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  <row Id="1" PostId="2" Score="4" Text="**if**? How dare you doubt the eventual success of....whatever we call this" CreationDate="2010-08-10T20:47:19.800" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="2" PostId="5" Score="0" Text="SU used to be even [more broad](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2009/07/super-user-semi-private-beta-begins/) than it is now; it was essentially a free-for-all place to shove all the non-programming questions that kept getting posted to SO" CreationDate="2010-08-10T21:01:37.053" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="3" PostId="6" Score="1" Text="It seems like we've done something wrong if two of the first three meta questions are on clarifying what's on-topic here; in theory we should've figured that out during [definition](http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/3924?phase=definition)" CreationDate="2010-08-10T21:50:43.890" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="4" PostId="4" Score="1" Text="Should have been clearer. I was thinking along the lines of @xenoterracide when you have networking questions which go beyond syntax." CreationDate="2010-08-11T01:21:42.913" UserId="122" />
  <row Id="5" PostId="2" Score="1" Text="I've only found two things certain in this life: death and taxes." CreationDate="2010-08-11T01:30:08.013" UserId="106" />
  <row Id="6" PostId="8" Score="1" Text="beardandsuspenders.com" CreationDate="2010-08-11T03:34:32.850" UserId="4" />
  <row Id="7" PostId="7" Score="1" Text="I don't think it's relevant to SO as it's not a programming question... it's closer to system administration because it's package management." CreationDate="2010-08-11T03:45:15.780" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="8" PostId="7" Score="5" Text="Also in a pre strawberry perl world, your standard cpan clients didn't work on windows perls. Active perl uses it's own thing. Making questions about the cpan client fairly *nix specific" CreationDate="2010-08-11T03:47:53.097" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="9" PostId="6" Score="0" Text="@Michael:  It would be nice.  However, the discussion features aren't all that good, and the primary focus is on getting twenty people to agree that five questions are on-topic and five are off." CreationDate="2010-08-11T12:12:17.900" UserId="289" />
  <row Id="11" PostId="16" Score="0" Text="What about MacOS specific things, like [this](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/10/what-does-the-mean-in-ls-l)?" CreationDate="2010-08-11T13:29:27.780" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="12" PostId="18" Score="0" Text="thanks for reply. I was checking on the home page :-).&#xA;RSS feed is tags basis. &#xA;Just learnt something new :-)" CreationDate="2010-08-11T14:06:57.987" UserId="57" />
  <row Id="13" PostId="16" Score="1" Text="@Michael: I would say that would fit, since its about an aspect of the Unix part of the system." CreationDate="2010-08-11T17:03:15.520" UserId="31" />
  <row Id="14" PostId="4" Score="0" Text="I don't agree it has 100% crossover with SU. I think it also has crossover with SF. SU and SF themselves have some crossover. If I have a Unix-ish question, I'm often not sure if I should ask it on SU or SF. But if it's a Unix-ish question, I know it will be adequate here. And according to some of the SE coordinators, [Crossover isn't necessarily a problem](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5837/how-to-handle-overlapping-subjects/5839#5839)." CreationDate="2010-08-11T17:36:34.640" UserId="4" />
  <row Id="15" PostId="16" Score="0" Text="@Michael: I asked that question specifically as a breaching experiment to see if OSX questions would be accepted here. The votes seem to say yes!" CreationDate="2010-08-11T19:19:44.480" UserId="59" />
  <row Id="17" PostId="25" Score="0" Text="Somehow i missed the same problem on the mothership (and the closed meta post there as well)." CreationDate="2010-08-11T20:52:10.623" UserId="311" />
  <row Id="18" PostId="24" Score="2" Text="I asked this question on [meta.stackoverflow jeff atwood said that the migration path wouldn't be defined until the sites were out of beta](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/60407/can-so-sf-su-questions-be-migrated-to-beta-sites)." CreationDate="2010-08-12T00:54:44.653" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="19" PostId="18" Score="0" Text="I don't think it was there when the site first went beta... I looked for it, and the browser usually shows an icon when it's there and it wasn't at first. Now it is." CreationDate="2010-08-12T01:03:01.283" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="20" PostId="27" Score="1" Text="So an acid test might be, *&quot;If you would get the same answer with ANY operating system, it's probably off topic?&quot;* Interesting." CreationDate="2010-08-13T18:26:42.113" UserId="337" />
  <row Id="21" PostId="16" Score="0" Text="+1, I agree entirely with that. Also, I believe that for the &quot;wouldn't fit&quot; category there is a StackExchange soon to be headed into beta for this: http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/151/apple" CreationDate="2010-08-13T20:02:09.853" UserDisplayName="user119" />
  <row Id="22" PostId="3" Score="0" Text="kerneloops.com is free, however, it might clash with kerneloops.org? Not posted separately as along very similar lines to your suggestion." CreationDate="2010-08-13T20:15:12.397" UserDisplayName="user119" />
  <row Id="23" PostId="35" Score="0" Text="Thanks for providing the background on this.  It's extremely informative, and I'm glad to know I'm not going against the spirit of your proposal!" CreationDate="2010-08-14T05:17:51.077" UserId="85" />
  <row Id="24" PostId="35" Score="0" Text="@Sandy: Thanks for noticing and fixing it!" CreationDate="2010-08-14T10:49:22.590" UserId="4" />
  <row Id="25" PostId="2" Score="4" Text="I suspect tax is the only universal constant. After all, we might invent immortality but *someone* will charge you for it..." CreationDate="2010-08-14T21:07:27.900" UserDisplayName="user119" />
  <row Id="26" PostId="27" Score="0" Text="TBH that subversion question probably would get the same answer with any operating system, because most answers will lead back to the official, free online, book." CreationDate="2010-08-16T04:21:40.530" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="27" PostId="2" Score="1" Text="Ooh ooh I know we could call it slashdot you know... /. hahah. (mod's self -2)" CreationDate="2010-08-16T05:32:20.503" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="28" PostId="2" Score="1" Text="how 'bout superuser? since windows doesn't have one... oh damn" CreationDate="2010-08-16T05:32:58.207" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="29" PostId="45" Score="0" Text="yeah I wouldn't mind 'how to install opengl' or I'm having problems getting it working. or maybe even where would I go to get started on an opengl effect plugin for kwin. You know seeing as how things like kwin (or compiz) are specific to *nix atm. But nothing about this question even suggests *nix usage" CreationDate="2010-08-16T23:10:47.893" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="30" PostId="37" Score="1" Text="Somewhat related, the question:  &quot;Why isn't mp3 support included by default on [my distro, most unixes]&quot; seems like it *would* be appropriate, and answerable." CreationDate="2010-08-16T23:41:08.477" UserId="298" />
  <row Id="31" PostId="37" Score="1" Text="yeah... there are all kinds of questions that are more... appropriate but similar to this one. Even the the fact that the question is open-ended on codecs isn't a problem. Problem is that it's not a real question. It's not really a problem that anyone is having." CreationDate="2010-08-17T02:54:45.207" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="32" PostId="3" Score="0" Text="I think their parked page suggests they want $9,930 for it?" CreationDate="2010-08-18T07:12:23.253" UserId="544" />
  <row Id="33" PostId="3" Score="0" Text="@fluteflute yeah something like that... which isn't super cheap but then again... If I recall SE is well funded so it shouldn't be impossible either." CreationDate="2010-08-19T11:25:50.703" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="34" PostId="2" Score="0" Text="@xenoterracide: might as well use dotslash..." CreationDate="2010-08-20T09:05:14.913" UserId="863" />
  <row Id="35" PostId="55" Score="0" Text="OK, thanks. I was not so sure when browsing through some questions." CreationDate="2010-08-20T18:18:27.943" UserId="690" />
  <row Id="36" PostId="7" Score="0" Text="I don't know why you don't think it's not a programming question. Perl is a programming language, installing packages to use in a language is a programming problem, and programming languages and their packages/libraries are tools used by programmers. That fits 3 of the 4 things that Stack Overflow covers." CreationDate="2010-08-20T20:00:16.037" UserId="391" />
  <row Id="37" PostId="49" Score="0" Text="unless it's mingw as it pertains to msys" CreationDate="2010-08-21T07:53:27.340" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="38" PostId="56" Score="0" Text="I know nothing about this process but it concerns me that he asked one of the questions that was [voted closed offtopic](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/519/where-to-start-to-learn-opengl-closed) sure not everyone is perfect but that particular question seems so obviously offtopic here... If he can't make sense of stuff like that should he be a moderator? this is in all due respect of course." CreationDate="2010-08-21T07:59:05.317" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="39" PostId="57" Score="0" Text="outside the tackiness of nominating yourself... I'll +1 for good answers a pretty high score already and having kept your nose clean." CreationDate="2010-08-21T08:07:18.870" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="40" PostId="56" Score="0" Text="@xeno If he had a history of off-topic posts I'd be concerned, but a one-time mistake early in the beta doesn't worry me, and his questions on the other sites seem entirely on-topic. If you know of him outside of this SE site, you know he's quite aware of what Linux is :). Also, referring 273 users, including the current top user, is rather impressive. (On an unrelated note, I'm not sure if he's seen this thread yet, so I pinged him on Twitter so we can make sure he actually wants to be a mod)" CreationDate="2010-08-21T13:06:44.233" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="41" PostId="60" Score="0" Text="It'd be better if you post the nominations separately; we need a way to vote on each person individually. You can skip me since I [self-nominated](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/52/moderator-nominations/57#57), but I appreciate it :)" CreationDate="2010-08-21T16:42:01.287" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="42" PostId="3" Score="0" Text="I really like the the KERNELPANIC.COM domain name... and I want to propose that the community setup an escrow account to raise the money to buy that domain. With roughly 1000 members in this community, the cost is about $9 each... less if more people join the community... Just my 2c." CreationDate="2010-08-21T18:38:20.950" UserId="244" />
  <row Id="43" PostId="3" Score="9" Text="@Jonas ... I don't donate money to for profit businesses ..." CreationDate="2010-08-21T20:36:54.893" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="44" PostId="60" Score="0" Text="I split the post into separate nominations, since it should probably happen sooner rather than later, and downvoted this so it'll be at the bottom of the list" CreationDate="2010-08-22T04:32:31.953" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="45" PostId="56" Score="1" Text="@Michael Good answers does not a good moderator make. The ability to recognize ontopic vs offtopic is much more important. But I'm not saying no, I'm just pointing at an instance where, imo, he lacked the judgement. I also notice that he didn't fully read this post when replying to it (one person per answer)." CreationDate="2010-08-22T07:59:40.977" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="46" PostId="26" Score="2" Text="I made a [proposal](http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/18782/developer-tools?referrer=-bI3FcA1Z2M1Ef1WF8pECg2) that would allow us to make questions like these more *offtopic* as there'd be a better place to go." CreationDate="2010-08-22T08:10:02.220" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="47" PostId="56" Score="0" Text="@xeno Yeah, that part (and not coming back to fix it yet) concerns me more" CreationDate="2010-08-22T16:22:39.490" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="48" PostId="65" Score="0" Text="Only problem I have with the 'is there a windows version test' is you can run many 'unix' things on windows, some without a 'cygwin.dll'" CreationDate="2010-08-22T17:40:56.537" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="49" PostId="65" Score="0" Text="Within the scope of a *nix server?" CreationDate="2010-08-22T19:04:54.570" UserId="160" />
  <row Id="50" PostId="63" Score="1" Text="It's not entirely clear to me how much work this entails.  I'd be happy to help as long as it's not taking more than 20 minutes or so a day." CreationDate="2010-08-23T19:41:48.133" UserId="85" />
  <row Id="51" PostId="63" Score="0" Text="@Sandy I'm sure it varies from site to site, but I think the main mod task is going to be handling posts flagged for mod attention, and I can't imagine that will be a lot with our ~100-150 active users" CreationDate="2010-08-23T20:19:27.307" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="52" PostId="63" Score="1" Text="Maybe we'll end up with thousands and thousands of active users!" CreationDate="2010-08-24T03:45:00.093" UserId="4" />
  <row Id="53" PostId="60" Score="0" Text="Maybe you should delete this post for clarity, now that you've split this topic into multiple posts." CreationDate="2010-08-24T03:46:54.320" UserId="4" />
  <row Id="54" PostId="7" Score="0" Text="@Thomas &quot;installing packages to use in a language is a programming problem&quot; -- no, it's not. There's no programming involved, and installing stuff doesn't mean you're a programmer. Entire applications are distributed via CPAN." CreationDate="2010-08-25T10:36:13.720" UserId="1215" />
  <row Id="55" PostId="71" Score="1" Text="The problem is that a question about the best 2010 laptops will be outdated and useless in a year or so." CreationDate="2010-08-25T10:55:39.060" UserId="31" />
  <row Id="56" PostId="57" Score="0" Text="My impression of Michael Mrozek from SO (where I'm also quite active) is very positive.  (IMHO, FWIW, YMMV, IANAL, etc.)" CreationDate="2010-08-25T13:55:01.070" UserId="289" />
  <row Id="57" PostId="63" Score="0" Text="Maybe we'll need more than three moderators.  I certainly hope so, eventually." CreationDate="2010-08-25T13:55:34.970" UserId="289" />
  <row Id="58" PostId="63" Score="0" Text="Sandy has been at least somewhat active on meta, which I approve of for moderator." CreationDate="2010-08-25T14:01:20.200" UserId="289" />
  <row Id="59" PostId="63" Score="0" Text="@David Probably, but we can always elect more; SO has done it a few times. And these are just pro tem moderators, which is another reason (@Sandy) not to be worried about the workload; it's very temporary" CreationDate="2010-08-25T14:06:37.857" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="60" PostId="71" Score="4" Text="Not really, since Linux is often used to revitalize old hardware. It would be helpful as long as you could tell when your hardware was manufactured." CreationDate="2010-08-25T20:39:58.590" UserId="328" />
  <row Id="61" PostId="16" Score="3" Text="I'd expect Gnome or KDE to be considered on topic here; why not the Mac UI?" CreationDate="2010-08-25T21:53:41.733" UserId="289" />
  <row Id="62" PostId="71" Score="3" Text="@KeithB I disagree once hardware works on Linux it tends to continue to work." CreationDate="2010-08-25T22:02:18.060" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="63" PostId="68" Score="0" Text="This might have to be asked on meta.SO infact it may already have been.... idk... although I upvoted it's probably not right for here." CreationDate="2010-08-25T22:17:43.140" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="64" PostId="62" Score="0" Text="I can't vote on this post (since I posted it while splitting Miguel's post), but jacksonh hasn't been on the main site in a week and meta in two weeks, so he's probably not interested" CreationDate="2010-08-27T18:23:26.227" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="65" PostId="3" Score="1" Text="Like the name a lot! Would fit nicely with &quot;StackOverflow&quot; and &quot;ServerFault&quot;" CreationDate="2010-08-30T03:25:14.280" UserId="1290" />
  <row Id="66" PostId="51" Score="0" Text="This is my favorite." CreationDate="2010-08-30T13:10:01.993" UserId="1253" />
  <row Id="67" PostId="62" Score="0" Text="And then someone upvoted his nomination and downvoted all the others. That's....sporting" CreationDate="2010-08-30T15:12:22.380" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="68" PostId="57" Score="1" Text="@xenoterracide: There's nothing &quot;tacky&quot; about expressing an interest in helping out (i.e. nominating yourself). It's recommended and actually quite helpful. Thanks @Michael!" CreationDate="2010-09-01T01:49:11.777" UserId="337" />
  <row Id="69" PostId="4" Score="1" Text="@Stefan:  Writing shell or Perl scripts for system administration could easily belong here or on Stack Overflow or both.  There's a lot of overlap." CreationDate="2010-09-02T16:27:21.743" UserId="289" />
  <row Id="70" PostId="27" Score="2" Text="I'm active on SO, and on many questions I ask myself if the answers would be significantly different on a SO-like site for accountants.  If the answer is &quot;no&quot;, I vote to close." CreationDate="2010-09-02T16:30:33.873" UserId="289" />
  <row Id="71" PostId="82" Score="0" Text="Oh, wow; for some reason I thought you were already nominated. Well, upvote for you, although I suspect it's immaterial since (as you said) I think he's already doing/done with the selection" CreationDate="2010-09-02T21:48:28.733" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="72" PostId="83" Score="1" Text="Duplicate of [this one](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/52/moderator-nominations/82#82)" CreationDate="2010-09-03T14:13:52.510" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="73" PostId="85" Score="0" Text="can we migrate questions?" CreationDate="2010-09-03T18:25:49.587" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="74" PostId="85" Score="0" Text="@xenoterracide: To meta, yes. To other sites, no; not while the site is in beta." CreationDate="2010-09-03T19:33:29.273" UserId="337" />
  <row Id="75" PostId="85" Score="0" Text="K. Can anyone do that? or should we just close them as offtopic?" CreationDate="2010-09-03T19:49:10.530" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="76" PostId="25" Score="0" Text="This was [posted on meta again](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/63307/blockquote-glitch-in-editor-in-chrome-6) yesterday, so I'm going to close it here" CreationDate="2010-09-04T07:24:46.303" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="77" PostId="85" Score="0" Text="Will moderators and people with adequate rep be able to migrate questions anywhere other than beta?  Or should I ask this on MSO?" CreationDate="2010-09-04T16:38:33.797" UserId="289" />
  <row Id="78" PostId="85" Score="0" Text="@David it seems atm not until the site is out of beta." CreationDate="2010-09-04T18:23:05.060" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="79" PostId="97" Score="7" Text="this site is called &quot;unix&quot; not &quot;not windows&quot;, let that be the litmus test, does it involve, or run on a unix? then it must be unix. Are there better places to ask? maybe, but that depends." CreationDate="2010-09-04T21:53:42.930" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="80" PostId="95" Score="4" Text="I don't think we should bother migrating people with the *ubuntu* tag. I've tagged questions with that once I realize it's a ubuntu system. Those people came here for help, and not to ubuntu SE. I don't think we should essentially turn them away just because the rest of the ubuntu community thinks they belong elsewhere." CreationDate="2010-09-04T23:36:08.590" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="81" PostId="95" Score="1" Text="@xeno Well, at the same time I want to encourage them (the Ubuntu SE) to send non-Ubuntu questions our way, and I'm not sure how well that'll work if we're hoarding questions that belong on their site" CreationDate="2010-09-05T02:07:10.853" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="82" PostId="100" Score="1" Text="The problem with this thought is it's not obvious. how to back up bookmarks. if I recall correctly (maybe not in current FF) there's a bookmarks file in the ~/.mozilla folder cp that to somewhere else... sounds unixy to me. However there are other less unixy approaches like using foxmarks. What I'm trying to say is they can ask, but that doesn't mean we can't encourage them to get better answers elsewhere. We can't merge with ubuntu, that vote was cast, it's a non issue, imo." CreationDate="2010-09-05T05:14:32.330" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="83" PostId="100" Score="3" Text="I'd also like to mention that the center area in your circles is growing, due to much porting efforts linux to windows and windows to linux. So what to do with that? I've started realizing that a large portion of my unix apps run on windows, not enough for me to be comfortable there, and it takes too long to install them there. But they do run there, konversation, smplayer, I've heard amarok, git, zsh, wget. I've gotten IE6 and 7 working on my linux box, and several video games. Recently purchased some native games. Mplayer runs on windows, should we close my mplayer question?" CreationDate="2010-09-05T05:18:18.850" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="84" PostId="100" Score="0" Text="I drew pretty diagrams to show why I feel how I do" CreationDate="2010-09-05T13:49:17.470" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="85" PostId="97" Score="4" Text="I'll go with most of what you said, but I really don't buy into the philosophy that we should have more questions just to have more questions. Linux questions are on-topic on SU, but I never go there, because SU also covers every other possible use of hardware and software, and I don't feel like wading through all that to find the questions that actually interest me. If our circle gets wide enough that we're accepting questions like &quot;how do I change my proxy in Internet Explorer&quot; just because it's possible to run IE in Wine, I'm not going to very interested in this site" CreationDate="2010-09-05T16:48:30.380" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="86" PostId="97" Score="0" Text="As for the part about the Ubuntu SE, I don't think (but I'm just guessing) that most users are consciously thinking &quot;hmm, should I post this on Ubuntu or on Unix?&quot;; I think it's very likely they don't even realize both exist. The odds of that will increase over time, as more people find the sites through Google or promotional links instead of through Area 51. I think us (&quot;us&quot;) choosing not to merge but choosing to each allow questions on our sites that clearly belong on the other is about the worst way we could handle it; we either need to merge or we need to keep the sites separate" CreationDate="2010-09-05T16:51:52.650" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="87" PostId="97" Score="0" Text="@Michael it's not a philosophy of more questions for more questions. It's a philosophy of not saying something isn't 'unix' just because it runs on a non unix platform." CreationDate="2010-09-05T18:43:10.400" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="88" PostId="97" Score="0" Text="@Michael just an FYI part of the reason I feel this way is because I wast starting to feel like there was a question &quot;Is this unix enough&quot; all the time... it's much easier for us to say &quot;If it works on unix it's unix enough, but there's might be a better place to ask&quot;" CreationDate="2010-09-05T18:53:01.440" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="89" PostId="97" Score="0" Text="@Michael my problem with migrating to ubuntu, is that it's going to be hard to figure out what to migrate which way. you shouldn't just do it by tag. Example: I tagged a networking question 'ubuntu' because I know networking scripts are some what distro specific. but tbh I also know that that question may only be specific to debian based distro's, not being a debibuntu user it's hard for me to judge. Technically everything on ubuntu is ontopic here... it will probably be hard to judge what's general enough." CreationDate="2010-09-05T19:00:30.447" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="90" PostId="97" Score="0" Text="@xeno Right, I didn't mean to imply all questions tagged [ubuntu] belong on the other site. Questions like [this](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/1176/which-steps-i-have-to-follow-to-configure-ubuntu-server-with-mac-and-windows-work) and [this](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/767/what-is-the-real-difference-between-apt-get-and-aptitude-how-about-wajig) seem like they definitely do though; they're Ubuntu-specific" CreationDate="2010-09-05T19:31:29.917" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="91" PostId="97" Score="0" Text="@Michael I just read both of those question. One would apply to all debian based distro's (except for the bonus part, which I don't know)  and the other seems largely pointed at a samba question and would apply to any linux exactly the same. This is why I don't want to do this, it's too hard for us to tell what should be migrated." CreationDate="2010-09-05T20:35:35.300" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="92" PostId="97" Score="0" Text="@xeno Well, if you're going to say Debian stuff belongs here instead of on Ubuntu, that's probably 90% of their questions. I know you're really anti-separation, but if a majority of possible questions are accepted on both sides this is going to get really confusing" CreationDate="2010-09-05T21:12:19.010" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="93" PostId="94" Score="5" Text="We are members of the Linux/Unix community. We also participate here. However, this is a matter of communities, not the unwillingness to work together. To keep two sites is a matter of addition not division. Hopefully, the opponent of two sites will understand this one day" CreationDate="2010-09-05T21:59:35.207" UserId="5" />
  <row Id="94" PostId="97" Score="1" Text="I talked to Robert about getting migration options early and he said the code isn't written yet, so the discussion is kind of moot anyway -- I was ok with moving Ubuntu questions to their SE, but closing Ubuntu questions as off-topic definitely isn't a good idea" CreationDate="2010-09-06T07:38:10.190" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="95" PostId="107" Score="0" Text="The question referred to now has 4 down votes. It doesn't appear on the top questions lists (front page) but does appear on the [all questions lists](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions)." CreationDate="2010-09-06T21:52:37.630" UserId="1299" />
  <row Id="96" PostId="107" Score="0" Text="@moberley Well, naturally, but Steven's concern was about the front page. Even closed questions appear on the all questions list, it would need to be deleted to hide it completely" CreationDate="2010-09-06T23:54:27.283" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="97" PostId="107" Score="0" Text="Sorry, my intention was to point out that the question had received the down votes you mentioned and was now only visible on the all questions page. I see that I could have expressed that better." CreationDate="2010-09-07T02:31:18.820" UserId="1299" />
  <row Id="98" PostId="111" Score="1" Text="+1, lol... it seems one user in particular likes to overtag" CreationDate="2010-09-07T06:01:43.963" UserId="1327" />
  <row Id="99" PostId="113" Score="0" Text="No I am on a Windows PC using Google Chrome browser (yes OK shoot me)." CreationDate="2010-09-07T06:55:01.160" UserDisplayName="Kinopiko" />
  <row Id="100" PostId="100" Score="2" Text="I really, really want to avoid &quot;excepts&quot; in what we consider on topic.  I don't want this to be the site for Linux and Unix questions except for Ubuntu and this thing and that thing." CreationDate="2010-09-07T20:20:54.623" UserId="289" />
  <row Id="101" PostId="97" Score="0" Text="@Michael .... since it keeps coming up... maybe you could make a meta announcement that the code to migrate isn't written yet, since I'm sure you know more than I at this point." CreationDate="2010-09-08T05:36:43.937" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="102" PostId="111" Score="1" Text="I remove them if I think they are not, but I'll be honest that I don't have enough BSD, etc, experience to be sure." CreationDate="2010-09-08T05:43:58.477" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="103" PostId="107" Score="0" Text="I'm not really interested in having 'politics' questions here. I don't think they serve much purpose, would have anything against me closing it?" CreationDate="2010-09-08T05:54:34.770" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="104" PostId="115" Score="0" Text="well.. http://serverfault.com/questions/124578/what-is-your-favorite-tn3270-client, but i was just really wondering which SE site would be most appropiate to ask that kindof question? ( maybe superuser ? )" CreationDate="2010-09-08T07:55:24.280" UserId="1327" />
  <row Id="105" PostId="111" Score="0" Text="mm... maybe this issue will resolve itself by social pressures as unix SE matures?" CreationDate="2010-09-08T07:58:17.990" UserId="1327" />
  <row Id="106" PostId="107" Score="0" Text="@xeno No, if you think a question should be closed go for it. It's got two close votes now anyway, so a couple people agree" CreationDate="2010-09-08T14:12:19.550" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="107" PostId="115" Score="1" Text="@Stefan well the problem here is that you aren't really asking a question... that SF question is looking for 'good monospaced fonts' I might allow it if it was worded 'Good dark theme for KDE' with a note to 'please include screenshots'. But just 'show off your de' simply seems like &quot;not a real question&quot;" CreationDate="2010-09-08T17:03:49.240" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="108" PostId="115" Score="1" Text="@Stefan I do not think there is a SE site that allows you to say &quot;show off your stuff&quot; I think a question worded the way you've worded this will be closed anywhere. However, I might be wrong... there is the whole, cli tricks thread, that I don't particularly agree with, but ignore." CreationDate="2010-09-08T17:21:59.920" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="109" PostId="116" Score="0" Text="It's supposed to pop up then, but it shouldn't happen every time you interact with the site" CreationDate="2010-09-08T21:17:26.377" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="110" PostId="119" Score="2" Text="@George could you do one of these with the BSD Daemon too? and maybe the OpenBSD Fish" CreationDate="2010-09-08T22:42:06.340" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="111" PostId="119" Score="2" Text="@George also maybe have the sign say &quot;Humans and Penguins only.&quot;" CreationDate="2010-09-08T22:47:22.630" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="112" PostId="116" Score="0" Text="@Michael I know I was just saying it because it was my only idea." CreationDate="2010-09-08T22:48:56.170" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="113" PostId="119" Score="2" Text="Ideally the sign would show the captcha, but I don't think recaptcha is going to support that :)" CreationDate="2010-09-09T00:01:29.517" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="114" PostId="122" Score="1" Text="The guy second from the left is the Java mascot apparently." CreationDate="2010-09-09T01:56:02.943" UserId="1049" />
  <row Id="115" PostId="119" Score="0" Text="@xeno: Maybe, if you can find a free Blender model for them." CreationDate="2010-09-09T01:57:51.983" UserId="1049" />
  <row Id="116" PostId="122" Score="3" Text="I like it except for Duke; I have no idea what he's doing in this picture" CreationDate="2010-09-09T04:38:29.177" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="117" PostId="122" Score="1" Text="*One of these things is not like the others, One of these things just doesn't belong, Can you tell which thing is not like the others By the time I finish my song?*" CreationDate="2010-09-09T05:07:50.253" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="118" PostId="122" Score="0" Text="@Michael could probably get someone to remove Duke, if no one volunteers and we have an idea what we'd use it for... I'm sure I can get a friend to do it." CreationDate="2010-09-09T05:14:23.657" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="119" PostId="122" Score="0" Text="Someone should make a cartoon with blender using these characters... I'd watch it :P, hell I'd pay for it." CreationDate="2010-09-09T05:15:47.773" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="120" PostId="122" Score="1" Text="Here's an [edited version](http://i.imgur.com/3qqOn.png). I moved Puffy left, but we could also [move Beastie right](http://i.imgur.com/uVOQS.png) to fill the space" CreationDate="2010-09-10T00:33:39.907" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="121" PostId="122" Score="0" Text="@Michael that's great... now if only we could come up with something to use it for" CreationDate="2010-09-10T03:03:16.810" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="122" PostId="122" Score="0" Text="@xeno I think this could be turned into a decent [404 image](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/120/404-image-nominations)" CreationDate="2010-09-10T05:43:04.100" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="123" PostId="125" Score="0" Text="Nice diagram, but it took me a good 10 minutes to find arch.." CreationDate="2010-09-12T12:08:09.380" UserId="1327" />
  <row Id="124" PostId="128" Score="0" Text="I don't think much more work" CreationDate="2010-09-12T12:13:05.000" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="125" PostId="125" Score="0" Text="@Stefan yeah, tbh I have an idea for most of them off the top of my head. however... you could use your browser search to find it ;) Arch is generally considered a -base distro IMO, I can't think of who their upstream would be." CreationDate="2010-09-12T12:15:56.780" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="126" PostId="125" Score="0" Text="My general rule of thumb would be... does this distro have an upstream distro and is it relevant to them as well." CreationDate="2010-09-12T12:17:47.513" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="127" PostId="127" Score="1" Text="I like it... but... would we have a copyright problem on our hands?" CreationDate="2010-09-12T12:30:48.810" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="128" PostId="122" Score="0" Text="@Michael maybe you should submit it to that ;)" CreationDate="2010-09-12T12:31:34.487" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="129" PostId="129" Score="0" Text="odd... no problem here... but my computer is not stone age... browser?" CreationDate="2010-09-12T13:26:27.460" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="130" PostId="128" Score="0" Text="On the contrary, it's going to be more work for *you* guys; the ability to retag comes at 200 reputation :). But xeno is right, they really do need to be kept separate" CreationDate="2010-09-12T16:00:35.920" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="131" PostId="129" Score="1" Text="I've seen this at random on all the SE sites, even trilogy ones; do you get it regularly here and never anywhere else?" CreationDate="2010-09-12T16:10:23.580" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="132" PostId="133" Score="0" Text="it depends... there may be a difference... sabayon has its own packages in some cases. I was just throwing out some examples. I suppose this is as much of a question do we tag with both sabayon and gentoo? or just tag based on what the user is using." CreationDate="2010-09-12T17:17:18.100" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="133" PostId="133" Score="0" Text="There will certainly be cases (like things that apply to debian) apply to 100 other distro's" CreationDate="2010-09-12T17:18:00.687" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="134" PostId="131" Score="0" Text="Well I'm not thinking even so much about *many right answers* as I am the ability to improve individual answers, and the question. So far we've had 2 backup scenario's there are more... I suppose the real question is should we have only 1 backup Q&amp;A? I'm thinking of doing it more to limit the amount that the same people have to answer." CreationDate="2010-09-12T17:41:13.087" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="136" PostId="133" Score="0" Text="I suppose one of my thoughts (fears?) is that people will watch the [ubuntu] tag when they could/should be watching [debian] do you think that will not be a problem?" CreationDate="2010-09-12T17:48:41.553" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="137" PostId="129" Score="0" Text="@micheal, I'm only active on SO and Unix SE so I can't comment about other SE sites. And I haven't had any problems elsewhere on the web" CreationDate="2010-09-12T19:44:28.093" UserId="1327" />
  <row Id="138" PostId="129" Score="1" Text="@xeno, latest Firefox, added my specs to the question" CreationDate="2010-09-12T19:48:11.917" UserId="1327" />
  <row Id="139" PostId="119" Score="1" Text="@xenoterracide: &quot;Humans, Penguins, Fish, Platypus and Daemons only&quot;" CreationDate="2010-09-12T20:36:05.890" UserId="305" />
  <row Id="140" PostId="2" Score="0" Text="I have one for Ubuntu SE *unu.com* it's an acronym for *Ubuntu's Not Unix*. haha" CreationDate="2010-09-12T20:38:38.380" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="141" PostId="127" Score="0" Text="SO uses one from Flight of the Concords http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bgY8lQMFy4" CreationDate="2010-09-12T20:46:18.413" UserId="1327" />
  <row Id="143" PostId="119" Score="0" Text="@Maciej we should take that other picture I found and do something like that." CreationDate="2010-09-12T20:49:30.440" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="144" PostId="134" Score="1" Text="Ok this would be even better if we could have these guys dressed like it's a black tie event, and we added a *bearded human*." CreationDate="2010-09-12T20:56:19.170" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="145" PostId="132" Score="3" Text="I like the version here: http://i.imgur.com/uVOQS.png I think it makes no sense to include the java mascot Duke here ;-)" CreationDate="2010-09-12T23:34:45.883" UserId="1339" />
  <row Id="146" PostId="132" Score="1" Text="@echox Yeah, I like that one the most too, although the editing was rather poor and should probably be redone if we actually use this for something" CreationDate="2010-09-12T23:58:49.703" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="147" PostId="121" Score="3" Text="Too much Linux, not enough Unix." CreationDate="2010-09-14T19:33:45.960" UserId="160" />
  <row Id="148" PostId="118" Score="0" Text="An image with a Zombie might be appropriate here. &quot;NO ZOMBIES!&quot;." CreationDate="2010-09-15T00:55:59.080" UserId="4" />
  <row Id="149" PostId="137" Score="0" Text="++ maybe featured tag this question too so people see it. I think they need a different UI though. For now I'd just like migrate to the trilogy sites." CreationDate="2010-09-16T02:44:01.123" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="150" PostId="137" Score="0" Text="@xeno If it comes up again I'll feature it. And yeah, I imagine they'll come up with a new way to handle the migration options. I think they're only going to add migration options for somewhat similar sites (so we won't have a migration option for Cooking or Bicycles, since it's unlikely people will post those questions here), and I picture it looking something like [this](http://mrozekma.com/so-mock-se-close.png) (totally made up though, it may be nothing like that)" CreationDate="2010-09-16T06:29:13.983" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="156" PostId="141" Score="4" Text="Save on bandwidth... we could just do this in html... and it'd still be funny" CreationDate="2010-09-17T05:01:37.827" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="157" PostId="144" Score="0" Text="That's a good distinction. &quot;How do I do X in bash?&quot; I would leave here, as very often a bash script is not the best way (you can usually just chain utils together to pull it off). &quot;How do I do X in a bash script?&quot; I consider programming, but am willing to leave here if people want" CreationDate="2010-09-17T17:42:41.097" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="158" PostId="144" Score="0" Text="Also, I suspect you meant `bash` the first time you said `java` in the second paragraph :)" CreationDate="2010-09-17T17:43:39.383" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="159" PostId="144" Score="0" Text="@Michael Mrozek: changed it ;)" CreationDate="2010-09-17T20:57:57.007" UserId="1794" />
  <row Id="160" PostId="144" Score="1" Text="@krissi I assume by &quot;other scripting languages&quot; you mean *non unix shell* because technically `zsh`, etc, is another scripting language." CreationDate="2010-09-18T19:24:49.683" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="161" PostId="144" Score="0" Text="@xenoterracide: Yes, I used `bash` as synonym for all these unix shell languages ;)" CreationDate="2010-09-18T19:53:23.947" UserId="1794" />
  <row Id="162" PostId="95" Score="4" Text="On the other side, it's not like a ubuntu question doesn't belong here. And implicitly by moving the question on them, you're telling the person who asked the question that &quot;we don't want it&quot;. So I'd vote against moving questions for political reasons, and reserve that for when someone actually asks a question in the wrong place." CreationDate="2010-09-20T05:13:18.487" UserId="455" />
  <row Id="164" PostId="121" Score="1" Text="@gvkv: Look closer at the picture... there's Unix stuff there :)" CreationDate="2010-09-24T04:21:49.070" UserId="1049" />
  <row Id="165" PostId="3" Score="0" Text="Incredibly brilliant name. $10k seems achievable." CreationDate="2010-09-25T11:09:35.720" UserId="1982" />
  <row Id="166" PostId="151" Score="1" Text="Ah. Well, FWIW, it's a great design for USE, too. :-) I tend to associate \*nix with engineering and science, you see (because I'm that old), and this graph paper, pencil motif just works perfectly." CreationDate="2010-09-25T15:48:42.480" UserId="1982" />
  <row Id="167" PostId="3" Score="0" Text="@TJCrowder And rather fitting, given the pseudo-mod rep limit on the non-beta sites :)" CreationDate="2010-09-26T08:51:17.520" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="168" PostId="2" Score="0" Text="@xeno Your bitterness is showing again :)" CreationDate="2010-09-26T08:52:53.553" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="169" PostId="101" Score="0" Text="Is there any way you could update this with more recent numbers?  I get the impression that questions have been slowing down significantly." CreationDate="2010-09-26T16:46:34.967" UserId="1207" />
  <row Id="170" PostId="101" Score="1" Text="@Steven I posted an alarming number of graphs on [a new meta post](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/154/our-stats-so-far-compared-to-the-other-se-betas)" CreationDate="2010-09-27T00:15:01.167" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="171" PostId="101" Score="0" Text="That link seems to be broken. I'll search around for the post." CreationDate="2010-09-27T05:44:03.637" UserId="1207" />
  <row Id="172" PostId="101" Score="0" Text="@Steven It is temporarily, sorry; I forgot I'd commented here. I included some analytics information about our progress over time, and there was a question amongst the SE mods if I was allowed to release it, so I deleted the post temporarily. I'm waiting for feedback from the SO team, but I'm fairly confident it'll be fine, so I'll undelete it tomorrow once I hear back from them" CreationDate="2010-09-27T08:53:18.853" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="173" PostId="101" Score="0" Text="@Steven It turns out we're not supposed to release the analytics information yet, but I posted updated comparison graphs [here](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/154/our-stats-so-far-compared-to-the-other-se-betas). Sorry for the delay" CreationDate="2010-09-29T18:50:30.483" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="174" PostId="154" Score="5" Text="Can I ask a silly question? What does 'normalized' mean?" CreationDate="2010-09-30T03:55:49.160" UserId="4" />
  <row Id="175" PostId="154" Score="0" Text="@Stefan according to the old post, normalized means &quot;accounted for age&quot;" CreationDate="2010-09-30T06:22:36.930" UserId="250" />
  <row Id="176" PostId="154" Score="0" Text="It's possible I completely misused the term, when I generated the charts originally I didn't intend to share them, I was just curious. It's the values from the non-normalized chart divided by the number of days the site has been in beta" CreationDate="2010-09-30T14:07:49.470" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="177" PostId="156" Score="0" Text="I think the &quot;Take the great questions and especially answers you find and share them&quot; works well. Posting &quot;Check out this website&quot; is probably considered rude, but &quot;Check out this really interesting question&quot; isn't (and you get a [badge](http://unix.stackexchange.com/badges/54/announcer), so that's fun). The same applies to Twitter, Reddit, etc.; links to specific questions are highly effective" CreationDate="2010-09-30T15:46:02.883" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="179" PostId="158" Score="1" Text="+1: nothing to add" CreationDate="2010-10-01T09:43:37.450" UserId="1339" />
  <row Id="180" PostId="161" Score="0" Text="Our SE subdomain will continue to point to us (at least for a while) when/if we get a new domain, but assuming we do ever get our own domain we should have a choice ready" CreationDate="2010-10-03T03:17:08.853" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="181" PostId="158" Score="0" Text="I was googling for tablets when I stumbled across this link: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/53132/mouse-for-programmer. That was about the same time as I made this request. Which is why I used that example. So now while you extract your foot from your mouth, I will be replying to the rest of your response." CreationDate="2010-10-03T03:42:50.980" UserId="1942" />
  <row Id="185" PostId="158" Score="0" Text="@Handy: That question is from the early days of SO (just slightly before it left private beta). The [standards for acceptable questions were different back then](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/53528/dealing-with-very-old-off-topic-questions/53531#53531). Some of these old posts have been “grandfathered” into the modern system even though they go against modern standards." CreationDate="2010-10-03T08:09:47.983" UserId="1107" />
  <row Id="186" PostId="161" Score="0" Text="@MichaelMrozek I posted it to see how it ranks against the other available suggestions. It is certainly better than the names I personally suggested (now deleted)." CreationDate="2010-10-03T08:18:10.150" UserId="1299" />
  <row Id="187" PostId="163" Score="1" Text="I weirdly like `hashbang.com`, but it's [not available](http://www.whois.net/whois/hashbang.com). Interestingly, it resolves to 127.0.0.1, so you can use it as a localhost substitute; I'm not sure why they did that" CreationDate="2010-10-05T18:21:32.070" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="188" PostId="164" Score="1" Text="I think that &quot;whether we should allow questions about 'a good application that does X'&quot; is rather a topic for meta.unix" CreationDate="2010-10-05T14:48:20.093" UserId="274" />
  <row Id="189" PostId="164" Score="0" Text="but this is not &quot;whether we should allow questions about 'a good application that does X'&quot;, is it? it is &quot;Where can I find Software for Unix/Linux that does X?&quot;" CreationDate="2010-10-05T15:01:04.880" UserDisplayName="user601" />
  <row Id="190" PostId="164" Score="0" Text="Definitely meta.  I'd vote to close this and address it there." CreationDate="2010-10-05T15:11:28.803" UserId="1397" />
  <row Id="191" PostId="164" Score="0" Text="I'd give you the second part of the question, but how is the first part meta?" CreationDate="2010-10-05T15:14:24.417" UserDisplayName="user601" />
  <row Id="192" PostId="164" Score="0" Text="Well, the answer to the meta question of whether or not such a question is permitted would guide the permissability of the question.  I think that if we don't want such a question, linking to a question like this as a duplicate isn't the way to do it; just have moderators close the question as out-of-scope.  And anyway this entire discussion in the comments is, itself, meta." CreationDate="2010-10-05T18:19:14.453" UserId="1397" />
  <row Id="193" PostId="164" Score="0" Text="@hop The question &quot;where is a catalog of Linux applications&quot; is a legitimate one; but then you explicitly suggest that this be used for answering all questions of a certain type: this is a policy discussion that belongs in meta.  I suggest you rephrase this question's text and open a new one in meta." CreationDate="2010-10-05T18:30:06.720" UserId="274" />
  <row Id="194" PostId="164" Score="0" Text="@Riccardo: you can discuss this on meta all you want, and you can change this question all you want (that's why I marked it wiki). fact remains: the original question is legitimate. fact other remains: i will not touch meta with a two meter pole." CreationDate="2010-10-05T18:33:45.417" UserDisplayName="user601" />
  <row Id="195" PostId="164" Score="0" Text="The basic question has merit though. ​⇒ http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/2787/where-can-i-find-software-for-unix-linux-that-does-x" CreationDate="2010-10-05T19:27:24.987" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="196" PostId="163" Score="0" Text="That is really weird.  It's not occupied. Can't find anything about it on google. but some guy in San Fransisco owns it. May be he would be willing to sell for less than the $10,000 for the kernelpanic.com" CreationDate="2010-10-05T19:30:12.940" UserId="2049" />
  <row Id="200" PostId="164" Score="0" Text="This is so stupid." CreationDate="2010-10-05T20:15:44.087" UserDisplayName="user601" />
  <row Id="201" PostId="167" Score="3" Text="+1 Everybody knows how to google for software; I think that asking for software recommendations here is really asking for advice and comparison among several competing software candidates." CreationDate="2010-10-05T21:34:10.853" UserId="274" />
  <row Id="202" PostId="164" Score="0" Text="I deleted the parent version of this post to try and avoid confusion; there's now one [parent post](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/2787/where-can-i-find-software-for-unix-linux-that-does-x) about finding software, and this meta post. I would clear the migration history but that would make the comments here completely nonsensical, but the way merging works the migration link below *should* lead non-[pseudo]mods to the reposted question" CreationDate="2010-10-05T21:46:39.513" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="203" PostId="169" Score="1" Text="There's a big difference between `[unix]` and `[linux]`: the latter carries some information, but on this site the former doesn't. (Hmmm, has it been decided whether Android kernel questions are on-topic here? They would be Linux without being unix, but I don't think this justified tagging 99.999% of the questions with `[unix]`.)" CreationDate="2010-10-06T00:07:47.167" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="204" PostId="169" Score="1" Text="@Gilles If you mean &quot;all [linux] questions are automatically [unix]&quot;, my intention was that [unix] would mean all unix questions that *don't* apply to [linux]" CreationDate="2010-10-06T00:12:04.183" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="205" PostId="169" Score="0" Text="By the way, automatically adding `[linux]` to Linux distribution tags wouldn't work absolutely always, e.g., `[debian]` could be Debian GNU/kFreeBSD." CreationDate="2010-10-06T00:15:06.047" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="206" PostId="169" Score="2" Text="@Michael: I don't understand this — why do we need a tag to mean not-Linux, and how on earth are people supposed to guess that that's what `[unix]` means? Is there a tag for not-FreeBSD, not-OSX, not-Solaris, etc.?" CreationDate="2010-10-06T00:18:28.607" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="207" PostId="169" Score="0" Text="@Gilles I'm explaining what I think when I see those tags. To me [linux] means &quot;this question is about linux only, and doesn't apply to unix&quot;, and [unix] means &quot;this question is about unix only, and doesn't apply to linux&quot;. If it applies to neither, it shouldn't be on this site. If it applies to both, there's really no need to tag it at all. Maybe that's not what those tags *should* mean, but that's what I would expect them to mean" CreationDate="2010-10-06T00:41:59.793" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="208" PostId="166" Score="1" Text="I think &quot;What web browser is better?&quot; isn't a correct question to ask (because there is no logically correct questions as most of them have their strengths and weaknesses), but, for example, &quot;What are pros and cons of Firefox and Chrome compared?&quot; or &quot;Why should I use ZSH instead of Bash, what are its killer-features?&quot; are." CreationDate="2010-10-06T03:39:18.060" UserId="2119" />
  <row Id="209" PostId="169" Score="0" Text="Oh, I think I see: do you (and Stefan) restrict “Unix” to systems derived from the AT&amp;T or BSD code bases, as opposed to Linux? I never understood why people made this distinction (and until now I've only seen it made by trolls or clueless people, but clearly you're neither). I could understand a Unix/BSD/Linux distinction, though the branded-Unix codebases have diverged enough to make it of little use, but I don't see a reason to single Linux out." CreationDate="2010-10-06T18:42:12.817" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="210" PostId="171" Score="0" Text="see my comments on [Michael's answer](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/168/tags-for-variant-agnostic-questions/169#169). To address your proposal, I don't think preventing a combination of two tags is ever justified: interoperability questions should have both tags." CreationDate="2010-10-06T18:43:52.727" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="211" PostId="171" Score="0" Text="Yes, the proposal was made without thinking it all the way through :)" CreationDate="2010-10-06T19:59:00.833" UserId="1327" />
  <row Id="212" PostId="173" Score="0" Text="anything NOT to do? How do you feel about clarifying titles?" CreationDate="2010-10-06T20:02:32.067" UserId="1327" />
  <row Id="213" PostId="173" Score="1" Text="I think clarifying titles as another worthwhile editing task.  In terms of what not to do, I would basically avoid changing the content of the question or answers unless they are community wikis." CreationDate="2010-10-06T22:57:08.820" UserId="1207" />
  <row Id="214" PostId="171" Score="0" Text="It comes down to how people use tags, and I'm not a good person to ask since I generally *don't* use tags much. If the primary usages of tags are for interesting/ignored questions and for searching (which I assume is the case), then a post that has anything to do with unix should probably be tagged unix and likewise with linux. In that case it's essentially the opposite of my proposal -- every question should be required to have either [linux] or [unix], since by the definition of off-topic here it needs to be at least one. (Also, did you just refer to me as &quot;the Micheal&quot;? :) )" CreationDate="2010-10-07T03:46:11.443" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="215" PostId="173" Score="0" Text="I'm fine with all of those things; I'll rewrite an entire question if it's poorly written, as long as I think I'm keeping the author's intent the same. I'm much more hesitant to change content, as I'm always afraid of introducing a mistake inadvertently, but as long as you're quite certain your change is accurate it's probably fine" CreationDate="2010-10-07T03:57:05.470" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="216" PostId="171" Score="0" Text="oops my bad, but im not gona change it :P" CreationDate="2010-10-07T06:21:55.483" UserId="1327" />
  <row Id="217" PostId="178" Score="0" Text="Great, that is what I thought of :-)" CreationDate="2010-10-07T14:37:10.290" UserId="1339" />
  <row Id="219" PostId="179" Score="1" Text="(On a totally unrelated note, good job with all the editing -- it's encouraging seeing high-rep users worried about overall quality)" CreationDate="2010-10-08T09:29:00.930" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="220" PostId="180" Score="1" Text="+10 for being online :D... I'm not asking to maximize exposure. It would just be cool if, after asking my question, I can see that Gilles is active and my question would be answered shortly, or when no regulars are active I can go [climb](http://stefan.artspace44.com/climbing/) a bit and come back later" CreationDate="2010-10-08T09:40:10.360" UserId="1327" />
  <row Id="221" PostId="180" Score="0" Text="@Stefan Oh, I see; that's a pretty good argument for it" CreationDate="2010-10-08T09:53:58.217" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="222" PostId="179" Score="0" Text="Hehe, same right back at ya... its awesome to ask a question and 10 minutes later find 'The Micheal' has removed all those horrible spelling mistakes and saved me from public embarrassment" CreationDate="2010-10-08T09:59:02.410" UserId="1327" />
  <row Id="223" PostId="180" Score="0" Text="@Micheal, the climbing part?" CreationDate="2010-10-08T10:00:43.087" UserId="1327" />
  <row Id="224" PostId="179" Score="0" Text="Yeah, its really comfortable if you miss some mistakes if the English language is not your mother tongue. :-)" CreationDate="2010-10-08T13:56:23.107" UserId="1339" />
  <row Id="225" PostId="180" Score="0" Text="@Stefan You should probably generalize it as &quot;I want to know if I'm likely to get an answer soon or if I can do other things&quot;, but yes, the climbing part" CreationDate="2010-10-08T14:06:36.990" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="226" PostId="183" Score="0" Text="Are you aware of any reasons why they restrict the access to the rooms? There seems to be no open interface like IRC or Jabber or $foo, only this webpage?" CreationDate="2010-10-08T14:31:03.803" UserId="1339" />
  <row Id="227" PostId="183" Score="0" Text="@echox They're not &quot;forbidden&quot;, just not included as part of the chat. The community is working on both [IRC](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/59760/irc-access-for-the-chat) and [XMPP](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/57316/offer-an-xmpp-method-for-chat) interfaces; I have no idea what their progress is though" CreationDate="2010-10-08T14:46:09.587" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="228" PostId="166" Score="0" Text="@Ivan right. I could have worded this better. The point I was trying to make is that software changes, and what's available changes. Nothing in this industry is static." CreationDate="2010-10-09T17:55:07.560" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="229" PostId="185" Score="0" Text="P.S. English isn't my native language and I'm not sure if &quot;social behaviourly challenged&quot; is even something you may say in English. Feel free to improve." CreationDate="2010-10-10T08:16:32.553" UserId="1941" />
  <row Id="230" PostId="183" Score="0" Text="Err I think I'm in a bit of a trouble. I created an account on SO first, and have no (1) reputation on meta (I think it's too mature everything I cared of has been answered). Now I can't join any chat rooms :(" CreationDate="2010-10-10T14:06:21.070" UserId="250" />
  <row Id="231" PostId="164" Score="1" Text="Isn't the simple answer to &quot;Where can I find software that does X&quot;? just www.x.org?   Or did you not mean that X?  8-)" CreationDate="2010-10-10T17:21:35.053" UserId="146" />
  <row Id="232" PostId="184" Score="6" Text="personal opinion &quot;blah&quot; I like kernelpanic.com" CreationDate="2010-10-10T20:19:05.763" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="233" PostId="183" Score="0" Text="@phu You can always reassociate an account later, but the SO devs are in the middle of moving some servers to New York, and currently meta is separated from the rest of the network (see [this question](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/67128/cant-link-meta-stackoverflow-com-with-so)), so you won't be able to associate it anyway. For the moment I gave you explicit write access in the Unix and Linux room, so you should be able to talk there regardless of your reputation" CreationDate="2010-10-10T20:44:42.710" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="234" PostId="123" Score="0" Text="Isn't the daemon the mascot for all three BSDs? Then Puffy wold be superfluous I think. I mean, otherwise we had to include Fedora hat, Ubuntu logo, Suse gecko and Debian shell too. (And still Gentoo and Linux mint and Mandrake would protest...)" CreationDate="2010-10-11T12:03:05.313" UserId="1941" />
  <row Id="235" PostId="169" Score="3" Text="To me, &quot;linux&quot; is a subset of &quot;unix&quot;; I would find it rather confusing (as a user of this site) to find that &quot;unix&quot; is a tag that does not apply to &quot;linux&quot;.  (Unless we want to restrict the usage of &quot;unix&quot; to those OSes that can be legally be called UNIX, but this won't make much sense because it's unrelated to almost any question that can be asked on unix.SE)" CreationDate="2010-10-11T20:00:05.267" UserId="274" />
  <row Id="236" PostId="169" Score="0" Text="@Riccardo Yeah, it's sounding like most people agree with that interpretation. In which case it probably doesn't make sense to have [unix], since it should apply to every post" CreationDate="2010-10-11T20:04:11.203" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="237" PostId="123" Score="2" Text="I think the focus was to involve the &quot;characters&quot; associated with Unix and Linux in the design of this site, rather than to be perfectly representative." CreationDate="2010-10-11T20:35:01.343" UserId="1299" />
  <row Id="238" PostId="193" Score="0" Text="+1 for a good Elevator Pitch" CreationDate="2010-10-13T04:51:42.613" UserId="4" />
  <row Id="239" PostId="185" Score="2" Text="In the old days, &quot;social behaviorally challenged&quot; was commonly used to describe Debian ;)." CreationDate="2010-10-13T04:53:48.740" UserId="4" />
  <row Id="240" PostId="194" Score="5" Text="You've inadvertently hit upon another tagline: &quot;Unix SE: we take the stuff the Ubuntu SE doesn't want&quot; ;)" CreationDate="2010-10-13T05:31:36.780" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="241" PostId="196" Score="0" Text="just my two cents" CreationDate="2010-10-13T15:00:51.223" UserId="1327" />
  <row Id="242" PostId="197" Score="0" Text="@echox Oh. I actually hadn't noticed that yet, I was in the middle of writing this and got distracted; sounds like Stefan had the same idea as me but [15 minutes earlier](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/192/should-we-have-a-convention-for-commands-requiring-root/196#196)" CreationDate="2010-10-13T15:14:54.697" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="243" PostId="196" Score="0" Text="This seems the best way; I put an example in [my answer](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/192/should-we-have-a-convention-for-commands-requiring-root/197#197)" CreationDate="2010-10-13T15:15:28.093" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="244" PostId="196" Score="0" Text="Have we any possibility to include &quot;run this as root&quot; automatically by some criteria chosen by us?" CreationDate="2010-10-13T15:22:43.493" UserId="1339" />
  <row Id="245" PostId="196" Score="1" Text="I really like the idea of having some way to include &quot;run this as root&quot; easily.  Some special markup perhaps?" CreationDate="2010-10-13T15:33:48.047" UserId="1207" />
  <row Id="246" PostId="197" Score="0" Text="mm... wait a second! I just had this horrible twist in my gut when I realised that '#' indicates a comment!! This is bound to confuse the new...." CreationDate="2010-10-13T15:59:51.653" UserId="1327" />
  <row Id="247" PostId="196" Score="0" Text="official markup for code/commands seems \n, 4 spaces for each line, \n ... What about something like \n, root:, 4 spaces for each line, \n ? Do the mod tools have any possibilities to include such &quot;templates&quot; or would this be a feature request for the SE software?" CreationDate="2010-10-13T16:12:30.977" UserId="1339" />
  <row Id="248" PostId="196" Score="0" Text="@echox I'm generally not a fan of that, because it's impossible to get everyone on the site to use it, so it doesn't do anything in the way of enforcing consistency. It's also currently not supported in the engine, but we can always try to get that changed if the community thinks it's a good idea. We were talking with the AU mods a few days ago about it, they want the same feature so they can have a template for including [package installation links](http://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/388/the-package-installation-problem); I'll check in with them and see if they found out anything" CreationDate="2010-10-13T17:02:52.213" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="250" PostId="196" Score="0" Text="@echox I talked to AU; they posted [this feature request](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/67401/can-se-sites-have-custom-additions-to-their-post-markup) yesterday about it (an apparent duplicate of a [feature request](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/57673/support-for-site-specific-formatting-hooks-in-se2-0-sites) from a few months ago). They're also going to bring it up tomorrow in the network-wide mod/dev meeting to see what the chances are of actually getting it added, so I'll find out then. I'm still not totally convinced it's a good idea, but at least we'll know if it's possible :)" CreationDate="2010-10-13T17:26:48.097" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="251" PostId="197" Score="1" Text="This is probably by design.  Copy/paste a line like `# break stuff` and the shell still doesn't try anything funny." CreationDate="2010-10-13T18:03:46.130" UserId="614" />
  <row Id="252" PostId="192" Score="1" Text="If the user doesn't recognize the `#`, at least copy/pasting `# something` won't cause any system damage.  Besides, this is easy.  Some new syntax may mostly be unused." CreationDate="2010-10-13T18:05:47.640" UserId="614" />
  <row Id="253" PostId="197" Score="0" Text="@Kevin ...but the shell doesn't try anything at all :). Including running `./do-stuff-as-root`; to someone who doesn't know what they're doing it looks like the command finished silently. I don't know if it would be a problem or not; maybe we should just use `$` instead. I don't think it will be that big of a deal, honestly; I think most people will know what it means or be able to figure it out pretty fast" CreationDate="2010-10-13T18:06:10.977" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="254" PostId="200" Score="0" Text="There's already a lot of material, so I think information for programmers and security analyses should not be included in this answer. In particular I've removed PolicyKit, which I think is irrelevant in the context of this question." CreationDate="2010-10-13T23:52:44.650" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="255" PostId="194" Score="7" Text="&quot;Unix: We were here before Ubuntu.&quot;" CreationDate="2010-10-14T00:41:15.860" UserId="4" />
  <row Id="256" PostId="201" Score="0" Text="For the record, the registry info goes like this: First, expand HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE, find SYSTEM, and then expand CurrentControlSet, expand Control, expand Class...&#xA;then find {4D36E965-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318} and click UpperFilters. Delete UpperFilters &amp; LowerFilters." CreationDate="2010-10-14T00:49:22.793" UserId="1389" />
  <row Id="257" PostId="203" Score="0" Text="There's a difference between homework questions and questions that are easily googled; it sounds like you're talking about the latter, so I renamed the post" CreationDate="2010-10-14T07:21:32.190" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="258" PostId="200" Score="0" Text="what about sux?" CreationDate="2010-10-14T08:30:33.870" UserId="1327" />
  <row Id="259" PostId="200" Score="0" Text="is there anything special about going into root at single user mode?" CreationDate="2010-10-14T08:32:03.387" UserId="1327" />
  <row Id="260" PostId="185" Score="0" Text="I think &quot;socially challenged&quot; is more brits ( english ) , but then again I'm not brits either ;)" CreationDate="2010-10-14T08:47:06.003" UserId="1327" />
  <row Id="261" PostId="196" Score="0" Text="I'm also not really satisfied by this solution but right now I don't have another solution. Sure, we could have a look at # in code scripts, but this would maybe bring some unwanted side effects?" CreationDate="2010-10-14T09:42:28.777" UserId="1339" />
  <row Id="262" PostId="205" Score="0" Text="Mmm, I'm not sure if we should only use Linux as tagline?" CreationDate="2010-10-14T10:01:21.777" UserId="1339" />
  <row Id="263" PostId="205" Score="0" Text="mmm lol... don't be critical, change it if you like :)" CreationDate="2010-10-14T10:09:27.210" UserId="1327" />
  <row Id="264" PostId="204" Score="0" Text="Then it would be nice to educate them about that when we have the possibility.  If we don't we're going to get gazillion more questions asking about what other special symbols mean in the grep pattern argument.  We could prevent the question from appearing on first page by asking the poster to check the manual first, and come back if he couldn't find the answer (and to edit his post like this: &quot;I've read the manual, but still couldn't find it.&quot;)" CreationDate="2010-10-14T14:37:59.627" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="265" PostId="203" Score="0" Text="What's obvious for one is not for another, but yes, it's very close to what I meant. :)" CreationDate="2010-10-14T14:46:44.410" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="266" PostId="207" Score="1" Text="OK, I agree for the most part.  What if come asking like &quot;What `ls` command does?&quot;, would it be rejected?  I didn't find any moderation policies on meta, but probably I didn't search hard enough..." CreationDate="2010-10-14T14:49:07.433" UserId="1946" />
  <row Id="268" PostId="207" Score="1" Text="@alex Not at all; in general the level of knowledge needed to answer a question doesn't matter (we even took [&quot;for advanced users&quot;](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/29/can-we-get-rid-of-the-for-advanced-users-part-of-our-description) out of our description)" CreationDate="2010-10-14T15:13:25.710" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="269" PostId="204" Score="1" Text="no way... I really don't think a 'please read the manual before asking any questions' will fit into the SE 'way'. The closest I think we should come telling them to read the man is to include a &quot;you can check out the manual like this:&quot; in our answers.." CreationDate="2010-10-14T18:49:56.073" UserId="1327" />
  <row Id="270" PostId="205" Score="0" Text="Is Unix not sexy? What about FreeBSD? Isn't it more nerdy? I've been told that MacOSX is sexy." CreationDate="2010-10-14T19:18:59.287" UserId="4" />
  <row Id="271" PostId="205" Score="0" Text="well...  `linux is sexy` is meme, and I sacrificed &quot;FreeBSD&quot; to make the tagline catchy.... but they are all sexy... i promise" CreationDate="2010-10-14T19:52:44.760" UserId="1327" />
  <row Id="272" PostId="205" Score="0" Text="What's with the Linux favoritism? and besides, there's a so much better quote about unix and sexy..." CreationDate="2010-10-14T21:28:08.053" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="273" PostId="205" Score="0" Text="@Gilles, If you have something better, please share.." CreationDate="2010-10-15T04:50:45.783" UserId="1327" />
  <row Id="274" PostId="211" Score="0" Text="To avoid embarrasment about it we don't admit to running anything on windows, and we make a big boo-ha about anyone saying that we do... http://www.nyms.de/pee-on-logo2.jpg" CreationDate="2010-10-15T05:06:42.047" UserId="1327" />
  <row Id="275" PostId="203" Score="10" Text="&quot;Unix is simple. It just takes a genius to understand its simplicity.&quot; – Dennis Ritchie. At some level, every single question on the SE sites could have been answered if the poster did more homework (A lot more homework). When you first started asking Regex questions, did you jump immediately to the manpage or did you ask a peer first? Most of us started out with the latter." CreationDate="2010-10-15T17:19:01.777" UserId="4" />
  <row Id="276" PostId="212" Score="1" Text="If you're just looking for an existing SE clone, [OSQA](http://www.osqa.net/) and [Shapado](http://shapado.com/) already exist. I've never tried them so I don't know how complete they are" CreationDate="2010-10-16T04:24:53.107" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="277" PostId="142" Score="0" Text="See also: [Shell scripting on-topic?](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/84/shell-scripting-on-topic)" CreationDate="2010-10-18T15:41:38.023" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="278" PostId="196" Score="1" Text="In my mind, the unix community already has a convention for this, i.e. the '#' before a command.  If this site is about anything, it should be about helping  people who are new to unix learn the existing conventions." CreationDate="2010-10-22T04:02:48.187" UserId="298" />
  <row Id="279" PostId="215" Score="4" Text="You really like the askubuntu-design? I think it is eyehurtingly awful!" CreationDate="2010-10-22T11:10:16.437" UserId="1941" />
  <row Id="280" PostId="215" Score="1" Text="well... I don't want anything like their design, but I like the fact that they got a design :)...." CreationDate="2010-10-22T11:25:42.677" UserId="1327" />
  <row Id="281" PostId="219" Score="0" Text="YES.I really want to discuss this topic and i need to get the concept thoroughly." CreationDate="2010-10-22T20:12:52.153" UserId="2269" />
  <row Id="282" PostId="219" Score="1" Text="Ok, but _whats_ your question? _what_ don't you get and _what_ do you want to discuss?" CreationDate="2010-10-22T20:14:22.467" UserId="1339" />
  <row Id="283" PostId="219" Score="0" Text="What is the exact meaning of &quot;free as in &quot;free speech&quot; &quot;? Is it possible to do free speech on any thing at anywhere ?" CreationDate="2010-10-22T20:30:46.870" UserId="2269" />
  <row Id="284" PostId="219" Score="3" Text="you accepted your posting here: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/3289/free-as-in-speech-vs-free-as-in-beer so everybody will think your question is answered. Beside that, you got answers to this question. What exactly didn't you understand on Richards answer? Anyway, Meta seems not the right place to discuss this. You should remove the &quot;accepted&quot; tag on your answer and be more specific with your question there. Tell us exactly what parts of the answer you don't get." CreationDate="2010-10-22T20:39:10.290" UserId="1339" />
  <row Id="285" PostId="219" Score="0" Text="Yes. Richards answer is not clear to me." CreationDate="2010-10-22T20:48:46.350" UserId="2269" />
  <row Id="286" PostId="224" Score="0" Text="OK, that makes sense.  However it begs the question, why don't I see the 'start a bounty' button on all answered questions?" CreationDate="2010-10-23T13:51:04.143" UserId="451" />
  <row Id="287" PostId="224" Score="2" Text="@Griffo: You can't offer bounties on questions less than 2 days old." CreationDate="2010-10-23T13:51:53.477" UserId="481" />
  <row Id="289" PostId="226" Score="0" Text="I'm fine with saying they're on-topic, but I hate the argument that &quot;they're ok because they're rare&quot; -- either they're on-topic or they're not, it should never be &quot;they're off-topic but we'll let it go this time&quot;" CreationDate="2010-10-24T08:38:07.027" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="290" PostId="217" Score="5" Text="and that our traction was shot in the foot by ubuntu not being a unix or linux" CreationDate="2010-10-24T19:59:26.590" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="291" PostId="217" Score="0" Text="@xeno that's the problem with democracy -- sometimes the people make stupid decisions :P" CreationDate="2010-10-24T20:28:02.817" UserId="331" />
  <row Id="292" PostId="217" Score="3" Text="@Jeff though I would hardly describe this as a democracy, no offense. One democratic decision does not a democracy make." CreationDate="2010-10-24T20:35:22.037" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="293" PostId="217" Score="1" Text="@xeno how far down the semantics wormhole do you want to go? Is there a perfect democracy, anywhere?" CreationDate="2010-10-24T20:37:37.250" UserId="331" />
  <row Id="294" PostId="226" Score="1" Text="how about &quot;they are on-topic and they are rare&quot;?" CreationDate="2010-10-25T06:58:44.883" UserId="250" />
  <row Id="295" PostId="125" Score="1" Text="image is out-of-date right? I mean, where is Arch Hurd?" CreationDate="2010-10-28T19:28:28.400" UserId="1327" />
  <row Id="296" PostId="229" Score="1" Text="It's probably worth pointing out that you need 1500 reputation and to be either in the top 20 answerers for a given tag or to have at least 100 score in that tag before you can edit the tag wiki, which will unfortunately exclude most users" CreationDate="2010-10-28T19:38:39.227" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="298" PostId="125" Score="0" Text="@Stefan I couldn't say who updates it or how... so probably it's on wikipedia" CreationDate="2010-10-28T22:42:59.483" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="299" PostId="232" Score="0" Text="this question should be rather be asked on [meta](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/). And as the 'close' votes are going, it soon will be moved there" CreationDate="2010-10-30T11:59:03.543" UserId="1327" />
  <row Id="300" PostId="233" Score="0" Text="This answer assumes this question will be migrated to Meta." CreationDate="2010-10-30T11:19:16.107" UserDisplayName="badp" />
  <row Id="301" PostId="233" Score="0" Text="have to admit that there is only 5 not-answered questions out of the 161 question they have" CreationDate="2010-10-30T12:00:28.300" UserId="1327" />
  <row Id="302" PostId="233" Score="0" Text="For some reason I lost ownership of this answer..." CreationDate="2010-10-30T12:30:37.947" UserId="2179" />
  <row Id="303" PostId="232" Score="1" Text="@Stefan Those comments usually are a bad idea; they may trigger the asker to make a new, duplicate question on the &quot;right&quot; site. That'd get you two questions there, one of which needs to be closed. It's better to just silently migrate." CreationDate="2010-10-30T13:25:49.333" UserId="2179" />
  <row Id="304" PostId="232" Score="0" Text="mm... i hear you, and thats why I also mentioned that i would be moved. Problem is I haven't seen a mechanism that alerts the OP that the question has moved. Since OP is new to SE ( judgin from OP's reputation) OP might suspect deletion, which might make him/her feel unwelcome. just me two cents" CreationDate="2010-10-30T19:08:37.690" UserId="1327" />
  <row Id="305" PostId="234" Score="1" Text="we could push for migrating questions from SF once we launch right?" CreationDate="2010-10-30T19:12:45.003" UserId="1327" />
  <row Id="306" PostId="234" Score="1" Text="@Stefan, idk, maybe some of them..." CreationDate="2010-10-30T22:56:22.497" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="307" PostId="232" Score="0" Text="lol @ 'i would be moved', should be 'it'" CreationDate="2010-10-31T06:31:53.350" UserId="1327" />
  <row Id="308" PostId="234" Score="0" Text="Some caller to Joel's podcast mentioned they where organising a 'bulk copy' of Erlang usenet stuff to SO. We could always try something similar here." CreationDate="2010-10-31T07:53:34.453" UserId="150" />
  <row Id="309" PostId="237" Score="0" Text="I once proposed a high end networking stack exchange site too... I see professional &quot;streams&quot; or divisions between network admins and systems admins. Oddly though, the more I see the issues with serverfault, UNIX SE and AU however, the more I wonder if we shouldn't go back to just having SF... fragmentation! As UNIX people we should understand its problems better than most ;)" CreationDate="2010-10-31T18:59:41.970" UserId="155" />
  <row Id="310" PostId="237" Score="0" Text="maybe... but I know I'm not a DBA or networking admin. I don't know IOS, I'm not a CCIE. Oracle is not my speciality." CreationDate="2010-11-01T04:19:38.947" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="311" PostId="238" Score="0" Text="those questions tend to be subjective, no? as for wikipedia, we can link to wikipedia as well :)" CreationDate="2010-11-02T04:03:36.907" UserId="1327" />
  <row Id="312" PostId="229" Score="1" Text="for now yes, but everybody has a growing reputation. :D my idea is that this question serves as a guideline reference for editing the distro-tag wiki's. Which is why I want input on 'what details should we include'" CreationDate="2010-11-02T04:07:02.783" UserId="1327" />
  <row Id="313" PostId="238" Score="0" Text="you could start a community wiki, asking posters to list advantages and disadvantages of different distributions.... Think this would cover a few issues that are central to the **NIX** side of life." CreationDate="2010-11-02T04:48:27.820" UserId="1327" />
  <row Id="314" PostId="209" Score="2" Text="just, kinda... it's funny but I feel not professional" CreationDate="2010-11-02T12:45:33.570" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="315" PostId="238" Score="0" Text="oh I would love to open a wiki like that, but wouldn't it be a &quot;subjective&quot; question?" CreationDate="2010-11-03T05:38:45.933" UserId="250" />
  <row Id="316" PostId="243" Score="1" Text="Yeah, I was thinking it was off-topic too when I saw it, but since *nix ended up being involved in the solution I guess I was wrong" CreationDate="2010-11-03T06:57:29.700" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="317" PostId="217" Score="0" Text="That's what I like about comments, you can say that it was - in retrospect - a bad decision justified with an unfortunate non-random poll." CreationDate="2010-11-03T13:26:27.777" UserId="1294" />
  <row Id="318" PostId="173" Score="0" Text="@Stefan I've only clarified maybe once... because someone was like &quot;what blah&quot;? and the person had 'tagged' the post but not otherwise mentioned what in any of it.  I mostly try not to change that kind of stuff unless it's glaringly obvious, or causing a problem" CreationDate="2010-11-06T06:33:14.347" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="320" PostId="249" Score="0" Text="I think so, but my first idea was the purpose of the script and not the size." CreationDate="2010-11-07T20:31:47.193" UserId="2567" />
  <row Id="321" PostId="248" Score="0" Text="Not exactly a duplicate, but see [Are questions about CPAN ok?](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/6/are-questions-about-cpan-ok), and the similar question for shell scripting, which has already been asked at [least](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/84/shell-scripting-on-topic) [twice](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/142/is-it-ok-to-ask-bash-language-questions)." CreationDate="2010-11-07T20:47:27.443" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="322" PostId="250" Score="2" Text="Repost of http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/69623/149076" CreationDate="2010-11-07T20:49:28.677" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="323" PostId="249" Score="2" Text="This makes sense; answers to &quot;how do I do this on the CLI&quot; that involve perl make sense, but &quot;how do I write this in Perl?&quot; probably don't, unless they're really trivial" CreationDate="2010-11-07T21:00:07.000" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="324" PostId="249" Score="0" Text="Something like that :)" CreationDate="2010-11-07T21:52:56.353" UserId="2567" />
  <row Id="325" PostId="249" Score="0" Text="@Johan I'm thinking complexity... something simple should be accomplish-able in only a few lines... where something complex will take more, and is probably beyond our scope." CreationDate="2010-11-07T23:29:48.613" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="326" PostId="253" Score="0" Text="On the [proposal page](http://unix.stackexchange.com/tags/synonyms?filter=all&amp;tab=newest) there's a link on the right of each unapproved one labeled &quot;approve&quot;. You can also skip the process entirely and just [create one directly](http://unix.stackexchange.com/admin/create-tag-synonym). Apparently we never went through these, there are some unapproved ones from the beginning of the beta -- oops :(" CreationDate="2010-11-07T23:39:08.633" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="327" PostId="253" Score="0" Text="@Michael I didn't know that was even there :(" CreationDate="2010-11-07T23:48:22.133" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="328" PostId="253" Score="0" Text="As for symbolic-link, I'm fine with reversing the synonym direction, symlink makes more sense to me too" CreationDate="2010-11-08T00:02:54.430" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="329" PostId="253" Score="0" Text="@Michael yeah I think we should redirect symbolic-link to symlink. esp because it's `man symlink`" CreationDate="2010-11-08T02:09:43.640" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="330" PostId="256" Score="0" Text="The original idea was about open source OS'es (Linux), and for people who use such operating systems, not just any software. Especially when for software questions we already have SuperUser. And it also seems that open source software tend to be cross-platform, but yeah, MPC is an exception." CreationDate="2010-11-08T04:25:35.673" UserId="2489" />
  <row Id="332" PostId="249" Score="0" Text="It is easier to mark a line in the sand based on purpose of question then on the complexity, but I see what you mean." CreationDate="2010-11-08T04:33:02.470" UserId="2567" />
  <row Id="333" PostId="253" Score="0" Text="Flipped it" CreationDate="2010-11-08T05:40:04.870" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="335" PostId="250" Score="2" Text="instead of trying to change current communities into what you want them to be, why not create a great community through the [area51 proposal](http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/create) proccess?" CreationDate="2010-11-08T08:36:12.323" UserId="1327" />
  <row Id="336" PostId="250" Score="1" Text="@Stefan because there already too many sites and audience is overly fragmented?" CreationDate="2010-11-08T09:28:40.680" UserId="2489" />
  <row Id="337" PostId="250" Score="0" Text="What im trying to say is that: This is Unix.SE, end-of-argument." CreationDate="2010-11-08T09:38:27.513" UserId="1327" />
  <row Id="339" PostId="258" Score="0" Text="The particular question you cite has been discussed before: http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/201/what-should-i-do-with-this-q-edit-or-repost-with-new-details" CreationDate="2010-11-09T00:45:47.260" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="340" PostId="258" Score="0" Text="change the body to match the title... ( humor only, don't kill me )" CreationDate="2010-11-09T04:57:24.597" UserId="1327" />
  <row Id="341" PostId="123" Score="0" Text="Thanks moberlerly, great resource. +1 ( That lizzard does not look like a samurai at all, more like a mongrol )" CreationDate="2010-11-11T17:44:11.363" UserId="1327" />
  <row Id="342" PostId="264" Score="2" Text="Voting is considered a [civic duty](http://unix.stackexchange.com/badges/18/civic-duty). It seems that there's no [snazzy way to pinpoint the worst abstainers](http://odata.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/s/318/high-standards-top-100-users-that-rarely-upvote) until the site leaves beta." CreationDate="2010-11-12T21:22:52.783" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="343" PostId="264" Score="0" Text="@Gilles You can see how many votes people have on their profile page, so you could always do it manually, but I don't really want to say &quot;The following people are **failing the site and should be ashamed** &quot;. I thought there'd be more with that badge though, that's depressing; I'm 10 votes away" CreationDate="2010-11-13T03:08:50.920" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="344" PostId="264" Score="0" Text="I think far more important than the non-voters are the non-acceptors..." CreationDate="2010-11-13T13:11:05.293" UserId="1327" />
  <row Id="345" PostId="265" Score="0" Text="I don't know about the reputation bridge, but there shouldn't be anything that prevents a new user from posting questions and answers. What exactly is your problem?" CreationDate="2010-11-13T17:07:19.773" UserId="250" />
  <row Id="346" PostId="265" Score="3" Text="@phu There is on SE beta metas; you need 5 rep to post questions or answers" CreationDate="2010-11-13T18:09:44.923" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="347" PostId="266" Score="0" Text="This explains a lot. I had the same problems. Just on Friday it was working quite well. But yesterday half the features vanished and you cannot associate single accounts anymore. It's all or nothing now." CreationDate="2010-11-13T23:15:10.823" UserId="2656" />
  <row Id="348" PostId="265" Score="0" Text="oh thanks I didn't know that :)" CreationDate="2010-11-14T13:05:13.870" UserId="250" />
  <row Id="349" PostId="256" Score="0" Text="Also probably Linux expert could answer more questions on comertial *nixes then Windows." CreationDate="2010-11-14T20:26:39.817" UserId="305" />
  <row Id="350" PostId="265" Score="0" Text="There, you got it now!" CreationDate="2010-11-15T22:54:27.700" UserId="2651" />
  <row Id="351" PostId="270" Score="0" Text="[Related](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/69623/rename-unix-se-to-opensource-se)" CreationDate="2010-11-16T15:11:13.490" UserId="2179" />
  <row Id="352" PostId="270" Score="3" Text="@badp: Not really. I saw that, and I have no idea why someone thought &quot;open source&quot; would be a good catchall term for unix/linux/*nix. I am fully aware of the scope of the site." CreationDate="2010-11-16T15:15:37.340" UserId="2376" />
  <row Id="353" PostId="274" Score="0" Text="Linux isn't really a subset of unix. It's better described as unix-like (*nix or un*x); those are better names for the family of OSes we're talking about here, even if they're not good domain names." CreationDate="2010-11-16T23:09:18.313" UserId="2376" />
  <row Id="354" PostId="274" Score="1" Text="@Jef, I said *more a subset*, not *a subset*. This was in a sense of Unix as a family, much as I'd say __x86 family__ if I was referring to both Intel and AMD parts, instead of referring to AMD parts as __x86-like__." CreationDate="2010-11-16T23:12:33.937" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="355" PostId="274" Score="0" Text="I get that, and I know no one would say unix is part of the linux family, but I'm much more used to hearing unix-like, *nix, un*x, and maybe unix family than I am &quot;Unix OSes&quot;. I know I'm getting a little pedantic, but there you are." CreationDate="2010-11-16T23:19:29.190" UserId="2376" />
  <row Id="356" PostId="274" Score="0" Text="@Jef, This reminds of a case of OSes like Ubuntu and Linux Mint... what to classify them as. Some guys say they are Debian, and I was thinking maybe Debian-like, but this is limited -- it just implies Debian derivatives. I now think that __Debian family__ is better (instead of the awkward __Debian and derivatives__)." CreationDate="2010-11-16T23:26:01.200" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="357" PostId="274" Score="0" Text="Yeah, it can definitely be hard to describe things, especially in a world as fragmented as *nix and all the associated software, and especially in a single word. (And it's even worse with Ubuntu, where quite a lot of users probably don't even know about Debian.)" CreationDate="2010-11-16T23:27:51.007" UserId="2376" />
  <row Id="358" PostId="273" Score="1" Text="It's too bad one can't google for &quot;*nix&quot; or &quot;un*x&quot; - I'd be curious to compare those to &quot;unix family&quot; and &quot;unix-like&quot;. For what it's worth, &quot;unix-like OS(es)&quot; is far more common than &quot;unix family&quot;, but unix family is probably a cleaner name for a title." CreationDate="2010-11-16T23:33:05.210" UserId="2376" />
  <row Id="359" PostId="273" Score="0" Text="Related: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/2342/why-is-there-a-when-there-is-mention-of-unix-throughout-the-internet" CreationDate="2010-11-16T23:56:31.623" UserId="2376" />
  <row Id="360" PostId="273" Score="1" Text="@Jefromi: We've just had the [Is Linux a Unix?](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/4091) question on the main site." CreationDate="2010-11-17T00:06:49.147" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="361" PostId="273" Score="2" Text="I don't really find it arrogant, and I don't think your analogy is particularly persuasive: Linux, though unix-like, is not A Unix, while Ubuntu is absolutely a Linux [distribution]. This is not to say that the current name is perfect; I'm just not totally sure about your reasons." CreationDate="2010-11-17T06:51:11.060" UserId="2376" />
  <row Id="362" PostId="275" Score="0" Text="+1: I think the current title does convey the desired meaning fairly well, especially given its length. I expect anyone out there using a unix-like OS which *isn't* unix or linux probably knows enough to realize they're within the scope. (Though if it turns out later we absolutely must append FreeCiv, so be it!)" CreationDate="2010-11-17T06:54:27.603" UserId="2376" />
  <row Id="363" PostId="277" Score="0" Text="*and I further doubt that people are going to include their editor name in an answer in a covert attempt to get people to switch* - it's a subtle sorta promotion" CreationDate="2010-11-17T09:51:58.563" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="364" PostId="277" Score="0" Text="@Tshepang It's really not though, that's my point. Most people are just going to give you the command they would use; they're not thinking &quot;heh, I bet if I mention editor X here people will suddenly decide to use it&quot;. And if they do, oh well; at least they're giving a useful answer" CreationDate="2010-11-17T10:18:03.943" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="365" PostId="275" Score="0" Text="@Jefromi: I should have mentioned that this GNU/Linux/... bit is not mine, it's from the GNU project." CreationDate="2010-11-17T19:31:14.203" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="366" PostId="277" Score="2" Text="On Debian and derived distributions, `/usr/bin/editor` is the system default editor (chosen according to packager-specified priorities, possibly overridden by the sysadmin). There's also `/usr/bin/sensible-editor`, a script that essentially runs the first existing editor amongst `$VISUAL`, `$EDITOR`, `nano` and `vi`." CreationDate="2010-11-17T23:32:19.833" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="367" PostId="284" Score="1" Text="Are you sure about that last point? Wasn't it more due to the opposition (the vote)?" CreationDate="2010-11-24T11:52:03.260" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="368" PostId="284" Score="2" Text="@Tshepang That's why we didn't merge originally, but from my understanding the SO team was considering merging us anyway (that's what I meant by &quot;force-merged&quot;), and AU being adopted by Canonical was the reason they didn't. For example, [this comment by Jeff on the SO blog](http://so.mrozekma.com/blog.png) (I got the impression later that the October announcement he was talking about was the whole AU/Canonical thing, and it would make sense)" CreationDate="2010-11-24T15:08:19.417" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="369" PostId="285" Score="1" Text="To be fair, AU didn't go over great on the [Ubuntu forums](http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1591890) either, but those things are to be expected" CreationDate="2010-11-24T15:10:39.727" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="370" PostId="285" Score="2" Text="I don't agree that partnership(s) are a &quot;bad thing.&quot; Companies that recognize the value of our community will relinquish a bit of control to give their users a better product. Those that want to maintain complete control, wont. Microsoft (http://techie-buzz.com/tech-news/msdn-stack-overflow.html) and Goolge Android (http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2009/12/hello-stack-overflow.html) have both partnered with Stack Exchange and it hasn't harmed the diversity of those sites. More questions for a distro simply means more questions for the site. It doesn't de-value *other* contributions." CreationDate="2010-11-24T18:55:39.040" UserId="337" />
  <row Id="371" PostId="285" Score="0" Text="@Robert This Microsoft and Android thing is interesting (exciting). Is there meta question or blog post about these 'big' sorts of associations?" CreationDate="2010-11-24T21:25:30.403" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="373" PostId="285" Score="1" Text="Here is the MSDN announcement: http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/10/stack-overflow-results-featured-in-msdn-search/. I couldn't find one about the Android relationship, except for the official announcement I linked above: http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2009/12/hello-stack-overflow.html" CreationDate="2010-11-25T01:27:17.527" UserId="337" />
  <row Id="374" PostId="285" Score="0" Text="@Robert Cartaino Partnerships are great, don't get me wrong, but do you think it would have been the same if Microsoft had been the only company to partner with SO **at the beginning of SO**? I think that for a general site like SO or unix, you want to grow a large and diverse userbase before making these kinds of partnerships." CreationDate="2010-11-25T11:16:08.860" UserId="1416" />
  <row Id="376" PostId="280" Score="0" Text="&quot;I say this because I really care about quality, and Ubuntu folk are surely going to give a superior Answer&quot; wow... I just feel like that reads troll all over... must ignore flame bait..." CreationDate="2010-11-26T16:10:07.840" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="377" PostId="280" Score="0" Text="@xeno I meant that since there's more of them there and the whole site is focused only on Ubuntu, the chances of a high quality answer there are higher than here. There are high profile Ubuntu developers there. Do you disagree?" CreationDate="2010-11-26T16:25:55.670" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="378" PostId="280" Score="1" Text="@tshepang yes You may get a faster answer, but there's absolutely nothting that says the answer will be higher quality. I believe it's quite obvious that most ubuntu-ers (at least the original users) only use that unix, otherwise I think more would have voted to merge." CreationDate="2010-11-27T00:12:42.413" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="379" PostId="280" Score="1" Text="@tshepang it also ignores the fact that there may be developers here, just because this site isn't officially sponsored by a corporation... I just feel that the comment is all around disrespectful to this community. Yes they have greater numbers, so? that doesn't necessarily make them better... 1 Gilles is all you need." CreationDate="2010-11-27T00:19:59.430" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="380" PostId="280" Score="0" Text="@xeno I think you are still in pain due to the split, and this clouds your judgement a little bit. I seems you also have an aversion to corporate blessings. I gave you a reason why I think it's better to ask an Ubuntu-specific question on Ask Ubuntu (in case of multi-postings), and it's not good enough for you. You even mention a speedier Answers, which is a plus. Note that I would also have preferred that both were merged, but what does it help to keep crying? BTW, many also think these 2 sites are a duplicate of Super User. I agree that greater numbers != superior Quality, but they do help." CreationDate="2010-11-29T09:44:32.657" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="381" PostId="280" Score="0" Text="@tshepang I don't think I ever got an answer to a question on superuser... so I'm glad this exists. But I stand by all my earlier mentionings that we shouldn't close ubuntu questions here as they are ontopic here. And I stand by the fact that suggesting that AU users give superior answers to Unix SE is trolling." CreationDate="2010-11-29T11:16:35.107" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="382" PostId="280" Score="0" Text="@xeno I limited this argument only to duplicates." CreationDate="2010-11-29T11:51:52.940" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="383" PostId="80" Score="0" Text="the link is no longer available" CreationDate="2010-11-29T18:25:55.353" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="385" PostId="80" Score="0" Text="@tshepang that's because the question was closed... point? technically if you have enough rep, you can still view it" CreationDate="2010-11-29T21:59:21.867" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="386" PostId="80" Score="0" Text="Considering that the reference to that link isn't really important to the Question, and that the rest of us have puny reps, can you remove it (the sentence)." CreationDate="2010-11-29T22:05:56.673" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="387" PostId="233" Score="1" Text="http://ask.debian.net is not official, even though it's endorsed by DPL (Debian Project Leader)." CreationDate="2010-11-29T22:20:22.973" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="388" PostId="215" Score="0" Text="We are very proud of our design!" CreationDate="2010-12-04T08:36:35.083" UserId="1049" />
  <row Id="389" PostId="289" Score="0" Text="If you can also point to the [FAQ](http://unix.stackexchange.com/faq)..." CreationDate="2010-12-05T06:26:15.797" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="390" PostId="275" Score="0" Text="I wouldn't say lack of questions is interpreted as offtopic, but more ask lack of interest... I'm pretty sure there was a is &quot;embedded linux ok&quot; question here on meta at some point." CreationDate="2010-12-05T09:28:14.980" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="392" PostId="273" Score="0" Text="@ Jef Bad analogy, I agree." CreationDate="2010-12-06T03:55:01.537" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="393" PostId="280" Score="0" Text="(Looks like this post got locked from flags, which seems a bit ridiculous; I unlocked it). Until we launch I'm of the opinion it's fine to post both here and on AU. We're going to have to revisit it after we launch, since generally you shouldn't need to crosspost questions, they should fit best on one site, but for the moment neither site has been closing questions that fit on both" CreationDate="2010-12-06T04:10:46.510" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="394" PostId="191" Score="0" Text="If distro-/platform-agnostic Questions pop up, this `all` tag should be implied. Also, it's not always the case that the Asker knows if her specific Question is relevant elsewhere other than her chosen OS, but such info should be available on a good Answer anyways. In short, `all` would be redundant." CreationDate="2010-12-08T07:15:47.830" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="395" PostId="291" Score="4" Text="Ask here ofc!!!" CreationDate="2010-12-08T07:22:05.600" UserId="1327" />
  <row Id="396" PostId="293" Score="0" Text="The distinction can be a bit vague. I'm now thinking of Nautilus' plugin, which allows one to **resize** or **rotate** images. Following your argument, it seems to me this would fit into [image-manipulation] tag, but then it's GUI." CreationDate="2010-12-08T07:25:02.390" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="397" PostId="293" Score="0" Text="@Tshepang: My reasoning was exactly what Stefan explained. For me an editor is interactive, so `montage` or any other automated program doesn't fit `image-editor`. I'm not committed to the tag names, but I do think there should be two different tags." CreationDate="2010-12-08T19:59:59.887" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="398" PostId="293" Score="0" Text="@Gilles Curiously, would you tag the Nautilus plugin I mentioned `image-manipulation`?" CreationDate="2010-12-08T20:31:15.177" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="399" PostId="293" Score="2" Text="@Tshepang: If I want to hand-draw a red circle over a screenshot I'll use an image editor. If I want to trim a large bunch of photos automatically I won't use an image editor. I'm not sure about this Nautilus plug-in as I haven't seen it, it may just be an edge case. Still, it doesn't really sound like an image editor since you'd be manipulating the image as a whole." CreationDate="2010-12-08T20:42:24.437" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="400" PostId="295" Score="0" Text="This is offtopic regarding the Answer, but I wanted to mention that [unix.SE vitals](http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/3924/unix-linux) are healthy enough for it to launch. I actually thought the reason for the delay is because the designer is busy with the other *more-ready* sites." CreationDate="2010-12-09T15:53:21.770" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="401" PostId="295" Score="0" Text="Oh, that's great news! I've been too busy to answer/ask much recently but I've been voting like crazy :-)" CreationDate="2010-12-09T15:56:13.610" UserId="1974" />
  <row Id="402" PostId="264" Score="0" Text="This Answer has this burning need to be updated. Looks like we are ready to launch." CreationDate="2010-12-09T20:02:25.393" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="403" PostId="264" Score="2" Text="@Tshepang Indeed, people rallied most impressively and we hit enough users pretty quick; I sent [this graph of votes/day](http://so.mrozekma.com/unix-voting-improvement.png) to the other SE mods a few days after this post was written. I don't know the current launch schedule, we haven't had a network meeting in about a month now; [programmers](http://programmers.stackexchange.com/) is scheduled to launch in a day or two. It looks like RPG and Money will be after that (it's hard to tell the exact order), and we're third, but it's not guaranteed since the order can shift between launches" CreationDate="2010-12-09T20:12:33.273" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="405" PostId="264" Score="0" Text="BTW, did anyone find out why the vote counts were so low?" CreationDate="2010-12-09T20:33:52.547" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="406" PostId="264" Score="0" Text="@Tshepang Oh, lame. At some point I want to write a script that just computes the order; I'm too lazy to keep going through A51 pages checking it. And I have no idea why the vote counts kept going down, that was weird. We bounced back for a while and then dropped again; we hover between 50 and 100 upvotes per day, but our two lowest days ever were back to back this week (there was a fairly low number of posts those days too though)" CreationDate="2010-12-09T20:40:19.090" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="407" PostId="299" Score="1" Text="I like the `sudo` notion, although &quot;make me understand&quot; is a little long-winded. There must be a way to express the same thing in one word, but I'm failing at coming up with it now" CreationDate="2010-12-10T20:22:06.490" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="408" PostId="299" Score="0" Text="@Michael: “sudo make me” has to stay for the xkcd allusion (and it works better with “make” being a standard unix command). Anyway four words is perfectly reasonable for a tagline." CreationDate="2010-12-10T20:46:28.767" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="410" PostId="264" Score="0" Text="@michael oh so it doesn't matter that we have 0 10k users?" CreationDate="2010-12-11T10:40:30.097" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="411" PostId="264" Score="0" Text="@xeno I don't think so; I think total users, &quot;dedicated&quot; users (200 rep), editors, and closers all factor in, but that's it" CreationDate="2010-12-11T10:42:17.783" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="412" PostId="264" Score="1" Text="@Michael ah... well gilles will be 10k in a week... and with a little pushing we've got several 3k's now." CreationDate="2010-12-11T10:43:21.857" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="413" PostId="264" Score="0" Text="@tshepang well since I didn't know this was being updated... per comment from other thread.. I'll stop reminding people though giving them hints that they should (once in a while) doesn't hurt..." CreationDate="2010-12-11T10:45:18.673" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="414" PostId="299" Score="0" Text="&quot;sudo answer my inquiry&quot;" CreationDate="2010-12-11T10:46:50.453" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="415" PostId="264" Score="0" Text="@xeno Right, we meet all the metrics now, but so do a few other sites that haven't launched yet; sites with more users (particularly at the key reps) get to launch first. At some point it was rumored we were third; Tshepang said we're now sixth, but I haven't checked. One programmers launches in the next few days the order will get recalculated, I'll ask Robert about it then" CreationDate="2010-12-11T10:49:12.177" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="417" PostId="302" Score="1" Text="Strictly speaking a declaration of death may not be the final answer, as someone else could have forked the project. In a way, “is there a maintained fork of X?” feels more suitable than “why did X die?”, because the why aspect is something only the people who stopped working on it may know whereas anyone could pipe up and say “oh, I'm currently maintaing Y which is based on X.”" CreationDate="2010-12-11T19:44:50.833" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="418" PostId="302" Score="0" Text="@Gilles Well... but I'm more interested on the cause of the project's death, than if there exist forks, right? Of course it would add value if the guy Answering would mention the existence of a fork (if there is)." CreationDate="2010-12-11T20:19:45.017" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="419" PostId="304" Score="0" Text="If someone asks the same question, he should be able to find the answer here. And AFAIK Hotwire wasn't cross-platform, so this is the right place to ask about it. If I mail the devs themselves, then only I will benefit. Sure I can ask on a public mailing list, but what if it was asked before? The question serves the check if anyone here has seen some answer somewhere, and to share the link if they have it." CreationDate="2010-12-11T20:43:20.090" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="420" PostId="304" Score="0" Text="@tshepang I've already discussed that &quot;cross-platform&quot; is not a good litmus test for what *is* or *isn't* on topic." CreationDate="2010-12-11T20:48:10.247" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="421" PostId="305" Score="0" Text="Excellent answer (actually, the one I was hoping to hear)" CreationDate="2010-12-11T22:06:53.513" UserId="2979" />
  <row Id="422" PostId="305" Score="3" Text="@Goran: it's not the one *I* was hoping to hear, though: I wish SU would work, but I fear it won't." CreationDate="2010-12-11T22:42:59.850" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="423" PostId="305" Score="2" Text="Well actually, when I joined SU, I was thinking it would be like how you described Unix.se. Not Ubuntu desktop, and not actual server administration like on SF. I was disapointed when I saw it. That's why I'm glad there is this one." CreationDate="2010-12-11T23:01:15.810" UserId="2979" />
  <row Id="425" PostId="304" Score="0" Text="Just an FYI that the dashboard-devel list was actually the beagle mailing list, it's just nonobvious." CreationDate="2010-12-12T21:16:43.170" UserId="968" />
  <row Id="426" PostId="308" Score="0" Text="You make me think of a solution to such a problem. How about a question **What killed X?** which calls for one Answer/death? The interested people could then add Comments to the Question, asking for explanations for specific death causes." CreationDate="2010-12-14T01:32:20.473" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="427" PostId="308" Score="0" Text="@Tshepang Definitely not; you're trying to bend the SE engine to fit a style it wasn't designed for. It's better to post questions as questions" CreationDate="2010-12-14T01:37:21.340" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="428" PostId="308" Score="0" Text="Should it then be a Community wiki where the dead are in the main body, and removed whenever Answered? I think this would be an ever better idea." CreationDate="2010-12-14T01:50:43.743" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="429" PostId="309" Score="3" Text="me likes the questions format, but u could have used a cleaner language :)" CreationDate="2010-12-14T08:16:26.607" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="430" PostId="307" Score="0" Text="I vote for the first one." CreationDate="2010-12-14T08:21:10.733" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="432" PostId="308" Score="0" Text="this is getting morbid... if these are about finding out that/if people died... then I'm really starting to think it's not ontopic" CreationDate="2010-12-14T13:59:27.463" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="433" PostId="309" Score="0" Text="@tshepang: i think i just made that language up.  it's like a cross between c++ and powershell, which are what I've mainly been working with lately.  :P" CreationDate="2010-12-14T18:04:37.353" UserId="479" />
  <row Id="435" PostId="313" Score="1" Text="As long as we have a clear criterion, it's good. I think that the number of windows specific questions on vim would make an insignificantly small part of the total vim questions. Right now, I can come up with only a handful without duplicates. So, I don't really think that the matter of windows specific questions should be significant in having vim questions here." CreationDate="2010-12-14T22:50:00.147" UserId="2979" />
  <row Id="436" PostId="313" Score="3" Text="But yes, now that I think about it: &quot;How do I install Vim on Windows Vista Ultimate ... ?&quot; is quite an offtopic here." CreationDate="2010-12-14T22:51:15.653" UserId="2979" />
  <row Id="438" PostId="309" Score="0" Text="@calavera I'm not going to write an answer, because [I wrote this thread long ago](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/97/offtopic-a-stance-programming-servers-cross-platform-applications) vi is part of SUS so it is even more unix than most crossplatform apps." CreationDate="2010-12-15T14:10:28.830" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="439" PostId="311" Score="0" Text="[cross platforms is a bad litmus test](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/97/offtopic-a-stance-programming-servers-cross-platform-applications)" CreationDate="2010-12-15T14:12:02.217" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="440" PostId="313" Score="0" Text="[I agree](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/q/97/29)" CreationDate="2010-12-15T14:13:53.183" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="441" PostId="309" Score="0" Text="I've updated our [faq](http://unix.stackexchange.com/faq) does this make things more clear?" CreationDate="2010-12-15T14:21:41.323" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="442" PostId="309" Score="0" Text="@xenoterracide: &quot;Applications packaged in *nix distributions (note: being cross-platform does not disqualify)&quot;:   I don't remember what it looked like before your change, however I think this is still rather ambiguous to the uninitiated.  I'm not exactly a noob and even I could get confused.  Maybe expand on the definition of cross-platform, or put it on its own line?" CreationDate="2010-12-15T17:04:25.620" UserId="479" />
  <row Id="443" PostId="309" Score="0" Text="Also, I guess since my question was two parts, it's a little harder to answer.  The first part is relatively simple... I probably could have just decided that as a *nix site, vi and clones would be on-topic and be done with it.  The second part is a little more hazy (and subjective I suppose).  Are these the kinds of questions that will be well received, and will they receive expert answers here, better answers than if I were to use say Programmers.SE or SO?  So far the answers have concentrated on part 1... I'd like to hear some opinions on part 2." CreationDate="2010-12-15T17:07:56.107" UserId="479" />
  <row Id="444" PostId="309" Score="0" Text="/slight off topic: This discussion also made me realize why the above pseudo-codish format made more sense to me than listing the stuff out in plain english.  I tend to see the second clause of a conditional expression as the more important, and having more weight than the first, if only semantically.  If the first part of the expression evaluates to false, we then need to evaluate the second. But if the first had evaluated true, we would have immediately moved on to the code block. So in this case, the second condition has the final say." CreationDate="2010-12-15T17:22:02.430" UserId="479" />
  <row Id="445" PostId="318" Score="0" Text="even if the dev is here, it seems like the kind of question for an interview, not a Q&amp;A site" CreationDate="2010-12-16T16:03:15.583" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="446" PostId="297" Score="0" Text="I'll leave it because of it's novel amusement value, we should have a sense of humor" CreationDate="2010-12-16T16:17:47.107" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="447" PostId="323" Score="0" Text="I just retagged http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/3322/what-makes-osx-programs-not-runnable-on-linux then wondered if `software` hadn't been a legitimate tag after all." CreationDate="2010-12-16T21:54:59.030" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="448" PostId="323" Score="0" Text="@Gilles That does seem like a rare legitimate usage, but the tag itself isn't particularly helpful; nobody's going to search for all [software] posts" CreationDate="2010-12-16T22:17:54.393" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="449" PostId="320" Score="0" Text="&quot;here's how to figure out details about random project..&quot; and that root question wouldn't necessarily be ontopic here... I wouldn't allow the question &quot;how do I determine the state of a project&quot; this just doesn't seem the place, imo" CreationDate="2010-12-17T13:03:16.350" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="450" PostId="320" Score="0" Text="@xeno of course that's up to you guys, I was just pointing out the only way to make such questions acceptable" CreationDate="2010-12-17T14:32:55.873" UserId="331" />
  <row Id="451" PostId="297" Score="1" Text="@xeno Interesting? Yes. Humorous? Well..." CreationDate="2010-12-17T15:54:34.030" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="452" PostId="308" Score="0" Text="@xeno Are you joking?" CreationDate="2010-12-17T15:56:13.420" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="454" PostId="316" Score="0" Text="I wanted to upvote this Question for its usefulness, but you already express the side you've chosen: **I feel these can only be answered by the original developers 99% of the time** :(" CreationDate="2010-12-17T16:21:31.150" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="455" PostId="324" Score="0" Text="&quot;in many cases, death is declared in public (objection only the developer knows)&quot; a different developer will know than the dead one likely. yes but 3 sets precedence that it's ok... which I guess after some debate, and some unsureness from all, we've decided, that it's not." CreationDate="2010-12-17T16:26:32.117" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="456" PostId="324" Score="0" Text="@xeno By dead, I meant death of the project, not of the developer." CreationDate="2010-12-17T16:29:58.227" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="458" PostId="324" Score="0" Text="@tshepang sorry my misinterpretation..." CreationDate="2010-12-17T16:32:04.253" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="459" PostId="324" Score="0" Text="@tshepang projects die due to death, time, interest, difference of opinion, cutbacks. What more info do you need on that? is it really important to know which? What more can we say?" CreationDate="2010-12-17T16:40:21.177" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="460" PostId="324" Score="1" Text="@xeno I don't want to guess, and say *maybe it died because the developer lost interest* for example. It could also be instructive, so you can see the signs of a dying project. That info is quite helpful, and Google tends to be a pain BTW. This site is way better." CreationDate="2010-12-17T16:47:25.870" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="461" PostId="324" Score="1" Text="@tshepang how to see the signs of a dying project would be a good question for [programmers](http://programmers.stackexchange.com/) IMO. It's not that these are all bad horrible evil questions. I just don't think they belong *here*." CreationDate="2010-12-17T16:52:58.690" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="462" PostId="324" Score="0" Text="@xeno Didn't think of that one. Good idea." CreationDate="2010-12-17T16:56:06.613" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="470" PostId="144" Score="1" Text="@Michael: I thought shell scripting *was* how you chained utils together?" CreationDate="2010-12-19T06:52:57.183" UserId="1820" />
  <row Id="471" PostId="144" Score="0" Text="@SamB I meant piping tools together in the shell itself, e.g. `ls | sort | head -n10`" CreationDate="2010-12-19T06:54:33.203" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="472" PostId="144" Score="1" Text="@Michael: oh, I hadn't realized there was a distinction :-)" CreationDate="2010-12-19T06:57:33.653" UserId="1820" />
  <row Id="473" PostId="144" Score="0" Text="@SamB There probably isn't much of one. We ended up making shell scripting on topic anyway (it even ended up with a bullet in the [faq](http://unix.stackexchange.com/faq) ), so it doesn't really matter" CreationDate="2010-12-19T07:34:28.410" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="474" PostId="80" Score="0" Text="Did you mean closed/deleted?" CreationDate="2010-12-19T08:39:13.497" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="475" PostId="264" Score="0" Text="@Mic If [SE sites](http://stackexchange.com/sites) is any indicator, we are ahead of every other Beta, although it looks like **RPG.SE** (or even **money.SE**) [might get launched first](http://meta.money.stackexchange.com/questions/180/any-idea-when-this-site-will-come-out-of-beta/182#182). Apple does not have enough high-rep users." CreationDate="2010-12-19T08:59:35.307" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="476" PostId="264" Score="1" Text="@Tshepang I don't think it is, I don't know where you got that impression; it shows Android ahead of us when they're not, and several behind us when they're not. It looks like RPG and Money are the two 90+ days ahead of us, but by the time they launch Startup and E&amp;R will both be at 90 days, and they're ahead of us too. So it'll be a while" CreationDate="2010-12-19T09:33:09.653" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="477" PostId="264" Score="0" Text="@Mic What are you looking at? I gave you my links. Can you give me yours. Just want to make sure we are looking at the same thing." CreationDate="2010-12-19T10:32:21.903" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="478" PostId="264" Score="0" Text="@Tshepang I use the area 51 homepage and check the top sites manually; I don't think the SE sites page has any connection to launches, and the area 51 homepage is just ordered by days" CreationDate="2010-12-19T10:50:39.227" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="481" PostId="332" Score="1" Text="*Some* of us haven't seen it yet :(" CreationDate="2010-12-19T10:58:14.163" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="482" PostId="264" Score="0" Text="@Mic I sorted my stuff by no. of users, wihthout being aware. Sorry for the noise." CreationDate="2010-12-19T11:00:34.327" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="483" PostId="333" Score="3" Text="Well, as far as I know the only complete Hurd system available is Debian GNU/Hurd, so that probably fits a lot better than plan9." CreationDate="2010-12-19T22:45:36.680" UserId="1820" />
  <row Id="484" PostId="333" Score="0" Text="As for VMS, CP/M, and OS/2, I think they are much more closely related to the DOS/Windows/NT family (which I believe takes a lot from them, though OS/2 also takes stuff from DOS/early Windows and was developed in partnership with MS for a while). Anyway, that seems to be mostly off-topic, though things like Cygwin, Services for Unix, MSYS, and perhaps even DJGPP are on-topic." CreationDate="2010-12-19T22:52:49.200" UserId="1820" />
  <row Id="485" PostId="59" Score="0" Text="Links, for sure!" CreationDate="2010-12-20T00:20:08.420" UserId="1820" />
  <row Id="486" PostId="207" Score="0" Text="Unfortunately, for this particular (`grep ^d`) question your answer is probably not correct ... since, you know, Google can't search by punctuation ..." CreationDate="2010-12-20T00:26:35.917" UserId="1820" />
  <row Id="487" PostId="204" Score="0" Text="@alex: yeah, it's a much better idea to give real answers that refer to specific portions of the manpage in question than to say &quot;RTFM&quot; whenever the OP doesn't claim to have tried that already ..." CreationDate="2010-12-20T00:31:19.280" UserId="1820" />
  <row Id="488" PostId="228" Score="0" Text="Of course, you need a certain amount of rep to do that..." CreationDate="2010-12-20T00:58:53.877" UserId="1820" />
  <row Id="489" PostId="211" Score="0" Text="We would probably have a hard time answering the questions without those manpages, too..." CreationDate="2010-12-20T01:09:36.953" UserId="1820" />
  <row Id="490" PostId="290" Score="0" Text="I'm pretty sure &quot;Kernal Panic&quot; is already taken, sadly enough..." CreationDate="2010-12-20T01:13:09.460" UserId="1820" />
  <row Id="491" PostId="290" Score="0" Text="@samb nope, still for sale" CreationDate="2010-12-20T01:14:25.947" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="492" PostId="123" Score="0" Text="Hmm. What kind of CDs can the Golden GNU, in good conscience, listen to?" CreationDate="2010-12-20T01:18:55.727" UserId="1820" />
  <row Id="493" PostId="217" Score="0" Text="@xeno: so, do you know of any actual democracies? I think Debian might be one..." CreationDate="2010-12-20T01:21:28.373" UserId="1820" />
  <row Id="494" PostId="217" Score="0" Text="@SamB no, and idk if *debian* is for sure one... simply because I don't think debian *users* get to make decisions... only the *developers* do IIRC." CreationDate="2010-12-20T01:28:46.877" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="495" PostId="233" Score="0" Text="unfortunately the moderators don't actually have the power to fix this..." CreationDate="2010-12-20T01:35:05.017" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="496" PostId="264" Score="1" Text="@Tshepang Well, Jin just mentioned in chat that he's looking into Unix designs now and is going to try and post here sometime this week, so we might be sooner than I thought" CreationDate="2010-12-20T06:06:20.827" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="497" PostId="336" Score="1" Text="Hmmm... a great idea for sure... I'm not very good at writing kernel modules, though." CreationDate="2010-12-20T06:42:47.673" UserId="1049" />
  <row Id="498" PostId="337" Score="0" Text="I love the illustration but is there a reason why it is slightly transparent? It would be nicer if it were entirely opaque I think" CreationDate="2010-12-25T11:30:40.810" UserId="3300" />
  <row Id="499" PostId="337" Score="0" Text="In general: I like the idea of taking inspirations from that well-known series of books, and it is beautifully executed. If the community agrees with the basic idea, this may be a winner already." CreationDate="2010-12-25T11:37:10.957" UserId="3300" />
  <row Id="500" PostId="337" Score="4" Text="But on to the *really* important questions: What will the `&lt;kbd&gt;` tag look like on Unix.SE?" CreationDate="2010-12-25T11:54:58.283" UserId="3300" />
  <row Id="501" PostId="338" Score="0" Text="What you mean by *real Tux*? You mean a photograph?" CreationDate="2010-12-27T05:57:50.723" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="502" PostId="338" Score="7" Text="Count me as against a “real Tux” on the home page." CreationDate="2010-12-27T12:09:41.747" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="503" PostId="338" Score="2" Text="+1 for the link to &quot;Image We Should Use for Something&quot;" CreationDate="2010-12-27T14:22:30.670" UserId="250" />
  <row Id="504" PostId="341" Score="0" Text="thanks. The header section was definitely inspired by O'Reilly cover, the rest of the design is simply aimed for whitespace, high readability found in most books. However, I'm re-evaluating if I should make the design too close to O'Reilly's look" CreationDate="2010-12-27T19:36:31.970" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="505" PostId="339" Score="0" Text="I'm still tweaking the final design. Thanks for the input." CreationDate="2010-12-27T19:37:18.117" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="506" PostId="337" Score="0" Text="@Pekka, what about the kbd tag? I was going to have it was the default Stackoverflow style. Should it look special for the Unix site?" CreationDate="2010-12-27T19:38:35.133" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="507" PostId="340" Score="0" Text="Others have voiced concerns about the logo too. I will tweak it. Regarding using Tux and other OS mascots, are we allowed to use them? for copyright reasons of course..." CreationDate="2010-12-27T19:40:32.870" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="508" PostId="337" Score="0" Text="@Jin no, no, just joking. [Background](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/1939/kbd-elements-are-way-intrusive)" CreationDate="2010-12-27T19:40:50.483" UserId="3300" />
  <row Id="509" PostId="340" Score="1" Text="@Jin Good question; lots of sites seem to get away with it, but I don't know if they do so legally. Gilles had a [good point](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/337/design-ideas-for-unix-and-linux-site/341#341) about avoiding specific logos though, since we support lots of different Unix-like OSes" CreationDate="2010-12-28T00:14:36.633" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="510" PostId="340" Score="0" Text="I found out that Tux logo is OK to use, with attribution: http://www.isc.tamu.edu/~lewing/linux/ not sure about the others. I'll tweak a design that has no mascots and see how it works out. I still prefer to stick with a clean and simple design for the Unix site." CreationDate="2010-12-28T00:39:26.593" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="511" PostId="338" Score="0" Text="@Tshepang... I meant a reconizable Tux instead of the O'Reilly pengiun. As Gilles explains in his post." CreationDate="2010-12-28T10:22:28.870" UserId="1327" />
  <row Id="512" PostId="343" Score="1" Text="I actually like the arrows :). They are very different from the old style though" CreationDate="2010-12-29T17:47:02.023" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="513" PostId="340" Score="0" Text="@Jin Most of the links in my post on the Image We Should Use question have information about licensing and permissions for some of the mascots. http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/122/image-we-should-use-for-something/123#123" CreationDate="2010-12-29T18:04:44.050" UserId="1299" />
  <row Id="514" PostId="343" Score="2" Text="I think I'd like greater-than/less-than symbols turned vertical: &lt;&gt;" CreationDate="2010-12-29T19:50:55.983" UserId="2180" />
  <row Id="515" PostId="345" Score="0" Text="As I write this: out of 8 questions posted today tagged `homework` on SO, only 4 had the tag put in by the asker." CreationDate="2010-12-29T21:21:56.253" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="516" PostId="345" Score="1" Text="@Gilles I'm not a big fan of adding the `homework` tag to posts you didn't ask, but that doesn't mean the tag shouldn't exist at all" CreationDate="2010-12-29T21:23:33.877" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="517" PostId="344" Score="0" Text="PS I retagged [this question](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/5214/) and removed the `homework` tag added by someone else. I won't do anything if someone re-adds the tag." CreationDate="2010-12-29T21:25:38.060" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="518" PostId="345" Score="2" Text="I don't *love* the homework tag, but to me it does strongly color the way I would answer and everyone else should answer -- give hints, not &quot;the answer&quot;. It also implies honesty and good faith on the part of the asker." CreationDate="2010-12-29T21:28:07.710" UserId="331" />
  <row Id="519" PostId="121" Score="6" Text="Too much Pepsi, not enough Coke." CreationDate="2010-12-30T14:43:11.210" UserId="549" />
  <row Id="520" PostId="352" Score="2" Text="correct, close votes (and reopen votes) auto-expire after 2 days if they fail to reach the threshold." CreationDate="2011-01-01T04:02:01.833" UserId="331" />
  <row Id="521" PostId="349" Score="1" Text="I like the idea of the random mascots." CreationDate="2011-01-01T15:29:21.143" UserId="250" />
  <row Id="522" PostId="349" Score="1" Text="Also in my answer, I just say that I want the tags to be in monospace. I love monospace fonts, but I don't think that's suitable for all text in a web page." CreationDate="2011-01-01T15:31:50.627" UserId="250" />
  <row Id="523" PostId="353" Score="0" Text="nice.... I have not been quite busy building my career lately... So I have not been too busy on this front. But I like your suggestions. As for the techinal details, won't those be represented by the list of question tagged with the distro. [see](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/arch-linux)" CreationDate="2011-01-01T19:03:34.730" UserId="1327" />
  <row Id="524" PostId="353" Score="0" Text="@Stefan: I was thinking of a few common tasks, definitely limited to things that can be expressed in a one-line sentence." CreationDate="2011-01-01T20:37:54.530" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="525" PostId="348" Score="2" Text="if you need to retag a lot of things, flag for mod attention to this post and we can do a moderator (diamond) rename or merge -- that will be easier." CreationDate="2011-01-02T00:01:32.360" UserId="331" />
  <row Id="526" PostId="354" Score="0" Text="I didn't guess. I saw the close reason." CreationDate="2011-01-02T09:14:40.207" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="527" PostId="353" Score="0" Text="mm. yes I see. And I like what you've done with debain and ubuntu." CreationDate="2011-01-02T11:09:18.193" UserId="1327" />
  <row Id="528" PostId="356" Score="1" Text="You can edit it, I won't be offended :)" CreationDate="2011-01-02T18:28:43.190" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="529" PostId="357" Score="0" Text="I think it can be objective in that __most advanced__ == __has more features__. I don't get what's subjective about that." CreationDate="2011-01-02T21:29:55.197" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="530" PostId="357" Score="1" Text="@Tshepang I'm pretty sure &quot;most features&quot; and &quot;most advanced&quot; aren't synonymous" CreationDate="2011-01-02T22:06:25.633" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="531" PostId="357" Score="0" Text="Actually that's all I meant. What's the difference?" CreationDate="2011-01-02T22:34:10.543" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="532" PostId="357" Score="4" Text="@Tshepang One really useful feature makes a product more advanced than a dozen totally useless features. Anyway, it's your question; if you don't like the reworded version go ahead and edit it" CreationDate="2011-01-02T22:44:18.887" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="533" PostId="337" Score="0" Text="I think I preferred the navigation bar from the first draft. I feel the scanline effect makes it a bit too &quot;noisy&quot;." CreationDate="2011-01-02T22:47:06.320" UserId="481" />
  <row Id="534" PostId="356" Score="1" Text="I agree, questions that look for simple &quot;yes&quot; or &quot;no&quot; answers are a bad fit. Share experiences, details, and examples." CreationDate="2011-01-03T01:14:39.760" UserId="331" />
  <row Id="535" PostId="360" Score="1" Text="I weirdly like it, although I think it would look good without any mascots too -- do we really need a graphic in the header?" CreationDate="2011-01-03T05:37:22.257" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="536" PostId="360" Score="1" Text="If leaving out the graphics is an option, I think that might be my favorite as well. But I guess there are things like favicon's, etc. where it would look goofy to not have anything. Maybe some graphification of &quot;*nix&quot;..." CreationDate="2011-01-03T05:47:48.500" UserId="2881" />
  <row Id="537" PostId="337" Score="0" Text="Would have been cleaner if you made this a different Question (like you did with programmers.SE). Now it's going to be all mixed up." CreationDate="2011-01-03T11:44:03.223" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="538" PostId="337" Score="0" Text="@Tshepang I didn't start a new post for the 2nd version because it isn't a total revamp like what happened with Programmers.se." CreationDate="2011-01-03T11:53:03.727" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="539" PostId="337" Score="1" Text="Would help regardless, because now a lot of the Answers below refer to the older design." CreationDate="2011-01-03T11:56:35.797" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="540" PostId="357" Score="0" Text="I guess 'has more features' is also subjective. Depends on how you specify single feature you may get different results (for example &quot;Writes to standard graphical formats (PNG/JPEG/GIF)&quot; vs. &quot;Writes to PNG&quot;/&quot;Writes to JPEG&quot;/&quot;Writes to GIF&quot;)." CreationDate="2011-01-03T14:12:42.023" UserId="305" />
  <row Id="541" PostId="362" Score="0" Text="That's my favorite part of the new design; I hated the first version :)" CreationDate="2011-01-03T17:02:44.720" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="542" PostId="337" Score="0" Text="I'll put my stamp on the latest rev ;)" CreationDate="2011-01-03T17:06:19.613" UserId="3258" />
  <row Id="543" PostId="365" Score="0" Text="Yuck, no. Keep the background very light and neutral (ideally white). I don't want to spend more than a few minutes a day on a site with as little contrast as Area 51." CreationDate="2011-01-03T22:28:37.183" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="544" PostId="366" Score="1" Text="I like the mascots, but I would draw the line at a child-like font. There needs to be some seriousness in the balance as well." CreationDate="2011-01-03T22:30:42.577" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="545" PostId="362" Score="2" Text="That's funny. I *really* hate the font in the title." CreationDate="2011-01-03T23:07:04.213" UserId="2180" />
  <row Id="546" PostId="362" Score="0" Text="@Shawn How can you hate a bold, sans-serif font? There's nothing to it" CreationDate="2011-01-04T06:34:45.723" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="547" PostId="362" Score="0" Text="@mic It's ugly when it's so large." CreationDate="2011-01-04T08:54:16.873" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="548" PostId="365" Score="0" Text="I don't mean those same colors, but much, much lighter and pastel variations." CreationDate="2011-01-04T14:20:02.583" UserId="261" />
  <row Id="549" PostId="341" Score="0" Text="I couldn't find licensing info for the MINIX 3 raccoon, but here is the raccoon's page on the MINIX 3 Wiki. http://wiki.minix3.org/en/MinixMascot" CreationDate="2011-01-04T14:42:06.433" UserId="1299" />
  <row Id="550" PostId="362" Score="0" Text="It's thin and spindly, not thin enough to be classy, though. It might be improved with tighter tracking." CreationDate="2011-01-04T16:49:26.957" UserId="2180" />
  <row Id="551" PostId="360" Score="0" Text="I asked some people that don't use SE sites frequently; they said &quot;it looks like the website for an elementary school&quot;, so it sounds like your notion was accurate" CreationDate="2011-01-05T04:32:18.990" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="554" PostId="313" Score="1" Text="You can also add: why *&quot;DirDiff isn't working on windows?*, *&quot;How do I programmatically open path that contains spaces?&quot;* (which is very windows centred, and yet its answer lies in using `fnameescape`/`shellescape` Viml standard functions), *&quot;How can the native gvim open the right files from cygwin?&quot;*, Several questions on the heretic mswin.vim, and so on." CreationDate="2011-01-05T22:09:49.870" UserId="3240" />
  <row Id="556" PostId="368" Score="0" Text="I'm relatively new to SE sites, but it seems to me that there is already a good matter of overlap between Unix.se, SF, SU, and SO.  Thus, the fact that there are already vim posts on other sites, doesn't mean they are off topic here." CreationDate="2011-01-06T00:24:08.073" UserId="1207" />
  <row Id="557" PostId="368" Score="0" Text="Also, I am primarily not a programmer (and also not a sysadmin) but I use both `emacs` and `vim`.  Why would I ask these questions on a site devoted to programmers?" CreationDate="2011-01-06T00:25:51.753" UserId="1207" />
  <row Id="558" PostId="368" Score="2" Text="If I have to give priorities, it would be: 1- have only one site for vim questions. 2- Let it be SO. Regarding your question, it's not about programmers, it's about established vim community (even if vim_use is better). Regarding programmers, they are more likely to have an advanced knowledge on these tools, and to be able to come up with scripting  solutions. See my previous link, or even this one: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/4882/block-motion-for-any-bracket-type/ These questions may seem very simple and yet they have no simple answer until we write the plugin." CreationDate="2011-01-06T00:41:36.450" UserId="3240" />
  <row Id="559" PostId="372" Score="0" Text="I see your point, but the risk is worth it. The ideal answer will show both CLI and GUI ways (if applicable). On another note, I think Jeff should have left out &quot;CLI or GUI&quot; part out of the question, because it's redundant (it's already tagged so)." CreationDate="2011-01-06T01:11:47.520" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="560" PostId="368" Score="2" Text="The problem I see is that if we base what is on topic for this site on whether or not there is already an established community on SO, we might as well pack our bags and go home.  SO has over 4000 questions on `bash` alone." CreationDate="2011-01-06T01:36:47.153" UserId="1207" />
  <row Id="561" PostId="375" Score="0" Text="By this you actually mean that I can go through all questions that actually required the answer to be CLI, and re-ask them, only this time to require GUI. Can you add some justification." CreationDate="2011-01-07T17:08:52.427" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="562" PostId="376" Score="0" Text="Just to be clear, are you implying that the comment I left on Gilles' answer is valid, that one can go ahead and re-ask...?" CreationDate="2011-01-07T20:27:26.250" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="563" PostId="375" Score="0" Text="@Tshepang: No, I mean that for *some* questions requesting a CLI answer, it's fine to ask a separate question with similar requirements except that you want a GUI." CreationDate="2011-01-07T20:49:48.033" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="564" PostId="375" Score="0" Text="What are you excluding by *some*? That is, where is it not okay to re-ask?" CreationDate="2011-01-07T20:52:56.393" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="565" PostId="375" Score="0" Text="@Tshepang: When answers to one of the questions would be mostly useless to people asking the other question and vice versa. The avi file merging is borderline: the answers are mostly disjoint (which suggests the questions should be separate), but a lot of people wouldn't mind either way (which suggests the questions should be merged)." CreationDate="2011-01-07T21:02:38.317" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="567" PostId="382" Score="0" Text="Does it matter if the information is useful __today__ even if it will *definitely* be outdated next month?" CreationDate="2011-01-07T21:48:47.417" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="568" PostId="382" Score="0" Text="@Tshepang Every question is going to be about information useful today, but this is the reason the &quot;too localized&quot; close reason exists" CreationDate="2011-01-07T21:49:48.850" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="569" PostId="147" Score="0" Text="I'm not actively watching for crossposts, but I dislike it when a question is answered independently on multiple sites and the asker could easily have avoided this. So for the time being I'll continue telling people to cross-link." CreationDate="2011-01-08T20:42:19.937" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="570" PostId="386" Score="0" Text="Yeah. Looking at this 2nd draft, I'll take the first one anytime, despite its dull look." CreationDate="2011-01-09T02:48:10.457" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="571" PostId="147" Score="0" Text="@gilles crosslinking is a good idea. I have been crossposting after a few weeks of not getting a good idea on another site, I reasked a question on dba after it not having gotten a good answer on SO for weeks." CreationDate="2011-01-09T03:15:35.397" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="572" PostId="383" Score="1" Text="I want to say I didn't interpret. I read it as it was. It could be reworded to be better, and I wouldn't have closed it." CreationDate="2011-01-09T05:56:06.570" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="573" PostId="384" Score="0" Text="This answer reflects my reasoning." CreationDate="2011-01-09T05:57:25.180" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="574" PostId="387" Score="0" Text="oh, and did I mention anywhere that I still think we should change our name to *kernel panic*" CreationDate="2011-01-09T15:46:42.427" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="575" PostId="239" Score="1" Text="I actually like the *we will wipe your windows* humor, even though it's controversial - it's the sort of thing why others call us fanbois." CreationDate="2011-01-09T15:59:28.200" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="576" PostId="387" Score="1" Text="I don't like the association unix = terminal = outdated." CreationDate="2011-01-09T15:59:30.240" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="577" PostId="377" Score="0" Text="See also: http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/203/rejecting-obvious-questions" CreationDate="2011-01-09T18:16:42.630" UserId="1207" />
  <row Id="578" PostId="387" Score="2" Text="@Gilles: I don't like the association &quot;terminal = outdated&quot;." CreationDate="2011-01-09T18:46:37.190" UserId="481" />
  <row Id="579" PostId="390" Score="0" Text="That's a tag I'm glad does not exist." CreationDate="2011-01-09T21:52:02.670" UserId="2179" />
  <row Id="581" PostId="390" Score="1" Text="@badp Challenge accepted" CreationDate="2011-01-09T22:02:15.937" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="582" PostId="389" Score="1" Text="That was me by the way (at least, I think it was)... I'm a moderator over on Ask Ubuntu :)" CreationDate="2011-01-10T01:08:05.523" UserId="1049" />
  <row Id="583" PostId="389" Score="0" Text="@George It was, I just didn't want to say who it was without permission :)" CreationDate="2011-01-10T01:29:24.163" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="584" PostId="389" Score="0" Text="Thanks :) I just wanted to let people know that it wasn't some random guy flagging the post." CreationDate="2011-01-10T01:38:06.103" UserId="1049" />
  <row Id="585" PostId="307" Score="0" Text="*burning*? you should get that checked out." CreationDate="2011-01-10T01:57:48.810" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="586" PostId="390" Score="3" Text="I'm not a big fan of &quot;community A is bigger than community B, so questions should migrate to community A whenever possible&quot; -- that's a great way to kill community B really fast" CreationDate="2011-01-10T04:02:59.113" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="587" PostId="390" Score="0" Text="@mic That was meant *merely* as one more reason why someone having an Ubuntu-specific question should post there. The end-user experience does matter a lot, and no, Ubuntu doesn't have the majority of the world's Unix/Linux users, so no community will be killed. In fact, the one reason why that site is so huge is because leaders in the Ubuntu community have promoted it heavily, and not simply because Ubuntu is huge." CreationDate="2011-01-10T04:55:40.560" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="588" PostId="394" Score="1" Text="__FWIW__: I feel pain when I see a generic Unix/Linux question in AU. What a waste! The trade-off is the convenience that when you do ask there, you don't expect a response like: *In Debian it's done like __this__, on Solaris it's done like __that__, and on Fedora it's done like __so__.*" CreationDate="2011-01-10T05:06:35.867" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="589" PostId="394" Score="1" Text="@tshepang, I suspect that you'll find very few questions on AU that aren't generic. But I've never used it, so that's possibly incorrect." CreationDate="2011-01-10T10:40:18.757" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="590" PostId="228" Score="0" Text="Which I recently got :) and soon to lose (we are launching soon)" CreationDate="2011-01-10T19:25:32.840" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="591" PostId="228" Score="0" Text="@Tshepang Oh yeah, that's too bad. Get another 1k in the next day or two :)" CreationDate="2011-01-10T19:29:26.143" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="592" PostId="397" Score="5" Text="Everyone seems to assume users have thought &quot;Well, there's Unix/Linux, and there's AU. I'm going to think carefully before choosing one&quot; -- I don't think that's true at all. I assume a majority of new users posts on one site are from users who didn't know the other site even existed; they weren't weighing the pros and cons before asking on one or the other. In any case, everyone seems to agree on what should be migrated and not, so I guess it doesn't matter" CreationDate="2011-01-10T20:11:02.207" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="593" PostId="397" Score="0" Text="@Michael I left out the fact I comment about other sites on the network which exists in my original answer on the AU Meta. I'll add that here." CreationDate="2011-01-10T20:18:05.977" UserId="39" />
  <row Id="594" PostId="397" Score="0" Text="Ok; we've been doing it through comments too, so I guess we'll stick to that" CreationDate="2011-01-10T20:24:38.103" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="595" PostId="397" Score="1" Text="It's not clear from what I wrote before, but I do not support migrating a question from Unix.SE to Ask Ubuntu unless the asker agrees (well, a technical question anyway; maybe a question about the project)." CreationDate="2011-01-10T21:21:50.877" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="596" PostId="394" Score="0" Text="Err, if someone on AU asks a question about Debian (I think it's happened once or twice), surely it would be legitimate to migrate it here?" CreationDate="2011-01-10T21:22:21.373" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="597" PostId="397" Score="2" Text="@Gilles I think a comment like `This question might be better suited for [Site Name](http://siteurl.com). If you'd like we can [migrate this question for you](http://meta.siteurl.com/question/about/migrating/and-how-it-works)`" CreationDate="2011-01-10T22:11:55.630" UserId="39" />
  <row Id="598" PostId="394" Score="0" Text="@Gilles I suppose, but what Ubuntu question wouldn't be valid here? I suppose I was saying questions that are validly ontopic shouldn't be migrated. Debian is obviously not ontopic on AU. But a question about dash is, even though dash has nothing to do with ubuntu." CreationDate="2011-01-11T02:19:29.703" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="599" PostId="396" Score="1" Text="could be, should be, Here I think, the shell, and maybe the c code, as we have a little c. Though c is much less important. But we have a lot of shell" CreationDate="2011-01-11T12:29:58.910" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="600" PostId="394" Score="0" Text="@Gilles As I understand it, it comes down to if the question makes sense for Ubuntu users. If the question is Debian-specific and doesn't apply to Ubuntu, it moves here; if it applies to Ubuntu and Debian, it stays there" CreationDate="2011-01-11T16:14:07.170" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="601" PostId="368" Score="0" Text="@LucHermitte: I have to admit I agree at this point.  Last night I asked a vim question on SO and I received 2 **great** answers within *5 minutes*.  The were both so perfect I wished I had been able to choose both as accepted." CreationDate="2011-01-11T16:30:45.373" UserId="479" />
  <row Id="602" PostId="398" Score="0" Text="might want to do zsh to sh or maybe even bash (it's largely compat to bash)" CreationDate="2011-01-12T02:25:12.420" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="603" PostId="337" Score="0" Text="When will the new design be released?" CreationDate="2011-01-12T10:57:04.930" UserId="538" />
  <row Id="604" PostId="368" Score="1" Text="@StevenD, I'm one of these people that don't the see the point in having more than one forum. Specially in a tag organized world." CreationDate="2011-01-12T15:14:58.290" UserId="3240" />
  <row Id="605" PostId="368" Score="0" Text="@Luc Hermitte: I sort of agree with you there. Although, the TeX SE is quickly becoming one of the most useful sites for LaTeX &amp; TeX--I doubt it would have been without it being a separate forum." CreationDate="2011-01-12T16:08:25.617" UserId="1207" />
  <row Id="606" PostId="399" Score="7" Text="I love it, simple, elegant, you've done well @Jin. My heartfelt thanks." CreationDate="2011-01-12T22:24:42.640" UserId="3258" />
  <row Id="607" PostId="399" Score="3" Text="Not bad! Almost as good as the AU site layout :P" CreationDate="2011-01-12T22:30:31.733" UserId="39" />
  <row Id="608" PostId="399" Score="2" Text="I **really** like the fonts!" CreationDate="2011-01-12T22:49:57.963" UserId="2979" />
  <row Id="609" PostId="22" Score="2" Text="Apple has it's own stackexchange currently in beta: http://apple.stackexchange.com" CreationDate="2011-01-12T22:53:00.753" UserId="39" />
  <row Id="610" PostId="400" Score="0" Text="Good catch. I think it's supposed to be `background-position: 0 -240px;` (instead of `-241px`)" CreationDate="2011-01-13T03:33:04.803" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="612" PostId="194" Score="0" Text="kinda like how we were before...well a lotta stuff actually." CreationDate="2011-01-13T03:56:58.593" UserId="195" />
  <row Id="613" PostId="399" Score="2" Text="Great job! Really like that it is not &quot;overstyled&quot;." CreationDate="2011-01-13T06:39:10.140" UserId="678" />
  <row Id="615" PostId="403" Score="1" Text="Next deployment? I think I've seen it fixed already :)" CreationDate="2011-01-13T12:46:27.157" UserId="250" />
  <row Id="616" PostId="408" Score="0" Text="Does this happen often? Can you take a screenshot next time? I've never seen that before" CreationDate="2011-01-13T14:56:13.027" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="617" PostId="408" Score="0" Text="@mic it happens all the time; I've attached a screenshot" CreationDate="2011-01-13T15:05:40.177" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="618" PostId="401" Score="0" Text="Indeed. Even the trilogy or sketchy buttons would fit in more than those." CreationDate="2011-01-13T16:59:07.823" UserId="131" />
  <row Id="619" PostId="406" Score="2" Text="i'll fix this soon." CreationDate="2011-01-13T18:00:41.877" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="620" PostId="401" Score="1" Text="It makes them very visible, but I don't think they need to be. And I would like them to have more contrast, I can barely make out the text." CreationDate="2011-01-13T20:46:34.227" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="621" PostId="407" Score="3" Text="`Uɴɪx &amp; Lɪɴᴜx` … I like the idea of having them both in small caps." CreationDate="2011-01-13T20:51:25.643" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="622" PostId="414" Score="0" Text="P.S. Jin, in spite of my nitpicks, I do like the design, thanks!" CreationDate="2011-01-13T21:28:28.183" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="623" PostId="402" Score="0" Text="I think “strongly discouraged” should link to [Jeff's identical answer on another thread](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/64068/is-it-possible-to-post-questions-across-a-couple-of-the-sites-because-its-debata/64073#64073)." CreationDate="2011-01-13T21:29:45.000" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="624" PostId="407" Score="0" Text="@gilles That's very tempting, and has an authoritative feel. It also has an advantage of consistency (between the two terms)." CreationDate="2011-01-13T21:31:20.913" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="625" PostId="414" Score="1" Text="I didn't even notice." CreationDate="2011-01-13T21:36:47.893" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="626" PostId="416" Score="0" Text="Indeed it looks better in the unclicked style, but it's still not as visible as I'd like." CreationDate="2011-01-13T21:37:11.390" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="630" PostId="414" Score="0" Text="@Tshepang I didn't either; I have trouble seeing it even when I'm looking. On the other hand, I barely see the blue background on interesting-tagged posts" CreationDate="2011-01-13T22:24:23.737" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="631" PostId="405" Score="0" Text="this is a small issue: __/ask question__ --&gt; __/ask_question__, so ignore it if it's just nit-picking" CreationDate="2011-01-14T07:50:49.040" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="632" PostId="419" Score="2" Text="I'm *not* suggesting that we should put a &quot;/tags&quot; prefix in there. I mean we should replace that &quot;/&quot; with something else." CreationDate="2011-01-14T12:54:53.967" UserId="250" />
  <row Id="633" PostId="419" Score="2" Text="Well, let's say I replied to the *&quot;`/bash` [...] should have been `/tags/bash`&quot;* part.  Glad to hear you neither find this a better solution ;-)" CreationDate="2011-01-14T13:10:29.917" UserId="3547" />
  <row Id="634" PostId="418" Score="2" Text="anyone else think meta looks nicer than our parent?" CreationDate="2011-01-14T14:43:14.017" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="635" PostId="418" Score="3" Text="The square brackets in the draft design definitely looked better; I'm not sure if there was a reason it was changed" CreationDate="2011-01-14T14:50:35.397" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="636" PostId="417" Score="2" Text="I don't like it I think it's **ugly**. I do agree with @tshepang's comment elsewhere that meta looks better than parent" CreationDate="2011-01-14T15:26:19.567" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="637" PostId="420" Score="0" Text="Oh, I see. It's not so obvious. Usability issue then." CreationDate="2011-01-14T16:39:40.673" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="638" PostId="420" Score="0" Text="@Tshepang: Yeah, the bold/not bold distinction is quite subtle. I've pinged Jin to take a look at that, maybe he has an idea how to make it a little more obvious." CreationDate="2011-01-14T16:40:26.163" UserId="353" />
  <row Id="639" PostId="405" Score="1" Text="@Tshepang that fix is also on the way. the dev team is taking care of that." CreationDate="2011-01-15T07:12:57.390" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="640" PostId="423" Score="1" Text="This change looks great!" CreationDate="2011-01-15T13:16:07.927" UserId="2180" />
  <row Id="642" PostId="413" Score="0" Text="u got a link to the 'how to ask' page?" CreationDate="2011-01-15T15:41:09.103" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="643" PostId="413" Score="0" Text="@Tshepang: http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/ask , the `&lt;div class=&quot;module newuser&quot;&gt;` bits." CreationDate="2011-01-15T16:05:26.223" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="644" PostId="417" Score="0" Text="@xeno You want the buttons to be grey like on meta?" CreationDate="2011-01-16T19:49:29.213" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="645" PostId="421" Score="0" Text="Even though the texture is barely visible, I still think it is not an appealing texture - enough so that no texture would be better. Perhaps a similarly low-contrast texture that is something other than dots would work? I tried very light both 1px and 2px horizontal strips and found them slightly better, but there is almost certainly something better we could do." CreationDate="2011-01-16T20:23:50.940" UserId="2180" />
  <row Id="646" PostId="417" Score="0" Text="@michael idk, I'm not a designer, but they just don't look right, they might be color complementary, but they don't look attractive, possibly because their isn't enough of it, it seems like the only place that color is used (even if it's not). Meta seems a more consistent theme. The grey works better on meta because there's lots of shades of it already." CreationDate="2011-01-17T02:03:23.367" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="647" PostId="411" Score="0" Text="which I never see on the same page. like I said in comment to @michael, there's just not enough of this color on the page to make it work." CreationDate="2011-01-17T02:05:23.097" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="648" PostId="417" Score="0" Text="@michael I don't think grey would work either because there's no grey on the parent. though I'd ask if something has been tuned on this already, or if I'm just getting used to it, because it looks less horrific than it did." CreationDate="2011-01-17T02:09:28.893" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="649" PostId="421" Score="0" Text="I've now tried on a few different monitors, and the dots bother me on the monitors that I find the most comfortable. My gamma is probably off: I read text all day and never need accurate color rendering, so I chose settings that were good for reading text. [User CSS it is.](http://superuser.com/questions/234952/understanding-css-for-user-styling-in-a-browser)" CreationDate="2011-01-18T23:31:01.327" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="650" PostId="418" Score="1" Text="@Jeff I think I could do with a little explanation to that `status-bydesign` tag. Like when you say no to a kid you also tell them something. What you say probably doesn't make much sense and the kid is probably still sad, but it's better than just &quot;No&quot;." CreationDate="2011-01-19T11:36:41.773" UserId="250" />
  <row Id="651" PostId="399" Score="0" Text="After some time not visiting the site (busy in new job) I just saw the new design and I, too, really like it. Well done!" CreationDate="2011-01-20T21:52:37.947" UserId="1941" />
  <row Id="652" PostId="430" Score="0" Text="good idea -- something nice and Unix-y!" CreationDate="2011-01-27T00:49:50.780" UserId="331" />
  <row Id="654" PostId="434" Score="3" Text="The link was the first google hit for a list of `strerror` strings. I think “Permission denied” is ok because retrying with a captcha is analogous to retrying with sudo. I don't like having a network error message here because there's a risk of confusion with an actual network error." CreationDate="2011-01-28T18:29:30.023" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="656" PostId="441" Score="1" Text="i'm looking into this." CreationDate="2011-02-01T20:10:46.290" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="660" PostId="345" Score="0" Text="@jeff I have no problem giving *the answer*. but I expect 1. the homeworkee to tell me how they've tried to find the answer themselves. 2. if it asks for explanation, I probably won't give one directly, instead point to resources. 3. If it doesn't ask for explanation I might give one so that the homeworkee learns more. As far as the tag.. I don't care" CreationDate="2011-02-02T10:15:58.230" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="661" PostId="437" Score="0" Text="I have no problems asking about bugs in the implementation... though answering &quot;bug&quot; is also find with me. How'm I supposed to know if it's a bug in my code, or my unix implementation? what if it behaves differently on bsd, linux, aix, and cygwin ... and the cygwin behavior is a bug... well who'd have guessed? should wine users ask here or on superuser?" CreationDate="2011-02-02T10:23:02.857" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="662" PostId="432" Score="1" Text="I thought I killed the `desktop-environment` tag... if I let it live I wonder why... I always tag shell because I figure there might be people watching that. but I doubt anyone watches `desktop-environment`" CreationDate="2011-02-02T10:27:04.163" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="663" PostId="432" Score="0" Text="@xeno The DE tag is still relevant. Look at [this](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/3022/how-to-get-rid-of-desktop-environment-and-use-a-window-manager-only), [that](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/1206/the-most-light-weight-compiz-compatible-environment), [this](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/1151/what-are-the-user-interface-subsystems-their-components-and-responsibilities) and [that](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/1150/how-to-find-information-about-the-system-machine-in-unix)." CreationDate="2011-02-02T10:32:10.103" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="664" PostId="432" Score="0" Text="that's probably why I didn't kill it. I recall at least thinking about it once... I think this tag has the potential to be abused because people might confuse its meaning." CreationDate="2011-02-02T12:51:55.847" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="665" PostId="230" Score="0" Text="Is this still relevant?" CreationDate="2011-02-03T17:00:51.627" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="667" PostId="449" Score="0" Text="What of less standard utilities like **pmount**? Should I add a tag for it, or in their case, should I stick to [mounting]?" CreationDate="2011-02-08T06:39:23.200" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="668" PostId="449" Score="1" Text="If it's concerning a specific utility, my opinion is we should have a tag for that utility... as well as the more generic [mount, mounting] tag (:  Not sure what others feel though.  Guess I should hang out in meta more!" CreationDate="2011-02-08T11:33:35.263" UserId="298" />
  <row Id="669" PostId="451" Score="0" Text="I'm looking into this now." CreationDate="2011-02-09T04:59:24.040" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="670" PostId="448" Score="0" Text="Either way, they should be synonyms. The same goes for `umount` and `unmounting` (and perhaps `unmount`, currently unused); the displayed name should not be `umount` because its meaning is less clear than the English words." CreationDate="2011-02-09T23:09:10.073" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="672" PostId="200" Score="0" Text="See [this Server Fault Q/A](http://serverfault.com/questions/214512/everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-about-mod-rewrite-rules-but-were-afraid-to-ask) for a more legible example of a question to rule them all." CreationDate="2011-02-21T23:07:54.317" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="673" PostId="460" Score="1" Text="No, you can only nominate yourself. If someone has nominated themselves, you can post a comment on their nomination expressing support (or not). If you want to prod someone into nominating, contact them in chat, mail, through this answer, or however you choose." CreationDate="2011-02-22T20:56:25.877" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="674" PostId="461" Score="1" Text="http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2006/01/and-a-pony.html" CreationDate="2011-02-22T21:25:25.310" UserId="331" />
  <row Id="675" PostId="459" Score="0" Text="There's a [blog post](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/12/stack-exchange-moderator-elections-begin/) explaining the election in more detail, for those that haven't seen one before" CreationDate="2011-02-22T21:36:27.233" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="676" PostId="460" Score="4" Text="Haha.. Gilles.. I wanted to nomitate you.. matter of fact... As the highest ranking member, certainly one of the most active users and very knowledgeable on nix... please consider nominating yourself..." CreationDate="2011-02-23T09:06:37.457" UserId="1327" />
  <row Id="677" PostId="465" Score="0" Text="OK the count is 4 now, but I'm still curious." CreationDate="2011-02-24T06:22:02.823" UserId="250" />
  <row Id="678" PostId="469" Score="0" Text="You forgot to mention your operating system and what fonts you have installed. I suspect this is a bug in your font or rendering engine — is it really specific to this site? What about other browsers?" CreationDate="2011-02-26T00:18:21.583" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="679" PostId="469" Score="0" Text="@Gilles: Silly me! I guess I left out some important things." CreationDate="2011-02-26T00:19:58.590" UserId="1049" />
  <row Id="680" PostId="471" Score="0" Text="Probably, because I can't even reproduce it myself today :) Thanks anyway." CreationDate="2011-02-26T18:25:25.863" UserId="1049" />
  <row Id="681" PostId="430" Score="0" Text="Didn't we already do this a long time ago?" CreationDate="2011-02-27T11:31:08.657" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="683" PostId="430" Score="0" Text="oh right... and you mention it. It's been ignored by the SO team. Since they have complete control over that, I have no opinion, it would be ignored anyways." CreationDate="2011-02-27T11:39:36.277" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="684" PostId="430" Score="0" Text="@xenoterracide: There were previous threads about 404 and captcha, I started a new one about error, hoping that people would submit ideas. Once the community has made some kind of decision, we can start bugging the team (Jin?) to implement it." CreationDate="2011-02-27T11:47:09.890" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="685" PostId="449" Score="0" Text="I think mounting is silly. stick to mount, I'm ok with tags for specific utilities. anything else can just be filesystems and kernel." CreationDate="2011-02-27T11:48:28.390" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="686" PostId="473" Score="1" Text="[Physics](http://physics.stackexchange.com/) just got a dark theme, and there was considerable complaining :)" CreationDate="2011-02-27T19:58:33.643" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="687" PostId="270" Score="2" Text="lunix would be great! for anyone who has read that [adequacy article](http://www.adequacy.org/stories/2001.12.2.42056.2147.html)." CreationDate="2011-02-27T23:43:03.707" UserId="2729" />
  <row Id="688" PostId="333" Score="7" Text="HURD is definitely unix, because it's supposed to run the GNU userland, HURD is just an alternative free kernel. VMS, not Unix. QNX sounds like a unix (I just glanced at wikipedia) that's not unix to me. didn't unix come from multics?" CreationDate="2011-02-28T02:01:12.483" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="689" PostId="473" Score="3" Text="I like the new physics style - maybe SE sites should think about allowing the user to select which style with a theme switcher." CreationDate="2011-02-28T02:40:58.253" UserId="4049" />
  <row Id="690" PostId="473" Score="0" Text="That would be awesome! There's a [minimalist style](http://stackapps.com/questions/2143/minimaloverflow-a-themescript-for-stackexchange) being worked on now that works cross-site, and could probably be expanded into a magic multi-theme script" CreationDate="2011-02-28T05:03:16.403" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="691" PostId="476" Score="1" Text="unix.SE was an abbreviation of unix.stackexchange. No one was suggesting unix.se as the exact domain name." CreationDate="2011-02-28T14:53:17.060" UserId="2376" />
  <row Id="692" PostId="476" Score="2" Text="Yeah, but it's confusing. And not confusing in a good way — it's parochial and plays up an unfortunate we-are-the-world clique-like aspect of Stack Exchange. Much, much better to use something like unix-SE as shorthand." CreationDate="2011-02-28T15:59:29.710" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="693" PostId="472" Score="0" Text="I'll just have had my wisdom teeth out the day before. My participation will depend slightly on my pain and medication levels. :)" CreationDate="2011-02-28T17:35:06.867" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="694" PostId="472" Score="1" Text="@mattdm New [tagline](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/184/write-an-elevator-pitch-tagline): Unix and Linux -- high medication levels recommended" CreationDate="2011-02-28T18:22:33.500" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="695" PostId="475" Score="0" Text="Sure, I'll do some more work on it and post it, glad you like it!" CreationDate="2011-02-28T19:02:03.957" UserId="4049" />
  <row Id="697" PostId="478" Score="5" Text="Hey, idle curiosity and maybe-it'll-be-useful-later is why I answer, most of the time." CreationDate="2011-02-28T23:10:08.453" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="698" PostId="106" Score="3" Text="Android runs a Linux kernel but little else (most of the OS is written in Java, with an API extending the Java standard library, totally unrelated to the Unix/POSIX API). The N810 and friends run an actual Linux distribution, that's a different kettle of fish." CreationDate="2011-02-28T23:11:54.913" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="699" PostId="117" Score="2" Text="Not really, there's very little unixy in Android outside the kernel." CreationDate="2011-02-28T23:12:10.467" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="700" PostId="106" Score="0" Text="@Gilles True. I actually have an Android phone now, so I'm less confused about the amount of Linux involved" CreationDate="2011-02-28T23:25:45.807" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="701" PostId="476" Score="0" Text="@mattdm [Can StackOverflow Inc. purchase the .se top-level domain?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/73836/can-stackoverflow-inc-purchase-the-se-top-level-domain)" CreationDate="2011-02-28T23:26:56.900" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="702" PostId="476" Score="0" Text="@Gilles — poor Sweden!" CreationDate="2011-02-28T23:31:08.460" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="703" PostId="483" Score="0" Text="I tend to only quote the relevant sections. I also like quoting man pages in tag wiki's, but usually only the top description part." CreationDate="2011-03-01T02:18:06.017" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="704" PostId="476" Score="0" Text="@Gilles: Great.  I'm surprised no one has suggesting suing the current owners of wanted *.se domains because they were squatting in the way of the one true use." CreationDate="2011-03-01T06:57:48.630" UserId="5197" />
  <row Id="705" PostId="482" Score="0" Text="@rebecca so are we supposed to answer these here? or are they going to get asked in the town hall meeting." CreationDate="2011-03-01T09:59:39.003" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="706" PostId="482" Score="0" Text="I think, actually, it might be more useful to ask those questions _as_ questions here on meta. As noted above, I might not be able to attend the chat either, and it's a little awkward to answer an answer." CreationDate="2011-03-01T15:10:02.753" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="707" PostId="473" Score="0" Text="++ switcher with a few optional themes, and a default." CreationDate="2011-03-01T15:21:37.237" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="708" PostId="482" Score="0" Text="@xeno I'll ask them in chat if nobody else does, so one way or another they'll end up there" CreationDate="2011-03-01T19:54:18.190" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="709" PostId="482" Score="1" Text="@mattdm [Josh](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/users/1974/josh) makes digests of the chats and posts them on meta; you can add your answers to that (e.g. fluteflute did that on [Ask Ubuntu](http://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/948/2011-moderator-election-town-hall-chat-digest))" CreationDate="2011-03-01T19:57:14.207" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="711" PostId="488" Score="5" Text="Another case: _replies_ to comments which are obsolete or even deleted." CreationDate="2011-03-02T16:36:20.990" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="712" PostId="489" Score="1" Text="My point is that *what's the content of blah* Comment becomes irrelevant when OP incorporates it in the post. Or do you think the Comment should be kept even in that case?" CreationDate="2011-03-03T03:53:05.147" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="713" PostId="489" Score="4" Text="@Tshepang: Yes, it should be kept, because it shows how the problem was troubleshot, and that's as important as showing the solution." CreationDate="2011-03-03T08:28:08.950" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="714" PostId="493" Score="1" Text="I don't think the problem is &quot;people here&quot; failing to do something, so much as that there's only a handful of people with enough reputation points to do it. That's a situation which will get better." CreationDate="2011-03-03T13:45:35.383" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="715" PostId="493" Score="0" Text="@mattdm Well, in theory we stayed in beta long enough to get people up to 3k (see the bold text in [this post](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/263/beta-progress-importance-of-reputation-and-voting/264#264)). In practice, it looks like having exactly five closers isn't enough, especially when two of them are mods. We're up to 12 total now, but it's still not enough. I think the real cause is the second part of my sentence though -- we just don't have that many posts to close. We don't have migration paths because we legitimately don't need them" CreationDate="2011-03-03T15:00:12.803" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="716" PostId="493" Score="1" Text="It's true, I haven't really seen a lot of questions that are misplaced (and I flag 'em when I do.)" CreationDate="2011-03-03T21:43:44.857" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="717" PostId="496" Score="0" Text="@Josh: please add the clarification to my answer given here: http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/610782#610782 (In short, questions on Ubuntu distro development policies are an example of what I mean by &quot;community issues&quot;)." CreationDate="2011-03-04T16:10:51.570" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="718" PostId="502" Score="0" Text="I do want to add that I wouldn't plan to be heavy-handed with this. Only comments which clearly no longer contribute should go." CreationDate="2011-03-04T16:12:07.077" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="719" PostId="496" Score="0" Text="@mattdm Done, I think.. Is that what you wanted?" CreationDate="2011-03-04T16:25:08.890" UserId="1974" />
  <row Id="720" PostId="496" Score="0" Text="@Josh: well, that leaves out what I was replying to, so it's not a complete clarification. :)" CreationDate="2011-03-04T16:35:24.280" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="721" PostId="496" Score="0" Text="@mattdm better now? I normally leave out anything besides the first reply to a question, I figure that the &quot;answered&quot; links always allow people to dive into the transcript at that point and read more. But it is important to me that I represent you correctly so if you feel my digest did not get your point across just let me know (as you did)" CreationDate="2011-03-04T16:50:19.180" UserId="1974" />
  <row Id="723" PostId="496" Score="0" Text="@matt Maybe there was miscommunication. When I was making an example of Ubuntu's development policy, I was replying your wish to get both sites merged. These questions (e.g. when is X getting released OR why was this distro decision made) are allowed there, but not there." CreationDate="2011-03-04T18:04:09.197" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="724" PostId="496" Score="0" Text="@Tshepang — oh, I see. Honestly, I think accepting questions like that would be a small price to pay for having the sites not split. (Or, _just_ those questions could remain on the specific site. Or we could have one for distro policies in general — Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora, OpenSUSE, whatever.)" CreationDate="2011-03-04T18:22:45.967" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="725" PostId="496" Score="0" Text="@matt I myself am a proponent of having such questions accepted here. See my argument http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/316/should-question-that-could-basically-only-be-accurately-answered-by-the-develope/324#324." CreationDate="2011-03-04T18:36:10.147" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="726" PostId="495" Score="2" Text="Thanks to everyone who participated, and especially to Josh for creating the digest!" CreationDate="2011-03-04T23:35:40.797" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="727" PostId="491" Score="1" Text="I think SF too, IMO" CreationDate="2011-03-05T06:16:57.437" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="728" PostId="493" Score="0" Text="@mattdm and an unfortunate thing about being a mod, we can't vote to close... to see if others agree... our votes are final." CreationDate="2011-03-05T06:18:15.237" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="729" PostId="513" Score="0" Text="Is there a way to get all the useful tools in a feed? Or is that impossible because they require authentication? Oh, and migrated questions don't even appear in the new question feed!" CreationDate="2011-03-07T01:37:15.420" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="730" PostId="513" Score="0" Text="@Gilles They do appear in the feed now; [Tshepang noticed when it happened](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/26?m=535980#535980). I don't know of a way to get 10k lists in a feed, for the reason you said" CreationDate="2011-03-07T03:11:43.290" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="731" PostId="513" Score="0" Text="Maybe they're supposed to, but I see neither of [today's](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/8720/printing-conjunct-unicode-characters-using-single-keystroke) [imports](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/8708/debian-security-etc-permissions) in the [chat](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/620693#620693)." CreationDate="2011-03-07T08:29:31.463" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="732" PostId="514" Score="10" Text="Not the `linux` tag! It's heavily used, and legitimate, to mark questions that are specific to Linux (as opposed to portable between unix variants)." CreationDate="2011-03-07T08:30:33.367" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="733" PostId="514" Score="4" Text="@gilles I'm checking the code and intrinsic tags are mostly checked on migrations. It is not blacklisted for normal questions asked on the site. Let me know if that's not the case but I believe it to be true." CreationDate="2011-03-07T09:06:03.867" UserId="331" />
  <row Id="734" PostId="514" Score="5" Text="I think this makes sense for migrated questions, as people from, for example, SO have no idea about our policy on the linux tag here." CreationDate="2011-03-08T05:53:31.113" UserId="250" />
  <row Id="735" PostId="513" Score="0" Text="@Gilles Oh, interesting. They keep their old timestamps; I  bet they only show up if they're migrated soon enough that they're still newer than the oldest post on the feed" CreationDate="2011-03-08T15:31:56.853" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="736" PostId="515" Score="0" Text="I just want to point out that I do want to do some rewriting of the original question... it's a bit of the 3rd of it's sort... and I'd kinda like to turn it into a beginner faq of where to start." CreationDate="2011-03-08T16:28:45.363" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="737" PostId="515" Score="0" Text="@xenoterracide — sounds good to me. I would like to keep the &quot;How do I get started with Linux&quot; separate from &quot;Give a list of newbie links&quot;, though." CreationDate="2011-03-08T18:31:20.100" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="738" PostId="513" Score="0" Text="[Tshepang requested the feature](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/81113/make-migrated-posts-be-part-of-chat-rss-feed) but went unnoticed." CreationDate="2011-03-08T22:33:37.017" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="739" PostId="515" Score="0" Text="well hopefully resources will be more than just a list of links..." CreationDate="2011-03-09T12:39:23.853" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="740" PostId="515" Score="0" Text="@xenoterracide — I think lists of links are the likely outcome. Maybe some &quot;try to see if there's a local LUG&quot;. Am I crazy in making a &quot;what are resources&quot; / &quot;what should I _do_&quot; distinction?" CreationDate="2011-03-09T12:41:41.190" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="741" PostId="515" Score="0" Text="possibly. What do you do, also depends on how you want to learn, and in some cases what." CreationDate="2011-03-09T13:07:20.850" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="742" PostId="516" Score="2" Text="Note that you can also do [tag:not-root-user], and it automatically links to the relevant tag." CreationDate="2011-03-09T20:03:51.500" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="743" PostId="518" Score="1" Text="That's one of the two main reasons for tags. The other is directing searches, and this tag is helpful for that (it conveys some hard-to-search information)." CreationDate="2011-03-09T21:23:22.543" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="744" PostId="517" Score="0" Text="I agree on all points except that I prefer `not-root-user` as the tag names. I've rolled back the tag addition to [Non-Root Package Managers](http://unix.stackexchange.com/q/5535/250)." CreationDate="2011-03-09T21:25:01.697" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="745" PostId="516" Score="0" Text="@tshepang good tip ;)" CreationDate="2011-03-10T01:44:39.697" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="746" PostId="517" Score="1" Text="@gilles @phunehehe `no-root-access` seems like it might be good, even `without-root`. I dunno, I don't see myself googling &quot;not-root-user&quot; but I might google the other 2 I mentioned." CreationDate="2011-03-10T02:08:36.477" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="747" PostId="517" Score="2" Text="I think I like `without-root`, and perhaps convey's things better. what do you guys think?" CreationDate="2011-03-10T02:23:22.360" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="748" PostId="517" Score="0" Text="@Gilles you meant you rolled back [Prevent non-root user from formatting a partition](http://unix.stackexchange.com/q/6689/250) right?" CreationDate="2011-03-10T02:27:53.737" UserId="250" />
  <row Id="749" PostId="517" Score="2" Text="@xenoterracide I think `without-root` is as good as `non-root`" CreationDate="2011-03-10T02:33:38.020" UserId="250" />
  <row Id="750" PostId="518" Score="4" Text="@gilles I think it is more fair to say that another good use for tags is *grouping similar questions* even if no (sane) user would actually *subscribe* to said tag. This is rather important." CreationDate="2011-03-10T02:53:53.287" UserId="331" />
  <row Id="751" PostId="517" Score="1" Text="@phunehehe but I think that &quot;without root&quot; is the more natural way to convey it in language." CreationDate="2011-03-10T10:35:34.210" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="752" PostId="524" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the pointers! Well, I tend to want to know the pro's and con's of them. Helps in justifying my choice to my bosses :)" CreationDate="2011-03-12T03:29:55.823" UserId="5589" />
  <row Id="753" PostId="526" Score="1" Text="Do you see this anywhere other than in Unix &amp; Linux? I've not seen this neither here nor on Gaming (IE8/XP)" CreationDate="2011-03-16T21:26:17.777" UserDisplayName="Grace Note" />
  <row Id="754" PostId="526" Score="0" Text="Looks fine on **Opera** which means all is well" CreationDate="2011-03-16T21:28:42.780" UserDisplayName="random" />
  <row Id="755" PostId="526" Score="0" Text="@Grace: Oops, you're right, this is specific to U&amp;L. Flagged for migration." CreationDate="2011-03-16T21:37:02.410" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="756" PostId="255" Score="0" Text="Agrred... what else is Carreers for, if not this?" CreationDate="2011-03-17T22:26:05.460" UserId="298" />
  <row Id="758" PostId="524" Score="0" Text="That's bass-ackwards, IMO.  Choose your solution based on your needs; don't choose based on personal prejudices and then seek justification.  And remember that, if the company is already accustomed to one OS, introducing another one should only be done for good reason; among other things, if your coworkers already know how to secure the current system(s), bringing in a different one may open you to security issues due to unfamiliarity.  (This includes Unix-likes; Linux's `iptables` and FreeBSD's `pf` are very different beasts.)" CreationDate="2011-03-18T05:45:50.570" UserId="5325" />
  <row Id="759" PostId="255" Score="2" Text="@gabe.: Careers is for people who want a job now, and these questions are for people who want a job later (i.e. *what skillz do me need*)." CreationDate="2011-03-18T07:05:36.053" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="760" PostId="255" Score="0" Text="As for the 1st point, that is simply a matter of question quality, and such requirement for specifics isn't limited to just Careers. As for the 2nd point, the answer could be useful for someone else." CreationDate="2011-03-18T07:07:47.223" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="761" PostId="533" Score="0" Text="Why even ask. Your answer is wrong even. Note that it can always be undeleted as well." CreationDate="2011-03-18T07:09:25.770" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="762" PostId="530" Score="2" Text="I would caution that always asking questions and never answering is not a good long term participation strategy. Better to mix questions with some answers." CreationDate="2011-03-18T08:42:34.153" UserId="331" />
  <row Id="763" PostId="530" Score="0" Text="@JeffAtwood: Well, unless the questions range from average to excellent." CreationDate="2011-03-18T10:23:19.800" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="764" PostId="530" Score="3" Text="we're going to cap reputation at 500 from users who only ever ask, see http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/81929" CreationDate="2011-03-18T10:44:40.070" UserId="331" />
  <row Id="767" PostId="537" Score="1" Text="But please see my update, I cannot delete the answer because it was accepted." CreationDate="2011-03-18T13:23:59.733" UserId="250" />
  <row Id="768" PostId="533" Score="1" Text="@Tshepang I thought I stressed the &quot;accepted&quot; part, but apparently that wasn't enough." CreationDate="2011-03-18T13:25:12.100" UserId="250" />
  <row Id="769" PostId="533" Score="0" Text="Oh, I didn't know Accepted answers can't be deleted by a normal user. In such a case, just flag it." CreationDate="2011-03-18T13:29:18.290" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="770" PostId="536" Score="0" Text="So according to the chart, all questions should be answered if they're not trivial. Hope I understood it correctly. :) If that's the policy then I don't have any issues. After all it's founders' and community moderators' lookout. Thanks for the response and the chart. :)" CreationDate="2011-03-18T15:05:45.447" UserId="4335" />
  <row Id="771" PostId="538" Score="0" Text="Similar: http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/q/69/688" CreationDate="2011-03-18T15:41:44.787" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="772" PostId="537" Score="2" Text="@phune flag it for moderator attention with an explanation" CreationDate="2011-03-18T18:21:23.507" UserId="331" />
  <row Id="773" PostId="543" Score="0" Text="I cheated, the [original image](http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=faq) was 170x232." CreationDate="2011-03-19T02:47:02.143" UserId="250" />
  <row Id="774" PostId="534" Score="6" Text="Sometimes you query Google, but you don't use the right words. I myself am very lazy, and proud of it. I google, look at a few results, and if I don't find it I go to SE. Next time I look for the same thing, odds are that I will use very similar wording, and this time the SE answer will pop up first." CreationDate="2011-03-22T08:09:50.233" UserId="1594" />
  <row Id="775" PostId="274" Score="0" Text="Linux is **NOT** a UNIX, as opposed to Mac OS X, which *is* a UNIX." CreationDate="2011-03-22T10:02:02.183" UserId="1290" />
  <row Id="776" PostId="274" Score="0" Text="@polemon: Yeah, but it's family. Think of it as an adopted child. It acts like Unix family because it was raised by it." CreationDate="2011-03-22T11:03:27.443" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="777" PostId="536" Score="26" Text="Add to this chart: &quot;Is the answer posted on Expert's Exchange, but only visible if you pay $12?&quot; -&gt; Yes -&gt; For the love of all that is holy, _answer the question_. (Keep knowledge free!)" CreationDate="2011-03-22T16:24:29.137" UserId="5286" />
  <row Id="778" PostId="536" Score="8" Text="@kiv I would file that under &quot;otherwise in need of improvement&quot; :)" CreationDate="2011-03-22T22:01:33.173" UserId="331" />
  <row Id="779" PostId="548" Score="0" Text="That was stopped soon after the first SE site was launched; see [this blog post](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/10/domain-names-the-wrong-question/). In theory we can try to get a separate domain once we have huge amounts of traffic, but I'm not too worried about it" CreationDate="2011-03-24T15:08:26.583" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="780" PostId="535" Score="5" Text="I’ve always thought that if the goal is to stop really basic questions being asked, then answering them was the best way to do that — because then they come up in the auto-search that the ask box performs – as opposed to closing them, which doesn’t prevent anyone asking them in future, and may well put a first-time asker off the site for good. But I do get it’s a tricky balance between the hoards of clueless, inconsiderate casual askers, and the experts you need to make sites like this work." CreationDate="2011-03-29T16:18:52.230" UserId="5646" />
  <row Id="781" PostId="551" Score="0" Text="Thank you, Michael.  I didn't think to check meta.stackexchange." CreationDate="2011-03-31T17:42:06.150" UserId="4194" />
  <row Id="783" PostId="534" Score="2" Text="I've noticed a more nefarious version of this: rather obvious questions being asked that are answered in the first page of google results, that are then answered by the original poster - sometimes very quickly." CreationDate="2011-04-03T20:05:47.180" UserId="36" />
  <row Id="785" PostId="554" Score="0" Text="troubleshooting might be ok if it was referring to something like debugging techniques. but there is already a debugging tag." CreationDate="2011-04-03T20:40:02.193" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="786" PostId="554" Score="0" Text="@Faheem: Troubleshooting and debugging are different. [tag:debugging] makes sense because there are specific tools for debugging (i.e. finding out what a particular program is doing). I don't see the value of [tag:troubleshooting] as a tag: who would subscribe to it, ignore it or search on it?" CreationDate="2011-04-03T20:46:06.100" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="787" PostId="554" Score="0" Text="@Gilles: Agreed." CreationDate="2011-04-03T20:47:42.627" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="788" PostId="554" Score="0" Text="@Gilles: After a quick tag review, I am wondering if a guideline for tag writing exists? If not, would you consider writing one? Eg. what kind of information is appropriate. Also, if you could clarify what purpose the tag information serves. Is this to specify the scope of the tag? Or to tell people what the tag means? I still kind of fuzzy about that." CreationDate="2011-04-04T11:33:59.070" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="789" PostId="554" Score="0" Text="@Faheem: Start with [dmckee's advice](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/69584/tag-wiki-best-practices/69585#69585) and [Jeff's blog post](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2011/03/redesigned-tags-page/), and more generally [the `tag-wiki` tag on the main Meta](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/tag-wiki)." CreationDate="2011-04-04T20:18:16.163" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="790" PostId="554" Score="0" Text="@Gilles: Thank you for the pointers." CreationDate="2011-04-04T20:36:26.877" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="791" PostId="358" Score="0" Text="I don't like `shell-scripting` or `scripting` instead of `shell` and `script`, because it is too long, and doesn't clear things up. If I safe a command, it get's a script, but most of the time it is irrelevant, whether I type the command by hand or use a script. And I would never search for `automation` and didn't see the term often." CreationDate="2011-04-07T15:37:04.933" UserId="4485" />
  <row Id="792" PostId="347" Score="1" Text="Given enough semicolons, you can transform most scripts to one-liners." CreationDate="2011-04-07T15:40:34.960" UserId="4485" />
  <row Id="793" PostId="555" Score="0" Text="Regarding *ole offtopic posts should not be migrated*, there is hardly community consensus given the one example you cited. I don't like the policy BTW." CreationDate="2011-04-09T00:33:18.183" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="794" PostId="555" Score="0" Text="That reset of the downvote was because the downvote was for offtopic-ness." CreationDate="2011-04-09T00:34:57.760" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="795" PostId="555" Score="0" Text="@Tshepang: I've seen other questions on MSO with the same conclusion, I just suck at finding posts on MSO." CreationDate="2011-04-09T00:44:58.867" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="796" PostId="556" Score="1" Text="I don't like that because it feels too aggressive against the answerer, and disproportionate (the answer is not top-notch, but it's not wrong either, just not very good). And it doesn't solve the problem of vote skew compared to answers on other questions." CreationDate="2011-04-09T00:46:36.620" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="797" PostId="556" Score="2" Text="I'm actually leaning towards *migration should reset all voting*." CreationDate="2011-04-09T00:51:30.587" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="798" PostId="557" Score="0" Text="I also see this scrollbar, in Chrome 11.0.696.34 *and* in Firefox 3.0.6 on Linux. I also see a scrollbar on AU, but not on beta sites, TCS, English or the trilogy." CreationDate="2011-04-10T16:06:04.333" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="799" PostId="557" Score="0" Text="Yes, on AU and both sites' metas. Do you also get the unicorn?" CreationDate="2011-04-10T16:28:25.997" UserId="423" />
  <row Id="800" PostId="555" Score="0" Text="@Gilles: I don't know if you are looking for votes, but personally I like the idea of voting to reset to 0 on migration. After all, it was not voted on here. I also assume that the reputation is not taken away on migration from the people who got it? That is the way SX seems to work, reputation once granted is not taken away. Though if that is the case, I wonder what the record points to once the questions have been migrated." CreationDate="2011-04-11T20:11:00.907" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="801" PostId="559" Score="0" Text="The problem isn't so much killing the tag as deciding what to replace it with so that askers have a chance of figuring out what to use. [tag:shell] is huge, I think it's worth having additional tags for well-identified subsets such as [tag:quoting], [tag:command-history], …, including the `cd` command." CreationDate="2011-04-11T21:31:00.293" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="802" PostId="560" Score="0" Text="`cd` isn't specifically a bash built-in, it's a built-in in every shell, and I do think it deserves a tag (common with `pushd` and friends, probably)." CreationDate="2011-04-11T21:32:02.460" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="803" PostId="555" Score="0" Text="@Faheem: On the contrary, reputation *is* taken away, and that's the way SE generally works. For example, if a user is deleted, all his/her votes are taken away as well. For performance reasons, this may not happen immediately, only when a recalc is performed." CreationDate="2011-04-11T21:33:51.820" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="804" PostId="556" Score="3" Text="@Tshepang: [So am I, more and more.](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/87031/reset-votes-on-migrated-questions)" CreationDate="2011-04-11T23:31:46.967" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="805" PostId="556" Score="0" Text="@gil this would strip all rep from the question, which would lead to some pissed-off users. I think your warning is ok if you remove &quot;sucks&quot; so I will edit your post :)" CreationDate="2011-04-12T00:32:49.947" UserId="331" />
  <row Id="806" PostId="556" Score="4" Text="@Jeff: I'll take good content over happy users any day. I don't notice authors of migrated posts rushing to create an account on U&amp;L, either, though I guess this would only happen on their next rep recalc." CreationDate="2011-04-12T00:51:01.500" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="807" PostId="536" Score="0" Text="I think this is the right way to go about this problem. I believe Google's algorithms put a lot of stock in stackexchange content. Having well-answered questions available on stackexchange sites via Google searches is surely a good thing." CreationDate="2011-04-12T07:06:11.187" UserId="5770" />
  <row Id="808" PostId="556" Score="0" Text="@JeffAtwood: good edit." CreationDate="2011-04-12T07:22:05.637" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="809" PostId="555" Score="0" Text="@Gilles: If you think the answer is poor, I think it would be legitimate (though others might disagree) to post a comment pointing out the problems with the answer. In such a case, I for one, would be interested. And thank you for the clarification about reputation. I guess I had a mistaken impression." CreationDate="2011-04-12T19:42:50.777" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="810" PostId="564" Score="0" Text="is Sweden even a real country? I have my doubts. http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/73836/can-stackoverflow-inc-purchase-the-se-top-level-domain/81715#81715" CreationDate="2011-04-13T10:19:27.453" UserId="331" />
  <row Id="811" PostId="565" Score="9" Text="Yes, please remove `linux`. Linux is only a subset of the site's topic (a very large subset, but still a subset). It's normal to have it as a tag." CreationDate="2011-04-13T11:11:11.000" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="812" PostId="564" Score="3" Text="@Jeff: Note how I refrained from suggesting the compromise of including both the E and the X." CreationDate="2011-04-13T11:12:08.767" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="813" PostId="565" Score="2" Text="@gilles OK done" CreationDate="2011-04-13T11:20:51.267" UserId="331" />
  <row Id="814" PostId="550" Score="2" Text="Don't worry the first couple badges are kind of just trivial things that they throw around to get you used to the system. Do things, ear rep / get noted for it. Being a critic just means you are participating, which you obviously deserve for being here asking about it :)" CreationDate="2011-04-16T17:06:00.820" UserId="1925" />
  <row Id="815" PostId="564" Score="3" Text="I use Unix SE with a space... no . or - needed." CreationDate="2011-04-17T10:30:04.570" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="816" PostId="564" Score="0" Text="didn't that used to be an alt. newsgroup?" CreationDate="2011-04-17T10:30:58.703" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="817" PostId="566" Score="1" Text="I get the impression that most users on U&amp;L are end-people (developers *on* unix, sysadmins, hobbyists) rather than people who make unix and tend to speak at conferences (developers *of* unix, academics)." CreationDate="2011-04-17T15:46:52.983" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="818" PostId="566" Score="1" Text="@gilles that's fine, we're just putting it out there as a possibility for the community" CreationDate="2011-04-17T22:32:58.377" UserId="331" />
  <row Id="819" PostId="332" Score="2" Text="http://jtnimoy.net/workviewer.php?q=178 has a story from one of the effects creators on the commands they used, including `emacs`." CreationDate="2011-04-19T02:30:47.580" UserId="146" />
  <row Id="820" PostId="207" Score="7" Text="And, lo, top result in Google for both `grep ^d` and `&quot;grep ^d&quot;` is now the question linked above." CreationDate="2011-04-19T11:09:49.467" UserId="4750" />
  <row Id="821" PostId="569" Score="0" Text="Yes, there is a clear distinction, but perhaps not everyone is aware of it.  Configuring the console is different from configuring a terminal, so having separate tags would help filter out all unrelated questions, assuming the tag is used correctly." CreationDate="2011-04-19T23:01:58.770" UserId="3169" />
  <row Id="822" PostId="569" Score="0" Text="People who would subscribe: probably not. For searching, it's valuable. Quick, tell me how to find all the questions about the Linux console. Ok, it's [not so bad](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/terminal+linux) because there's someone who actively removes the linux tag from non-linux-specific questions, but [tag:console] would scale better. (And 26 renames? I suspect I've done more `terminal`→`shell` retags than that.)" CreationDate="2011-04-19T23:04:38.940" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="823" PostId="569" Score="1" Text="@Gilles I realize it would *let* you find questions about the console; I'm asking if that's actually important. Is it a common need to find all questions about Linux consoles but not about terminals in general? We have to weigh that against the odds that without the synonym, people are likely to tag questions incorrectly (and that's not even factoring `shell` into this, which is probably even worse) -- is it worth the added overhead of manually keeping them straight?" CreationDate="2011-04-19T23:09:14.727" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="824" PostId="569" Score="0" Text="If there are people asking, there are (or should be, but we tag because we assume there are) people searching. Also, it's easier to periodically go over the smaller `console` tag and retag the generalizable questions, than to go over the larger `terminal` tag and retag the specialized questions." CreationDate="2011-04-19T23:14:08.733" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="825" PostId="571" Score="0" Text="StackApplet is a tiny notification icon that sits in your tray and allows you to keep track of your reputation on this and other StackExchange sites. You will receive notifications of comments people post to you as well as reputation and answers to your questions." CreationDate="2011-04-20T04:44:07.983" UserId="1049" />
  <row Id="826" PostId="571" Score="0" Text="...and it should run on any version of Linux / Unix (since it's written entirely in Python). I have `.RPM` and `.DEB` packages on the Launchpad page." CreationDate="2011-04-20T04:46:12.660" UserId="1049" />
  <row Id="827" PostId="570" Score="0" Text="idk, I've mostly felt `console` and `terminal` are interchangeable terms... which may refer to different things... but like `geek` and `nerd` the precise meaning depends on who you ask. Such as I think `Virtual Terminal` means similar to `console` but is obviously not an `xterm`." CreationDate="2011-04-20T13:22:59.403" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="828" PostId="573" Score="2" Text="We're *mostly* a subset of SU, but we don't make an SU/SF distinction. We also accept unix questions about all kinds of devices, including mobile phones and embedded devices that are off-topic on SU." CreationDate="2011-04-22T23:21:19.320" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="829" PostId="573" Score="0" Text="...that being said, if you *do* have a question about Ubuntu, you'll likely get a quicker answer on [Ask Ubuntu](http://askubuntu.com) due to its more specific nature. By the same token, you're more likely to get a quick answer here about Linux than SuperUser since the topics here are a subset of those on SuperUser." CreationDate="2011-04-23T00:22:15.780" UserId="1049" />
  <row Id="830" PostId="574" Score="3" Text="This doesn't answer &quot;Why the need?&quot; nor &quot;Isn't requiring users to make these sometimes fine-grained distinctions (or to have to go around asking questions about asking questions) rather user-unfriendly?&quot;" CreationDate="2011-04-23T01:59:07.000" UserDisplayName="user6860" />
  <row Id="831" PostId="573" Score="5" Text="This doesn't answer &quot;Why the need?&quot; nor &quot;Isn't requiring users to make these sometimes fine-grained distinctions (or to have to go around asking questions about asking questions) rather user-unfriendly?&quot;" CreationDate="2011-04-23T01:59:50.527" UserDisplayName="user6860" />
  <row Id="832" PostId="575" Score="0" Text="Many of the responses to the pieces you've linked to, especially on Robert's post ([Unix and Ubuntu: Why Both?](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/08/unix-and-ubuntu-why-both/)) seem to validate my question. I think your last point is easily explained: Area 51 didn't exist when SO was getting of the ground, so people had to choose between co-operating or going elsewhere entirely. Area 51 opened the floodgates to SE ghettoisation, in my view." CreationDate="2011-04-23T07:30:27.360" UserDisplayName="user6860" />
  <row Id="833" PostId="575" Score="0" Text="I guess that sort of ghettoisation makes people who like ghettoisation (people who like homophily, basically) feel at home, though :) You can probably tell from my previous comment that I'm not convinced opening another site helps the problem of SU answer quality. I'm not even convinced it was a serious problem. If you believe it *was* a serious problem, and that forking helped, please could you provide some evidence to back that up? Thanks." CreationDate="2011-04-23T08:14:09.710" UserDisplayName="user6860" />
  <row Id="834" PostId="574" Score="1" Text="@sampablokuper: I find it a lot easier to understand U&amp;L's topic than SU's (why are PDA's off-topic, but home routers on-topic? Why do questions about site-specific web browser extensions get rejected by both Webapps and SU? Where does SU end and SF begin?). Also, I used to follow unix questions at SU, and gave up because it was too much work (even with `windows*` in my ignored tags, that left a lot of badly-tagged questions to go through). Between U&amp;L and SU, I choose U&amp;L." CreationDate="2011-04-23T12:18:55.197" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="835" PostId="575" Score="0" Text="I can't offer you evidence, but I can challenge you to ask other people who have experienced both SU and U&amp;L. Ask on the respective chats. Also, you might wanna go onto these sites and look at some tags (e.g. [linux]), and compare the answer quality of, say, the 100 most recent questions). That's not scientific of course, but it's a start." CreationDate="2011-04-23T12:29:19.443" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="836" PostId="575" Score="0" Text="And no, I'm not saying opening yet-another-site automatically helps with answer quality (I myself prefer fewer larger sites). I'm just saying, if it does, why not?" CreationDate="2011-04-23T12:30:37.007" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="837" PostId="574" Score="0" Text="@Gillies, sounds like you're saying the arbitrary nature of the ghettoisation between Webapps, SU and SF was a major problem for your enjoyment of those sites, and that you've settled here because it provides a better-defined ghetto, meaning there's less confusion about what's on-topic. Have I understood correctly?" CreationDate="2011-04-23T15:09:51.207" UserDisplayName="user6860" />
  <row Id="838" PostId="574" Score="4" Text="@sampablokuper You're too hung up on the edges between sites. We could have one site that answers all questions in the universe (essentially Yahoo! Answers), and we could go the other way and have one site per application. SE tries to go somewhere in the middle and have comprehensive sites on big topics, without being so big that most of the questions a given person sees are about things they've never heard of. The site founders felt Unix/Linux was a broad topic that warranted a dedicated site. In my opinion SU is *too* broad; if it were proposed on Area 51 today it probably wouldn't make it" CreationDate="2011-04-23T15:15:39.957" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="839" PostId="574" Score="3" Text="@sampablokuper: No. I don't consider any SE 2.0 site a ghetto, that's *your* invective. I used to be active at SU and stopped mainly because finding the posts that interested me there was too much work. Compared with that, the fuzziness about SU's topic is merely an occasional annoyance." CreationDate="2011-04-23T15:16:41.493" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="840" PostId="574" Score="1" Text="@Michael, I wouldn't be so concerned if it weren't for repeatedly getting cut, and seeing others get cut, on those edges." CreationDate="2011-04-23T15:20:13.897" UserDisplayName="user6860" />
  <row Id="841" PostId="574" Score="2" Text="@sampablokuper I'm not sure why posting a question on the right site is so difficult, nor why getting it wrong is such a problem -- that site will just move the question to the site it should've been on. There's pretty much no way to lose here" CreationDate="2011-04-23T15:24:49.290" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="842" PostId="574" Score="1" Text="@Gillies, it's appropriate terminology when members of a community are told, essentially, &quot;If you like *such-and-such*, then you'd better go over there. If you like *so-and-so*, then you can stay here. And if you can't reliably tell, or don't agree with, the claimed differences, then you'll be censured.&quot; That aside, I'm baffled by your phrase, &quot;finding the posts that interested me [on SU] was too much work&quot;. How so? And: why restrict yourself to SU when searching for questions/answers on a given topic? Was Google not your friend?" CreationDate="2011-04-23T15:30:29.207" UserDisplayName="user6860" />
  <row Id="843" PostId="574" Score="1" Text="@Michael, it's been admitted by mods elsewhere on SE meta sites that they'll sometimes just close/delete questions rather than moving them. So yes, it's possible to lose. To avoid that, I've sometimes mentioned in my questions that I'd prefer them to be migrated rather than closed if they're deemed off-topic, &amp; I've seen them downvoted for that. Again: it's possible to lose. It's difficult because the topic guidance in the FAQs is typically worded broadly but can be interpreted very narrowly and in ways that can come as quite a shock to users with *different* interpretations of the guidance." CreationDate="2011-04-23T15:35:52.090" UserDisplayName="user6860" />
  <row Id="844" PostId="574" Score="1" Text="@sampablokuper Well, I'm sorry you've apparently been running into sites with lazy 3k users/mods, but if you think your question is on-topic here, just post it -- we're pretty open about scope, most questions that get closed here were for other reasons (not a real question, subjective, etc. -- things that would get it closed on any SE site). If it belongs somewhere else, we'll migrate it. Yes, having more sites means it's harder to know which site your question is best on, but I still prefer it this way, and SE 2.0 has been around for about a year now, so it's really too late to change it" CreationDate="2011-04-23T15:53:51.840" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="846" PostId="574" Score="0" Text="@Michael: it's harder this way, but you still prefer it this way? Maybe that's that kind of masochism I should expect on a Unix &amp; Linux site ;) /Jk." CreationDate="2011-04-23T16:06:59.363" UserDisplayName="user6860" />
  <row Id="847" PostId="574" Score="2" Text="@sampablokuper Well, it's not without benefits; other posts on this thread explain why people like separate sites. I never followed SU because it was too broad; I rarely knew the answers to questions. Here I almost always have some idea. It's slightly harder for askers, but hopefully much better for answerers, which means askers will get better answers in the long run" CreationDate="2011-04-23T16:09:11.703" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="848" PostId="574" Score="0" Text="@Michael, you might be close to answering my questions to @Gillies in the comment above in which I mentioned that his assertion baffled me. Was your experience similar to his? Are you able to answer those questions from your perspective? Thanks." CreationDate="2011-04-24T14:58:56.790" UserDisplayName="user6860" />
  <row Id="849" PostId="577" Score="0" Text="Glad to know I'm not the only one here who recognises that the knee-jerk &quot;What you're asking for is Yahoo! Answers&quot; response is a canard. Funnily enough, Joel [Spolsky acknowledged the value of avoiding ghettoisation](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/21252/isnt-stackoverflow-becoming-too-generic/21273#21273) a couple of years ago. It's a pity the inclusive attitude he expressed in that answer seems to have fallen by the wayside." CreationDate="2011-04-24T20:55:29.513" UserDisplayName="user6860" />
  <row Id="850" PostId="576" Score="0" Text="The trilogy FAQs have lines like &quot;If your question would be of interest to... Professional and enthusiast programmers, ask on Stack Overflow.&quot;; I can't remember if SE2 sites ever did" CreationDate="2011-04-25T02:47:31.357" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="851" PostId="203" Score="0" Text="@Stefan: Great quote. Often I'm embarrassed to ask a question because I know that others will see it as being a pretty simple thing. Other times I'll see another user post up something that I understand and it's simple (for me). It's a pleasure to answer those questions. I guess I'm agreeing with @alex above. There are 2 types of questions that perhaps should be 'rejected': a) those that are blatant point farming exercises; and b) those where the poster took about 5 seconds to bash something out with no regard to how hard it will be for other users to read." CreationDate="2011-04-25T03:18:23.603" UserId="5770" />
  <row Id="852" PostId="580" Score="0" Text="We coordinate with the source site's mods when we reverse migrations, so that's not really a concern. I was going to leave it until Jeff commented, but I think I'm just going to do it now as long as the SO mods are fine with it. (**Edit**: it's back on SO now)" CreationDate="2011-04-25T20:02:50.947" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="855" PostId="576" Score="0" Text="@Michael: Has this ever been in the FAQ? (I thought I remembered it in the mod-editable part.)" CreationDate="2011-04-25T22:37:39.803" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="857" PostId="576" Score="0" Text="[Doesn't look like it](http://unix.stackexchange.com/posts/3258/revisions)" CreationDate="2011-04-25T23:32:32.490" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="860" PostId="578" Score="0" Text="@caleb if it helps in any way, we are aware of problems specific to the author of that question and are taking action. I'm curious if you've noticed problems outside of that user?" CreationDate="2011-04-26T01:20:10.360" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="861" PostId="578" Score="0" Text="@caleb I should also note I'm a fan of the `homework` tag, esp if the question obviously comes from something like a textbook" CreationDate="2011-04-26T01:35:21.247" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="863" PostId="577" Score="1" Text="@sampa just because skiiers and snowboarders both go downhill very fast on snow does not mean they are the same community." CreationDate="2011-04-26T09:37:20.617" UserId="331" />
  <row Id="864" PostId="575" Score="0" Text="What binds communities together is that they love the same things, and have common enemies ... plus or minus 20%. For Stack Overflow, that is great code and bad programmers respectively. Super User is for generalists who love all forms of computing and own a Mac, a PC and a Linux box." CreationDate="2011-04-26T09:40:00.833" UserId="331" />
  <row Id="865" PostId="592" Score="0" Text="huh, used to be that the trilogy sites were all listed in the FAQ, they've changed that." CreationDate="2011-04-26T09:50:21.700" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="866" PostId="574" Score="1" Text="@sampablokuper: You might have missed the part that @Gilles is actually the top answerer here. What he meant is that the loves solving people's problems, and this exercise was harder for him on SU, because the job of filtering the other stuff he isn't expert at was taking a toll on him." CreationDate="2011-04-26T09:52:41.563" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="867" PostId="577" Score="0" Text="@Jeff, and..? They still share many of the same slopes, lifts, stores, chalets &amp; other facilities, &amp; may well take an interest in the other group's activities. By the same token, just because Pythonistas and Java junkies write computer programs does not mean they are the same community. (I've seen enough &quot;my stack is great, your stack sucks&quot; from users of particular Python web frameworks directed against users of other ones, let alone at Java programmers.) Ditto re: users of other programming/scripting languages. But Joel explicitly states that this *isn't* reason enough to separate them." CreationDate="2011-04-26T10:22:18.653" UserDisplayName="user6860" />
  <row Id="868" PostId="577" Score="0" Text="@sampa but they are, because they have the same shared goals (write great code) and the same common enemies (bad programmers). It's also helpful to think of this in terms of job title. Super User = desktop support or IT tech, Server Fault = sysadmin, Android = phone gadget enthusiast." CreationDate="2011-04-26T10:35:56.673" UserId="331" />
  <row Id="869" PostId="577" Score="0" Text="@Jeff, I could equally say skiers and snowboarders have the same shared goals (attach slippery boards to feet, slide over snow) and the same common enemies (ice; hot weather; trees). As for the job titles you've given me here, they contradict at least one of ***your own FAQs!*** http://serverfault.com/faq says, &quot;Server Fault is for system administrators and *desktop support* professionals,&quot; but above, you said the latter was a job title to associate instead with Super User. Really, if even you can't get straight in your mind which site to use when, I think I rest my case." CreationDate="2011-04-26T10:52:10.780" UserDisplayName="user6860" />
  <row Id="870" PostId="575" Score="0" Text="@Jeff, I don't own a PC or a Linux box. Does that mean I'm disqualified from participating in SU? I don't think there's consensus on what bad programming is; witness the Lisp way vs the Unix way, &amp; similar discussions. Does that mean I'm disqualified from participating in SO? I sure hope not, because I reckon I've gained more than I've lost on both sites (though the ghettoisation has certainly wasted a lot of my time), &amp; because my gradually increasing scores suggest my efforts on them have been, overall, appreciated as intended: helpful rather than hindering." CreationDate="2011-04-26T11:05:16.260" UserDisplayName="user6860" />
  <row Id="871" PostId="574" Score="0" Text="@Tshepang, thanks for that clarification about @Gillies. It's still unclear to me why it would be much work, though. After all, Unix questions and Linux questions on SU do tend to end up being tagged with &quot;Unix&quot; and &quot;Linux&quot; respectively." CreationDate="2011-04-26T11:17:45.500" UserDisplayName="user6860" />
  <row Id="872" PostId="575" Score="1" Text="@Jeff, I also wouldn't say I love all forms of computing. Not by a long shot." CreationDate="2011-04-26T11:19:47.043" UserDisplayName="user6860" />
  <row Id="873" PostId="575" Score="1" Text="@Tshepang, if the quality of Unix answers &amp; Linux answers on SU really is lower, as you suggest, than it is on Unix_SE, and yet Unix questions &amp; Linux questions are still being accepted on SU, then this is a user unfriendly outcome: the poor users asking Unix or Linux questions on SU are being done a disservice. Either the sites should be merged (with UI enhancements as required to make finding *nix questions easier for super-answerers like @Gilles; more powerful combinatorial filtering by tags, perhaps), or the *nix questions on SU should be migrated to Unix_SE. I favour the former." CreationDate="2011-04-26T12:43:40.590" UserDisplayName="user6860" />
  <row Id="874" PostId="575" Score="0" Text="@sampablokuper: If there's going to be UI enhancements for superior filtering, why not just keep the sites separate in the first place? What's the difference? Are we now going to be asking users who are only interested in Unix to use this and that tag, instead of just asking them to use this and that site. I understand that there's a compromise here, but you would rather have that than having potential users going elsewhere. With U&amp;L we are probably attracting people who, when facing SU wouldn't even bother being part of SE community. This is just speculation of course, for I have no data." CreationDate="2011-04-26T13:02:53.397" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="875" PostId="575" Score="2" Text="@Tshepang, I've explained why: because if you're right about the relative quality of answers, then SU users (who might not be aware of U&amp;L or of that difference in answer quality) asking questions about Linux or Unix are being done a disservice by SE: their answers are being accepted on an SE site that actually won't answer them very well. After all, isn't the SE network supposed to help users with reasonable questions get the best answers its members can offer?" CreationDate="2011-04-26T13:17:59.313" UserDisplayName="user6860" />
  <row Id="876" PostId="575" Score="1" Text="@sampablokuper: Oh, now I get it. I was a bit lost. I myself would actually like Unix/Linux questions migrated here or at least have them be offtopic on SU (if it's really the case that U&amp;L does indeed offer better quality answers)." CreationDate="2011-04-26T15:19:04.840" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="877" PostId="577" Score="0" Text="@sampa shrug. If it doesn't work for you, why are you here? We believe the best communities form around specific topics, even when there is mild overlap. If you believe otherwise, well.. perhaps you should seek out happiness in other places on the internet?" CreationDate="2011-04-26T19:48:36.640" UserId="331" />
  <row Id="878" PostId="577" Score="0" Text="@Jeff,you're repeating yourself,I'm afraid. I've addressed those points in other replies to you,&amp; I'm sorry you've been dismissive &amp; unappreciative of my well-intentioned feedback. But I'll expand on those answers in saying this: before the schisms and the resulting ghettoisation, SO was magnificent. The combination of inclusivity, an ergonomic UI, OpenID logins, uncluttered design, a reasonable incentive scheme, the ability to contribute to &amp; revise old Q's &amp; A's in the light of new information, made it a Q&amp;A site *par excellence*. I want that restored, both for my benefit &amp; the community's." CreationDate="2011-04-26T21:44:03.783" UserDisplayName="user6860" />
  <row Id="879" PostId="577" Score="0" Text="@sampa we'll have to agree to disagree then. Based on our traffic data, and a broad collection of sentiment sampling on meta.so, I don't think there's any data to support your assertions. You want us to build a truck when we're building a car -- rather than yelling at the car dealer, which is pointless, *go buy a truck*." CreationDate="2011-04-26T22:29:25.363" UserId="331" />
  <row Id="880" PostId="577" Score="1" Text="@Jeff, that's ridiculously condescending." CreationDate="2011-04-26T22:50:48.953" UserDisplayName="user6860" />
  <row Id="881" PostId="577" Score="0" Text="@sampa I've had this discussion about a hundred times already, so apologies if I get a little frustrated in explaining the same thing to the same people over and over." CreationDate="2011-04-26T23:17:26.587" UserId="331" />
  <row Id="882" PostId="577" Score="0" Text="@Jeff apologies accepted. Now, forgive me for stating the obvious, but if you've had this discussion with numerous others whose sentiments are similar to mine... there's your data, right there. As a lolcat might say: it's in ur conversations, supporting my assertions :)" CreationDate="2011-04-26T23:53:23.203" UserDisplayName="user6860" />
  <row Id="883" PostId="577" Score="0" Text="@sampa it's a deeply held misconception. Which is why we're successful; the &quot;obvious&quot; way leads to Yahoo Answers wastelands. I strongly encourage our competitors to follow this obvious strategy you're outlining. Really. It works well -- go for it!" CreationDate="2011-04-27T00:34:07.970" UserId="331" />
  <row Id="884" PostId="577" Score="3" Text="@Jeff, if you think all that prevents SE from becoming &quot;Yahoo Answers wastelands&quot; is ghettoisation, then you're bizarrely undervaluing many other properties of the SE sites. It really does strike me as very odd that you should do this, especially in the light of the comment by Joel that I linked to earlier." CreationDate="2011-04-27T01:16:16.703" UserDisplayName="user6860" />
  <row Id="885" PostId="578" Score="2" Text="@zenoterracide: Yes actually I've seen other cases, but I brought it up now because of how blatant this one was. I'll add links to the discussion if I run across more in the future. I would like to point out that **my question is not only directed at the homework issue**; sometimes people come through that really just want a script coded up for them and don't expend any energy understanding or applying the concepts in the answers. They complain that the relevant code that does get suggested is incomplete or not exactly what they needed." CreationDate="2011-04-27T09:28:54.427" UserId="1925" />
  <row Id="886" PostId="574" Score="0" Text="I do use Linux as my productivity desktop at work.  At the same time I use Linux on various servers at work as well as at home (some of the home servers are old laptops).  I deal with Linux in an environment where there are quite a lot of cases which is a combination of desktop environment and server environment. For the need to discuss those topics without the burden to decide where to sort it (Server issue? Desktop issue?), I think U&amp;L is a perfect fit." CreationDate="2011-04-27T16:30:24.213" UserId="6851" />
  <row Id="887" PostId="578" Score="1" Text="@Caleb - I hope that I'm not being bunched in with this group. I don't think I am but if I were I'd like to be told. I've learned a huge amount from this site in a short period but I do realize that I'm amongst the most noobish of users on here. I'm in awe of some of the users' knowledge and what may seem trivial for you, may be a puzzle wrapped in an enigma for someone like me. I like the 'homework' tag idea but I also think it's important to contact users that are seen to be abusing the system." CreationDate="2011-04-28T02:39:41.650" UserId="5770" />
  <row Id="888" PostId="578" Score="6" Text="I'd encourage you to downvote any questions that you feel are particularly egregious &quot;no reasonable effort shown&quot;. A strong asymmetry of effort in asking and answering is unsustainable and should be discouraged." CreationDate="2011-04-28T06:41:03.573" UserId="331" />
  <row Id="889" PostId="578" Score="2" Text="@boehj: No I don't think this applies to you. It's not a crime to be a noob :) At least the questions I remember seeing from you it looked like you were actually trying to understand what was going on. My concern is more for people who want the answer for the sake of moving on and would prefer somebody else does both the learning and actual work." CreationDate="2011-04-28T07:22:39.310" UserId="1925" />
  <row Id="890" PostId="595" Score="4" Text="I often don't mind writing people's script for them actually, but this is a repeat offender who's been posting his homework for a couple of months and has clearly made zero progress, so all he's getting now from me is downvotes or NaRQ closes." CreationDate="2011-04-28T22:19:57.703" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="891" PostId="599" Score="0" Text="Well, Gilles, your answer here about the missing '.txt' could have been a comment to my post, instead of deleting it. I can't ses other, deleted answers, so I don't see how my answer compares to them. Why do you believe the second part is irrelevant in the context? It was asked for it. And file* would match file-1.txt or file-foobar.txt which is a broader pattern than what the asker introduced, so it is you who is wrong here." CreationDate="2011-04-29T00:13:51.460" UserId="4485" />
  <row Id="892" PostId="598" Score="0" Text="Why do you believe the couple of files are irrelevant in the context? The only difference between string1-n and file1-n I see, is, that string is mentioned first. Maybe it's only about grepping multiple strings, but why did AbraKdabra then mention the files, and emphasise them in a code block? And some people might prefer egrep over grep -E, some may prefer the other way, maybe most people aren't interested. I'm a friend of pluralism and free choice, and never saw such deletion before. I thought the up- and down-voting system is meant to find out what the most valuable posts are." CreationDate="2011-04-29T00:19:59.770" UserId="4485" />
  <row Id="893" PostId="599" Score="0" Text="Sorry - &quot;it's you, who is wrong here, too. I would like to update my posting to say 'file{1..3}.txt, which was wrong, too.'" CreationDate="2011-04-29T00:23:32.187" UserId="4485" />
  <row Id="894" PostId="598" Score="2" Text="@user You've never seen such deletion before because usually mods wouldn't leave a comment, they'd just kill it. Code blocks aren't for &quot;emphasis&quot;, and anyway the author didn't include one originally, [I added it](http://unix.stackexchange.com/posts/12219/revisions) when I formatted his post. I think you're reading too much into his particular example; he's got some strings, and he needs to search some files. The odds that he actually has exactly three files named &quot;file1.txt&quot;, &quot;file2.txt&quot;, &quot;file3.txt&quot; is pretty low" CreationDate="2011-04-29T00:35:10.197" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="895" PostId="598" Score="1" Text="It's pure speculation, but in many cases, you can change your work flow, if you know, there is a convenient way to address your files as file{1..999}.txt, you might name them this way in future. Did you think of it this way? I found this comment http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/578/at-what-level-does-do-x-for-me-become-off-topic/595#595 from Jeff Atwood, and don't like to invest some time in writing an answer, testing it, and lay it out, to have it deleted because somebody interpreted the question differently, and expects me to guess, what the minimum difference is, needed to ..." CreationDate="2011-04-29T00:48:39.913" UserId="4485" />
  <row Id="896" PostId="598" Score="0" Text="... justify an alternative answer. Please note, that I appreciate the pluralism of answers and voted 3 of the other answers up, because they teached **me** something new; well, two of them - the -f-option was new for me." CreationDate="2011-04-29T00:52:51.113" UserId="4485" />
  <row Id="897" PostId="598" Score="1" Text="@user I like a bunch of answers too, if they actually answer the question in different ways. The only thing your answer introduces is the `file{1..3}` syntax, which I still maintain has almost nothing to do with the question -- the filenames he provided were just an example. I undeleted your answer since you want it back so badly, but I still think it's a duplicate of other answers that were posted hours before" CreationDate="2011-04-29T01:59:59.060" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="898" PostId="598" Score="0" Text="Well, I thank you, and I still think there are two variations in my answer, and your impression, that the second is of no interest, is purely subjective - my impression differs. If you like to investigate my answers here, as well as in AU, SE, CR, CG and so on, I only write an answer, to introduce a new aspect. I never repeat postings just to write 'me too!' - au contraire, I hate postings which only repeat the same answer again, but of course, most of them are only minutes apart." CreationDate="2011-04-29T03:49:01.293" UserId="4485" />
  <row Id="899" PostId="595" Score="4" Text="@gilles I know you know this, but questions closed as &quot;off topic&quot; or NARQ get a free downvote from community; that's crucial because in general there is not enough downvoting on questions." CreationDate="2011-04-29T05:02:26.157" UserId="331" />
  <row Id="900" PostId="600" Score="0" Text="[possible duplicate](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/q/69/29)? [this question](http://unix.stackexchange.com/q/1203/29) was a long time ago." CreationDate="2011-04-30T19:25:14.150" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="901" PostId="600" Score="0" Text="@xenoterracide: Thanks for the reference. No, that's not what I'm asking about, see my edit (recommendations ≠ information)." CreationDate="2011-04-30T19:32:07.330" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="902" PostId="601" Score="0" Text="so probably two canonical questions as outlined in point #1 and #2 -- I think that should cover the vast majority of it" CreationDate="2011-04-30T20:12:01.663" UserId="331" />
  <row Id="903" PostId="603" Score="0" Text="I'd rather leave a question concerning grub error tagged merely as [tag:grub]." CreationDate="2011-05-01T18:30:43.460" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="904" PostId="603" Score="0" Text="Outside of KP's ... I would consider `crash` a valid tag for a program that just die's for whatever reason." CreationDate="2011-05-01T19:10:18.090" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="905" PostId="601" Score="0" Text="Generally agree. I'd add wireless NICs to the list that require more specific questions. It'd be nice to know which chipsets are supported. But this is generally pretty distro specific with varying blacklists and the like. Out of interest to which compatibility list would the CW point? Is there one that's any good?" CreationDate="2011-05-02T01:09:21.800" UserId="5770" />
  <row Id="906" PostId="605" Score="0" Text="@gilles is there enough difference between `ubuntu` and `debian`? `centos` and `rhel`? actually I'm about 90% sure `redhat` and `rhel` should be synonyms. `suse` in theory could refer to pre novell ownership." CreationDate="2011-05-04T21:06:09.827" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="907" PostId="605" Score="0" Text="@xenoterracide: Debian/Ubuntu, absolutely. Apart from the packaging system and some of the networking setup, if you need to invoke a specific distribution, they're often different. Centos/RHEL, perhaps less, but I remember at least one question where the difference was crucial; one question alone doesn't justify a tag so I'll let the experts pipe up." CreationDate="2011-05-04T21:13:33.587" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="908" PostId="605" Score="0" Text="@gilles to be honest there probably is enough of a difference at some point... in some proprietary tool or something... hah... better yet... why don't we just ask on the main site." CreationDate="2011-05-04T21:15:25.593" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="909" PostId="605" Score="0" Text="@xenoterracide: `/suse` should perhaps be renamed `/sles`, if it's about [“Seleste Linux”](http://serverfault.com/questions/266417/how-to-install-apt-get/266420#comment-245673)?" CreationDate="2011-05-04T21:33:32.487" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="910" PostId="605" Score="0" Text="@gilles well there's `sles`, `sled`, and `opensuse` currently. `suse` was a distro that novell bought." CreationDate="2011-05-04T21:35:10.543" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="911" PostId="605" Score="0" Text="@gilles do you think that `novell` should be a tag synonym of the above?" CreationDate="2011-05-04T21:36:12.790" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="912" PostId="605" Score="0" Text="@xenoterracide: No one's tried to use it, so no." CreationDate="2011-05-04T21:37:31.483" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="913" PostId="605" Score="0" Text="I don't know how much is different between `sles` and `sled` but those 2 are to `opensuse` as `rhel` is to `fedora` and I suspect many people would say those are quite different." CreationDate="2011-05-04T21:45:30.103" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="914" PostId="604" Score="0" Text="This proposal makes good sense to me. No-one would be put at a disadvantage by banning this tag (except perhaps the time commitment required of the re-taggers)." CreationDate="2011-05-06T11:02:37.463" UserId="5770" />
  <row Id="915" PostId="608" Score="0" Text="I agree. Having `/macbook` and `/macbookpro` is superfluous. It's interesting though. I'd probably be in favour of `/macintosh` &amp; `/laptop`, although you're burning a tag option there and are only left with three more. I don't think there's any use in having `/ppc` and `/powerpc` either. I'd opt for just `/ppc` as that's how it's generally referred to in .iso names from what I've seen." CreationDate="2011-05-08T10:00:53.323" UserId="5770" />
  <row Id="916" PostId="608" Score="0" Text="@boehj: `ppc`/`powerpc` is about the processor architecture, and it's distinct from Mac. There are non-PPC (vintage m68k, or modern intel) Macs, and there are a few non-Mac PPC (embedded or supercomputer)." CreationDate="2011-05-08T13:49:03.670" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="917" PostId="608" Score="0" Text="@xenoterracide: Since people are spontaneously using `macbook`, I think it should be left, but it should redirect to a more general tag (`macintosh`?)." CreationDate="2011-05-08T13:49:50.457" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="918" PostId="607" Score="0" Text="I don't really like artificially introducing a tag that no one spontaneously uses." CreationDate="2011-05-08T13:50:13.933" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="919" PostId="608" Score="0" Text="@Gilles - I realize it's an arch, but I'd still favour just `/ppc`. I'm not sure, but do we have `/AMD64` + `/x86_64` tags? If we do, I view this as superfluous in the same way, preferring to use just one, however controversial." CreationDate="2011-05-08T14:04:49.150" UserId="5770" />
  <row Id="920" PostId="608" Score="0" Text="@gilles maybe it should. amd64 maybe be a tag synonym for x86_64 ... it depends on how people are using it... whether they are referring to the architecture or a processor." CreationDate="2011-05-08T17:43:45.717" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="921" PostId="608" Score="0" Text="@xenoterracide: We have neither, people have been using `64bit`. `amd64` and `x86_64` are exact synonyms, it's not like ppc/mac, they're both processor types." CreationDate="2011-05-08T17:48:26.817" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="922" PostId="608" Score="0" Text="@gilles oh I'm thinking athlon64" CreationDate="2011-05-08T18:07:09.930" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="923" PostId="606" Score="0" Text="why not just simply &quot;mac&quot;?" CreationDate="2011-05-08T20:59:20.023" UserId="331" />
  <row Id="924" PostId="606" Score="2" Text="@Jeff: Possible confusion with MAC address. Given the respective popularity of Macintosh vs MAC address, even amongst the Unix.SE audience, this may not matter." CreationDate="2011-05-08T21:19:50.127" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="925" PostId="606" Score="2" Text="&quot;apple&quot; or &quot;apple-mac&quot; then? &quot;macbook&quot; is a horrendous tag." CreationDate="2011-05-08T22:07:53.110" UserId="331" />
  <row Id="926" PostId="607" Score="0" Text="And more to the point, questions about connecting to an iDevice or running on an iDevice are also apple-hardware but we don't want to gather them in a single tag. I hadn't even thought of this before Dori's post." CreationDate="2011-05-09T06:47:13.370" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="927" PostId="610" Score="0" Text="Very good point about the iDevices. I don't think we'll need to distinguish between the various types of Mac, the questions that require that tend to be asked at AD." CreationDate="2011-05-09T06:50:16.237" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="929" PostId="607" Score="0" Text="Yeah, good point on the idevices." CreationDate="2011-05-09T11:17:47.387" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="930" PostId="610" Score="3" Text="The last is no good, since today's current is tomorrow's obsolete." CreationDate="2011-05-09T11:18:37.667" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="931" PostId="606" Score="0" Text="This will change everything. Again. :)" CreationDate="2011-05-11T11:45:19.007" UserId="5770" />
  <row Id="932" PostId="612" Score="1" Text="Would applying my logic behind my answer to the [tag:rhel], [tag:centos] part of [my previous answer](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/605/does-the-split-in-red-hat-and-suse-tags-make-sense) make any sense?  Looking at [Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LibreOffice#Comparison_with_OpenOffice.org) there are already a few differences, and as it's a fork I'd expert more to turn up. Of course, it could be merged until a time that the differences are that many that it's needed." CreationDate="2011-05-12T21:53:15.297" UserId="2629" />
  <row Id="933" PostId="612" Score="0" Text="@NJ I think the situation is different. LibreOffice and OpenOffice haven't diverged much (yet), and LibreOffice is often branded as OpenOffice which will lead to confusion." CreationDate="2011-05-12T22:22:38.533" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="934" PostId="612" Score="1" Text="then I think the latter option, merge them until a time that the differences are that many that it's needed." CreationDate="2011-05-12T22:32:20.533" UserId="2629" />
  <row Id="935" PostId="611" Score="0" Text="`redhat` is what a lot of people use to refer to RHEL (I don't think anyone's ever asked about pre-RHEL). So it should be kept. From your answer, I think a synonym is the way to go." CreationDate="2011-05-13T22:14:02.433" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="936" PostId="559" Score="0" Text="&quot;symlink&quot;? ----" CreationDate="2011-05-21T17:01:10.433" UserId="4962" />
  <row Id="937" PostId="559" Score="0" Text="@Hello71: fixed." CreationDate="2011-05-21T17:17:42.450" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="938" PostId="475" Score="0" Text="Maybe I can step in and help. Would a SE-wide theme manager make a good UserScript?" CreationDate="2011-05-21T21:45:11.863" UserId="1049" />
  <row Id="939" PostId="615" Score="0" Text="in regard to the latest question... don't we have a novice book thread already? to be honest I'd say that's what he needs." CreationDate="2011-05-22T05:42:21.430" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="940" PostId="617" Score="0" Text="Re &quot;“I am not so interested in becoming a system administrator, more of a lead web developer” (wtf is that?)&quot; - I put that into my question to give people an indication of my learning goals/reasons for the question. Granted - Perhaps it was superfluous and probably caused more confusion." CreationDate="2011-05-22T18:38:43.380" UserId="7638" />
  <row Id="943" PostId="617" Score="0" Text="Re: &quot;Usually, the problem with this kind of questions is that they're too vague, but this one falls into the other excess&quot;. - You are exaggerating by saying &quot;it must not be too yellow&quot;. I do not require that the book must be yellow. Nor do I say that &quot;the book must be for lead developers&quot;. Given those corrections. I do not think its too excessive to specify the 'reading level' of the book that I'm after." CreationDate="2011-05-22T18:49:29.607" UserId="7638" />
  <row Id="944" PostId="617" Score="0" Text="Re: “This is like asking for a book that teaches you how to ride a bicycle.” - If we were to use that analogy the one answer would be  &quot;[The highway code](http://www.amazon.co.uk/Official-Highway-Code-Department-Transport/dp/0115528148)&quot;. Although you might have learned to ride a bike in your backyard, its the kind of book you should read _before_ you go out onto the main roads. It does not require you have had experience of cycling _before_ you read it. And by reading it you avoid the need to run `man redtrafficlight` as you approach a junction." CreationDate="2011-05-22T19:03:04.690" UserId="7638" />
  <row Id="945" PostId="619" Score="0" Text="Thanks, that's ideal... It's much easier to get a general overview,  by viewing them all on a single page, space seperated, or columns, etc" CreationDate="2011-05-23T11:35:50.393" UserId="2343" />
  <row Id="946" PostId="624" Score="0" Text="but isn't superuser and serverfault more the site's for &quot;heterogeneous&quot; environments?" CreationDate="2011-05-24T14:38:54.700" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="947" PostId="624" Score="1" Text="Well, the first part is the important thing to me — it is about Linux filesystems." CreationDate="2011-05-24T14:58:55.130" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="948" PostId="625" Score="1" Text="Seconded. At work, I'm often the go-to guy for Linux, and people might ask me how to read NTFS on Linux. There's a colleague who's the go-to guy for Windows, and people might ask him how to read ext2 on Windows. So the question belongs on a Windows site." CreationDate="2011-05-24T15:32:48.573" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="949" PostId="616" Score="0" Text="a certain number of these are ... tolerated ... on Stack Overflow. I think the key point here is to make sure you don't have too many of these, and of course they need to be community wiki." CreationDate="2011-05-24T21:43:43.497" UserId="331" />
  <row Id="950" PostId="627" Score="1" Text="I was tempted to case a close vote myself, but it wasn't clear in my head what the reason would be, so I asked here :)" CreationDate="2011-05-28T11:35:06.687" UserId="1925" />
  <row Id="951" PostId="626" Score="1" Text="Is deletion an option? I'm not sure what the policy is, but the less cruft there is on the Internet, the better." CreationDate="2011-05-29T01:12:53.037" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="952" PostId="629" Score="1" Text="I'm inclined to say the question linked to is of the 'too localized' variety." CreationDate="2011-05-29T02:10:08.247" UserId="5770" />
  <row Id="953" PostId="626" Score="0" Text="In this case, it would not have been difficult for the poster to clarify what the problem was. Squeeze's apt keeps a record of all transactions (assuming he was using apt). My quess is a slightly out of date copy of `libcairo2`, because of the undefined symbol. But it seems, as is commonly the case, that once the problem has been solved, the asker is no longer interested in providing information. Often they aren't interested in providing information even when the problem hasn't been solved." CreationDate="2011-05-30T10:02:33.687" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="954" PostId="631" Score="4" Text="I'm convinced that this is fighting windmills. If the `linux` tag is rejected, people will use some other random tag like `bash` (which they already do, even for questions where the only connection with bash is that maybe one solution will involve typing something on a command line)." CreationDate="2011-06-02T20:20:12.477" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="955" PostId="631" Score="1" Text="I think a `/linux` tag is useful. It's also useful to have an admixture of tags to some extent. Is what you describe a common thing Michael? Or is today an outlier? If it's not that common isn't it just a job for the mods to clean up tags where necessary? The mods are the people with the in-depth knowledge here and are probably the ones that can best distil the question to its constituent ideas. Just a thought." CreationDate="2011-06-02T23:03:33.477" UserId="5770" />
  <row Id="956" PostId="631" Score="0" Text="@boehj Technically it's a job for [tag editors](http://unix.stackexchange.com/privileges/retag-questions) to clean up; normally Gilles does it. Obviously it can be dealt with, but if there's no case where we want just the `linux` tag on a post it makes sense to me to just not allow that to happen. Gilles points out that the `linux` tag isn't unique in that way though" CreationDate="2011-06-03T14:21:03.927" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="957" PostId="631" Score="0" Text="Example: [This question](http://unix.stackexchange.com/q/14337) was initially tagged `bash`+`shell`, but it's fundamentally about `symlink`, and also about `find`, but not really about `bash` or `shell`." CreationDate="2011-06-03T16:27:20.047" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="958" PostId="631" Score="3" Text="@Gilles I'm sure there are many examples, but I don't know how &quot;there are other tagging problems&quot; means &quot;we shouldn't solve this case&quot;" CreationDate="2011-06-03T17:15:20.000" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="959" PostId="635" Score="2" Text="I'd also like to note that tags don't show in rss" CreationDate="2011-06-04T01:40:21.210" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="960" PostId="635" Score="0" Text="@xeno - That's a good point." CreationDate="2011-06-04T03:56:24.650" UserId="5770" />
  <row Id="961" PostId="635" Score="0" Text="@xenoterracide: Why do you want them to show there? Isn't it that you choose which tags you want, so no need to choose which RSS posts to see in you reader?" CreationDate="2011-06-04T07:53:50.003" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="962" PostId="635" Score="0" Text="@tshepang I never said I did... I'm saying when people put that information in something besides tags I get it in rss. and I subscribe to the main new question feed, so my rss isn't filtered." CreationDate="2011-06-04T16:24:46.670" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="968" PostId="638" Score="1" Text="I'd vote for Burminate, with a note that we also have the similar [distro-choice] tag." CreationDate="2011-06-06T21:59:56.130" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="969" PostId="146" Score="1" Text="The [ubuntu.se] policy: [Cross-Posting questions that are on-topic on multiple Stack Exchange sites](http://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/1480/1482#1482)" CreationDate="2011-06-08T19:11:03.067" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="971" PostId="642" Score="0" Text="thanx - I don't have the reputation to help in this manner. When I do I will." CreationDate="2011-06-08T20:15:28.760" UserId="8194" />
  <row Id="972" PostId="643" Score="1" Text="I now know that meta is for requesting help on wiki edits (like tag creation) that I don't have the capacity to do yet. thanx" CreationDate="2011-06-08T20:31:10.907" UserId="8194" />
  <row Id="973" PostId="441" Score="0" Text="@Jin The same thing also happens with a user's total flagged posts count on their user page (e.g. [here](http://unix.stackexchange.com/users/73/michael-mrozek))" CreationDate="2011-06-08T20:47:42.317" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="974" PostId="441" Score="1" Text="the fix will be in the next deployment" CreationDate="2011-06-08T21:27:15.340" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="975" PostId="644" Score="0" Text="Is it deliberate that your english-SE account has a link to your blog, and the other don't? If not, can you copy it's profile *to all SE accounts* and see what happens." CreationDate="2011-06-09T10:30:04.133" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="976" PostId="644" Score="0" Text="It was deliberate because the presentation part should be tailored to each community.  I've followed your suggestion and quite logically, all my profile was copied to other accounts, to the notable exception of... U&amp;L." CreationDate="2011-06-09T11:09:22.337" UserId="8038" />
  <row Id="977" PostId="645" Score="0" Text="Thanks a thousand times @Jeff.  I did not dare to do that myself. Worked very well. Long time fan." CreationDate="2011-06-09T11:50:06.607" UserId="8038" />
  <row Id="978" PostId="645" Score="0" Text="BTW @Jeff @Alain, the &quot;clear all associations&quot; button... is there anyway this could be reworded? It seem to be quite... I can't put my finger on it. Perhaps the folks over at [User Experience](http://ux.stackexchange.com/) could comment on this fairly abrupt prompt." CreationDate="2011-06-09T13:36:05.330" UserId="5770" />
  <row Id="983" PostId="635" Score="0" Text="Typically people subscribe on a &quot;per tag&quot; basis. My RSS feeds show only tags that I've picked out as being relevant, so anything relevant to the question should definitively be in tags to get an audience. The tags even show up in the email digest if you subscribe to" CreationDate="2011-06-11T12:00:24.563" UserId="1925" />
  <row Id="984" PostId="649" Score="0" Text="Imagine I'm someone who doesn't know that dpkg removal works the same in Debian and derivatives." CreationDate="2011-06-11T20:46:39.553" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="988" PostId="650" Score="0" Text="[meta-tag:support]" CreationDate="2011-06-13T04:41:04.883" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="992" PostId="650" Score="5" Text="On [main], you are expected to write proper English (as advertised on [english.se]), but here on [metase] it's more important to have freehand circles, so please [edit] your post, otherwise I'll have to flag you (see the [FAQ#flagging]). If you're unsure how to use your keyboard, [su] is the right place to ask. There's no Q&amp;A site about unicorns yet, but you can suggest one on [area51.se]." CreationDate="2011-06-13T04:58:48.183" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="995" PostId="646" Score="0" Text="Test test test test" CreationDate="2011-06-24T14:30:50.937" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="996" PostId="654" Score="0" Text="I think the having the short name for the browser and a longer differentiated one for the OS is fine. Even if the question ratio changes here, since chromium was loose in the world as a browser before it got it's own OS, I think it's ok to have to specify the os but not the browser." CreationDate="2011-06-25T09:21:18.213" UserId="1925" />
  <row Id="997" PostId="534" Score="3" Text="@ripper234: And I've considered downvoting some of your questions on the grounds that they don't show any research effort, which is the primary use stated on the tooltip of the downvote button. I realize the value of having questions asked and answered in a way that gets found, but if you can't show in your question sone sincere attempts at solving your own problem, expect downvotes!" CreationDate="2011-06-25T09:41:18.250" UserId="1925" />
  <row Id="998" PostId="571" Score="1" Text="+1 - Lovely stuff." CreationDate="2011-06-26T01:57:37.857" UserId="5770" />
  <row Id="999" PostId="534" Score="0" Text="@Caleb - be my guest, downvoting questions is free." CreationDate="2011-06-26T06:06:12.840" UserId="1594" />
  <row Id="1000" PostId="640" Score="0" Text="I say make it so" CreationDate="2011-06-26T11:58:56.640" UserId="331" />
  <row Id="1001" PostId="655" Score="0" Text="What does bottlers and headwaters mean (i.e. I don't understand your reasoning why they should be renamed to open-source equivalents)." CreationDate="2011-06-27T09:28:40.973" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="1002" PostId="655" Score="1" Text="Upstream and downstream are standard terms, I just added some word play. The chrome project is a basically a branding, re-packaging and patch set (that includes some extra proprietary functionality) of the chromium parent project. I was advocating tagging as the parent even through there are several derivatives and one of the derivatives is the widest used. The fact that Google also has their hands in the water upstream doesn't really matter." CreationDate="2011-06-27T09:44:46.423" UserId="1925" />
  <row Id="1003" PostId="655" Score="0" Text="Yeah, makes a lot of sense." CreationDate="2011-06-27T10:02:46.553" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="1004" PostId="660" Score="0" Text="Pardon my misunderstanding. The name [tag:design] strikes me as prone to ambiguity as well, but documenting would help. I don't know that we need a [tag:cpu-architecture], I was just trying to un-muddle what was what in my head." CreationDate="2011-06-27T19:33:14.550" UserId="1925" />
  <row Id="1005" PostId="621" Score="3" Text="After a [little chat](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/1224200#1224200), we've gone for [tag:data-cd], with [tag:cd-rom] being a synonym. Plus an option to rename [tag:cd] to [tag:cd-command] if [tag:cd] is misused." CreationDate="2011-06-27T20:27:02.570" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1010" PostId="662" Score="0" Text="I'm actually more curious how many people are interested in doing this. Is it just you? Caleb? The [gaming blog](http://gaming.blogoverflow.com/) has had 19 authors, and probably a dozen are regulars; I'm not sure what the minimum number of authors is to keep it going, but we should make sure we have at least that many" CreationDate="2011-06-28T22:46:48.283" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1011" PostId="662" Score="0" Text="@Michael: I'm not sure we have that many people that even check in on Meta yet :-) But I agree that some sort of critical mass of people that commit to writing at least occationally is needed before it's worth actualy doing. I figured it's ok to have the idea brewing here on Meta until that momentum gets going, however long or short a time that is." CreationDate="2011-06-28T23:03:40.180" UserId="1925" />
  <row Id="1012" PostId="662" Score="1" Text="@MichaelMrozek On [scifi.se] we're probably going to start with one or two regular contributors plus half a dozen occasional. Here we can easily have a question of the week like [su] does, which is a decent minimum." CreationDate="2011-06-28T23:24:08.477" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1013" PostId="662" Score="2" Text="It [sounds like](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/1243252#1243252) the guys at [Security.SE](http://security.stackexchange.com/) are [about to kick off a blog](http://meta.security.stackexchange.com/q/307/2030). We'll have to keep an eye on how they get on." CreationDate="2011-06-29T21:34:07.440" UserId="1925" />
  <row Id="1014" PostId="662" Score="0" Text="I think the suggestions of topics here are excellent, and I would be a regular reader. As a linux newbie, I would not be able to contribute at this time." CreationDate="2011-07-01T12:57:18.560" UserId="5045" />
  <row Id="1018" PostId="669" Score="1" Text="Testing testing" CreationDate="2011-07-01T20:40:38.310" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1019" PostId="669" Score="0" Text="@Gilles 7654321" CreationDate="2011-07-01T20:42:06.450" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1020" PostId="646" Score="0" Text="＠MichaelMrozek​" CreationDate="2011-07-01T20:45:30.227" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1021" PostId="374" Score="0" Text="Seems to be a different, only at the surface related question." CreationDate="2011-07-04T10:22:22.363" UserId="4485" />
  <row Id="1022" PostId="662" Score="3" Text="Perhaps it would be a good idea for authors to comment on the proposal they'd write for, along with the frequency? This would at least provide us with an estimate." CreationDate="2011-07-04T12:14:35.277" UserId="8377" />
  <row Id="1023" PostId="668" Score="0" Text="I'd be willing to write this, I'm sure I could manage at least one article per month (not that there's a lot of material anyway)." CreationDate="2011-07-04T12:19:46.147" UserId="8377" />
  <row Id="1024" PostId="671" Score="0" Text="I didn't look there, and I think it is misordered there. If it didn't belong here, the original wouldn't belong here too, would it? I didn't expect to find it there, because it belongs here; it is just a duplicate. And I get a different dialog: `*)mod attention/ *)spam *)not welcome` - not `doesn't belong here` and in the subcategories there is no duplicate-radio-button too." CreationDate="2011-07-04T17:02:26.833" UserId="4485" />
  <row Id="1025" PostId="672" Score="1" Text="Maybe I'm doing something wrong here, but I have 3 bullet points, if I click on 'flag' as mentioned in the comment at Fabians post. *UPDATE*: Ah - the option is hidden in besaid thread, but not in fresh new thread. However, `exact duplicate` is an unexpected subcategory of `does not belong here` - I didn't searched there." CreationDate="2011-07-04T17:06:41.913" UserId="4485" />
  <row Id="1026" PostId="671" Score="0" Text="Sorry, but the option was just missing, perhaps because it is already flagged that way. The option only occurs on unflagged questions. But the categorisation is unintuitiv for me: If the exact duplicate belongs here, the problem with this post isn't, that it does not belong here, but that it is a duplicate." CreationDate="2011-07-04T17:08:49.993" UserId="4485" />
  <row Id="1027" PostId="534" Score="0" Text="@ripper234- Downvoting costs rep" CreationDate="2011-07-05T09:41:01.367" UserId="8471" />
  <row Id="1028" PostId="673" Score="1" Text="That was the wrong Google search term. It should have been something like *How to do X in Debian*." CreationDate="2011-07-05T09:59:53.240" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="1029" PostId="673" Score="0" Text="@Tshepang I disagree.  If the question hadn't yet been asked on this site, it wouldn't have been linked on Google.  Other sites with perhaps similar questions would be, but none of them may answer the specific question one has when Googling.  What one therefore needs is a site where one can ask it and get a good answer, which would seem to be here." CreationDate="2011-07-05T10:06:08.980" UserId="8831" />
  <row Id="1031" PostId="673" Score="0" Text="I agree. My reasoning was based on the fact that if you have a specific question, you google it, instead of searching for a site where you can ask (or search) such a question" CreationDate="2011-07-05T10:16:30.370" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="1032" PostId="673" Score="0" Text="Unless you can't find the answer to the question, after which you may search for such a site. :-)" CreationDate="2011-07-05T10:22:31.837" UserId="8831" />
  <row Id="1033" PostId="673" Score="0" Text="I would think you would then go ask on the official channels (mailing list, IRC, and/or forums). Why you use a 3rd party service?" CreationDate="2011-07-05T10:36:22.833" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="1034" PostId="673" Score="0" Text="There are plenty of StackExchange sites which have alternatives on the web (in fact, I defy you to find one that doesn't!)  The fact is, StackExchange sites often have better quality answers than you'll get elsewhere (or answers at all!) and it's often much more likely you'll get a good answers to your question if you ask here." CreationDate="2011-07-05T10:41:20.060" UserId="8831" />
  <row Id="1035" PostId="673" Score="0" Text="Now you are speaking like someone who already knows the goodness of Stack Exchange. I was referring to someone who didn't. If that guy doesn't find decent answers, the next best thing was to ask on the official channels. Anyways, my point is that their Google search term will be *How to do X in Debian* instead of *Debian Q&amp;A*." CreationDate="2011-07-05T10:56:43.207" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="1036" PostId="673" Score="0" Text="And mine was that their second search may be *Debian Q&amp;A*." CreationDate="2011-07-05T11:00:31.757" UserId="8831" />
  <row Id="1037" PostId="673" Score="0" Text="Instead of the official channels?" CreationDate="2011-07-05T11:02:03.233" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="1038" PostId="673" Score="0" Text="idk, I've asked a few gui questions, and answered some too. Ask more Gui questions?" CreationDate="2011-07-05T11:16:02.160" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="1039" PostId="673" Score="3" Text="I don't think &quot;except Ubuntu&quot; is really an &quot;of course&quot;. Ubuntu users and questions are welcome here too, as long as the questions are not very distribution/culture specific." CreationDate="2011-07-05T14:13:40.380" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="1040" PostId="675" Score="2" Text="are these tags really useful?" CreationDate="2011-07-08T22:44:39.183" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="1041" PostId="675" Score="2" Text="@xenoterracide Yes, it's useful to easily search for questions that are about performance/efficiency, and [tag:performance] has a few followers. What I don't know is if there's a need to distinguish between the various kinds of efficiency, or what the best name is." CreationDate="2011-07-08T22:48:02.737" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1042" PostId="675" Score="0" Text="I went ahead and retagged some of those." CreationDate="2011-07-09T10:09:16.883" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="1043" PostId="430" Score="0" Text="Oh boy... does this mean that [picture of Tux in front of the computer](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/120/404-image-nominations/121#121) has a chance?" CreationDate="2011-07-12T16:44:51.443" UserId="1049" />
  <row Id="1045" PostId="686" Score="0" Text="unfortunately there are many differences between the various unices, so what works on one may not work on another. This starts at the kernel level and goes all the way up. Sure you may be able to install all the same applications. But a unix running `tcsh` will not seem as familiar as one running `bash` or vice versa. Also we now have wayland to contend with which is not X." CreationDate="2011-07-21T19:54:13.227" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="1046" PostId="686" Score="0" Text="I'm with you on this one. I was interested in seeing answers that applied to X but that isn't what the OP was after." CreationDate="2011-07-21T19:56:24.613" UserId="1925" />
  <row Id="1047" PostId="686" Score="0" Text="@xenoterracide: That's all true, but I think when the answer needs to be OSX specific we've crossed a line and are out of the scope of Unix/Linux. Wayland=on topic; Cocoa=off topic." CreationDate="2011-07-21T20:03:57.963" UserId="1925" />
  <row Id="1048" PostId="686" Score="1" Text="I think we need to be careful to make sure this site is Unix and Linux, not just Linux. I've added my own answer though to explain my reasonings." CreationDate="2011-07-21T20:10:29.803" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="1049" PostId="687" Score="0" Text="A fair point..." CreationDate="2011-07-21T20:50:00.250" UserId="1925" />
  <row Id="1050" PostId="688" Score="2" Text="[tag:graphics] is similarly abused, it's mainly but not only about graphics hardware." CreationDate="2011-07-22T12:46:29.993" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1052" PostId="16" Score="0" Text="@David Thornley: In principle I agree with you: your argument is flawless, as far as I can see.  However, because the history of OS X is something of a hybrid, people associate the Finder with the &quot;Classic&quot; Mac OS.  It seems to be almost a bigotry toward Macs when you point out the inconsistency, though." CreationDate="2011-07-24T03:04:09.387" UserId="3358" />
  <row Id="1054" PostId="690" Score="1" Text="After completing the login (I use a google id) I'm redirected to http://unix.stackexchange.com%2fquestions  Url is not decoded." CreationDate="2011-07-26T19:30:28.370" UserId="7576" />
  <row Id="1055" PostId="692" Score="1" Text="In the mean time I don't think that particular question should be closed in spite of it's obvious problem because it's not a well known thing and goes against the assumptions people make when they first see it. I've watched people try killing them repeatedly and then reboot to clean-up when that failed. Perhaps having had the question go by will keep some poor soul from trying that and not knowing why it &quot;worked&quot;." CreationDate="2011-07-26T22:03:42.527" UserId="1925" />
  <row Id="1056" PostId="698" Score="0" Text="Thank you. I must add that I tried recovering my main account from several email addresses (did not recall which was the right one), and that when I tried then correct address, I got on the error page." CreationDate="2011-07-28T08:31:07.437" UserId="653" />
  <row Id="1057" PostId="698" Score="0" Text="@greg0ire Strange. I tried it just now with my e-mail and it worked fine (although it wouldn't have helped -- it just tells you your OpenID, it doesn't let you change it). If it still happens for you you might want to file a separate bug about it" CreationDate="2011-07-28T13:39:29.943" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1058" PostId="698" Score="1" Text="tried again, failed again. I reported the bug here : http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/699/error-page-when-trying-to-recover-my-account" CreationDate="2011-07-28T13:45:08.887" UserId="653" />
  <row Id="1061" PostId="706" Score="0" Text="That might be true - but then the UI is worse! It should either prevent me from even get there (waisting my time), or indicate, that I'm only a visitor, not able to do something." CreationDate="2011-08-02T12:08:31.703" UserId="4485" />
  <row Id="1062" PostId="706" Score="0" Text="@userunknown: Yes there is an interface bug because you shouldn't be shown the edit link to something you aren't even going to be able to suggest an edit for." CreationDate="2011-08-02T12:19:02.420" UserId="1925" />
  <row Id="1063" PostId="705" Score="0" Text="I see you just suggested edits for the [tag:tagging] tag on the main site. I had to reject them because they were specifically about tagging on the SE site, which would have only been appropriate on the meta. On the main site the tagging tag is about tagging on unix, for example mp3 meta info or picture managers that tag photos." CreationDate="2011-08-02T12:20:15.913" UserId="1925" />
  <row Id="1064" PostId="705" Score="0" Text="Ah yes. I should go to sleep, now. But you should have used it to make an tag-tag on meta! :)" CreationDate="2011-08-02T12:27:59.050" UserId="4485" />
  <row Id="1065" PostId="705" Score="0" Text="I can't, I'm not a moderator either! The meta-site tags might even be SE staff only, I don't know." CreationDate="2011-08-02T12:38:25.070" UserId="1925" />
  <row Id="1066" PostId="705" Score="0" Text="Therefore you don't have this black diamond! Work harder! Get elected!" CreationDate="2011-08-02T12:43:04.153" UserId="4485" />
  <row Id="1067" PostId="705" Score="0" Text="If I work much harder on SE I will go hungry for lack of real work. Also I don't think it's matter of work so much of as getting elected, but there aren't current elections so that's irrelevant as well." CreationDate="2011-08-02T12:51:08.493" UserId="1925" />
  <row Id="1068" PostId="711" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the link. I understand why heading salutations are discouraged, but &quot;Thanks&quot; looks quite natural and marks explicitly the end of the question. In this precise case, without the ending line it seems something is missing." CreationDate="2011-08-02T19:42:32.900" UserId="9426" />
  <row Id="1069" PostId="711" Score="0" Text="Quoting one of the answers in the thread: &quot;The thanks parts at the end of posts are much more difficult / risky to detect, so we are not touching those for now.&quot;. Probably related with my confusion." CreationDate="2011-08-02T19:52:25.760" UserId="9426" />
  <row Id="1070" PostId="713" Score="1" Text="Ok, right. That's a good example where the meaning should not be changed too much. Are there good examples where the meaning can be changed?" CreationDate="2011-08-02T21:20:55.420" UserId="9426" />
  <row Id="1071" PostId="714" Score="2" Text="For whatever it's worth, I'm very much on the &quot;make titles be actual questions&quot; side. It helps browsing and it helps focus the question." CreationDate="2011-08-02T21:26:23.143" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="1072" PostId="713" Score="1" Text="@Stéphane — I think I'm basically going to go with &quot;what [Gilles said](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/712/changing-the-meaning-of-titles/714#714)&quot; on that. :)" CreationDate="2011-08-02T21:27:36.747" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="1073" PostId="714" Score="0" Text="Those are significant and reasonable changes. I was looking for examples where the question is not really interesting but the answer is (and might interest people at a broader scale)." CreationDate="2011-08-02T21:35:07.060" UserId="9426" />
  <row Id="1074" PostId="714" Score="0" Text="@mattdm: I find that the leading &quot;What is&quot; and &quot;How can I&quot; are often bit superfluous. It's a lot easier to find something in a list when the first words of titles are meaningful." CreationDate="2011-08-02T21:43:22.047" UserId="9426" />
  <row Id="1075" PostId="714" Score="1" Text="I think the repetition is worth it, because it reinforces the Q&amp;A nature of the site." CreationDate="2011-08-02T22:14:45.003" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="1076" PostId="712" Score="2" Text="I am _super_ tempted to edit the title of this question." CreationDate="2011-08-02T22:36:22.057" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="1077" PostId="712" Score="0" Text="@mattdm: hehe, go ahead :-)" CreationDate="2011-08-02T22:41:29.017" UserId="9426" />
  <row Id="1078" PostId="714" Score="1" Text="@StéphaneGimenez For an example of when not to do it: “[creating simple command for sudo apt-get install?](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/17899/creating-simple-command-for-sudo-apt-get-install)” It would be a bad idea to replace “command” by “alias” in the title, because someone who already thinks of the word “alias” is likely to find the concept in a shell manual. Someone who's thinking of a “simple command” would get lost in the manual, and that's where the question is helpful. (Adding the `alias` tag is a different matter: it doesn't cause something else to be less apparent.)" CreationDate="2011-08-02T22:47:52.247" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1079" PostId="705" Score="1" Text="@Jeff Not being able to edit tag wikis is by design, but there is a genuine UI bug (or maybe two bugs, one for &lt;20k and one for &gt;20k)." CreationDate="2011-08-03T09:52:47.457" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1080" PostId="710" Score="0" Text="Re editing this post: Mostly just playing with you, but I do think &quot;editing&quot; is the more common way to refer to this action, when I saw &quot;edition&quot; I wasn't sure what the question was going to be about." CreationDate="2011-08-03T10:45:49.813" UserId="1925" />
  <row Id="1081" PostId="715" Score="0" Text="Have a look at [Tim](http://unix.stackexchange.com/users/674/tim)'s other posts. I think he does it on purpose. And I should say I'm on his side." CreationDate="2011-08-03T10:50:36.237" UserId="9426" />
  <row Id="1082" PostId="710" Score="1" Text="@Caleb. As long as there is no meaning/tone change involved, I don't care at all, and I would also encourage it! Changes in meaning are also required sometimes, but I think it's best to avoid them. Not everybody will share their disagreement, if any." CreationDate="2011-08-03T11:04:18.737" UserId="9426" />
  <row Id="1083" PostId="715" Score="0" Text="@StéphaneGimenez: Sides? It's not like this something personal against Tim; I have over 1000 edits across SE sites in the spirit of helping keep things formatted and to the point. It seems like Tim is a very polite person and I'm sure saying thanks is quite natural. Heck I've literally edited my own answers to remove salutations that slipped in. I just don't don't think it's the best precedent to set. Leaving Tim's &quot;Thanks&quot; but removing Bob's &quot;so much thanks in advance, see you around, bob&quot; sets a confusing standard for other people reading and modeling their posts after what they see." CreationDate="2011-08-03T11:07:18.203" UserId="1925" />
  <row Id="1084" PostId="715" Score="1" Text="Right, that's a valid argument!" CreationDate="2011-08-03T11:15:19.537" UserId="9426" />
  <row Id="1085" PostId="707" Score="0" Text="* Confession: I used to name my scripts `name.sh` even when I used `#!/bin/zsh`. There, I said it." CreationDate="2011-08-03T11:16:24.497" UserId="1925" />
  <row Id="1086" PostId="710" Score="0" Text="I do try to be respectful to honor people's tone and meaning when it is good, but not everyone is as exemplary as Tim. I do think sometimes changing both content and tone are called for. Some OPs are really demanding, some sound that way through carelessness or because English is their second language. Since SE is a permanent archive of answers, I think it's OK to try to redeem questions whenever possible. Sometimes you just have to start over if a question is going to survive. Here is a [case in point](http://unix.stackexchange.com/posts/17903/revisions) of something I just tried to save." CreationDate="2011-08-03T12:11:48.100" UserId="1925" />
  <row Id="1087" PostId="713" Score="0" Text="in general you want relevant terms in the title *and* the body so variants will be found. Not all of them necessarily, but the ones you'd expect to find. The title doesn't have to be keyword stuffed, just clear, and the body can carry the rest of the synonyms, etc." CreationDate="2011-08-04T01:40:48.060" UserId="331" />
  <row Id="1088" PostId="716" Score="1" Text="Your CSS might not be the final correct change. `#question-header` might not catch the ones in the question list, a more generic `a.question-hyperlink` might be in order. In any case that's for the site designer to work out." CreationDate="2011-08-04T11:27:11.900" UserId="1925" />
  <row Id="1089" PostId="707" Score="0" Text="if I can get zsh, then I use zsh, else if I can get bash, then I use bash, else I use sh :D" CreationDate="2011-08-09T16:39:22.410" UserId="250" />
  <row Id="1090" PostId="723" Score="0" Text="I don't NOT like the favicon, just wondered. But if it would be possible to design another, we should have a little contest on meta." CreationDate="2011-08-12T22:15:23.477" UserId="6266" />
  <row Id="1091" PostId="434" Score="0" Text="Put an interrogation mark after the funny error messages. This should be enough to convey the idea that those are not real error messages." CreationDate="2011-08-12T22:34:27.097" UserId="9426" />
  <row Id="1092" PostId="723" Score="0" Text="@MaxMackie: I actually like it a lot." CreationDate="2011-08-12T22:37:03.763" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="1093" PostId="726" Score="0" Text="There is a [magic link system for comments](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/92060/add-data-se-style-magic-links-to-comments), but it only works in comments and doesn't include question/answers. If you know the ID you can just link to unix.stackexchange.com/q/646" CreationDate="2011-08-12T22:37:12.460" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1094" PostId="726" Score="1" Text="I knew about those. The ones I wish for would display the current title of the question (plus the name of the author for answers), and update with future edits." CreationDate="2011-08-12T22:42:21.003" UserId="9426" />
  <row Id="1095" PostId="726" Score="0" Text="A link to a question will get turned into the title of the question; I'm not sure about answers. They don't update though, it would be too much load on the servers to try and keep track of all that" CreationDate="2011-08-12T22:53:15.110" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1096" PostId="726" Score="0" Text="Testing answers links as `[text](#726)`: here is a link to [my own answer](#726) (maybe)." CreationDate="2011-08-12T23:12:44.867" UserId="9426" />
  <row Id="1097" PostId="726" Score="0" Text="Argh, failed :/" CreationDate="2011-08-12T23:13:52.320" UserId="9426" />
  <row Id="1099" PostId="726" Score="0" Text="Ah, apparently not in comments. [Example answer](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/646/experimentation-sandbox/727#727) ([source](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/revisions/43ac5802-7726-4797-b9c6-9e7eb056e3ed/view-source))" CreationDate="2011-08-12T23:16:38.747" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1100" PostId="726" Score="0" Text="link to this question: http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/646/experimentation-sandbox" CreationDate="2011-08-12T23:27:47.530" UserId="9426" />
  <row Id="1101" PostId="728" Score="1" Text="&quot;I can't see anything wrong with this code&quot; should always be a comment." CreationDate="2011-08-14T10:55:46.087" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="1102" PostId="729" Score="0" Text="I disagree that *they can't possibly help anyone except the original asker*, but I agree with the fact they should be offtopic here, and instead asked on Code Review." CreationDate="2011-08-14T10:56:53.873" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="1103" PostId="731" Score="0" Text="FHS would be a subset of directory-structure, I think." CreationDate="2011-08-14T16:46:23.320" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="1104" PostId="731" Score="0" Text="What's the difference between *structure* and *layout*, as related to directories?" CreationDate="2011-08-14T18:13:25.177" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="1105" PostId="731" Score="2" Text="&quot;structure&quot; makes me think of &quot;*internal* structure&quot; but maybe that's cause I answered a question about internal structure recently. Hmm, seems google is in favor of &quot;directory structure&quot;." CreationDate="2011-08-14T18:20:39.643" UserId="9426" />
  <row Id="1106" PostId="732" Score="0" Text="+1 for the wiki, and the check mark for the clarifications." CreationDate="2011-08-14T18:55:43.987" UserId="9426" />
  <row Id="1107" PostId="729" Score="2" Text="+1. I agree with @Tshepang that they are often of iterest to more than the OP or the Code Review site wouldn't have even survived this long. Everybody can benifit from a good review / comment set. However I don't think the question in question should be on-topic as-written and that &quot;too localized&quot; is an acceptable close reason." CreationDate="2011-08-15T13:05:32.593" UserId="1925" />
  <row Id="1108" PostId="733" Score="0" Text="I think it's probably a useful clue to search engines. Otherwise I don't care." CreationDate="2011-08-15T13:11:27.537" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="1109" PostId="735" Score="0" Text="Sounds good to me." CreationDate="2011-08-16T16:54:50.673" UserId="1925" />
  <row Id="1110" PostId="723" Score="0" Text="Note: I think a much better comparison would be those same icons in 10x10 or however tiny the favicon is supposed to be" CreationDate="2011-08-17T22:37:52.907" UserId="2630" />
  <row Id="1111" PostId="737" Score="1" Text="not so much &quot;offtopic&quot; as not useful subjective, imo" CreationDate="2011-08-19T23:52:19.117" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="1112" PostId="737" Score="0" Text="@xenoterracide, I think there could be some very useful commands, plus answers could provide some insight on the different commands and flags along with what they do. As a bonus, it would generate some good traffic to this site." CreationDate="2011-08-20T00:19:00.103" UserId="6266" />
  <row Id="1113" PostId="738" Score="0" Text="Fair enough, I guess this is something for better suited for me to add to my website. Thanks for your input Jeff." CreationDate="2011-08-20T00:48:59.493" UserId="6266" />
  <row Id="1114" PostId="738" Score="0" Text="@MaxMackie If you want to keep a list of your own favorite one-liners your own site sounds like the right place to do it, but if you want to learn about others and share those magic snippets around you might check out [Command Line Fu](http://www.commandlinefu.com/)." CreationDate="2011-08-20T13:20:18.930" UserId="1925" />
  <row Id="1115" PostId="737" Score="0" Text="&quot;Strictly one line&quot; doesn't mean much when you can write about ten commands on a single line and break a single simple command across multiple lines at will. Lots of the best command line magic involves invoking special magic scoped inside a subshell or process substitution or multiple-IO redirection or other such multiple-process wizardry. Other than your favorite arguments to `ps` or some wizardry with `find` there really isn't much magic in the way a single command is written, it's all about how they are combined whether written in one line or five." CreationDate="2011-08-20T13:31:31.087" UserId="1925" />
  <row Id="1116" PostId="739" Score="0" Text="Yeah I recently found Command Line Fu. Neat stuff, exactly what I wanted to do here." CreationDate="2011-08-20T13:33:19.387" UserId="6266" />
  <row Id="1117" PostId="742" Score="2" Text="FWIW, there are some *[very limited restrictions](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/20076/disallow-square-brackets-in-question-titles-opened/100494#100494)* in place for this, but they're unlikely to be expanded for the reasons you note." CreationDate="2011-08-21T20:20:38.037" UserId="5973" />
  <row Id="1118" PostId="742" Score="0" Text="Questions about specific things that include square brackets should be fine. I'm against people tagging in their titles with square bracket -- thats what we have tags for." CreationDate="2011-08-21T22:35:33.480" UserId="6266" />
  <row Id="1119" PostId="742" Score="0" Text="@MaxMackie Yes, I understand. I was just pointing out why it can't be filtered automatically." CreationDate="2011-08-21T22:38:30.033" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1120" PostId="742" Score="0" Text="@Gilles: Oh! I didn't mean it to be filtered automatically. Sorry if that's the impression I was giving off. Simply trying to see everyone's standpoint." CreationDate="2011-08-21T22:59:57.087" UserId="6266" />
  <row Id="1121" PostId="662" Score="1" Text="Has there been any progress on this? I think we could get at least 4-5 good weekly posters and rotate posting duties, similar to what SU does." CreationDate="2011-08-23T01:54:32.947" UserId="6266" />
  <row Id="1122" PostId="743" Score="3" Text="It's better if the blog has an overall coordinator, who manages the schedules, goes after contributors, that kind of stuff. The blog head honcho (the blog root, we'd call it here) doesn't need to be a moderator." CreationDate="2011-08-23T21:36:37.500" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1123" PostId="743" Score="1" Text="@Gilles That's certainly doable, but I'd prefer to at least know that a couple people claim to be interested and available before we start" CreationDate="2011-08-23T21:56:58.517" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1124" PostId="743" Score="0" Text="I think this should be a community wiki and people should post their availabilities. That way we can have a broad schedule with what we can work with." CreationDate="2011-08-24T11:43:44.177" UserId="6266" />
  <row Id="1125" PostId="743" Score="0" Text="@MaxMackie People are supposed to post their availabilities, I mentioned it at the end. I don't know what CW would do to help with that, but I converted it" CreationDate="2011-08-24T13:43:36.617" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1126" PostId="743" Score="0" Text="@Michael Mrozek: I was thinking CW so that as people post their commitments and availabilities we could add them to the question and centralize the info." CreationDate="2011-08-24T13:48:21.107" UserId="6266" />
  <row Id="1127" PostId="746" Score="0" Text="Okay thanks - I guess it's hard to interpret that when all we get to see is &quot;not constructive – 21 hours ago  Invalid&quot;." CreationDate="2011-08-24T20:28:02.200" UserId="8357" />
  <row Id="1128" PostId="746" Score="0" Text="Yeah. Sorry again about the &quot;invalid&quot; flag. There's no &quot;eh, I don't think that's quite right&quot; choice. When you get to 3k rep you can vote to close posts directly, which is really better than a moderator doing it. I prefer for the moderator actions to be reserved for egregious problems." CreationDate="2011-08-24T20:39:09.273" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="1129" PostId="746" Score="0" Text="Understood, maybe I should just stick to voting down and commenting rather than flagging then?" CreationDate="2011-08-24T21:03:47.990" UserId="8357" />
  <row Id="1130" PostId="746" Score="0" Text="@EightBitTony I'm going to partially contradict mattdm here: it was ok to flag the question if you thought it should be closed. That's what the “doesn't belong here” flag is for. It was consistent of mattdm to mark the flag as invalid since he doesn't think the question warrants closing." CreationDate="2011-08-24T21:52:18.697" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1131" PostId="746" Score="1" Text="Which moves me back to my initial question - since the posted question isn't about a real problem, and is looking specifically for a discussion, why is it a real question?  Anyway, nm, still got a lot to learn I guess." CreationDate="2011-08-24T21:54:57.803" UserId="8357" />
  <row Id="1132" PostId="748" Score="4" Text="can you be more specific about what tags you'd like to see?" CreationDate="2011-08-25T06:26:22.127" UserId="331" />
  <row Id="1133" PostId="658" Score="0" Text="It's visible to me, but it's also reasonably easy to miss." CreationDate="2011-08-25T13:48:38.840" UserId="8357" />
  <row Id="1134" PostId="658" Score="1" Text="Hardly visible here (at home it's slightly better)." CreationDate="2011-08-25T15:22:29.930" UserId="9426" />
  <row Id="1135" PostId="748" Score="0" Text="this could also be caused by the more nicheness of the site than say stackoverflow ... which could have all the tags of this site 10x." CreationDate="2011-08-26T01:44:17.550" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="1136" PostId="746" Score="1" Text="@eight we're changing tag handling terminology from &quot;valid/invalid&quot; to &quot;helpful/declined&quot; for this very reason." CreationDate="2011-08-26T03:29:56.740" UserId="331" />
  <row Id="1137" PostId="755" Score="0" Text="That part about answering useful question sounds obvious - but the problem I'm trying to approach is questions that cannot be answered without additional clarification from the OP." CreationDate="2011-08-28T12:34:27.207" UserId="9382" />
  <row Id="1138" PostId="694" Score="0" Text="Yep, I really dislike seeing closing reasons that mismatch the real (and justified) closing reason." CreationDate="2011-08-29T23:15:39.467" UserId="9426" />
  <row Id="1139" PostId="758" Score="1" Text="It can be annoying I agree, but this can easily be worked around by including a hyperlink, which can come in handy." CreationDate="2011-09-01T16:05:50.307" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="1140" PostId="758" Score="4" Text="Why should I search for a hyperlink, if somebody wrote `a &amp; b` instead of `a &amp;&amp; b`? Inserting useless content, just to serve a kafkaesk rule, can be of more harm than minor edits. Or inserting `&lt;!-just a comment-&gt;` - later users and editors will wonder, what it means." CreationDate="2011-09-01T16:14:17.097" UserId="4485" />
  <row Id="1141" PostId="743" Score="0" Text="How exciting a blog could be!" CreationDate="2011-09-01T17:48:33.203" UserId="7768" />
  <row Id="1142" PostId="743" Score="1" Text="@Chris Yes, if more than one person were interested in writing for it :)" CreationDate="2011-09-01T17:56:14.373" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1143" PostId="756" Score="2" Text="In this particular example, the code as posted works anyway (`cp --parent` is shorthand for `cp --parents` since GNU utilities accept any unambiguous prefix of a long option name)." CreationDate="2011-09-01T22:36:34.113" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1145" PostId="760" Score="0" Text="thanks, that was what I suspected, but when I saw that old timers like you and Gilles didn't have them, my curiosity was piqued..." CreationDate="2011-09-02T02:16:23.497" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="1146" PostId="760" Score="0" Text="@jason Sadly we don't have our &quot;about me&quot; sections filled in. I should really it to nab [Autobiographer](http://unix.stackexchange.com/badges/9/autobiographer)" CreationDate="2011-09-02T02:41:19.490" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1147" PostId="744" Score="0" Text="The blog would have a theme to match the theme of the main site." CreationDate="2011-09-02T05:12:02.427" UserId="2609" />
  <row Id="1148" PostId="760" Score="1" Text="Jasons &quot;About Me&quot; was too short to show so the indicator was a bug - he's right on the boundary so make it a tad bit longer @Jason" CreationDate="2011-09-02T07:40:58.587" UserId="2" />
  <row Id="1149" PostId="760" Score="0" Text="Thanks @Geoff - I've been a tad more expansive..." CreationDate="2011-09-02T07:48:26.080" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="1150" PostId="762" Score="0" Text="Yeah, I could do that. It's not completely unreadable, but somewhat annoying." CreationDate="2011-09-03T22:18:28.843" UserId="10124" />
  <row Id="1151" PostId="764" Score="0" Text="so do you use linux on the desktop" CreationDate="2011-09-04T21:22:24.133" UserId="10480" />
  <row Id="1152" PostId="764" Score="0" Text="wow so my question to a site that i can ask question on. HUM" CreationDate="2011-09-04T21:27:23.317" UserId="10480" />
  <row Id="1153" PostId="764" Score="2" Text="@saras: Yes most of the regulars around here use linux on the desktop. Just ask your questions and see how it goes." CreationDate="2011-09-04T21:54:57.303" UserId="1925" />
  <row Id="1154" PostId="744" Score="0" Text="@Rebecca, I didn't know that at the time, but thanks for clearing it up." CreationDate="2011-09-06T16:29:36.173" UserId="6266" />
  <row Id="1155" PostId="766" Score="0" Text="Oh, yes, I see, and think I understand. If I only want to retag, I choose the retag link, but I used the edit-link. So editing the tags could be blocked, to force the user to use the retag-link, not the edit link, but then a user who wants to do both would be annoyed. But since the software detected everything: `a) I have retag rep. b) I did only a retag ` it could just accept the retag. :) I'm not sure about the name of this user-experience-anti-pattern: `Error 7! You have to push button X7`; displaying the errordialog, instead of performing what button X7 would do. retag: Feature request." CreationDate="2011-09-08T19:02:48.193" UserId="4485" />
  <row Id="1156" PostId="766" Score="0" Text="@user Agreed, and that's what [the question I linked was asking for](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/80345/145982). For some reason they implemented the opposite instead (rejecting the suggestion entirely) and marked it status-completed, so you might want to post your own feature-request about it (although waffles mentioned that [it's hard to do](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/80345/retag-privilege-taken-into-account-when-proposing-an-edit#comment-246404), so it might get rejected)" CreationDate="2011-09-08T19:18:36.937" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1157" PostId="768" Score="1" Text="The [PulseAudio answer](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/19143/why-is-vlc-not-syncing-audio-and-video-correctly/19156#19156) may be on the right track. MaxMackie hasn't actually said whether he's using a sound server now. It's possible that he was using artsd under KDE and is now using a different one (mplayer has a preference list for audio targets so it could behave differently with the same configuration under different desktop environments, I don't know if vlc has the same thing)." CreationDate="2011-09-08T23:25:14.347" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1158" PostId="768" Score="0" Text="This actually makes a ton of sense. I never thought of flagging/downvoting that way but I think I'll be changing my ways. Thanks @Michael" CreationDate="2011-09-08T23:34:19.903" UserId="6266" />
  <row Id="1159" PostId="764" Score="3" Text="@saras one caveat, if your question is very Ubuntu-centric try on http://askubuntu.com" CreationDate="2011-09-10T02:16:36.887" UserId="331" />
  <row Id="1160" PostId="770" Score="4" Text="Does this mean you disagree with what @Michael Mrozek said or not?" CreationDate="2011-09-11T04:25:10.643" UserId="6266" />
  <row Id="1161" PostId="743" Score="0" Text="I think I could try to write post for blog from time to time about some Linux Tips&amp;Tricks... &#xA;&#xA;I would prefer to join blog team after few posts of other users to see if my knowledge/style of writing is ok for a blog.&#xA;&#xA;And there is one problem: as you can see English is not my native language, so it would be required to check my blog notes before posting..." CreationDate="2011-09-14T16:21:31.193" UserId="2661" />
  <row Id="1162" PostId="743" Score="0" Text="@pbm Generally all posts are reviewed/edited before they go out (at least on the other blogs, so I would assume that would happen here as well)" CreationDate="2011-09-14T16:24:46.927" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1163" PostId="724" Score="0" Text="Right now, the U and the L are legible in the favicon. At 16x16 or 32x32, I can scarcely make out what it is supposed to say." CreationDate="2011-09-16T19:23:55.847" UserId="10762" />
  <row Id="1164" PostId="771" Score="1" Text="It probably hadn't noticed it yet the first time you were here; meta isn't exactly in sync with the main site, it can fall behind. I don't know about it showing up as new once it did sync though, that might be considered a bug" CreationDate="2011-09-16T19:47:22.197" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1166" PostId="776" Score="0" Text="If it's a synonym people will probably continue to use it wrong without noticing. Generally questions from SO need editing anyway, so I'm not worried about needing to add it to questions from them" CreationDate="2011-09-17T21:27:14.050" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1167" PostId="776" Score="0" Text="Wrong? But if it's a synonym of [tag:control-flow], it's more likely to be used right." CreationDate="2011-09-17T21:29:04.103" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1168" PostId="776" Score="0" Text="I mean people tagging [loop] when they mean [loop-devices], which they can't do if there's no [loop] to begin with. I guess hopefully they'll notice the latter in the tag editor" CreationDate="2011-09-17T21:37:13.147" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1169" PostId="776" Score="0" Text="If [tag:loop] will pertain to `for` and `while` related questions, then would be logic (and politically correct) to also have [tag:conditional] tag for `if` and `case` related questions." CreationDate="2011-09-18T11:33:43.720" UserId="10412" />
  <row Id="1170" PostId="778" Score="1" Text="Thanks for the information. I did initially take a look at the `voting` tag on SO meta, but didn't see these. This seems a rather overcomplicated system, but at least I know what's going on now." CreationDate="2011-09-19T14:22:36.570" UserId="10762" />
  <row Id="1171" PostId="781" Score="0" Text="Wouldn't you agree that in practise it looks odd and nonstandardised?" CreationDate="2011-09-21T15:25:40.700" UserId="10762" />
  <row Id="1172" PostId="782" Score="1" Text="Ironically, SO's position has started to shift on this a bit. The reason not to have absurdly obvious questions is they *do* take up time and space -- the time of the people reading questions trying to help, and space on the front page that could go to other questions. We very rarely have a question here that's so basic I wouldn't want it, but I can definitely imagine questions like that" CreationDate="2011-10-01T22:22:36.433" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1173" PostId="783" Score="0" Text="I guess I should have looked at the CSS..." CreationDate="2011-10-04T17:43:11.153" UserId="10124" />
  <row Id="1174" PostId="669" Score="0" Text="@Gilles wibble [chat](http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/info/151)" CreationDate="2011-10-05T00:00:49.637" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1175" PostId="783" Score="0" Text="Actually I intended to address that &quot;I suggest to&quot; to the site management. I think this should be solved globally." CreationDate="2011-10-05T07:04:03.263" UserId="10412" />
  <row Id="1177" PostId="757" Score="2" Text="I disagree here. Why can`t the system accept these tiny edits after asking a second time &quot;are your really sure&quot;?" CreationDate="2011-10-09T21:08:17.090" UserId="11083" />
  <row Id="1178" PostId="757" Score="1" Text="@Nils Would anyone ever say no?" CreationDate="2011-10-09T21:32:31.437" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1179" PostId="757" Score="0" Text="In an ideal world - yes. ;-) I see your point here." CreationDate="2011-10-11T20:35:00.853" UserId="11083" />
  <row Id="1180" PostId="781" Score="0" Text="The answer links look quite a bit better on a profile page since there's a style that gets rid of the bold font-weight." CreationDate="2011-10-12T04:50:57.973" UserId="311" />
  <row Id="1181" PostId="783" Score="0" Text="The Mac fonts Menlo (especially) and Monaco are quite a bit closer to the &quot;preferred&quot; Vera Sans Mono than the current first likely fallbacks of Courier New or Courier." CreationDate="2011-10-12T04:59:34.230" UserId="311" />
  <row Id="1184" PostId="785" Score="0" Text="I added the flag &quot;feature request&quot; to the original question for this." CreationDate="2011-10-29T21:21:36.297" UserId="11083" />
  <row Id="1185" PostId="792" Score="1" Text="I am seeing these downvotes on some very basic questions that are easy to answer if you have grown up with computers. For the new generation (I call this the windows-generation) some basic concepts like interrupts, booting, memory access need to be explained. In these cases even wiki entries might be too high-level." CreationDate="2011-10-29T21:25:01.410" UserId="11083" />
  <row Id="1186" PostId="792" Score="0" Text="Is that quote from somewhere? I disagree with it." CreationDate="2011-10-29T21:39:07.960" UserId="2180" />
  <row Id="1187" PostId="792" Score="2" Text="@Shawn: hover over the downvote arrow for a question." CreationDate="2011-10-29T22:28:32.067" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="1189" PostId="792" Score="0" Text="Interesting; I wonder if we should change that, based on http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/203/rejecting-obvious-questions" CreationDate="2011-10-29T22:51:56.733" UserId="2180" />
  <row Id="1190" PostId="792" Score="2" Text="@Shawn - I don't see a reason. The votes are meant to be (almost) democratic - which means everyone can have their own understanding of *minimum research effort* and vote accordingly." CreationDate="2011-10-30T19:19:34.237" UserId="9382" />
  <row Id="1191" PostId="792" Score="0" Text="If a question is really bad, it should be closed - not downvoted. My personal feeling is that downvotes should be on comments - not on questions." CreationDate="2011-11-06T21:43:12.510" UserId="11083" />
  <row Id="1192" PostId="793" Score="0" Text="Before you convince me to vote to close my own question as double... What - in your opionion - is the reason to downvote a question instead of flagging or closing it?" CreationDate="2011-11-06T21:54:44.070" UserId="11083" />
  <row Id="1193" PostId="793" Score="0" Text="@Nils I don't know where flagging/closing came from, we were talking about leaving comments when downvoting. If I downvote a question I usually think it should be closed" CreationDate="2011-11-06T22:04:43.653" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1194" PostId="792" Score="2" Text="@Nils: a downvote can be retracted if the question is edited. A close vote is permanent." CreationDate="2011-11-06T22:59:34.123" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="1195" PostId="791" Score="6" Text="four words say nothing." CreationDate="2011-11-07T05:14:11.327" UserId="5973" />
  <row Id="1196" PostId="793" Score="0" Text="the direction the answers are taking leads imho to the solution to forbid downvotes on questions completely. IMHO flagging/close-votes should be enough." CreationDate="2011-11-07T21:22:22.710" UserId="11083" />
  <row Id="1197" PostId="791" Score="0" Text="@Shog9 That is true - it seems there is no easy solution for this one." CreationDate="2011-11-07T21:26:02.473" UserId="11083" />
  <row Id="1199" PostId="768" Score="2" Text="With your `rm` example, answer 1 goes beyond just being wrong, its actively destructive (maybe even malicious), (as Jeff mentions in his answer). That seems like a good reason to flag. I suggest, &quot;you can list files with the `cat` command&quot; is a better example, as that's not destructive (and plausible, as it means the answerer misunderstood &quot;list&quot;)." CreationDate="2011-11-11T21:44:59.047" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="1200" PostId="800" Score="0" Text="Preferably one that includes slashed or dotted zeros... http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/716/question-title-font-renders-0-number-zero-much-like-o-lower-case-letter" CreationDate="2011-11-15T04:43:26.963" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="1201" PostId="800" Score="2" Text="I wouldn't mind the ponies." CreationDate="2011-11-17T00:37:26.467" UserId="6266" />
  <row Id="1203" PostId="804" Score="0" Text="Sounds good to me." CreationDate="2011-11-23T21:43:56.843" UserId="1925" />
  <row Id="1204" PostId="805" Score="0" Text="The header size is fixed for me now; the reputation scrollbar still isn't (same as your screenshot)" CreationDate="2011-11-27T02:48:31.367" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1205" PostId="810" Score="0" Text="You convinced me. But in this case - the solution is still open, so I do have to edit that question accordingly." CreationDate="2011-11-27T21:25:24.837" UserId="11083" />
  <row Id="1208" PostId="816" Score="0" Text="For example, Giles and Moz are few of the gurus, I would like to keep a tab on their answers." CreationDate="2011-12-06T15:07:45.297" UserId="12856" />
  <row Id="1209" PostId="816" Score="0" Text="See [A &quot;friends list&quot; on Stack Overflow would be nice](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/886/a-friends-list-on-stack-overflow-would-be-nice)" CreationDate="2011-12-06T15:19:45.573" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1210" PostId="817" Score="0" Text="Thanks Caleb and Michael. Thats certainly fine. I just wanted to ask you another feature. Can I be able to PM another user (like may be after if I attain some privileges). I understand the chat functionality is available but I also see most of them do not use or see the chat on U&amp;L. So, I was asking if I can have a PM feature, may be a monthly quota limit on how many msgs I can send, that way spam is also avoided." CreationDate="2011-12-06T20:10:14.493" UserId="12856" />
  <row Id="1211" PostId="816" Score="0" Text="Thanks Michael, that was helpful. Glad to know that I was not alone ;-)" CreationDate="2011-12-06T20:10:46.460" UserId="12856" />
  <row Id="1212" PostId="817" Score="0" Text="@Nikhil: For the same reasons cited, PM'ing is specifically not supported. No form of private communication is provided on the network. You can leave a comment on a post of a user that interests you asking to follow up in chat and either link to the main site chat room or some other room you have setup. It will be public, but you can create a room for whatever related topic you want to chat with people about. If they have already been to chat (many high rep users already have) you can just step in yourself and ping them into the room." CreationDate="2011-12-06T21:02:16.730" UserId="1925" />
  <row Id="1213" PostId="817" Score="0" Text="thx Caleb. Sounds fair. BTW, nice initiative on streaming the questions feed to twitter feed :-)" CreationDate="2011-12-07T09:27:43.937" UserId="12856" />
  <row Id="1215" PostId="819" Score="1" Text="Added the synonym and merged" CreationDate="2011-12-08T15:52:43.663" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1216" PostId="825" Score="0" Text="I didn't know what a kernel oops was, and when I saw the tag I figured it could be an acronym for object-oriented programming languages. The `rm -rf /` reason is definitely a possibility too." CreationDate="2011-12-15T13:43:43.397" UserId="6266" />
  <row Id="1217" PostId="825" Score="1" Text="Turns out there was just the one question using it. I retagged it [tag:kernel-oops] and there ya go." CreationDate="2011-12-15T13:46:45.297" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="1218" PostId="826" Score="0" Text="Done. I've retagged the question with `/calendar` instead. Thanks Michael." CreationDate="2011-12-15T14:58:07.753" UserId="6266" />
  <row Id="1219" PostId="829" Score="2" Text="Awesome, however I would really like to edit that much. Too bad there isn't a way to edit without a bump to front page. I would gladly go through several (and I mean lots) questions/answers to fix them. I'm all for standards." CreationDate="2011-12-17T06:34:17.283" UserId="6266" />
  <row Id="1220" PostId="829" Score="1" Text="Something like the [minor edit](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Minor_edit) checkboxes used by the wiki engines could be definitely helpful. Of course, assuming that edits marked as minor would not bump up the questions." CreationDate="2011-12-17T12:09:25.913" UserId="10412" />
  <row Id="1221" PostId="829" Score="1" Text="@manatwork http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/26483/could-we-have-the-ability-to-mark-a-change-as-minor-in-questions-or-answers" CreationDate="2011-12-17T16:12:10.083" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1223" PostId="830" Score="0" Text="Could having tl;dr auto-link fix these problems?" CreationDate="2011-12-19T11:09:33.500" UserId="13107" />
  <row Id="1224" PostId="830" Score="0" Text="@Pure: I guess it would help.  I don't think the problem is so serious that it needs this kind of fix." CreationDate="2011-12-20T10:40:01.167" UserId="5197" />
  <row Id="1225" PostId="809" Score="0" Text="Same question on Photo-SE meta, for what it's worth: http://meta.photo.stackexchange.com/questions/1601/should-edits-which-add-the-accepted-answer-to-the-question-be-reverted" CreationDate="2011-12-23T02:43:54.127" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="1226" PostId="809" Score="1" Text="And Photo-SE has the same conclusion: a) don't do it; b) if you see someone edit the post to add an answer, reverting it is the right thing to do." CreationDate="2011-12-23T02:44:47.573" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="1227" PostId="835" Score="1" Text="The argument that I'm making is that newbies won't make this assumption.  This wasn't the first time I've seen it, but it's the first time that I've seen a newbie getting mad when a senior moderator tries to correct the question back to the original." CreationDate="2011-12-23T20:42:24.907" UserId="4194" />
  <row Id="1228" PostId="836" Score="1" Text="I completely agree with your post, and that &quot;*BB-style forums suck*&quot;, so don't take it the wrong way when I say &quot;*custom-designed software designed specifically*&quot; is one of the more amusing redundancies I've seen today." CreationDate="2011-12-26T21:03:54.723" UserId="9537" />
  <row Id="1229" PostId="835" Score="0" Text="@Arcege I hope you did not see my comments as &quot;going mad&quot; - apart from that my specific question has been edited after I discussed this on meta." CreationDate="2011-12-26T22:19:33.713" UserId="11083" />
  <row Id="1230" PostId="838" Score="1" Text="This would probably be better on the main meta (http://meta.stackoverflow.com) since it's not really specific to U&amp;L. Please do search there, there have been a lot of discussions about similar ideas (there's even a cross-posting tag). Eg: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/11600/allow-cross-posting-between-serverfault-com-and-superuser-com, http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/64995/please-provide-the-ability-to-cross-post-questions-to-multiple-stack-exchange-co, and others. (Caution: meta.SO is fun, but... different.)" CreationDate="2011-12-27T12:46:16.307" UserId="5842" />
  <row Id="1231" PostId="838" Score="0" Text="@Mat It's fine to post generic stuff on our meta instead of meta.SO, but I do think this was already brought up there" CreationDate="2011-12-27T19:14:21.227" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1232" PostId="831" Score="0" Text="Great! Continue working on ideas. If you need anything from us, please let us know directly (community@stackexchange.com)." CreationDate="2011-12-29T18:20:00.537" UserId="337" />
  <row Id="1233" PostId="831" Score="0" Text="@MichaelMrozek we should buy them a copy of Linux ( not ubuntu as ubuntu is not linux ) &lt;/end troll&gt;. Though in all honesty buying a license of of supported linux might be an option." CreationDate="2011-12-30T05:48:22.990" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="1234" PostId="831" Score="0" Text="@xenoterracide I suggested free copies of Ubuntu to top AU users in chat and got CHAOS to teach me about how [Ubuntu is actually free](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/2188337#2188337)" CreationDate="2011-12-30T06:54:07.187" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1235" PostId="802" Score="0" Text="This has been fixed (a couple days ago I think)." CreationDate="2012-01-04T07:35:14.130" UserId="5842" />
  <row Id="1236" PostId="802" Score="0" Text="@Mat Ah, indeed. Thanks" CreationDate="2012-01-04T07:36:39.363" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1237" PostId="838" Score="1" Text="Flag them for migration." CreationDate="2012-01-07T14:20:34.213" UserId="14059" />
  <row Id="1238" PostId="783" Score="0" Text="Courier only looks wide because of the peculiarities of Windows font rendering system." CreationDate="2012-01-08T09:40:00.727" UserId="14059" />
  <row Id="1239" PostId="783" Score="0" Text="@kinokijuf, then Linux presents the same peculiarities. Note that I tested those fonts on Linux. I put together a [small test table](http://jsfiddle.net/Xc5VU/) on jsFiddle." CreationDate="2012-01-08T12:52:59.237" UserId="10412" />
  <row Id="1240" PostId="783" Score="0" Text="@manatwork I didn’t know Linux supports bitmap fonts." CreationDate="2012-01-08T16:25:52.567" UserId="14059" />
  <row Id="1241" PostId="831" Score="1" Text="Would it be possible to send the top winner(s) to a Linux/UNIX related conference or convention?" CreationDate="2012-01-08T23:18:42.283" UserId="6266" />
  <row Id="1242" PostId="831" Score="0" Text="@MaxMackie Probably, depending on the cost. Any particular conference in mind?" CreationDate="2012-01-08T23:36:55.013" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1243" PostId="831" Score="0" Text="@MichaelMrozek, there's a cool list here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_conference" CreationDate="2012-01-09T01:27:19.063" UserId="6266" />
  <row Id="1244" PostId="832" Score="0" Text="Regarding your bonus suggestion: the [community promotion ads](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/814/community-promotion-ads-2012) would be a good venue." CreationDate="2012-01-09T02:09:19.253" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1246" PostId="831" Score="1" Text="@MaxMackie there are far too many variables in that question.  We'd need to narrow down specifics first in order to evaluate." CreationDate="2012-01-09T03:16:01.553" UserId="2609" />
  <row Id="1247" PostId="846" Score="0" Text="Yes, +1 for the lack of activity in the chat room." CreationDate="2012-01-11T21:20:02.483" UserId="1049" />
  <row Id="1248" PostId="849" Score="0" Text="Thanks. Couldn't whatever magic the question/answer editor does be emulated on these other edit areas though? It handles the vertical-only resizing quite well." CreationDate="2012-01-12T06:45:29.760" UserId="5842" />
  <row Id="1249" PostId="854" Score="0" Text="Yes please. What use are non-merged synonyms anyway?" CreationDate="2012-01-22T19:13:35.873" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1250" PostId="854" Score="0" Text="@Gilles All done." CreationDate="2012-01-22T19:38:12.200" UserId="928" />
  <row Id="1251" PostId="855" Score="0" Text="Maybe a penguin on top the the stack-exchange bubble?" CreationDate="2012-01-23T18:53:35.130" UserId="3256" />
  <row Id="1252" PostId="856" Score="1" Text="Is this really true? On SO the singular versions are winning in all cases" CreationDate="2012-01-24T01:12:39.117" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1253" PostId="856" Score="2" Text="@MichaelMrozek Browsing through [tag:tags] on MSO: [unclear](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/41501/tagging-as-singular-or-plural), [anecdotes](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/97513/merge-value-type-into-value-types). [Jeff prefers plurals](http://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/1788/merge-tags-tab-and-tabs/2357#2357)." CreationDate="2012-01-24T01:24:30.213" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1254" PostId="723" Score="0" Text="How about a penguin? Or the FreeBSD devil? Both?" CreationDate="2012-01-25T15:10:49.360" UserId="11750" />
  <row Id="1255" PostId="723" Score="0" Text="@Kevin It's hard to do stuff like that since we allow all \*nix-like OSes here. The [first design](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/337/design-ideas-for-unix-and-linux-site-updated) tried to stuff a bunch of mascots into the header, but people didn't like it and there were some missing. I think a penguin would be good, but I use Linux so I'm biased a bit" CreationDate="2012-01-25T15:19:13.210" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1256" PostId="859" Score="0" Text="Yeah, I thought so.Though I would argue that it is not a &quot;list anyting&quot; kind of question, but more of a specific &quot;name whole set&quot;, which is fixed, but not universally known." CreationDate="2012-01-25T17:17:16.257" UserId="12471" />
  <row Id="1257" PostId="857" Score="2" Text="Maye they didn't take an X because UX (User Experience SE) alrady has an X in it" CreationDate="2012-01-25T20:20:33.943" UserId="14161" />
  <row Id="1258" PostId="414" Score="0" Text="I always thought something was wrong with my screen, barely visible though." CreationDate="2012-01-25T20:24:51.507" UserId="14161" />
  <row Id="1259" PostId="858" Score="1" Text="Sorry for the offtopic comment, but as you practically already asked it, here's a hint for a starting point: http://copypastecharacter.com/punctuation" CreationDate="2012-01-26T09:03:35.470" UserId="10412" />
  <row Id="1260" PostId="858" Score="0" Text="i'm not sure you've really adequately asked this meta question. for one, i have no idea what you're even asking." CreationDate="2012-01-26T13:00:17.020" UserId="1389" />
  <row Id="1261" PostId="862" Score="1" Text="You have a good point here. Suppose I'm searching for a plugin doing something particular, this would be more appropiate?" CreationDate="2012-01-27T14:26:33.677" UserId="14084" />
  <row Id="1262" PostId="862" Score="5" Text="IMO, those are really borderline too, search engines are built for that type of question. But, if you have searched, found a few plugins that sort of do what you want, but can't find the exact feature (or can't get it to work), then posting a detailed question showing your research effort &amp; describing exactly what you're missing/what's not working for you should be ok. (IMO of course.)" CreationDate="2012-01-27T15:05:38.983" UserId="5842" />
  <row Id="1266" PostId="557" Score="0" Text="@Gilles Do you still see this? I assume it was fixed in the profile redesign" CreationDate="2012-02-03T16:12:42.137" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1267" PostId="557" Score="0" Text="@MichaelMrozek I think whatever code was generating this extra scroll bar disappeared with the profile redesign. Toolocalized away." CreationDate="2012-02-03T21:43:17.483" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1269" PostId="868" Score="2" Text="Your question is a bit vague. What type of question? The faq says: &quot;If your question is a programming question, requiring knowledge of programming languages other than unix shell scripting languages, ask on Stack Overflow.&quot;. Also http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/314/unix-c-api-calls-ontopic" CreationDate="2012-02-06T13:32:43.463" UserId="5842" />
  <row Id="1270" PostId="868" Score="0" Text="@Mat updated question" CreationDate="2012-02-07T10:45:20.607" UserId="9689" />
  <row Id="1271" PostId="869" Score="0" Text="Could you address another shortly another Question that comes to my mind ? &quot;I can find UI lib for Linux that enables possibility of accessing program UI though : ncourses and graphical interface. To make uses possible to access program in Graphical environment and console like `screen` as well&quot;" CreationDate="2012-02-07T12:06:06.823" UserId="9689" />
  <row Id="1272" PostId="869" Score="0" Text="You mean &quot;looking for a library that allows the same program to run either on the terminal, or as a normal X application&quot;?" CreationDate="2012-02-07T12:14:19.867" UserId="5842" />
  <row Id="1273" PostId="869" Score="0" Text="I'd like to write UI code ones. Than, I'd like to choose between `ncurses` and `X-window` (can be any kind : `Gtk`,`Qt`,`wxWindow`,etc) interface. Choice can be made on compilation stage as well as resulting program parameter." CreationDate="2012-02-07T12:43:57.587" UserId="9689" />
  <row Id="1274" PostId="869" Score="0" Text="Well, IMO that's one specific requirement, and it's pretty much tied to Unix-like systems. It could be ok on both U&amp;L and SO, and it's not really easy to search for (not an usual requirement). That being said, it's already been asked: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1256871/linux-library-that-handles-both-gui-textual-mode-user-interfaces, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/40259/gui-tui-linux-library :)" CreationDate="2012-02-07T12:49:58.043" UserId="5842" />
  <row Id="1275" PostId="869" Score="0" Text="Thanks for references I have been searching for it on U&amp;L not on SO :). However, I think it's a good example of programming-related question tied to Unix&amp;Linux environments, to ansering which there is not required programming knowledge/skills." CreationDate="2012-02-07T13:53:42.477" UserId="9689" />
  <row Id="1276" PostId="874" Score="0" Text="I realized at one point that the disconnect between the time you post the answer and the time you get the badge is annoying; I proposed a somewhat complicated solution that got shot down as too confusing, so we left it like this. So, answer early I suppose; you have a greater chance of winning. Only answers posted during the contest count (&quot;You get credit if the answer is posted and gets a badge during the contest&quot;), not just badges earned during the contest; I added a word to try and clarify. I didn't realize Necromancer doesn't require you be first; fixed that part as well" CreationDate="2012-02-12T19:11:37.357" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1277" PostId="874" Score="0" Text="I check the close list most days, so I'm not worried about that part. And it occurred to me that 10k users have an advantage, but then I remembered we have like 4, so I'm not really worried about that either -- if posts start closing entirely by vote because of this I'll be thrilled" CreationDate="2012-02-12T19:12:46.650" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1278" PostId="873" Score="1" Text="Alright! I'm so ready for this. Time to clean up." CreationDate="2012-02-12T22:59:24.167" UserId="6266" />
  <row Id="1279" PostId="874" Score="0" Text="@MichaelMrozek ...I wouldn't say &quot;shot down&quot; so much as, &quot;Summarily panned&quot; but that's just me. :P" CreationDate="2012-02-12T23:14:36.077" UserId="12872" />
  <row Id="1280" PostId="876" Score="0" Text="Then flag it on the other site as off topic and indicate that it would be better served by this site" CreationDate="2012-02-13T02:18:47.067" UserId="13622" />
  <row Id="1281" PostId="876" Score="0" Text="It's been closed by the moderators there as off-topic. They didn't explain why they consider it off-topic - due to its' research nature, due to being a Linux question, or what? Their FAQ doesn't state that questions can't be about Linux - I didn't notice this site before." CreationDate="2012-02-13T02:38:50.323" UserId="15474" />
  <row Id="1282" PostId="876" Score="0" Text="This doesn't belong to either this site or serverfault.com.  This probably belongs to http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/8431/it-security" CreationDate="2012-02-13T02:58:28.873" UserId="13622" />
  <row Id="1283" PostId="876" Score="0" Text="I thought Area 51 was about aliens... has it not occured to anyone to give it a more intuitive name?" CreationDate="2012-02-13T03:09:15.870" UserId="15474" />
  <row Id="1284" PostId="876" Score="0" Text="@nlovric — note that the question there wasn't closed by moderators but rather by community consensus." CreationDate="2012-02-13T04:23:05.047" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="1285" PostId="877" Score="4" Text="If it's an old question and it doesn't have enough info to make a decent guess, just close it. If the comment sounds like it's probably right, you can convert it to an answer (I just did earlier today with a comment that was confirmed right, but never posted as an answer)" CreationDate="2012-02-13T05:39:18.033" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1286" PostId="878" Score="0" Text="If the answer is right there's nothing we can do about it; only the asker can accept answers. If not, post an answer anyway; Necromancer at least doesn't require that you be the first person to answer" CreationDate="2012-02-14T14:04:51.750" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1287" PostId="876" Score="0" Text="@Karlson IT Security has a real URL now: http://security.stackexchange.com. No need to link to the original site proposal. :)" CreationDate="2012-02-15T06:15:10.033" UserId="928" />
  <row Id="1288" PostId="876" Score="0" Text="@AnnaLear Good to know.  I just remembered seeing it Are51." CreationDate="2012-02-15T13:13:26.967" UserId="13622" />
  <row Id="1289" PostId="878" Score="2" Text="If you find any good answer, please upvote it. Having an upvoted answer will take the question off the &quot;unanswered&quot; list. Of course, don't upvote just for the sake of it, only if you have good reason to believe that the answer is correct and helpful." CreationDate="2012-02-15T21:57:52.060" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1290" PostId="877" Score="0" Text="If the questions shows symptoms of a classical problem that has a common solution, then writing up an answer showing this solution (and indicating under what assumptions the answer solves the problem) is helpful for future visitors, even if the original asker hasn't followed up on requests for confirmation." CreationDate="2012-02-15T22:02:19.307" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1291" PostId="879" Score="0" Text="Well, I wrote &quot;I'd like to know&quot;, because &quot;I want to know&quot; is, basically, demanding. Also, it's not absolutely neccessary that I know this; if I don't know this, I just can't adjust the program against DDoS tools." CreationDate="2012-02-16T10:57:49.737" UserId="15474" />
  <row Id="1292" PostId="846" Score="0" Text="Regarding the general matter of promoting late answers: double the points earned there..." CreationDate="2012-02-16T22:18:10.837" UserId="11083" />
  <row Id="1293" PostId="846" Score="0" Text="@Nils That would be a major change to the way SE behaves. Feel free to propose it on [metase], but expect to be shot down." CreationDate="2012-02-16T22:58:45.317" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1294" PostId="881" Score="0" Text="[tag:x-client] sounds like a process or application rather than a window. We use [tag:window] because it's there, but I don't think it's a good tag name, because it's too close to the completely different [tag:windows]." CreationDate="2012-02-20T09:54:26.463" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1295" PostId="881" Score="0" Text="then maybe we can use [tag:x-window] ?" CreationDate="2012-02-20T10:01:33.483" UserId="14409" />
  <row Id="1296" PostId="881" Score="0" Text="Confusingly close to [tag:x-window-system] (for which we use [tag:x11])." CreationDate="2012-02-20T10:20:09.283" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1297" PostId="881" Score="0" Text="what about [tag:gui] ?" CreationDate="2012-02-20T10:33:12.697" UserId="14409" />
  <row Id="1298" PostId="881" Score="0" Text="too generic, that's more of an analog to [tag:command-line]." CreationDate="2012-02-20T11:45:09.540" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1299" PostId="878" Score="0" Text="The asker hasn't actually deleted their account in that example, it never existed (the question was migrated from SO). They could sign up here at any time with the same OpenID and they'd automatically take over the question and have the ability to accept an answer, but it's unlikely. However, neither of the badges require that the answer be accepted; it just needs a high enough score" CreationDate="2012-02-22T15:35:01.900" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1300" PostId="878" Score="0" Text="@MichaelMrozek ok, thanks for this information." CreationDate="2012-02-22T18:33:00.377" UserId="14409" />
  <row Id="1301" PostId="528" Score="1" Text="[6 simple tips to get Stack Overflow reputation fast](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/17204)" CreationDate="2012-02-23T01:11:14.720" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1302" PostId="831" Score="0" Text="...what about doing a contest over SE network? Like solving pony -questions? I would like to point out this pony [here](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/3674/line-numbers-or-chalk-board-to-math-se) that apparently is quite challenging to solve requiring know-how from many areas such as decision-making, hardware (perhaps FPGA-development), software, usability, etc -- it would be freaking fun at least to target such pony -things :D **Pony contest! Where is it?**" CreationDate="2012-02-26T02:17:19.787" UserDisplayName="user2362" />
  <row Id="1303" PostId="831" Score="0" Text="@hhh Besides the fact that you said &quot;pony question&quot; four times, which isn't exactly descriptive and appears to be a term you made up, this doesn't really seem like the kind of thing a lot of people could participate in. Mostly it seems like you just wanted to link to your random meta.math feature request" CreationDate="2012-02-26T03:43:22.573" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1305" PostId="831" Score="0" Text="@MichaelMrozek: Sorry? I had just this ambitious request to create a futuristic chalk board for the help of Math SE. There are surely more interdisciplinary Pony -problems over SE network, some extremely hard or misunderstood. In a Pony team, it would be cool to find such problems and try to direct the right people. For example, the chalk board requires soft-sciences such as decision-making/usability and the hard such as algorithms -- XYZ -points to fail. For community ideal problems but for individual extremely hard. Idealistic things, what is wrong in having FuN? Particularly with goal?" CreationDate="2012-02-26T03:58:05.160" UserDisplayName="user2362" />
  <row Id="1306" PostId="831" Score="0" Text="...or what about this Pony [here](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/31882/ix-laptop-not-mac-really-bundled-with-software-and-hardware-closely) about creating Laptop in a freedom-respecting way? Seriously, they do address many people. It would be fun to set some idealistic Pony -challenges such as Go-to-the-moon-as-private-XYZ-and-you-will-get-a-grand-price and cookies ... or what about this pony [here](http://quant.stackexchange.com/questions/2989/quantitative-analysis-games-on-investing) about creating a FuN-coding-quant-competitions or even a game? Seriously aim for community gain!" CreationDate="2012-02-26T04:02:12.890" UserDisplayName="user2362" />
  <row Id="1309" PostId="831" Score="0" Text="...look quidelines would be like that teams must use SE during the development for the challenges. It would reinforce the knowledge of community for it. Players would have some goal and the community would know what they are trying to achieve. There could middle milestones and they could be more like that if new knowledge is received to understand the problem better to target it in XYZ way later. Look this problem -- the prizes do not need to be even set. What about having prizes that clearly are at the best of community like XYZ investing when needed like FPGA dev board for a prototype?" CreationDate="2012-02-26T04:13:37.153" UserDisplayName="user2362" />
  <row Id="1310" PostId="831" Score="0" Text="...and there are much more than that, for example [here](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/32651/how-to-show-the-percentage-progress-of-script-execution-in-unix) a soft-science question about usability. Often, this kind of questions are blatantly misunderstood. It would cool if they were not buried and brought up to some brainstorming for further processing. The community has a massive potential to solve this kind things but individuals much less so." CreationDate="2012-02-26T04:19:36.973" UserDisplayName="user2362" />
  <row Id="1311" PostId="870" Score="0" Text="`man` is too liberal, e.g. `man Moose` works on my system, but I certainly don't think that it's on topic here. Basically if it's within the bounds of Unix Specified or specific API's I'm cool, but I think it's good to have boundaries between SO and here on programming." CreationDate="2012-02-26T04:36:56.453" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="1312" PostId="882" Score="0" Text="FYI, this [has been asked before](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/88668/unix-stackexchange-com-needs-to-be-added-to-the-mark-as-offtopic-sites-list), without success, partly because the &quot;five sites limit&quot; [probably never will be changed](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/96205/more-options-when-flagging-for-migration)" CreationDate="2012-02-26T17:39:07.947" UserId="5842" />
  <row Id="1313" PostId="884" Score="1" Text="it works well when I flag for moderator attention, thanks for the trick." CreationDate="2012-02-27T19:26:51.243" UserId="14409" />
  <row Id="1314" PostId="887" Score="12" Text="Awesome! Thanks!!" CreationDate="2012-03-02T18:39:38.970" UserId="6266" />
  <row Id="1315" PostId="887" Score="2" Text="Is the SE sharpie supposed to say in the description &quot;Get your **Super User** Sharpie today&quot;?" CreationDate="2012-03-02T19:10:00.273" UserId="11750" />
  <row Id="1316" PostId="887" Score="2" Text="This is fantastic, thank you very much! Unix SE is a great community to be a part of." CreationDate="2012-03-02T19:19:29.273" UserId="10762" />
  <row Id="1317" PostId="887" Score="5" Text="I'm guessing by these measures, Gilles is already on the way to an around-the-world cruise..." CreationDate="2012-03-02T19:30:41.227" UserId="10762" />
  <row Id="1318" PostId="887" Score="0" Text="+1 to @MaxMackie. Now if I only had time to answer more..." CreationDate="2012-03-02T20:06:43.040" UserId="3645" />
  <row Id="1319" PostId="887" Score="0" Text="Thank you very much ^^" CreationDate="2012-03-03T11:20:37.113" UserId="4098" />
  <row Id="1320" PostId="887" Score="0" Text="Thank you!!! :)" CreationDate="2012-03-04T04:15:47.343" UserId="4194" />
  <row Id="1321" PostId="887" Score="1" Text="Weird someone downvoted this offer." CreationDate="2012-03-04T08:45:07.047" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="1322" PostId="887" Score="0" Text="Look forward to it. Thank you!" CreationDate="2012-03-04T17:17:09.140" UserId="4" />
  <row Id="1323" PostId="887" Score="1" Text="@tshepang maybe they just missed the second page." CreationDate="2012-03-05T02:50:14.047" UserId="11750" />
  <row Id="1324" PostId="888" Score="0" Text="keep in mind that sometimes the author didn't get the answer he needed with the highest voted." CreationDate="2012-03-06T02:44:58.973" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="1328" PostId="890" Score="0" Text="Yeah, I see that it works elsewhere (SO)." CreationDate="2012-03-06T18:15:00.190" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="1330" PostId="892" Score="0" Text="What are your system specs - browser version - os, and any other details you might have." CreationDate="2012-03-08T20:24:47.123" UserId="2" />
  <row Id="1331" PostId="892" Score="0" Text="I have updated my post with some more detail: let me know if you need more. Also, disabling javascript has no effect - CPU still hits 100%" CreationDate="2012-03-08T21:05:31.177" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="1332" PostId="892" Score="0" Text="Without javascript enabled there's really no way the notifications will function.  Could you try another browser?" CreationDate="2012-03-08T21:53:16.407" UserId="2" />
  <row Id="1333" PostId="892" Score="1" Text="Seems to work fine in Firefox; no CPU spikes..." CreationDate="2012-03-08T22:15:23.493" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="1334" PostId="892" Score="0" Text="I cannot tell you why this is happening - I'll see if I can build up a VM to test the config you have running.  Honestly I have never used Vimprobable2." CreationDate="2012-03-08T22:16:23.773" UserId="2" />
  <row Id="1335" PostId="892" Score="0" Text="Thanks Geoff: I'm aware it is an extreme corner case - I was more interested to see if anyone else was experiencing it. As it is confined to my setup, I'd not worry too much about it." CreationDate="2012-03-08T22:20:15.187" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="1336" PostId="892" Score="0" Text="Confirmed the same behaviour on my laptop (running the same software), so it is not hardware-related. All my configs are [in this repo](http://beta.intuxication.org/jasonwryan/archer/browse/tip/)" CreationDate="2012-03-08T23:08:52.537" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="1337" PostId="895" Score="0" Text="Referring to http://unix.stackexchange.com/q/33768/13496" CreationDate="2012-03-11T13:51:21.290" UserId="13496" />
  <row Id="1338" PostId="895" Score="1" Text="Nevermind; I guess when they search they can still see the closed-as-duplicate ones and choose to read if they want." CreationDate="2012-03-11T14:01:18.687" UserId="13496" />
  <row Id="1339" PostId="897" Score="0" Text="When you start a meta discussion about a question, please add a link to the discussion in a comment on the question." CreationDate="2012-03-12T00:13:57.580" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1340" PostId="897" Score="0" Text="@Gilles Sorry, thought I had." CreationDate="2012-03-12T01:19:30.280" UserId="10762" />
  <row Id="1341" PostId="898" Score="0" Text="Regarding that last suggestion, that I did. I was the one to first bring the alleged dup to the comments of my question, and point why those answers fell short. Even before having found it I remembered having previously used `retty` and hitting the funny textmode problem that `reptyr` handled ok. Meanwhile I also agree that upkeeping a high-quality site of knowledge such as this doesn't always entail 100% unanimous consent. So good job guys. As to a secondary issue I alluded to in another comment(now gone), I could always turn that into its own question if it's important, which it isn't very." CreationDate="2012-03-12T10:21:33.100" UserId="13496" />
  <row Id="1343" PostId="887" Score="0" Text="Have you got a snapshot of the first two pages? Not sure if was already there on 2nd of march..." CreationDate="2012-03-16T21:16:07.253" UserId="11083" />
  <row Id="1344" PostId="887" Score="1" Text=":) Thanks! Long Live UNIX" CreationDate="2012-03-17T03:53:53.493" UserId="3389" />
  <row Id="1345" PostId="887" Score="0" Text="@nils - you should have got an email if you were." CreationDate="2012-03-17T18:41:29.113" UserId="10762" />
  <row Id="1346" PostId="887" Score="0" Text="@ChrisDown not sure - there are MANY mail-filters between my e-mail and the internet. Mail is not guaranteed to arrive, too." CreationDate="2012-03-17T20:55:51.830" UserId="11083" />
  <row Id="1347" PostId="893" Score="1" Text="An update: for the last day it has worked fine. Not sure how much overlap there is with the javascript being disabled (as it appears to be)." CreationDate="2012-03-20T08:40:46.520" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="1348" PostId="893" Score="1" Text="Well, it was nice while it lasted... CPU spikes returned today with the activity notification script." CreationDate="2012-03-22T07:20:49.673" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="1353" PostId="856" Score="0" Text="I would suggest the opposite: prefer the singular form." CreationDate="2012-03-24T22:38:19.423" UserId="4485" />
  <row Id="1354" PostId="911" Score="0" Text="Not a good question to start with - too many things asked. Answer isn't bad, but can't be real good or stellar with such a broad question, _and_ it is kind of strangely findable nonetheless...  (so -1 from me)" CreationDate="2012-03-27T18:52:54.027" UserId="5842" />
  <row Id="1355" PostId="910" Score="1" Text="Good question &amp; great answers, but 2 questions on SO &amp; one from ServerFault (all good too) seem to push it down a bit in the search results. (+1 anyway)" CreationDate="2012-03-27T19:01:52.340" UserId="5842" />
  <row Id="1356" PostId="917" Score="0" Text="...too localized, becomes rotten -- belongs to chat." CreationDate="2012-03-31T22:38:30.500" UserDisplayName="user2362" />
  <row Id="1357" PostId="918" Score="0" Text="...too localized." CreationDate="2012-03-31T22:39:05.490" UserDisplayName="user2362" />
  <row Id="1358" PostId="913" Score="0" Text="...this question is awfully-phrased but it is extremely good historical question, requiring more work. Unfortunately now hidden, perhaps a good place for necromancer to work ..." CreationDate="2012-03-31T22:43:13.583" UserDisplayName="user2362" />
  <row Id="1359" PostId="916" Score="0" Text="This is explained everywhere (it's right on the man page), but we're pretty high in the search results, and the answer is accurate" CreationDate="2012-04-03T18:09:09.737" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1360" PostId="914" Score="0" Text="We're easily at the top of search results since it's so specific; really good answer" CreationDate="2012-04-03T18:12:22.637" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1361" PostId="913" Score="0" Text="hhh's edit helped a lot. We're surprisingly high in search results; I don't know much about the subject, but the answer seems good" CreationDate="2012-04-03T18:15:20.730" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1362" PostId="912" Score="0" Text="We lost out to a blog and sourceforge's own bug tracker, which both have the same fairly simple answer as us. There's not much to this other than knowing how sourceforge works and what switch to pass to `curl`" CreationDate="2012-04-03T18:17:42.147" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1363" PostId="919" Score="0" Text="I wouldn't have phrased the title this way, but did a search for the title I would've used and found us as the first result, so yay. Another answer that just quotes the man page, but I'm not sure what else you'd say" CreationDate="2012-04-03T18:19:09.897" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1364" PostId="915" Score="0" Text="We were the first useful result for &quot;send hotkey through gnome terminal&quot;. The answer doesn't really solve the problem, but I'm not sure Gnome Terminal has the functionality the OP wants. I would call this par, but I guess we're supposed to vote one way or the other" CreationDate="2012-04-03T18:22:01.330" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1365" PostId="918" Score="0" Text="We're destroyed in search results by official Arch documentation, which isn't a big surprise. The question doesn't really have anything to do with Arch, it's just confusion over architecture nomenclature. The answers are fine, but the lack of search position apparently makes this &quot;bad&quot; anyway (how can something make the internet worse if nobody can even find it?)" CreationDate="2012-04-03T18:25:05.350" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1366" PostId="911" Score="1" Text="He crammed like nine questions into one; I'm tempted to close it, but I guess I should leave it until this is over. I also couldn't find any of the individual questions in search results, so -1" CreationDate="2012-04-03T18:26:42.023" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1367" PostId="917" Score="0" Text="This is covered on about 40000 websites, but we do somehow make it into the early search results for some queries (not &quot;firefox plugin path&quot; or &quot;where does firefox store plugins&quot; though, which are what I would've tried). It's certainly not too localized, it's exactly the opposite, but I have no idea if the answer is right, and the OP abandoned the question. If I'm forced to pick one, I guess -1" CreationDate="2012-04-03T18:30:29.697" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1368" PostId="922" Score="0" Text="I can review (I seem to have enough REP for that), but am not able to see the tab? Does that make sense?" CreationDate="2012-04-05T20:49:18.897" UserId="11083" />
  <row Id="1369" PostId="922" Score="0" Text="@Nils It is kind of strange (you need 2k to review edits, but 5k to see them in one place), but a lot of the moderation tools are like that. The 10k tools are mostly lists of things, like posts with pending close votes, even though you only need 3k to vote to close" CreationDate="2012-04-05T20:50:34.563" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1370" PostId="922" Score="0" Text="I just looked that up - that TAB seems to be linked to the wiki-edit priviledge (5K rep). So should I turn my question into a change request in your opinion?" CreationDate="2012-04-05T20:53:31.760" UserId="11083" />
  <row Id="1371" PostId="922" Score="0" Text="@Nils I doubt it'll get changed. You might want to read [this](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/80070/145982)" CreationDate="2012-04-05T20:55:17.927" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1372" PostId="922" Score="0" Text="I see. Caleb`s comment to that question probably hits the mark. On UL I review every new question anyway. Something that is not possible on SF..." CreationDate="2012-04-05T21:02:50.640" UserId="11083" />
  <row Id="1373" PostId="909" Score="0" Text="Thank you for your participation, everyone! :D" CreationDate="2012-04-06T02:38:58.523" UserId="12872" />
  <row Id="1376" PostId="930" Score="1" Text="I was all, like, wait, what, it looks fine to me. Then I realized I was looking at the one over → right here on meta. The one on the main site _is_ bad." CreationDate="2012-04-17T00:49:58.400" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="1377" PostId="930" Score="1" Text="We'll get a fix rolled out shortly." CreationDate="2012-04-17T01:20:52.387" UserId="343" />
  <row Id="1378" PostId="875" Score="2" Text="me looking forward to this" CreationDate="2012-04-18T09:06:31.847" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="1379" PostId="935" Score="0" Text="unless of course you're using an old version of `du` which didn't have that options ;)" CreationDate="2012-04-18T22:05:15.907" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="1380" PostId="934" Score="6" Text="sometimes the problem is finding the manual you should be reading... or finding what subsection it's named under." CreationDate="2012-04-18T22:06:20.753" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="1381" PostId="934" Score="0" Text="@xenoterracide nothing against that sort of questions. There are some horrible complex man-pages or man pages with missing information out there. But asking &quot;how do I set up SSL on httpd&quot; does not show much research effort." CreationDate="2012-04-19T20:20:50.270" UserId="11083" />
  <row Id="1382" PostId="935" Score="1" Text="@xenoterracide the &quot;-h&quot; option is not that old... ;-)" CreationDate="2012-04-19T20:22:53.917" UserId="11083" />
  <row Id="1383" PostId="935" Score="1" Text="So what about the FAQ idea? I think there are too many people on SF that simply do not know about UL. And it would be good for SF, too if some questions were diverted to more specialized forums." CreationDate="2012-04-19T20:24:28.567" UserId="11083" />
  <row Id="1384" PostId="935" Score="0" Text="@Nils That's what the first paragraph was about. If they want to add us they can, you'll need to talk to the SF mods, but they probably don't want to say &quot;Hey, Unix/Linux questions are fine here, but you should go to this other site instead&quot;" CreationDate="2012-04-19T20:34:16.180" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1385" PostId="934" Score="0" Text="See also [Should we close general reference questions?](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/q/692) . I don't think we have a big problem with general reference questions here, but feel free to downvote them." CreationDate="2012-04-20T00:16:50.617" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1386" PostId="936" Score="0" Text="Yeah, I realized the bit about NUL bytes didn't really tie in well with the rest of the question, so I [split it off](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/36734/is-there-a-way-to-detect-null-bytes-nul-0-in-sed)." CreationDate="2012-04-20T07:26:12.187" UserId="3645" />
  <row Id="1387" PostId="934" Score="1" Text="@Nils the number of acronyms in this question makes my eyes hurt..." CreationDate="2012-04-22T14:35:04.073" UserId="1389" />
  <row Id="1388" PostId="927" Score="0" Text="+1 there's also a quality problem. i've come across some *really bad* commandlinefu... just a property of that general process (it's inherently quantitative to compile/anthologize under a single subject heading, isn't it?) in my opinion; the idea is quality, not quantity." CreationDate="2012-04-22T14:37:29.560" UserId="1389" />
  <row Id="1389" PostId="934" Score="1" Text="**UL** Unix and Linux;&#xA;**SF** Server Fault;&#xA;**RFTM** read the FINE manual;&#xA;**FAQ** frequently asked questions" CreationDate="2012-04-22T19:49:50.527" UserId="11083" />
  <row Id="1390" PostId="938" Score="1" Text="I noticed it because someone upvoted it recently. I asked just in case someone found it worthy." CreationDate="2012-04-24T16:41:44.307" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="1391" PostId="937" Score="0" Text="Without further comment, nobody knows what the content of that question was and why it was deleted. So you should delete this question here too - it's useless now. Or maybe add a description of that question." CreationDate="2012-04-24T19:43:18.703" UserId="4485" />
  <row Id="1392" PostId="934" Score="0" Text="Imho, if you think most questions are affected, you should do a list of questions from one day, and indicate, which of them should be moved, to show, that it is indeed a majority." CreationDate="2012-04-24T19:56:26.080" UserId="4485" />
  <row Id="1393" PostId="489" Score="0" Text="I agree that the trouble-shooting process is useful, so would it be better to edit (a transcript of) the trouble-shooting process into the question?" CreationDate="2012-05-02T08:51:03.697" UserId="9537" />
  <row Id="1394" PostId="947" Score="0" Text="If you haven't seen it already you should see this post.  http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2012/03/respect-the-community-your-own-and-others/  It covers this topic at a broad level." CreationDate="2012-05-04T23:20:22.113" UserId="1209" />
  <row Id="1395" PostId="948" Score="0" Text="note: wasn't accepted when I posted. I personally would have thought that one is a significantly better fit personally, since none of it has anything at all to do with unix. In fact all the steps mentioned apply to php/mailservers on windows." CreationDate="2012-05-04T23:43:20.770" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="1396" PostId="948" Score="0" Text="@xenoterracide [Offtopic - A Stance - Programming / Servers / Cross Platform Applications](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/q/97)" CreationDate="2012-05-04T23:45:24.453" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1397" PostId="948" Score="0" Text="but if you think that it's a good enough fit, you do way more for this site than I do" CreationDate="2012-05-05T00:27:27.780" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="1398" PostId="948" Score="0" Text="lol basically referencing things I wrote, that's epic. eh, whatever." CreationDate="2012-05-05T00:28:44.067" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="1399" PostId="934" Score="0" Text="@userunknown the movement regards movement from SF to UL. But quality seems to rise in UL as more and more users get over here (from SF)." CreationDate="2012-05-10T11:07:50.243" UserId="11083" />
  <row Id="1400" PostId="951" Score="0" Text="I have since then made my edit from the tag wiki page. The only traces of the bug are in the server logs." CreationDate="2012-05-24T20:30:21.397" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1401" PostId="951" Score="0" Text="[Improving suggested edit tag wikis leads to a 404](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/87036) looks similar" CreationDate="2012-05-24T20:38:29.247" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1402" PostId="951" Score="0" Text="Hmm... Can't reproduce this *just* by approving a tag wiki edit and then submitting an improvement to it in another (previously opened) window - get a warning that it's been edited in the meantime. But yeah, you submitted your improvement 3 seconds after Mrozek approved the edit." CreationDate="2012-05-25T05:10:07.867" UserId="5973" />
  <row Id="1403" PostId="944" Score="1" Text="Just to make sure, you can treat Meta Stack Overflow as Global-Meta, because at the moment it is. Whenever you find a consensus there, you can be sure that it went at least through the hands of one developer." CreationDate="2012-05-29T18:29:30.643" UserId="4106" />
  <row Id="1404" PostId="944" Score="0" Text="@Bobby I thought so but was unsure." CreationDate="2012-05-29T21:25:32.960" UserId="15630" />
  <row Id="1406" PostId="955" Score="2" Text="I don't see anything ambiguous about it, especially because the answer could easily cover different package managers. This was just fundamentals, nothing needing specific info of this or that package manager (i.e. an answer would apply to any of apt, yum, zypper, pacman). Or, did I miss something?" CreationDate="2012-06-10T23:06:01.957" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="1407" PostId="955" Score="3" Text="_Parts_ of an answer could apply to apt,yum, zypper or pacman... To cover them all it would inevitably be so high-level, with so many exceptions/caveats that it would be less about package managers _per se_ and more about software installation and management." CreationDate="2012-06-10T23:11:23.103" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="1408" PostId="956" Score="0" Text="QNX is not Linux. It has a POSIX interface, but then, so does Windows." CreationDate="2012-06-12T13:11:25.743" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1409" PostId="956" Score="0" Text="I had forgotten the 'like' in my post." CreationDate="2012-06-12T14:00:16.930" UserId="18455" />
  <row Id="1410" PostId="958" Score="1" Text="So am I reading you right that &quot;current status on Mac OS X&quot; or &quot;current status on Debian Stable&quot; would be too localized (in time), but &quot;status on Mac OS X 10.4.1&quot; or &quot;status on Debian 6.0 with Linux 2.6.32-5&quot; would be acceptable because they specify the &quot;time&quot;? Assuming of course that the question is otherwise specific enough to be answerable." CreationDate="2012-06-14T12:52:10.910" UserId="2465" />
  <row Id="1411" PostId="958" Score="0" Text="@MichaelKjörling  that's essentially what I'm saying yes." CreationDate="2012-06-15T11:02:31.413" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="1412" PostId="961" Score="15" Text="Unix begat Linux... It is customary to refer to the progenitor before the progeny." CreationDate="2012-06-19T21:15:03.663" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="1413" PostId="955" Score="0" Text="@jasonwryan Did you look at my answer? I found the question clear enough..." CreationDate="2012-06-20T19:15:08.650" UserId="11083" />
  <row Id="1414" PostId="940" Score="1" Text="I sometimes wait for a better answer for a long time. Sometimes I did not get the right answer even after awarding a bonus. Sometimes I just need time to test the answers thoroughly. And sometimes I get a late &quot;accept&quot;, too. So Michael is probably right (again)." CreationDate="2012-06-20T19:21:16.690" UserId="11083" />
  <row Id="1415" PostId="888" Score="1" Text="It is a little bit annoying to spend much time for the &quot;right&quot; answer and to never earn the accept-points for it, just because the poster did never attend his question again..." CreationDate="2012-06-20T19:22:25.787" UserId="11083" />
  <row Id="1416" PostId="955" Score="0" Text="@Nils No, because you answered three days _after_ I downvoted... If you are asking me to reverse my decision, I respectfully decline, for the reasons I have stated above." CreationDate="2012-06-20T19:57:15.117" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="1417" PostId="961" Score="3" Text="this isn't going to happen" CreationDate="2012-06-20T20:51:14.553" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="1418" PostId="955" Score="0" Text="@jasonwryan it is solely your decision. Apart from that most people do not name their distribution in questions here. I wonder why that is..." CreationDate="2012-06-20T21:51:38.993" UserId="11083" />
  <row Id="1419" PostId="955" Score="0" Text="@Nils I'm not sure. I suspect some of them may be new to GNU/Linux and assume that everyone uses $theirdistro..." CreationDate="2012-06-20T21:56:51.210" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="1420" PostId="888" Score="0" Text="@Nils, I agree completely,  that's exactly what I was referring to in my OP. I understand sometimes a question never gets a correct answer, but sometimes an answer is undeniably correct.  The system also fails to appreciate the lack of votes on tumbleweeds.  You might never get an up-vote, your only points might be those of an accepted answer." CreationDate="2012-06-21T13:52:38.973" UserId="10987" />
  <row Id="1421" PostId="955" Score="1" Text="This expectation of a &quot;supreme distro&quot; is one of the most frustrating things about answering &quot;linux&quot; questions.  Granted there are big, gigantic swaths of common ground between them.  But when it comes to package management and/or installing programs, that is where you have entirely too many differences (sometimes for bad, others for good) between distros.  More users need to understand that we can't mind-read them to figure out what distro they're using." CreationDate="2012-06-21T23:31:45.887" UserId="19689" />
  <row Id="1422" PostId="955" Score="0" Text="@killermist But in this case - this was IMHO intended as general question. And interesting enough - I did never run across a book that covers that topic in depth. I had to trace (or look into the scripts for) the update/patch process of each distribution to get to know how it actually works. Even the man-pages don`t actually tell you HOW the update-process works in detail." CreationDate="2012-06-23T21:32:00.510" UserId="11083" />
  <row Id="1423" PostId="955" Score="1" Text="@Nils Fair enough.  But, personally, I think that if the question was supposed to be &quot;In general, how do Linux distributions handle package management?&quot; then that is how it probably should have been worded.  The way it WAS worded, the knee-jerk reaction in my head was immediately &quot;Great, you forgot to mention what distro's package system you wanted detail on...&quot;  Often when I'm reacting to a question, I don't really care if it is a &quot;good&quot; question or not, but HOW the question was asked.  Good, _relevant_ details go a long way to salvaging a not-great question." CreationDate="2012-06-23T22:10:48.270" UserId="19689" />
  <row Id="1424" PostId="964" Score="0" Text="Thanks :) I'd appreciate it even more if you said so when you voted.. Yeah I know the error eventually is a broken data, but I wanted to know why that data got corrupted at the first place.. And it just keeps getting that error even when I remove the corrupted line. And I added so much (even the cron part) because I was clueless, and since it may help troubleshoot if I made some silly mistake here or there, I thought it might be a clue for somebody to point out..." CreationDate="2012-06-26T09:52:06.123" UserId="9632" />
  <row Id="1425" PostId="964" Score="0" Text="@amyassin as I said you provided all the necessary information which is good. But I am not sure about adding a comment about the vote, seems to be unnecessary as you would need at least 4 other votes." CreationDate="2012-06-26T10:07:26.183" UserId="8979" />
  <row Id="1426" PostId="964" Score="0" Text="But it clarify your point.." CreationDate="2012-06-26T11:02:54.410" UserId="9632" />
  <row Id="1427" PostId="965" Score="0" Text="Well said.. I agree. I posted the question originally at serverfault, I thought that sysadmins there might've seen similar things.." CreationDate="2012-06-27T06:40:21.487" UserId="9632" />
  <row Id="1428" PostId="966" Score="0" Text="This is because the mobile site has a common skin, whereas each site gets its own main skin--and SE forgot (or deliberately ignored to preserve the design) unix." CreationDate="2012-07-04T20:08:46.183" UserId="17002" />
  <row Id="1429" PostId="966" Score="3" Text="@Manishearth They _forgot_ us?! :)" CreationDate="2012-07-04T20:57:26.190" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="1430" PostId="966" Score="1" Text=":P Either that or they deliberately wanted the old look of the kbd on U&amp;L. It _does_ look appropriate here, to me :)" CreationDate="2012-07-05T01:51:16.823" UserId="17002" />
  <row Id="1431" PostId="964" Score="0" Text="And now you found the solution? But why as comment - not as answer?" CreationDate="2012-07-05T21:09:03.493" UserId="11083" />
  <row Id="1432" PostId="964" Score="0" Text="@Nils i didn't find an answer? i just provided some pointers, i am not sure what the problem is (something is wrong in the logfile, logrotation, non continuous increasing timestamps etc.). Therefore i didn't answer it as i personally don't know what caused the problem / how to solve it in detail." CreationDate="2012-07-05T21:16:10.037" UserId="8979" />
  <row Id="1433" PostId="968" Score="0" Text="That's a good point, but how can I phrase it as a straight question? I have no clue, and all I want is the clue.. Can you suggest a title?" CreationDate="2012-07-10T13:16:52.763" UserId="9632" />
  <row Id="1434" PostId="964" Score="0" Text="That was a good point, but still is not an answer. But I actually would prefer if it was in the form of an answer, so further modification can be done to it till it can reform a good solution..." CreationDate="2012-07-10T13:18:38.610" UserId="9632" />
  <row Id="1435" PostId="968" Score="0" Text="@amyassin  Maybe, &quot;Doing reporting with Sarg/Squid, why does one cron job run OK, but another start exhibiting errors?&quot;   It is a complicated question, to be sure, but it does help flesh out what isn't working." CreationDate="2012-07-10T15:07:57.543" UserId="19689" />
  <row Id="1436" PostId="968" Score="0" Text="actually both cron jobs are't working, and the basic execution of sarg binary fails as well, but I'll edit the title accordingly..." CreationDate="2012-07-11T00:27:07.050" UserId="9632" />
  <row Id="1437" PostId="973" Score="2" Text="See http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/24611/is-it-legal-to-copy-stack-overflow-questions-and-answers/48962" CreationDate="2012-07-11T23:57:27.167" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="1438" PostId="973" Score="0" Text="Already reported on the main meta: [Report sites that use SE content without following attribution rules here](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/131846/131884#131884)" CreationDate="2012-07-12T00:32:24.173" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1439" PostId="972" Score="4" Text="Interesting numbers. I would have thought there were more migrations. Perhaps the numbers are low, because there is no path yet? Any way - it would make your live easier..." CreationDate="2012-07-13T20:33:13.323" UserId="11083" />
  <row Id="1442" PostId="977" Score="0" Text="Ah understandable. I saw in my reputation points, that I had no downvotes, so maybe someone did upvote me then took it back. Thanks for that." CreationDate="2012-07-20T14:18:24.243" UserId="20752" />
  <row Id="1443" PostId="971" Score="0" Text="AskUbuntu would fit in nicely too." CreationDate="2012-07-21T11:59:17.687" UserId="20437" />
  <row Id="1444" PostId="971" Score="0" Text="@lynxlynxlynx I did not see that many Ubuntu-questions here (see statistics from Michael in his answer). I saw more Ubuntu-questions on SF." CreationDate="2012-07-21T21:06:52.717" UserId="11083" />
  <row Id="1446" PostId="856" Score="0" Text="/symlink should stay as /symlinks if you really want to go for plural. But not for /symbolic-links. Because most people tend tii use the shorter form in all forms of speech." CreationDate="2012-07-26T10:59:37.917" UserId="21183" />
  <row Id="1447" PostId="982" Score="0" Text="Yes - but how can a bot suggest an edit?" CreationDate="2012-07-30T19:13:10.607" UserId="11083" />
  <row Id="1448" PostId="982" Score="0" Text="That sounds like a question for Stack Overflow! In seriousness, it's either a low-paid human doing sad, sad grunt-work, or else a moderately clever script." CreationDate="2012-07-30T19:24:56.313" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="1449" PostId="982" Score="0" Text="I did not know that is was so easy to edit as anonymous user. Is there not some captchure-barrier or something like that?" CreationDate="2012-07-30T19:45:16.567" UserId="11083" />
  <row Id="1450" PostId="986" Score="0" Text="I'm not sure I understand if you want to find questions you've voted to close (you can't yet, so you don't have any, but you've found the place where those go), find questions that you have asked and that have been voted to close (don't think there's anything for that), or questions that you have asked and have been closed (there's a search operator for that)." CreationDate="2012-08-04T08:07:46.297" UserId="5842" />
  <row Id="1451" PostId="989" Score="0" Text="Thank you for that. It just was confusing in the beginning, cuz as I deleted it, I still saw it, and it looked like other people could still see it, but was highlighted red." CreationDate="2012-08-10T10:07:47.513" UserId="20752" />
  <row Id="1452" PostId="989" Score="3" Text="Note that it's not just moderators: users with 10k rep and above see other people's deleted answers too." CreationDate="2012-08-10T13:02:28.680" UserId="5842" />
  <row Id="1453" PostId="994" Score="0" Text="The non-closed orphans are [Jeff's fault](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/48417/should-we-zap-the-low-occurrence-tags/48418#48418). I've [repeatedly](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/127700/do-not-expire-single-use-tags-that-have-a-tag-wiki) [requested](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/79733/please-allow-low-occurence-tags-to-be-declared-persistent) ways to save them." CreationDate="2012-08-17T07:07:10.130" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1454" PostId="604" Score="0" Text="Follow up: [Please rename /ports to /bsd-ports, and what to do about /ports?](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/q/997)" CreationDate="2012-08-18T20:03:23.963" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1455" PostId="844" Score="0" Text="May I humbly suggest the FreeBSD ads featured on Server Fault: Secure: http://i.stack.imgur.com/DpB75.png Creation: http://i.imgur.com/gz1Si.png Choice: http://i.imgur.com/FR25D.png" CreationDate="2012-08-21T15:08:33.080" UserId="5083" />
  <row Id="1457" PostId="1003" Score="0" Text="I'm not sure if maybe this needs to be on [meta.SO](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/) to get the attention of the developers? Not sure how often they look at all the SE site metas." CreationDate="2012-08-31T17:01:35.217" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="1458" PostId="1003" Score="0" Text="@derobert:Thank you,i had a bad experience couple of weeks ago because of not using meta!And now when i am using meta,No one is here to listen :-/ you,this is really sad and frustrating.I have a question to ask which is important to me, where else should i go and what else can i do about solving this issue?I would appreciate a hint or two if you will :)" CreationDate="2012-08-31T18:12:37.010" UserId="21991" />
  <row Id="1459" PostId="1003" Score="3" Text="I am not a SE developer so I can't say for sure, but I notices that you frequently do not put spaces between the end of your punctuation and the beginning of the next word. Also you are not capitalizing sentences or words like &quot;I&quot;." CreationDate="2012-09-01T03:42:13.400" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="1460" PostId="1003" Score="2" Text="(I don't want to sound harsh on this, sorry if I do) I edited your question to improve readability; see this as an example on how spelling is important for a good question (and this might be triggering the 'low quality' filter)." CreationDate="2012-09-01T05:42:49.443" UserId="15630" />
  <row Id="1461" PostId="1003" Score="1" Text="@Renan:Thankyou,I'll have that in mind:)&#xA;Xenoterracide:Thank you too for pointing it out,I'll try my best to eliminate those mistakes as well." CreationDate="2012-09-01T06:43:52.677" UserId="21991" />
  <row Id="1462" PostId="1017" Score="2" Text="I'm quite aware that these questions don't meet the current FAQ criteria. But there's a big difference between &quot;the FAQ is an exhaustive list of what can be asked, and has been carefully constructed over a long time, and we're happy with it&quot; and &quot;the FAQ offers some guidelines, it's a work in progress, and x is a gray area&quot;. Policy should be positive, not negative. Let's close questions because we explicitly agree to do so, not because we implicitly didn't think of them back in the day." CreationDate="2012-09-12T17:59:21.993" UserId="22651" />
  <row Id="1463" PostId="1017" Score="0" Text="The purpose of this question is to explicitly clarify these topics, one way or another." CreationDate="2012-09-12T17:59:44.593" UserId="22651" />
  <row Id="1464" PostId="1017" Score="1" Text="&quot;_I sincerely believe there is no good, universal answer to that sort of question (again, whether it's migrating to Linux or anything else), and thus the question doesn't meet the Stack Exchange-wide question criteria_.&quot; So my opinion is that the sort of question you pointed out does not belong here. As for the other question types, I gave my opinion more directly." CreationDate="2012-09-12T18:05:05.720" UserId="5842" />
  <row Id="1465" PostId="1018" Score="0" Text="C, C++ (and GCC btw) aren't specific to Linux or Unix in any way. These include statements have the same semantics on other operating systems types. That's a programming question." CreationDate="2012-09-12T20:20:54.090" UserId="5842" />
  <row Id="1466" PostId="1020" Score="2" Text="I don't think it's quite that straightforward. While it's true that anecdotal answers might be provided to a poorly phrased question, there is still a good, non-subjective question here. Compare it to [Making money with open source as a developer](http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/100685/making-money-with-open-source-as-a-developer). Lots of anecdotal answers, but still possible to summarise what is known, and produce something genuinely useful to the world." CreationDate="2012-09-12T21:24:44.717" UserId="22651" />
  <row Id="1467" PostId="1020" Score="0" Text="Even if the top answer was &quot;it's very hard to know the benefits. Here are some major studies, they have these issues. What we do know is that x, y and z switched...&quot;, that's still very useful, non-subjective, valid content. These questions are *harder* to ask and answer well, but I don't know why that means we should just ban them." CreationDate="2012-09-12T21:27:21.740" UserId="22651" />
  <row Id="1468" PostId="1020" Score="1" Text="The theoretical possibility of constructive answers is not, in my opinion, a reason to encourage what is essentially a web forum-type discussion on a wiki. There are plenty of sites that host these discussions already, I don't see a material benefit in importing that sort of thing here." CreationDate="2012-09-12T21:31:57.340" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="1469" PostId="1022" Score="0" Text="**1)** I ask this question because I didn't find the general merging guideline. Does that mean that there is no general way how to do that and all merging is done manually?  &#xA;**2)** Yes there was my original idea. Create new question and delete the old one. But since the old one is now closed. I cannot delete it.&#xA;**3)** In the comments of the old question I was told that it doesn't work that way. So I'm just wondering which way it works?" CreationDate="2012-09-12T23:18:04.143" UserId="15812" />
  <row Id="1470" PostId="1022" Score="0" Text="if you want we can delete the old one, but yes the way to do a merge is manual and done by a mod." CreationDate="2012-09-12T23:19:49.350" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="1471" PostId="1023" Score="0" Text="Oh. I didn't know that the flag is used for that. Thanks." CreationDate="2012-09-12T23:20:38.260" UserId="15812" />
  <row Id="1472" PostId="1022" Score="0" Text="Fine. Then delete the old one please. Thank you." CreationDate="2012-09-12T23:21:57.477" UserId="15812" />
  <row Id="1473" PostId="1022" Score="0" Text="It's been closed" CreationDate="2012-09-12T23:26:23.770" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="1474" PostId="1022" Score="0" Text="So the old question is gone. And whether the new question is on topic or not is currently [under discussion](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/1015/are-questions-about-linux-in-the-context-of-business-or-society-on-topic). Can the new question be re-opened, at least until the discussion resolves (at which point it could be closed, correctly, as 'off-topic' if necessary)?" CreationDate="2012-09-13T01:43:26.017" UserId="22651" />
  <row Id="1475" PostId="1016" Score="1" Text="This is all very romantic, but I don't see how questions like this are a good fit on a Q&amp;A site, particularly this one. The first bullet in the FAQ is the most important; the site is about &quot;Using or administering a *nix desktop or server&quot;. This is neither, this is about the cost savings of deploying Linux at a business (and &quot;how big they need to be&quot;, as though there's a fixed answer to that). There's no overlap at all, they both include the word &quot;Linux&quot;, but they're completely different; this is a question for managers, not technical people" CreationDate="2012-09-13T02:19:57.950" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1476" PostId="1016" Score="0" Text="@Michael Mrozek - I think this site is about *Unix and Linux*. Almost all questions here will be technical, and that's fine. Whether this specific question is good or bad is mostly beside the point; good questions in this area can, and (in my opinion) *should* be asked. Many of us remember  the terrible, and terribly popular subjective questions asked in the early days of Stack Overflow. We want to never allow that, and rightly so. My concern is throwing the baby out with the bathwater, and leaving all of us poorer as a consequence." CreationDate="2012-09-13T03:55:35.833" UserId="22651" />
  <row Id="1477" PostId="1020" Score="0" Text="I have no interest in discussions here either. I agree with the take-home message in [Good subjective, bad subjective](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/09/good-subjective-bad-subjective/): *questions that are not answerable — discussions, debates, opinions — should be closed as subjective.* The only argument I am making here is this: **There is a subset of questions, which are not purely technical, which are about Unix or Linux, which have narrow focus and are answerable. They should be allowed.**" CreationDate="2012-09-13T04:05:24.610" UserId="22651" />
  <row Id="1478" PostId="1020" Score="0" Text="Yes: I am not disagreeing with your general point; but commenting on the specific questions that were closed. Questions should always be considered on a case-by-case basis. FWIW, in my experience, almost any under your first two bullet points will quickly devolve into bikeshedding." CreationDate="2012-09-13T04:21:53.113" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="1479" PostId="1025" Score="0" Text="Thanks: I [had searched](http://www.google.com/search?q=stackoverflow+commenting+on+closed+questions&amp;hl=en&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;prmd=ivns&amp;ei=TGFRUM35Ium1iQfp-YCwCw&amp;start=0&amp;sa=N) but didn't turn that up." CreationDate="2012-09-13T04:31:30.453" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="1480" PostId="1028" Score="0" Text="you're right, I shouldn't be copying them from wiki directly" CreationDate="2012-09-16T04:57:37.727" UserId="11318" />
  <row Id="1481" PostId="423" Score="0" Text="@Jin But there are _faked_ small caps now. This is ugly and even worse than large caps only." CreationDate="2012-09-25T12:58:29.793" UserId="23847" />
  <row Id="1482" PostId="1030" Score="2" Text="The main problem with the message style is #4, which you've somehow spun into a positive -- the constant feeds messages hide posts from actual users. I used to miss real messages all the time; I'd be scrolling through the backlog and see a message from days ago that I hadn't realized ever happened. Feeds posts look like normal posts, so if they're 95% of the posts in the room people will stop checking. #1 is true, but the fixed size box doesn't seem like a problem. #2 is totally unimportant; just post a link to the question. #3 isn't specific to the ticker. #5 is true, but should be fixable" CreationDate="2012-09-26T04:07:40.190" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1483" PostId="1030" Score="0" Text="@MichaelMrozek [fix it and I'll come back to the room](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/115224/can-i-silence-ticker-feeds-in-a-chat-room)" CreationDate="2012-09-26T07:17:33.153" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1485" PostId="619" Score="0" Text="I'd like to see this too, however the provided link no longer works." CreationDate="2012-09-26T21:10:09.707" UserId="4801" />
  <row Id="1486" PostId="619" Score="0" Text="@dubiousjim: fixed." CreationDate="2012-09-26T21:29:43.153" UserId="5973" />
  <row Id="1487" PostId="1028" Score="0" Text="Maybe there could be some warning placed on the tag wiki suggest page" CreationDate="2012-09-27T14:25:50.957" UserId="11318" />
  <row Id="1488" PostId="405" Score="0" Text="I actually believe that the &quot;ask question&quot; button is very hard to spot for a new user.." CreationDate="2012-09-27T20:20:30.987" UserId="12513" />
  <row Id="1491" PostId="1037" Score="1" Text="Looks better with a link, and sorted by count: http://data.stackexchange.com/unix%20and%20linux/query/81670/all-tags-without-a-wiki-excerpt" CreationDate="2012-10-03T18:17:50.677" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1492" PostId="952" Score="4" Text="Any news on this front?  The biggest problem with the old `kbd` styling that we currently still have is that they are too large and don't fit in well with surrounding text.  Dense usage typical of posts about keyboard shortcuts (which is what `kbd` tags are for right?) ends up looking like a cramped mess.  Semantically `kbd` tags make more sense but I am sorely tempted to just ignore them and use normal `code` markup instead, in the interest of readability." CreationDate="2012-10-03T20:43:51.810" UserId="9537" />
  <row Id="1493" PostId="1037" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the heads up, I'll use a spell checker. And I will not add wiki for obvious tags like `keyboard`." CreationDate="2012-10-04T00:20:56.080" UserId="11318" />
  <row Id="1494" PostId="1037" Score="0" Text="Shouldn't excerpt be precise? How long should it be then" CreationDate="2012-10-04T00:22:55.440" UserId="11318" />
  <row Id="1495" PostId="1037" Score="1" Text="@warl0ck It's not the length, it's the number of errors. If it's a language barrier problem then that's fine; I can't tell. But it'd save work for the people reviewing the edits if you proofread them" CreationDate="2012-10-04T00:52:07.410" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1496" PostId="1037" Score="0" Text="@MichaelMrozek okay, will do" CreationDate="2012-10-04T00:54:41.840" UserId="11318" />
  <row Id="1497" PostId="111" Score="0" Text="Does this answer need updating? I am concerned by the *18 questions* part." CreationDate="2012-10-07T17:23:38.257" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="1498" PostId="111" Score="0" Text="I'm not updating this every time somebody retags a question; there were 18 questions as of 7 Sep 2010" CreationDate="2012-10-07T17:24:50.430" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1499" PostId="1044" Score="0" Text="It would be more acceptable to me if the tag was only used in the case of the `limit` command you mention, and nowhere else." CreationDate="2012-10-09T09:30:07.613" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="1500" PostId="1044" Score="0" Text="@Tshepang That doesn't make any sense. There are extremely few questions (probably none yet) about the `limit` csh builtin. There's a [tag:ulimit] tag for the corresponding Bourne shell builtin. [tag:limit] is more general, and makes more sense as a result: it's about what you're trying to achieve and not the precise way to do it. You haven't explained why you think the tag is unacceptable. Why do you object to it (other than its having no subscriber, which as I said is not a valid objection)?" CreationDate="2012-10-09T11:27:35.853" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1501" PostId="1044" Score="0" Text="I just think it is too general (not specific enough). I had a look at [the tag at Stack Overflow](http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/limit) for comparison, and though it has over 1000 questions, it only has 4 subscribers. That's how uninteresting it is." CreationDate="2012-10-09T15:43:17.477" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="1502" PostId="1044" Score="0" Text="I just think that a good tag is one where a bunch of people would think *that's an interesting one to subscribe to*. How many people would say they are interested in **limits**? Limits of what?" CreationDate="2012-10-09T15:47:12.823" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="1503" PostId="1044" Score="0" Text="@Tshepang Again, that's not the only use of tags. They are also useful when searching questions. Besides, someone might subscribe to the tag, say the author of a CPU or bandwidth throttling tool." CreationDate="2012-10-09T18:06:09.247" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1504" PostId="1041" Score="1" Text="Linux is such a huge proportion of the site that using it to filter interesting questions isn't very useful. But it is useful in searches, or in blacklists (e.g. by OSX users who want to keep the volume down). I have no idea what [tag:linux-internals] or [tag:linux-filesystems] is supposed to mean, and I think [tag:linux]+[tag:kernel] or [tag:linux-kernel] is fine for device drivers (plus a tag indicating the type of device)." CreationDate="2012-10-10T01:17:36.403" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1505" PostId="1041" Score="0" Text="“Technically, Linux is the kernel”: you are confusing *technically* with *etymologically* or *pedantically*. The word Linux can mean the kernel originally written by Linux Torvalds, or any unix-like operating system built on this kernel (a Linux distribution). In most instances, the second meaning applies, and that is the meaning we use in the site name and in the tag. See also [metonymy](http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/metonymy)." CreationDate="2012-10-10T01:19:19.867" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1506" PostId="1044" Score="0" Text="That someone is going to get questions unrelated to subject of interest since `limits` is pretty much vague. For example, look at the number of questions unrelated to CPUs on that tag. Also, if used for searching, surely the word *limit* will be in the text, so the post should show up in results." CreationDate="2012-10-10T08:55:51.117" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="1507" PostId="295" Score="0" Text="Advising cross-posting is not a good idea, should be &quot;flag for migration&quot; instead." CreationDate="2012-10-12T07:51:25.590" UserId="5842" />
  <row Id="1508" PostId="295" Score="0" Text="@Mat: I know it's against Stack Exchange policy and frowned upon by most. I still say if it's done very carefully it can work, and I personally think that's why it's so frowned upon: most people don't do it carefully. If you *must* do it, make sure that you keep both questions updated -- when one gets a correct answer, post it on the other and link them together. Don't leave one open and one answered. But you're right Mat, **the official stance is that cross posting is bad and users should flag for migration instead.**" CreationDate="2012-10-12T12:17:21.470" UserId="1974" />
  <row Id="1509" PostId="1053" Score="0" Text="At the second thought I’ve seen that notice-helper may just suggest a list of GNU/Linux distro names for a user to pick from or to type a distro name he has." CreationDate="2012-10-18T22:36:06.703" UserId="10075" />
  <row Id="1510" PostId="1053" Score="0" Text="Many questions are specific to Linux, but not to a particular distribution. These questions (and ideally only these questions) should be tagged [tag:linux]. If this site was only about Linux, a [tag:linux] site would be redundant, but that is not the case. This site caters to unices that are not Linux, and therefore the [tag:linux] tag is meaningful and necessary." CreationDate="2012-10-19T11:55:53.787" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1511" PostId="1053" Score="0" Text="Updated my answer." CreationDate="2012-10-19T14:07:12.180" UserId="10075" />
  <row Id="1512" PostId="1054" Score="0" Text="I assume of course that there is an implicit &quot;Unix and/or Linux&quot; in that guideline somewhere, as we'd surely close a question about Windows Powershell. But that leaves a problem when we get a generic question such as http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/50238/calculate-difference-between-two-non-linear-data-sets (which is currently closed). That's something that a non-programmer may want to do, and it can be solved with Unix tools (but so can most things)." CreationDate="2012-10-19T15:51:25.847" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="1513" PostId="1054" Score="0" Text="@derobert I don't think that question is off-topic. In the initial version, it was hard to tell what was required, so “not a real question” might have applied. U&amp;L might not be the best site for that question though; this looks like a [stats.se] kind of problem." CreationDate="2012-10-19T16:06:13.840" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1514" PostId="1055" Score="1" Text="This is duplicated on the main meta: [Why are badges on per-site-metas separate?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/117523/why-are-badges-on-per-site-metas-separate)" CreationDate="2012-10-20T22:16:51.140" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1515" PostId="1046" Score="0" Text="Is it on for U&amp;L?" CreationDate="2012-10-22T22:20:55.950" UserDisplayName="user11976" />
  <row Id="1516" PostId="1046" Score="0" Text="@YannisRizos I thought it was on everywhere, but apparently not. We can get it turned on if we start to have a spam problem" CreationDate="2012-10-22T23:46:01.840" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1517" PostId="1046" Score="0" Text="It's a per site feature, and it's off by default." CreationDate="2012-10-22T23:46:34.987" UserDisplayName="user11976" />
  <row Id="1518" PostId="952" Score="3" Text="This is [getting ridiculous](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/52673/use-m-c-m-v-m-a-for-copy-paste-select-all)..." CreationDate="2012-10-23T17:01:58.840" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="1519" PostId="1048" Score="0" Text="You don't address my concern. How does one determine that a question is 'exclusively or strongly about Linux'?" CreationDate="2012-10-26T05:17:01.363" UserId="22651" />
  <row Id="1520" PostId="1048" Score="1" Text="@ire_and_curses Evaluate who the questions and its answers are likely to be of interest to. If that covers anyone running Linux (and the particular application, hardware, etc. that the question is about), then use [tag:linux]. If that's only users of a particular distribution, use [tag:arch-linux], [tag:fedora], [tag:ubuntu], etc. as applicable. If the that's users of any or most unix systems, don't use a tag for the unix variant." CreationDate="2012-10-26T10:04:23.007" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1521" PostId="1046" Score="0" Text="&quot;users who barely even explain what it is they are trying to do&quot; - sounds very interesting. Is there any site where this is turned on?" CreationDate="2012-10-26T20:14:34.880" UserId="11083" />
  <row Id="1522" PostId="1046" Score="0" Text="@Nils At least SO and Programmers; I'm not sure about the others. If you check MSO you can find [people asking about it](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/search?q=c1kwu) (although a ton of those posts get deleted since they're all duplicates)" CreationDate="2012-10-26T20:58:02.493" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1523" PostId="1046" Score="0" Text="Nevertheless I think it is a bit extreme. Especially the IP-bound-part. Who does not use NAT at bigger companies or whose provider does not use DHCP with a limited number of IPs? Is there nothing softer, like &quot;if banning were active - your question/answer would be banned&quot;?" CreationDate="2012-10-27T19:57:25.287" UserId="11083" />
  <row Id="1525" PostId="1063" Score="0" Text="That's exactly what I was asked. I only asked for approval here because a moderator of AU wanted a mod here to consent to it." CreationDate="2012-10-31T21:31:26.943" UserId="3285" />
  <row Id="1526" PostId="1061" Score="0" Text="Fantastic. Thank you very much!" CreationDate="2012-11-01T01:05:45.470" UserId="26490" />
  <row Id="1527" PostId="1062" Score="1" Text="&quot;because they have nothing to do with Ubuntu specifically&quot; - that's not the right way of seeing things. They're _relevant_ to Ubuntu. They're valuable for Ubuntu users." CreationDate="2012-11-01T08:32:47.533" UserId="5842" />
  <row Id="1528" PostId="1063" Score="0" Text="@EvanCarroll why doesn't said moderator just hit us up on mod chat? I realize we're slow to response but AFAIK we respond." CreationDate="2012-11-02T01:55:10.903" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="1529" PostId="1063" Score="0" Text="maybe he would I just took it like he was asking me if I got permission for and I figure I'd better do that... So I did." CreationDate="2012-11-02T02:18:46.793" UserId="3285" />
  <row Id="1530" PostId="1059" Score="0" Text="This specific instance &quot;fixed itself&quot; since zhenech registered on U&amp;L. (I doubt this is site-specific though, maybe it should be reported on MSO?)" CreationDate="2012-11-02T09:17:57.313" UserId="5842" />
  <row Id="1531" PostId="1059" Score="0" Text="@Mat I encountered the behavior on U&amp;L so I'm posting on its meta. I don't doubt that the issue is cross-site, but [posting on a child meta is absolutely fine](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/89228/which-meta-am-i-supposed-to-post-on/89232#89232)." CreationDate="2012-11-02T20:53:16.317" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1532" PostId="1063" Score="1" Text="@xenoterracide Meta is exactly the right place for a discussion like this. Chat is handy for a one-off query, but policy is made on meta." CreationDate="2012-11-02T20:55:15.770" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1533" PostId="1064" Score="0" Text="yes, but I brought this up on meta SE and they said no, feel free to take it up on there again though IMO" CreationDate="2012-11-08T04:11:55.713" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="1534" PostId="1064" Score="0" Text="@xenoterracide Thanks, I found your original question on meta SO. It looks like the recommendation is to flag as OT, which seems wrong in some cases as it may not be OT. I feel a need to downvote cross-posts, but that may not be appropriate action either." CreationDate="2012-11-08T05:14:28.703" UserId="13796" />
  <row Id="1535" PostId="844" Score="0" Text="It may not stay this way, but all I'm sayin is: http://i.imgur.com/OUOdn.jpg" CreationDate="2012-11-08T19:23:22.987" UserId="6250" />
  <row Id="1536" PostId="1065" Score="0" Text="Previous question it seems was a subject (about regexp) why.." CreationDate="2012-11-12T10:20:45.130" UserId="24510" />
  <row Id="1537" PostId="1066" Score="0" Text="Mb it's mine IMHO, those restrictions don't look like as constructive ones, but rather authoritive." CreationDate="2012-11-12T14:18:14.007" UserId="24510" />
  <row Id="1538" PostId="1065" Score="0" Text="Could I reason further?" CreationDate="2012-11-12T14:18:42.353" UserId="24510" />
  <row Id="1539" PostId="1066" Score="1" Text="Click the &quot;How to Ask&quot; link in the first paragraph." CreationDate="2012-11-12T14:24:27.690" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="1540" PostId="1065" Score="1" Text="I didn't see the question, but if it was about regexp, was it just regexp? or a specific tool, e.g. `sed`? regexp alone is probably more of a stackoverflow. regexp for sed, or vim, or grep, etc, would match here more." CreationDate="2012-11-12T23:46:50.400" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="1541" PostId="1065" Score="0" Text="The problem with the regexp question was that after rereading it multiple times, I still didn't know what it was asking. That is the reason I flagged it for moderator review." CreationDate="2012-11-13T16:28:09.300" UserId="13796" />
  <row Id="1542" PostId="1068" Score="0" Text="Re #1: ah yes I see now that the other interface elements work similarly. Misleading but at least consistent. Re #2 &quot;don't do that&quot;: of course I'd like not to, but as I said, if you've got a bunch of SE tabs open at once it's easy to lose track. Only workaround is to always refresh the page before clicking the favorite button." CreationDate="2012-11-14T19:08:06.150" UserId="4801" />
  <row Id="1543" PostId="1065" Score="0" Text="what is stackoverflow?" CreationDate="2012-11-18T23:11:40.253" UserId="24510" />
  <row Id="1544" PostId="1065" Score="0" Text="who can share knowledge with general questions . Why stack? What overflows, .. pour of water (like pour of questions). Can I admire service or will be punished for any emotion? Again why there (name is not saying anything)." CreationDate="2012-11-18T23:17:15.373" UserId="24510" />
  <row Id="1545" PostId="1069" Score="2" Text="I don't know if this will _help_, exactly, but: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csvWXwYjtpQ" CreationDate="2012-11-19T02:08:31.250" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="1546" PostId="1070" Score="7" Text="I wholeheartedly approve your manner of responding to Community" CreationDate="2012-11-19T02:30:44.537" UserId="12211" />
  <row Id="1547" PostId="1070" Score="1" Text="Heh. Outed. I got that it was a BL quote (hence the BV reference), I just wasn't sure what it was meant to convey... It did brighten my day, FWIW :)" CreationDate="2012-11-19T04:00:06.303" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="1548" PostId="1069" Score="1" Text="Classic - cheers Matt." CreationDate="2012-11-19T04:00:59.327" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="1549" PostId="1075" Score="0" Text="Awesome. Thanks!" CreationDate="2012-11-20T19:47:08.740" UserId="20876" />
  <row Id="1550" PostId="1064" Score="0" Text="Have you got some examples that annoy you? I can think of a number of cases, where x-posts might make sense (if you want an answer with the focus of that site)." CreationDate="2012-11-22T21:44:42.530" UserId="11083" />
  <row Id="1551" PostId="1078" Score="6" Text="This is not very good for askers who are coming from Windows and don't know cron, at, etc. Even beyond that, there is some use for a generic tag about the concept, when the right tool isn't obvious from the question." CreationDate="2012-11-25T18:59:20.267" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1552" PostId="1079" Score="5" Text="+1 especially when a tag wiki exists." CreationDate="2012-11-25T23:50:10.570" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="1553" PostId="1080" Score="0" Text="There is no [tag:installation] ... did you mean [tag:install]?" CreationDate="2012-11-26T15:39:16.387" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="1554" PostId="1080" Score="0" Text="@derobert Indeed, I did. Thanks. Updated." CreationDate="2012-11-26T17:23:09.947" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="1556" PostId="1072" Score="0" Text="You're fostering binary ppl, chat===blablabla / forum===original research" CreationDate="2012-11-30T20:25:40.617" UserId="24510" />
  <row Id="1559" PostId="1002" Score="0" Text="It depends. Sometimes moder is so much sillier. But such is life. It can't wait not to ban. Whereas an article could be nicely written with all emphasis in order to put the question into your head lean. And it passes links off a crossposting, long exposition as unclearness, and surely sort as ambiguous rhetorical.. (you know)" CreationDate="2012-11-30T20:48:09.990" UserId="24510" />
  <row Id="1560" PostId="1081" Score="4" Text="I'm not sure how a user being dead would matter. Is this a situation we're actually facing right now?" CreationDate="2012-11-30T21:48:32.193" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1561" PostId="1081" Score="2" Text="@MichaelMrozek I just deleted all my awesome questions and erk-- *thud*" CreationDate="2012-11-30T21:52:48.303" UserId="12211" />
  <row Id="1562" PostId="1082" Score="2" Text="If, however, the OP was dead--dead as a parrot--then the owner's original intent would no longer matter... (divining the absolute state of their corporeal existence presents a separate and much more interesting problem)." CreationDate="2012-12-01T07:32:25.750" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="1563" PostId="1086" Score="0" Text="This is cheating since 72+89 &gt; 114+34. So most people wish to merge. I know I can read about the eggs should be better cracked from sharp end, this is not interesting for me. I wish to know how to organize honest representative voting." CreationDate="2012-12-01T17:35:50.623" UserId="28089" />
  <row Id="1564" PostId="1086" Score="0" Text="Can we re-vote so that all voters be equal, i.e. not belonging to one of the sections? Also counting that 2 years passed. I just don't want to post each question twice what I am definitely will do." CreationDate="2012-12-01T17:38:48.637" UserId="28089" />
  <row Id="1565" PostId="1086" Score="16" Text="@Dims This *is* representative voting; you want popular voting. We're not going to force Ubuntu to merge if they don't want to just because most of us do, that would be bad. What if tomorrow 10000 [Super User](http://superuser.com/) users decide they want to absorb us -- are we going to allow hostile takeovers of sites now? And at this point, even if everyone wanted to merge (they don't) and Canonical were fine with it (I'm sure they wouldn't be), we still probably wouldn't; the sites are too established, it would be an epic undertaking to try and merge them together" CreationDate="2012-12-01T17:40:30.263" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1566" PostId="1086" Score="0" Text="sorry, but what are you talking about? There are no &quot;US&quot; and no &quot;THEM&quot;, there are only internet people having questions and answers. For example, what about me? I have not much reputation here, but I have more than 10 yrs exp and don't wish to assign myself to any of these groups. So YES, if 10000 people decide to absorb &quot;US&quot; then &quot;WE&quot; will be absorbed and cry for a long time because of need to change bookmarks in our browsers. BTW it can be done that bookmarks need not to change. Then we will cry just because." CreationDate="2012-12-01T17:57:22.370" UserId="28089" />
  <row Id="1567" PostId="1086" Score="10" Text="@Dims If you prefer me to say &quot;Active Unix and Linux Stack Exchange users&quot; and &quot;Active Ask Ubuntu Stack Exchange users&quot; over and over I can; &quot;Us&quot; and &quot;Them&quot; were convenient abbreviations. Feel free to not belong to either, but these sites are [communities](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2012/03/respect-the-community-your-own-and-others/), and we're not going to tell them to go to hell because we've decided to force them to merge. In one if not both cases, it would lead to users leaving because they don't want merged sites, and we decided to respect that years ago" CreationDate="2012-12-01T18:04:40.733" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1568" PostId="1086" Score="0" Text="this was not terminology. Have you investigated both sections user lists? I bet 98% are the same users. Of course 2% of top users differs. So saying there are no &quot;US&quot; and no &quot;THEM&quot; I was expressing my humble opinion that community is unite. You may correct me if you have opposite information." CreationDate="2012-12-01T18:09:24.600" UserId="28089" />
  <row Id="1569" PostId="1085" Score="5" Text="A beautiful irony is ' you got down votes from both meta sites' , Means community disagree with this :)" CreationDate="2012-12-01T19:01:39.577" UserId="13848" />
  <row Id="1570" PostId="1085" Score="12" Text="Regarding your snipe at the AU mods, you cross posted and then duplicate-posted. It's *almost* funny that you might want to suggest something as dramatic as a site merge when you won't follow the basic rules (and then blame others for it)..." CreationDate="2012-12-01T19:08:06.447" UserId="880" />
  <row Id="1571" PostId="1087" Score="0" Text="You consider voting of 300 people 2 years ago is actual now, when there are thousands of people on both sites???" CreationDate="2012-12-01T19:34:51.087" UserId="28089" />
  <row Id="1572" PostId="1085" Score="0" Text="I am repeating a question because they are closing it. I think closing this question is malicious. I wouldn't excite if I was just answered, but they CLOSED my mouth! They are not of good will." CreationDate="2012-12-01T19:37:25.310" UserId="28089" />
  <row Id="1573" PostId="1085" Score="0" Text="^You posted an answer and got enough downvotes, Then how can you say that they closed your mouth ? Closing !=deleting, closed questions can be reopen by community" CreationDate="2012-12-01T19:51:34.340" UserId="13848" />
  <row Id="1574" PostId="1087" Score="7" Text="@Dims **Exactly!** They've had two years and thousands of users working like this and it's been going pretty well for both sites. Why do you want to &quot;fix&quot; something that isn't broken?" CreationDate="2012-12-01T20:13:03.417" UserId="880" />
  <row Id="1575" PostId="1088" Score="0" Text="Then just make a voting and you win. What a problem with this? How can you refer voting with 300 people?" CreationDate="2012-12-01T22:09:56.693" UserId="28089" />
  <row Id="1576" PostId="1087" Score="0" Text="Something IS broken, because when I JUST ASKED about merging, I was closed. The topic is prohibited, hence you can't know does people want to merge or not." CreationDate="2012-12-01T22:11:48.953" UserId="28089" />
  <row Id="1577" PostId="1085" Score="0" Text="I got very few downvotes, probably from engaged persons. There are thousands people in communities. Ask them." CreationDate="2012-12-01T22:14:50.697" UserId="28089" />
  <row Id="1578" PostId="1088" Score="7" Text="Why? The onus is on you to prove the need for a vote. There is only one person saying this needs to be voted on; that hardly constitutes a call for change..." CreationDate="2012-12-01T22:17:36.213" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="1579" PostId="1088" Score="0" Text="How can you see I am one if anyone is punished for the topic? After few posts me too will know that this topic is a taboo. Most probably some others also want to merge but just know this is dangerous to suggest." CreationDate="2012-12-01T22:20:45.960" UserId="28089" />
  <row Id="1580" PostId="1088" Score="0" Text="P.S. Also don't you see voting results? Majority of people 2 yrs ago was for the merging. Just count numbers if you can. This is slightly harder than downvote." CreationDate="2012-12-01T22:21:46.257" UserId="28089" />
  <row Id="1581" PostId="1088" Score="0" Text="No-one, apart from yourself, is &quot;punishing&quot; you. I would suggest you leave this topic sit for a couple of days, gather some perspective and reflect on the fact that you are hearing consistent, polite responses from a range of people. Your continued pursuing of this is currently borderline trolling..." CreationDate="2012-12-01T22:30:33.523" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="1582" PostId="1088" Score="0" Text="I don't think closing the question is polite. I don't dispute that some responses are polite." CreationDate="2012-12-01T22:34:56.643" UserId="28089" />
  <row Id="1583" PostId="1087" Score="6" Text="@Dims You're being deliberately obtuse. The topic isn't &quot;prohibited&quot;, you're talking about it right here -- it was closed on AU because you've got a post right here about it, there's no need to have the same discussion twice on two separate threads" CreationDate="2012-12-01T22:48:15.027" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1584" PostId="1087" Score="0" Text="@Dims Again with the `1+1=Oranges`. Merging AU with Unix.SE is not going to make you follow the rules and guidelines. *That's* the only reason those threads were closed." CreationDate="2012-12-01T23:19:23.253" UserId="880" />
  <row Id="1585" PostId="1085" Score="2" Text="What would be your rationale for this merge?" CreationDate="2012-12-01T23:48:49.443" UserId="15630" />
  <row Id="1586" PostId="1086" Score="0" Text="AFAIK askubuntu is not an official ubuntu website, But practically it is the best ubuntu help fourum, canonical have no control over askubuntu It is entirly governed by community and stack exchange team." CreationDate="2012-12-02T01:14:11.360" UserId="13848" />
  <row Id="1587" PostId="1086" Score="3" Text="@AboobackerMk Canonical doesn't control it, but as I understood it they do have some kind of agreement where they officially endorse it and direct people there. I don't know exactly what it entails" CreationDate="2012-12-02T01:15:30.220" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1588" PostId="1086" Score="2" Text="Thats right, Canonical gave permission to include copyrighted material like ubuntu logo and design, They included akubuntu link in ubuntu installer, official wikis etc, And askubuntu became a hottopic in UDS :)" CreationDate="2012-12-02T01:24:18.507" UserId="13848" />
  <row Id="1589" PostId="1088" Score="3" Text="@Dims the question you posted on Meta Ask Ubuntu was closed because it was crossposted (which is heavily frowned upon) here." CreationDate="2012-12-02T02:13:44.180" UserId="15630" />
  <row Id="1590" PostId="1086" Score="0" Text="Anyway, one should consider the logistics of a site merge. Losing info from AU or U&amp;L is bad, dupes are bad. What can be done now that the sites have a good number of questions? (78K on AU and 18K here)" CreationDate="2012-12-02T03:21:48.773" UserId="20352" />
  <row Id="1591" PostId="1082" Score="0" Text="I don't find it all that interesting, if the op deleted their content then I would respect the wishes of the dead and leave it deleted. The only interesting scenario I could see with is if a family member of the recently departed started deleting their content. Even then this does not seem to be a real issue." CreationDate="2012-12-02T17:07:38.283" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="1592" PostId="1082" Score="1" Text="For &quot;interesting&quot;, read either &quot;impossible&quot; or &quot;impractical.&quot; The comment was intended to highlight the absurdity of the premise..." CreationDate="2012-12-02T17:32:02.010" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="1593" PostId="1090" Score="0" Text="Ask Ubuntu, just so you know, isn't tailored to any one audience except Ubuntu users." CreationDate="2012-12-03T17:19:26.417" UserId="39" />
  <row Id="1594" PostId="1092" Score="0" Text="I'm tempted to just merge those questions; I didn't because the newer one specifically asked about `sed`, but it looks like most answers ignored that anyway" CreationDate="2012-12-05T18:43:49.450" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1595" PostId="1094" Score="6" Text="It got one downvote, are you really worried about it?" CreationDate="2012-12-05T20:46:52.707" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1596" PostId="1094" Score="3" Text="What Michael said. But also: people don't like &quot;Recommend something for me&quot; questions and they often attract downvotes." CreationDate="2012-12-05T21:17:50.227" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="1597" PostId="1094" Score="0" Text="@mattdm Well that's probably not a good attitude for this site to grow.  These kinds of questions, when answered well, can provide useful information for anyone looking for similar types of software." CreationDate="2012-12-05T21:52:48.900" UserId="8831" />
  <row Id="1598" PostId="1093" Score="0" Text="Yap, thanks. Although comments are ephermal, it surely is better than nothing." CreationDate="2012-12-05T23:56:40.593" UserId="28334" />
  <row Id="1599" PostId="1092" Score="0" Text="@MichaelMrozek At ServerFault, it probably would have been closed as duplicate by now. But your practice would be different, I understand." CreationDate="2012-12-05T23:57:20.717" UserId="28334" />
  <row Id="1600" PostId="1086" Score="0" Text="@Dims A large percentage of [gardening.se] and [english.se] users are also overlap. That is no argumetn for merging them!" CreationDate="2012-12-06T08:16:37.477" UserId="1925" />
  <row Id="1601" PostId="1098" Score="11" Text="Grrr-a-humbug. I'm going to [suggest](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/157801/145951) that even if 2 votes are required now, 10k+ users reviews should be trusted a little more on 2.0 sites like ours where reviews take longer to come in." CreationDate="2012-12-06T08:53:19.750" UserId="1925" />
  <row Id="1602" PostId="1095" Score="0" Text="But I'm asking for recommendations; pros and cons of the various pieces of software.  I'm already aware of most of what you just said." CreationDate="2012-12-06T09:03:11.587" UserId="8831" />
  <row Id="1604" PostId="1094" Score="0" Text="Two downvotes now. Well the people on this site are showing themselves to be remarkably unhelpful, I have to say. &quot;Our way or the highway&quot;, is that your motto?" CreationDate="2012-12-06T10:04:59.213" UserId="8831" />
  <row Id="1605" PostId="1097" Score="0" Text="Nonsense.  There is no reason that a so-called &quot;Unix/Linux perspective&quot; should not be a software suite incorporating multiple pieces of functionality.  This seems to be a frankly stupid dogma that I really don't know why people persist with.  Look, it can be much more convenient to combine pieces of functionality that are similar into one software suite.  Why do you have such a problem with it?  Why do you tie Unix into this extra complexity of configuring 5 programs when you only need configure 1?" CreationDate="2012-12-06T10:08:11.270" UserId="8831" />
  <row Id="1606" PostId="1097" Score="1" Text="You're missing my point. Your question asks &quot;_I'm looking for pros and cons of the various software suites._&quot; That is distinctly NOT a very U&amp;L kind of question. A distinctly Unixy answer would be about the specific software packages that handle each function. You're looking for a review site that covers &quot;software suites&quot;. That's just not a good fit here." CreationDate="2012-12-06T10:17:29.753" UserId="1925" />
  <row Id="1607" PostId="1095" Score="2" Text="@Jez Pros and Cons are a review thing, not a QnA thing. This is't a very good platform for recommendations." CreationDate="2012-12-06T10:18:41.780" UserId="1925" />
  <row Id="1608" PostId="1097" Score="0" Text="I don't see why not.  I'm asking a question, it's quite possible to give an answer listing objective features which various different suites have." CreationDate="2012-12-06T10:23:15.927" UserId="8831" />
  <row Id="1609" PostId="1097" Score="0" Text="@Jez Configuring multiple programs really shouldn't be harder than configuring one. It should be *less* complex, as you can test each piece independently. I know in the case of (e.g.,) virtual-user mail setups, its more complicated (or, at least, you have to repeat yourself)—but that's because someone *failed* to follow the Unix philosophy and integrated multiple things (virtual users + MTA, virtual users + IMAP, etc.) into one package. There of course may well be very good reasons for that—the philosophy unworkable if followed to the extreme." CreationDate="2012-12-06T15:56:14.773" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="1610" PostId="1097" Score="1" Text="@Jez: &quot;please list the features&quot; is asking for grunt work, not expertise. This site is really best for _how_ and _why_ questions. You can argue about that if you like, but if you want an answer for why your question got downvotes, there it is." CreationDate="2012-12-06T17:28:28.337" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="1611" PostId="1097" Score="0" Text="@mattdm OK then, *how* common is it for admins to use suites like this on Unix?  *Why* would you want to use them instead of Exim/Courier/Roundcube combinations?  Also, I'm not sure I could agree with the &quot;grunt work&quot; description.  If someone else on this site has direct experience working with a particular software suite, they have insight that others wouldn't have.  It's not simply a case of looking at a feature list." CreationDate="2012-12-07T10:32:51.717" UserId="8831" />
  <row Id="1612" PostId="1097" Score="0" Text="@Jez: well, that's a different question, isn't it?" CreationDate="2012-12-07T14:41:05.040" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="1613" PostId="1094" Score="0" Text="+ search another site, ppl dont want to help others , the more i'm in internet the more they promote their way of thinking, and rule others, as overpowered admins /trolls .. etc" CreationDate="2012-12-07T21:18:39.353" UserId="24510" />
  <row Id="1614" PostId="1094" Score="0" Text="ppl here are *some* lack of ethics and there are also problems with mirroring their own thoughts" CreationDate="2012-12-07T21:20:33.320" UserId="24510" />
  <row Id="1615" PostId="1099" Score="2" Text="generally we're just looking for people using second accounts to upvote themselves. I suspect Michael can give a better answer than me though because he looks at this stuff more." CreationDate="2012-12-07T22:48:24.353" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="1617" PostId="1103" Score="0" Text="Makes sense.  In the question:  http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/44764/what-windows-related-files-are-valueless-to-nix-users  it is a difficult question with several ways of trying to approach the problem.  In one of the answers, it somewhat disregards some of the premise of the question, and comes up with a pretty good theory.  In the end, there may not be a canonical answer to the question, yet.  And, maybe the question needs a little paraphrasing to more correctly get targeted solutions." CreationDate="2012-12-10T00:30:23.373" UserId="19689" />
  <row Id="1618" PostId="1106" Score="0" Text="This is a demonstration post to indicate how this should look when an ad is posted. It also doubles as your twitter ad, but it's up to you if you wish to promote it by voting." CreationDate="2012-12-10T14:57:05.080" UserId="9541" />
  <row Id="1619" PostId="1111" Score="0" Text="Could you expand on what you mean by &quot;the primary tags here on Unix &amp; Linux tend to fall into classes that can be applied to numerous questions&quot;?  On Gaming, there was nothing preventing [[okami](http://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/okami)] from being used on multiple questions except that there was only one question about the game until I asked another.  (And I had to go and re-apply the tag to the other question when I asked.)" CreationDate="2012-12-11T23:52:12.850" UserId="21281" />
  <row Id="1620" PostId="1111" Score="0" Text="One of the things you got wrong is that some of these tags should actually be applied to other questions. However, the second question came more than 6 months after the first, so the tag had already disappeared." CreationDate="2012-12-11T23:58:09.153" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1621" PostId="1111" Score="0" Text="@Jon: Look at the top tags here: platforms, interfaces, etc. When something akin to this was tried on Gaming, [it caused](http://meta.gaming.stackexchange.com/q/4638/) more [problems](http://meta.gaming.stackexchange.com/q/3302/) than it solved, so it was abandoned. For most questions, the only even moderately useful tag is the name of the game itself... Which then leads straight to the problem of obscure games and single-use tags. Think of it this way: if you were designing the site from scratch, you'd just offer two fixed choices: series and title. Tags are used to approximate that." CreationDate="2012-12-11T23:59:07.903" UserId="5973" />
  <row Id="1622" PostId="1116" Score="0" Text="This is just a rough idea, improvements are welcome: ask me for the XCF file." CreationDate="2012-12-16T03:42:34.480" UserId="15630" />
  <row Id="1623" PostId="1111" Score="1" Text="Right, because it's so much better to have [this question](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/14030/searching-for-a-sawfish-config) tagged [tag:configuration] than [tag:sawfish]. There was (until a few minutes ago) a single question *about* sawfish, but many posts *mentioning* sawfish. That's why we have tags in addition to plain text searches." CreationDate="2012-12-28T23:52:02.823" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1624" PostId="1111" Score="0" Text="That question could use a lot more help than just a tag, @Gilles. Unless you seriously expect folks to search for &quot;[sawfish] beautiful&quot;." CreationDate="2012-12-29T00:12:58.310" UserId="5973" />
  <row Id="1625" PostId="1111" Score="0" Text="@Shog9 I expect a search like `[sawfish] theme`. Sure, it's a pretty poor question, but how does removing its useful tag make it better?" CreationDate="2012-12-29T00:18:42.457" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1626" PostId="1111" Score="1" Text="&quot;sawfish theme&quot; works just as well for that. The tag is completely irrelevant; there's only one question with that tag on the site, no one's following it, and given the *extremely* low volume of questions I doubt anyone's subscribed to it in any other fashion (even manually). It adds exactly zero context to the post. Does it *hurt*? No; but it doesn't really help anything either. Adding it, manually removing it, or wasting even a moment's thought on it amounts to re-arranging deck chairs on a large, sinking ship." CreationDate="2012-12-29T00:19:52.193" UserId="5973" />
  <row Id="1627" PostId="1122" Score="2" Text="You're trying to solve a human problem with technology. Not sure if it has ever worked. Some questions need more information, some need less, and for some running the script is entirely impossible ('cannot boot up, cannot log in')." CreationDate="2013-01-01T19:39:16.933" UserId="24379" />
  <row Id="1628" PostId="1122" Score="0" Text="@DeerHunter: For sure, it won't always help. But in a lot of cases, the (potential future) answerer wouldn't have to ask, and the questioner wouldn't have to bubble &quot;I don't now if that's relevant, but as a terminal, I use bash...&quot; and then we have to do the whole dance of &quot;that's the command-line interpreter/shell, not a terminal&quot; etc. before getting down to the actual problem. (Made up example, but not an uncommon scenario.) Anyway, that's the suggestion. PS. I see that someone has voted to close as &quot;not a real question&quot; -- well of course not, how could it be? I don't understand. DS." CreationDate="2013-01-01T21:01:37.093" UserId="13136" />
  <row Id="1629" PostId="1122" Score="0" Text="your script is not portable. It uses `bash` and invokes a bunch of other utilities that may even have different semantics on various Uni*es. It's better to be safe than sorry (there could be a `rm -rf /` line somewhere...)&#xA;&#xA;Besides, your idea imposes a burden of running the script on all the users, but the benefit is limited to a not-that-large proportion of posters; there is a simpler existing solution." CreationDate="2013-01-01T21:15:22.267" UserId="24379" />
  <row Id="1630" PostId="1122" Score="0" Text="@DeerHunter: Not so - I told you I provided my script as an illustration to convey the suggestion, that the most experienced users should write the &quot;real&quot; script - also, I said it should be a feature (that is, optional) that could be used if desired." CreationDate="2013-01-01T21:21:46.920" UserId="13136" />
  <row Id="1631" PostId="1122" Score="0" Text="Okay, you may have a point here... Happy New Year!" CreationDate="2013-01-01T21:24:47.650" UserId="24379" />
  <row Id="1632" PostId="798" Score="0" Text="Since then we're reacquired a [tag:mail] tag. I've gone and retagged a couple of questions to [tag:mail-command], the rest should be tagged [tag:email]. Please make [tag:mail] a synonym of [tag:email] — there aren't many questions about `mail`, and if people don't read the tag wiki we'll retag as often." CreationDate="2013-01-01T22:51:42.553" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1633" PostId="798" Score="0" Text="@Gilles Done (and merged)" CreationDate="2013-01-01T22:58:01.650" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1634" PostId="1123" Score="1" Text="Do we really need two separate tags for this? The [/boot] tag wiki covers both (include initrd/initramfs/init). They're both pretty broad/ambiguous and need (IMO) at least one other tag to be useful." CreationDate="2013-01-02T18:05:56.260" UserId="5842" />
  <row Id="1635" PostId="1123" Score="0" Text="As you can [see](http://unix.stackexchange.com/posts/8187/revisions) I'm familiar with the content of the tag wiki. With hindsight, I think it was a mistake to lump it all in a single tag, and current usage (both mine and others') is to use [tag:boot] for what happens before the kernel is loaded and [tag:startup] for what happens after the root device is mounted, with some fluctuatation for what happens in between. I agree that most questions will need another tag, such as “[tag:startup] [tag:solaris] how do I run a service at boot time?”, but that's the case of most questions in general." CreationDate="2013-01-02T18:25:27.403" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1636" PostId="1123" Score="0" Text="Your last example is a good illustration of the problem: &quot;**startup** How do I run a service at **boot** time?&quot; I'm not sure trying to retag for the &quot;U&amp;L meaning of these words&quot; is worth the effort." CreationDate="2013-01-02T18:27:27.203" UserId="5842" />
  <row Id="1637" PostId="1123" Score="0" Text="@Mat But I'm not proposing to retag: according to my admittedly non-scientific eyeball estimate, most posts already follow this distinction in their tagging. I'm proposing to make this distinction official in the tag wiki, and retag the few outliers." CreationDate="2013-01-02T18:38:59.007" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1638" PostId="1047" Score="0" Text="Have you got a link to that?" CreationDate="2013-01-03T23:29:22.847" UserId="22651" />
  <row Id="1639" PostId="1132" Score="0" Text="Maybe that's what happens if the offerer fails to award it?" CreationDate="2013-01-04T12:55:21.877" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="1640" PostId="1132" Score="0" Text="@derobert Yep, that seems to be right. I once put a bounty on a question, without awarding it, because the upvoted answer didn't answer the question, but it was awarded anyhow, but with only half of the value." CreationDate="2013-01-04T13:10:29.333" UserId="14084" />
  <row Id="1641" PostId="1133" Score="4" Text="It also happens if the user who offered the bounty is later deleted, but in [this case](http://unix.stackexchange.com/posts/6035/revisions) it's the auto-award" CreationDate="2013-01-04T15:20:31.040" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1642" PostId="1047" Score="0" Text="@ire_and_curses I added the link to my answer." CreationDate="2013-01-04T20:36:17.383" UserId="11083" />
  <row Id="1643" PostId="1047" Score="0" Text="Wow, that looks really useful. +1." CreationDate="2013-01-04T21:01:27.813" UserId="22651" />
  <row Id="1644" PostId="1047" Score="0" Text="The canonical page for `which` questions would be linked from the [tag:which] tag wiki, the problem isn't finding a place to link it. I was asking whether we already had a question that we considered a canonical `which` question." CreationDate="2013-01-05T17:21:03.090" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1645" PostId="1047" Score="0" Text="@Gilles I thought you take a look at every question here. ;-) But IMHO your link in your question for the &quot;recent example&quot; looks good enough for me." CreationDate="2013-01-05T22:13:54.623" UserId="11083" />
  <row Id="1646" PostId="1134" Score="3" Text="Related: http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/952/pretty-kbd-tags-for-ul - I guess fixing the current one a bit would be better than nothing." CreationDate="2013-01-07T12:32:59.083" UserId="5842" />
  <row Id="1647" PostId="1134" Score="3" Text="For a niche community of technical people it is disappointing that this and the [request to change the poor font choice for zeros](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/716/question-title-font-renders-0-number-zero-much-like-o-lower-case-letter) are ignored..." CreationDate="2013-01-07T20:24:57.020" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="1648" PostId="1134" Score="0" Text="@jasonwryan At least here we aren't getting [gray text on a gray background](http://meta.scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/bug+design+meta)." CreationDate="2013-01-08T09:40:56.550" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1649" PostId="1134" Score="0" Text="@Gilles reading science fiction makes you go blind, obviously..." CreationDate="2013-01-08T18:55:26.833" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="1650" PostId="1137" Score="0" Text="why didn't you put all the question and their comments in a single page so that in future it is easy to refer them if they become illogical??" CreationDate="2013-01-09T17:58:09.693" UserId="13461" />
  <row Id="1651" PostId="1137" Score="0" Text="@harish.venkat I don't know what you mean; the question and its comments are on a single page" CreationDate="2013-01-09T17:58:56.707" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1652" PostId="1137" Score="0" Text="@Micheal: If i remove my above comment the whole argument becomes illogical.so why don't we have a feature that if the user who posted the question can delete all the comments..once the question is closed atleast??" CreationDate="2013-01-09T18:00:23.967" UserId="13461" />
  <row Id="1653" PostId="1137" Score="0" Text="@harish.venkat Because a majority of the time comments are used to point out mistake the OP made, so we probably shouldn't let the OP delete them" CreationDate="2013-01-09T18:10:28.623" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1654" PostId="1137" Score="0" Text="@Micheal: I got it....it is too complex :-)" CreationDate="2013-01-09T18:12:51.563" UserId="13461" />
  <row Id="1655" PostId="1140" Score="0" Text="Absolutely.  Just to be clear, this wouldn't be &quot;homework&quot; questions or any sort of braindump stuff.  I'd just like a place to ask linux-based questions if the author doesn't describe concepts in a way that makes sense to me.  Thanks." CreationDate="2013-01-11T18:20:24.673" UserId="1822" />
  <row Id="1656" PostId="1143" Score="0" Text="I'd like a `&lt;marque&gt;`, `&lt;blink&gt;` and 10 geocities style animated gifs with that." CreationDate="2013-01-15T13:23:44.717" UserId="15626" />
  <row Id="1657" PostId="1143" Score="0" Text="I DEMAND `&lt;bgsound&gt;`! IN ALL CAPS, NO LESS!" CreationDate="2013-01-15T15:54:57.620" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="1658" PostId="1143" Score="0" Text="I agree with everything, but if I'd posted it I would've dedicated more time to making fun of Apple" CreationDate="2013-01-15T16:12:26.270" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1659" PostId="1146" Score="1" Text="I also thought about `pastebinit`, but since I geared the topic towards newer users, I felt mentioning it be meaningless.  However, I like your idea of a more general solution that adds these topics.  I will be happy to help you write it.  It's also possible to create short standard gists for this purpose as well.&#xA;&#xA;The goal is to keep the more experienced people who desire to help from pulling their hair out when trying to read some of these posts, hopefully providing for a better experience overall." CreationDate="2013-01-16T17:02:00.663" UserId="30360" />
  <row Id="1660" PostId="1143" Score="0" Text="@Emmett I had used the [meta-tag:bug] tag for a reason. The user experience is not appropriate for the indented audience. If the code conforms to the design spec but the design spec does not conform to the use case, it's a bug." CreationDate="2013-01-17T22:55:18.523" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1661" PostId="1143" Score="3" Text="@Gilles Bugs are typically issues which are not *obviously* by-design. Your question will probably get more consideration as a feature request any ways, since as a bug, it can just be [status-bydesign]'d and then forgotten." CreationDate="2013-01-17T23:00:00.717" UserId="7" />
  <row Id="1663" PostId="1147" Score="4" Text="Agreed that there may be more important things to work on. Oh, infact, [there](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/716/question-title-font-renders-0-number-zero-much-like-o-lower-case-letter) [are](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/952/pretty-kbd-tags-for-ul)!  :)" CreationDate="2013-01-18T06:55:17.540" UserId="5842" />
  <row Id="1664" PostId="1135" Score="0" Text="Wow the answers on that linked question make me so sad ... :'(" CreationDate="2013-01-18T20:31:08.717" UserId="9537" />
  <row Id="1665" PostId="1147" Score="1" Text="“The animations are intended to draw attention to specific areas of the UI.” Then they are failing spectacularly, since the sliding animations make it hard to notice the accept animation, which is the only one that demonstrates an element of the UI." CreationDate="2013-01-18T21:58:02.033" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1670" PostId="1150" Score="3" Text="Surely contradictions in the user interface are worthy of correction?" CreationDate="2013-01-19T14:23:10.300" UserId="10762" />
  <row Id="1673" PostId="1150" Score="1" Text="Yeah, probably." CreationDate="2013-01-19T14:30:37.210" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="1674" PostId="1149" Score="0" Text="Asked [here](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/114101/glitch-when-trying-to-vote-on-deleted-answers), closed as dup of this [other Q](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/44137/vote-arrow-not-reset-when-attempting-to-undo-vote-on-locked-post) which is marked [status-completed]... ([Related](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/97057/hide-voting-arrows-on-deleted-posts))" CreationDate="2013-01-19T14:30:52.983" UserId="5842" />
  <row Id="1676" PostId="1152" Score="0" Text="D'oh. My searching didn't turn up Caleb's post. Thanks Michael." CreationDate="2013-01-20T01:09:38.660" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="1677" PostId="1151" Score="3" Text="`http://unix.stackexchange.com/posts/${post_id}/edit`" CreationDate="2013-01-21T14:32:03.500" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1678" PostId="1151" Score="0" Text="Heh. A hack. Of course; thanks Gilles." CreationDate="2013-01-21T17:57:58.843" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="1679" PostId="1153" Score="10" Text="Dennis Ritchie has a lot of historical Unix stuff on his website that he saved over the years from when he was working on it." CreationDate="2013-01-22T05:39:12.990" UserId="23779" />
  <row Id="1681" PostId="1155" Score="4" Text="Your question is open, and deservedly so." CreationDate="2013-01-27T19:52:07.387" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="1682" PostId="1155" Score="0" Text="Ah! very nice! Re-reading it all, I think I should have lead with &quot;I need help with zic&quot;. That way I think I could have avoided the whole closing question business. I have a feeling of inadecuacy. Nearly 100% of the Unix &amp; Linux questions are way over my head and this shows in the phrasing of the question which in turn hurts my chances of getting an answer. At least that's a current suspicion of mine. Could you help me out a bit?" CreationDate="2013-01-28T00:40:00.197" UserId="31194" />
  <row Id="1683" PostId="1155" Score="1" Text="Sorry, I don't know anything at all about Macs or ipods..." CreationDate="2013-01-28T01:15:46.760" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="1684" PostId="1157" Score="0" Text="Thanks for fixing that. Also, I meant the meta tag `tag`, not the normal tag (which, as you stated, diddn't exist.) Sorry for the ambiguity there." CreationDate="2013-01-31T06:29:58.393" UserId="26420" />
  <row Id="1685" PostId="1161" Score="0" Text="How do we stop a rogue delinker? I keep rejecting the edits and they just keep on coming..." CreationDate="2013-02-01T20:06:49.523" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="1686" PostId="1161" Score="0" Text="After a certain number of rejects, they'll get a timeout on making edits....." CreationDate="2013-02-01T20:12:12.050" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="1687" PostId="1161" Score="2" Text="They're not actually getting rejected; jasonwryan votes to reject them and two other people vote to accept them" CreationDate="2013-02-01T20:15:45.250" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1688" PostId="1162" Score="4" Text="A lot of the edits in question are in between these cases, for example changing the link to a specific bug id to the word [report](http://unix.stackexchange.com/revisions/30853/2). In the Arch Linux wiki example, one is still given enough information to find the page even if there were no link. With the other type of edit, though, the link isn't just extra information, it _is_ the information, now hidden." CreationDate="2013-02-01T20:25:28.873" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="1689" PostId="1162" Score="0" Text="The problem is where information is unecessarily obscured; so if in your first example the link actually points to https://wiki.archlinux.org/pulseaudio - that *removes* information from the page..." CreationDate="2013-02-01T20:25:51.037" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="1690" PostId="1162" Score="0" Text="@jasonwryan It's usually clear from the context. If we're talking about installing Pulseaudio and I see a link to &quot;instructions on the Arch Linux wiki&quot;, it's probably to the Pulseaudio article. And it's not like the information is lost, he's not actually removing the URL from the post, he's just changing what text is displayed in the link. There are a couple cases that are bad, but most of them I would probably approve" CreationDate="2013-02-01T20:32:03.120" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1691" PostId="1162" Score="1" Text="I'm happy to have you look at my rejections today; my sense is that for almost all of them, there is less information on the page in the proposed edit--sometimes to the point that the post is difficult to understand, [like this](http://unix.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/12403#./12403?&amp;_suid=1359751318895057896046503447)" CreationDate="2013-02-01T20:42:32.590" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="1692" PostId="1162" Score="0" Text="I agree with jasonwryan; I've been rejecting a lot of Martín's edits." CreationDate="2013-02-01T23:36:45.873" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1695" PostId="1160" Score="3" Text="Hyperlinking is an art not be taken lightly." CreationDate="2013-02-04T19:16:32.520" UserDisplayName="user13742" />
  <row Id="1696" PostId="1165" Score="11" Text="Because your nick and avatar clearly indicate otherwise... :)" CreationDate="2013-02-05T02:06:47.570" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="1697" PostId="1165" Score="0" Text="@jasonwryan: lol #avatar. Why does the nick indicate otherwise, though?" CreationDate="2013-02-05T02:11:20.330" UserId="5462" />
  <row Id="1698" PostId="1165" Score="3" Text="It's clearly a machine name; either you are the Terminator, or the Singularity has arrived..." CreationDate="2013-02-05T05:15:06.860" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="1699" PostId="1142" Score="0" Text="Would it be appropriate to add to the top of the question a note _If you arrived here by searching for 2038, [click here to search for &quot;2038&quot;](http://unix.stackexchange.com/search?q=%222038%22)_ ?" CreationDate="2013-02-06T16:33:51.317" UserId="6290" />
  <row Id="1700" PostId="1169" Score="0" Text="i was not thinking about a specific issue, but was interested in the general position on this. but, on the other hand, talking about an example, asking something about theming/appearance in Xfce would fit better here or in askubuntu, do you think? xfce goes beyond ubuntu, isn't it? ubuntu specific issues are most of the time desktop-environment-specific, but DE goes beyond just ubuntu. i was under the impression that xfce issues are strictly ubuntu until started using mint and now i see differently" CreationDate="2013-02-08T18:37:20.003" UserDisplayName="user32012" />
  <row Id="1701" PostId="1169" Score="1" Text="@cipricus XFCE questions are OK here, I'm not sure about Ask Ubuntu. Probably if you're running Xubuntu. Probably not if you're running Mint, or Debian, or Fedora, etc. (I'm not really active on Ask Ubuntu at all.)" CreationDate="2013-02-08T18:45:21.477" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="1702" PostId="1169" Score="1" Text="@cipricus Also, if you look at the related questions, you'll see some of the history—there was, early on, a question of merging the two sites. Merging was much more popular here than on Ask Ubuntu (if I remember correctly, Unix.SE was in favor, Ask Ubuntu was not). It appears we've carved out the smallest possible exception in our FAQ for Ask Ubuntu. We're happy to have questions from Ubuntu users." CreationDate="2013-02-08T18:49:31.617" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="1703" PostId="1169" Score="0" Text="i've just posted 2 :) http://unix.stackexchange.com/q/64198/32012, http://unix.stackexchange.com/q/64203/32012" CreationDate="2013-02-08T18:54:30.850" UserDisplayName="user32012" />
  <row Id="1705" PostId="1172" Score="0" Text="sometimes people ask about X because trivia... or because they know the `sed` way but want the `awk` because they're learning... sometimes it's because they think they know what they want and aren't wording it in a way to ask for multiple answers. Sometimes they have constraints which prohibit too many options. Sometimes Perl and Python are overkill." CreationDate="2013-02-09T13:56:35.433" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="1706" PostId="1173" Score="1" Text="Would you like to elaborate on the wrath? As I see it wrath makes sense for answers being plainly wrong (i.e. those who fail to solve the problem or fail to properly communicate a solution) but not really for those that fail by using less appropriate tools or such." CreationDate="2013-02-10T13:12:02.127" UserId="8677" />
  <row Id="1707" PostId="1173" Score="2" Text="@N.N. In the case you mention, the perfect `sed` option was already given, so your solution didn't help a lot. Also, your solution is not any cleaner than the `sed` solutions. If your solution uses an other tools, but is much more efficient in terms of type characters, than it WILL gather upvotes." CreationDate="2013-02-10T16:55:17.857" UserId="14084" />
  <row Id="1708" PostId="1173" Score="1" Text="@Bernhard I did not expect upvotes I was just surprised at the number of downvotes." CreationDate="2013-02-10T18:10:16.587" UserId="8677" />
  <row Id="1709" PostId="1168" Score="1" Text="`route` is standard command command, altho the description and (hence?) the questions don't reflect this...so I guess I agree that they should be merged." CreationDate="2013-02-11T10:42:10.937" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="1710" PostId="1168" Score="2" Text="@goldilocks The alternative would be to clarify [tag:route] is only for the `route` command, and then retag. Though `route` is used mainly for routing, so..." CreationDate="2013-02-11T13:07:47.963" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="1711" PostId="1166" Score="1" Text="I have proposed an edit to [tag:router]. Its sitting in the approval queue currently." CreationDate="2013-02-11T13:36:25.003" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="1712" PostId="1160" Score="0" Text="Related on Meta.AU: [Should posts be edited to have readable links?](http://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/5873/should-posts-be-edited-to-have-readable-links), [A call to uphold accessibility by not shortening links to “here” when editing a post](http://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/5971/a-call-to-uphold-accessibility-by-not-shortening-links-to-here-when-editing-a)" CreationDate="2013-02-11T17:32:13.863" UserId="11938" />
  <row Id="1713" PostId="1177" Score="1" Text="This is an ad from TeX SX, which may also be useful here. WriteLaTeX is basically Etherpad + LaTeX; free online collaborative editor with an automatic preview of the compiled document. Happy to let the community vote decide - I'm one of the developers of writeLaTeX, so any feedback appreciated, thanks." CreationDate="2013-02-11T18:19:07.510" UserId="32187" />
  <row Id="1714" PostId="1175" Score="1" Text="I wholeheartedly agree with you. Ever since StackExchange responses started popping up all over the place when you're searching for things I always scratched my head and rolled my eyes when I saw, &quot;...but you should do it in this!&quot; responses. It's like you ask someone how to ask where the bathroom is in Spanish but they say, &quot;Don't say it in Spanish... say it in Mandarin!&quot;" CreationDate="2013-02-12T10:17:36.300" UserId="31025" />
  <row Id="1715" PostId="1175" Score="2" Text="I do not think getting answers with alternative tools is a problem as answers are sorted (by acceptance and votes) and usually the canonical answers ends up at the top. Thus, it is usually easy to find the canonical answer so answers with alternative tools does *not* work against goal of producing canonical answers to canonical questions." CreationDate="2013-02-12T15:52:08.553" UserId="8677" />
  <row Id="1717" PostId="1175" Score="1" Text="I'm not saying you should *not be allowed* to post alternatives.  Just that I won't support you because *I do perceive them as off topic*, and hence it is understandable to me that some people would want to actively discourage it." CreationDate="2013-02-12T16:26:56.857" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="1718" PostId="1153" Score="12" Text="This was an inspired choice; it is particularly apposite for our homepage, thanks for putting it up..." CreationDate="2013-02-13T00:38:36.087" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="1719" PostId="1178" Score="5" Text="Yes, we should..." CreationDate="2013-02-13T00:43:32.420" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="1720" PostId="1172" Score="3" Text="@xenoterracide, in such a case I'd hope OP states the reason for the restriction (and many do)." CreationDate="2013-02-13T04:07:04.060" UserId="28496" />
  <row Id="1722" PostId="1146" Score="0" Text="Just apply Barriga's (for a student of mine) dictum: &quot;Put out anything whipped up, if it is important enough, _somebody_ will be pissed off enough to fix it&quot;. Kind of how open source works. This is a collaborative site, after all..." CreationDate="2013-02-13T04:40:42.090" UserId="28496" />
  <row Id="1723" PostId="1179" Score="0" Text="sometimes the right forum is a tricky question. discouraging cross-posting has practical reason like avoiding too many bad answers. but what about many good answers? `don't understand their problem well enough. Or the forum's theme wasn't clearly defined`: imagine a strictly Xfce (or gnome)-problem. if i am in ubuntu i would be very tempted to ask askubuntu. in fact what is an ubuntu question? in most cases, it is one about unity, kde, xfce, lxde or gnome which all are DE that could be used outside ubuntu." CreationDate="2013-02-13T08:03:55.767" UserDisplayName="user32012" />
  <row Id="1725" PostId="1167" Score="0" Text="http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/a/1086/32012, the communities have decided, and might as well change their minds. ubuntu community is practically a part of the larger community which is supposed to be acting here" CreationDate="2013-02-13T08:16:50.760" UserDisplayName="user32012" />
  <row Id="1726" PostId="1167" Score="0" Text="i see that cross-posting is not completely rejected, just discouraged, mostly for practical reasons. one should not start with cross-posting, just post once and wait, cross-posting being of last resort in a way." CreationDate="2013-02-13T08:20:24.380" UserDisplayName="user32012" />
  <row Id="1727" PostId="1179" Score="1" Text="another good argument: communities have decided, they could change they minds, but have not. http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/a/1086/32012" CreationDate="2013-02-13T08:22:06.643" UserDisplayName="user32012" />
  <row Id="1729" PostId="1085" Score="1" Text="i guess this question's form/phrasing (`Where to vote on merging Ubuntu and Linux?`) is the reason for it being down-voted: it assumes that the practical merging is already at stake, which isn't. i see it as a largely accepted question if rephrased: `why not merge (vote to merge)?`. if this question was really bad why would it result in up-voted/interesting answers? having good answers is the best a question can get, even if these answers are not what the author expected. i would edit it (cannot) and not only the title but also remove the updates" CreationDate="2013-02-13T08:36:16.960" UserDisplayName="user32012" />
  <row Id="1730" PostId="1178" Score="0" Text="That sounds like a good idea." CreationDate="2013-02-13T10:36:27.683" UserId="4949" />
  <row Id="1732" PostId="887" Score="0" Text="What rock was I living under when this offer came out? :(" CreationDate="2013-02-13T12:47:16.747" UserId="1925" />
  <row Id="1733" PostId="1180" Score="0" Text="It's usually C programming questions, like [this one](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/64426/inotify-not-releasing-watch-handles-on-close-termination?noredirect=1). Since the beginning of the site, we decided to leave programming to SO and concentrate on users and administrators. Understanding the output of `strace`: on-topic. Compiling an existing C program: on-topic. Writing C code: off-topic." CreationDate="2013-02-13T17:39:16.713" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1734" PostId="1180" Score="0" Text="I guess by my theory that is an edge case, lol?  It's probably better off on SO, anyway." CreationDate="2013-02-13T17:47:22.307" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="1735" PostId="1178" Score="0" Text="Can there be a migration path from all stackexchange sites?  Often SO questions will need to be migrated to U&amp;L or SU or somewhere else.  Seems like a nice universal change, positive for all SE sites." CreationDate="2013-02-14T14:55:02.267" UserId="26035" />
  <row Id="1736" PostId="1167" Score="0" Text="possible duplicate of [How should questions cross-posted on Ask Ubuntu be handled?](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/990/how-should-questions-cross-posted-on-ask-ubuntu-be-handled)" CreationDate="2013-02-14T15:35:43.970" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1737" PostId="1167" Score="0" Text="No, it isn't. There's even a paragraph about it in our [faq](http://unix.stackexchange.com/faq)." CreationDate="2013-02-14T15:36:47.607" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1738" PostId="1178" Score="0" Text="@ChristopherIckes That's not going to happen. If you see an off-topic question that you know would be welcome on another site, flag a moderator to request the migration." CreationDate="2013-02-14T15:37:55.797" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1739" PostId="1178" Score="1" Text="@ChristopherIckes The odds of a question from, say, Cooking needing to be migrated to SO are fairly small. :)" CreationDate="2013-02-15T16:28:07.020" UserId="928" />
  <row Id="1740" PostId="1178" Score="0" Text="@ChristopherIckes ...and each closing user would need to understand the scope of the 100+ list of sites to get anything done. That's not a reasonable expectation for *most* users." CreationDate="2013-02-15T16:37:14.167" UserId="337" />
  <row Id="1741" PostId="1153" Score="1" Text="&quot;The server at bell labs is taking too long to respond&quot; :(" CreationDate="2013-02-16T13:34:22.050" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="1742" PostId="679" Score="0" Text="Does this still happen?" CreationDate="2013-02-16T14:14:28.333" UserId="8677" />
  <row Id="1743" PostId="679" Score="0" Text="I hadn't had such errors in a while." CreationDate="2013-02-17T10:28:58.120" UserId="4485" />
  <row Id="1744" PostId="1153" Score="1" Text="fantastic. thank you." CreationDate="2013-02-21T15:31:59.200" UserId="10762" />
  <row Id="1745" PostId="1105" Score="0" Text="Which license is required for the images?" CreationDate="2013-02-21T21:29:48.963" UserId="9454" />
  <row Id="1746" PostId="1105" Score="0" Text="@Martin Pardon? Required in what fashion?" CreationDate="2013-02-21T21:42:10.920" UserId="9541" />
  <row Id="1747" PostId="1105" Score="0" Text="Would an image from http://www.openbsd.org/art2.html be o.k.? &quot;Most images provided here are copyright by OpenBSD, by Theo de Raadt, or by other members or developers of the OpenBSD group. However, it is our intent that anyone be able to use these images to represent OpenBSD in a positive light&quot;" CreationDate="2013-02-21T21:47:15.377" UserId="9454" />
  <row Id="1749" PostId="1105" Score="0" Text="If you use it in a positive light, that seems usable, then." CreationDate="2013-02-21T22:11:31.573" UserId="9541" />
  <row Id="1750" PostId="1105" Score="2" Text="Nope. See [Should images be accompanied with licensing info?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/101802) and [Please negotiate and make obvious user-favorable license terms for uploaded images](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/137714): Uploading them to the SE network makes them available under CC-BY-SA. I can't do that as I'm not the copyright holder." CreationDate="2013-02-21T22:44:05.793" UserId="9454" />
  <row Id="1751" PostId="1105" Score="0" Text="@Martin You don't need to upload the image to us in order to use it here." CreationDate="2013-02-21T22:52:37.630" UserId="9541" />
  <row Id="1752" PostId="1105" Score="1" Text="See above: &quot;Must be hosted through our standard image uploader (imgur)&quot;" CreationDate="2013-02-21T22:53:42.773" UserId="9454" />
  <row Id="1753" PostId="1105" Score="0" Text="Oh, hey, forgot about that. Alright. Let me double check on all that for you, then." CreationDate="2013-02-21T22:54:15.103" UserId="9541" />
  <row Id="1754" PostId="1105" Score="0" Text="@MartinSchröder, since the source site clearly says to &quot;enjoy them and let the world see them,&quot; my assumption would be that you can submit them.  If you want a more definitive statement, you'd have to ask them." CreationDate="2013-02-21T23:24:03.813" UserId="21396" />
  <row Id="1755" PostId="1105" Score="0" Text="@Jaydles: I asked Theo: No." CreationDate="2013-02-22T00:06:46.803" UserId="9454" />
  <row Id="1756" PostId="1177" Score="2" Text="+1: Showed this to one of my coworkers. He loved it." CreationDate="2013-02-22T00:37:20.727" UserId="15630" />
  <row Id="1757" PostId="602" Score="0" Text="[error] has grown a bit (26 Qs now). I'd rather like to see it gone - way too generic to be useful. Not sure how to &quot;bump&quot; this with no bounty system here..." CreationDate="2013-02-24T08:10:54.417" UserId="5842" />
  <row Id="1758" PostId="1188" Score="0" Text="What about the batch component? Is that off-topic?" CreationDate="2013-03-01T22:06:43.717" UserId="13479" />
  <row Id="1759" PostId="1188" Score="1" Text="Windows powershell or .bat are off topic, but bash in Cygwin is probably fine." CreationDate="2013-03-02T00:48:45.227" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="1760" PostId="1188" Score="1" Text="Where do I go if my problem turns out to be batch-based?" CreationDate="2013-03-02T01:38:58.250" UserId="13479" />
  <row Id="1761" PostId="1188" Score="4" Text="Windows-related questions are on-topic at Super User." CreationDate="2013-03-02T02:34:24.840" UserId="15630" />
  <row Id="1762" PostId="1165" Score="0" Text="Perhaps you do work too fast? In the beginning I had this problem when I quickly opened many questions in many tabs/windows and did them almost concurrently." CreationDate="2013-03-02T21:48:00.777" UserId="11083" />
  <row Id="1763" PostId="1137" Score="0" Text="Do you have (as moderator) a &quot;history-button&quot; like I mentioned below for Mantis? If so - what is the reason not to give that button to all users - say above 200 reputation?" CreationDate="2013-03-02T21:56:08.197" UserId="11083" />
  <row Id="1764" PostId="1167" Score="0" Text="&quot;Dupplication of code is root of all evil&quot; ;-)." CreationDate="2013-03-04T12:22:16.837" UserId="4175" />
  <row Id="1765" PostId="1165" Score="0" Text="Turns out I am being asked because some script does not get &quot;loaded&quot; according to the SE-team." CreationDate="2013-03-04T12:47:15.440" UserId="5462" />
  <row Id="1766" PostId="1137" Score="0" Text="@Nils We can see when a comment was deleted and who deleted it, but it's not particularly user-friendly, and the only reason it really exists is to figure out why a comment thread doesn't make sense anymore so we can clean it up" CreationDate="2013-03-05T00:57:33.213" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1767" PostId="1191" Score="4" Text="I have no idea what a &quot;normal question&quot; is, or what &quot;migrating a bounty&quot; is" CreationDate="2013-03-05T04:35:46.270" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1768" PostId="1196" Score="0" Text="Agreed. I'd say remove the `user@host` part of the prompt though, since it's identical across the board and (as far as I can tell) just noise. What do you think?" CreationDate="2013-03-07T15:28:55.507" UserId="3645" />
  <row Id="1769" PostId="1195" Score="1" Text="I'd leave the whitespace, since it would actually change the semantics in this case (as in, there's another newline at EOF)." CreationDate="2013-03-07T15:30:39.547" UserId="3645" />
  <row Id="1770" PostId="1196" Score="0" Text="@l0b0 : Yeah that would be good." CreationDate="2013-03-07T15:37:27.067" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="1771" PostId="1196" Score="0" Text="OK, cleaned it up." CreationDate="2013-03-07T15:41:23.650" UserId="3645" />
  <row Id="1772" PostId="1195" Score="1" Text="Sorry, to clarify, command whitespace fine, but maybe something between each command so it's not a big scary preformatted block." CreationDate="2013-03-07T18:42:21.710" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="1773" PostId="1199" Score="0" Text="Bleh, it took me like 10 tries to get this question asked. The first few, it had a little red box saying &quot;There was an error submitting the question&quot;, and eventually it let me get through to solve the Captcha." CreationDate="2013-03-13T14:44:59.317" UserId="26420" />
  <row Id="1774" PostId="1199" Score="0" Text="Odd. There isn't anything in the privileges list about answering your own question, and the only thing that's close is &quot;too quickly&quot; in the new user restrictions (&lt;10 rep), which clearly doesn't apply." CreationDate="2013-03-13T15:46:43.917" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="1775" PostId="1199" Score="2" Text="It's the opposite; they added a feature that lets you answer your own question while you're still writing the question. There is a time limit for brand new users/questions (it's buried under [edit community wiki](http://unix.stackexchange.com/privileges/edit-community-wiki) for some reason), but you have enough rep to not be hitting it, plus the question is plenty old enough. The answer textarea is supposed to be missing until you click the button, but I don't know why the button would be disabled. Looking into it" CreationDate="2013-03-13T15:53:15.993" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1776" PostId="1199" Score="0" Text="Browser specs, if anyone cares: Chromium 27, Puppy Linux. [:)](http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=84349)" CreationDate="2013-03-13T16:03:37.167" UserId="26420" />
  <row Id="1777" PostId="1199" Score="0" Text="Hover your cursor over the button. Do you get a bit of text popping up?" CreationDate="2013-03-13T16:14:11.003" UserId="5973" />
  <row Id="1778" PostId="1199" Score="0" Text="@Shog9 Nope, no notices, tooltips, or anything." CreationDate="2013-03-13T17:31:46.213" UserId="26420" />
  <row Id="1779" PostId="1199" Score="0" Text="Ha, ha - I'd made an updated dotpet, so DocSalvage [edited his post](http://unix.stackexchange.com/revisions/67589/3) to have the updated version that I'd submitted (and therefore knew about.) I'm not really irritated, so much as I just think it's kind of funny. :P" CreationDate="2013-03-13T17:43:24.390" UserId="26420" />
  <row Id="1780" PostId="952" Score="0" Text="No promises, but our designer is looking into it." CreationDate="2013-03-14T15:05:09.450" UserId="21396" />
  <row Id="1781" PostId="952" Score="0" Text="@Jaydles: Thanks for the feedback! Expecting an answer in the usual 6-8 week timeframe :-)" CreationDate="2013-03-14T15:14:59.690" UserId="5842" />
  <row Id="1782" PostId="1169" Score="1" Text="You are absolutely right... There's very high probability that I wouldn't have posted that comment had the question been posted on U&amp;L instead of AU :-)" CreationDate="2013-03-15T10:07:43.573" UserId="31668" />
  <row Id="1783" PostId="1199" Score="0" Text="Would you mind posting a screenshot of what you see when you visit the bottom of the page?" CreationDate="2013-03-16T02:07:41.423" UserId="5973" />
  <row Id="1785" PostId="1203" Score="0" Text="ah, ok. it looks like my misunderstood. thanks for clarification." CreationDate="2013-03-30T23:36:16.530" UserId="13003" />
  <row Id="1786" PostId="887" Score="0" Text="how to get unix stackexchange tshirt again?" CreationDate="2013-03-31T14:58:25.923" UserId="3979" />
  <row Id="1789" PostId="1206" Score="0" Text="I believe we do yes... also we get this special diamond... honestly though I'm glad we're getting more 10k users as I've not really been active for some time." CreationDate="2013-04-03T03:10:40.567" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="1790" PostId="1204" Score="0" Text="Yes, even some bold or larger font could be helpful." CreationDate="2013-04-03T16:29:23.017" UserId="34210" />
  <row Id="1793" PostId="1209" Score="2" Text="&quot;Preference&quot; is no less subjective than &quot;best practice&quot;..." CreationDate="2013-04-04T22:29:12.387" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="1794" PostId="1209" Score="0" Text="@jasonwryan: I guess you are right, but my intent of framing that question was to ask its pros and cons of the two stuff - as you have put in your answer as advantages and disadvantages :-)" CreationDate="2013-04-05T06:03:09.983" UserId="31668" />
  <row Id="1795" PostId="1210" Score="0" Text="Though that makes the tag itself harder to read, because it reduces the contract between text color and background." CreationDate="2013-04-05T12:48:29.593" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="1796" PostId="1214" Score="0" Text="Michael Mrozek♦, thank you for the excellent answer! I had tried the search box in upper right, and when nothing came out, decided that Google would be useless. Wrong." CreationDate="2013-04-09T06:55:22.223" UserId="20506" />
  <row Id="1798" PostId="1213" Score="0" Text="Related: http://xkcd.com/149/ :)" CreationDate="2013-04-12T17:47:17.107" UserId="14084" />
  <row Id="1799" PostId="1217" Score="1" Text="I think this would get better visibility on [meta.SE]." CreationDate="2013-04-15T19:12:15.583" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="1800" PostId="1217" Score="0" Text="I'm told a couple employees are working on answers, so don't repost on MSO" CreationDate="2013-04-15T19:24:01.370" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1801" PostId="1218" Score="1" Text="Thank you for the comprehensive answer; it goes a long way to assuaging my concerns about if/how our views are heard. Perhaps we could add another tag, `todo` that the staff could use to signal that the request has been noted, agreed and will be actioned when time/resource allow?" CreationDate="2013-04-15T22:01:54.200" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="1802" PostId="1218" Score="0" Text="@jasonwryan: that tag already exists - [meta-tag:status-planned]. We try hard not to use it for anything that isn't at least being worked on *right now* - otherwise, it's essentially meaningless (or rather, it effectively means the same thing as [meta-tag:status-deferred])." CreationDate="2013-04-15T23:39:23.540" UserId="5973" />
  <row Id="1803" PostId="1218" Score="3" Text="@Shog9 Then you have a gap in your comms... Of all of the questions I linked to, only one has an &quot;official&quot; (ie., red) tag, and that is `status-declined`. I would suggest `status-deferred` would be at least a step in the right direction. Either that or a comment that says &quot;we hear ya&quot;." CreationDate="2013-04-15T23:59:22.227" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="1804" PostId="1210" Score="1" Text="They're now 230 - slightly darker, but still enough contrast to read the text." CreationDate="2013-04-16T00:28:29.907" UserId="5973" />
  <row Id="1805" PostId="800" Score="0" Text="It's Liberation Serif now, since apparently y'all like serifs more than SO does." CreationDate="2013-04-16T00:29:48.083" UserId="5973" />
  <row Id="1806" PostId="1218" Score="0" Text="@jasonwryan: Retagging or commenting on this stuff probably takes about as much time as actually *doing it*. As aarthi noted, the long-term solution is... Just having enough manpower to actually get trivial stuff done without it becoming a major backlog." CreationDate="2013-04-16T00:32:59.053" UserId="5973" />
  <row Id="1807" PostId="1219" Score="1" Text="Thank you: that looks *so* much better." CreationDate="2013-04-16T00:39:01.283" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="1808" PostId="1219" Score="0" Text="[Sklivvz](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/users/6869/sklivvz) is the man. I believe he even uses some Apple-flavored Unix..." CreationDate="2013-04-16T00:43:56.023" UserId="5973" />
  <row Id="1809" PostId="952" Score="0" Text="@Shog9: yay! Thanks a lot." CreationDate="2013-04-16T07:28:58.107" UserId="5842" />
  <row Id="1810" PostId="1217" Score="0" Text="just FYI, [More Visible Tags](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/1204/more-visible-tags) has been addressed. They went from 240 to 230, but it still looks better." CreationDate="2013-04-16T16:02:34.240" UserId="19512" />
  <row Id="1811" PostId="1217" Score="0" Text="@MattDMo *All* of the requests I linked to in the question are now `status-completed`, thanks to the SE team." CreationDate="2013-04-16T18:08:50.263" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="1812" PostId="1224" Score="0" Text="Hadn't thought about the question ban, makes sense for the automatic reject. As for the delay: it took unusually long for the close dialog to close when I cast the vote. Maybe there's something a bit racy in that situation. Thanks for looking into this in any case." CreationDate="2013-04-22T14:47:52.293" UserId="5842" />
  <row Id="1813" PostId="469" Score="0" Text="Why is this on meta?" CreationDate="2013-04-24T17:03:23.770" UserId="34210" />
  <row Id="1815" PostId="1230" Score="0" Text="Touché.  However, I wonder how we determine how likely a question that was not solved for the OP is to be helpful to others.  The particular question being discussed seems like an &quot;obvious&quot; case, but others may not be so relatable.  I also wonder if answers which only provide troubleshooting steps can/should be distinguished from answers that give a specific solution, but alas, that's another question..." CreationDate="2013-04-26T12:41:56.473" UserId="34210" />
  <row Id="1816" PostId="1232" Score="0" Text="To paraphrase the point of my own answer in a comment: I do not think deleting other people's comments *before a question has a checkmarked answer* is productive behaviour." CreationDate="2013-04-27T13:32:34.690" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="1817" PostId="1234" Score="0" Text="on second thought, you are right. They would only make sense as alias tags, like `bash-builtin` =&gt; `bash` &amp;&amp; `shell-builtin`, this will *cheat* the 5 tags limit" CreationDate="2013-04-27T13:35:03.523" UserId="30320" />
  <row Id="1818" PostId="1236" Score="0" Text="I had thought that XFree86 -&gt; Xorg was just a name change, but I notice now it is actually a fork, even if XFree86 is dormant.  And of course, point taken on the difference between protocol and implementation." CreationDate="2013-04-29T17:17:05.373" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="1819" PostId="1236" Score="0" Text="Desktop X servers are not the only ones implementing the X protocol, nor the only thing related to X11 even on platforms where xorg is the dominant X desktop implementation (think XDMCP, X11 authentication, X11 extensions, security, ssh X11 forwarding, vnc servers, Xephyr/Xnest, x11vnc, xtox...)" CreationDate="2013-05-06T14:45:28.670" UserId="22565" />
  <row Id="1820" PostId="1227" Score="0" Text="Surely the main point of tags is to aid in searching? Without tagging based on answers, less people would find the answer - if I was searching for how to solve a certain task with (say) `sed`, then my search may not find a more generic 'how do I solve this task?' question, even if there was a sed-based answer that solved my (the searcher's) problem perfectly." CreationDate="2013-05-08T12:11:51.340" UserId="34494" />
  <row Id="1821" PostId="1227" Score="0" Text="@evilsoup When a tag is overly-specific, though, that negatively affects searching by filtering out too much. Search will still look at the full text of answers, of course, so your sed-based answer is likely to come up when you are looking for it." CreationDate="2013-05-08T12:18:19.343" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="1822" PostId="1227" Score="0" Text="In general, it's better to focus on _how to solve problems_ than on _how to use a specific tool_. (For the latter, there's documentation.)" CreationDate="2013-05-08T12:19:31.393" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="1823" PostId="1245" Score="0" Text="I don't understand *If a downvote is revoked then the author of the post should not get back both reputation points but just one*. What other reputation points are you referring to, other than the one lost from being downvoted?" CreationDate="2013-05-11T06:37:27.927" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="1824" PostId="1245" Score="3" Text="@Tshepang: you lose 2 rep. when one of your posts is downvoted, Hauke is proposing that only one of those two get &quot;refunded&quot; if the downvote is removed. (I think.)" CreationDate="2013-05-11T06:41:14.603" UserId="5842" />
  <row Id="1825" PostId="1245" Score="2" Text="[Related post on MSO](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/1751/allow-an-edit-to-notify-downvoters-i-think-ive-fixed-the-issue-now-please-c)." CreationDate="2013-05-11T06:44:50.840" UserId="5842" />
  <row Id="1826" PostId="1240" Score="0" Text="It can have a meaning of its own. If someone bothers to make a wiki description for it! Other than that, I don't even see much difference between [console] and [terminal]." CreationDate="2013-05-11T13:10:49.240" UserId="18479" />
  <row Id="1827" PostId="1245" Score="1" Text="@Mat Strange, so many upvotes, so many answers, noone against it, proposals for implementation details – and nothing happened?" CreationDate="2013-05-11T14:13:30.543" UserId="32191" />
  <row Id="1828" PostId="1245" Score="1" Text="[That's not the only one like that](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/feature-request+status-declined?sort=votes&amp;pagesize=15) :-) (There is an answer by Jeff Atwood at the end). I don't think I've seen the &quot;don't refund the whole points&quot; thing proposed before, but I'm relatively pessimistic about how that would be received. I don't really like the idea myself." CreationDate="2013-05-11T14:19:37.627" UserId="5842" />
  <row Id="1829" PostId="1245" Score="0" Text="@Mat So give it another try now that he has left SE? ;-)" CreationDate="2013-05-11T14:25:54.417" UserId="32191" />
  <row Id="1830" PostId="1243" Score="3" Text="In [How to count the number of a specific character in each line?](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/18736/how-to-count-the-number-of-a-specific-character-in-each-line) [prasan's answer](http://unix.stackexchange.com/a/74167) is essentially the same as [Loki Astari's answer](http://unix.stackexchange.com/a/18753). Posted more than an year and half after the original one, prasan's answer adds no value, but already got an upvote. Which should be received by Loki Astari's answer. I think that is not fair." CreationDate="2013-05-12T14:53:21.573" UserId="10412" />
  <row Id="1831" PostId="1243" Score="0" Text="Right, that's an example of a duplicate answer that clearly doesn't add anything. There's no attempt to explain the same information differently. But that said, I wouldn't worry so much about &quot;fair&quot;. Maybe someone upvoted noth answers. Or even if not, there are plenty of upvotes in the world." CreationDate="2013-05-12T15:03:58.040" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="1832" PostId="1247" Score="2" Text="Think of bounties as advertising. Placing ads costs, but doesn't come with any guarantees." CreationDate="2013-05-13T05:29:29.237" UserId="5842" />
  <row Id="1833" PostId="1248" Score="0" Text="if I wanted to offer a higher bounty, I have to wait now since I don't have many points whereas if it was returned, I could just tack on points to the existing reward." CreationDate="2013-05-13T15:27:11.840" UserId="36241" />
  <row Id="1834" PostId="1248" Score="0" Text="@dustin Yes, but I don't see how it's a problem with the system that you don't have enough rep to offer two bounties in a row -- you just don't have enough rep. It's supposed to cost rep to offer a bounty, it's not a bug that you're unable to offer them over and over" CreationDate="2013-05-13T15:35:57.983" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1835" PostId="1248" Score="0" Text="The last paragraph is valid only if the Bounty offered is worth 500 points, since every additional Bounty on a Question requires double the previous Bounty amount." CreationDate="2013-05-13T21:47:54.050" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="1836" PostId="1251" Score="0" Text="I'm only asking about the latter. I think in the former case, it can be resolved just using the voting system." CreationDate="2013-05-15T07:22:58.287" UserId="10762" />
  <row Id="1837" PostId="1243" Score="0" Text="Well, okay then. I know when I'm outvoted. :)" CreationDate="2013-05-16T21:15:19.140" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="1838" PostId="1255" Score="1" Text="That's...strange. Maybe the person didn't realize they were tag wiki edits? If you were creating the wiki that seems hard to miss though" CreationDate="2013-05-17T04:55:31.480" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1839" PostId="1107" Score="0" Text="Wait, why are there two FreeBSD ads?" CreationDate="2013-05-19T14:00:30.423" UserId="17008" />
  <row Id="1840" PostId="1107" Score="0" Text="No idea, I submitted mine months before the other. Also, I rotate the ad through these three images: Secure: http://i.stack.imgur.com/DpB75.png Creation: http://i.imgur.com/gz1Si.png Choice: http://i.imgur.com/FR25D.png These images are based on the official advertising material (edited for the 220x250 size)." CreationDate="2013-05-20T00:07:21.820" UserId="5083" />
  <row Id="1841" PostId="1258" Score="0" Text="Okay, just making sure. Thank you!" CreationDate="2013-05-21T15:48:26.323" UserId="32081" />
  <row Id="1842" PostId="1255" Score="0" Text="Which tags were they if you can remember them?" CreationDate="2013-05-23T06:33:17.043" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="1843" PostId="1255" Score="0" Text="@slm - the tag wikis for Asterisk, chkconfig, and Chef are examples. The tag wiki excerpts for dnsmasq and chkconfig are other examples. Like I stated, most of my suggested edits are getting accepted - I just want to make sure my edits are not borderline bad or something like that (and understand the real reason some are getting rejected, so I can improve them)." CreationDate="2013-05-23T14:50:07.017" UserId="34433" />
  <row Id="1844" PostId="1255" Score="0" Text="When I started reviewing I noticed the tags coming through and then realized that reviewers review these in addition to suggested edits. Initially that caught me off guard and after digging I realized that reviewing entailed edits to the posts as well as to the tags. I could see how someone new to reviewing could get confused and might dismiss the tag edits as &quot;too minor&quot; if they didn't understand that aspect to the site." CreationDate="2013-05-23T15:22:28.857" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="1846" PostId="1107" Score="5" Text="Except the community voted for the first; not to give you a license to roll through any others--those should be submitted separately." CreationDate="2013-05-26T04:51:33.370" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="1848" PostId="1264" Score="0" Text="Well, now you got enough rep to offer it again :)" CreationDate="2013-05-28T05:55:27.887" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="1849" PostId="1266" Score="1" Text="I was surprised that this was closed too." CreationDate="2013-05-28T05:58:09.583" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="1850" PostId="1266" Score="1" Text="I have no particular problems with this question, though I'm going to see what happens overnight." CreationDate="2013-05-28T06:19:49.710" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="1851" PostId="1265" Score="0" Text="Well I meant the grace period to be extended until the user logs in - not the period in which the question is featured. Also it still doesn't have to be open-ended. Could be like 7 days if the user doesn't log in." CreationDate="2013-05-28T08:49:07.447" UserId="21097" />
  <row Id="1852" PostId="1264" Score="0" Text="@Tshepang I don't have enough reputation." CreationDate="2013-05-28T08:49:52.857" UserId="21097" />
  <row Id="1853" PostId="1264" Score="0" Text="You only need 75 rep to start a Bounty." CreationDate="2013-05-28T10:41:46.400" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="1854" PostId="1264" Score="0" Text="@Tshepang I suppose that is because my next bounty must be at least 100 points as I have already done the 50 points bounty." CreationDate="2013-05-28T10:48:23.710" UserId="21097" />
  <row Id="1855" PostId="1264" Score="0" Text="Oh, I see now. Sori." CreationDate="2013-05-28T10:49:13.160" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="1857" PostId="1267" Score="0" Text="Thanks for reply. I ask because I'm unsure. My thinking is: *You are using Linux. You're having a Q about an application. Go to Stackexchange and find U&amp;L. Read the FAQ and bp 5. Ask question. Question get closed with no comments + down vote*. What message does that give? I also favor, in general, questions that are *not SU specific* – but as long as it does not breach FAQ, is it correct to close? In this case – yes, Skype is cross platform, but a solution is often platform specific no the less. Again; as I have the power of voting, and unsure, I'd like to do right by the guidelines." CreationDate="2013-05-28T19:21:54.450" UserId="28489" />
  <row Id="1858" PostId="1268" Score="0" Text="Thanks for reply. I'm in a rather conflicted process of getting an understanding of what is correct here ;). In my understanding an application can yes, be cross platform, but usually entails different quirks and ways to solve an issue depending on platform – as do Skype. As an example of the opposite there is quite a few questions about Vim, that I (and from the looks of it most others) both like and endorse, but at the same time most of them are as Windows (where Vim also is my editor of choice) specific as Linux or other." CreationDate="2013-05-28T19:33:12.007" UserId="28489" />
  <row Id="1859" PostId="1268" Score="1" Text="The issue is narrowed somewhat by the fact that, unlike Vim, Skype is distributed as a binary: there are no compilation options, etc., that would further qualify it for *nix relevance." CreationDate="2013-05-28T20:48:13.527" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="1860" PostId="1266" Score="1" Text="I was one of the close voters; I saw nothing Linux/UNIX-specific about it, and thought it might be more suitable for Super User (where there's a skype tag with 500+ questions)." CreationDate="2013-05-28T21:11:58.783" UserId="15630" />
  <row Id="1861" PostId="1269" Score="0" Text="Upvoted because you have argued your point well. I would still contend that looking at the edits provides the utility you champion." CreationDate="2013-05-28T21:58:11.717" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="1862" PostId="1255" Score="0" Text="@slm - An edit being &quot;too minor&quot; is not the subject of this post - The reviewers are marking tag wiki edits as &quot;This edit changes too much in the original post; the original meaning or intent of the post would be lost.&quot; That being said, if an editor doesn't take full dedication in understanding what is needed/required to make a proper review, maybe said editor should be stripped of their reviewing privileges. As obviously they do not understand what they are doing, so they really have no purpose doing it." CreationDate="2013-05-30T02:34:33.413" UserId="34433" />
  <row Id="1863" PostId="1255" Score="1" Text="@BriGuy - &quot;too minor&quot; or &quot;too much&quot; are being driven by the choices provided you when reviewing. Like I said, the tag reviews are thrown in with the reviews for edits to answers so I can see how a reviewer might think a tag edit is &quot;too much&quot;, esp. if they aren't familiar with tags across the SE sites." CreationDate="2013-05-30T02:57:20.710" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="1864" PostId="1255" Score="0" Text="@BriGuy - I see it slightly differently wrt being a reviewer. Reviewing is a skill that ppl have to acquire over time. Obviously ppl have to put time in to get good at it, but it's a slightly different skill then answering questions. I've found the documentation very lacking wrt how to be a good reviewer across all the SE sites. The info -is- out there but it's completely fragmented and disorganized. Just my $0.02." CreationDate="2013-05-30T02:58:01.027" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="1865" PostId="1270" Score="0" Text="But the talk is about redirection (&lt;) vs &quot;cat&quot;, not cmdline arguments." CreationDate="2013-05-30T14:29:52.613" UserId="4319" />
  <row Id="1866" PostId="1268" Score="3" Text="The question could be asked on Windows, but [the answers might be different](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/1266/are-skype-questions-off-topic/1275#1275). Besides, CoLinux doesn't make Linux off-topic here." CreationDate="2013-05-31T00:13:26.990" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1867" PostId="1270" Score="0" Text="Also the talk is about _editing_ such code, not whether is a good or bad habit to use it." CreationDate="2013-05-31T06:21:57.287" UserId="10412" />
  <row Id="1868" PostId="1270" Score="0" Text="@mana Editing away such uses is an explicit judgment that the uses are bad, else why bother?" CreationDate="2013-05-31T07:06:23.643" UserId="14259" />
  <row Id="1869" PostId="1270" Score="5" Text="@imz Language is full of redundancies; the &quot;unnecessary&quot; parts make it easier for fallible human beings to use.  Editing those parts away is often the exact opposite of being helpful." CreationDate="2013-05-31T07:06:50.503" UserId="14259" />
  <row Id="1870" PostId="1276" Score="2" Text="I've no problem to edit - say - unquoted variable expansions _and_ useless uses of dd _and_ useless uses of cat. Some arguments for useless cat are too general for my taste, I mean, in the same way you could argue that useless uses of dd/unquoted variable expansions are easier to read, easier to copy and paste, more known to the general public, one thing less to remember ..." CreationDate="2013-05-31T14:12:10.743" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="1871" PostId="1276" Score="0" Text="@maxschlepzig `cat` is very easy to understand and has a low risk of misuse. `dd` has a unique syntax and is vulnerable to typos (`if` and `of` are but one key away on most keyboards). Unquoted variable expansions are wrong unless there is an assurance that the value doesn't contain spaces or globbing characters." CreationDate="2013-05-31T14:16:23.757" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1873" PostId="1284" Score="1" Text="Laura♦: [_The Analytical badge will no longer be awarded._](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/183128/analytical-badge-still-showing-faq)" CreationDate="2013-06-05T21:21:31.867" UserId="5842" />
  <row Id="1874" PostId="1261" Score="1" Text="FYI - in IBM Unix System Services, you can't `grep &lt;pattern&gt; &lt;file&gt;` if your &lt;file&gt; is an MVS dataset. You have to use `cat &quot;//'MVS.DATASET'&quot; | grep &lt;pattern&gt;` if you want to grep a dataset." CreationDate="2013-06-06T00:43:53.847" UserId="16789" />
  <row Id="1875" PostId="1267" Score="0" Text="It is perfectly acceptable to suggest to a user that it might be better served by SU. For many applications I would do this as well , though I think you should realize that firefox on unix is different from firefox on windows for example (different menu locations different performance profiles)" CreationDate="2013-06-06T02:07:45.167" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="1876" PostId="1266" Score="1" Text="Although I've been very busy and forgot I have re-reviewed this and the answers. I have decided to consider it on topic, and voted and reopened it. I apologize for not doing this sooner." CreationDate="2013-06-06T02:09:23.173" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="1877" PostId="1269" Score="3" Text="Rather than breaking up the stream you can insert `tee` commands where you want a copy of the output: `foo --bar | tee file1.txt | sort -r | tee file2.txt | uniq -c`" CreationDate="2013-06-06T11:44:54.053" UserId="3645" />
  <row Id="1878" PostId="1292" Score="0" Text="Serverfault is a broader church, with three times as many users..." CreationDate="2013-06-08T00:47:13.380" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="1879" PostId="1294" Score="0" Text="Interesting point. I would not agree that courses and books can replace a Q&amp;A service like Serverfault but that a relevant share of the (foreign) audience simply abstains from using an English service (unless absolutely necessary) seems plausible. On the other hand: Among the top 36 users of Serverfault are freaks / geeks only. I would assume about any IT geek to be fluent in &quot;IT English&quot;. But that is just a feeling, not based on international observation like in your case." CreationDate="2013-06-08T14:13:10.337" UserId="32191" />
  <row Id="1880" PostId="1269" Score="1" Text="The prefix form `&lt; file2.txt  sort -r &gt; file2.txt` etc. should be as convenient for your copy'n'paste working style, right?" CreationDate="2013-06-10T14:00:23.410" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="1881" PostId="1261" Score="0" Text="i prefer the hand of god, lot of people come here (to stack pages), copy, paste and edit. without your change they would use the cat, maybe change the file and params." CreationDate="2013-06-10T18:37:01.693" UserId="38042" />
  <row Id="1882" PostId="1298" Score="1" Text="Unfortunately, [that feature request](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/87031/reset-votes-on-migrated-questions) was declined." CreationDate="2013-06-10T18:48:39.960" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1883" PostId="1298" Score="0" Text="well there is always next year" CreationDate="2013-06-10T18:58:47.397" UserId="38042" />
  <row Id="1884" PostId="311" Score="0" Text="+1 all good points, but I think your second point is sufficient!" CreationDate="2013-06-15T00:29:45.910" UserId="41201" />
  <row Id="1885" PostId="1302" Score="0" Text="I posted my anwer, thanks" CreationDate="2013-06-15T06:53:03.267" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="1886" PostId="1300" Score="1" Text="Then its also my monitor and/or my eyes. I set `a { text-decoration: underline !important; }` CSS for them using Stylish. As Jukka Korpela wrote: “[Links Want To Be Links](http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/www/links.html)”." CreationDate="2013-06-15T11:59:11.153" UserId="10412" />
  <row Id="1888" PostId="1300" Score="0" Text="I'm in the same boat. The only way I can tell if it's a link is staring intently at it or running my mouse over to see if it's clickable." CreationDate="2013-06-17T13:59:49.547" UserId="40111" />
  <row Id="1889" PostId="1305" Score="0" Text="Have you had a look at the &quot;helpful flags&quot; link in your profile?" CreationDate="2013-06-18T14:31:45.300" UserId="32191" />
  <row Id="1891" PostId="1307" Score="2" Text="*Sooo* tempted to start a flagging frenzy now that I know you get zapped for each one... :)" CreationDate="2013-06-19T01:42:01.460" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="1892" PostId="1308" Score="4" Text="I'd say go ahead and ask them. It will be an issue only when you seem to spam the site with *too many* such questions, in a short period of time. It's subjective what *too many* is, so just go ahead." CreationDate="2013-06-20T09:03:08.500" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="1893" PostId="1153" Score="2" Text="RIP, god bless him" CreationDate="2013-06-22T11:12:37.567" UserId="20920" />
  <row Id="1894" PostId="1306" Score="0" Text="There are still my flags that have not been addressed and are languishing.  Thus there are NOT ZERO open moderator flags." CreationDate="2013-06-24T20:30:32.917" UserId="1142" />
  <row Id="1895" PostId="1317" Score="1" Text="Whew!   Goodness, I need to get a life ..." CreationDate="2013-06-26T10:32:21.547" UserId="36049" />
  <row Id="1896" PostId="1317" Score="0" Text="You just (16 hours ago) posted on the question this is about. You should know that a good answer was submitted, and from that answer you should have realized why yours was unhelpful. For the record, I don't have enough rep to downvote you. And that bit about making us better users... perhaps I reacted to you wrong." CreationDate="2013-06-27T03:28:31.847" UserId="29783" />
  <row Id="1897" PostId="1317" Score="0" Text="Two upvotes on the response, one on &quot;I need to get a life&quot;. Hmm ..." CreationDate="2013-06-27T10:01:36.183" UserId="36049" />
  <row Id="1898" PostId="1317" Score="0" Text="@Wutaz - On the latter - noted; I didn't (don't?) have the rep to comment, or I would've just done that in the first place.  And yeah ('better users'), I'm not a troll.  Re the former - well, I see another answer.   If it's 'good'/gives you what you wanted, accept it.   If you say it's a better for you, it is - great.   TBH, I don't see how it is much better at answering the question as you posted it, nor how it shows mine to be unhelpful; this could be partly because I still feel the question is .. sub-optimally written, shall we say?" CreationDate="2013-06-27T10:50:42.053" UserId="36049" />
  <row Id="1899" PostId="1317" Score="0" Text="...   Although, as I think I've acknowledged a few times now, I'm not saying that my answer was very helpful, much less better. // Do you see how my &quot;suggested edits&quot; (from my Jun 6 edit) would, at least, improve the precision of your question?  // As I said in my recent comment, I don't see how a VM is better than a Live-USB; if it is for your case, this would have been a way to clarify what you want. (Yes I realize the chicken-and-egg nature of that, but if you thikn about why you find a VM satisfactory, but not a live-system (possibly with state-saving) or simply pre-fetching packages .." CreationDate="2013-06-27T10:56:09.683" UserId="36049" />
  <row Id="1900" PostId="1317" Score="0" Text=".. then maybe there would have been a way to describe *that* (the goal/condition you wanted, that now makes a VM a better answer).   // I will say this - as Anthon said, VMs can be useful tools, and are a good thing to practice/study.   I'd say Live-OSs are, too (even if it's not the right tool here, they're more capable than I think you think." CreationDate="2013-06-27T10:58:47.223" UserId="36049" />
  <row Id="1901" PostId="1317" Score="0" Text="The original OS continues to run. While installing a booted system, live or otherwise, nothing else can be done. That's why I asked for a solution that will run in the old OS. As for Anthon's answer, I can't test it yet, and it seems akward to accept an answer that I haven't been able to use. I'm getting to it. If we continue this, I think we should do it in pm or the original question. Before we invoke too much Rule 25/Rule 26 here." CreationDate="2013-06-27T15:54:04.560" UserId="29783" />
  <row Id="1902" PostId="1317" Score="0" Text="['Conceivably useful / might belong on meta'-] I think you should accept his answer, then. If you're going to try it, it answers your question. If it doesn't work, you can either comment/ask him to help you through the VM way, or post a new (more detailed, precise) question.  Going from MNSHO, not a rule I can cite.  ['Not so much'-] Yeah, I can see that (although I focused on the wrong part of his answer at first). I still see problems (that I'd call relevant), but it's getting pretty hair-splitty. 'If we continue ..' - yeah, agreed. 'If' is up to you; either way is fine by me." CreationDate="2013-06-28T03:26:32.850" UserId="36049" />
  <row Id="1904" PostId="1291" Score="1" Text="Note that downvoting requires 125 rep." CreationDate="2013-06-30T18:42:43.720" UserId="14084" />
  <row Id="1905" PostId="1153" Score="0" Text="The link appears to be dead as of 7/1/13, along with everything under `bell-labs.com/who`." CreationDate="2013-07-01T17:51:20.923" UserId="23015" />
  <row Id="1906" PostId="1321" Score="0" Text="It will look fine for you. I figured it out. View my answer @jasonwryan." CreationDate="2013-07-02T18:37:00.947" UserId="40770" />
  <row Id="1907" PostId="1320" Score="4" Text="This question appears to be off-topic because it is about a browser add-on" CreationDate="2013-07-02T22:26:41.250" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1908" PostId="1325" Score="0" Text="Yes, that was it. Maybe it's posible to show it a bit longer? I rarely upvote questions, tho." CreationDate="2013-07-03T18:36:57.363" UserId="28180" />
  <row Id="1909" PostId="1318" Score="3" Text="Personally, I don't see any problems with it. It's not exactly like there's going to be somebody subscribed to SunOS that is going to fly into a rage if they have to look at questions pertaining to recent platform versions (or vice versa). Keeping them separate would actually seem to only fragment the support base should someone come in with a relevant question (i.e the person who would have answered the question, also thought subscribing to &quot;sunos&quot; was good enough and didn't know &quot;Solaris&quot; was a different tag)." CreationDate="2013-07-05T13:17:51.213" UserId="34520" />
  <row Id="1910" PostId="1326" Score="1" Text="re: note, it depends on how you define innovation." CreationDate="2013-07-05T23:52:34.987" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="1911" PostId="1327" Score="0" Text="See http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/971/can-the-list-of-targets-for-does-not-belong-here-be-expanded" CreationDate="2013-07-06T00:00:53.653" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="1912" PostId="1327" Score="0" Text="I have no problem with the question in question. Especially considering all operating systems in question are Unix" CreationDate="2013-07-06T00:50:38.720" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="1913" PostId="1327" Score="0" Text="@xenoterracide yeah, I was intending to flag because I think it'd fit Super User much better, and I thought it would get better answers there. I'd agree that it is technically OK on U&amp;L, though." CreationDate="2013-07-06T00:55:20.713" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="1914" PostId="1328" Score="0" Text="how'd you get those stats btw... I was poking the mod tools, but couldn't find an obvious way" CreationDate="2013-07-06T01:00:22.253" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="1915" PostId="1327" Score="2" Text="the author can always request we do it, and we will. So if you convince the author to ask us to migrate..." CreationDate="2013-07-06T01:03:05.203" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="1916" PostId="1328" Score="0" Text="@xenoterracide http://unix.stackexchange.com/admin/posts/migrated/stats" CreationDate="2013-07-06T01:04:07.053" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1917" PostId="1329" Score="1" Text="I agree in principle; but I think--given their choices about departing from using *nix standard approaches--the onus should be on them (they have the knowledge), and I haven't seen much in the way of questions that we would actually regret losing, unless volume is a consideration." CreationDate="2013-07-06T01:24:28.940" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="1918" PostId="1329" Score="0" Text="But there should be a way to flag [questions like this](http://unix.stackexchange.com/q/79462/41104) that are obviously ubuntu(in-any-flavor)-specific questions" CreationDate="2013-07-07T07:21:51.097" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="1919" PostId="1333" Score="5" Text="TOO LATE. If you wanted to answer this maybe you should've been 7 seconds faster" CreationDate="2013-07-08T17:02:33.637" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1920" PostId="1333" Score="1" Text="I waited a bit to see if someone would post an answer in the question's comments? You could convert this, for the irony :-)" CreationDate="2013-07-08T17:11:35.943" UserId="5842" />
  <row Id="1921" PostId="1330" Score="0" Text="Something like this was asked on main Meta: http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/14591." CreationDate="2013-07-08T20:25:38.653" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="1922" PostId="1330" Score="0" Text="@Tshepang I see a bias towards refunding there." CreationDate="2013-07-08T20:40:09.837" UserId="11083" />
  <row Id="1923" PostId="1330" Score="0" Text="I'm not actually convinced it's offtopic... the problem seems to be a terminal one, I could be wrong, but that seems like what is being discussed." CreationDate="2013-07-09T05:28:55.860" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="1924" PostId="1334" Score="4" Text="I'm curious as to what visual elements correspond to, or are inspired by, the command line? It is not evident to me." CreationDate="2013-07-09T07:35:04.243" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="1925" PostId="1334" Score="0" Text="Prefixing stuff with `/` and font" CreationDate="2013-07-09T07:42:59.937" UserId="33094" />
  <row Id="1926" PostId="1330" Score="0" Text="If it is off-topic here, where else should it be asked?" CreationDate="2013-07-09T07:43:27.157" UserId="10412" />
  <row Id="1927" PostId="1334" Score="0" Text="Fair enough. I'd never really thought of it that way..." CreationDate="2013-07-09T07:44:11.237" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="1928" PostId="1330" Score="0" Text="@manatwork this looks like a PHP problem. PHP is a programming language that does not belong to the core-installation. SuperUser ist there for programming questions. But I will edit my question." CreationDate="2013-07-09T10:29:56.270" UserId="11083" />
  <row Id="1929" PostId="1330" Score="0" Text="@xenoterracide I reworded my question to get to the core of the question. That is not related to a specific question." CreationDate="2013-07-09T10:32:51.253" UserId="11083" />
  <row Id="1930" PostId="1334" Score="7" Text="I thought most file managers displayed their current working directories. `/...` isn't associated with the shell; it's associated with the filesystem." CreationDate="2013-07-09T11:22:51.743" UserDisplayName="user26112" />
  <row Id="1931" PostId="1335" Score="0" Text="you need to log in with the same username and password as before..." CreationDate="2013-07-09T16:35:18.483" UserId="19512" />
  <row Id="1932" PostId="1335" Score="0" Text="If you know what email address you used to sign up, there's an account recovery form at http://unix.stackexchange.com/users/account-recovery ; if you want to merge this account with your other one, there's a contact address at http://unix.stackexchange.com/help/user-merge (both those links are available from the 'help' link at the top of any page, then looking under the My Account section)." CreationDate="2013-07-09T17:08:09.423" UserDisplayName="user4443" />
  <row Id="1933" PostId="1153" Score="0" Text="It's now http://www.cs.bell-labs.com/who/dmr/index.html" CreationDate="2013-07-17T11:03:00.607" UserId="43232" />
  <row Id="1934" PostId="1341" Score="2" Text="One additional thing I would like to see in that answer, is how much those two programs are compatible with each other." CreationDate="2013-07-24T08:07:26.120" UserId="10412" />
  <row Id="1935" PostId="1343" Score="2" Text="To clarify, since I'm not sure if &quot;temporary state&quot; is misleading, &quot;on hold&quot; is the new name for &quot;closed&quot;. The point is to try and convey to people that closing isn't necessarily permanent if they can fix whatever is wrong with the question. There's no method to vote to close because the question *is* closed, we're just calling it something less severe" CreationDate="2013-07-24T21:46:41.417" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1936" PostId="1153" Score="0" Text="DMR is certainly a hoopy frood, but a little text would improve this &quot;advertisement&quot; enormously." CreationDate="2013-07-25T12:06:02.767" UserId="1294" />
  <row Id="1937" PostId="1343" Score="1" Text="&quot;On-hold&quot; actually does become &quot;closed&quot; after a period, so it's not _just_ a new name." CreationDate="2013-07-25T20:10:36.270" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="1938" PostId="1343" Score="0" Text="Oh, I never noticed that" CreationDate="2013-07-25T21:09:44.977" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1939" PostId="1345" Score="1" Text="There's no way to create [tag:network-manager] when [tag:networkmanager] except if the editor is a ♦moderator. But it's good to keep the hyphenated version for migrations from [ubuntu.se] because there the tag is [hyphenated](http://askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/network-manager)." CreationDate="2013-07-25T23:52:22.557" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1940" PostId="1343" Score="2" Text="More precisely (Cc @MichaelMrozek), “on hold” means “closed less than 5 days ago” and “closed” means “on hold since more than 5 days”. Other than the name change, one thing happens at the 5-day mark: before that point, edits by the asker push the question to the reopen queue; after that point, only reopen votes do. Yes, it's obscure. No, I don't know why." CreationDate="2013-07-25T23:54:53.207" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1941" PostId="1346" Score="0" Text="Dash here, and dash there: [tag:oracle-el] for the OS and [tag:oracle-db] for the, um... database?" CreationDate="2013-07-28T22:25:16.210" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="1942" PostId="315" Score="0" Text="About page had a link for this question so I'll ask here, questions about writing linux device drivers on-topic here or on StackOverflow?" CreationDate="2013-07-31T13:28:49.970" UserId="41638" />
  <row Id="1943" PostId="315" Score="7" Text="@AseemBansal Writing a device driver is development work, so it belongs on [so]. Basically, if you'd ask your system administrator or IT support, ask on [unix.se]; if you'd ask a programmer, ask on [so]." CreationDate="2013-07-31T15:50:04.170" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1944" PostId="1347" Score="0" Text="use [chat](http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/26/unix-and-linux) for such" CreationDate="2013-08-03T11:55:27.723" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="1945" PostId="1347" Score="0" Text="Even if you would ask Karanbir Singh he would give you the same answer as xenoterracide. The same is possibly true for Ubuntu." CreationDate="2013-08-05T14:43:20.157" UserId="11083" />
  <row Id="1946" PostId="1359" Score="0" Text="As Gilles [answered](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/a/1360/21281), the change would muddy the waters and not clarify them.  As a regular user of both Linux and various brands of Unix, I wouldn't know to look for something called &quot;nix&quot;." CreationDate="2013-08-13T18:57:36.057" UserId="21281" />
  <row Id="1947" PostId="1362" Score="0" Text="Thank you, I will deal with that." CreationDate="2013-08-15T10:32:21.910" UserId="18182" />
  <row Id="1948" PostId="1359" Score="0" Text="nix is also, in many English speaking countries, slang for &quot;nothing&quot; (from the German, *nichts*)..." CreationDate="2013-08-17T10:07:39.030" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="1949" PostId="1366" Score="5" Text="^ our might as well be a moderator has spoken. We don't need to hold elections we just need to stick a diamond next to his name. Lol" CreationDate="2013-08-21T09:32:21.020" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="1950" PostId="1364" Score="0" Text="People tend, rightly or wrongly, to mark new questions as duplicates of old ones.  I liked your answer as it focuses on teaching the principles behind command line options.  However, this is a really common problem and most people looking for the solution would appreciate a [shorter answer](http://unix.stackexchange.com/a/1520/21281).  So I can see it either way." CreationDate="2013-08-21T14:46:30.413" UserId="21281" />
  <row Id="1951" PostId="1366" Score="1" Text="@xenoterracide: If you and the other mods _do_ need some help, don't hesitate to contact one of the community managers.  (Me, for instance. ;)  I completely agree with Gilles; it's nice to see a site running so smoothly." CreationDate="2013-08-21T16:22:27.967" UserId="21281" />
  <row Id="1952" PostId="1370" Score="0" Text="I disagree with you about the &quot;real question&quot;. I think the title is the real question. Alas, only the question asker could *answer* that." CreationDate="2013-08-21T19:40:07.383" UserId="1170" />
  <row Id="1953" PostId="184" Score="0" Text="@xenoterracide poking because I am interested in this but can't find more info: Did this actually happen? I mean taking a domain name? If not, why didn't it?" CreationDate="2013-08-22T22:49:13.437" UserId="20260" />
  <row Id="1954" PostId="1373" Score="0" Text="I agree, it's a useless tag!" CreationDate="2013-08-27T20:58:12.587" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="1955" PostId="1366" Score="3" Text="I agree with Gilles, this site is the most pleasant of all the SE sites I've frequented! Besides we have a very active community that does a lot of the care and feeding and there is rarely an issue that needs a moderators help." CreationDate="2013-08-27T21:08:13.297" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="1956" PostId="1375" Score="0" Text="The trouble I've seen is that each question is slightly different and people (my self included) will provide single solutions rather than a general one. But I think what you're saying is implement the &quot;ultimate&quot; transpose function in say `awk` and post it as an answer on one of the more general Q's and then reference the heck out it, no?" CreationDate="2013-08-27T21:12:24.890" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="1957" PostId="1375" Score="1" Text="@slm Yes. You can throw in implementations in other languages if you want, as long as you include the one(s) the question asked for" CreationDate="2013-08-28T15:02:52.767" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="1958" PostId="1371" Score="0" Text="Also: is it okay to [cross-post to other sites, such as Linux Mint forums](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/88003/mirror-displays-on-mint-15-login-screen#comment132507_88003)?" CreationDate="2013-08-30T03:52:04.023" UserId="37380" />
  <row Id="1959" PostId="1371" Score="0" Text="@WChargin Also, does your comment &quot;ask for clarification \[about] or add more information \[to]&quot; this question? It's an interesting question, but definitely belongs in a separate question (if it hasn't been asked already)." CreationDate="2013-08-30T12:10:39.850" UserId="2465" />
  <row Id="1960" PostId="1371" Score="0" Text="@WChargin of course it is, we don't want duplicate question on the stackexchange network, you are of course free to post to as many unaffiliated sites as you wish. If you get a good answer, come back to your question here and answer it yourself." CreationDate="2013-08-30T12:43:49.907" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="1961" PostId="1380" Score="1" Text="This is about the built-in scripting language used to configure, customize, and automate Emacs. This is not about just using Emacs to edit Lisp source code in general. (Emacs Lisp is the specific dialect of Lisp that Emacs embeds and in which significant portions of Emacs are coded. Even regular configuration files for Emacs are usually written in it.)" CreationDate="2013-09-04T04:17:00.437" UserId="11938" />
  <row Id="1962" PostId="1380" Score="0" Text="hmm, I see... I still question if this would be the correct spot for such questions. It seems these questions would be more niche than questions regarding how to fix a busted network config or something. Perhaps the SuperUser site would be better? -- There's way way too many StackExchange sites now - causing problems like this. Both SuperUser and this site could be merged - even though SU isn't necessarily *nix specific. Now we are going to split our resources and get worse quality answers imho." CreationDate="2013-09-04T15:06:08.527" UserId="34072" />
  <row Id="1963" PostId="1381" Score="2" Text="http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/89440/send-all-local-mail-to-a-single-external-e-mail?noredirect=1" CreationDate="2013-09-04T21:14:48.643" UserDisplayName="random" />
  <row Id="1964" PostId="1381" Score="1" Text="@random Thanks.  Damn auto-redirects." CreationDate="2013-09-04T21:15:09.503" UserDisplayName="Servy" />
  <row Id="1966" PostId="1381" Score="13" Text="Top tip: big bold text shouting *&quot;It is not a duplicate! I tried the solution it was supposed to be a duplicate of right above this very text and it DIT NOT WORK.&quot;* will usually not convince anyone to reopen your question. Constructively addressing it and providing actual information regarding the non-dupe nature might help." CreationDate="2013-09-04T21:19:04.567" UserDisplayName="Bart" />
  <row Id="1967" PostId="1381" Score="0" Text="Sorry you got hosed on that one.  It is a huge problem with our sites.  I don't have the rep on Unix to cast a re-open vote, so I could only give you an upvote.  When I'm closing as a dupe on other sites, I always look for comments left by the OP or others as to why it might not be a dupe.  Good Luck." CreationDate="2013-09-04T21:24:40.870" UserDisplayName="Lance Roberts" />
  <row Id="1968" PostId="1381" Score="7" Text="*I guess the site rewards closing too much* hmm actually there's no reward for closing questions." CreationDate="2013-09-04T21:26:40.203" UserDisplayName="Some Helpful Commenter" />
  <row Id="1969" PostId="1381" Score="2" Text="see http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/194476/someone-flagged-my-question-as-already-answered-but-its-not/194479#194479 (I will refrain from voting to close this as dupe because the irony of it tends to upset people)" CreationDate="2013-09-04T21:26:57.057" UserDisplayName="Kate Gregory" />
  <row Id="1970" PostId="1381" Score="1" Text="Stack overflow is aggressively moderated **by its users** to prevent it being yahoo answers" CreationDate="2013-09-04T21:26:58.410" UserDisplayName="Richard Tingle" />
  <row Id="1971" PostId="1381" Score="4" Text="@LanceRoberts Closing low quality questions and duplicates is a *problem*?!" CreationDate="2013-09-04T21:27:24.433" UserDisplayName="Doorknob" />
  <row Id="1972" PostId="1381" Score="0" Text="Also; on hold isnt permanent. It can be reopened as easily as it was put on hold" CreationDate="2013-09-04T21:29:33.967" UserDisplayName="Richard Tingle" />
  <row Id="1973" PostId="1381" Score="0" Text="@Doorknob, closing questions as dupes when they aren't is a huge problem.  I see many of them in the close and the reopen queue." CreationDate="2013-09-04T21:36:14.457" UserDisplayName="Lance Roberts" />
  <row Id="1974" PostId="1381" Score="6" Text="@LanceRoberts I see that you didn't bother to read the question in question either: you had the same knee-jerk reaction that you accuse the close voters of having. Technically, the proposed duplicate did ask the same question as Deleted's, but every answerer had focused on a part of the question that doesn't help Deleted but that the previous asker was satisfied with." CreationDate="2013-09-04T21:48:38.597" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="1976" PostId="1381" Score="1" Text="-1 Although the topic of closing legitimate questions is a good one for discussion, this post does not properly set the foundation for a meaningful discussion. It shows little effort in the body of the question, and the title is purely sensationalism." CreationDate="2013-09-04T22:07:25.007" UserDisplayName="Travis J" />
  <row Id="1978" PostId="1387" Score="1" Text="Addendum: don't cross-post, by the way. Pick the site which seems best." CreationDate="2013-09-06T19:17:00.537" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="1979" PostId="288" Score="0" Text="Hmm, In the last years, I've asked a couple of *BSD related questions. Not only most of them are never answered, but they never even get a lot of views. Maybe it does make sense making a board dedicated to *BSD..." CreationDate="2013-09-08T18:31:09.507" UserId="1290" />
  <row Id="1980" PostId="1389" Score="0" Text="Thanks I missed that change announcement. I still got the impression that the same things came up yesterday and today, I will keep an eye on that and report/complain when its seems inappropriate." CreationDate="2013-09-10T13:40:01.470" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="1981" PostId="1153" Score="0" Text="His picture is creeping me out..." CreationDate="2013-09-10T22:22:49.260" UserId="26981" />
  <row Id="2029" PostId="1384" Score="4" Text="Must… resist… temptation to create account named &quot;200_success&quot;…" CreationDate="2013-09-13T21:57:18.667" UserId="1294" />
  <row Id="2030" PostId="1397" Score="0" Text="Or you offer a bounty, so someone google the answer for you http://askubuntu.com/a/334532/169736" CreationDate="2013-09-14T02:59:29.857" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="2031" PostId="1398" Score="0" Text="Mod's superpowers (and 10 or 20K users) can get the pair for you (?), through maybe this question in the Community Bulletin could be desirable..." CreationDate="2013-09-14T03:01:27.870" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="2035" PostId="1398" Score="0" Text="@Braiam slk is the 3rd highest rep user here and has a good deal more than 10k :). As far as I know, only diamond mods can see deleted questions (at least, that's the case on SU where I have &gt;10k). 10k mods can see deleted answers, not questions. I don't have &gt;20 anywhere yet so I don't know if that august group can see deleted questions. In any case, the point here is a way of showing the deleted stuff o new users." CreationDate="2013-09-14T03:22:13.300" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2036" PostId="1398" Score="0" Text="@terdon I understand everything you have said (except the part where mods need also reputation, aren't they &quot;mods&quot;?), but one thing... just who is &quot;slk&quot;? I don't see him/her in the rank O_O" CreationDate="2013-09-14T03:29:39.680" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="2037" PostId="1398" Score="0" Text="Well, as I just said in chat, its late here, be gentle! I meant slm obviously :). As for mods, there are diamond mods (like [mattdm](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/users/2511/mattdm) for example) but by SE convention, users in the &gt;10 ad &gt;20 range are also called mods." CreationDate="2013-09-14T03:35:58.940" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2038" PostId="1398" Score="0" Text="@terdon - have access to tools in the review tab that i can go back to 30days of deletes, but no more." CreationDate="2013-09-14T03:37:39.047" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2039" PostId="1398" Score="0" Text="Yeah, I guess its the same I have over at SU but I can't _show_ them to anyone even I can see them myself, so that's no help." CreationDate="2013-09-14T03:47:39.460" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2040" PostId="1400" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the guidance. I spoke with Gilles earlier and he clued me in to this guy so I've been spreading the word to others as how to deal with him. We've been flagging his Q's as offensive or spam and then flagging them to be closed. I've been telling the others to close them as off-topic (leave a comment when selecting off-topic), and downvote them. Is there a better or more efficient way to help you expedite these?" CreationDate="2013-09-14T07:42:45.267" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2041" PostId="1400" Score="0" Text="I've also told the others to not edit or engage him at all in the comments. If any edits are done we've been just rolling them back so that it's more obvious it's one of his posts. They're easy to pick out once you see his pattern." CreationDate="2013-09-14T07:45:00.310" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2042" PostId="1396" Score="2" Text="+1 for the &quot;mark as community wiki&quot; tip.  I hadn't noticed we could do that.  I'll be happy to copy stuff over now sometimes rather than just pointing to a link." CreationDate="2013-09-14T12:42:34.560" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="2043" PostId="1402" Score="0" Text="I think OS / browser version may help here... (I can't emulate this on Win7 + FireFox 23)" CreationDate="2013-09-16T17:01:58.000" UserId="44072" />
  <row Id="2044" PostId="1402" Score="0" Text="I can't emulate on Debian Firefox 23.0.1 either. I'm also not 100% sure what the problem is. Could you post the entire screenshot? What is the difference between whatyou see in iceweasel and chrome? Is this about the `?` being slightly sliced?" CreationDate="2013-09-16T17:22:52.410" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2045" PostId="1402" Score="0" Text="Mmhh... weird, just now it was working when I changed the theme... seems like a bug between Iceweasel, the theme and the css... Lets see if I can work around." CreationDate="2013-09-16T17:29:21.887" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="2046" PostId="1402" Score="0" Text="@terdon I think is a bug of Firefox 25, can you replicate there?" CreationDate="2013-09-16T17:35:18.253" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="2047" PostId="1402" Score="0" Text="@Braiam don't really want to upgrade, this is my stable work machine." CreationDate="2013-09-16T17:38:08.713" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2048" PostId="1404" Score="0" Text="If I am understanding the resultset here correctly (Return comments where user A has commented on their own Q/A), this isn't quite what I was looking for. Put another way, I am interested in finding Q/A's that user A has contributed to (in any way) that user B has, also. Also, I notice that no matter what UserID I enter, the UserDisplayName field remains empty for every row." CreationDate="2013-09-17T01:40:14.467" UserId="18377" />
  <row Id="2049" PostId="1404" Score="0" Text="@user66001 Given a user ID, this shows all comments on posts that user wrote or commented on. I'm not sure what you're looking for if not that; do you want to limit it to comments by a particular user? I don't know what's up with UserDisplayName, it seems to just be empty most of the time; I'm not sure what it's for, it might only be filled when the user is deleted" CreationDate="2013-09-17T01:51:14.313" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="2050" PostId="1404" Score="0" Text="I am interested in finding Q/A's that user A has contributed to (in any way) that user B has, also. Also, what does the `AND UserId != ##UserId##;` line in the current version exclude?" CreationDate="2013-09-17T02:14:28.520" UserId="18377" />
  <row Id="2051" PostId="1404" Score="0" Text="@user66001 You mean [this](http://data.stackexchange.com/unix%20and%20linux/query/122341/where-did-i-meet-this-user)?" CreationDate="2013-09-17T04:47:28.147" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="2052" PostId="1404" Score="0" Text="This does seem to be it, however is missing stuff, but if it is, is missing stuff from ~11 hours ago. Should it be? Also, what does the `AND UserId != ##UserId##;` line in the first version exclude?" CreationDate="2013-09-17T05:19:17.890" UserId="18377" />
  <row Id="2053" PostId="1404" Score="0" Text="@user66001 It excludes comments posted by whichever user ID you specified; it was an attempt to exclude comments by yourself. That site doesn't show live data, it's usually a few days behind" CreationDate="2013-09-17T05:29:24.357" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="2054" PostId="1404" Score="0" Text="Thanks; I see; Perhaps you could put the query from http://data.stackexchange.com/unix%20and%20linux/query/122341/where-did-i-meet-this-user into your answer, instead, now?" CreationDate="2013-09-17T05:31:34.170" UserId="18377" />
  <row Id="2055" PostId="1407" Score="0" Text="Thanks. &quot;I guess you're looking for the parted magic isos.&quot; - Yes, they seem to have disappeared, however." CreationDate="2013-09-17T20:47:33.350" UserId="18377" />
  <row Id="2056" PostId="1408" Score="0" Text="Embarrassment would be a plausible enough scenario..." CreationDate="2013-09-18T07:15:29.227" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="2057" PostId="1408" Score="0" Text="@jasonwryan Why would they accept an answer if they intended to immediately delete it? As far as I know, you can't delete your own questions directly when you have answers." CreationDate="2013-09-18T10:20:07.280" UserId="10762" />
  <row Id="2058" PostId="1392" Score="0" Text="Are you getting any errors/exceptions in the JavaScript console or the network tab of the developer tools (F12)?" CreationDate="2013-09-18T10:59:11.500" UserId="32138" />
  <row Id="2059" PostId="1408" Score="0" Text="It was semi-humorous; *I* was embarrassed by the question..." CreationDate="2013-09-18T18:10:45.430" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="2060" PostId="275" Score="0" Text="Tastes Like Unix. Yummy. :-)" CreationDate="2013-09-19T01:43:10.097" UserId="47467" />
  <row Id="2062" PostId="1410" Score="1" Text="+1, I would also suggest adding [su] as well." CreationDate="2013-09-19T14:19:25.960" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2063" PostId="1410" Score="1" Text="@terdon - I've expanded the answer a bit, including AU and/or other SE sites into the mix, also I referenced the one Q I found on meta regarding SU. See the mod's answer regarding the logic behind why that site isn't in the mix. Not sure I agree but I get what he's saying." CreationDate="2013-09-19T14:23:48.380" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2064" PostId="1408" Score="0" Text="@terdon - I was just looking at it as well, it doesn't appear to be one from troll. I would assume that the OP deleted themselves as jasonwryan has indicated. Not sure how to confirm that though. The title was: &quot;How to ensure file is saved even if pc is turned off via power cord being un-plugged?&quot;" CreationDate="2013-09-19T14:27:48.503" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2065" PostId="1408" Score="1" Text="@slm I remember that one, I think it _was_ the troll." CreationDate="2013-09-19T14:29:08.940" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2066" PostId="1408" Score="0" Text="@terdon - yeah I wasn't on a lot yesterday but I don't even remember seeing that Q, so it was dealt with quickly." CreationDate="2013-09-19T14:29:50.430" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2069" PostId="1413" Score="0" Text="Understood, thanks for the quick &amp; thorough response!" CreationDate="2013-09-19T14:42:15.287" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2070" PostId="1414" Score="1" Text="Or you can add the distro to distrowatch, etc... etc..." CreationDate="2013-09-19T23:55:08.377" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="2071" PostId="1414" Score="6" Text="I don't see how there could be a problem if it's OS software." CreationDate="2013-09-19T23:55:10.470" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2072" PostId="1396" Score="1" Text="just FYI, &quot;last seen&quot; is per-site; if you check his &quot;last seen&quot; of his most active site, which is SO, it is actually in the last few days." CreationDate="2013-09-20T19:02:08.453" UserId="1989" />
  <row Id="2073" PostId="1396" Score="0" Text="@LieRyan good point, I could have just pinged him." CreationDate="2013-09-20T19:02:45.930" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2076" PostId="1416" Score="0" Text="Also thank for the link, I never knew about these types of games/problems before today!  http://meta.security.stackexchange.com/questions/1117/a-security-stackexchange-ctf-team" CreationDate="2013-09-21T00:43:10.560" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2077" PostId="1417" Score="0" Text="Thanks Gilles. I read up on a few more metas about [NSFW links](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/121312/197141) and along with the comments above, all should be clear now." CreationDate="2013-09-21T01:36:57.043" UserId="26076" />
  <row Id="2078" PostId="1418" Score="0" Text="You couldn't have picked a worse example than the “type grep for me” category. Frequently rephrased questions push away the rest and make for a depressing front page." CreationDate="2013-09-21T03:22:13.417" UserId="2729" />
  <row Id="2079" PostId="1418" Score="0" Text="I wasn't referring to the `grep` variety, I was referring to the `awk/sed` varieties, where people are trying to parse the text in various ways and sum up the columns or what not. They generally field the most answers per question." CreationDate="2013-09-21T03:27:08.777" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2080" PostId="1419" Score="0" Text="Well said! I'd like to add that we need to strike a balance between what is perceived as a high value Q&amp;A, and Q&amp;A's from real people trying to solve *their* problems. Often times it's difficult to derive any reuse out of a particular person's Q, since it's often very specific, almost too specific. I think we should welcome both types of Q &amp; A's, otherwise the site runs the risk of becoming nothing more than a glorified Wikipedia to a few museum piece questions, a homage to Unix, rather than a dynamic, growing, and thriving site." CreationDate="2013-09-21T03:48:11.843" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2081" PostId="1416" Score="0" Text="Someone mentioned codegolf, http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/, on another Q on U&amp;L. I was not aware of that SE site (in beta). Does it seem like this type of Q would be more suited to that site?" CreationDate="2013-09-21T05:10:23.053" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2082" PostId="1416" Score="0" Text="+1 for raising a good point. Wish I could give you another for the moties reference :)." CreationDate="2013-09-21T15:31:48.773" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2083" PostId="1420" Score="0" Text="Looking for setuid executables and for SSH keys lying around *are* repeatable penetration techniques. The thing is, the only relationship between them and the question is the particular way this exercise is set up. I don't see how to phrase the question in such a way that “look for setuid executables and unprotected SSH keys” would be the answer. “How do I penetrate a system?” would be far too broad, and the only way I can find to make it more specific is “how do I penetrate this particular system?” which is non-repeatable." CreationDate="2013-09-21T15:55:10.027" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="2084" PostId="1415" Score="0" Text="Thanks, that's what I felt. As for CW it may not be it's purpose, but its original purpose is [not really relevant](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2011/08/the-future-of-community-wiki/) any more and this is a useful side effect." CreationDate="2013-09-21T19:17:25.663" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2085" PostId="1416" Score="0" Text="We don't have a &quot;too localized&quot; close reason anymore :-(" CreationDate="2013-09-23T14:33:22.007" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="2086" PostId="1398" Score="0" Text="You should be able to grab them from the SE Data Explorer." CreationDate="2013-09-23T15:41:22.210" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="2087" PostId="1398" Score="0" Text="@derobert - seems like that should've been an answer rather than a comment?" CreationDate="2013-09-23T15:51:13.453" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2088" PostId="1422" Score="1" Text="Even though grub 1 is obsolete, it will be in production use for a while longer since RHEL5 uses it." CreationDate="2013-09-23T22:50:10.883" UserId="13796" />
  <row Id="2089" PostId="1422" Score="4" Text="Just rename everything to grub, the distinction isn't that useful and couldn't be made unambiguously with the existing two tags." CreationDate="2013-09-24T16:08:46.707" UserId="28276" />
  <row Id="2090" PostId="1397" Score="0" Text="I know this is old, but I also agree with this. It's not like SE points can be redeemed for cash prizes and if they're asking something so general that you can easily find it on another site, then the reposter is actually still providing the service the points (I'm supposing) are intended to incentivize. I don't know if it's really even required to cite the source since it's unlikely that the true author of an answer is going to be important or that plagiarism even hurts the original author at all. **tl;dr:** Duplicating work by requiring unique answers is pointless." CreationDate="2013-09-24T16:33:47.663" UserId="34520" />
  <row Id="2091" PostId="1422" Score="0" Text="On the issue of grub, couldn't `grub` just be re-purposed for `grub2` and a `grub1` tag created for the RHEL-based distros? If the feeling is that grub1 shouldn't be expected to be what people are going for as things progress. I think the distinction is very useful since there are important [differences between the two.](http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/legacy/grub.html#Future)" CreationDate="2013-09-24T17:01:58.100" UserId="34520" />
  <row Id="2093" PostId="1397" Score="0" Text="@JoelDavis - glad to see you back on the site, it's been a while 8-)" CreationDate="2013-09-24T17:36:50.877" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2094" PostId="1422" Score="1" Text="@Joel I don't find the split useful for subscription/highlighting purposes, and I wouldn't trust the version if the asker doesn't put it in plain text." CreationDate="2013-09-24T18:14:40.010" UserId="28276" />
  <row Id="2095" PostId="1425" Score="0" Text="The [canonical answer](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2011/01/the-wikipedia-of-long-tail-programming-questions/) link directs to an article from the StackOverflow blog; briefly, it's a handy reference &quot;How do I solve common problem X&quot; index." CreationDate="2013-09-25T05:37:11.667" UserId="10424" />
  <row Id="2096" PostId="1428" Score="0" Text="I was expecting to receive a down vote for this question... I asked this question only to draw attention at down votes without reason. ...So, what would you say if I will start now to down vote all of your questions because ...yes, &quot;*People can vote for whatever reason they like*&quot;?" CreationDate="2013-09-25T08:02:35.767" UserId="37944" />
  <row Id="2097" PostId="1429" Score="0" Text="Nice answer, thanks! I think it can help other users at the beginning. Vote up for the moment. Just one observation: only users with 125 rep or higher  can vote down and indicate when questions and answers are not useful." CreationDate="2013-09-25T08:13:44.900" UserId="37944" />
  <row Id="2098" PostId="1429" Score="0" Text="@RaduRădeanu - thanks, I meant to fact check that point and then forgot." CreationDate="2013-09-25T08:14:54.577" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2099" PostId="1428" Score="0" Text="@RaduRădeanu - I caution you to not use them as a weapon. They are a tool, and should be used as such. Obviously they are yours to do whatever you like with but, from my experience negativity gets negativity, whereas keeping things positive and moving forward is more productive for all parties involved." CreationDate="2013-09-25T08:16:53.320" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2100" PostId="1428" Score="3" Text="@RaduRădeanu No, that is the one thing which is forbidden: voting for the person instead of for the question. It would be equally forbidden for you to upvote all of my questions." CreationDate="2013-09-25T08:21:47.777" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="2101" PostId="1428" Score="0" Text="Yes, it is forbidden in case of serial voting. But not in the case when you give 2, 3 votes per day (far away from me to do so)." CreationDate="2013-09-25T10:25:37.617" UserId="37944" />
  <row Id="2102" PostId="1428" Score="3" Text="It is forbidden to vote based on the user no matter how slowly you do it. This is *automatically reversed* if you do it fast. If you do it more slowly, you may escape detection for a while, but if/when found out, you will incur the wrath of moderators and the votes will be invalidated." CreationDate="2013-09-25T10:43:15.120" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="2103" PostId="1425" Score="0" Text="@Andrew I saw the blog post, but SF seems to have awarded the phrase &quot;canonical question&quot; some higher meaning. The blog post just means &quot;write comprehensive answers so people don't need to keep asking&quot;; canonical questions aren't some separate type of question. I'm not sure what you mean by &quot;index&quot; either -- the Wikipedia-style giant list of canonical questions they have on meta seems pointless, if that's what you're talking about. There's no connection between canonical questions other than &quot;they have good answers&quot;; you might as well just read the top-voted answers on the site" CreationDate="2013-09-25T13:48:21.303" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="2104" PostId="1432" Score="3" Text="You make a good point. Still, some questions are simply plain off topic, what if someone asks about the best way for stringing a guitar? It would be nice to have a ready-made, polite and clear reason. I have often found myself voting to close as off topic and would have liked to include a link to the [help] or [on-topic](http://unix.stackexchange.com/help/on-topic) pages, explaining the scope of the site. Having that option in the close menu would be a help." CreationDate="2013-10-01T14:13:37.360" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2105" PostId="1432" Score="0" Text="Don't we already have a boilerplate about it not being within the site's scope? The top option on the second screen (it includes those links)." CreationDate="2013-10-01T17:08:17.383" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="2106" PostId="1432" Score="1" Text="Not unless it's a &gt;10k rep feature. The top option on the second screen after choosing off topic for me is what became of too localized: &quot;Questions describing a problem that can't be reproduced and seemingly went away on its own (or went away when a typo was fixed) are off-topic as they are unlikely to help future readers. &quot;" CreationDate="2013-10-01T17:14:28.137" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2108" PostId="1432" Score="0" Text="Nevermind: I only looked on Meta :( It's still *very* early here..." CreationDate="2013-10-01T17:17:29.297" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="2109" PostId="1432" Score="1" Text="Ah, perfect, that's the one I'd like to see on the main site." CreationDate="2013-10-01T17:18:59.407" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2110" PostId="1433" Score="6" Text="Linux is a Unix-like operating system. There are many many similarities between the two, many solutions will apply equally to both." CreationDate="2013-10-01T18:01:09.987" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2111" PostId="1433" Score="0" Text="Just because *some* questions can be relevant to both Unix and Linux, doesn't mean *all* questions about one apply equally to the other. I think it's clear that there is a lot of overlap." CreationDate="2013-10-01T20:44:06.963" UserId="1232" />
  <row Id="2112" PostId="1315" Score="0" Text="Emacs is great, but this logo is not well-known enough IMO to stand without a caption (title)." CreationDate="2013-10-01T21:34:25.753" UserId="9213" />
  <row Id="2113" PostId="1436" Score="4" Text="Kernel Panic would have been the best name IMO, but then they stopped doing fancy names." CreationDate="2013-10-01T22:04:44.360" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="2114" PostId="1436" Score="5" Text="Or we could have called it Largely compliant with POSIX operating systems and software that will run in that environment" CreationDate="2013-10-01T22:09:16.583" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="2115" PostId="1439" Score="0" Text="LOL. &quot;OMG&quot; Thanks Michael Mrozek! I have +2'd you, for the relatively more time you invested illustrating this point, and +1'd [this](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/61666/cant-click-ask-question-when-on-the-ask-a-question-page#comment146968_61673) very good point!!" CreationDate="2013-10-02T19:01:03.817" UserId="18377" />
  <row Id="2116" PostId="1315" Score="0" Text="@LarsH I don't really know how I could edit it such that it still *looks* good.  Besides, that's what the click-through is for." CreationDate="2013-10-03T15:43:31.937" UserId="28980" />
  <row Id="2117" PostId="1440" Score="6" Text="Have a look at http://stackapps.com/" CreationDate="2013-10-03T16:42:04.887" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2118" PostId="1440" Score="0" Text="Are you looking for something more than a web browser?" CreationDate="2013-10-03T17:21:10.750" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2119" PostId="1315" Score="0" Text="The click-through is for finding out what the logo refers to? I don't bother to click on logos I don't recognize. Maybe some people do. Wish I could help you on ideas for how to make a caption look good, but I'm not much of a designer." CreationDate="2013-10-03T18:58:18.523" UserId="9213" />
  <row Id="2120" PostId="1440" Score="0" Text="Actually, I seem to remember reading that the API does not offer write, access only read. I am not sure about this and may be wrong but I have also never seen a stackapp that let me post." CreationDate="2013-10-04T02:06:07.280" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2121" PostId="1432" Score="0" Text="So, are we getting a new &quot;Off-topic&quot; reason?" CreationDate="2013-10-04T22:50:18.357" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="2122" PostId="1432" Score="0" Text="@Braiam Tag it as a feature request and the site admins can decide based on their experience with other sites and our discussion here." CreationDate="2013-10-04T23:21:40.833" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="2123" PostId="1440" Score="0" Text="i need such as evoulution for reading pop3, or rading rss, Did stack develop SDK for writing same appl?" CreationDate="2013-10-05T10:36:16.157" UserId="21911" />
  <row Id="2124" PostId="1153" Score="1" Text="@msw In my opinion leaving it contextless leaves it kind of &quot;mystic&quot; -- I think that's probably the reason for the extremely elevated click rates on this advertisement, as well" CreationDate="2013-10-07T04:19:22.950" UserId="10762" />
  <row Id="2125" PostId="1445" Score="0" Text="idk, experienced users seem to do this on stackoverflow..." CreationDate="2013-10-09T15:22:30.563" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="2126" PostId="1445" Score="0" Text="@xenoterracide what exactly? commenting on things they don't understand?" CreationDate="2013-10-09T16:18:07.717" UserId="22886" />
  <row Id="2127" PostId="1445" Score="1" Text="basically, and things they have no expertise on." CreationDate="2013-10-09T16:24:07.153" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="2128" PostId="1445" Score="2" Text="example, recently someone (10k or 100k user forget which) commented don't make an API that allows transmitting SQL over XML, my question was about how to sanitize the SQL I had to send over XML... and clearly linking a product I didn't create. The guy got +1 on his comment. The reason they make these comments, IMO, is so that they can get drive by +1s which will eventually give them lots of points." CreationDate="2013-10-09T16:29:19.697" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="2129" PostId="1315" Score="0" Text="Sorry, edited your post by mistake. @LarsH how about [this](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/a/1447/22222)?" CreationDate="2013-10-10T05:43:09.713" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2130" PostId="1447" Score="0" Text="Posted this version of the emacs logo since it mentions the name." CreationDate="2013-10-10T05:43:58.360" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2131" PostId="1447" Score="0" Text="I forgot about this one!" CreationDate="2013-10-10T13:17:38.887" UserId="28980" />
  <row Id="2132" PostId="1417" Score="0" Text="Of course, also consider the possibility that such a link may become useless even more quickly than most links to more static resources such as web pages." CreationDate="2013-10-11T11:21:53.673" UserId="2465" />
  <row Id="2133" PostId="1449" Score="0" Text="One could use flagging, but that would only go after the moderators, I believe. Normal user wouldn't notice it (or would just see a flag somewhere)." CreationDate="2013-10-11T11:46:07.073" UserId="22886" />
  <row Id="2134" PostId="1449" Score="1" Text="We should be able to flag it to attract other users' attention." CreationDate="2013-10-11T12:14:14.743" UserId="4098" />
  <row Id="2135" PostId="1446" Score="1" Text="I like this, with the caveat that comments are second-class citizens. therefore, I'm not entirely sure that commenting is the right way to record why the question's wrong. I'm not entirely sure there's a &quot;right&quot; answer to this, though." CreationDate="2013-10-11T23:18:40.103" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2136" PostId="1434" Score="2" Text="note: GNU's Not UNIX! also, what is SVR?" CreationDate="2013-10-11T23:26:17.780" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2137" PostId="1433" Score="0" Text="see also http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/4091/is-linux-a-unix" CreationDate="2013-10-11T23:27:48.583" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2138" PostId="1445" Score="3" Text="@xenoterracide how do you get points from comments?" CreationDate="2013-10-12T14:39:03.287" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2139" PostId="1449" Score="2" Text="@rahmu you can sort of do that in chat. Just post a question's URL in the [chat] room and explain your issue with it and people will see it." CreationDate="2013-10-12T14:40:45.793" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2140" PostId="1453" Score="3" Text="I think it's worthwhile being somewhat more specific since an amazing number of folks are ignorant about Linux/UNIX/BSD.  I've run into too many folks who think the BSDs are just other Linux distributions.  And &quot;Everything is Linux&quot; has become the new &quot;Everything is a VAX&quot;.  And as an OpenBSD guy, calling out all the BSDs by saying &quot;the BSDs&quot; would make me happy." CreationDate="2013-10-12T15:43:33.950" UserId="48626" />
  <row Id="2141" PostId="1453" Score="1" Text="@kurtm I don't see any reason to explicitly include any *nix, Unix and Unix-like covers everything, including BSDs. Mentioning Linux makes sense since there are actually newbie Linux users who might not know what `*nix` or `Unix-like` means. I really doubt there are *BSD users who don't." CreationDate="2013-10-12T15:46:41.720" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2142" PostId="1453" Score="0" Text="Yes, but I was thinking more for the folks who don't know the others are out there.  Getting some of the Linux folks to say &quot;the BSDs?  What are they?&quot;  But also, I *have* met folks who know about FreeBSD who don't know about the others." CreationDate="2013-10-12T15:51:00.073" UserId="48626" />
  <row Id="2143" PostId="1453" Score="2" Text="+1 for @kurtm. I would argue that we might as well mention the BSDs, as there are (potential) benefits but little drawback. It's not like the sentence is a run-on, and &quot;UNIX, Linux and other UNIX-like systems&quot; seems like too awkward a construct to me. Maybe that's just me, though." CreationDate="2013-10-12T16:56:41.823" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2144" PostId="1445" Score="0" Text="@terdon maybe I'm wrong and  you don't get any points from having people +1 your comments. (maybe it used to be a thing and isn't now)" CreationDate="2013-10-12T17:11:17.927" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="2145" PostId="1445" Score="2" Text="You don't get to be wrong, you're a mod! No, [comments don't give rep](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/296/203101)." CreationDate="2013-10-12T17:16:17.853" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2146" PostId="1454" Score="1" Text="This seems like the last sentence of a paragraph; without the rest of it I don't really know what you're talking about" CreationDate="2013-10-13T19:56:52.037" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="2147" PostId="1454" Score="0" Text="@MichaelMrozek if you check the previous comment to the link provided the context would be clear. of course I would be more elaborate if it is on topic here." CreationDate="2013-10-13T20:05:10.510" UserId="20447" />
  <row Id="2148" PostId="1454" Score="0" Text="Oh, thanks; I didn't notice the link the first time" CreationDate="2013-10-13T20:33:19.503" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="2149" PostId="1455" Score="0" Text="http://unix.stackexchange.com/q/95896/20447" CreationDate="2013-10-13T20:57:24.297" UserId="20447" />
  <row Id="2150" PostId="1456" Score="0" Text="askubuntu does not encourage questions on OSes based on ubuntu but outside [the Ubuntu officially supported derivatives](http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/derivatives) - also [here](http://meta.askubuntu.com/q/684/47206) and [here](http://meta.askubuntu.com/q/5877/47206). so, U&amp;L remains the main option" CreationDate="2013-10-14T14:03:34.750" UserDisplayName="user32012" />
  <row Id="2151" PostId="1456" Score="0" Text="Oh. I wasn't aware of these. Although after reading the answers on the links provided, I understand why they may not want to entertain such questions. In such a case, please go ahead! U&amp;L welcomes everyone!" CreationDate="2013-10-14T15:41:51.350" UserId="21183" />
  <row Id="2152" PostId="1445" Score="3" Text="@xenoterracide : I think there are significant numbers of people on S.O. that have accumulated rep from simple but **canonical** questions answered years ago -- a negative consequence of the S.E. system is that it is sort of a *pyramid scheme* in this sense.  Que sera sera.  So I'd agree with what I think is your main point: a dumb answer/comment is a dumb *no matter what the rep of the person who wrote it.*" CreationDate="2013-10-14T19:51:48.003" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="2153" PostId="1446" Score="1" Text="+1 @strugee : Seems to me comments and answers are apples and oranges -- after all, if you can add a comment, you can add an answer, so you are not in a &quot;second class&quot;.  Just your answer shouldn't simply be a refutation of someone else's.  I pay attention to comments and if someone says, &quot;Hey this is wrong&quot; and the main author refutes that or fails to correct and I agree with the critical comment, I'll re-enforce it with my own.  Given time, &quot;the truth will out&quot; for the most part; people can and do delete answers." CreationDate="2013-10-14T20:00:12.150" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="2154" PostId="1445" Score="0" Text="@goldilocks the pyramidal effect is not exclusive to SO (although it is manifested there the most, due to its extremely high traffic) - many of U&amp;L 10k+ users have gained lots of reputation for answers to rather generic questions. Which is perfectly ok, since the answers (at least those that I saw) are really good. The trouble I actually feel with U&amp;L is, that the lower traffic means generally less votes (in both directions), which means 1) coarser resolution on the good-bad answer scale, and 2) less feedback (especially for the authors of bad answers)." CreationDate="2013-10-14T20:33:12.487" UserId="22886" />
  <row Id="2155" PostId="1445" Score="2" Text="Actually I wrote that about the S.*E*. system, which includes U&amp;L.  Just the empirical observation was about S.O. because I think the consequences are more apparent on the oldest and biggest site.  S.O. has become too big and would benefit from being broken down more.  If questions were more aggressively migrated *to* U&amp;L from SO, U&amp;L might gain enough traffic to reduce some of the problems you observe here -- but keep in mind more votes is not necessarily more better votes. The pace on S.O. doesn't always seem beneficial to me; too many half-assed answers get upvoted too fast." CreationDate="2013-10-14T20:50:55.263" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="2156" PostId="626" Score="0" Text="My answer is now completely obsolete, please unaccept it so I can delete it and accept Michael's answer instead." CreationDate="2013-10-15T11:29:09.987" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="2157" PostId="1445" Score="0" Text="I agree, wish they'd migrate aggressively... (ok so comments to give rep, then I wish we could downvote the shit out of them)" CreationDate="2013-10-15T19:29:50.593" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="2158" PostId="1461" Score="8" Text="If it's a linux derivative I don't see any problem..." CreationDate="2013-10-16T01:59:00.983" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="2159" PostId="1461" Score="3" Text="sounds fine to me" CreationDate="2013-10-16T03:10:08.157" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="2160" PostId="1459" Score="0" Text="OT: _Maybe the game point system encourages this_ ← of course it does. The whole point of the game point system is to encourage content creation, priming quantity over quality. OTOH, meta, votes to close, moderation tools, moderators, etc... are about ensuring quality. It's about finding good points of equilibrium in this complex system." CreationDate="2013-10-16T11:18:50.970" UserId="1987" />
  <row Id="2161" PostId="1459" Score="1" Text="@ninjalj the game point system encourages quality, not quantity. Adding content does not get you rep, adding _good_ content does. Adding bad content costs you rep since people will downvote." CreationDate="2013-10-16T12:35:55.263" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2162" PostId="1460" Score="0" Text="Should we perhaps be editing titles in those cases to reflect what the post is really about?" CreationDate="2013-10-16T13:45:13.653" UserId="48626" />
  <row Id="2163" PostId="1459" Score="1" Text="@terdon I think it does both, although it is more effective at encouraging quality, which makes it worthwhile. But people do play it in ways that perhaps short circuit the &quot;quality over quantity&quot; intent. Eg., it seems to be SOP for many people on some busy S.O. tags to jump in with a quick, ambiguous sentence ASAP that amazingly bags them points while they edit in a bit at time -- in the end sometimes it is a good answer and sometimes it isn't, but nobody comes back to check their vote, and nobody bothers to add anything better because they can see the votes have moved on already." CreationDate="2013-10-16T14:24:07.250" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="2164" PostId="1459" Score="1" Text="@goldilocks yeah, SO is kinda different, true. There it seems that speed is valued over both quality and quantity. Go figure." CreationDate="2013-10-16T14:26:26.703" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2165" PostId="1459" Score="0" Text="People get excited when they know the answer to something and will upvote things that scan correctly *if you already know the answer*, but probably fail to help the OP -- and since stuff like that is easier to hammer out, people will favour speed of response over quality of response because they know the early bird gets the worms." CreationDate="2013-10-16T14:26:46.793" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="2166" PostId="1460" Score="0" Text="@kurtm Hmm, well, the title is correct. It admits other interpretations, because it's a matter of degree. You don't go the same way if you want to inject a few preinstalled packages and set up a few configuration values (like in that Debian-based distro question), or if you want to make a completely different distribution that includes Debian packages (like Ubuntu). Nonetheless I've given a stab at a better title." CreationDate="2013-10-16T17:37:29.583" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="2167" PostId="1460" Score="0" Text="That does state it better.  I realize it's not easy, but when someone says &quot;This one, but the title is really unrelated&quot;, I think &quot;Why?  We can edit that.&quot;" CreationDate="2013-10-16T17:55:12.937" UserId="48626" />
  <row Id="2168" PostId="1436" Score="1" Text="UNIX is an operating system, originally from AT&amp;T Bell Laboratories, later sold to Novell. Wikipedia a [history of Unix](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Unix) that explains fairly well." CreationDate="2013-10-17T13:44:06.927" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="2169" PostId="1465" Score="0" Text="OK Thansks. I don't really know how SE works besides questions/answers/comments/accept and basic rep." CreationDate="2013-10-17T21:57:19.043" UserId="20687" />
  <row Id="2170" PostId="1466" Score="0" Text="Thanks, it's looking good now." CreationDate="2013-10-18T17:14:49.107" UserId="20687" />
  <row Id="2171" PostId="1461" Score="2" Text="I love this, but I want to make sure it doesn't turn into Ask Ubuntu (where questions with &quot;meat&quot; are way overrun with newbie questions that may be poorly formulated, misguided, super localized, etc). I suspect this won't be a problem (since I'm assuming that the Whonix userbase is relatively small, at least compared to Ubuntu), but I just want to mention it." CreationDate="2013-10-18T20:36:22.967" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2172" PostId="1467" Score="0" Text="We might as well replace &quot;Linux&quot; with &quot;Ubuntu&quot;, if you see it that way..." CreationDate="2013-10-20T14:20:59.223" UserId="33094" />
  <row Id="2173" PostId="1469" Score="0" Text="Thanks Michael, I couldn't find it when I searched." CreationDate="2013-10-20T20:40:01.260" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2174" PostId="1472" Score="1" Text="I'll just mention that the tag in the title is entirely for SEO purposes, it's not really expected to be useful for users" CreationDate="2013-10-20T22:24:38.203" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="2175" PostId="565" Score="0" Text="Agree with Gilles. The example with Apple on apple.se is not the same. Single site, single subject, tag blacklisted :)" CreationDate="2013-10-20T22:33:47.000" UserId="18377" />
  <row Id="2176" PostId="1472" Score="0" Text="Ah. 1) Would be good if it was for both, 2) Is the distro not found to be as important as the subject with the most followers, 3) If it is to stay for SEO uses, I wonder if there is some JS to remove it from the HTML title." CreationDate="2013-10-20T22:40:11.990" UserId="18377" />
  <row Id="2177" PostId="1475" Score="0" Text="Of course. I find it hard to figure out where rules that apply to all/most/a subset/etc of sites reside. Pity there isn't some othrr coding that can be done to address this single issue, rather than a blanket rule that affect legitimate edits by ?99%? of the rest of us... Something like rolling back x number of edits, or putting them in a review queue if a user goes inactive for a time/deletes their account/etc." CreationDate="2013-10-20T22:57:36.553" UserId="18377" />
  <row Id="2178" PostId="1475" Score="1" Text="@user66001 We could always roll them back, but that's a lot of work if the user goes and destroys hundreds of posts. The problem is there are few valid reasons to be editing dozens of your posts at once; adding a new tag is one of the only cases I can think of" CreationDate="2013-10-20T23:05:45.757" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="2179" PostId="1476" Score="0" Text="Ah. Interesting. If this is the intention, then the text in the URL that I *had* in my question should probably be changed also, for those who look at this sort of thing. Hopefully more correct England (Intended) grammar will be implemented sometime soon." CreationDate="2013-10-20T23:06:57.510" UserId="18377" />
  <row Id="2180" PostId="1475" Score="1" Text="Sorry, was suggesting the roll backs could be automated. Anyways, if this is [tag:status-bydesign], do I have to keep these questions open for a full 24 hours (I use tabs to remind me to do things).?" CreationDate="2013-10-20T23:10:05.730" UserId="18377" />
  <row Id="2181" PostId="1481" Score="8" Text="+1 Except for chronic repeat offenders: then your edit summary can be a little more pointed..." CreationDate="2013-10-21T06:07:26.680" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="2182" PostId="1481" Score="10" Text="This. It's what the &quot;edit&quot; link is for, after all." CreationDate="2013-10-21T12:55:56.963" UserId="2465" />
  <row Id="2183" PostId="1478" Score="1" Text="What would be the point apart from creating unnecessary work for the devs? Why would you care about the tag order, does it affect anything?" CreationDate="2013-10-21T17:16:08.470" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2184" PostId="1478" Score="0" Text="Interesting comment... Not sure why someone would write up a question, unless they cared about something. I care because a problem with [/windows /timezone /parted-magic /rdesktop](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/78614/custom-linux-timezone), can be considered different from a problem with `/`[tag:parted-magic] `/`[tag:rdesktop] `/`[tag:timezone] `/`[tag:windows]" CreationDate="2013-10-21T21:47:21.303" UserId="18377" />
  <row Id="2185" PostId="1479" Score="0" Text="Ah, hover over them going from left-to-right, on most sub-sites, to see where I get my impression from. I can see other uses for them, that I don't think breaks existing known-to-me functionality (Why not?), hence the suggestion." CreationDate="2013-10-21T21:49:37.237" UserId="18377" />
  <row Id="2186" PostId="1478" Score="0" Text="Yes, apparently you care but I don't see how it makes a difference, so I don't understand _why_ you care, that's why I asked. Why the snarky tone? I'm trying to understand what you are asking to see if I can help. Anyway, I still don't understand how the order of the tags affects anything. As far as I can tell the tags are sorted in the order you added them in. Newer tags on the right, first tag added on the left. There is no implied hierarchy in the tags, they are all equal, so their order does not carry any meaning. I therefore ask again, why do you care what order the tags are in?" CreationDate="2013-10-21T22:00:51.690" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2187" PostId="1478" Score="0" Text="I know ?we? have had this issue before, but wasn't thinking snarky/sarcastic (What, after re-reading my comment, first comes to mind, as being the most likely tone, without any in-person cue's) when wrote my reply, I just thought it was a logical deduction. Perhaps we can ignore the perceived tone going forward, and just address the Q&amp;A instead?" CreationDate="2013-10-21T22:15:05.437" UserId="18377" />
  <row Id="2188" PostId="1478" Score="0" Text="Happily. I still don't understand what makes you think that the order of the tags is informative. As far as I can tell (I just tested on an old question of mine) tags are kept in the order you put them in, there is no rearrangement occurring. Even if they were rearranged however, the order does not imply importance so I still don't understand what you're asking for here. You _seem_ to be asking that the tags be left in the order you chose for them which is what already happens by default. I am honestly not trying to be difficult here, I just don't understand what you're asking for or why." CreationDate="2013-10-21T22:20:26.220" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2190" PostId="1478" Score="0" Text="I am not sure if I can better explain the principle, than my last comments on the issue, perhaps if you think about (in that example) which OS is connecting to the other (forgetting the subject matter of the sub-site this question was posted on, for principle realization). However, I have just realised I made a mistake in what metric tags are ordered by (at least for me)... It is [how popular the tags are](http://i.imgur.com/UkNjMHj.png) / http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/97045 (This makes sense now, after getting more sleep last night)" CreationDate="2013-10-21T22:47:34.207" UserId="18377" />
  <row Id="2191" PostId="1478" Score="0" Text="So, you're saying that you add tags A,B,C and these are rearranged into B,C,A in order of tag popularity? I haven't noticed that but perhaps it does happen. What both slm in his answer and I are saying is that it doesn't matter. Nobody looks at the order of the tags, there is no hierarchy involved so it really does not matter." CreationDate="2013-10-21T22:49:33.087" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2193" PostId="1478" Score="0" Text="Not sure if you saw it, but there was a screenshot embedded in &quot;how popular the tags are&quot;, that shows what order I put them in prior to submitting the question. &quot;Doesn't matter&quot; is rather subjective, and it brings me back to my &quot;Not sure why someone would write up a question, unless they cared about something&quot;. I do appreciate you speaking for me (and possibly many other community members), but *I* (for one) *look at this*, as clues to tell what the asker is, well, asking." CreationDate="2013-10-21T23:14:38.663" UserId="18377" />
  <row Id="2194" PostId="1478" Score="0" Text="Also, per my question, if there are some that don't notice the order, but some that do, unless there is some overbearing disadvantage, why not do it for those that it matters to?" CreationDate="2013-10-21T23:15:05.747" UserId="18377" />
  <row Id="2195" PostId="1486" Score="0" Text="I like your point about high quantities of low-quality information on the internet generally." CreationDate="2013-10-22T15:33:27.123" UserId="22886" />
  <row Id="2196" PostId="1445" Score="0" Text="@goldilocks &quot;So I'd agree with what I think is your main point: a dumb answer/comment is a dumb no matter what the rep of the person who wrote it.&quot; -- Well it seems we agree on something!" CreationDate="2013-10-22T18:36:08.547" UserId="49422" />
  <row Id="2197" PostId="1449" Score="0" Text="@rahmu - use the chat room to help facilitate any down or up voting of answers." CreationDate="2013-10-22T20:44:04.307" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2198" PostId="1467" Score="0" Text="@Jop Ubuntu is a distribution, FreeBSD is an OS." CreationDate="2013-10-23T15:58:49.330" UserId="43210" />
  <row Id="2199" PostId="1467" Score="2" Text="@SlavenRezic The difference isn't absolute. FreeBSD is a distribution as well, and Ubuntu can be called an OS." CreationDate="2013-10-23T16:07:24.367" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="2200" PostId="1481" Score="3" Text="I love the fact that the community actually edits each others posts. It makes sense to do so as it helps to show what the question actually is." CreationDate="2013-10-23T16:23:49.267" UserId="20605" />
  <row Id="2204" PostId="1492" Score="0" Text="Didn't realise this... Thanks for the link. However, I notice that I have a different reputation on http://meta.unix.stackoverflow.com, than I have on http://meta.stackoverflow.com (Latter is far larger). I can sort of understand the thinking that a reputation tab on the profile page of per-site meta's is not needed (Though I don't agree... Would save some clicks), but only if the reputation is shared, which it appears it isn't." CreationDate="2013-10-23T17:53:05.600" UserId="18377" />
  <row Id="2205" PostId="1492" Score="0" Text="@user66001 You share per-site meta reputation with the corresponding parent site. E.g. here, your [main Unix and Linux account](http://unix.stackexchange.com/users/18377/user66001) shares rep with your [meta Unix and Linux account](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/users/18377/user66001), so that you get privileges on a site's meta just by participating on the main site. If you go on meta Super User, you'll have the same rep you have on main Super User, etc." CreationDate="2013-10-23T18:03:48.943" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="2206" PostId="1492" Score="0" Text="Oh, that parent :) So guess my comments about saving clicks, by having both meta and sub-site parent with links to the same rep page, is all that is left." CreationDate="2013-10-23T18:46:33.337" UserId="18377" />
  <row Id="2207" PostId="1493" Score="0" Text="What specifically was this Q about? Perhaps it was migrated to another SE site or deleted?" CreationDate="2013-10-25T04:10:30.707" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2208" PostId="1493" Score="0" Text="Looked thru the last 30 days worth of deleted Q's and didn't see any about Perl. If you give me more info I can try and find out what happened." CreationDate="2013-10-25T04:20:08.377" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2209" PostId="1493" Score="0" Text="Was it this Q? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18469686/how-to-split-files-using-perl" CreationDate="2013-10-25T04:35:42.870" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2210" PostId="1494" Score="0" Text="Oh!! Yes I checked this earlier but missed clicking `recent deleted posts`. I hope all my posts should be available always there so that there is no need to copy it on my system?" CreationDate="2013-10-25T09:12:41.627" UserId="46723" />
  <row Id="2211" PostId="1495" Score="0" Text="Yes, that's the one! Thanks a lot!" CreationDate="2013-10-25T09:13:03.630" UserId="46723" />
  <row Id="2212" PostId="1495" Score="0" Text="Seriously I have an issue. I had been searching for good materials for understanding packages/namespaces in perl. But the docs/links aren't able to clarify this concept. It seems it assumes some knowledge of package/namespace already. But for me who is the 1st time learner of package, the docs fails to clear the fundamental from scratch. 1st I went through `modern perl` to understand package but it was not from basics and seemed to be a bit advanced. So, I went to `perl for begineers` book but here also the same issue. What sort of books are these that can't clear the fundamentals from scratch" CreationDate="2013-10-25T14:54:46.537" UserId="46723" />
  <row Id="2213" PostId="1495" Score="0" Text="@Ravi I have no idea, I don't know Perl, and this isn't really the place to try and explain it if I did. If you can come up with a specific question about Perl, feel free to post it; if you're just looking for a tutorial, Perl is pretty old, so I imagine that googling your issue will find tons of them" CreationDate="2013-10-25T21:29:57.043" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="2214" PostId="1481" Score="0" Text="If I was the &quot;new user&quot; you were referring to, I would much rather accept such correction anytime than some other users unsatisfied with my grammar and not just restricting themselves to the mere correction of minor bits and pieces, but rewriting almost the whole article. I have already observed such things, and sometimes it felt close to presumptuous...That user who did all the rewriting could really be glad SE does not provide a PM option, since otherwise I would have given him a short telling-off :)" CreationDate="2013-10-26T02:02:40.003" UserId="22858" />
  <row Id="2215" PostId="1495" Score="0" Text="Just one thing I would like to add to my last comment above that the physical text books which I purchase and read are so nicely explained that once you read chapter 1 , the next chapter would be clear automatically and so on. It's too interesting to read physical books. But these online books mentioned aren't made that way. If you read a chapter, some terms would be such which had never appeared earlier. So, I have to search that term. Now, to understand this term, I need to understand other terms and finally I would find that I am only wandering, that's all! Also addressing @goldilocks" CreationDate="2013-10-26T03:41:02.337" UserId="46723" />
  <row Id="2216" PostId="1495" Score="0" Text="@Mat As Mat has assisted in the materials, I am addressing him also the above comments." CreationDate="2013-10-26T03:42:41.450" UserId="46723" />
  <row Id="2217" PostId="1481" Score="0" Text="the @syntaxerror 's are to be corrected, tho &gt;:)" CreationDate="2013-10-27T12:32:48.020" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="2218" PostId="1352" Score="6" Text="I find it ironic that OP hasn't accepted this answer." CreationDate="2013-10-28T00:08:35.253" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2219" PostId="1498" Score="3" Text="One can only earn a relatively small amount of reputation from edits. And it doesn't really seem all that awful, even if it would be nicer if edits were more substantial. But it seems to make you _really_ upset, with some really strong words like &quot;repulsive&quot; and &quot;enraging&quot;. Maybe... Relax a little bit?" CreationDate="2013-11-02T19:37:56.163" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="2220" PostId="1499" Score="0" Text="Value!? It's more like censorship!" CreationDate="2013-11-02T21:38:45.427" UserId="45907" />
  <row Id="2221" PostId="1499" Score="3" Text="@JMCF125 - are you joking? How does it even effect you? So should we lock him up in prison for breaking the SE law? Let it go, find a Q that needs answering and focus on that, this is a waste of your energy and enthusiasm." CreationDate="2013-11-02T21:42:43.513" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2222" PostId="1498" Score="0" Text="@mattdm, well... I already dislike removing greetings even if something else is added (in fact I made [a question on meta](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/186173/why-cant-i-greet-you)). But I guess you're right, it did come out a little stronger than I intended to..." CreationDate="2013-11-02T21:44:53.493" UserId="45907" />
  <row Id="2223" PostId="1499" Score="0" Text="Come on! It's not value, for god's sake! I'm just trying to make a point. And I'd answer a question if I could, but either I don't know, or it already answered way better than anything I'd write." CreationDate="2013-11-02T22:08:44.787" UserId="45907" />
  <row Id="2224" PostId="1499" Score="0" Text="@JMCF125 - Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Well we could let it go and work on your Q instead. There are many ways to participate on the site, answering is one. Asking Q's is another. So would you prosecute every jaywalker too? 8-). Maybe he can't answer Q's either and this is his way of &quot;participating&quot;? 8-). Let's let it go, bigger fish to fry my friend." CreationDate="2013-11-02T22:17:37.797" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2225" PostId="1498" Score="5" Text="@JMCF125 - I for one hate greetings and like them removed. This isn't a forum. Say hi in the chatroom." CreationDate="2013-11-02T22:19:55.497" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2226" PostId="1499" Score="0" Text="And he can't ask as well? I have trouble believing that. What kind of contribution is his?" CreationDate="2013-11-02T22:24:30.240" UserId="45907" />
  <row Id="2227" PostId="1498" Score="1" Text="@slm, well I'm not forcing you to greet me, am I? Nor should I. Still, you do force me to do the opposite. Am I suppose to believe that's OK?" CreationDate="2013-11-02T22:27:14.990" UserId="45907" />
  <row Id="2228" PostId="1498" Score="0" Text="@JMCF125 - wow, you're killing me. As the OP it's your prerogative to role back an edit that takes your precious greetings out. But someone else will likely remove them down the road too, so I think you're in the minority here, and the last time I checked the SE site's don't have a House of Representatives and a Congress to make sure the smaller states have equal representation. Sorry it's just one of those things that's best to let go." CreationDate="2013-11-02T22:31:13.537" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2229" PostId="1499" Score="0" Text="@JMCF125 - he's not grinding me with this Q! 8-). What other technology Q's do you have, load up the site with them, I'd love to help you with that stuff." CreationDate="2013-11-02T22:32:05.293" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2230" PostId="1498" Score="0" Text="@slm, sorry, I don't mean to be annoying, I already let it go." CreationDate="2013-11-02T22:34:27.670" UserId="45907" />
  <row Id="2231" PostId="1498" Score="1" Text="@JMCF125 - you're not annoying, just persistent. 8-). Let's work on the trap Q instead. Think 1/2 full in times like these! BTW, notice I didn't remove your &quot;Hi Fellows&quot;." CreationDate="2013-11-02T22:39:10.547" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2232" PostId="1499" Score="0" Text="Alright, I always try to make good questions, not simply questions that solve my problem." CreationDate="2013-11-02T22:48:28.397" UserId="45907" />
  <row Id="2233" PostId="1498" Score="0" Text="@slm, thanks. That would be too ironic. `:)`" CreationDate="2013-11-03T13:34:10.013" UserId="45907" />
  <row Id="2234" PostId="1500" Score="0" Text="My reaction has nothing wrong. And what «emotive language»? «The user (whoever they are) deserves the reputation for their contribution.» - no, he doesn't. The system is wrong, my point. «Rather than rush to judgement, (...)» - that whole paragraph is just wrong. Who said I didn't accept «that the strength of this site and the community it fosters is dependent upon a diverse group of people»? I'm saying the behaviour is not only not an example of of that, as a counter-example. Removing greetings is not a skill." CreationDate="2013-11-03T13:44:52.633" UserId="45907" />
  <row Id="2235" PostId="1500" Score="0" Text="@JMCF125 - removing greetings takes &quot;some&quot; skill and this is to Jason's point. There are many roles to play on a team. Is the kicker on an (American) football team not part of the team b/c they only marginally effect the outcome of the game? Also realize that the internet has many communities and they all work in slightly different ways. This is how the SE sites work (like it or hate it) perhaps if it's that annoying to you then perhaps the SE sites isn't the best place for you to spend your time? I'd hate to see anyone leave but this becomes unproductive after a time." CreationDate="2013-11-03T13:54:53.830" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2236" PostId="1500" Score="0" Text="@slm, sorry, I don't really get that reference. Just to add that this is not how SE sites work: it's how low-context cultures work (there's an answer on Area51 mentioning it, but I can't find it now). The point is, in other languages, it would be (and is) different." CreationDate="2013-11-03T14:01:19.617" UserId="45907" />
  <row Id="2237" PostId="1500" Score="1" Text="@JMCF125 - what do languages have to do with it? I just read your profile and now understand you better. All I can offer you is advice. Coexisting with others is the most productive way to live. Is it easy? No, compromising never is, but I wouldn't be too high brow about myself either. Every day ppl ask questions on this site and me with a rank of almost 40K learns many new things that I did not know before. These questions push me to gain new insights and new understandings on things that I didn't know before. All b/c ppl ask Q's and I'm willing to research and educate myself on these things." CreationDate="2013-11-03T14:06:33.217" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2238" PostId="1500" Score="0" Text="@slm, I'll try to find that answer on Area51, and you'll get it." CreationDate="2013-11-03T14:10:45.650" UserId="45907" />
  <row Id="2239" PostId="1500" Score="1" Text="@JMCF125 - (continued form above) - that is the proposition that is offered to you to participate in a constructive manner on this site vs. not. You'll do as you wish as boundless others have before and after you, but fixating on this one single thing is wasteful of your obvious energies and enthusiasm. Why not post Q's about how you made your SVG flag and then provide the answer showing how? That is the different path I'm trying to help you see." CreationDate="2013-11-03T14:13:53.597" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2240" PostId="1500" Score="0" Text="@slm, found [it](http://discuss.area51.stackexchange.com/questions/3986/are-stack-overflow-in-language-x-proposals-actually-viable#answer-5233)! (you should also read the question though) And alright, as I said, I have already let it go; it just seemed something I just note you at the time. To do the SVG flag, I simply opened Notepad++ (back when I used Windows) and started writing according to the W3C spec, making the calculations to know where the points of the star should be on paper. I doubt anyone interested would find that hard to do (ad I wouldn't know where to post it)." CreationDate="2013-11-03T14:39:22.820" UserId="45907" />
  <row Id="2241" PostId="1500" Score="1" Text="@JMCF125 - see if you can adapt the flag into an actual Q, you can then answer your own Q. Was there any repetitive tasks which could be loops or is there something dynamic about it? perhaps you could write a templated solution that could read a high level description of the flag and create some/all of the flags of the world?" CreationDate="2013-11-03T14:44:34.063" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2242" PostId="1500" Score="0" Text="@slm, interesting, but I don't have such time. I'll considered that on Summer holidays." CreationDate="2013-11-03T15:09:22.643" UserId="45907" />
  <row Id="2243" PostId="1500" Score="0" Text="@JMCF125 - here's my thoughts on the Area51 Q you posted: http://discuss.area51.stackexchange.com/questions/3986/are-stack-overflow-in-language-x-proposals-actually-viable/12289#12289" CreationDate="2013-11-03T15:13:27.927" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2244" PostId="1500" Score="0" Text="@JMCF125 - the flag idea could be extremely useful as a general purpose library of world flags that could be programmatically maintained anytime someone wanted a version of a flag with XvsY dimensions. It could be generated dynamically as needed. It would be easier to maintain than a static library of images too." CreationDate="2013-11-03T15:15:11.517" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2245" PostId="1498" Score="1" Text="For anyone coming across this Q&amp;A. Background reading is likely needed: read this Wikipedia article about [High- and low-context cultures](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_context_culture) as well as this Area51 Q&amp;A: [Are Stack Overflow (in language x) proposals actually viable?](http://discuss.area51.stackexchange.com/questions/3986/are-stack-overflow-in-language-x-proposals-actually-viable#answer-5233)." CreationDate="2013-11-03T17:03:31.530" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2246" PostId="1503" Score="0" Text="Hmmm... you're right. I need to find out if anyone is still using it and if so, then embed the jsdiff / livequery scripts in the UserScript to avoid the swarm of requests." CreationDate="2013-11-05T01:20:38.753" UserId="1049" />
  <row Id="2247" PostId="1503" Score="0" Text="@NathanOsman - yes I mentioned to everyone here a couple of times this script, which is awesome, BTW, so there are bound to be others here using it too. I noticed that in the last week or so that it's no longer displaying when I edit posts, and hadn't had a chance to look into the issue." CreationDate="2013-11-05T01:21:53.623" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2248" PostId="1503" Score="0" Text="Can we not just point to a different supplier of that minified .js file? Perhaps Google?" CreationDate="2013-11-05T01:22:29.220" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2249" PostId="1503" Score="0" Text="Ah, okay. My apologies for breaking it then. I recently moved the `files.quickmediasolutions.com` website to another server and not all files were transferred. If there is another site hosting the files, then yes - I will gladly make the update." CreationDate="2013-11-05T01:23:07.420" UserId="1049" />
  <row Id="2250" PostId="1503" Score="0" Text="@NathanOsman - what is that file? I can't see what it is/was to know. Nothing like shooting ourselves in the foot, hey?" CreationDate="2013-11-05T01:24:07.370" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2251" PostId="1503" Score="0" Text="There are actually two. The first is `jsmin` and the contents can be found here: http://ejohn.org/files/jsdiff.js The second one is `LiveQuery` and the contents can be found here: https://raw.github.com/brandonaaron/livequery/master/jquery.livequery.js" CreationDate="2013-11-05T01:24:46.430" UserId="1049" />
  <row Id="2252" PostId="1503" Score="0" Text="Is it available here via Google? https://developers.google.com/speed/libraries/devguide" CreationDate="2013-11-05T01:27:14.760" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2253" PostId="1503" Score="0" Text="No, sadly it isn't. I'm probably going to just have to embed them in the UserScript." CreationDate="2013-11-05T01:28:29.433" UserId="1049" />
  <row Id="2254" PostId="1503" Score="0" Text="@NathanOsman - that was my next Q. Seems odd though that it keeps redownloading the .js file. I thought it would do it once and then use from a cached copy there after." CreationDate="2013-11-05T01:30:14.617" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2255" PostId="1503" Score="0" Text="I've created an issue here: https://github.com/nathan-osman/Stack-Exchange-Post-Editor/issues/1 You can track the progress there." CreationDate="2013-11-05T01:31:38.493" UserId="1049" />
  <row Id="2256" PostId="1503" Score="0" Text="@NathanOsman - OK, thanks, I'm watching it. In the mean time is there any way I can point to local copies of these files?" CreationDate="2013-11-05T01:34:00.090" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2257" PostId="1503" Score="2" Text="So I finally just decided to restore the files to their original location. I will apply some very heavy caching to these files." CreationDate="2013-11-05T03:19:13.450" UserId="1049" />
  <row Id="2258" PostId="1506" Score="0" Text="Thanks, that does it for me." CreationDate="2013-11-05T08:14:14.570" UserId="32558" />
  <row Id="2259" PostId="1447" Score="0" Text="Maybe it's just me, But I frankly couldn't tell what the hell this logo even was until I moused over it. It's stylized to the point of indecipherability." CreationDate="2013-11-05T11:16:54.747" UserId="11093" />
  <row Id="2260" PostId="1498" Score="1" Text="@slm This has nothing to do with high- and low-context cultures. High/low-context cultures are about **routine communication**. Stack Exchange is not a discussion forum, it is a knowledge repository. One would no more use greetings in a Stack Exchange question or answer than in an encyclopedia article." CreationDate="2013-11-06T01:52:17.560" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="2261" PostId="1501" Score="0" Text="HTTPS is not officially supported yet, so it's to be expected that some things still break." CreationDate="2013-11-06T01:54:06.370" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="2262" PostId="1498" Score="0" Text="@Gilles - The OP referenced those links in the comments below, I was simply moving them up here. I wasn't agreeing w/ it, only moving his links so that if anyone were to come across this Q they would be more informed as to what the OP was talking about. As I stated in my A, greetings and such have no business on the site, and I have no isues with someone removing them from Q&amp;A's and getting 2 points for it." CreationDate="2013-11-06T02:00:23.230" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2263" PostId="1501" Score="0" Text="Thanks @Gilles: I was reporting it as much to let them know where the breakage was. Otherwise, even if not officially supported, it is working pretty well..." CreationDate="2013-11-06T02:03:40.920" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="2264" PostId="1511" Score="0" Text="Good, now I have someone to back me up when I do this :-)" CreationDate="2013-11-06T03:33:56.413" UserId="4358" />
  <row Id="2265" PostId="1511" Score="0" Text="@Patrick just make sure you indent it properly as a code block" CreationDate="2013-11-06T03:38:24.317" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="2266" PostId="1511" Score="8" Text="The only problem is answers have a length limit, but if you're hitting it your code sample is probably way too long anyway" CreationDate="2013-11-06T04:02:41.697" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="2267" PostId="1511" Score="0" Text="@MichaelMrozek Actually, I recall hitting it once, and as I recall it was with [64-bit Linux doesn't recognize my RAM between 3 and 32 GB](http://unix.stackexchange.com/q/34687/2465). I think it was a log excerpt that brought me over the question length limit, actually. No code samples there!" CreationDate="2013-11-07T17:13:41.297" UserId="2465" />
  <row Id="2268" PostId="1498" Score="0" Text="@Gilles, I know in Wikipedia discussions, however; the behaviour is more friendly and open-minded. And as us, they're trying to expand knowledge. High/low-context culture differentiation does come into subject here." CreationDate="2013-11-07T19:25:24.410" UserId="45907" />
  <row Id="2269" PostId="1498" Score="2" Text="@JMCF125 yes, but you never see &quot;hi guys&quot; in a Wikipedia _article_. that's the comparison that's being made here." CreationDate="2013-11-08T06:53:09.097" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2279" PostId="1511" Score="1" Text="I understand the desire for wanting the answers to be standalone but I still think it's OK to have the OP's paste content into pastebin. Too many times the info ends of being marginally useful, I'd rather incorporate the relevant content after we've screened it." CreationDate="2013-11-09T08:02:54.500" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2280" PostId="1459" Score="0" Text="@terdon - I've noticed a few ppl here that attempt to do that, it drives me fnuts, when I see someone with a 10K rep answering a Q in 1-2 sentences max. Especially when there isn't even any code in the A. Then they get a UV here and another there. That's their game. These ppl should be harshly admonished, since they are, IMO, taking and not giving fairly." CreationDate="2013-11-09T08:50:15.813" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2281" PostId="1498" Score="0" Text="@strugee, that is beacause in Wikipedia, the discussion and the article are separated, while here, the question and comments are together." CreationDate="2013-11-09T13:36:23.863" UserId="45907" />
  <row Id="2282" PostId="1498" Score="1" Text="@JMCF125 right. but the point is that comments = discussion and questions/answers = article." CreationDate="2013-11-10T03:47:53.317" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2283" PostId="1498" Score="0" Text="@strugee, indeed. However, I disagree with that point. For example, in questions and answers, one often sees &quot;Edit: as some_user pointed out, (...)&quot;. That isn't found on Wikipedia articles, and while a comparison between Stack Exchange and Wikipedia can be made, it shouldn't be so direct IMHO." CreationDate="2013-11-10T11:32:56.270" UserId="45907" />
  <row Id="2284" PostId="1498" Score="0" Text="@JMCF125 direct or no, the analogy works. the culture of Stack Exchange dictates that answers are more like Wikipedia articles than discussions." CreationDate="2013-11-10T12:24:33.800" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2285" PostId="1498" Score="0" Text="@strugee, my point is that it only *partially* works. I still think we should be more friendly. Prohibiting a normal nice human behaviour cannot be ever good." CreationDate="2013-11-10T18:02:01.170" UserId="45907" />
  <row Id="2286" PostId="1511" Score="0" Text="@slm has it right - the person asking a question may not know which lines of a logfile or even config file would be relevant or useful, and for reading large blocks of text, pastebins are often easier. When the relevant bits have been identified, they should be edited into the question, to make it self-contained." CreationDate="2013-11-12T02:00:50.593" UserId="40497" />
  <row Id="2287" PostId="1513" Score="0" Text="Ok so I'm not the only one, lol -- I thought there had been some kind of malfunction with `How to fill 90% of the free memory?` when I saw the scores 12 hours after it was written.  There's an answer in there that got *75* when normally it'd be lucky to end up with 2.  Really, honestly.  Pretty zany." CreationDate="2013-11-13T14:37:21.680" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="2288" PostId="1513" Score="1" Text="@goldilocks - yeah, I'd almost rather they take some of the older Q&amp;A's with accepted A's and a threshold of view/upvotes and show them on the feed rather than take this dribble and put it out there. At least then they'd be showcasing our best Q&amp;A's to the world. Putting this 90% memory type of Q out to the general populace ends up filling this site up with non-sense we can do without." CreationDate="2013-11-13T14:41:33.933" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2303" PostId="2519" Score="0" Text="huh, didn't realize I did that much editing." CreationDate="2013-11-15T06:43:19.997" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2304" PostId="2521" Score="2" Text="This is the right explanation; for some reason it never gets explained this way. You get +2 for suggesting an edit that gets approved, and at 2k you're not suggesting post edits anymore, you're just making them" CreationDate="2013-11-15T21:41:18.823" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="2305" PostId="2522" Score="0" Text="Not sure why you posted here; people on MSO are more likely to know the history, if anybody does" CreationDate="2013-11-16T08:36:36.240" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="2306" PostId="2522" Score="0" Text="Was a little intimidated to ask this over there, I thought maybe one of our mods knew why." CreationDate="2013-11-16T13:27:07.547" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2307" PostId="2522" Score="0" Text="If you scroll down far enough, there is a checked answer (from Jeff Atwood himself).  Reason #1 is parallel to mine (&quot;Downvotes go from being cosmetic and psychological to weapons of war&quot;)." CreationDate="2013-11-17T17:54:26.343" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="2310" PostId="2523" Score="0" Text="I 100% agree with your synopsis. Seems like we're on par with each other; I have roughly an order of magnitude more votes in both categories, but we're roughly the same run rate of up's to down's, which is exactly what we should see within the site. The only reason I asked about this was that I've noticed some users here using the same tactic on SO where they provide 1-2 sentence answers that show little effort to me, so I was curious what options we as a community had at our disposal. I like you don't like to DV, and I feel funny DV, an A that's kinda correct, but lacks details." CreationDate="2013-11-18T01:26:30.640" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2311" PostId="2523" Score="0" Text="These 1-2 sentence answers are a consistent pattern on SO where ppl are trying to throw as many A's out there to generate UV's. This site has seemed pretty immune to this tactic, and I'd aim to keep it that way, but I've notice several of these high rep'ed SO users driving by here on occasion." CreationDate="2013-11-18T01:28:56.713" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2312" PostId="2527" Score="0" Text="I agree that our mods are fine; they do a great job. To be 100% honest, this question was mostly prompted by me wondering when I could get the election-related badges" CreationDate="2013-11-18T05:33:30.473" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2313" PostId="2527" Score="1" Text="@strugee - LOL, I had that same thought before too 8-). There are also the beta ones that I wished I'd got in on the ground floor that some times bug me that you can't get now. Like an idiot I used to listen to Joel &amp; Jeff when they were podcasting as Jeff coded up the original SO site, and I never thought to participate till much later." CreationDate="2013-11-18T05:35:03.090" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2314" PostId="2527" Score="0" Text="_right?_ don't forget the one about reading the FAQ that now has &quot;(retired)&quot; on the end of its description" CreationDate="2013-11-18T05:37:31.383" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2315" PostId="2527" Score="1" Text="Yes, not having complete sets of things bugs me. I hope I don't have OCD 8-)." CreationDate="2013-11-18T05:48:20.327" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2316" PostId="2526" Score="2" Text="The revolution will not be televised..." CreationDate="2013-11-18T06:28:47.033" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="2317" PostId="2527" Score="3" Text="Stack Exchange, paying you in free OCD stimulation, we appreciate your contribution." CreationDate="2013-11-18T08:33:19.357" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="2318" PostId="2523" Score="0" Text="Well -- the world ain't perfect, and attempts to push it further toward (some vision of) perfection can have unintended consequences (&quot;throwing the baby out with the bathwater&quot; and all that).  I realized writing this that I should *upvote* more, which of course doesn't discourage the machine gun answers but hopefully encourages something else." CreationDate="2013-11-18T21:02:11.203" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="2319" PostId="2523" Score="1" Text="Sorry I didn't mean to imply that I thought changing the voting ratios around would solve this particular problem, I was researching what to do and came across this Q&amp;A and was more curious than anything whether this went any where or not. I'm glad that didn't change the ratios since I don't think that would've solved anything, just created a whole knew set of problems." CreationDate="2013-11-18T21:14:43.720" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2320" PostId="2529" Score="1" Text="I'm going to suggest that even better is when they don't start with those phrases (&quot;Use this for...&quot;), but rather imply it, at least in the short description. Space is at a premium in the tag popup description." CreationDate="2013-11-20T13:45:26.280" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="2321" PostId="2529" Score="1" Text="I like the &quot;Questions about foo&quot; format for the excerpts." CreationDate="2013-11-20T14:36:37.407" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2322" PostId="2528" Score="5" Text="I.e. strugee, if we start flagging things more we can have another election ;)" CreationDate="2013-11-20T15:50:38.887" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="2323" PostId="2529" Score="0" Text="didn't people work on `osx` too?" CreationDate="2013-11-20T16:35:58.357" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2324" PostId="2528" Score="0" Text="@goldilocks: Heh.  In all seriousness, probably not.  The measures we look at are things like how long it takes for flags to be handled and whether or not the moderators are feeling overworked.  You're mods are _extremely_ efficient at handling flags partially because they are awesome, but also because the issues raised are not generally time consuming.  It's a tribute to the quality of the site and its participants that an election has been unnecessary recently." CreationDate="2013-11-20T16:51:00.847" UserId="21281" />
  <row Id="2325" PostId="2529" Score="0" Text="[tag:gui] seems to be pretty abused too" CreationDate="2013-11-20T17:52:59.310" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2326" PostId="2530" Score="2" Text="This is consistent with what I've been doing. Also, use [tag:shell] for questions that are somewhat shell-independent; if a question is only about bash, use only [tag:bash], and so on. Conversely, if a question is largely shell-agnostic (i.e. applies to any or most Bourne-style shells), tag it only [tag:shell] and not also [tag:bash] [tag:zsh] …." CreationDate="2013-11-24T22:15:35.023" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="2327" PostId="1352" Score="0" Text="@strugee - as do I." CreationDate="2013-11-25T03:46:04.487" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2328" PostId="2531" Score="0" Text="Of course my biggest concern is to get another declined moderator attention flag ;-)" CreationDate="2013-11-25T10:30:20.883" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="2329" PostId="2531" Score="0" Text="I'm aware that sometimes mods check the revision history and/or deletion of the post clear the flags were cast." CreationDate="2013-11-25T16:17:00.293" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="2330" PostId="2533" Score="3" Text="does not answer question which is about flags" CreationDate="2013-11-28T03:03:12.750" UserId="52456" />
  <row Id="2331" PostId="2531" Score="0" Text="You can put a comment under the item: &quot;I changed my mind about recommending deletion&quot;." CreationDate="2013-11-28T19:44:16.527" UserId="16369" />
  <row Id="2333" PostId="2538" Score="4" Text="You can also get +1's if you DV a A, and the answer is deleted." CreationDate="2013-12-03T12:45:31.157" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2335" PostId="2539" Score="0" Text="See also [Pressing Enter in comment box unexpectedly submits form](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/63644/pressing-enter-in-comment-box-unexpectedly-submits-form)" CreationDate="2013-12-03T16:37:14.030" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="2336" PostId="2539" Score="0" Text="@MichaelMrozek I am aware of that (mis)feature, and once I got used to it it is ok, but not in the context menu." CreationDate="2013-12-03T16:45:05.180" UserId="52456" />
  <row Id="2337" PostId="2541" Score="0" Text="The box is checked by default. Your message gives the opposite impression." CreationDate="2013-12-04T18:53:52.790" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="2338" PostId="2541" Score="0" Text="@Gilles Fixed. Should now be clear its checked by default." CreationDate="2013-12-04T18:56:42.107" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="2339" PostId="2543" Score="1" Text="I second this Q. I usually just keep voting until I'm at 5, then I know how many I have left." CreationDate="2013-12-05T01:14:20.400" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2340" PostId="2543" Score="1" Text="What do you propose? The hover panel isn't coming back, but if there's somewhere else this information makes sense it could be re-added." CreationDate="2013-12-05T02:28:22.203" UserId="5973" />
  <row Id="2341" PostId="2540" Score="1" Text="I looked up Xfce to make sure it is written that way on the official site (it looked wrong, but I was not sure). I know the OP had one XFCE wrong as well and you might have tried to make things consistent). SSH is inappropriate and IMHO worse than ssh. If I only  change additional things I would have left the helpful mark, but if I have to change things back because they became worse (IHMO) I unmark helpful and hope the editor notices and learns (which obviously worked). Sorry for the 2 points missed. If you mentioned @Anthon in the chat I might have noticed." CreationDate="2013-12-05T07:49:28.783" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="2342" PostId="2537" Score="0" Text="at 1000+ rep you can click on the number of votes (to the left of a Q or A, between the up and down arrows) and see the seperate up and down votes http://unix.stackexchange.com/help/privileges/established-user" CreationDate="2013-12-05T07:59:15.733" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="2343" PostId="2525" Score="0" Text="As forseen this has changed. You now have to click Help in the menu bar, then Help Center and then Privileges." CreationDate="2013-12-05T08:05:13.370" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="2344" PostId="2543" Score="4" Text="@Shog9 I don't know, all I'm asking is that it takes at most one click and doesn't navigate away from the page. Could be a hover panel, could be a panel requiring a click, could be the hover text somewhere. The hover text now on the reputation is the reputation, which is rather useless. Of course if you only put the vote count that will solve my problem but not the problems of other users who are missing something. I don't understand why you insist on removing functionality that didn't get in anybody's way. It's really up to the party removing a feature to provide a replacement." CreationDate="2013-12-05T09:09:07.050" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="2345" PostId="2545" Score="0" Text="Many &amp; many tiny or medium programs in every OS, like linux use it, You can see how many programs use it by executing `echo N | yum remove sqlite*`" CreationDate="2013-12-05T09:17:55.533" UserId="37507" />
  <row Id="2346" PostId="2543" Score="4" Text="Again Gilles is dead on with this. Having access to this type of info is critical to frequenters of the site. Having to navigate away from the current page every time I want to check info such as vote count wastes my time. The new bar is IMO a step backwards. Esp. for power users to sites." CreationDate="2013-12-05T16:16:23.160" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2348" PostId="2547" Score="1" Text="Can you forward a copy of the newsletter to me, please? anna@stackexchange." CreationDate="2013-12-05T18:56:12.407" UserId="928" />
  <row Id="2349" PostId="2550" Score="1" Text="This is a demonstration post to indicate how this should look when an ad is posted. It also doubles as your twitter ad, but it's up to you if you wish to promote it by voting." CreationDate="2013-12-06T11:39:17.647" UserId="9541" />
  <row Id="2350" PostId="2548" Score="0" Text="I went and dug a little further, this user seems to exclusively or almost exclusively post plagiarized content of varying relevance." CreationDate="2013-12-06T12:56:24.707" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="2351" PostId="2551" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the extensive answer. The material was on topic, otherwise I would have noticed while reviewing it in the Late Answers queue (at least I hope I pay enough attention while reviewing, normally scrolling down to the Question belonging to the Late Answer and reading that as well). I will go back and correct the  one I linked to and write the user in question to go back and correct his other answers (as far as appropriate), and check if that was done in a few days." CreationDate="2013-12-06T15:17:20.960" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="2352" PostId="2548" Score="0" Text="@gilles, missed this comment at first, came back after I did not see the post anymore %-)" CreationDate="2013-12-06T15:28:32.113" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="2354" PostId="2547" Score="0" Text="@AnnaLear When trying to forward the mail, the video is not getting attached. So, it seems it was not with the mail. But I see this issue only with this newsletter. Such video is not attached to any other mail in my mailbox either. Screenshot added to the post." CreationDate="2013-12-06T16:12:13.863" UserId="17265" />
  <row Id="2355" PostId="2548" Score="1" Text="A moderator came and deleted this user's plagiarized answers (i.e. all of them). He missed his one question, which is also plagiarized, I flagged it." CreationDate="2013-12-06T16:14:57.913" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="2356" PostId="2551" Score="0" Text="One thing that caught my eye was that one of the answers referenced Fedora 10. Another mentioned Java 1.5, which were smoking guns to me that the content was old and/or stolen. Examples: [1](http://unix.stackexchange.com/a/103813/7453) &amp; [2](http://unix.stackexchange.com/a/103815/7453) for example. Need 10k rep to see them." CreationDate="2013-12-06T16:20:59.877" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2357" PostId="2548" Score="0" Text="@Gilles - thanks. Strugee alerted me to the user last night and I also flagged one of the A's for mod assist. Also left several notes too. Never got a single reply from him. I also noticed some unusual voting patterns w/ that account too last night, so it may have been an attempt to establish a legit acct. At one point the rep jumped from 30's to 150's. The main pattern I noticed was that most of the Q's were older, w/ accepted A's already + high upvotes." CreationDate="2013-12-06T16:24:02.950" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2358" PostId="2551" Score="0" Text="@slm When I read [one of his answers](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/4126/what-is-the-exact-difference-between-a-terminal-a-shell-a-tty-and-a-con/103979#103979), I found the writing style familiar…" CreationDate="2013-12-06T16:30:26.270" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="2359" PostId="2551" Score="0" Text="@Gilles - yes I left him a choice comment on that one as well, I like your comment better though 8-)" CreationDate="2013-12-06T16:33:06.987" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2360" PostId="2547" Score="0" Text="That's... odd. Are you running any browser extensions? Are there any Youtube links in the questions you were sent (maybe Gmail is going something clever with content?)? I'm pretty certain that this video isn't from us, or at least not deliberately inserted into the newsletter." CreationDate="2013-12-06T17:58:37.853" UserId="928" />
  <row Id="2361" PostId="2547" Score="0" Text="I do have http://gmelius.com/ extension that affects the Gmail interface. Don't think that is adding it, as it is meant to 'Remove Ads' :). Will try to check by disabling it." CreationDate="2013-12-07T11:27:25.760" UserId="17265" />
  <row Id="2362" PostId="2556" Score="0" Text="That seems to be answer here. :)" CreationDate="2013-12-08T11:42:31.277" UserId="17265" />
  <row Id="2363" PostId="2561" Score="0" Text="[Kaleb answer apply to this too](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/a/649/41104)." CreationDate="2013-12-08T18:38:48.123" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="2364" PostId="2561" Score="0" Text="I disagree that things in print need or should &quot;appear conversational&quot;.  Text is not speech.  My main concern is that the title be properly informative, no more, no less.  The question *&quot;How do I add parameters to the kernel?&quot;* is a completely different question than *&quot;How do I add parameters to the kernel with GRUB?&quot;* The &quot;GRUB&quot; is hardly superfluous.  As to S.E. appending tags in the &lt;title&gt;, that's another issue, and perhaps it is a poor choice.  My focus is how it appears in the question and in the question list." CreationDate="2013-12-08T18:45:26.293" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="2365" PostId="2561" Score="1" Text="Going with Jeff's &quot;conversational text&quot; premise, moving &quot;GRUB&quot; from the beginning to the end is a good correction.  There's nothing awkward there.  Note that the appending of tags in &lt;title&gt; actually breaks any possibility of a &quot;organic conversational&quot; feel in contexts where it applies, if &quot;FOO -- What do you think?&quot; is &quot;non-conversational&quot;." CreationDate="2013-12-08T18:54:49.423" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="2366" PostId="2561" Score="0" Text="@goldilocks ok, at least we agree that the original title was bad(tm) and needed to be fixed. Now for the other part, remember that there isn't just 1 way to do things ;). I remember some modules that accept either kernel parameters or in some mod-whatever file option. So, the broader scope for a simple solution if OP is not dead-set in that it should be done with X, any descriptive and short title will do ;)." CreationDate="2013-12-08T19:38:34.173" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="2367" PostId="2561" Score="2" Text="I think it's fine to suggest to someone who's said &quot;I want to do X with Foo,&quot; that &quot;You could do X with Bar instead&quot;.  But not by editing their question to change what they've asked. Anyway, I've had some thoughts about this based on our dialogue (TBH, I'd never even noticed the auto-appending of tags to the page title) and added them up top." CreationDate="2013-12-09T12:37:50.203" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="2368" PostId="2562" Score="0" Text="I concur with your thoughts about this particular question title, and about the use of sentence fragments, and that the question title does not need to be a grammatical question.  My issue is justifying an edit with the rule, &quot;because tags should not be in titles&quot;.  I think you are agreeing with me, sort of." CreationDate="2013-12-09T12:40:48.137" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="2369" PostId="2559" Score="4" Text="Looks like dmr's shirt has some aliasing going on. Maybe this one could be replaced with a version that's been properly resized if it gets used?" CreationDate="2013-12-10T08:13:34.283" UserId="19595" />
  <row Id="2370" PostId="2559" Score="0" Text="Here's another version with the same cropping. It's slightly dimmer, but I think the shirt looks better in this one: http://i.stack.imgur.com/wipgc.png" CreationDate="2013-12-10T09:49:17.587" UserId="19595" />
  <row Id="2371" PostId="2560" Score="0" Text="On the other hand, applying this rule strictly leads to some *awesome* titles on Arqade." CreationDate="2013-12-10T13:11:51.727" UserId="1548" />
  <row Id="2372" PostId="2559" Score="2" Text="@WhiteHotLoveTiger Sorry about that. The image is fixed now ([old](http://i.stack.imgur.com/kJwwT.png) vs. [new](http://i.stack.imgur.com/nbgEl.png))." CreationDate="2013-12-12T04:58:42.423" UserId="23779" />
  <row Id="2373" PostId="2559" Score="2" Text="Ah, that looks great!" CreationDate="2013-12-12T14:16:02.117" UserId="19595" />
  <row Id="2374" PostId="2566" Score="0" Text="I concur. 1) I would expect anyone who knows what `x509` is wouldn't be asking the question in that question. 2) It is a bit too specific to be useful. 3) It's more relevant to the answer than it is the question." CreationDate="2013-12-13T03:20:10.090" UserId="4358" />
  <row Id="2377" PostId="2557" Score="0" Text="Background: [SO: Powerful functionalities](http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17989306/what-does-docker-add-to-just-plain-lxc) And [Docker 0.7 runs on all Linux distributions](http://blog.docker.io/2013/11/docker-0-7-docker-now-runs-on-any-linux-distribution/)" CreationDate="2013-12-16T08:13:23.627" UserId="26705" />
  <row Id="2378" PostId="518" Score="0" Text="@JeffAtwood what is the tag for questions most likely to cause insanity in lab rats, I want to subscribe my ex to it." CreationDate="2013-12-16T19:57:19.153" UserId="52456" />
  <row Id="2379" PostId="295" Score="0" Text="If there is a scope clash between two or more stackexchange sites, then it's only a matter of time until those sites receive the same question. One way to we could solve this would be to flag one question for moderation attention and ask a mod to lock the question and put a notice up, which points to the other question. This ensures that there is only one active, unlocked, canonical question." CreationDate="2013-12-18T10:11:09.897" UserId="6993" />
  <row Id="2380" PostId="2550" Score="1" Text="..Which clearly nobody does :-p" CreationDate="2013-12-18T15:06:53.097" UserId="1974" />
  <row Id="2381" PostId="2550" Score="4" Text="@Josh You guys are actually the [second lowest score](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6005/community-promotion-ads-2014/6006#6006) this season. Which is impressive, I'd say." CreationDate="2013-12-18T17:13:34.873" UserId="9541" />
  <row Id="2382" PostId="2585" Score="0" Text="Thanks Michael: that is much better." CreationDate="2013-12-18T19:38:51.667" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="2383" PostId="2588" Score="5" Text="I think we probably have enough examples of bad questions; we don't really need to keep more" CreationDate="2013-12-19T15:51:27.570" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="2384" PostId="2589" Score="0" Text="ah. the searching makes sense, since otherwise I would just flag to close." CreationDate="2013-12-19T17:26:31.830" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2385" PostId="2590" Score="0" Text="but I would argue for editing the original question instead of deleting and re-asking." CreationDate="2013-12-19T18:54:13.447" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2386" PostId="2590" Score="0" Text="Speed/Timing would be the biggest things.  Hot questions can have several people helping edit (last person in according to this: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/21788/how-does-editing-work)  Edits can also be locked (if part of comments as least).   If a person has posted an answer if the time it takes you to convert then his answer will be incorrectly framed (or just incorrect) as well." CreationDate="2013-12-19T19:03:19.007" UserId="32340" />
  <row Id="2387" PostId="2592" Score="0" Text="Is there any risk in doing it like this? `[![ss of nmon][4]][4]`? Seems to work on this Q&amp;A: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/105908/how-to-display-meminfo-in-megabytes-in-top/105933#105933" CreationDate="2013-12-19T22:58:52.003" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2388" PostId="2592" Score="0" Text="@slm What risk do you envision?" CreationDate="2013-12-19T23:00:18.667" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="2389" PostId="2592" Score="0" Text="I was thinking there might be issues with the renumbering of links that the editor does for you if you insert another link above this one. I can try, but wasn't sure." CreationDate="2013-12-19T23:01:05.933" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2390" PostId="2592" Score="0" Text="Just tried and it breaks the numbering if you try and put something in front of a link that includes `[![ss of nmon][4]][4]`." CreationDate="2013-12-19T23:02:53.097" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2391" PostId="2592" Score="0" Text="@slm Oh, well, I don't use the numbering. Just use the direct URL form and the editor won't bother you." CreationDate="2013-12-19T23:09:48.613" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="2392" PostId="2592" Score="0" Text="Yeah I'll just have to adapt to doing that way instead. Thanks for the tip." CreationDate="2013-12-19T23:10:21.640" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2393" PostId="2596" Score="1" Text="Also, I apologise for the tongue twister title :-)" CreationDate="2013-12-20T10:57:23.710" UserId="10762" />
  <row Id="2394" PostId="2597" Score="2" Text="This really needs fixing—its more than a little confusing. It actually says &quot;a moderator reviewed **your** flag, but found no evidence to support it&quot; (emphasis added). I had given up on disputing flags, figuring you all didn't like it, because it appears you all had rejected all my &quot;invalid&quot; flags." CreationDate="2013-12-20T12:15:28.930" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="2396" PostId="2597" Score="1" Text="Yes, @derobert makes a good point: the lack of clarity around feedback means people are effectively disincentivised to participate, as opposed to being encouraged to." CreationDate="2013-12-20T20:00:24.540" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="2397" PostId="2593" Score="3" Text="I'll accept this answer in a day or two but I think the silence so far means people are OK with it" CreationDate="2013-12-20T20:16:35.363" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2398" PostId="2573" Score="0" Text="I'd say it's ok to talk in chat but only if you've _already_ posted on main and are moving a long discussion out of the comments **and** link back to it later.  or just, you know, use the &quot;please avoid extended discussions in chat&quot; link." CreationDate="2013-12-21T00:18:07.253" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2399" PostId="2573" Score="1" Text="@strugee - I'd relax it just a bit more and say if you're new to the site and you're not sure if something is Q worthy you can ask, but this should only be 1-2 times per visitor to the site, and only if you're new or have never asked a Q before. Otherwise what you said applies 100% of the time, IMO." CreationDate="2013-12-21T00:20:11.223" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2400" PostId="2573" Score="0" Text="that's a good question though. would we rather have people &quot;try it out&quot; and see if a question they're on the fence with works, or would we rather have people be more conservative? (maybe deserving of another meta question)" CreationDate="2013-12-21T00:22:26.367" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2401" PostId="2573" Score="1" Text="@strugee - go for it and ask. I'd prefer them ask in the chat, but it shouldn't digress into solving it there, only if it's worthy." CreationDate="2013-12-21T00:25:09.983" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2402" PostId="2600" Score="2" Text="You should break this into a question and answer." CreationDate="2013-12-21T12:40:07.843" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="2403" PostId="2597" Score="0" Text="@derobert don't worry, in 6-8 weeks that will be fixed." CreationDate="2013-12-21T14:46:07.840" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="2404" PostId="2596" Score="0" Text="references http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/161645/213575" CreationDate="2013-12-21T14:46:25.763" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="2405" PostId="2600" Score="0" Text="@goldilocks good point!" CreationDate="2013-12-21T17:15:38.867" UserId="19663" />
  <row Id="2406" PostId="2601" Score="0" Text="Why is this site different from stackoverflow?" CreationDate="2013-12-21T23:51:20.703" UserId="14084" />
  <row Id="2407" PostId="2601" Score="0" Text="Good question, but I really don't know." CreationDate="2013-12-22T00:07:36.177" UserId="19663" />
  <row Id="2408" PostId="2601" Score="1" Text="I don't understand. You set your default background to black and, obviously, can't see a site that uses black as its default font color, so you set your background to white and solve the problem you created. Why set it to black in the first place? You'll have the same problem with most of the internet!" CreationDate="2013-12-23T11:07:36.490" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2409" PostId="2601" Score="1" Text="No, the most site do this explicit. It's a bad practise, to hope that the browser maybe do the right thing, when you can set this explicit." CreationDate="2013-12-23T11:14:50.903" UserId="19663" />
  <row Id="2410" PostId="2600" Score="0" Text="@Gilles why do you think this is a feature and not a bug?" CreationDate="2013-12-23T11:16:51.273" UserId="19663" />
  <row Id="2411" PostId="2600" Score="2" Text="@Sirl33tname Because the sites are not intended to be viewed with arbitrary style changes. If you change the style, you're on your own." CreationDate="2013-12-23T13:32:53.663" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="2412" PostId="2589" Score="0" Text="I disagree that non-reproducible issues are _necessarily_ bad to keep. There might still be some useful hints on how to try to isolate the problem in the question or the comments. Someone else might have the issue and manage to crack it." CreationDate="2013-12-23T19:52:45.803" UserId="2510" />
  <row Id="2413" PostId="2589" Score="1" Text="@RobinGreen Yes; there are invariably going to be situations where it makes sense *not* to delete the post, but the premise of this question is that it *does* make sense and the answer covers valid reasons to justify that decision." CreationDate="2013-12-23T19:56:00.593" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="2415" PostId="2597" Score="0" Text="@ChrisDown you know that SE doesn't have an exact timetable, right? But some related info http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/160338/213575" CreationDate="2013-12-24T04:01:21.583" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="2417" PostId="2603" Score="0" Text="The OP, @Braiam voted to close it himself, actually he prompted the closing of it so can we get his opinion on it?" CreationDate="2013-12-24T22:54:37.687" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2418" PostId="2603" Score="0" Text="He asked for references, I'm digging up source code, unfortunately my main test machine is at the lab, so it is taking me a couple minutes longer than I like." CreationDate="2013-12-24T23:02:16.317" UserId="52456" />
  <row Id="2419" PostId="2603" Score="0" Text="I pinged him in the comment above." CreationDate="2013-12-24T23:07:15.127" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2420" PostId="2603" Score="0" Text="@slm he responded in the coment" CreationDate="2013-12-24T23:40:22.207" UserId="52456" />
  <row Id="2421" PostId="2603" Score="0" Text="@hilred - thanks, see it now, voted to reopen." CreationDate="2013-12-24T23:41:28.710" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2422" PostId="2593" Score="0" Text="Man, I clicked those &quot;tags&quot; like 3-5 times." CreationDate="2013-12-25T17:40:58.717" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="2423" PostId="2532" Score="0" Text="Add there [tag:installation] to be in the safe side ;)" CreationDate="2013-12-25T19:17:39.517" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="2424" PostId="2532" Score="0" Text="@Braiam No one's using it, so we don't need it blacklisted. The problem with [tag:install] is that as long as it exists, people keep using it on new questions." CreationDate="2013-12-25T19:18:45.280" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="2425" PostId="2600" Score="0" Text="related: second from the bottom of the Design section of http://catb.org/~esr/html-hell.html" CreationDate="2013-12-26T09:45:06.573" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2426" PostId="2600" Score="3" Text="@Gilles I'm going to have to disagree on this one, this is a bug. Any site that explicitly sets a text color instead of relying on defaults should also set the background. The trouble seems te be the transparent pattern image has been laid over what is assumed to be a white background, but that is not a safe assumption according to spec. This is not a case of applying a custom style (e.g. using a userstyle utility) but of having different browser defaults (which some OS themes specify)." CreationDate="2013-12-26T11:32:22.167" UserId="1925" />
  <row Id="2428" PostId="2600" Score="0" Text="`you change the style` no and thats the point why this is a bug, black is the default window color and just because 99% has the default color white you shoudn't trust on that" CreationDate="2013-12-26T15:17:32.703" UserId="19663" />
  <row Id="2429" PostId="2580" Score="0" Text="So I killed the low hanging fruit on this. (questions tagged grub and grub2, and the tag wikis) second branch: questions tagged grub containing the word grub-legacy." CreationDate="2013-12-26T21:16:36.270" UserId="52456" />
  <row Id="2430" PostId="2580" Score="0" Text="can we have a moderator lock the grub tag like the install tag? or do you think I'll finish first?" CreationDate="2013-12-26T22:32:49.257" UserId="52456" />
  <row Id="2431" PostId="2580" Score="0" Text="@hildred ask a new Meta question" CreationDate="2013-12-27T02:49:46.833" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2432" PostId="2580" Score="0" Text="New question posted." CreationDate="2013-12-27T02:56:20.467" UserId="52456" />
  <row Id="2433" PostId="2610" Score="0" Text="Please don't do that many retags in one day. When you do retags, check the [front page](http://unix.stackexchange.com/). If it starts showing too many questions edited by you, take a break. Let other questions, especially new questions and questions with new answers, get some attention too." CreationDate="2013-12-27T12:02:19.490" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="2434" PostId="2609" Score="0" Text="A duplicate shouldn't cause this behavior. Under current behavior, closing as duplicate doesn't affect the question body. Under the behavior at the time the question was closed, closing as duplicate caused an edit by Community. Either way the retag wouldn't silently affect the question body. If old duplicates coulnd't be retagged via suggested edits, I think I'd be able to find a report of that on MSO." CreationDate="2013-12-27T12:10:56.867" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="2435" PostId="2609" Score="0" Text="@Gilles - this was just a speculation on my part. Any idea why he would've gotten this then?" CreationDate="2013-12-27T13:34:17.593" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2436" PostId="2588" Score="1" Text="Actually, it's for deleting posts, either answers or questions" CreationDate="2013-12-20T18:06:52.113" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="2437" PostId="2614" Score="7" Text="can we have a link to your question, please?" CreationDate="2013-12-28T07:17:48.673" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2438" PostId="2616" Score="0" Text="Thank you very much" CreationDate="2013-12-28T13:33:13.630" UserId="46723" />
  <row Id="2439" PostId="2597" Score="0" Text="@ChrisDown It's a joke from the SO community, see http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/19514/150311" CreationDate="2013-12-29T10:33:32.670" UserId="8250" />
  <row Id="2440" PostId="2618" Score="0" Text="Ok - so the real reason here would be: This lacks in quality and/or research. BUT in this particular case - it is quite common to have a java bundled somewhere in some location you do not know of. I will try to edit that question..." CreationDate="2013-12-29T22:21:45.577" UserId="11083" />
  <row Id="2441" PostId="2618" Score="0" Text="I added another example of a different question." CreationDate="2013-12-29T22:44:14.553" UserId="11083" />
  <row Id="2442" PostId="2618" Score="0" Text="@Nils - yeah that one I initiated the close. That's just a horrible question." CreationDate="2013-12-29T23:59:28.183" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2443" PostId="2550" Score="2" Text="@GraceNote well, is there any point in advertising a site _on the site itself_? I'd love to see this as a community add on [su] or [so] but anyone who's here already knows us, so this seems completely pointless. Unless I'm missing something." CreationDate="2014-01-01T17:20:37.320" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2444" PostId="2550" Score="1" Text="@terdon Maybe you want your users to know you have a twitter account?" CreationDate="2014-01-02T00:11:49.477" UserId="28893" />
  <row Id="2445" PostId="2623" Score="1" Text="So that new &quot;on hold&quot; state changed the general attitude to press &quot;close&quot; faster?" CreationDate="2014-01-02T08:06:21.857" UserId="11083" />
  <row Id="2446" PostId="2623" Score="0" Text="@Nils yeah, that's kinda the idea. Since it is no longer closed and it's been made easier to reopen, we tend to put on hold more quickly." CreationDate="2014-01-02T12:14:42.497" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2447" PostId="2618" Score="1" Text="@Nils, slm: [Lack of effort](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/212165/still-confused-about-minimal-understanding/212192#212192) is a reason to downvote, not to close." CreationDate="2014-01-02T17:54:22.033" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="2448" PostId="2623" Score="2" Text="@Nils, terdon: actually there is very little difference between “on hold” and “closed”. The only difference is that the first edit (if any) during the “on hold” period pushes the question onto the reopen queue. This didn't start happening with the wording change, so the wording change has had absolutely no impact on the impact of closing a question." CreationDate="2014-01-02T17:57:13.640" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="2449" PostId="2618" Score="0" Text="@Gilles  - yes but lack of effort in framing the Q or taking the time to understand it so that it's a coherent Q was more what I was aiming at with that comment in #2." CreationDate="2014-01-02T18:49:43.350" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2450" PostId="2626" Score="0" Text="@Nils - Gilles point is probably the best reason, to guard a poorly worded Q from being answered too soon, until the actual Q has had a chance to be properly formulated! I think many associate closed as some sort of final state, when it's just another state that the Q can go into, and come out of." CreationDate="2014-01-02T18:52:20.420" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2451" PostId="2626" Score="0" Text="This reopen mechanism seems to be largely unknown. In the review queue I see mostly close tasks." CreationDate="2014-01-02T21:55:09.940" UserId="11083" />
  <row Id="2452" PostId="2623" Score="0" Text="@Gilles the combination of wording change and auto-reopen thang make closing different. At any rate, I seem to recall some meta threads on [so] and [su] explaining how putting on hold should not be perceived as too aggressive." CreationDate="2014-01-02T23:12:47.407" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2453" PostId="2617" Score="5" Text="I don't think this opinion is enough for an answer, but: there is little cost to erring on the side of caution when closing questions, but there is a pretty heavy cost on closing too many -- to the site's reputation, to how users feel about the site, etc." CreationDate="2014-01-03T09:33:03.333" UserId="10762" />
  <row Id="2454" PostId="2628" Score="1" Text="Relevant http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/179398/213575 http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/150142/213575. There's another for showing if the edit is on a question/answer but I didn't find it." CreationDate="2014-01-03T19:03:35.737" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="2455" PostId="2636" Score="0" Text="In looking through the links you provided, as it is with these things, someone needs to step up and be a coordinator, is where it looks to have died. I might post from time to time but I already have my own established blog and so wouldn't probably provide a lot, beyond editing others or in assisting." CreationDate="2014-01-06T07:05:38.523" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2456" PostId="2636" Score="0" Text="@slm it might be interesting if we had some sort of syndication, similar to how a lot of planet.*.org sites do it. e.g. you would have a list of RSS feeds, and whenever one of those feeds added a post tagged &quot;stack exchange&quot; (or whatever), that post would show up in the community blog. that way, you could still do your thing but we'd have interesting content." CreationDate="2014-01-06T07:17:54.377" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2457" PostId="2636" Score="0" Text="I've been taking answers that I write up here and cross posting them on my blog, often expanding an answer there so that it's more expansive. I've got ~2 dozen of these posts that are in various states, and I come back to them as my knowledge grows or I have time or the desire to do them." CreationDate="2014-01-06T07:22:34.137" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2458" PostId="2636" Score="0" Text="If you hadn't noticed by my answer style, I generally prefer the long form, explaining more of the goings on than most." CreationDate="2014-01-06T07:24:59.777" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2459" PostId="2636" Score="1" Text="@slm I think that'd still work. it would definitely be on topic - you could put &quot;for more details, see foobar blog post&quot; at the bottom of answers. and yeah, I prefer those answers too - I always enjoy reading your explanations of the internals of things" CreationDate="2014-01-06T07:26:08.757" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2461" PostId="2633" Score="1" Text="Interesting. Does it offer its own implementation of POSIX utilities or does it rely on an existing one?" CreationDate="2014-01-06T14:07:45.883" UserId="26909" />
  <row Id="2462" PostId="2633" Score="4" Text="@JosephR. no idea, I only know about it from an [XKCD comic](http://xkcd.com/806/) but it sounds cool and is open and *nix(ish) so we may as well promote it :)." CreationDate="2014-01-06T14:32:55.540" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2463" PostId="2633" Score="0" Text="Hahahahaha. Great comic!! If only. In all such conversations I make a conscious effort to conceal the fact that I'm running *nix because you know they'll directly jump to blaming the problem on that." CreationDate="2014-01-06T15:09:58.867" UserId="26909" />
  <row Id="2464" PostId="2633" Score="7" Text="@JosephR. I've found a trick, when I call my ISP tech support, I ask them things like &quot;Do you know what ssh, telnet, ftp or ping are? No. OK, please let me speak to someone who does&quot;. That tends to speed things up wonderfully until I am talking to someone who knows more than I do and can actually help." CreationDate="2014-01-06T15:12:03.970" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2465" PostId="2633" Score="0" Text="Nice. Kind of a reverse Shibboleth, if you will :D" CreationDate="2014-01-06T15:13:20.680" UserId="26909" />
  <row Id="2466" PostId="2635" Score="0" Text="can I boot directly to plan 9? does it have a kernel? if not what OS's can I run it on? are any of them unix? what is the answer if I substitute the words `plan 9` with anything else. IIRC plan 9 is little more than a different shell at this point? maybe some other pieces, but you're still booting on a non plan 9 kernel." CreationDate="2014-01-06T15:16:24.100" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="2467" PostId="2635" Score="0" Text="@xenoterracide in order: yes. yes. it runs on (some) virtual machines, and a spin-off called Inferno runs natively on a number of operating systems; there's also plan9port which aims to bring some Plan 9 things (e.g. the `rc` shell) to UNIX-like systems. as said above, plan9port runs on UNIX-like machines, and Inferno runs as a native app on UNIX-like machines. if you substitute Plan 9 w/ something else, the answer will likely be different. yes, it is; it's a full OS. Plan 9 has always, always had its own kernel." CreationDate="2014-01-06T16:28:36.910" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2468" PostId="2635" Score="0" Text="I wasn't aware of anything other than the plan 9 port I guess... well then my answer is, I don't know, I guess it's unix like, though not a posixly system. It's a hard call, which is probably why it never got a decidedly answer, though it seems that most people voted up for it to be ok." CreationDate="2014-01-06T18:52:03.100" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="2469" PostId="2635" Score="0" Text="Related: [Is QNX unix-like?](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/949/is-qnx-unix-like) (we've decided that yes) We also have a couple of [tag:hurd] questions." CreationDate="2014-01-07T23:41:41.470" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="2470" PostId="2636" Score="1" Text="[My answer](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/743/starting-a-blog-part-2/875#875) still stands. What we need is someone to kick off the process and keep things going (including begging people for posts). Wink wink nudge nudge." CreationDate="2014-01-07T23:55:06.290" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="2471" PostId="2643" Score="4" Text="The problem is not so much its relevance as whether it is a good fit to our Q&amp;A format. I agree that a list of courses would be a useful resource, I'm just not sure if this is the right place for it. They are very likely not to exist in a year, and unless someone wants to keep the answer up to date, it will quickly become useless." CreationDate="2014-01-08T17:12:06.933" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2472" PostId="2642" Score="1" Text="I don't agree about the book exemption on the grounds that a) there is still a subjective assessment about their relevance (especially given that the questioner is invariably looking for &quot;the best&quot;, or &quot;the most thorough&quot;, etc), and b) I find it ironic that a wiki would discriminate against other online media. :)" CreationDate="2014-01-08T19:50:17.033" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="2473" PostId="2644" Score="1" Text="The nub of it is that all of those questions are just veiled (or not so veiled) requests for opinions--albeit sorted by votes." CreationDate="2014-01-08T19:52:02.950" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="2474" PostId="2635" Score="3" Text="Are we thumbing our nose at a kernel/OS written by Saint Ken?!??!  ;-)" CreationDate="2014-01-08T20:41:04.767" UserId="12997" />
  <row Id="2475" PostId="2645" Score="1" Text="Name 4 or 5 relevant online resources/courses on linux system programming (not books). I have been looking for the last 3 years and have found two. The question is relevant precisely because such resources are hard to find." CreationDate="2014-01-08T20:53:41.917" UserId="12997" />
  <row Id="2476" PostId="2645" Score="3" Text="@haziz but they are not fit for the Q&amp;A style. StackOverflow passed that since long ago (almost after 2 years of going public, so we are late bloomers) and they decided that they doesn't fit the model. Is not what you think, is how the rules are written and the reasons behind those rules." CreationDate="2014-01-08T20:56:53.553" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="2477" PostId="2642" Score="0" Text="Books IIRC are now specifically disallowed on SO... and I think this is generally the same scenario. Personally though I'm not sure I agree with the general SE stance, sure materials might disappear... sure books /may/ get outdated, but I've gotten some awesome reads from long closed book threads on SO, because the /great/ resources tend to be long lived." CreationDate="2014-01-08T21:28:01.463" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="2478" PostId="2645" Score="2" Text="@haziz - no one is arguing with the value of these links, the issue is that they aren't a good fit for the Q&amp;A style that SE makes use of." CreationDate="2014-01-08T21:32:26.613" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2479" PostId="2642" Score="0" Text="@jasonwryan yes but I think I'm with xenoterracide on this, books are different somehow. First of all, if I recommend a book, that book is still likely to be available a few years down the line. It may be out of date, but at least it s not a link to a dead webpage. It is not a matter of discrimination but of connectivity. Links die, books don't, at worst, they just become obsolete. Whatever, I'm not so hung up on books, of we decide they're not a good fit for the site, then fine. I just feel we need to have an &quot;official&quot; stance on request for learning materials." CreationDate="2014-01-09T01:57:32.937" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2480" PostId="2642" Score="0" Text="@xenoterracide you might want to reread my answer about &quot;list of books&quot;, that could be translated to &quot;shopping list&quot; (I didn't added this factor in my answer). The problem with those question asking for books is that there will be people writing new books about the same thing everyday, in this same moment. We are arguing 3 things: 1. the relevance of the list in the future 2. the authoritativeness of the answers given 3. and that it doesn't evolve into a list with time. If any of those points are not meet, then the question is no good for SE as whole." CreationDate="2014-01-09T02:14:53.047" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="2481" PostId="2642" Score="1" Text="@Braiam I'm just giving my opinion on this sort of thing in general. I've found that the /good/ books don't get that outdated ( e.g. K&amp;R is still relevant for C )." CreationDate="2014-01-09T02:38:57.810" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="2482" PostId="2642" Score="3" Text="@xenoterracide : Yeah, the S.U. stance about learning materials becoming &quot;obsolete&quot; too quickly to be useful is a borderline illiterate one.  S.U. *is* a source of &quot;learning material&quot;, so there is something inherently contradictory in saying &quot;We can't recommend learning material, because learning material goes out of date and as learning material, we want our material to stand for eternity, therefore we must avoid reference to learning material because it inherently becomes obsolete and we don't!&quot;  Really, really dumb tish, honestly. I'm against recommendations though, for other reasons." CreationDate="2014-01-09T09:28:57.540" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="2483" PostId="2636" Score="0" Text="@slm Sheesh dude stop teasing us and post a link already!  It's not even in your profile." CreationDate="2014-01-09T10:18:41.397" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="2484" PostId="2636" Score="0" Text="@goldilocks - what's not in my profile?" CreationDate="2014-01-09T12:39:35.320" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2485" PostId="2636" Score="0" Text="@slm o_o Sometimes I miss the obvious. You seem to have a lot of good stuff there...liked the Rob Reid video too.  I'd definitely contribute to a blog here if someone got one going." CreationDate="2014-01-09T15:35:01.527" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="2486" PostId="2636" Score="1" Text="@goldilocks - thanks, I've thought of it, but I kind of wanted to see if one of the younger members would be willing to take the lead on it. I think it would be a good experience for one of them to facilitate ours, and given our season ppl w/in the site + most are professionals it would be fairly easy to manage the schedule, IMO. I don't have additional bandwidth to do the managing, but I'd def. help. Wink wink nudge nudge 2 person that asked the Q 8-)" CreationDate="2014-01-09T15:39:28.197" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2487" PostId="2636" Score="0" Text="@slm http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/a/2639/29146" CreationDate="2014-01-09T17:34:59.637" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2488" PostId="2636" Score="0" Text="@strugee - look at this way, you get to boss everyone around 8-)" CreationDate="2014-01-09T18:03:35.460" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2489" PostId="2636" Score="1" Text="@slm \o/ that's the dream!" CreationDate="2014-01-09T18:04:16.273" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2490" PostId="2647" Score="1" Text="Can't believe you still haven't done that NTP thing... :)" CreationDate="2014-01-09T20:11:22.920" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2491" PostId="872" Score="0" Text="are you still active on SE/interested in this? the blog idea is [coming back](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/2636/what-ever-happened-to-starting-a-blog)" CreationDate="2014-01-09T20:39:42.340" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2492" PostId="943" Score="1" Text="are you still active on SE/interested in this? the blog idea is [coming back](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/2636/what-ever-happened-to-starting-a-blog)" CreationDate="2014-01-09T20:40:12.137" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2493" PostId="744" Score="0" Text="@MaxMackie are you still active on SE/interested in this? the blog idea is [coming back](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/2636/what-ever-happened-to-starting-a-blog)" CreationDate="2014-01-09T20:40:31.903" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2494" PostId="933" Score="0" Text="from your edit, am I correct in assuming that you are still interested in writing?" CreationDate="2014-01-09T22:33:15.820" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2495" PostId="2648" Score="0" Text="how often would you want to post? if you have a specific desired schedule I'll try to accommodate it, otherwise I'll just place you where it would be convenient for others' schedules." CreationDate="2014-01-09T22:38:44.683" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2496" PostId="2648" Score="0" Text="@strugee - No preference." CreationDate="2014-01-09T22:39:31.467" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2497" PostId="933" Score="0" Text="assuming the answer is yes, how often would you want to post? if you have a specific desired schedule I'll try to accommodate it, otherwise I'll just place you where it would be convenient for others' schedules." CreationDate="2014-01-09T22:41:27.707" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2498" PostId="875" Score="0" Text="how often would you want to post? if you have a specific desired schedule I'll try to accommodate it, otherwise I'll just place you where it would be convenient for others' schedules." CreationDate="2014-01-09T22:42:15.397" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2499" PostId="875" Score="0" Text="@strugee As time permits. I can't commit more than that." CreationDate="2014-01-09T23:15:32.340" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="2500" PostId="2642" Score="2" Text="@goldilocks agreed, the question of whether they become obsolete is secondary to me (though it is a problem for web-based resources). My main issue with this kind of question is that it's not very interesting. I feel we should be a place to get _answers_. Not a place where we find out where to go to get answers. Personally, I am 100% in agreement with what you wrote in your answer, the only exception I would make is for primary sources like the POSIX spec etc." CreationDate="2014-01-09T23:45:58.857" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2501" PostId="875" Score="0" Text="@strugee I'd also be willing to do something like what Gilles proposes. I mean that his first 4 bullet points describe how I feel about the blog, I might write something or other on subjects I know enough about every now and then but would be unwilling to commit to writing X articles every N days." CreationDate="2014-01-09T23:50:31.973" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2502" PostId="2649" Score="1" Text="Nice. I started to ask SE about this yesterday and then got distracted by work. I'll make sure they see it today" CreationDate="2014-01-10T05:44:50.450" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="2503" PostId="2649" Score="0" Text="I added in a couple of people who put their hands up in previous threads: more shoulders to tap..." CreationDate="2014-01-10T06:45:32.610" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="2504" PostId="2649" Score="0" Text="@jasonwryan I didn't include them because they haven't responded yet to my comment asking them if they're still interested" CreationDate="2014-01-10T07:00:41.810" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2505" PostId="2649" Score="1" Text="Fair enough. But they had expressed a desire to participate, I'd consider them potential contributors (they may just need more &quot;encouragement&quot;)." CreationDate="2014-01-10T07:03:36.917" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="2506" PostId="2642" Score="1" Text="It seems that some other sites allow this, Math.Sx for example" CreationDate="2014-01-10T13:25:43.997" UserId="40290" />
  <row Id="2507" PostId="297" Score="0" Text="have you seen the news also ? http://cat.www.bbc.com.meowbify.com/" CreationDate="2014-01-10T14:18:45.700" UserId="53092" />
  <row Id="2508" PostId="2651" Score="0" Text="If you are providing a link to a SE question, use the link provided by the share link at the bottom. The actual link is it at can change if the title is changed, as indeed has happened to the question you linked to, since I fixed a typo in the title." CreationDate="2014-01-10T15:23:02.267" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="2509" PostId="2646" Score="1" Text="+1 only for the last sentence." CreationDate="2014-01-10T18:09:00.793" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="2510" PostId="2642" Score="2" Text="@terdon I absolutely agree requests for primary sources are fine, maybe that wasn't clear?  Anyway, for arguments sake, even taking into account web-based resources, the &quot;obsolescence&quot; premise is still non-nonsensical, esp since S.E. is a web-based resource.  I don't ask a lot of questions, but I end up consulting existing ones every day, and if the question is, e.g. &quot;How do I do this with that API?&quot; I of course take the *date* on the question into account, because the API *may* have changed since then. Etc.  There is no way around that..." CreationDate="2014-01-10T18:25:57.070" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="2511" PostId="2642" Score="2" Text="...So in short, S.E. itself is irreversibly and intrinsically subject to obsolescence, nothing is eternal, and saying you can't have answers because they may be obsolete in the future is, well, absurd.  There are various *good* reasons for disallowing requests for resources, putting a bad reason at the top (or anywhere on) the list is just a bad idea." CreationDate="2014-01-10T18:26:18.277" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="2512" PostId="2642" Score="0" Text="@goldilocks yes and no. Link rot is a valid concern. Actual info on the site is different, after all, it can always be edited. And, yes, your position on primary sources was quite clear, I was just agreeing with you is all." CreationDate="2014-01-10T18:27:42.977" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2513" PostId="2652" Score="0" Text="Well that 's a nice answer. Thank you." CreationDate="2014-01-10T20:54:33.670" UserId="53092" />
  <row Id="2514" PostId="2653" Score="0" Text="Well I get your point but still, I'm not really comfortable with the rephrasing of a question as the meaning can be change." CreationDate="2014-01-10T21:10:18.523" UserId="53092" />
  <row Id="2515" PostId="2584" Score="13" Text="It's the first time in 15 years of using `perl` that I come across (or notice I suppose) this logo. According to [Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perl#Onion_symbol) that's referring to _pearl onions_. Not so good an image given that it only works in english (German as well?), and even then, I don't see the point really. Possible confusion with TOR as well." CreationDate="2014-01-10T22:13:49.743" UserId="22565" />
  <row Id="2516" PostId="2584" Score="7" Text="@StephaneChazelas This happens to be the logo used by [The Perl Foundation](http://www.perlfoundation.org/). Also, Larry Wall's Perl talks are called &quot;State of the Onion&quot;. The Camel was popularized by the O'Reilly books. I put this image instead of the Camel intentionally hoping its lack of widespread recognition will prompt people to click through (hey, it caught your attention, didn't it?) :)&#xA;I do agree on the potential confusion with TOR, though." CreationDate="2014-01-10T22:51:56.720" UserId="26909" />
  <row Id="2517" PostId="2584" Score="2" Text="@StephaneChazelas The pun _does_ seem to work better in German, where a pearl onion is known as a _[Perlzwiebel](https://www.google.com/search?%7Bgoogle:acceptedSuggestion%7Doq=pearl+onion+in+german&amp;sourceid=chrome&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;q=pearl+onion+in+german)_ :)" CreationDate="2014-01-10T22:54:38.997" UserId="26909" />
  <row Id="2518" PostId="2653" Score="0" Text="@Kiwy the idea wasn't to rephrase the question. the idea was to cut out additional questions. if you are rephrasing one of the questions in such a way that the meaning is changed, you're doing it wrong." CreationDate="2014-01-11T05:55:28.607" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2519" PostId="2649" Score="0" Text="@MichaelMrozek any word on this?" CreationDate="2014-01-11T06:14:56.003" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2520" PostId="2649" Score="0" Text="@strugee Haven't heard anything. I'll be more annoying" CreationDate="2014-01-11T07:21:41.053" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="2521" PostId="2649" Score="2" Text="This looks to be pretty nice. I'll see what I can do for next week." CreationDate="2014-01-11T19:18:45.633" UserId="9541" />
  <row Id="2522" PostId="154" Score="0" Text="Where did you get these graphs?" CreationDate="2014-01-11T23:39:44.170" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2524" PostId="2655" Score="0" Text="Doesn't HTTPS Everywhere have a whitelist/blacklist facility where you can disable it on certain sites? I found these directions on making your own rulesets: https://www.eff.org/https-everywhere/rulesets" CreationDate="2014-01-12T19:24:39.660" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2525" PostId="2656" Score="3" Text="There is a length limit; post bodies can only be 30000 characters. Furthermore, combining the old and new questions seems like the worst of all worlds; we discourage people from asking multiple questions upfront, let alone appending new questions over time. Making a new question is probably the right solution" CreationDate="2014-01-12T21:11:38.003" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="2526" PostId="2654" Score="0" Text="I'm going to answer with a question, does your change clarify the existing question? or does it ask a new question? Sometimes I modify questions, because the answers I got were obviously not understanding what I was asking. If however, people answered your question and it lead to a new question then you should ask the new question as a separate one." CreationDate="2014-01-12T22:55:13.847" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="2527" PostId="2654" Score="0" Text="I beg to differ. The last line of my answer does answer your question. The rest provided the necessary background to understand why your attempt failed." CreationDate="2014-01-12T23:13:14.127" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="2528" PostId="2655" Score="0" Text="HTTPS Everywhere recently added all of Stack Exchange to its default whitelist, but HTTPS isn't officially supported yet and does not work fully. Meta sites are one of the things that don't work." CreationDate="2014-01-12T23:16:44.223" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="2531" PostId="2654" Score="0" Text="@Giles - in that case, maybe the question remains unanswered. I am looking for a complete Python implementation of the C algorithm (e.g., http://code.google.com/p/passlib/source/browse/src/sha512_crypt.c?name=speedup). Is there a pure Python implementation of Drepper's C code? Maybe I just need to ask that as a new question, as suggested here." CreationDate="2014-01-13T00:46:26.300" UserId="15010" />
  <row Id="2532" PostId="2654" Score="0" Text="Oh, I see, you wanted to be able to hash a password in a way that's compatible with a different system? Right, that wasn't present in your original question, it's a different question." CreationDate="2014-01-13T01:00:07.123" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="2533" PostId="2654" Score="0" Text="@Gilles - yes, now you see why I wanted to &quot;massively edit my question&quot; :-) Here's my new question: http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/48552/python-implementation-of-sha512-crypt-c" CreationDate="2014-01-13T01:00:46.537" UserId="15010" />
  <row Id="2534" PostId="2654" Score="0" Text="@MountainX That's off-topic on [security.se]. It's a programming question, it belongs on [so]. Your original [unix.se] question could have fit on [security.se] or [crypto.se], but not that one." CreationDate="2014-01-13T01:02:06.057" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="2535" PostId="2654" Score="0" Text="@Gilles - OK, I'll move it. Thanks." CreationDate="2014-01-13T01:05:36.383" UserId="15010" />
  <row Id="2536" PostId="2654" Score="0" Text="New question here: http://stackoverflow.com/q/21082483/463994" CreationDate="2014-01-13T01:11:58.910" UserId="15010" />
  <row Id="2537" PostId="2654" Score="0" Text="And it's already downvoted in 1 second flat. I don't think that question is going to do well on StackOverflow..." CreationDate="2014-01-13T01:13:46.667" UserId="15010" />
  <row Id="2538" PostId="943" Score="0" Text="Ok, I'm here let me know. What I can do for you" CreationDate="2014-01-13T01:17:24.393" UserId="18251" />
  <row Id="2539" PostId="943" Score="0" Text="take a look at http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/q/2649/29146 and update your entry in the spreadsheet" CreationDate="2014-01-13T01:19:01.547" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2540" PostId="2660" Score="0" Text="It would be great it you report it. It sounds like you have a little more detail about the sites affected than I do." CreationDate="2014-01-13T01:22:19.497" UserId="15010" />
  <row Id="2542" PostId="2649" Score="0" Text="Ok I added myself there, put some things in the notes. Hope I can help you." CreationDate="2014-01-13T09:33:40.173" UserId="18251" />
  <row Id="2543" PostId="2644" Score="1" Text="I disagree with the take classes/2-4-year degree statement.  My experience (getting a CmpE/CS double-major) was that none of the classes ever formally taught linux/unix -- most of them, if they required the use of those systems, just offered some basic intro-level &quot;Here's how you do what is required to compile/run, everything else is up to you to learn independently&quot;-type hour-or-two-long session.  While there was maybe one or two classes offered on the stuff, they weren't required, and didn't really cover anything that couldn't be found online." CreationDate="2014-01-13T20:53:45.660" UserId="17747" />
  <row Id="2544" PostId="2644" Score="0" Text="@RossAiken - you missed the point of my comment about the 2/4 degrees. This gives you the foundations to understand and take your personal learning over yourself and become your own teacher, through books and resources on the web. You won't find full material to show you everything (from scratch), but rather most material is structured for very small knowledge spaces." CreationDate="2014-01-13T21:12:50.720" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2545" PostId="2661" Score="2" Text="I don't think a general one exists. I only know of those for the major players: [android.se] and [apple.se]." CreationDate="2014-01-14T17:18:41.013" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="2546" PostId="2568" Score="0" Text="I see what you did there :D" CreationDate="2014-01-15T12:27:52.977" UserId="26909" />
  <row Id="2547" PostId="2663" Score="0" Text="Downvoter, care to comment?" CreationDate="2014-01-16T12:43:46.437" UserId="54677" />
  <row Id="2548" PostId="2663" Score="0" Text="Yup. First of all, downvotes on meta cost no reputation and should be taken even less personally than DVs on the main site, if someone disagrees with your meta proposal, they downvote to show it. That's how a community consensus is reached. The type of question you talk about is _not_ about a specific problem. `Where can I learn about X` has thousands of possible answers, each as good as the other. How do you mark one as accepted? Which one is 'correct'? Books are not _that_ different but since they are physical objects, they tend to stick around more." CreationDate="2014-01-16T12:51:08.750" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2549" PostId="2574" Score="11" Text="I fail to see why would someone get interested by this one." CreationDate="2014-01-16T13:42:47.180" UserId="56910" />
  <row Id="2550" PostId="2643" Score="1" Text="@terdon but the same thing goes for a lot of answers. The frameworks I used two years ago are no longer around or the api had significant changes. (not all, but some) So while yes, some elements stay the same other information goes obsolete. So this is the right place for it as it tends to cause short to-the-point answers and has a visual date tag to it. For this type of question this would be the best format." CreationDate="2014-01-16T14:27:45.767" UserId="54677" />
  <row Id="2551" PostId="2643" Score="1" Text="@AngeloNeuschitzer the main issue is not so much obsolescence (though that is a problem) but the fact that this type of question cannot have a _definitive_ answer. It is a fine question for a forum, not so for a Q&amp;A site." CreationDate="2014-01-16T14:30:34.713" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2552" PostId="2663" Score="0" Text="@terdon `Where can I learn everything about X` may be too broad as a question but `Where may I learn $specific about X` is not. `Where can I learn all about apache` is too broad. `Where can I learn about writing mods for apache` is not. The question itself `How does one write a mod for apache` again is too broad. (thanks for explaining DVs here)" CreationDate="2014-01-16T14:31:02.387" UserId="54677" />
  <row Id="2553" PostId="2663" Score="2" Text="No, `where can I learn about X` is not a specific question. I can answer `here!` and you can answer `there!` and Alice can answer `elsewhere!`, all three of which are great resources. Which one is THE answer? The SE network sites deal with _specific_ answers. Problems that can be _solved_. Asking for a list of references is not such an issue. The _right_ question would be &quot;How do I write mods for apache&quot;, ask for the information, not how to get it." CreationDate="2014-01-16T14:33:41.633" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2554" PostId="2643" Score="1" Text="@terdon If you want to disable the pc speaker for your xterm there are at least 3 correct ways for doing it (Mixer, X start scripts, X term configuration). All of them are valid, definitive answers. And thats a valid question. Some questions just do have more than one valid answer. That does not make them invalid." CreationDate="2014-01-16T14:35:28.297" UserId="54677" />
  <row Id="2555" PostId="2663" Score="0" Text="But &quot;How do I write mods for apache&quot; would be closed as too broad and correctly so. As the close reason &quot;too broad&quot; says: &quot;good answers would be too long for this format.&quot; So, no &quot;How do I write mods for apache&quot; is not the right question." CreationDate="2014-01-16T14:38:54.607" UserId="54677" />
  <row Id="2556" PostId="2663" Score="0" Text="(answering your comment from [here](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/2642/how-do-we-feel-about-requests-for-learning-materials/2643?noredirect=1#comment2554_2643) so we don't flood haziz with messages) Exactly, one of them (or all) will work for me and I can choose the one I ended up using. That's a specific problem with a specific answer. &quot;Where can I learn about xterm&quot; is not. It will generate a list of potentially thousands of different websites, all of which are findable through an internet search." CreationDate="2014-01-16T14:39:04.643" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2557" PostId="2663" Score="0" Text="And yes, &quot;how do I write mods for apache&quot; would be a bad question, I just used it as an example to contrast with &quot;where do I learn about...&quot;." CreationDate="2014-01-16T14:39:41.363" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2558" PostId="2663" Score="0" Text="I think we two won't reach a conclusion. I understand what you mean, I just disagree with it. From my point of view, everything that can be said about the answers to &quot;how do I disable beep in xterm&quot; can be said to the answers of &quot;where do I learn about xterm configuration&quot;" CreationDate="2014-01-16T14:42:24.050" UserId="54677" />
  <row Id="2559" PostId="2656" Score="1" Text="Putting to versions of the same question would only make it unclear, in my opinion." CreationDate="2014-01-16T18:40:35.667" UserId="14084" />
  <row Id="2560" PostId="2630" Score="0" Text="Don't cry, you've got 2844 rep anyway... And you have probably got atleast 15 rep from this question ;-)" CreationDate="2014-01-16T20:01:42.187" UserId="52956" />
  <row Id="2561" PostId="2564" Score="9" Text="SMOKING IS BAD FOR YOU *(apparently)* - though it doesn't show any smoke... +1" CreationDate="2014-01-16T20:03:41.880" UserId="52956" />
  <row Id="2562" PostId="2527" Score="1" Text="A troll incident - on some forums you get 10+ silly spammy questions/answers/edits in *one day*..." CreationDate="2014-01-16T20:05:42.607" UserId="52956" />
  <row Id="2563" PostId="2630" Score="0" Text="@wilf reputation doesn't count on meta" CreationDate="2014-01-16T20:08:11.737" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2564" PostId="2630" Score="0" Text="I sort of know.... Otherwise I would have -1000 on other forums etc" CreationDate="2014-01-16T20:09:26.340" UserId="52956" />
  <row Id="2565" PostId="2661" Score="1" Text="You can ask some questions about [Ubuntu Touch](http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/features) on [AskUbuntu](http://askubuntu.com/questions) - but some questions generally get pelted to death with 'duplicate's.." CreationDate="2014-01-16T20:10:24.597" UserId="52956" />
  <row Id="2566" PostId="2665" Score="1" Text="a) the Stack Exchange team will set up a blog for us; we don't have to run the server ourselves. b) I've already volunteered, but if you want to create some posts, that'd be lovely! see http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/q/2649/29146" CreationDate="2014-01-16T21:31:36.710" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2567" PostId="2649" Score="0" Text="I'm told that SE is working on making the blog, but they're having some problems with their Wordpress install in general. It is happening though" CreationDate="2014-01-17T19:34:41.873" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="2568" PostId="2654" Score="3" Text="It has a positive score right now and I think you got what you wanted in the end, but I might suggest your downvote problem on S.O. is because of superfluous defensiveness.  *Never* say &quot;please don't answer this question by telling me to go write the code myself&quot;, etc.  Deal with objections when they occur and not in advance, and instead focus on your question.  *Why* you are asking is also superfluous, unless it involves specific information integral to the question itself, which &quot;I'm learning&quot;, &quot;I want to understand&quot;, &quot;I was told to post here&quot;, etc do not." CreationDate="2014-01-19T20:29:32.220" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="2569" PostId="2657" Score="4" Text="+1 for suggesting to reference the other question.  You can also go back and edit/comment in a reference to the new question from the old one! This is how we keep things evolving, as opposed to re-volving ;)" CreationDate="2014-01-19T20:31:57.497" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="2570" PostId="2654" Score="2" Text="You are right. My defensiveness has been acquired from experience here! I didn't start off that way. It often feels like I don't have a chance to deal with objections. Questions can be closed immediately (although I understand maybe that policy has changed now). I would love to feel more welcomed and comfortable here. I keep trying to adjust the way I ask questions. You're seeing an example of that. I'm just trying to figure out what works here." CreationDate="2014-01-20T04:49:14.257" UserId="15010" />
  <row Id="2571" PostId="2633" Score="0" Text="@terdon does that actually work? if that wasn't a joke, you are my hero." CreationDate="2014-01-20T18:00:45.590" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2572" PostId="2633" Score="0" Text="@strugee often it does, yes. It kinda freaks them out and they pass you on to the next poor schmuck down the line until you hit an actual engineer who can help." CreationDate="2014-01-20T18:02:16.587" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2573" PostId="2649" Score="0" Text="@MichaelMrozek any word on whether they've fixed the problems?" CreationDate="2014-01-20T18:27:23.573" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2574" PostId="2649" Score="1" Text="@strugee Nope. They've also got to get their designer to make a theme for it. I'll check if I don't hear anything this week" CreationDate="2014-01-20T18:38:12.390" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="2575" PostId="2663" Score="2" Text="And in really they are different issues and questions. With the first you have defined clearly where you are and where you want to be, with the later you don't know where you are and where you want to go and expect us knowing that for you." CreationDate="2014-01-21T15:03:23.967" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="2576" PostId="2667" Score="0" Text="You're right, I've noticed here it referred to the gnome unity, apparently." CreationDate="2014-01-21T15:38:41.297" UserId="6426" />
  <row Id="2577" PostId="2667" Score="0" Text="Still, the question stands: I'll create a tag [tag:unity3d], and would it be fine to just copy the description?" CreationDate="2014-01-21T15:39:14.127" UserId="6426" />
  <row Id="2578" PostId="2667" Score="0" Text="@Lohoris - I would ask your Q of can we create a tag for X and refer to the other sites tags in the request. Then let the community decide here. Unity is a desktop in Ubuntu which is 100x more relevant here than what you're trying to reference." CreationDate="2014-01-21T15:55:49.970" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2579" PostId="2663" Score="0" Text="@Braiam Obviously I know I am at the beginning, else I would know how to look for answers. Its often quite hard to find courses or books about stuff you start learning about. Also, why they are different issues and questions the kind of answers are similar. You get more than one valid and each of them is likely to help you. And from my point of view Stack Exchange is about answers, questions are merely a necessary perquisite." CreationDate="2014-01-21T21:27:28.300" UserId="54677" />
  <row Id="2580" PostId="2649" Score="1" Text="BTW, if anyone is unaware of it, there is a chat room for the blogs: http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/115/stack-exchange-community-blogs" CreationDate="2014-01-22T15:41:43.050" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="2581" PostId="2584" Score="0" Text="@StephaneChazelas : I think this is a pretty common association -- [perldoc](http://perldoc.perl.org) has been using it for years too...although that web interface is really the work of a particular individual who may or may not be associated with the Foundation.  Be happy it's not [Duke](http://www.oracle.com/us/technologies/java/duke-424174.html)..." CreationDate="2014-01-24T19:38:50.047" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="2582" PostId="2668" Score="3" Text="+1 Great topic! It's really sad that this is only the second question ever asked here to be tagged `/fun` :)" CreationDate="2014-01-24T20:08:08.353" UserId="26909" />
  <row Id="2583" PostId="2674" Score="2" Text="Nice answer, Joseph. Thanks for writing!" CreationDate="2014-01-24T20:12:48.767" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="2584" PostId="2674" Score="1" Text="Thank _you_ for the question. It was really inspired :)" CreationDate="2014-01-24T20:13:51.553" UserId="26909" />
  <row Id="2585" PostId="2668" Score="19" Text="Isn't it what the _about me_ of your profile is for?" CreationDate="2014-01-25T10:34:39.087" UserId="22565" />
  <row Id="2586" PostId="2668" Score="32" Text="@StephaneChazelas: Well, maybe, but... your &quot;about me&quot; is blank. :-)" CreationDate="2014-01-25T11:34:42.907" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="2587" PostId="2676" Score="3" Text="Can you highlight some sample Q&amp;A's? Not to point blame but to put some examples to your point, otherwise it's difficult to know exactly what you're pointing out." CreationDate="2014-01-27T13:46:46.750" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2588" PostId="2679" Score="0" Text="I usually break out and go to Google search for this type of thing, or add in user names such as user:gilles or myself or whomever, but for your search you'd be correct that the noise is bad." CreationDate="2014-01-27T22:56:48.573" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2589" PostId="2679" Score="0" Text="https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/debian+installer You can search for multiple tags." CreationDate="2014-01-27T23:54:27.677" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="2590" PostId="2679" Score="0" Text="I think having a `debian-installer` tag would be reasonable." CreationDate="2014-01-28T00:23:19.103" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="2591" PostId="2679" Score="0" Text="@FaheemMitha I found one question that would use it and I have another to add." CreationDate="2014-01-28T00:25:07.917" UserId="52456" />
  <row Id="2592" PostId="2679" Score="0" Text="@hildred I assume you don't have the rep to add it. I think I do, but Let's see what others say first." CreationDate="2014-01-28T00:26:42.617" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="2593" PostId="2679" Score="0" Text="@FaheemMitha apparently I do (it only needs 300)." CreationDate="2014-01-28T00:30:05.973" UserId="52456" />
  <row Id="2594" PostId="2550" Score="4" Text="What benefit does the Twitter account have? I'm genuinely curious, I don't understand it. Why provide another layer of indirection over the top of the site, especially when the signal to noise of the questions highlighted there is typically so poor?" CreationDate="2014-01-28T09:33:55.083" UserId="10762" />
  <row Id="2601" PostId="2679" Score="0" Text="Search for [tag:debian] [tag:system-installation] (or [tag:debian] [tag:install] for older posts, but we're phasing out the [tag:install] tag)." CreationDate="2014-01-29T23:14:57.057" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="2603" PostId="2682" Score="2" Text="this is probably way more than you asked for. but whatever." CreationDate="2014-01-30T02:07:20.750" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2604" PostId="2683" Score="0" Text="My assumption is that none of the questions about tools are mutually exclusive; eg., I upvoted bash and zsh because I use both." CreationDate="2014-01-30T07:21:24.770" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="2605" PostId="2683" Score="0" Text="@jasonwryan the only things that are mutually exclusive are &quot;I use free software because ethics&quot; and &quot;free software because ethics, but with exceptions&quot;" CreationDate="2014-01-30T07:29:41.923" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2606" PostId="2700" Score="0" Text="you should upvote both answers." CreationDate="2014-01-30T07:30:35.020" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2607" PostId="2700" Score="1" Text="I did; but the conjuction has a slightly different and--for me--important connotation that is not captured by either of the other statements. I thought there may be some others here that feel the same way." CreationDate="2014-01-30T07:35:21.617" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="2608" PostId="2700" Score="0" Text="For example, [this statement](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/a/2686/6761) could be interpreted as &quot;I choose to use technically lesser but ethically superior software&quot;, which is only partially true (ie., the latter)." CreationDate="2014-01-30T07:37:22.673" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="2609" PostId="2678" Score="1" Text="+1 Esp. for making explicit the significance of &quot;teaching someone how to use manuals&quot;; doing it *well* by example counts, whereas just saying &quot;Go read it&quot; is at the low end of a pedagogical spectrum." CreationDate="2014-01-30T11:02:12.470" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="2610" PostId="2676" Score="0" Text="I understand the RTFM temptation but I think if you feel that way about a particular question that isn't also, e.g., a duplicate, then maybe you should move on and leave it to others to answer.  If you feel really strongly, the downvote button does mention &quot;lack of research effort&quot; as a justification. I didn't downvote this, BTW -- that seems inappropriate for a reasonably expressed *question*." CreationDate="2014-01-30T11:06:52.947" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="2612" PostId="2701" Score="1" Text="this answer is fine, but I assume you've also upvoted the appropriate questions?" CreationDate="2014-01-30T16:05:09.060" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2613" PostId="2649" Score="0" Text="Just an update on this - yes we're still waiting on a design. Sorry about the delay." CreationDate="2014-01-30T16:36:08.110" UserId="9541" />
  <row Id="2614" PostId="2649" Score="0" Text="thanks. is there an ETA?" CreationDate="2014-01-30T16:42:16.130" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2615" PostId="2686" Score="3" Text="This and the other questions about free vs. proprietary software and ethics vs. utility are slightly confused, like an upside-down STOP sign -- recognizable but incorrect.  The debate WRT ethics and utility *is not* about free vs. proprietary software, it is about **free vs. non-free OPEN source** (&quot;free&quot; being not as in beer).  The utilitarian argument for OSS demarcates the *technical* difference between free and non-free, which is a difference as technical as the difference between *open and closed* source.  These questions conflate free with non-free, then non-free but open with closed :\" CreationDate="2014-01-30T20:30:53.317" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="2616" PostId="2702" Score="1" Text="the edits can be rolled back to a previous revision. I assume you can do that yourself, otherwise a high-rep user or a mod on unix is needed..." CreationDate="2014-01-30T20:34:23.393" UserDisplayName="rene" />
  <row Id="2617" PostId="2702" Score="0" Text="@rene user has full edit rights over his/her own posts so this include rollback." CreationDate="2014-01-30T20:38:02.060" UserDisplayName="Shadow Wizard" />
  <row Id="2618" PostId="2702" Score="2" Text="Revert and add a comment (@ the user) suggesting that they add their own answer instead of heavily modifying yours.  That's a pretty substantial change, and a user with that much rep should know better." CreationDate="2014-01-30T20:38:36.373" UserId="8193" />
  <row Id="2619" PostId="2702" Score="0" Text="This should probably be on unix meta, not SO's meta" CreationDate="2014-01-30T20:40:04.433" UserId="34435" />
  <row Id="2620" PostId="2702" Score="4" Text="Yes that was pure radical change and plain rude in my opinion as a side viewer. In the revisions page you should see &quot;rollback&quot; link under the first revision, click it and like @Charles advised, leave comment to the editor using `@name` notation." CreationDate="2014-01-30T20:40:29.883" UserDisplayName="Shadow Wizard" />
  <row Id="2621" PostId="2702" Score="3" Text="You can link to this question if you feel uncomfortable in adressing the 'high-rep' user." CreationDate="2014-01-30T20:40:49.063" UserDisplayName="rene" />
  <row Id="2622" PostId="2702" Score="0" Text="Thanks, and I would have put this on the UL Meta, but for some reason my rep wasn't carrying over there," CreationDate="2014-01-30T20:51:22.667" UserId="57008" />
  <row Id="2623" PostId="2683" Score="0" Text="What do downvotes mean here?" CreationDate="2014-01-30T21:37:35.717" UserId="16404" />
  <row Id="2624" PostId="2683" Score="2" Text="@Anko nothing. hopefully no one downvotes anything, since that would mess up the totals unless you have 2k rep." CreationDate="2014-01-30T21:40:22.653" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2625" PostId="2706" Score="0" Text="Upvoted: particularly for the observation that active editing here is one of this site's strengths. It is a wiki afterall; we shouldn't be too precious about others improving answers." CreationDate="2014-01-31T19:58:16.673" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="2626" PostId="2706" Score="2" Text="@jasonwryan agreed. I do think it helps if the editor adds an explanation for the less obvious edits. It is strange if you end up with an answer that carries your name but which you don't understand." CreationDate="2014-01-31T20:02:55.193" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2627" PostId="2702" Score="0" Text="With the exception of meta.so (and that is [about to change](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/212631/203101)), all meta sites carry the reputation of their respective main sites. So, your rep on U&amp;L meta is the same as your rep on [unix.se]." CreationDate="2014-01-31T20:31:20.560" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2628" PostId="2706" Score="1" Text="Thank you for the feedback.  I think I would have been much less likely to rollback if the edit was in addition to as opposed to over the top of my answer.  I wouldn't even have minded if the answer was provided as a new one whether it was described as more portable than mine or otherwise.  I still do not know how to make the edited version change depth, and while that wasn't explicit in the OP's scope, it was implicit in my answer, even if mine was system dependant." CreationDate="2014-01-31T20:39:02.303" UserId="57008" />
  <row Id="2629" PostId="2706" Score="0" Text="@DavidWilkins yes it was, your answer allowed the OP to set the depth but i) only on systems that support it and ii) that was not part of the question. Also, and more importantly, your answer did not print the name of the matching file and _that_ is a problem. Anyway, as a general rule on the SE network, if you don't like an edit made to an answer (be it yours or not) you can roll it back. And remember that these sites are not forums, they are closer to wikis and the end result is community moderated, high quality answers. Aggressive editing is often expected." CreationDate="2014-01-31T20:41:41.963" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2631" PostId="689" Score="0" Text="I just started a canonical answers thread [here](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/q/2708/22222)." CreationDate="2014-02-01T15:55:25.963" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2636" PostId="2710" Score="0" Text="I posted a question and CW answer for this, feel free to edit: [How can I replace a string in a file(s)?](http://unix.stackexchange.com/q/112023)" CreationDate="2014-02-01T17:10:52.603" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2637" PostId="399" Score="0" Text="I like this design.  It's really classy and dignified." CreationDate="2014-02-02T04:35:01.067" UserId="58180" />
  <row Id="2638" PostId="2720" Score="4" Text="Hi slm. Impressive historical overview. I guessed it was you writing about a quarter of the way through this. :-)" CreationDate="2014-02-02T06:29:14.420" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="2639" PostId="2720" Score="1" Text="@FaheemMitha - I'll take that as a compliment 8-). It was fun actually trying to find out about all these old things I used to use. I was amazed at how much of it is still thriving. One interesting thing I noticed was it's hard to find photos of any of the older releases of Linux. I couldn't find any RHL 4 for example or older. I'm assuming the advent of digital photography would be the reason, but there is a bit of a line that cuts things off around years 1999-2000." CreationDate="2014-02-02T06:29:45.283" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2640" PostId="2720" Score="2" Text="You must have spent a lot of time putting this together. I sort of recognized your writing style, but there aren't many people here who would write something as detailed as this, and some of those would either not answer the question or aren't that interested in hardware. Suggestion: add approximate dates to some of the events your chronicle. After all, what is history without dates? :-)" CreationDate="2014-02-02T08:20:27.220" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="2641" PostId="2720" Score="6" Text="@FaheemMitha - I think I spent ~3hrs in researching and writing this up." CreationDate="2014-02-02T08:30:53.963" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2642" PostId="2719" Score="2" Text="Since you're new I'd like to formally welcome you to U&amp;L. I think you'll find that the ppl here are all friendly and of the SE sites I've frequented this is the one I choose to call &quot;home&quot; b/c they are. You'll also find some of the brightest minds to boot. I read your resolutions and I wish you luck in achieving them. I too have kids and started here for similar reasons, actually at the beginning of last year 8-). I've been on the site a long time but only used it in a readonly mode. Here's to us both continuing to use it in read/write." CreationDate="2014-02-02T08:45:42.163" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2643" PostId="2719" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the kind words.  This is my favorite place in the stackexchange webspace ; it's a good friendly community." CreationDate="2014-02-02T12:19:57.870" UserId="58180" />
  <row Id="2644" PostId="2720" Score="13" Text="You know you're getting old if you have to spend time researching your _own_ history ;)" CreationDate="2014-02-02T13:28:43.233" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2645" PostId="2678" Score="0" Text="A quick personal note: It was when I starting telling my MaraDNS users &quot;RTFM&quot; quite a bit on my old MaraDNS support mailing list (e.g. http://woodlane.webconquest.com/pipermail/list/2009-July/000338.html ) that I knew it was getting time to stop using a mailing list for MaraDNS support (I now use a MyBB forum)" CreationDate="2014-02-02T14:04:53.310" UserId="58180" />
  <row Id="2646" PostId="2720" Score="0" Text="@terdon - yeah but it was fun trying to recall memories that I hadn't had to in 20 years too. I still cannot remember the name of the computer company that made that 8088 system. It had some MS-DOS desktop app (I think called Omiworks) but couldn't find it. I really wanted a screenshot of that stuff." CreationDate="2014-02-02T14:28:06.030" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2647" PostId="2722" Score="0" Text="Confirmed it works. Thanks! Nice dig!" CreationDate="2014-02-02T17:32:43.987" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2648" PostId="2721" Score="1" Text="agreed, but we should either improve the title of the second question (it's not very discoverable), or get Michael to merge them" CreationDate="2014-02-02T19:42:19.667" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2649" PostId="2721" Score="0" Text="@strugee that's not that big of an issue, if the others are closed as dupes of this one, the other questions will serve as signposts to it." CreationDate="2014-02-02T19:43:23.520" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2650" PostId="2721" Score="0" Text="true. I still think it could be improved, though." CreationDate="2014-02-02T19:43:58.957" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2651" PostId="2721" Score="0" Text="@strugee go for it, you have the rep." CreationDate="2014-02-02T19:45:35.530" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2652" PostId="2721" Score="0" Text="way ahead of ya" CreationDate="2014-02-02T19:45:53.637" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2655" PostId="2683" Score="0" Text="How about &quot;I use Linux/*NIX as a server I log in to from another OS&quot;?" CreationDate="2014-02-02T23:51:36.983" UserId="58180" />
  <row Id="2656" PostId="2696" Score="0" Text="I have been using FVWM1 for a long long time.  I only recently made the transition to GNOME, mainly because using WPA from the command line in Linux is a moderate pain: http://www.janoszen.com/2013/03/26/using-wpa-from-the-linux-command-line/" CreationDate="2014-02-02T23:56:25.043" UserId="58180" />
  <row Id="2657" PostId="2683" Score="0" Text="@samiam go ahead and add it. I would also add a separate meta-&quot;I've viewed this&quot;-answer from that, so you can get accurate view counts. and make sure you update the index" CreationDate="2014-02-03T04:15:54.327" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2658" PostId="2683" Score="0" Text="With 27 people who have already answered the survey, it would skew the results too much.  I'm sure a lot of other people also use Windows/Mac (or even Android or Chrome) on the desktop then log in to Linux on another computer." CreationDate="2014-02-03T04:21:18.410" UserId="58180" />
  <row Id="2659" PostId="2720" Score="0" Text="Glad to meet you here on the forum.  Very instructive, as always." CreationDate="2014-02-03T04:23:37.107" UserId="58180" />
  <row Id="2660" PostId="2724" Score="0" Text="Can one of these be used as _the_ Q&amp;A on the subject?" CreationDate="2014-02-03T14:40:01.820" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2662" PostId="2696" Score="1" Text="@sam I've used `wicd` and more recently `netctl` to ease that wireless management pain. For a compromise, you could even run GNOME's `network-manager-applet` in a plain WM. Don't give up your shell! :D" CreationDate="2014-02-05T16:34:47.140" UserId="16404" />
  <row Id="2663" PostId="2724" Score="0" Text="@terdon no defintly not" CreationDate="2014-02-06T11:15:53.667" UserId="53092" />
  <row Id="2664" PostId="2708" Score="1" Text="yes That's a very good idea" CreationDate="2014-02-06T11:16:45.030" UserId="53092" />
  <row Id="2665" PostId="2729" Score="0" Text="I can confirm this in google-chrome 30.0.1599.114. It seems to only happen on [unix.se], at least it doesn't on [su]." CreationDate="2014-02-06T22:14:03.003" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2666" PostId="2728" Score="0" Text="There's this thing as silent agreement. 4 votes out 31 views is ok-ish." CreationDate="2014-02-06T23:06:09.060" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="2667" PostId="2728" Score="0" Text="Yeah, I was expecting a mod to step in eventually but we may as well have a &quot;No!&quot; answer." CreationDate="2014-02-06T23:07:32.980" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2668" PostId="2728" Score="0" Text="No downvotes. So, everyone agrees." CreationDate="2014-02-07T00:20:11.167" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="2670" PostId="2730" Score="0" Text="I thought that was what &quot;favoriting&quot; was supposed to do. As you say though, [&quot;not yet&quot;](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/53585/how-do-favorite-questions-work)." CreationDate="2014-02-09T15:40:43.330" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2671" PostId="2708" Score="0" Text="I like the idea, and just seen the first one, Thought I'd give some feedback. Having all the answers combined into one answer makes it difficult to provide comments, vote, and contribute new sub-answers to a particular sub question. Maybe separate answers would work better ? One of the interesting (and valuable) aspects of this site is the way it allows different users to provide answers and the voting system. Since this is not actually a wiki, I'm now running out of chars in this comment, will not be able to edit in 5 mins etc." CreationDate="2014-02-09T16:59:23.503" UserId="31760" />
  <row Id="2672" PostId="2708" Score="0" Text="@XTian my idea was to have one, all encompassing answer to close duplicates with. It's a community wiki answer so I get no rep from it and upvotes just indicate that it works. Since to the best of my knowledge, all the solutions mentioned in the [replace strings](http://unix.stackexchange.com/q/112023) Q work, I'm not sure if it would be better to have multiple answers. It might, I'm just not sure. Why don't you try making a similar canonical Q&amp;A on another subject and post multiple As? I think that's what Faheem is doing [here](http://unix.stackexchange.com/q/112157/4671)." CreationDate="2014-02-09T17:02:57.283" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2673" PostId="2732" Score="1" Text="Can you suggest an existing answer as a canonical one?" CreationDate="2014-02-09T19:27:47.410" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2674" PostId="2683" Score="1" Text="Putting that many survey options as answers is a bit messy (it would be nicer if the options were grouped thematically). Also, if people upvote many of your answers in a row, the serial vote reversal script will undo these votes. It would be better to have one answer per theme and one comment per option, like [meta.tex] does: [TeX Community Polls](http://meta.tex.stackexchange.com/questions/1564/tex-community-polls)" CreationDate="2014-02-09T20:17:38.620" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="2675" PostId="2708" Score="0" Text="Well I've had a go with [this question](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/114414/batch-renaming-of-files/114415#114415), wanted to choose a problem that had solutions that could be based on multiple technologies. It was funny, someone posted a perl solution whilst I was adding answers. But noticed their solution is not part of the community wiki ! Any way to ensure this ? It does allow popular answers to percolate up and comments per solution." CreationDate="2014-02-09T20:21:41.737" UserId="31760" />
  <row Id="2676" PostId="2683" Score="0" Text="@Gilles I wish I'd thought of that... I'll keep it in mind in case we ever do this again" CreationDate="2014-02-09T20:25:23.380" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2677" PostId="2708" Score="0" Text="Cool @XTian, thanks! Don't worry about the CW, I just did that cause I didn't think it was fair to advertise my answer here and then get loads of rep from it if it becomes the canonical. Making posts CW in this context means that you're inviting people to edit them and that you politely decline the rep. If another user posts an answer, let them." CreationDate="2014-02-09T20:33:51.760" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2678" PostId="2708" Score="0" Text="Actually, @XTian there is already a pretty good Q&amp;A on that [here](http://unix.stackexchange.com/q/1136/22222) (the one mentioned in my answer below). Most of the solutions you mention in your answer are already there and it is a nice, old and established post. I think it would be better to add any of your answers that are missing from it to that question instead of starting a whole new one." CreationDate="2014-02-09T20:43:36.460" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2679" PostId="2703" Score="0" Text="Why the downvote? The GIMP one was mostly copied, but I had to design this..." CreationDate="2014-02-09T21:09:37.273" UserId="52956" />
  <row Id="2682" PostId="2708" Score="0" Text="Judging from your and other comments directly on the post, maybe it's not a good idea to duplicate the question again. So ' ... compile a list ..' means just that, a list of canonical questions. Stackoverflow doesn't have lists like this (afaik), so only way to achieve this is to write a new question, which is where I came in. The answers, if we could write such a question, would simply be references to popular q+a's that are already in existence and maybe it would be these links that are voted up/down." CreationDate="2014-02-10T00:38:35.397" UserId="31760" />
  <row Id="2683" PostId="2703" Score="1" Text="Maybe because Bluefish is just another editor, while GIMP is indispensable. Just a hint. I not know Bluefish enough, so I not voted on this." CreationDate="2014-02-10T09:42:29.637" UserId="10412" />
  <row Id="2684" PostId="2731" Score="0" Text="My grammar may not be the best, but it sounds like the 'it' is referring to the 'specific problem' from the first sentence." CreationDate="2014-02-10T11:49:02.667" UserId="46659" />
  <row Id="2685" PostId="2731" Score="0" Text="@minerz029 Ah, but can a problem be _written_? It can be _described_ or _explained_ or even _written down_ but _written_ alone? It is the question that describes the problem that is written, not the problem itself." CreationDate="2014-02-10T14:58:58.257" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2686" PostId="2708" Score="0" Text="@XTian this particular question happens to be already answered quite well in the post I link to below. We tend to avoid creating duplicated info (that is actually the whole point of this thread). It's a shame because the Q&amp;A you posted is indeed very good (and appreciated) but since the info already exists it seems pointless to duplicate. Perhaps you could post your answer to the other post, adding anything not already mentioned there?" CreationDate="2014-02-10T15:16:56.160" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2687" PostId="2713" Score="0" Text="I've added missing answers to that post. Except the generic pattern." CreationDate="2014-02-10T18:35:06.933" UserId="31760" />
  <row Id="2688" PostId="2713" Score="0" Text="@XTian that was quite useful though (very nice explanation), perhaps you could add it to your answer?" CreationDate="2014-02-10T18:36:07.597" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2689" PostId="2571" Score="1" Text="An ad for Nginx will be a good idea. You should improve the design." CreationDate="2014-02-11T01:24:20.883" UserId="31579" />
  <row Id="2690" PostId="2640" Score="0" Text="Too local. Maybe create a portal to several similar projects." CreationDate="2014-02-11T01:25:04.543" UserId="31579" />
  <row Id="2692" PostId="2640" Score="0" Text="@Dereckson Sure, with only about 10 people it needs to be (somewhat – we do currently try to be present in many places in Germany already) local. But without any advertising, we cannot grow that much (henn/egg problem). But we’re willing to partner with related projects of course." CreationDate="2014-02-11T10:05:13.570" UserId="43720" />
  <row Id="2693" PostId="2633" Score="0" Text="Definitly not a product with future, no offence for developers but an OS that start supporting 32bits only without relying on existing basis is lead to stay a very marginal product used only by there developers. that's only my personnal opinion but starting an OS now with the whole diversity and complexity of hardware (compare to the 90's) is a nice but fullish dream. (see reactOS... react what ?)" CreationDate="2014-02-11T13:46:34.057" UserId="53092" />
  <row Id="2694" PostId="2733" Score="1" Text="I know that someones miss the good oldfashion logo, but now deal with it it's the ugly http://design.ubuntu.com/wp-content/uploads/ubuntu-logo14.png" CreationDate="2014-02-11T13:49:12.357" UserId="53092" />
  <row Id="2695" PostId="141" Score="0" Text="let's put some html5 non compatible with ie8/7/6 and some SVG so we can lough at windowsians who still uses XP.&#xA;Mouhahahahahahahaha" CreationDate="2014-02-11T13:56:44.873" UserId="53092" />
  <row Id="2696" PostId="2735" Score="0" Text="This is when you're doing it under the actual Q, right? This seems to be how it works. If the OP leaves a comment, you can then @ him/her, if you try to do this before they've left a comment then it will erase it on you." CreationDate="2014-02-11T18:17:58.200" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2697" PostId="2735" Score="0" Text="&lt;--- I just typed your name and it's gone now! Now leave a comment!" CreationDate="2014-02-11T18:18:26.840" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2698" PostId="2735" Score="2" Text="The OP always gets notified of comments on their posts. So we strip out the @name as it is just noise." CreationDate="2014-02-11T19:21:49.543" UserId="32138" />
  <row Id="2699" PostId="2735" Score="0" Text="@slm Test: Does this change the behaviour?" CreationDate="2014-02-11T19:22:45.050" UserId="32191" />
  <row Id="2700" PostId="2735" Score="0" Text="@HaukeLaging &lt;--- just typed your name again. See now that you commented your name shows up 8-)" CreationDate="2014-02-11T19:24:31.877" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2701" PostId="2735" Score="0" Text="@Oded - notice that it now allows the name to show up? I always assumed that the OP's name showed up here so that if ppl were @'ing each other that we could distinguish comments directed to the OP, but only after he/she commented at least 1 time." CreationDate="2014-02-11T19:28:14.250" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2702" PostId="2735" Score="1" Text="@slm - If only one other person commented, then there is never confusion, which is why we strip it out. However, after a third person enters into comments, disambiguation may be needed, so we don't." CreationDate="2014-02-11T19:29:57.530" UserId="32138" />
  <row Id="2703" PostId="2735" Score="0" Text="OK so the 3rd person joining is what triggers it, not the OP leaving a comment?" CreationDate="2014-02-11T19:30:44.947" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2704" PostId="2739" Score="0" Text="I did not find a good answer about this but if you have one, I take it. Also I will start to work on an answer." CreationDate="2014-02-12T11:08:02.527" UserId="53092" />
  <row Id="2705" PostId="2576" Score="10" Text="please find another picture... this one is scary" CreationDate="2014-02-14T14:23:15.500" UserId="53092" />
  <row Id="2706" PostId="2584" Score="0" Text="I though it was TOR O_O" CreationDate="2014-02-14T14:24:19.693" UserId="53092" />
  <row Id="2707" PostId="2745" Score="0" Text="It does seems that the behavior just change because I don't issue the problem anymore. Now it does display question related to this tag and not that strange message. what was strange is the fact the message told you are under an non existing tab" CreationDate="2014-02-18T13:49:18.540" UserId="53092" />
  <row Id="2708" PostId="2747" Score="0" Text="That might be my plan B 8-)" CreationDate="2014-02-20T17:57:20.260" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2709" PostId="2746" Score="0" Text="According to [this answer](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/105314/186664) on [metase] you should be able to see it the next day on your profile page -&gt; reputation -&gt; time. But that is not available on the day it happens itself." CreationDate="2014-02-20T18:22:25.187" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="2710" PostId="2746" Score="2" Text="First world problem: *I have some many accepted answers, I don't know which one gets unaccepted when one does* &gt;:-)" CreationDate="2014-02-20T18:27:47.833" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="2711" PostId="2746" Score="0" Text="I've wanted to ask this Q for months and didn't for that exact reason 8-). But today it happened and I couldn't take it anymore. 8-)" CreationDate="2014-02-20T18:29:14.333" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2712" PostId="2746" Score="0" Text="When I look at the rep url: http://unix.stackexchange.com/reputation I don't see any -15's can anyone else confirm that they show up there?" CreationDate="2014-02-20T18:33:49.177" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2713" PostId="2746" Score="0" Text="I haven't seen them either and I know I had some unaccepted, so maybe the line at the bottom of that answer is out of date." CreationDate="2014-02-20T18:35:56.777" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="2714" PostId="2749" Score="1" Text="In principle I agree that everything little bit helps, and that we should be grateful for that. When new, ungrammatical parts are introduced in a edit (not with this particular user) I try reject and comment on that. I just get the feeling (no statistics) that suggested editors do not notice their edits get rejected unless most of them are, and they notice not gaining any points. I rather be able to leave them a positive message asking &quot;Can you watch out for X and Y while editing, then more of your edits would be acceptable without change&quot;. The current system discourages instead of encourages." CreationDate="2014-02-21T05:53:09.300" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="2715" PostId="2749" Score="1" Text="@Anthon Yes, one of the drawbacks of the site is the limited avenues for interaction; it does inhibit the ability for people to coach and encourage newcomers." CreationDate="2014-02-21T08:11:06.427" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="2716" PostId="2749" Score="0" Text="Maybe we should suggest changes for some more positive way to leave comments? I also don't remember how and if you are notified on what happens with suggested edits, so that makes thinking about what to do (and what the system might already be doing) difficult. And if I remembered, it might have changed with the new taskbar anyway." CreationDate="2014-02-21T08:16:10.707" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="2717" PostId="2746" Score="0" Text="Maybe a SE site where users can try the effects of certain action would be helpful. Some place where I could put a fake question that you could answer and I could then accept and unaccept. Without the fake answer being deleted by other users/moderator. With a certain rep level on another SE site needed before you were allowed to try things out there. That could also help with understanding what exactly happens with my suggested editors meta question." CreationDate="2014-02-21T08:22:08.923" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="2718" PostId="2749" Score="0" Text="@Anthon You could open a feature request, but my sense is that it is by design. From time to time I find it frustrating (I pretty much refuse to use chat because it is so broken), but most of the time I am just resigned to the fact that this is how it works here..." CreationDate="2014-02-21T08:35:34.233" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="2719" PostId="2746" Score="0" Text="My fault, I shamelessly posted an [answer](http://unix.stackexchange.com/a/116129/22222) and stole your hard earned check mark :)" CreationDate="2014-02-21T16:38:54.717" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2720" PostId="2741" Score="4" Text="This is a good initiative but **please** do not add definitions to the tag descriptions, that is **not** what they're for! If you want to do this kind of work (and that's great), read [this blog post](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2011/08/improved-tagging/). The excerpt should not be a definition unless it is an obscure concept, it should instead be an explanation of when this tag should be used." CreationDate="2014-02-21T17:08:31.663" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2721" PostId="2749" Score="0" Text="+1 I'm very wordy, lol, and sometimes find the &quot;limited avenues for interaction&quot; frustrating too BUT also recognize that might be for the best...ultimately time spent pursing details such as this with individual people might be better spent just doing edits yourself, etc (after all, they aren't doing anything *wrong,* they're just not doing as much as you'd like). My pseudo-Taoist mixed metaphor of the day: Act like water and work within the form, the fish should thrive, big and little in each their own way ;D" CreationDate="2014-02-22T14:56:19.867" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="2722" PostId="2749" Score="0" Text="@goldilocks Indeed; swimming with the flow seems the most rewarding approach. :)" CreationDate="2014-02-22T18:45:09.530" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="2723" PostId="2752" Score="0" Text="I was not aware of this." CreationDate="2014-02-23T18:37:16.350" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="2725" PostId="2754" Score="4" Text="Do you mean &quot;you get less rep per vote&quot;, or &quot;there's less voting&quot;? The reputation gain/loss from a given event is the same as all other non-beta SE sites; I'm not sure about the average vote counts per post" CreationDate="2014-02-24T00:35:26.017" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="2726" PostId="2752" Score="0" Text="no, it doesn't notify. but notification will be implemented &quot;sometime in the future&quot;" CreationDate="2014-02-24T01:01:15.820" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2727" PostId="2752" Score="0" Text="This is the most important reason I favorite questions... monitoring." CreationDate="2014-02-24T01:03:47.380" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="2728" PostId="2754" Score="0" Text="@MichaelMrozek I guess that is what I wanted to know; Whether this site is programmed by its moderators to give less reputation per action or not?" CreationDate="2014-02-24T08:07:16.317" UserId="39845" />
  <row Id="2729" PostId="2756" Score="0" Text="Yes, perhaps it all boils down to people on other sites being more lenient to vote or maybe just sheer number of users, hence a higher likelihood of someone voting." CreationDate="2014-02-24T08:53:16.757" UserId="39845" />
  <row Id="2730" PostId="2754" Score="0" Text="@on4aa I read your answer too Michael's comment completely different than your OP (which I interpret as more being based on other people voting/you being able to provide the most acceptable answer). Could you uprove your Q to make that more clear?" CreationDate="2014-02-24T08:55:27.943" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="2731" PostId="2754" Score="0" Text="@Anthon I left my question purposely quite open in order to catch all possible answers. Here on meta that should not be of much concern, I may hope." CreationDate="2014-02-24T09:00:24.457" UserId="39845" />
  <row Id="2732" PostId="2754" Score="0" Text="@on4aa No it is not a concern, but I would not have come up with my answer if I had not read the exchange between you and Michael. Others might not read that far. From that point it is better to extend your Q if you want a more diverse set of answers." CreationDate="2014-02-24T09:03:47.677" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="2734" PostId="2741" Score="0" Text="@terdon ok I will take this in consideration, also thank you for the tag edit link, I didn't know how to make a tag link. Also there is just in letter A very stange question and eitheir wiki and excerpt are almost impossible to write without the input of others, like tag /advanced. I will continu to update the list and write excerpt and wiki if possible but I can't define some tag and they should be define" CreationDate="2014-02-24T09:52:58.037" UserId="53092" />
  <row Id="2735" PostId="2757" Score="0" Text="Regarding your last paragraph, I think it had to do with the site getting out of Beta (i.e. graduating)." CreationDate="2014-02-24T16:38:03.513" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="2736" PostId="2758" Score="0" Text="It also seems to me that U&amp;L could benefit from a bit more lenient voting, even though if it were only to motivate posters. I do admit that is difficult to strike the right balance; too quick voting on the first answer as seen on some other sites neither is desirable." CreationDate="2014-02-24T17:15:51.500" UserId="39845" />
  <row Id="2737" PostId="2757" Score="0" Text="Yes, the rep levels are standard as well. Mod tools: 10k for all non-beta sites, and 2k for beta." CreationDate="2014-02-25T11:29:08.190" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2738" PostId="2608" Score="0" Text="That is the normal behavior for &lt;2k rep users. All edits need to be at least 6 characters, how did you do the others?" CreationDate="2014-02-25T11:54:03.570" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2739" PostId="2752" Score="0" Text="Yes, and it doesn't work. See [here](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/53585/how-do-favorite-questions-work) and [here](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/q/2730/22222)." CreationDate="2014-02-25T12:28:00.007" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2740" PostId="2761" Score="0" Text="It's OK if you pick the wrong one, so your selection of mine was fine, originally (not saying mine was wrong, jus the selection was fine). Most SE sites are littered with Q&amp;A's where there is an accept but then an A that has 2x the votes along side it, this is usually a change in the tech that led to this new A being better, but the OP never bothered to change it." CreationDate="2014-02-25T14:50:42.447" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2741" PostId="2741" Score="0" Text="We do need to organize some tag cleaning but this isn't the way to do it. It's impossible to review a monster thread like this. If there's discussion to be had about a tag, it needs a separate meta question, one per tag or group of closely-related tags. We don't need a discussion for every tag, for example [tag:advanced] is very obviously a meta tag and should be removed." CreationDate="2014-02-26T03:29:35.060" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="2742" PostId="2741" Score="1" Text="[tag:resolution] is used pretty consistently for what it was intended, which is display resolution, but it wouldn't hurt to rename the tag to [tag:screen-resolution] or [tag:display-resolution]. [tag:size] is about the size of something; while it doesn't make sense on its own, it has an objective meaning, so it's fine." CreationDate="2014-02-26T03:31:52.823" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="2743" PostId="2743" Score="0" Text="I haven't gone through all your list, there's just too much stuff. [tag:authorization] caught my eye: it's a clear concept (if not very well understood to people without a security background), see [Security.SE](http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/authorization)." CreationDate="2014-02-26T03:33:33.627" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="2744" PostId="2743" Score="0" Text="@Gilles hope you get some sleep, I understand what an authorization is but it miss an excerpt because it's used for so different topics" CreationDate="2014-02-26T08:14:01.573" UserId="53092" />
  <row Id="2745" PostId="2673" Score="0" Text="hey why terdon get more upvote than the other ?" CreationDate="2014-02-26T16:11:28.857" UserId="53092" />
  <row Id="2746" PostId="2673" Score="11" Text="@Kiwy 'cause I'm cooler. Obviously." CreationDate="2014-02-26T16:15:41.247" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2747" PostId="2673" Score="0" Text="@terddon Obviously indeed" CreationDate="2014-02-27T08:43:08.860" UserId="53092" />
  <row Id="2748" PostId="2768" Score="0" Text="I don't understand, you've accepted an answer using inotify which is the same basic idea as in the dupe. How does your question differ? If you watch a directory, you can cat new files as they are created which is what you seem to want to do." CreationDate="2014-02-27T14:42:39.627" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2749" PostId="2768" Score="1" Text="So does every question that could be answered using `rsync` count as a duplicate of some other question answered with an `rsync` solution?" CreationDate="2014-02-27T14:46:06.467" UserId="57008" />
  <row Id="2750" PostId="2768" Score="1" Text="Of course not but here, the basic trick is to use inotify which can monitor both files and directories in the same basic way. Also, remember that dupes are not deleted, they act as sign posts to the duplicate." CreationDate="2014-02-27T14:48:47.077" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2751" PostId="2768" Score="0" Text="@terdon Fair enough, but what would be a better way (or is there a better way) of guiding future information seekers to the aforementioned question?  My searches for information on doing something with files as they are created fell short and I am not a novice searcher." CreationDate="2014-02-27T14:55:00.907" UserId="57008" />
  <row Id="2752" PostId="2768" Score="2" Text="That's what I mean, now, people will find _your_ question, that's the difference between closed and deleted. You're quite right that the link was not evident but thanks to your question, it now will be." CreationDate="2014-02-27T14:56:09.717" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2753" PostId="2770" Score="0" Text="Graeme I'm quite comforted by the fact that I was not alone in questioning this.  I'm reassured by @terdon and his discussion here that regardless, my question and your answer can potentially be of help to future users." CreationDate="2014-02-27T17:38:05.200" UserId="57008" />
  <row Id="2754" PostId="2769" Score="0" Text="I'm confused, so please bear with me...How was I supposed to translate from my question regarding &quot;files as they are created&quot; to &quot;monitor&quot;, &quot;watch&quot;, or &quot;track&quot; a file?  Even if I look for &quot;watch directory&quot; or &quot;monitor directory&quot; I still see nothing close to what I was originally looking for." CreationDate="2014-02-27T17:40:50.657" UserId="57008" />
  <row Id="2755" PostId="2769" Score="0" Text="On the other hand, extrapolating a little...  &quot;Check for new files&quot;  gives me this as the top result:  http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/24952/script-to-monitor-folder-for-new-files  which, in my opinion, my question is a closer duplicate of...  Hindsight being closer to 20/20 and all" CreationDate="2014-02-27T17:45:55.073" UserId="57008" />
  <row Id="2756" PostId="2769" Score="0" Text="@David, yeah, that is much closer. I vote that at a minimum we get a mod to change it to that one. I think there is still a good case for yours being different though. The requirement to view contents and the possible race conditions are a significant nuance." CreationDate="2014-02-27T18:12:55.823" UserId="48083" />
  <row Id="2757" PostId="2769" Score="0" Text="@DavidWilkins - those were just suggestions, I hadn't searched any of those. My point was in trying to adjust your search parameters, nothing more." CreationDate="2014-02-27T18:34:36.520" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2758" PostId="2769" Score="1" Text="@DavidWilkins - also no one here is a god, we are ppl, same as you, trying to manage the site, so it's always best to ask questions, if something isn't clear or is blatantly wrong always pipe up about it, we're all trying to make the body of work here as good as possible!" CreationDate="2014-02-27T18:36:10.527" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2759" PostId="2770" Score="0" Text="@DavidWilkins (and Graeme) personally, I would not have closed that Q but I am happy to leave it closed precisely because Graeme gave you a good answer. I agree that a non-expert (which includes me by the way) could have a hard time translating watching a directory to watching a file but since Graeme showed you how, I feel it is a valid duplicate. Had you not received any answers, I would have voted to reopen." CreationDate="2014-02-28T00:11:03.840" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2760" PostId="2770" Score="1" Text="@terdon I think mostly what has happened here is that some of the people who have been here for some time know these questions have been asked before. So it wasn't so much a question of whether it was a dupe, but what it was a dupe of. In this case the one chosen wasn't such a good match. the one mentioned on slm's answer is though." CreationDate="2014-02-28T00:20:46.647" UserId="48083" />
  <row Id="2761" PostId="2768" Score="0" Text="@terdon this question too - http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/117074/how-to-notice-log-file-changes-with-linux-standard-tools/117092. Monitoring a log is better done through `syslog` if possible, here I think it would actually benefit from an answer for other `syslog` implementations." CreationDate="2014-02-28T00:25:34.010" UserId="48083" />
  <row Id="2762" PostId="2770" Score="0" Text="OK, I'll try and get it reassigned." CreationDate="2014-02-28T00:29:01.453" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2764" PostId="2768" Score="0" Text="The question has now been reopened and closed as a duplicate of the right one." CreationDate="2014-02-28T16:58:37.090" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2765" PostId="2771" Score="0" Text="Certain badges get applied every 30 mins or so, some are only daily!" CreationDate="2014-03-01T15:47:35.617" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2766" PostId="2772" Score="0" Text="You sure tags edits doesn't count? Tag edits are counted now as normal edits." CreationDate="2014-03-02T05:25:44.343" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="2767" PostId="2777" Score="3" Text="Hey! Welcome to 10k! :)" CreationDate="2014-03-02T17:09:25.683" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2768" PostId="2778" Score="0" Text="And I voted to delete it. I think I downvoted it so that I could vote to delete it too. I generally like to get this cruft out of the way. I don't see a lot of value in keeping a bunch of answers such as this on the site which are really just comments anyway. And I agree with Terdon's assessment, we generally try to work together too in the chatroom, no need bumping into each other. Our site's volume is low enough that most of us see everything that comes in and we try to coordinate our decision making." CreationDate="2014-03-02T17:15:26.400" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2769" PostId="2778" Score="0" Text="@slm yeah, I voted to delete too." CreationDate="2014-03-02T17:15:41.703" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2770" PostId="2778" Score="1" Text="And by all means, we all make mistakes so if you see something you don't agree w/ bring it up in chat, we regularly reverse closed Q's either b/c someone sheds new light on them or we'll coordinate a cleanup and then cycle it through all of us to get it reopened." CreationDate="2014-03-02T17:18:32.293" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2771" PostId="2778" Score="0" Text="I guess it seldom happens that people vote for deletion and someone else considers it &quot;a good answer&quot; ;-)  I just think there might be a difference between &quot;bad answer&quot; and &quot;delete it&quot;. But in this case my assessment has moved towards deleting, too. BTW: Depends deletion (like closing) just on the number of votes or is always a mod necessary for this?" CreationDate="2014-03-02T17:24:29.797" UserId="32191" />
  <row Id="2772" PostId="2772" Score="0" Text="@Braiam According to [this post](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/84767/145982) they don't, but it might've changed I guess" CreationDate="2014-03-02T17:24:57.573" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="2773" PostId="2773" Score="0" Text="I'm not sure what you did, but all the SE sites run the same code, so I don't think there's a Unix-specific bug to fix" CreationDate="2014-03-02T17:27:31.653" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="2774" PostId="2778" Score="0" Text="@HaukeLaging &gt;20k users can delete answers also, see [here](http://unix.stackexchange.com/help/privileges/trusted-user)." CreationDate="2014-03-02T17:35:24.660" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2775" PostId="2776" Score="0" Text="So to clarify, we lose reputation from things we did if the things we did were done to users who were removed? That seems... hmmm..." CreationDate="2014-03-02T23:52:34.433" UserId="16235" />
  <row Id="2776" PostId="2776" Score="0" Text="@Suchipi - Yes, that's the cost of providing an A to someone that is using their account for things that violate the terms of the SE sites. This is the lesser of 2 evils, the alternative would be to let them keep their accts. and continue to cause mayhem. Losing rep and the removal of their Q&amp;A's is the damage that's done. I'm not gonna tell you it isn't annoying, but this is why I emphasize trying to detect it as early as possible to contain the annoyance!" CreationDate="2014-03-02T23:56:42.060" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2777" PostId="2776" Score="0" Text="But it also happens when users arbitrarily remove their accounts themselves, right? If anything, that seems to be /enabling/ those users to affect the community negatively, since everyone that has helped them loses reputation when they ragequit." CreationDate="2014-03-03T00:49:07.490" UserId="16235" />
  <row Id="2778" PostId="2776" Score="0" Text="@Suchipi - I don't believe that's the case if the user decides to remove their account. Once a Q has been A'ed the OP cannot delete the Q's either. Only the community and the mods can vote to do that." CreationDate="2014-03-03T00:59:06.817" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2779" PostId="2776" Score="1" Text="@Suchipi - I would put it this way, we can either hide in our houses in fear or go out and live our lives, there are always going to be jerks in your world, don't let them control you otherwise they've already won!" CreationDate="2014-03-03T01:00:08.997" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2780" PostId="2777" Score="1" Text="I think it's odd that the button says &quot;flag *or disagree*&quot; but AFAICT there is no subsequent option to &quot;disagree&quot;.  All you can do is add or not add more flags. Which is kind of like a ballot with three options *&quot;Yes&quot;, &quot;Yes -- but&quot;, &quot;Yes -- and&quot;*..." CreationDate="2014-03-04T19:28:36.970" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="2781" PostId="2777" Score="0" Text="Sorry, dude. Didn't mean to make it difficult." CreationDate="2014-03-04T21:56:20.897" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="2782" PostId="2778" Score="0" Text="I agree.  That was a stupid answer." CreationDate="2014-03-04T21:57:35.533" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="2783" PostId="2778" Score="1" Text="@mikeserv no worries, happens to the best of us :)" CreationDate="2014-03-04T22:00:04.140" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2784" PostId="2778" Score="1" Text="Among whom I am not one, but, in fairness, it was a pretty stupid question. I can't say I agree completely with the taboo on asking for clarification; too often the best way to teach is to ask. Socrates thought so, anyway." CreationDate="2014-03-04T22:03:03.130" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="2785" PostId="2778" Score="2" Text="@mikeserv there is absolutely no taboo on asking for clarifications. That's exactly what comments are for, the point is that _answers_ should not be used in this way." CreationDate="2014-03-04T22:03:48.877" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2786" PostId="2778" Score="1" Text="Touche, terdon. And thanks for the correction." CreationDate="2014-03-04T22:05:01.313" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="2787" PostId="2781" Score="0" Text="Please don't use answers on U&amp;L as scratchpads for a book/blog of yours. You're creating a broken window &amp; putting it in the spotlight with all your edits. If the question is sufficiently detailed to be answered, it should be re-opened (a mod un-CW'd it after all). If you plan on releasing some of that on the U&amp;L blog I'm sure discussing that content _here_ would be fine too. Or post your draft somewhere and discuss it in chat." CreationDate="2014-03-05T18:45:59.227" UserId="5842" />
  <row Id="2788" PostId="2785" Score="1" Text="I'm aware this will probably get downvoted here, but in my opinion it's the best solution if you have to deal with this stuff (well, better than using a browser in Wine or even using a VM). Please tell me if you think this ad could be improved, or download the source file: http://www.pwnicorn.tk/public/AU-Pipelight_xcf" CreationDate="2014-03-05T22:09:44.593" UserId="57552" />
  <row Id="2790" PostId="2786" Score="1" Text="On the one hand, I tend to agree with you. I think that most commandline questions from AU would find a better home here for example. Conversely, we tend to be command line geeks and GUI questions often don't get the attention they deserve and might be better treated (if on topic) on AU. However, we really really need to be mindful of the 1st rule if we do this. We should also clarify the lines between the two sites and lay down clear rules on what we want to migrate." CreationDate="2014-03-06T00:50:43.823" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2791" PostId="2786" Score="0" Text="@terdon that's why the discussion tag ;)" CreationDate="2014-03-06T01:08:58.830" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="2792" PostId="2788" Score="1" Text="Yes, but that creates more work for the mods and takes more time. What @Braiam is suggesting would let the community be able to handle this with no mod intervention." CreationDate="2014-03-06T01:10:46.137" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2793" PostId="2788" Score="0" Text="Agreed. I just don't see--based on the stats--that it would create enough additional work to justify an option. Granted only a Mod can really answer that, though..." CreationDate="2014-03-06T01:12:39.540" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="2794" PostId="2788" Score="2" Text="The thing is that the stats are misleading. Since only mods can migrate to AU, the rest of us don't so, perforce, not that many questions get migrated. Nevertheless, both of us hang out here enough to read most Qs and I agree that there are very very few I'd consider migrating to AU. Incoming questions would be far more than the ones we migrate away I think." CreationDate="2014-03-06T01:14:32.400" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2795" PostId="2788" Score="2" Text="So AU needs an option and we are fine? :)" CreationDate="2014-03-06T01:18:35.460" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="2796" PostId="2788" Score="2" Text="Kinda, yes. I mean, nobody _needs_ it but I would expect to see many more Qs coming here from AU than the other way around. I've been active here for about a year now and have only seen maybe one or two Qs I'd move to AU if I'd had the choice. I've seen many on AU I'd love to see here though, despite spending far less time there." CreationDate="2014-03-06T01:20:12.447" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2797" PostId="2788" Score="0" Text="Are &quot;Close &gt; Off-Topic &gt; Other (add a comment)&quot; votes passed to a moderator? I guessed that I have to flag for moderator attention in order to get questions migrated (except for SO, of course)." CreationDate="2014-03-06T02:49:03.303" UserId="32191" />
  <row Id="2798" PostId="2788" Score="0" Text="@HaukeLaging Apparently [not always](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/116809/sftp-server-security)..." CreationDate="2014-03-06T02:52:17.193" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="2799" PostId="2786" Score="0" Text="We've got a few similar questions for other sites; see my answer [here](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/1410/can-we-have-server-fault-or-other-se-site-as-an-off-topic-choice/1413#1413), for example, which mentions AU specifically" CreationDate="2014-03-06T03:32:03.007" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="2800" PostId="2788" Score="0" Text="@jasonwryan How do you know? Flagging for migration need not lead to the moderator share your opinion. :-)" CreationDate="2014-03-06T04:33:38.153" UserId="32191" />
  <row Id="2801" PostId="2788" Score="0" Text="@HaukeLaging Some of the posts I have adopted that approach with in the past have been migrated. I guess it just depends on if the mods see it and feel that it is a reasonable move." CreationDate="2014-03-06T05:06:09.700" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="2802" PostId="2791" Score="0" Text="What is the difference between a close vote and a close flag? Five close votes (from 3K) put a question on hold. At least that is my current impression." CreationDate="2014-03-06T07:27:28.723" UserId="32191" />
  <row Id="2803" PostId="2791" Score="1" Text="That's correct. And no amount of close flags will put a question on hold by themselves. But they are visible to 10k users in the 10k tools, and contribute to getting questions in the close review queue (can't remember exactly when/how that happens, not sure a single flag is enough). Close votes are not flags. Close flags are not votes. You get a quota of flags and a quota of close votes (and another for deletions, and another for comment flags, and...), they're counted separately." CreationDate="2014-03-06T07:51:41.010" UserId="5842" />
  <row Id="2804" PostId="2789" Score="0" Text="We could add some thrill to the reviewing by getting more points the longer you have a review open (as a measure of more work). Then you can try to leave it open longer, but run the risk of someone else reviewing and you loosing the ability to finalize the review task. This would be like a [Dutch auction](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_auction) with the reward going up instead of the price going down." CreationDate="2014-03-06T08:10:34.407" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="2805" PostId="2781" Score="0" Text="@Mat Point taken. I'm not sure what you mean by &quot;broken window&quot; -- if it's the fact the answer is in two parts, the first answering the question as it was originally and the second with revisions made by the OP, that seems like a subjective call -- unless you want to request enforceable rules around this, in which case someone has to police *questions* which feature &quot;revisions&quot;. Not a good practice, I agree; but I was simply responding to that in a positive way. I.e., it was not simply a &quot;scratchpad for a book/blog&quot;, and the OP did indicate in comments s/he appreciated the additional advice..." CreationDate="2014-03-06T14:28:58.577" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="2806" PostId="2781" Score="0" Text="...In short: I see stuff here written in a form or style I do not like, but I respect it takes a plurality of voices.  We could make up more rules to corral everyone into a more specific vision, but IMO that's the wrong way to go.  So while I empathize with your opinion, I'll stand behind what I've done in the original question.  However, if you think *this* question is inappropriate to meta, I will delete without hard feelings ;)" CreationDate="2014-03-06T14:31:43.493" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="2807" PostId="2781" Score="1" Text="I'm talking about the [Broken windows theory](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory) - by providing   answers to off-topic questions, you're making it more likely people will continue asking them, and use your  answers as arguments as to why they should post that sort of question here. The fact that your answers are high quality (content and form) only makes it &quot;worse&quot; in terms of keeping the site's (and SE's) topic/&quot;rules&quot; clear." CreationDate="2014-03-06T14:35:18.707" UserId="5842" />
  <row Id="2808" PostId="2793" Score="0" Text="I think what the grey area I'm trying to elaborate is providing people with more of an explanation as to why a particular kind of opinion based question (this one falls into an obvious category vis. &quot;What distro?&quot;) is opinion based.  Most people are generally ok and get the point, but some people seem *legitimately* unable to understand how asking about distros is opinion-based when they are also sold the idea that there are substantial objective differences between them." CreationDate="2014-03-06T14:38:38.850" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="2809" PostId="2793" Score="0" Text="My specific point is that this is because those differences are actually superficial, making it difficult to claim any one it really better than another for a given purpose." CreationDate="2014-03-06T14:38:57.873" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="2811" PostId="2781" Score="1" Text="@Mat Ok.  I agree in general, although WRT to the this specific topic (&quot;What distro?&quot;) I don't believe anything will stop people asking about it, since they are usually people who aren't very familiar with S.E.  I agree providing an *opinion based* answer (&quot;Arch is the best!&quot;) encourages it.  Part of my thesis here though, is that an answer explaining *why the question is inappropriate* (ala the first part) is not a bad thing.  Occasionally there are people that I think really *cannot* see how something is opinion-based, so this seems like a zealous and arbitrary exercise of authority to them." CreationDate="2014-03-06T14:47:27.753" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="2812" PostId="2793" Score="0" Text="I agree, BTW, that closed question should have more restrictions, e.g., no more voting. Stopping edits I think may cause more problems than it solves.  Clearly I abused that potential in this case (and I offer all this as an excuse), but remember: closed Q&amp;As are not *deleted* Q&amp;As and should be correctable (via edits) if necessary. I'm now thinking it might be useful to write a self-answered question addressing the topic, have it closed, then in the future use it as a duplicate.  Or just have a question, &quot;Why is such and such opinion based?&quot;" CreationDate="2014-03-06T14:54:37.590" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="2813" PostId="2781" Score="0" Text="&quot;I don't believe anything will stop people asking about it&quot; - agreed.  But the more posts of that type that we have visible on the site, the more likely people will find them and ask their own. Telling people succinctly why we don't take this sort of question takes a couple sentences in a comment (on top of the close vote). Details about the reasons belong in the help center or here, not on the main site." CreationDate="2014-03-06T15:12:39.907" UserId="5842" />
  <row Id="2814" PostId="2788" Score="0" Text="Correct me if I'm wrong, but you don't see any downside to AU users being able to migrate stuff to UL? In an ideal world I see both sides being able to send one and the other." CreationDate="2014-03-06T19:03:20.070" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="2815" PostId="2788" Score="1" Text="@Braiam I do; but the argument for reciprocal rights is subordinate to the case for a single migration path and there is (statistically anyway) only justification for AU -&gt; UL. Because it *could* work one way doesn't mean it should work both ways." CreationDate="2014-03-06T19:51:57.400" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="2816" PostId="2788" Score="0" Text="Ok, let me rephrase my question then." CreationDate="2014-03-06T23:03:11.947" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="2817" PostId="2786" Score="0" Text="@MichaelMrozek I rewrote my question." CreationDate="2014-03-07T00:01:28.453" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="2818" PostId="2788" Score="0" Text="@HaukeLaging I rewrote my question" CreationDate="2014-03-07T00:06:12.223" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="2819" PostId="2788" Score="0" Text="@Braiam I updated my answer... :)" CreationDate="2014-03-07T01:55:46.960" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="2820" PostId="2790" Score="0" Text="Only mods handle flags. When you deal with the flags in the 10k tools, you are actually flagging them yourself. The mods then see that a 10k-er thought them worth flagging. I think they get more weight or something. Either way, the flag queue is just normal flags as far as your flag count is concerned." CreationDate="2014-03-07T05:35:51.227" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2821" PostId="2793" Score="0" Text="I think I understand what you mean and what you are trying to do. It is just my understanding that [unix.se] is not the right place for the questions, and therefore not for the answers. ( this is a copy of the no longer editable, and now deleted comment), that missed a crucial **not**)." CreationDate="2014-03-07T06:54:39.483" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="2822" PostId="2794" Score="1" Text="Thanks for pitching in Oli! I agree that extreme caution should be exercised to avoid migrating a lot of the crap you guys need to deal with (I do _not_ envy you that ♦). On the other hand, I think it would be nice to get more of the good ones that you guys close. I've [answered](http://meta.askubuntu.com/a/8661/85695) the linked Q on AU explaining my point of view but even if the migration path is not opened, the AU mods might want to consider migrating some more questions our way. Just not the crap ones :)." CreationDate="2014-03-07T16:12:50.377" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2823" PostId="2795" Score="0" Text="I think that the general rule is: feel free to improve the post as long as it doesn't alter the original meaning." CreationDate="2014-03-07T23:04:06.447" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="2824" PostId="2795" Score="1" Text="FYI: You linked to the question, not the answer. I fixed that for you. You can get the answer link by clicking on &quot;share&quot; under the answer (to the left of &quot;edit&quot;)" CreationDate="2014-03-07T23:16:01.150" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="2825" PostId="2795" Score="0" Text="@derobert Ah, so, here is the trick. I've been looking for it. :-)" CreationDate="2014-03-08T08:17:00.607" UserId="37538" />
  <row Id="2826" PostId="2796" Score="1" Text="Ok, thank you for your answer. Reading it again, I have to admit that my comment was not really nice. I'll improve it to meet the quality standards. :D" CreationDate="2014-03-08T08:19:21.800" UserId="37538" />
  <row Id="2827" PostId="2794" Score="0" Text="&quot;look at the stuff you'd be winning...&quot; SOLD!" CreationDate="2014-03-08T09:00:50.737" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="2828" PostId="2798" Score="1" Text="So the question is whether it's right to post an answer to give a possible/probable cause of an error or if we should post a comment to ask for more information and wait before answering to be sure of the cause of the error?" CreationDate="2014-03-08T14:23:31.150" UserId="37538" />
  <row Id="2829" PostId="2798" Score="0" Text="@lgeorget - Of course it is good to try to get enough information so that you can post a complete answer.  But there are times that is not practical.  What I want is to reach a common understanding on whether this rule applies to answers like the one linked to, which are incomplete and ask for information, but provide a possible answer." CreationDate="2014-03-08T14:28:17.883" UserId="5197" />
  <row Id="2830" PostId="2798" Score="2" Text="Ok, I understand your point. That's an interesting question but I'm clueless. Personally, if it's of any help to you to gather habits, I tend to post comments in those cases and I only post an answer when I'm absolutely sure it's going to help. Of course, sometimes I'm wrong and I post a useless answer and sometimes I don't post an intuition which at the end of the day, was the good one. So... your question is a good question! :-)" CreationDate="2014-03-08T14:33:37.363" UserId="37538" />
  <row Id="2831" PostId="2798" Score="0" Text="@lgeorget - Note that when he posted his answer, Alvarro had 1 rep (he did not link his accounts 'til next day) and so could not post a comment." CreationDate="2014-03-08T14:35:51.513" UserId="5197" />
  <row Id="2832" PostId="2798" Score="3" Text="Note that the original answer posted was &quot;Is udev running in your server?&quot;, which is clearly not an answer and is a comment to the question.  If he could not have posted a comment due to rep, that doesn't mean he should post it instead as an answer.  If he really thought &quot;Udev isn't running&quot; is the answer, he could have phrased it differently.  Note that he did greatly improve the A with his edits, but most of the commentary derived from the original A, not the subsequent edits." CreationDate="2014-03-08T15:47:07.560" UserId="53706" />
  <row Id="2833" PostId="2798" Score="0" Text="@casey: I think all the comments, including the comment of Anthon's that I first replied to (which was deleted by the time I put this Meta post together), appeared after Alvarro's first revision of his answer." CreationDate="2014-03-08T16:02:41.233" UserId="5197" />
  <row Id="2834" PostId="2798" Score="0" Text="@CharlesStewart Anthon explains in one of his first comments to that post that he first saw it in the LQ queue and it was just the original post, prior to the revisions." CreationDate="2014-03-08T17:17:38.187" UserId="53706" />
  <row Id="2835" PostId="2798" Score="0" Text="@casey - I think it was probably in the FP queue, and I think his first comment explaining why he thought it should be closed came after the initial discussion between slm and Alvarro, when Alvarro had revised the post.  It was that comment, concerning the revised answer that I disputed.  In any case, this meta discussion should not be about the history of that answer, it should be about when to apply the &quot;not an answer&quot; flag." CreationDate="2014-03-08T17:44:08.323" UserId="5197" />
  <row Id="2836" PostId="2794" Score="0" Text="@terdon If you see an off-topic question on AU that you'd like migrated, please go ahead and flag it, we're always happy to give them to you ;)" CreationDate="2014-03-08T18:02:24.990" UserId="28893" />
  <row Id="2837" PostId="2798" Score="0" Text="@Charles It was in the LQ queue, I am not sure why you doubt my word on that. I deleted the automatically inserted comment that is a result from a flagged post that is not an answer, because the question was expanded to something more than just a question. BTW the answer is at this moment still active in the flag queue." CreationDate="2014-03-08T18:50:01.997" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="2838" PostId="2798" Score="2" Text="Can you edit your question to include exactly what it is you are asking, or the point you wish discussed?" CreationDate="2014-03-08T19:07:13.153" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="2840" PostId="2798" Score="0" Text="@Anthon - I apologise.  It should have been in the FP queue as well, since it was the first acount activity, before Alvaro associated his accounts." CreationDate="2014-03-08T19:38:27.403" UserId="5197" />
  <row Id="2841" PostId="2799" Score="1" Text="Terdon, what you miss is that the whole questioning started about me flagging the original post. What that answer, that should have been a comment, turned into later is IMHO not relevant. THe original answer was: Is udev running in your server?" CreationDate="2014-03-08T19:39:09.653" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="2842" PostId="2799" Score="1" Text="@Anthon I know but as far as I'm concerned, the final version is not an answer either." CreationDate="2014-03-08T19:44:46.357" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2843" PostId="2800" Score="0" Text="Thank you. I had understood that your original comment appeared after Alvaro revised his answer.  If that is not the case, or if it was not clear that I was concerned only about clasifying the post-edit answer as &quot;not an answer&quot;, then I apologise." CreationDate="2014-03-08T19:55:12.397" UserId="5197" />
  <row Id="2844" PostId="2800" Score="2" Text="@CharlesStewart. Apologies accepted. It is not easy but you can see the original times (you have to inspect the HTML source for the tag generating &quot;2 days ago&quot;). But that is exactly why I included the text of what **I** had been reviewing in the reply to one of your comments." CreationDate="2014-03-08T20:42:07.173" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="2845" PostId="2794" Score="0" Text="@Oli - Thanks for keeping an open mind on this as it's discussed, it's very much appreciated, even if you've been down this path yourself it's helpful to everyone involved in understanding the implications!" CreationDate="2014-03-08T22:22:53.370" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2846" PostId="2786" Score="0" Text="@MichaelMrozek - Braiam's changed the slant so this would be getting a migration path established for AU to UL. Are your thoughts the same with doing that as well?" CreationDate="2014-03-08T22:28:12.097" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2849" PostId="2633" Score="3" Text="@Kiwy sorry but you completely misunderstood what this is. 1) Haiku is a continuation of BeOS which started in 1991 (though they have not kept much code) 2) it has not yet reached a stable release and they're working on 64 bit. Starting small makes sense. Anything that brings something like BeOS back into the game has my vote." CreationDate="2014-03-09T01:54:47.560" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2850" PostId="2802" Score="1" Text="This assumes that everyone subscribes to the &quot;larger community&quot; concept. By this logic, there should be migration paths to all of the other related technical sites (Pi, Superuser, Security, etc)..." CreationDate="2014-03-10T01:31:52.160" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="2851" PostId="2801" Score="0" Text="I read [Oli's answer](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/a/2794/6761) as not supporting the proposal." CreationDate="2014-03-10T01:33:55.953" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="2852" PostId="2802" Score="0" Text="I like your analogies. Good points!" CreationDate="2014-03-10T01:47:51.123" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2853" PostId="2801" Score="0" Text="@jasonwryan - as did I, I thought I saw him state, perhaps in comments that if ppl wanted this he would be willing to support it, but I cannot find that verbiage now." CreationDate="2014-03-10T01:55:16.023" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2854" PostId="2801" Score="0" Text="@jasonwryan - this quote from his A: &quot; If that's really content you as a community want, I'll stop wringing my hands and help this along.&quot;" CreationDate="2014-03-10T01:56:35.513" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2855" PostId="2801" Score="0" Text="So it is: I missed it after the firehose and winning references (that and the fact that it doesn't really strike me as a ringing endorsement of the proposal)." CreationDate="2014-03-10T02:00:52.877" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="2856" PostId="2801" Score="1" Text="It's wringing not ringing 8-)" CreationDate="2014-03-10T02:08:15.137" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2857" PostId="2801" Score="2" Text="Actual LOL... :)" CreationDate="2014-03-10T02:09:57.077" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="2858" PostId="2801" Score="0" Text="@jasonwryan - I could not resist, you set me up perfectly for that one 8-)" CreationDate="2014-03-10T02:39:02.397" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2859" PostId="2802" Score="2" Text="@jasonwryan Yes, absolutely by this logic there should be significantly more migration paths all round! **And I'll gentleman's wager you that is part of the long term future of S.E.**  The opposite logic asserts either S.E. is just a piece of forum software we are using and the sites are little fiefdoms, or (and) more abstractly they are akin to &quot;big chill&quot; cosmology, whereby they fly further and faster apart until any possible relation has cooled into stagnation.  (3rd option: It's all preserved under glass...)" CreationDate="2014-03-10T03:58:04.493" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="2860" PostId="2788" Score="0" Text="*&quot;it is straightforward enough to edit your generic off-topic close option1 to propose migration to another site in the SE family&quot;* If migration is what it's about then it might as well be automated, **this is information technology after all**.  By your logic, up/down/close/whatever voting should be replaced by &quot;edit your generic comment to propose an opinion&quot;.  It also means you would have to vote *to irrevocably close something* when you are actually trying to indicate that it would be better off somewhere else." CreationDate="2014-03-10T04:11:29.700" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="2861" PostId="2802" Score="0" Text="OK: I'll respectfully disagree. I like contributing to U&amp;L and one of the real appeals, for me, is its niche. I have no desire to be part of a bigger, grander more unified Empire and am yet to be convinced that communities like this can scale that way." CreationDate="2014-03-10T05:04:13.810" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="2862" PostId="2788" Score="0" Text="@goldilocks Not really: my approach gives people an option to vote to close with *additional* information that the moderators may, or may not, be inclined to act upon. As I have been saying, the volume of actual candidate posts is insignificant, so automation is both unnecessary and may, as Oli points out, have perverse consequences." CreationDate="2014-03-10T05:07:12.333" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="2863" PostId="2799" Score="0" Text="@Anthon - I flagged it too when it was in it's original state, not what it evolved into. I did DV it afterwards, but that was to push it to the bottom, as Terdon had described it, it was still not an actual A and was trying to get the A'er to either fix it or delete it." CreationDate="2014-03-10T12:27:04.563" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2864" PostId="2799" Score="1" Text="@slm I knew that as your comment was above my auto-comment. Unfortunately the quality of the answer seemed to have confused the whole issue even more. I think it is cleared now, but I would like an answer from Michael (my comment on his comment in the original answer), if not I will be my stubborn self and continue as usual." CreationDate="2014-03-10T12:38:29.323" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="2865" PostId="2804" Score="0" Text="I don't think this currently exists. Mods have a way to view the flag history of a post, and you can look at your own history to figure out when you flagged something, but there's no way to see your flag in the timeline view. In this case, that is when you flagged the post" CreationDate="2014-03-10T14:38:20.133" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="2866" PostId="2805" Score="4" Text="The issue with this answer is not just that it is just wrong, but wrong *and* dangerously so. There is no justificable reason to keep it on the wiki, so you are saying that it was not deleted *on principle*? The answer below it seems to have escaped that fate." CreationDate="2014-03-10T16:13:08.330" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="2867" PostId="2804" Score="0" Text="@MichaelMrozek - what do you think the likelihood would be of getting something like this implemented if we were to ask? The only reason I know I flagged then is b/c I used the &quot;auto comment&quot; that you're seeing there above." CreationDate="2014-03-10T16:42:03.367" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2868" PostId="2806" Score="0" Text="What's the actual Q? We could likely take it here, assuming it's enough about Linux &amp; Unix." CreationDate="2014-03-10T16:51:25.513" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2869" PostId="2806" Score="0" Text="The general question is in the title. I'm just offering my specific question as an example of something I'm unsure of as a result. I just didn't know where to post it so I did a general meta question." CreationDate="2014-03-10T16:52:47.847" UserId="34520" />
  <row Id="2870" PostId="2806" Score="1" Text="Yeah I know, but answering your Q is a bit like asking if a turning test is accurate enough. I need to test it with the actual Q. My $0.02 is if you ask it we can probably answer it. The help is pretty clear (an intentionally vague) on this subject as well 8-) [on-topic](http://unix.stackexchange.com/help/on-topic) vs. [off-topic](http://unix.stackexchange.com/help/dont-ask)" CreationDate="2014-03-10T16:54:10.710" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2871" PostId="2805" Score="0" Text="@jasonwryan I don't really think it's that dangerous, but I deleted it. Quite a few of the &quot;not an answer&quot; flags we get are wrong, and I'd like people to get out of the habit of flagging posts for being wrong. The answer below it actually was not an answer, because it said to use `chattr +i`, which the question specifically mentioned wasn't an option" CreationDate="2014-03-10T16:59:54.670" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="2872" PostId="2806" Score="0" Text="I'll add this and stop bugging you, on boarder-line questions like this I'll often leave it to the OP to make the call. Caleb had asked his [Q on SF](http://serverfault.com/questions/575836/what-access-rights-could-be-blocking-access-to-a-gitlab-repository) but then posted the URL in our chat to get us to look at it. So you might want to use the same tactic here." CreationDate="2014-03-10T17:01:56.740" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2873" PostId="2804" Score="0" Text="Well, you did ask by posting a feature-request. I have no idea how long it will take; I don't think the timeline view is a particularly high priority for them" CreationDate="2014-03-10T17:06:47.917" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="2874" PostId="2803" Score="0" Text="In that particular case, slm and I had both I had voted to delete it, but that is [a &gt;=20k rep thing](http://unix.stackexchange.com/help/privileges/trusted-user)." CreationDate="2014-03-10T17:11:44.640" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2875" PostId="2805" Score="1" Text="But @jasonwryan flagged it as &quot;needing mod attention&quot; not &quot;not an answer&quot; right? I think that potentially harmful answers that are both wrong and can seriously screw up your system do need mod attention. They _are_ answers and should not be flagged as not being one but shouldn't we make sure our site is free of things that are both dangerous _and_ crap?" CreationDate="2014-03-10T17:13:09.943" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2876" PostId="2804" Score="0" Text="@MichaelMrozek - OK bear with me, this is my 1st one." CreationDate="2014-03-10T17:24:55.610" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2877" PostId="2805" Score="0" Text="@MichaelMrozek Thank you. I'm mindful of not creating unnecessary work for the mods, but felt that this was so egregious it did warrant mod attention. I also agree with terdon that we want to maintain a standard of quality on the wiki, and that answer clearly failed every reasonable test." CreationDate="2014-03-10T17:25:21.450" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="2878" PostId="2808" Score="0" Text="My suggestion was one of many potential improvements in performing reviewing/flagging. The notification one would be welcomed too. I'll often stumble upon replies days/weeks later where ppl neglected to reply correctly w/ an @ or spelled y name as sim instead of slm. Retracting would be helpful too." CreationDate="2014-03-11T11:46:25.253" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2879" PostId="2808" Score="0" Text="That is a problem as well, but sometimes they do not reply at all. I would like to have the system notify me that the answer has changed, even if the poster of the Answer did not leave comment (but maybe reacted on the flag auto-message). I think the system already removes an auto-inserted message based on a flag once the flag is declined/disputed by the MODs, doesn't it?" CreationDate="2014-03-11T11:56:47.973" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="2880" PostId="2808" Score="1" Text="The only way I've facilitated this myself is to star the Q's." CreationDate="2014-03-11T11:59:24.303" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2881" PostId="2808" Score="0" Text="I did not know that also gave me answer-edit notifications." CreationDate="2014-03-11T12:01:26.993" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="2882" PostId="2808" Score="0" Text="I think it only gives me some deltas on the Q's however. Favorites in Stack Overflow are used to subscribe to notifications of a question's activity (edits and new answers). So it's only of limited use." CreationDate="2014-03-11T12:12:31.763" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2883" PostId="2810" Score="1" Text="I absolutely *do not* see that, I just get the other 5 options, so perhaps it happens at 20k (later this week me thinks...).  If so, you probably never noticed because you went from 15 to 20 too darned fast cowboy ;)" CreationDate="2014-03-12T00:37:42.837" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="2884" PostId="2810" Score="0" Text="@goldilocks seriously? What do you see? I had the same dialogue long before breaching the 20k wall." CreationDate="2014-03-12T00:39:53.890" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2885" PostId="2810" Score="0" Text="@goldilocks - Ah shucks thanks 8-)" CreationDate="2014-03-12T00:40:11.667" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2886" PostId="2810" Score="3" Text="@terdon I'm gonna give up on computers and literacy and become a lumberjack.  Or something. I actually *took a screenshot* parallel to slm's and was in the midst of scrawling &quot;Where??&quot; on it when I realized it is there.  I'm still convinced it's not always there though (I also just noticed &quot;very low quality&quot; is also not always there, and I have that screenshot, lol).  I have gone over this a bunch of times.  Really.  Honestly.  My mind is obviously better at deception that I had hoped. :(" CreationDate="2014-03-12T01:01:43.163" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="2887" PostId="2810" Score="1" Text="@goldilocks - VLQ is only on A's not Q's." CreationDate="2014-03-12T01:10:10.860" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2888" PostId="2810" Score="0" Text="Oh I think there are some VLQ Q's too ;)  Sheesh. So much for claiming &quot;an eye for detail&quot;." CreationDate="2014-03-12T01:16:48.817" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="2889" PostId="2805" Score="0" Text="@MichaelMrozek That's a really strange argument considering that the flag definition is &quot;does not attempt to answer the question&quot;. Of course, &quot;chattr +i&quot; tries to answer the question. It is neither an edit nor a comment. It does not make sense as an answer. Neither does the `rm` example. According to your argument the `rm` answer would become &quot;not an answer&quot; if the question said &quot;stupid solutions are not an option&quot;..." CreationDate="2014-03-12T23:12:18.500" UserId="32191" />
  <row Id="2890" PostId="2805" Score="0" Text="@HaukeLaging That argument is a little absurd; you might as well have every question say &quot;only right answers are acceptable&quot;. Answers that attempt to answer the question are answers. I make an exception for answers that clearly missed some part of the question, because the question they're answering isn't the question that was asked. If somebody says &quot;how do I do this thing in Firefox&quot; and the answer says &quot;Here's how you do it in Chrome&quot;, they were answering a question about Chrome, not a question about Firefox. If they give a sucky answer about Firefox, it was still an answer about Firefox" CreationDate="2014-03-13T00:34:50.263" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="2891" PostId="2814" Score="0" Text="Sorry, no repro." CreationDate="2014-03-14T00:24:14.753" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="2892" PostId="2814" Score="0" Text="I voted up one of the A's on the Q so we could close against it." CreationDate="2014-03-14T00:58:49.827" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2893" PostId="2815" Score="0" Text="#3 was b/c of me. I UV'd one of the A's. That's exactly what happened in looking at it again. It was +1, Gilles used it as a dup, someone DV'd it, then I tried to use it as a dup and was blocked by above, I UV'd the A to +2/-1, and then voted to close as dup. Someone has since UV'd the A to +3/-1." CreationDate="2014-03-14T01:00:59.817" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2894" PostId="2814" Score="0" Text="So, in the two years I have been here, I'd not encountered this before? And how did Gilles make the initial vote?" CreationDate="2014-03-14T01:03:00.317" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="2895" PostId="2814" Score="0" Text="It was +1 when he used it, then someone DV'd it to +1/-1. I UV'd it to +2/-1 to use it as a dup. This is the 1st time I've ever seen this as well. I've run into dups w/ no rep before, but not like this." CreationDate="2014-03-14T01:03:48.977" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2896" PostId="2814" Score="0" Text="I'd categorize this more as a race condition 8-)" CreationDate="2014-03-14T01:04:48.960" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2897" PostId="2814" Score="0" Text="Then this is a bug in two ways: once someone has voted it as a duplicate, it should be eligible, and I would also argue that you should be able to vote as duplicate irrespective of upvoted answers." CreationDate="2014-03-14T01:07:42.497" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="2898" PostId="2803" Score="0" Text="[Relevant](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/226092/213575)" CreationDate="2014-03-20T01:44:46.037" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="2899" PostId="2675" Score="0" Text="what other os??" CreationDate="2014-03-22T06:38:59.623" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="2900" PostId="2675" Score="1" Text="@mike windows :P" CreationDate="2014-03-22T14:04:53.917" UserId="32666" />
  <row Id="2901" PostId="2668" Score="4" Text="What should the incognito royalty do? Is there a thread for us?" CreationDate="2014-03-22T20:24:42.723" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="2902" PostId="27" Score="2" Text="This isn't the route the site finally took — if you're using unix, the question is on-topic, and you don't need to know whether your question would also apply to other systems." CreationDate="2014-03-22T20:38:26.413" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="2903" PostId="2673" Score="1" Text="@Kiwy You need to stop asking questions when you know the answer..." CreationDate="2014-03-22T20:39:38.817" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="2904" PostId="2820" Score="1" Text="You can probably get all this from the [SE Data Explorer](http://data.stackexchange.com/help)." CreationDate="2014-03-23T05:46:01.373" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2905" PostId="2820" Score="0" Text="@terdon Never knew it existed: thanks. You should include that as answer. I can't write SQL queries so I can't answer any of the example questions but you have answered my primary question." CreationDate="2014-03-23T06:00:50.717" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="2906" PostId="2563" Score="0" Text="It's a pity it's not clear from the picture what kind of project this is. Just out of random curiosity, I clicked the link and liked a lot to learn about the project. But what about other who have no reason to cleick because of the picture?" CreationDate="2014-03-23T15:15:50.653" UserId="4319" />
  <row Id="2907" PostId="2803" Score="0" Text="It seems to have been deleted by now." CreationDate="2014-03-23T20:27:07.970" UserId="8284" />
  <row Id="2908" PostId="2803" Score="0" Text="@PeterMortensen Yes, see Michael's comment below..." CreationDate="2014-03-23T20:36:47.083" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="2909" PostId="2673" Score="0" Text="@FaheemMitha this one was a bit too obvious and I couldn't find the answer :D" CreationDate="2014-03-24T07:44:41.477" UserId="53092" />
  <row Id="2910" PostId="2820" Score="0" Text="If you ever get round to writing any of these queries or if you find one that does it already, it'd be great if you could post back here. These would be useful stats to have." CreationDate="2014-03-24T15:49:38.463" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2917" PostId="2823" Score="2" Text="This question appears to be off-topic because it contains beef, dead instead of dead beef. IOW, I agree, and also point out its helpful to pick the right reason... E.g., http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/115925/occasional-screen-blackouts-on-debian-7 didn't go away on its own, even if you think that should be closed..." CreationDate="2014-03-24T20:33:31.187" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="2918" PostId="2823" Score="0" Text="I don't think I've ever thought of myself as a busy body zealot 8-)" CreationDate="2014-03-24T21:05:59.657" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2919" PostId="2824" Score="1" Text="*Given the lack of detail in the Q I opted to close it as unclear.* -&gt; I'm not sure what details could have been added there, at least in terms of clarification.  Would the OP's shoe size have helped?" CreationDate="2014-03-24T21:06:29.600" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="2920" PostId="2824" Score="0" Text="Neck size.....Seriously I closed it when the Q looked like this: http://unix.stackexchange.com/revisions/121198/1" CreationDate="2014-03-24T21:09:14.520" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2921" PostId="2824" Score="0" Text="And in case you don't feel like following that link: _&quot;I'm trying to follow a regular text file with &quot;tail -f -n 50 filename. I get the information from the file just fine except I always get this error message. It happens on every file. The '0xbeefdead' worries me--it looks like a hacker tag.&quot;_ That's pretty unclear in my book, so I voted it as unclear." CreationDate="2014-03-24T21:10:19.120" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2922" PostId="2824" Score="1" Text="I did look at the edits before I got my knickers in a knot, btw.  The original could have used some formatting and is a bit brief, but it makes sense.  Also, note, a quick google turned this up for me: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gnu.core-utils.bugs/26045 implying we have a potentially valuable question..." CreationDate="2014-03-24T21:13:59.427" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="2923" PostId="2824" Score="1" Text="@goldilocks - this is one of those situations where no one is right or wrong, all I can do is apologize for closing what turned out to be a decent Q once ppl dusted it off better and fixed it up. As it was I thought it was unclear and did not have much in the way of an effort from the OP, so I voted to close it. But I didn't just blindly vote to close (so I hope that is obvious). I'm always willing to retract votes of any form, and only use them to provide signaling within the site." CreationDate="2014-03-24T21:29:06.203" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2924" PostId="2824" Score="3" Text="@goldilocks - most will probably find it hard to believe but unlike Gilles I'm not a robot and cannot search for every Q and make them all better, I too have a limited amount of time to dedicate to the site 8-). I'm sorry I made you feel the need to use all caps." CreationDate="2014-03-24T21:30:51.183" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2925" PostId="2823" Score="7" Text="Having 20K rep shouldn't lead you to think you are entitled to leave screaming comments directing others how to vote. Consensus can--and should--be reached with rational argument, not histrionics." CreationDate="2014-03-24T21:41:44.523" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="2926" PostId="2823" Score="1" Text="@jasonwryan Agreed, sort of.  I should perhaps have just flagged that for a mod, but decided to leave it so that the question did not have to go through one more thoughtless close vote -&gt; reopen queue -&gt; chat posse.  I will remember to delete it later." CreationDate="2014-03-24T21:46:32.030" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="2927" PostId="2823" Score="1" Text="@goldilocks Thank you." CreationDate="2014-03-24T21:53:28.943" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="2928" PostId="2823" Score="2" Text="it's worth noting that I've been much more liberal with close votes, especially &quot;unclear&quot; votes, since the change to &quot;on hold&quot;. I believe this is network-wide convention, but it may be part of the problem." CreationDate="2014-03-25T00:46:41.920" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2929" PostId="2823" Score="2" Text="@strugee : As jason subtly points out, I'm not really the boss of anyone, of course.  But I do think if you are going to be liberal with votes like that, the votes that you might not cast if you were conservative should be at least explained w/ a comment, and perhaps peer investigated first in chat.  It's much easier to throw a quick link up and say &quot;Does this seem unclear, or is it just me?&quot; than to go through the reopen rigmarole.  Adding a comment also makes it easier to resolve mistakes if they occur..." CreationDate="2014-03-25T12:10:15.410" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="2930" PostId="2823" Score="2" Text="...While I don't like garbage, gambling on a bit of temporary trash is surely better than gambling on holding valid questions." CreationDate="2014-03-25T12:10:41.107" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="2931" PostId="723" Score="0" Text="Why not have a random favicon each time you load the page.... it might be a tad annoying to implement, but it could switch between GNU, Tux, etc..." CreationDate="2014-03-25T17:19:49.823" UserId="52956" />
  <row Id="2932" PostId="2824" Score="2" Text="@slm he's a robot? That answers a lot of questions... And raises so many more..." CreationDate="2014-03-26T04:03:39.347" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="2933" PostId="2612" Score="0" Text="@MichaelMrozek is there a reason this never got done? it'd be nice to have this blacklisted." CreationDate="2014-03-27T18:30:54.167" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2934" PostId="2828" Score="0" Text="Not as far as I know, but I wouldn't worry about it. You can go downvote it if you like." CreationDate="2014-03-28T00:57:27.610" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2935" PostId="2828" Score="0" Text="It's going to affect my number of useful flags... :-o" CreationDate="2014-03-28T00:59:15.093" UserId="32191" />
  <row Id="2936" PostId="2828" Score="3" Text="Those don't matter to anybody, seriously, don't worry about it." CreationDate="2014-03-28T01:00:23.150" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2937" PostId="2622" Score="0" Text="Wow, that is one fugly logo..." CreationDate="2014-03-28T02:07:58.593" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="2938" PostId="2622" Score="0" Text="Eye of the beholder I guess. I like the ninja-esqueness, but it's obviously an icon blown up too far. The [one used on the site](https://www.midnight-commander.org/chrome/site/MidnightCommander.png) is no bigger, unfortunately." CreationDate="2014-03-28T03:34:44.987" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="2939" PostId="2824" Score="1" Text="Re &quot;*That's pretty unclear in my book, so I voted it as unclear*&quot;; you also need to consider the question title, which read: &quot;*Do I need to worry about “tail: unrecognized file system type 0xbeefdead”?*&quot;. Sure, the user should repeat it, but your quote seems unfair to the original question." CreationDate="2014-03-29T11:50:58.503" UserId="5891" />
  <row Id="2940" PostId="2824" Score="2" Text="@DanielBeck - I reviewed the Q and do/did take the title as well as the body into consideration when voting to close. Again the closing is IMO, this A explains my options and my methods. It takes 5 votes so in this case 5 ppl agreed with my assessment, or should. I think  Goldy's real concern is if others simply went along with me willy nilly or did they weigh it with considerations too. That I do not know." CreationDate="2014-03-29T12:16:43.457" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2941" PostId="2823" Score="1" Text="@strugee My experience on Programmers.SE and SciFi.SE tells me that users entirely new to StackExchange aren't reacting differently to &quot;on hold&quot; versus &quot;closed&quot;" CreationDate="2014-03-30T21:22:06.007" UserId="12380" />
  <row Id="2942" PostId="2829" Score="1" Text="With the new _max rep upgrade_ for 90 points and using 10x scale, I now have enough rep to make those 500 points bounties like I always wanted ;-)" CreationDate="2014-04-01T10:23:10.077" UserDisplayName="user44370" />
  <row Id="2943" PostId="2796" Score="0" Text="Where is the MetaMeta off-topic place so I can link to this!" CreationDate="2014-04-01T20:08:29.407" UserId="27032" />
  <row Id="2944" PostId="2796" Score="0" Text="@Johan The what place? No idea what you're talking about." CreationDate="2014-04-01T20:10:25.817" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="2945" PostId="2796" Score="0" Text="Where we talk about where we talk about the SE site." CreationDate="2014-04-01T20:12:47.543" UserId="27032" />
  <row Id="2946" PostId="2796" Score="0" Text="I am of course talking about the phenomenon of having had the post about editing people's posts to improve them edited to improve it." CreationDate="2014-04-01T20:14:21.300" UserId="27032" />
  <row Id="2947" PostId="2829" Score="0" Text="Interesting, I actually downloaded that very image and was playing with a for an ImageMagick question. Never followed the link though, shows how much attention I pay to ads!" CreationDate="2014-04-03T23:29:45.800" UserId="48083" />
  <row Id="2948" PostId="2550" Score="0" Text="I'd actually prefer if we didn't have a twitter bot. I find the traffic useless to the site. More eyeballs doesn't equate to better quality visitors." CreationDate="2014-04-03T23:33:47.877" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2949" PostId="2835" Score="0" Text="How does an answer get into the reviewing queue, if I flag it? I must admit that I care less about the reviewing queues since I see the flags queue (I guess that's more or less intended). Why is this selection available in the review queue but not when flagging?" CreationDate="2014-04-04T02:40:16.583" UserId="32191" />
  <row Id="2950" PostId="2834" Score="0" Text="What is the plan how new users shall know about this plugin...?" CreationDate="2014-04-04T02:43:02.503" UserId="32191" />
  <row Id="2951" PostId="2834" Score="0" Text="@HaukeLaging - the same way I found out about it. I looked through stackapps.com for it I guess, and we talked about it multiple times in the chat room." CreationDate="2014-04-04T02:46:10.257" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2952" PostId="2835" Score="0" Text="@HaukeLaging It's automated, based on the queue. Flagging won't put it in a queue or generate a comment, but it'll let mods see it, which is probably better since link-only answers rarely get fixed." CreationDate="2014-04-04T04:27:36.840" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="2953" PostId="2837" Score="0" Text="+1 For recommending we split `httpd` up.  Although I presume apache is the only thing to use this as an in-path executable name, Wikipedia actually [lists 10 different servers](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Httpd) as possibilities." CreationDate="2014-04-05T15:45:24.603" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="2954" PostId="2837" Score="0" Text="apache is not the only httpd, but also, it is not only httpd, a lot more. editing my answer" CreationDate="2014-04-06T09:03:08.810" UserId="4142" />
  <row Id="2955" PostId="2838" Score="0" Text="we could discuss if we can consider apache the original http daemon (from the NCSA ashes), i do, however this is not the point; the point here is exaclty the fact that today the term apache by itself means the foundation, and using it for the subproject (httpd) is not precise." CreationDate="2014-04-06T09:09:04.923" UserId="4142" />
  <row Id="2956" PostId="2838" Score="0" Text="@guido - see edits" CreationDate="2014-04-06T13:35:37.913" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2957" PostId="2836" Score="1" Text="As per derobert's answer we should really get rid of `httpd` completely (as synonymous with `webserver`, which is less ambiguous) and then give various web server's their own tag.  This way, the `apache` tag can be also be used to cover the scope of the the project, and `webserver` added for specificity where appropriate." CreationDate="2014-04-06T13:43:13.110" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="2958" PostId="2833" Score="1" Text="[Totally relevant](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/225370/your-answer-is-in-another-castle-when-is-an-answer-not-an-answer) but to make it fast: if you remove the link and still doesn't have useful information, it's not an answer." CreationDate="2014-04-06T13:54:48.980" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="2959" PostId="2837" Score="1" Text="@guido if you want to additionally retag almost all of the Apache HTTP Server questions [tag:apache-httpd], that seems like it should be a different question..." CreationDate="2014-04-06T16:32:07.513" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="2960" PostId="2837" Score="0" Text="@derobert yep we can discuss here then we can close and make a new one eventually, thats why I included the question mark in the question title in the first instance :). By the way, i like the webserver tag proposition, but that leaves open the issue of httpd / apache tags. Are you proposing of making httpd a synonym for webserver, then having people to specify the implementation in another tag like apache-httpd (or just apache), lighttpd and so on?" CreationDate="2014-04-07T02:26:40.623" UserId="4142" />
  <row Id="2961" PostId="2837" Score="0" Text="@guido I propose we get rid of the httpd tag." CreationDate="2014-04-07T02:32:01.347" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="2962" PostId="2830" Score="0" Text="downvoted because Flash." CreationDate="2014-04-07T03:17:30.747" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2963" PostId="2837" Score="1" Text="+1. BURNIATE IT!" CreationDate="2014-04-07T03:19:40.900" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2964" PostId="2838" Score="0" Text="I'm with you on everything but synonyming the httpd tag - IMHO, it's too ambiguous. I think we should blacklist it instead, as @derobert suggested, but we could add a note in the tag wiki that the asker probably meant apache-httpd." CreationDate="2014-04-07T03:24:27.963" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2965" PostId="2830" Score="0" Text="@strugee Lol I don't know, I've only played the Android version. It's a pretty stupid game IMO. *Giant Boulder of Death*, OTOH, quickly joined the ranks of *Galaga*, *Chopper Command*, *Doom*, and *Civilization* as responsible for some of my all time fav gaming experiences.   I'm not much for video games generally because I prefer to waste my time in online forums related to &quot;unix and linux&quot;..." CreationDate="2014-04-07T03:31:04.593" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="2966" PostId="2839" Score="0" Text="There's server-side magic that detects the referrer and serve the proper image and it's updated in &quot;semi-real-time&quot;. [See the original for more information](http://meta.apple.stackexchange.com/a/1884/63289), specifically [this comment](http://meta.apple.stackexchange.com/questions/932/community-promotion-ads-2012/998#comment2449_998)" CreationDate="2014-04-07T03:38:12.097" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="2967" PostId="2839" Score="0" Text="This violates 2 of the requirements. 1) &quot;The image that you create must be 220 x 250 pixels&quot;. 2) &quot;Must be hosted through our standard image uploader&quot;" CreationDate="2014-04-07T03:44:44.117" UserId="4358" />
  <row Id="2968" PostId="2839" Score="0" Text="@Patrick check [Apple's](http://meta.apple.stackexchange.com/a/1884/63289) and [Ask Ubuntu](http://meta.askubuntu.com/a/8593/169736) advertisement. [It does work](http://i.stack.imgur.com/dKAN0.png)" CreationDate="2014-04-07T03:51:31.980" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="2969" PostId="2839" Score="0" Text="So 'the rules are more what you'd call &quot;guidelines&quot; than actual rules'?" CreationDate="2014-04-07T03:55:58.500" UserId="4358" />
  <row Id="2970" PostId="2839" Score="0" Text="@Patrick obviously this add has been for a long while in SE and the SE team hasn't said anything against it." CreationDate="2014-04-07T04:01:59.627" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="2971" PostId="2830" Score="0" Text="a forum?? this is a _forum_ to you??? the very thing Stack Exchange set out to fix???? some people... :P" CreationDate="2014-04-07T04:32:11.527" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="2972" PostId="2837" Score="0" Text="Agree w/ you except that we should probably use apache-http or apache-httpd instead and use apache for apache software &amp; foundation related Q's." CreationDate="2014-04-07T11:37:29.653" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2973" PostId="2839" Score="0" Text="The fact that it's hosted by S.E. as a &quot;dynamic ad&quot; -- http://stack-exchange-dynamic-ads.herokuapp.com/bounty.png -- implies it's either created or endorsed by them, I think.  *Someone* at least pulled some strings or plead the case to make this happen. +1 !!!" CreationDate="2014-04-07T12:21:48.593" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="2974" PostId="2838" Score="0" Text="Have you gone through [tag:apache] to see how many questions are about Apache software other than the web server?" CreationDate="2014-04-07T13:43:25.557" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="2975" PostId="2840" Score="0" Text="I know at least Graeme that does this Q&amp;A http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/121071/what-does-adduser-do-that-useradd-doesnt" CreationDate="2014-04-07T13:46:22.117" UserId="53092" />
  <row Id="2976" PostId="2841" Score="0" Text="*&quot;The system won't even let you vote to close a question as a duplicate of an unanswered one.&quot;* -- How do you even know that, lol?  Anyway, I've edited the question to reflect this.  Although I agree that &quot;If we've done our job well, then the oldest question will have had good answers&quot;, I think this is very commonly not the case.  Perhaps part of the issue is that badly put, overly localized questions are a drag to answer and hence end up with slapdash answers that are themselves too localized." CreationDate="2014-04-07T13:57:50.693" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="2977" PostId="2838" Score="0" Text="@Gilles Well, first page includes an Apache Tomcat question. So there are some." CreationDate="2014-04-07T14:11:25.657" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="2978" PostId="2843" Score="0" Text="Although this dodges the OP's concern that &quot;apache is more than just an httpd&quot;, so we need a general `apache` tag, I think that concern is really a non-issue; questions about &quot;apache tomcat&quot;, etc. are fine with just `tomcat`.  Also, questions about most of the apache software projects (ant, commons, etc.) don't belong here anyway. So ditching `apache` in favour of `apache-httpd` sounds good to me." CreationDate="2014-04-07T14:34:15.510" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="2979" PostId="2843" Score="0" Text="@TAFKA'goldilocks' Are there questions about Apache in general, as opposed to a specific Apache software? We could create a tag like [tag:apache-project] if it's warranted." CreationDate="2014-04-07T14:40:30.993" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="2980" PostId="2844" Score="0" Text="I also see from time to time people using interface as a synonym for GUI" CreationDate="2014-04-07T14:46:41.200" UserId="53092" />
  <row Id="2981" PostId="2843" Score="0" Text="I'm guessing there actually aren't, but maybe it's worth noting in case we (meaning: whoever) run across such a case when doing the re-tagging. `apache-project` would be better than just `apache`." CreationDate="2014-04-07T14:51:07.007" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="2982" PostId="2845" Score="0" Text="the creation of [tag:network-interface] implies the creation [tag:serial-interface] [tag:usb-interface] and so one...." CreationDate="2014-04-07T14:51:16.687" UserId="53092" />
  <row Id="2983" PostId="2845" Score="1" Text="@Kiwy Why create [tag:serial-interface]? What distinction do you see with [tag:serial-port], and what questions would benefit from that tag? We create tags to classify questions, not just for the sake of creating tags." CreationDate="2014-04-07T15:00:10.070" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="2984" PostId="2841" Score="0" Text="@TAFKA'goldilocks' You can try it out, and it's documented on [metase]." CreationDate="2014-04-07T15:00:45.097" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="2985" PostId="2849" Score="1" Text="I agree: I am wary of relying on the questioner's understanding of thier issue as opposed to the knowledge and expertise of the people that frequent the site." CreationDate="2014-04-07T21:39:26.037" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="2986" PostId="2849" Score="0" Text="@jasonwryan I think the bulk of the edits being done by Gilles are in retagging category so if you're confident that the tagging is appropriate then do it. I would educate the user that criticized this and direct them to the chat room if they're still not sure of your actions." CreationDate="2014-04-07T22:39:23.000" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="2987" PostId="2849" Score="0" Text="@slm I was sort of avoiding chat with this question as I wanted to make sure this was the consensus approach and that it was documented here." CreationDate="2014-04-07T23:22:19.283" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="2988" PostId="2849" Score="0" Text="Your example is biased towards the solution of the problem. I could perfectly run a script every 30 minutes without the use of cron. Is cron a good tool for the task? Yes, but that doesn't mean there aren't other alternatives." CreationDate="2014-04-12T17:14:10.127" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="2989" PostId="2853" Score="1" Text="1) Alex's answer also involves udev, he just doesn't realize 2) Seems completely irrelevant, of course answers should be clear, that doesn't mean that we shouldn't retag the question with the relevant tags 3) Again you're talking about answers in any case, an OP's ignorance is not a good reason to not retag correctly 4) Not marginal and adding more tags doesn't narrow things down, on the contrary, removing tags does. 5) seems to be the same as 4 and is not true since more tags make a question more general." CreationDate="2014-04-12T17:59:46.390" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2990" PostId="2853" Score="0" Text="6) Come on! Because one expert found it despite its lacking the relevant tags means that everyone will? 7) The tags that Jason added _were_ pertinent and relevant to the question. The naming scheme of NIC cards is handled by systemd/udev therefore those tags are relevant and should be included. As I said, the OP's ignorance is no reason to allow incomplete tagging." CreationDate="2014-04-12T18:00:16.300" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2991" PostId="2849" Score="0" Text="@Braiam `cron` is _the_ way to do this, therefore adding that tag will bring in the relevant set of experts so the tag is appropriate." CreationDate="2014-04-12T18:01:31.467" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2992" PostId="2853" Score="0" Text="@terdon Sorry, but that's not the case http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/1024/213575" CreationDate="2014-04-12T18:07:08.350" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="2993" PostId="2853" Score="0" Text="@terdon more on the topic http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/59334/213575" CreationDate="2014-04-12T18:12:30.940" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="2994" PostId="2853" Score="1" Text="I don't know which of my points you are referring to but none of them seem in any way relevant to that link which is talking about tagging answers. Jason's retag was not based on his answer  but on the question itself. In any case, even retagging based on the answers is a good thing. If the OP had tagged as `sed` and then accepted a `perl` answer and the post also has an upvoted `awk` solution, both `perl` and `awk` should be added to the question's tags since that will help future visitors find it and will correctly categorize the post." CreationDate="2014-04-12T18:12:34.523" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2995" PostId="2853" Score="0" Text="OK, this one is a little bit more relevant. Again though 1) the retagging here was not based on the answer at all, it was based on the question 2) I disagree with that link. On this site we have tag-dependent syntax highlighting for example. This means that people often retag to add the relevant language tag and activate the coloring. Also, if a question can be answered using many tools and the OP has only mentioned one, it is good to bring the other tags because that way experts in the other tools will notice the question." CreationDate="2014-04-12T18:15:18.163" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2996" PostId="2853" Score="0" Text="@terdon the point made on the post is that content is indexed along with answers and questions. Even if you don't tag it as &quot;udev&quot; or &quot;systemd&quot; people will find them because the answers contains the keywords." CreationDate="2014-04-12T18:15:44.760" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="2997" PostId="2853" Score="0" Text="No they won't. Why do you insist on this? One of the main uses of tags is to &quot;favorite&quot; them so questions tagged with them are highlighted. If the tag is not there this will not happen, so experts will not find the question as easily." CreationDate="2014-04-12T18:16:57.510" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="2998" PostId="2853" Score="0" Text="@terdon but it **already has an answer**. The one doing the retaggin was after he answered the question." CreationDate="2014-04-12T18:17:14.920" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="2999" PostId="2853" Score="0" Text="Huh? What does? The OP? So what? How is that relevant to anything? Are you saying that because it was answered therefore it was &quot;findable&quot;? That's absurd! It's like saying that because you got heads when tossing a coin once, you will always get heads with every coin toss. The point is to make it _easy_ for experts to find questions, that someone found a Q even without the right tags is not an argument against them." CreationDate="2014-04-12T18:18:59.017" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="3000" PostId="2853" Score="0" Text="@terdon it had the *right tags* the very same moment it was asked. Why are you trying to edit something when the edit adds no value whatsoever?" CreationDate="2014-04-12T18:20:01.477" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="3001" PostId="2849" Score="0" Text="@terdon and if I have a system that doesn't have cron? Will you force me to use cron then?" CreationDate="2014-04-12T18:20:52.230" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="3002" PostId="2853" Score="0" Text="Because they do Braiam. That's our entire point. The question _was_ actually about systemd/udev since that is what controls the naming of the cards. The OP did not know this but perhaps the next person to search will. Also, now it will be highlighted for those who like the udev tag and could get even more good answers. My point is that Jason already _knew_ that this was a systemd/udev thing, he did not retag to make it fit his answer better, his answer was already fine. He retagged because the information in the question showed that the tags were relevant." CreationDate="2014-04-12T18:21:47.970" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="3003" PostId="2853" Score="0" Text="@terdon and more on the topic http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/176406/213575, BTW, if networking + arch = udev &amp; systemd is redundant adding such tags since it empirically implies that all networking related questions will have udev and systemd tags" CreationDate="2014-04-12T18:24:02.670" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="3004" PostId="2849" Score="0" Text="@Braiam *Yes. Absolutely. Under penalty of the comfy chair.* Serious answer: That's not what the example is. If the question were about how to do this on some system which can't or doesn't run cron, then the question would say that and I'd not tag it cron, because then it's not relevant to a cron expert." CreationDate="2014-04-12T18:26:02.770" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="3005" PostId="2853" Score="0" Text="You can't be serious. This question is not about networking it is about NIC _names_ and _that_ is a systemd/udev thing. Networking is a different issue and not under discussion. As for the latest meta link you gave that says pretty much the same thing I do: &quot;Do re-tag questions to use well-known and popular tags that are appropriate relevant to the question&quot;. The other point is not to retag if you're not adding information and, again, this retag _did_ add information so that meta Q supports my position." CreationDate="2014-04-12T18:26:59.120" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="3006" PostId="2853" Score="0" Text="@terdon I think you are not understanding what your logic implies: if I'm writing a program in C you can't tell me that because an answer offers a solution in python I should also use the python tag, if someone offer a perl solution, I should also add perl, if someone has a lisp solution I also should add lisp. That's what your logic implies and what would everyone act. That's is madness in and of itself." CreationDate="2014-04-12T18:31:34.880" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="3007" PostId="2849" Score="0" Text="Also, stop thinking of tags as exclusive. There are many questions tagged `sed` and `perl` and `awk`, the answers tend to use one or more of these tools. Nobody is saying that if it's tagged `perl` you _must_ use `perl`, that's the whole point of having multiple tags. So, you could tag the 30 minute questions with both `cron` and `anacron` for example, you're not forcing the OP to do anything." CreationDate="2014-04-12T18:32:03.327" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="3008" PostId="2853" Score="0" Text="You misunderstand me. I don't know how many times I need to say this but the retagging was based on information **contained in the question** not the answer. That said, yes, I do actually feel that there are many cases where we _should_ retag based on the answers. If a question was only tagged as `sed` and the accepted answer is an `awk` script, the question should be retagged because if I later look for an `awk` solution for the same problem, I will be able to find it. This is not the case here though since the _question_ is a udev thing since we _know_ that the NIC names depend on that." CreationDate="2014-04-12T18:37:31.680" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="3009" PostId="2853" Score="0" Text="@terdon ok, let me teach you how I evaluate your point of view with my methodology, that maybe you are not taking into account and will shed some lights of why my position about certain topics, but first a bit of history: do you know that the safety belts don't prevent more deaths than what it saves? Crazy, no? Well, result that is like that." CreationDate="2014-04-12T19:36:17.430" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="3010" PostId="2853" Score="0" Text="Before safety belts where default in all cars, drivers were slow and careful when traveling, this is because the benefit of doing so (keep their live) was greater than all the costs (take more time to go from A to B, effort paying attention to the road, etc.). With the introduction of the safety belts the drivers possibility to lose their lives in an accident was practically dismissed. Great! Objective accomplished. Now, lets see the effects on this." CreationDate="2014-04-12T19:37:06.950" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="3011" PostId="2853" Score="0" Text="Since the biggest benefit to driving carefully is no more, and the cost of arriving late to their destiny came pressing, what would drivers do? Start driving faster. I think you may guessed it. Now, what are the effects of driving faster and reckless? The hike on the number of accidents. Now how this affects anyone else who's not driver, like pedestrians?" CreationDate="2014-04-12T19:37:35.780" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="3012" PostId="2853" Score="0" Text="Well, if there's a rise in the number of accidents, the probability that they become involved in one increases, and so increase their possibility of losing their lives since they don't have any protection of such events. So, what's the final balance of implementing safety belts? 1) Drivers can drive faster 2) Drivers rarely lose their lives 3) Increasing of the number of accidents 4) Increasing of the expenditures from the state/insurance companies to prevent and mitigate the effect of the accidents 5) More pedestrian lose their lives. Lives saved annually by the seat belts: 500 lives annually" CreationDate="2014-04-12T19:37:51.833" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="3013" PostId="2853" Score="0" Text="All this can be corroborated with any source, but there's already a paper written by Hardvard which summarizes it. http://www.law.harvard.edu/programs/olin_center/papers/pdf/341.pdf. Now, what relation has this with the topic at hand? I consider that maybe in your point of view, you are ignoring the hidden costs/effects of the actions you are taking which may be prejudicial in the long term run. Consider carefully that if you motives are to save someone, do not cause harm to another." CreationDate="2014-04-12T19:38:18.407" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="3014" PostId="2853" Score="0" Text="I would like that you use this as template to evaluate your own point of view and answer this questions: What are the benefits? What are the costs? Do the benefits outweighs the costs? What is the collateral effect of this? Which is the best trade off between costs and benefits? Sorry to make this so long, and please take into account that I'm not trying to change your way to rationalize your actions, but you to come to understand mine." CreationDate="2014-04-12T19:38:45.543" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="3015" PostId="2853" Score="1" Text="There is a reason the other answer doesn't mention either tag: the same reason that it doesn't have an upvote nor a green tick... Seriously @Braiam, you need to learn to accept when you are wrong: typing more than the other person doesn't make your argument the better one." CreationDate="2014-04-12T19:42:48.143" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="3016" PostId="2853" Score="0" Text="@jasonwryan nor makes my point less valid either. Have you tried to use my shoes as I did with you and see things how I do?" CreationDate="2014-04-12T19:45:18.920" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="3017" PostId="2849" Score="0" Text="@Braiam Try and manage your networking on Arch *without* udev and systemd and then talk to me about bias... Really, as I have said repeatedly, both udev and systemd are a prerequisite for networking on Arch, therefore the tags are warranted." CreationDate="2014-04-12T19:45:46.757" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="3018" PostId="2853" Score="1" Text="@Braiam I could continue to argue, but you are clearly not intent on entertaining other points so I'll save myself the effort." CreationDate="2014-04-12T19:47:07.243" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="3019" PostId="2853" Score="0" Text="@jasonwryan I could say that neither do you. I do entertain and check and validate and reconfirm each point of view with several sources. I would ask to be treated the same way." CreationDate="2014-04-12T19:49:45.897" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="3020" PostId="2849" Score="0" Text="@jasonwryan so, following the logic, all questions that has arch and networking should mandatory have udev and systemd?" CreationDate="2014-04-12T19:50:05.857" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="3021" PostId="2853" Score="0" Text="I really don't know how to respond to this wall of comments you posted. I don't see the relevance of that very long story. I have already told you (many, many times) why I consider this particular retagging in particular and adding more tags in general to be a good thing. Let's just leave it at that." CreationDate="2014-04-12T19:56:54.267" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="3022" PostId="2853" Score="0" Text="@terdon let me tell you the relevance: in short, I don't agree with the fundamentals reason behind the action. That's is my claim in and on itself. I was exposing the fundament which I use to tag all and every question, since fundaments are the basic principles which should apply to each and every situation." CreationDate="2014-04-12T20:03:33.603" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="3023" PostId="2853" Score="0" Text="@terdon jasonwryan ok, I may messed up this one and I was wrong, but at very least listen this: please, don't apply the same principle to each and every question. Is a risky gamble where the losses are greater than the possible benefits. Be careful when using this as reason to retag questions. My greater fear is that this sets a precedent that could be calamitous." CreationDate="2014-04-12T20:26:07.560" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="3024" PostId="2853" Score="0" Text="@jasonwryan please, read above comment." CreationDate="2014-04-12T20:26:39.217" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="3025" PostId="2854" Score="5" Text="Yes! Please! I feel the most important thing is to specify this on the help pages since we can't expect new users to be aware of the close reasons. Having a dedicated close reason would be great as well, but the help should come first." CreationDate="2014-04-14T19:07:44.620" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="3027" PostId="2859" Score="0" Text="I didn't know about the blog. Great work guys! :) too bad my writing skills sucks" CreationDate="2014-04-15T20:50:11.750" UserId="30320" />
  <row Id="3028" PostId="2860" Score="0" Text="I think our blog is considered to be in some sort of beta status, not sure if that link changes until the blog is non-beta." CreationDate="2014-04-15T21:25:53.560" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="3029" PostId="2859" Score="1" Text="@RSFalcon7 if you have good content, we can help you make it happen. you get an editor and I don't see why we couldn't get two people to edit if you want." CreationDate="2014-04-16T03:28:37.430" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="3030" PostId="2860" Score="0" Text="@derobert yes, that's why we're on unix.blogoverflow.com instead of blog.unix.stackexchange.com. but it changes before we're out of beta; check [apple.se]." CreationDate="2014-04-16T03:32:35.333" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="3031" PostId="2860" Score="0" Text="True, and when I look at our blog over at cooking.SE, it's linked in the footer too. And we have a post now, too!" CreationDate="2014-04-16T03:34:29.473" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="3032" PostId="2860" Score="0" Text="@derobert YEAH WE DO! \o/" CreationDate="2014-04-16T03:35:25.583" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="3033" PostId="2839" Score="2" Text="@TAFKA'goldilocks' Actually, the ad is neither created nor explicitly endorsed by Stack Exchange. The URL is as such because that app name was available on Heroku, so Jason and I picked it. However, by now I'd say that the ad has SE's implicit approval as it's existed for over 2 years on Ask Different without them removing it or objecting to it." CreationDate="2014-04-16T14:39:35.983" UserId="402" />
  <row Id="3034" PostId="2854" Score="1" Text="I'd like something like this in almost all sites I frequent here.." CreationDate="2014-04-16T16:00:53.727" UserId="28496" />
  <row Id="3035" PostId="2863" Score="0" Text="[This meta question](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/600/hardware-recommendations-whats-the-limit) one upvoted answer which states that `Hardware recommendation questions that have very specific requirements that aren't easily solved by checking the vendor-listed information or official hardware compatibility lists should be allowed.` Most vendors don't outright list that you can install $distro on $tablet. I'm not asking *where* to buy, or looking to outright compare, but I believe this is a question which cannot be easily answered by google at the moment." CreationDate="2014-04-17T12:37:19.813" UserId="36126" />
  <row Id="3036" PostId="2861" Score="4" Text="I would very much like to second this, particularly of questions seeking help they are now significantly different and solutions may apply to only one." CreationDate="2014-04-18T11:43:01.040" UserId="60902" />
  <row Id="3039" PostId="2861" Score="0" Text="Second! Actually, third =)" CreationDate="2014-04-20T02:48:36.040" UserId="58199" />
  <row Id="3040" PostId="2872" Score="0" Text="Maybe that question should be re-asked but with a &quot;feature request&quot; in MSO, since you got a MSO answer." CreationDate="2014-04-21T01:17:43.790" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="3041" PostId="2863" Score="1" Text="@BigHomie shopping recommendations are explicitly off-topic. it doesn't matter if it can't be found with Google; those kinds of questions just do not fit the SE model. instead, try: &quot;what should I look for in a tablet to determine if I can get GNU/Linux onto it?&quot; or something to that effect" CreationDate="2014-04-22T06:44:06.637" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="3042" PostId="2874" Score="1" Text="Yeah, I was deleting delete, but discovered that deleting delete was too confusing semantically speaking." CreationDate="2014-04-22T06:47:33.127" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="3043" PostId="2875" Score="0" Text="Well, Gilles was the first vote on that question, so maybe we should ask him." CreationDate="2014-04-22T06:53:30.633" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="3044" PostId="2875" Score="1" Text="@Braiam Yeah, that's part of my confusion. But I don't want to call him out, I want to be clear this isn't &quot;@Gilles, WTF are you doing?!&quot;: it was after all an answer he left in 2010. There's nothing wrong with him changing his opinion since then. And it's not just his vote to close; 4 other people agreed with him." CreationDate="2014-04-22T06:55:55.237" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="3045" PostId="2876" Score="1" Text="The &quot;How do **I write a C program** that will implement the above line.&quot; may weighed in the decision." CreationDate="2014-04-22T06:58:36.287" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="3046" PostId="2876" Score="2" Text="Then &quot;What do I pass to `mount(2)` to mount `/sys`?&quot; would be on-topic? That seems like language-lawyering, not a sane way to define the scope of our site. Would &quot;What's the Linux system interface to mount a file system?&quot; be on topic?" CreationDate="2014-04-22T06:59:08.343" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="3047" PostId="2876" Score="2" Text="@Braiam exactly. the question was fundamentally about writing C code." CreationDate="2014-04-22T06:59:39.750" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="3048" PostId="2876" Score="0" Text="@derobert no, your first example would be off topic because its a programming question in a mask. your second example would be borderline. an example of a question that would definitely be on topic is &quot;why does glibc wrap mount()?&quot;" CreationDate="2014-04-22T07:03:11.173" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="3049" PostId="2876" Score="3" Text="I think you'll want to propose new wording for the help center, as currently it says the &quot;UNIX C API and System Interfaces&quot; is on-topic. As it seems really hard to say that its not OK to ask about how to call it in C, when you're calling it the C API." CreationDate="2014-04-22T07:06:57.260" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="3050" PostId="2876" Score="1" Text="... especially since you can't actually use (directly) the C API from bash or other scripting languages." CreationDate="2014-04-22T07:08:11.903" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="3051" PostId="2876" Score="0" Text="true... hmmm..." CreationDate="2014-04-22T07:19:55.210" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="3054" PostId="2875" Score="4" Text="What's wrong w/ &quot;@Gilles, WTF are you doing?&quot; WRT &quot;4 other people agreed w/ him&quot;, I'd bet 98%+ of things that enter the close queue get closed, so in that sense, either the people who cast the initial votes are 98%+ accurate in their judgement or in reality it only takes 1 vote + 4 rubber stamps to close a question." CreationDate="2014-04-22T11:59:55.910" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="3055" PostId="2879" Score="2" Text="Tnanks for writing, but what on earth is &quot;AWESOME-O&quot;?" CreationDate="2014-04-22T16:51:47.093" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="3056" PostId="2879" Score="1" Text="I would like to name the site as AWESOME-O :) It is just a name cartman keeps for himself, when he tries to fool butters in southpark :)" CreationDate="2014-04-22T16:53:36.210" UserId="47538" />
  <row Id="3057" PostId="2879" Score="0" Text="I see. I missed that pop culture reference. :-)" CreationDate="2014-04-22T16:56:41.960" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="3058" PostId="2879" Score="0" Text="Ramesh, are you still at school, or do you have a job now? If so, you could say a little about the job." CreationDate="2014-04-22T16:58:00.217" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="3059" PostId="2879" Score="0" Text="I am still at school only :) I will update it once I have a job :)" CreationDate="2014-04-22T16:59:15.880" UserId="47538" />
  <row Id="3060" PostId="2880" Score="0" Text="okay, I'll buy all that. I would still advocate with getting rid of the generic tags; they aren't very useful. I'd be fine with replacing them with something else, though." CreationDate="2014-04-23T23:49:34.293" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="3062" PostId="2880" Score="0" Text="@strugee Check my answer" CreationDate="2014-04-24T14:03:46.277" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="3063" PostId="2881" Score="1" Text="I disagree at least partly with your first examples. Deleting files can often be done with wildcards, whereas creating has to enumerate the exact desired names, plus creating has to provide content. Removing a file is rarely difficult due to filesystem or kernel issues, usually it's about name or permissions. In any case, generic statements aren't very useful, we need specific examples." CreationDate="2014-04-24T14:13:32.287" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="3064" PostId="2883" Score="0" Text="I think we still lack the synonym for future questions, don't we?" CreationDate="2014-04-24T19:22:32.057" UserId="40798" />
  <row Id="3065" PostId="2883" Score="0" Text="@JensErat I added it" CreationDate="2014-04-24T19:45:43.013" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="3067" PostId="612" Score="1" Text="“unlikely to diverge much” – I disagree. From the time of the fork they have had a different philosophy altogether, so divergence was inevitable. LibreOffice took the community with them and started rewriting all of the crap code, whereas OpenOffice was left to try to make something commercial out of it and started stripping out all of the copyleft LGPL code. There is a reason why everyone has been switching to LibreOffice you know. ;-)" CreationDate="2014-04-26T18:38:17.557" UserId="41517" />
  <row Id="3068" PostId="2884" Score="1" Text="haha... &quot;OP probably didn't have any backups&quot;. +1." CreationDate="2014-04-28T06:12:38.763" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="3069" PostId="2881" Score="0" Text="On the other hand, deleting is not the only thing that can be done with wildcards." CreationDate="2014-04-28T06:53:28.037" UserId="60296" />
  <row Id="3070" PostId="2872" Score="0" Text="The point is that requests for learning materials are not explicitly off topic in the help pages. New users cannot be expected to know this and this ignorance can lead to tensions. Stating that such questions are off topic would be useful." CreationDate="2014-04-28T15:03:38.497" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="3073" PostId="2874" Score="2" Text="BTW: I suggest we add [tag:remove] to the list. That's of course NOT [tag:rm], which is a reasonable tag." CreationDate="2014-05-01T16:41:11.413" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="3074" PostId="2887" Score="2" Text="See [Should the 24-hour timeout apply to bounties awarded for “exemplary answer”?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/116072/should-the-24-hour-timeout-apply-to-bounties-awarded-for-exemplary-answer) and [I want to award a bounty to an existing answer; should I have to wait 24 hours?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/107282/i-want-to-award-a-bounty-to-an-existing-answer-should-i-have-to-wait-24-hours)" CreationDate="2014-05-02T14:41:52.753" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="3075" PostId="2861" Score="0" Text="You might be interested in this http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/230967/213575" CreationDate="2014-05-03T20:05:52.900" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="3076" PostId="2858" Score="4" Text="Wonderful write up! I love the details and the way your life's story winds around the right for fair use. Terrific read!" CreationDate="2014-05-03T23:38:15.887" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="3077" PostId="2893" Score="1" Text="Thanks for writing, Patrick. And no need to make your answer short on our account. :-)" CreationDate="2014-05-04T20:06:54.650" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="3078" PostId="2874" Score="2" Text="Update: I have just retagged the final question with the delete tag. The delete tag is now finally empty! Next up, [tag:remove]." CreationDate="2014-05-05T23:54:00.603" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="3079" PostId="2720" Score="1" Text="@slm, If someone reads this &quot;About me&quot; section of yours, they can realize how much passionate you are about Linux :) It is really inspiring to read your &quot;About me&quot; section :)" CreationDate="2014-05-06T01:53:37.903" UserId="47538" />
  <row Id="3080" PostId="2895" Score="0" Text="FDO mailing list seems like a good place to start - perhaps you didn't choose the right mailing list... Which one from http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo did you post your question to?" CreationDate="2014-05-06T20:30:48.810" UserId="22886" />
  <row Id="3081" PostId="2874" Score="0" Text="Update: There is a [tag:remove] question in the deletion queue, it's the only one left. [tag:delete] has been purged. BURNINATION COMPLETE." CreationDate="2014-05-06T22:28:45.037" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="3082" PostId="2895" Score="0" Text="It was a long time ago, but I think it should have been the xdg one." CreationDate="2014-05-07T17:32:14.657" UserId="42189" />
  <row Id="3083" PostId="2895" Score="0" Text="Actually, it was not: it was to the freedesktop one.&#xA;I'll try the xdg one. Seems more apropriate." CreationDate="2014-05-07T18:49:08.360" UserId="42189" />
  <row Id="3084" PostId="2895" Score="0" Text="No comments so far..." CreationDate="2014-05-08T14:11:26.197" UserId="42189" />
  <row Id="3085" PostId="2895" Score="0" Text="Give it a couple of days - the xdg ml doesn't seem to be particularly high-volume one." CreationDate="2014-05-08T22:10:14.033" UserId="22886" />
  <row Id="3086" PostId="2887" Score="0" Text="It's only one day, not three. And you get reminders." CreationDate="2014-05-09T02:00:23.100" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="3087" PostId="2897" Score="1" Text="What about &quot;difference between X and Y?&quot; which is the [most voted question in the tag](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/986/what-are-the-pros-and-cons-of-vim-and-emacs)?" CreationDate="2014-05-09T02:15:09.607" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="3088" PostId="2897" Score="0" Text="@Braiam It's specifically about X and Y, so it should only be tagged X and Y, not [tag:editors]." CreationDate="2014-05-09T02:23:06.607" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="3089" PostId="2897" Score="0" Text="No more [tag:editors]+[tag:kate]." CreationDate="2014-05-09T02:23:47.847" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="3090" PostId="2897" Score="0" Text="I've gone through [tag:editors]+[tag:emacs]; only a couple of questions called for both tags. I'm leaving vi(m) to others." CreationDate="2014-05-09T02:29:43.543" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="3091" PostId="2887" Score="0" Text="@Gilles Depends on how old the question is. If the question is two days old then you can create the bounty at once and have to wait for 24 hours to assign it." CreationDate="2014-05-09T06:32:11.540" UserId="32191" />
  <row Id="3092" PostId="2898" Score="0" Text="after all mostly xen uses unix systems/kernels for dom0" CreationDate="2014-05-09T06:37:02.083" UserId="24394" />
  <row Id="3093" PostId="2900" Score="0" Text="considering the windows guest case I had I asked in superuser, thanks. Yet, not trying to offend, I think that U+L might have the more expert users..." CreationDate="2014-05-09T10:34:06.980" UserId="24394" />
  <row Id="3094" PostId="2896" Score="0" Text="It could be... or maybe noone even noticed. It seems to be a really small-volume list." CreationDate="2014-05-10T20:53:08.543" UserId="42189" />
  <row Id="3095" PostId="2895" Score="0" Text="Still no comments...&#xA;Do you think it would be ok for me to repeat the same question in superuser or some place else, or would it be better to link to this question and ask them to come here to help me?" CreationDate="2014-05-10T20:53:31.127" UserId="42189" />
  <row Id="3096" PostId="2648" Score="0" Text="@slm For the POSIX subject, I'm not sure what part of POSIX you intend it to cover, but perhaps you could include FHS in that. FHS by itself is too small for a blog post." CreationDate="2014-05-11T21:35:53.120" UserId="4358" />
  <row Id="3097" PostId="207" Score="0" Text="The question is about man pages, but this answer is about Google." CreationDate="2014-05-12T14:10:43.530" UserId="22005" />
  <row Id="3098" PostId="2903" Score="0" Text="you are a perfectionist as always :)" CreationDate="2014-05-14T01:09:20.410" UserId="47538" />
  <row Id="3099" PostId="2903" Score="0" Text="Just trying to close the loop 8-)" CreationDate="2014-05-14T01:16:26.010" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="3100" PostId="2543" Score="0" Text="I agree as well, bring it back please" CreationDate="2014-05-15T22:17:55.363" UserId="17307" />
  <row Id="3101" PostId="2907" Score="2" Text="mattdm [assures us](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/15651171#15651171) this is a picture of dmr's dog. Although he apparently held the shift key with his eyes while typing that, for some reason. At least I think that's what the next line in the transcript means." CreationDate="2014-05-21T21:50:33.720" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="3102" PostId="1062" Score="1" Text="@Mat What? *Food* is relevant to UNIX&amp;Linux users because it keeps us running the same way the Linux kernel keeps Ubuntu running. And yet we'd probably migrate questions about ravioli to [Seasoned Advice](http://cooking.stackexchange.com/). *Relevancy* doesn't matter. *Specificity* matters." CreationDate="2014-05-23T21:21:28.700" UserId="16404" />
  <row Id="3103" PostId="2571" Score="0" Text="[He didn't design it in the first place.](http://meta.serverfault.com/a/3994/33417) But I'm open to suggestions." CreationDate="2014-05-25T06:05:17.053" UserId="5083" />
  <row Id="3104" PostId="345" Score="0" Text="On the third hand, the homework tag was blacklisted on SO." CreationDate="2014-05-26T22:52:49.443" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="3105" PostId="2893" Score="0" Text="Glad to have you here, nice to know your background in addition to your solid answers 8-)" CreationDate="2014-05-26T23:52:27.797" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="3106" PostId="2910" Score="2" Text="What's the objective? Even if we all think &quot;OMG, WE AREN'T FREE LABOR&quot;, what do you want to get out of this question?" CreationDate="2014-05-27T02:41:29.037" UserId="4358" />
  <row Id="3107" PostId="2910" Score="5" Text="@Patrick discussion. That people flesh out their opinions about the topic. That's why my position is neutral in the post itself." CreationDate="2014-05-27T03:07:30.660" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="3108" PostId="2913" Score="0" Text="thanks for clarifying my question. Actually, I am very eager to get lots of badges and reputation and that is the reason for posting this question. Why I included the P.S was some people might feel this question is kiddish :) But not me since I want to be actively involved in this site :)" CreationDate="2014-05-27T15:21:43.763" UserId="47538" />
  <row Id="3109" PostId="2914" Score="1" Text="Well, to me it's more of a forum, but that doesn't mean people shouldn't search first. I'd say those posts are easy to indirectly improve, by making the person be very specific and ask for a meta/pseudocode approach. If people are starting out in a new language (especially when dealing with a new paradigm, like functional programming), I'd give some leeway. In case of Admin specific stuff (&quot;I need a script, that does...&quot;), I'd point the person to one of the uncountable cookbooks out there, sometimes even point to the exact solution." CreationDate="2014-05-28T17:13:40.103" UserId="1290" />
  <row Id="3110" PostId="2915" Score="1" Text="I often feel the same way, but then sometimes I think - *&quot;Hey! Free homework!&quot;* I'm wishy-washy like that sometimes." CreationDate="2014-05-29T03:47:00.697" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="3111" PostId="2915" Score="0" Text="I hope you're not suggesting that it's fun to do somebody else's homework for them. Because ultimately that hurts the person who should be doing their own homework. What's the point of attending a class and not bothering to learn from it? Or, if they're in it to up their grade based on your work, that hurts the honest people in their class by rewarding laziness. If you like doing the homework, do it, but don't post it ;)" CreationDate="2014-05-29T21:47:40.440" UserId="56157" />
  <row Id="3112" PostId="2911" Score="4" Text="Shouldn't votes on post by independent of OP's previous track record?" CreationDate="2014-05-30T11:19:24.917" UserId="20447" />
  <row Id="3113" PostId="2911" Score="0" Text="@BleedingFingers - I don't understand what you're saying." CreationDate="2014-05-30T11:47:40.213" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="3114" PostId="2568" Score="0" Text="@JosephR. I don't see it; could you explain, please?" CreationDate="2014-05-30T12:30:50.323" UserId="56993" />
  <row Id="3115" PostId="2911" Score="0" Text="*&quot;If they've done this many times, downvote them..&quot;* shouldn't votes be independent OP's previous track record and be solely based on the merits of the question? (sorry for the confusion, I meant &quot;be&quot; instead of &quot;by&quot; in the previous comment)" CreationDate="2014-05-30T12:39:27.667" UserId="20447" />
  <row Id="3116" PostId="2911" Score="4" Text="@BleedingFingers - yes and no. If I see an OP asking the same un-researched Q's over and over then no, it's completely appropriate to DV more un-researched Q's or Q's where they made no attempt to help themselves. As others have stated, this isn't a scripting service that we're providing here, we're here to help ppl get better at understanding Unix &amp; Linux. These types of users are called help vampires. You can read about it [here](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/19665/the-help-vampire-problem) and [here](http://jasonwryan.com/blog/2012/03/17/vampires/)." CreationDate="2014-05-30T12:52:54.987" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="3117" PostId="2915" Score="1" Text="@BobDoolittle - rather then do it for them, I try and help them understand how to do it. Obviously some ppl respond well and genuinely are looking for guidance on how to start, but there is that segment of the population that just wants a free lunch, for those I deal with them as described in my A." CreationDate="2014-05-30T12:55:23.030" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="3118" PostId="2920" Score="2" Text="I've added the tag. You can feel free to edit Q's as well. It'll go into a review Q where higher rep'd users can review it for validity. http://unix.stackexchange.com/review" CreationDate="2014-05-30T13:01:49.387" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="3119" PostId="2568" Score="3" Text="@NewWorld Try this: `grep -oP '\w+' /etc/shells | tail -1`" CreationDate="2014-05-30T13:04:43.227" UserId="26909" />
  <row Id="3120" PostId="2568" Score="2" Text="@NewWorld, yes, that's inspired from _ZFS: the last word in filesystems_. The image itself is stolen from http://zshwiki.org" CreationDate="2014-05-30T13:24:55.593" UserId="22565" />
  <row Id="3121" PostId="2915" Score="0" Text="@BobDoolittle - I'm selfish, though. Other people's grades are their own concerns. In any case, my primary purpose here is to learn, and if others are kind enough to provide the learning materials necessary to do so, I might not judge them too harshly for it." CreationDate="2014-05-30T14:20:00.570" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="3122" PostId="2920" Score="0" Text="I consider tag edits as minor, not worth the +2 rep, I wasn't willing to check if it could use some improvement and was unsure if it was appropriate because I think answers to a question should not dictate it's off-topicness and tag. Hence I asked the community." CreationDate="2014-05-30T16:35:38.220" UserId="20447" />
  <row Id="3123" PostId="2920" Score="1" Text="The rep is not the reason to edit questions. Your explanation in the question here IS!" CreationDate="2014-05-30T20:48:34.503" UserId="14084" />
  <row Id="3124" PostId="2918" Score="0" Text="Would it be ontopic on http://serverfault.com/ ?" CreationDate="2014-05-30T20:54:47.333" UserId="14084" />
  <row Id="3125" PostId="2918" Score="0" Text="@Bernhard are you asking that, or suggesting it as additional clarification? If asking, no, it wouldn't be. If for clarification, I think Serverfault has a fairly different idea of on-topic vs. us. (Also, if asking, their meta would be the right place.)" CreationDate="2014-05-30T21:11:12.903" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="3126" PostId="2920" Score="0" Text="There are some grammatical problems with that question... So, yeah, there is a good chance it'd be rejected as too minor if you didn't also fix those." CreationDate="2014-05-30T21:16:25.910" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="3127" PostId="2918" Score="0" Text="I was just asking, because imho it was an option, but apparently not :)" CreationDate="2014-05-30T21:36:03.360" UserId="14084" />
  <row Id="3128" PostId="2917" Score="0" Text="I should note that since you're specifying the language it's written in, that it sounds like this is a bootloader you're programming. Not just one you're using." CreationDate="2014-05-30T21:39:03.867" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="3133" PostId="2924" Score="11" Text="Congrats on your new job. Sounds exciting!" CreationDate="2014-06-03T15:34:52.683" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="3134" PostId="2924" Score="2" Text="@slm Thanks — it is and will be! I had intended to write something a little more eloquent here, but... it's a busy day, turns out. :)" CreationDate="2014-06-03T15:45:53.193" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="3135" PostId="2924" Score="4" Text="Congrats and I hope to see you around ;)" CreationDate="2014-06-03T15:49:40.173" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="3136" PostId="2922" Score="0" Text="If you change the first line to &quot;no it should not&quot; as the rant made me think, I would upvote your answer." CreationDate="2014-06-03T15:54:25.300" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="3137" PostId="2922" Score="0" Text="@Braiam I changed it to 'if tail should exist...', how's that?" CreationDate="2014-06-03T15:56:15.083" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="3138" PostId="2922" Score="0" Text="Now I do not understand your position at all. You say that a question which one of the solutions is using tail should be tagged tail even trough there are other answers do not mention tail?" CreationDate="2014-06-03T16:01:46.407" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="3139" PostId="2922" Score="0" Text="@Braiam I think the tag is weird because its bordering on silly to have it. But its sort of the &quot;canonical&quot; answer to following a file. Yes, there are other ways (there almost always are). Compare to if someone was trying to get a scanner to work—would we tag it [tag:SANE]? SANE experts would be the people to help. (We might tag it [tag:scanner] instead, but I'm not sure what the generic of tail is.)" CreationDate="2014-06-03T16:27:14.063" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="3140" PostId="2925" Score="16" Text="Geez Shog, nobody's supposed to know about the secret S.E.S.L. headquarters. Now we gotta up and move the Lair again. *sigh*" CreationDate="2014-06-03T17:24:38.603" UserId="337" />
  <row Id="3142" PostId="2920" Score="0" Text="Only if you also tag it `less +F`..." CreationDate="2014-06-04T00:15:18.217" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="3143" PostId="2931" Score="1" Text="I see! If `LC_ALL` is not set `LANG=C` works as well. I will update my answer when I'm on the computer again." CreationDate="2014-06-04T03:50:03.627" UserId="45867" />
  <row Id="3144" PostId="2931" Score="0" Text="@BrainStone - that's true, which is why I upvoted it, but if it is set it will override it anyway." CreationDate="2014-06-04T03:58:45.777" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="3145" PostId="2924" Score="0" Text="I know the feeling, I kind of stopped being active as I moved into development, hopefully things go well for you." CreationDate="2014-06-04T04:46:58.993" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="3146" PostId="2927" Score="0" Text="See also: http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/572/unix-se-vs-serverfault-vs-superuser-vs-android-se" CreationDate="2014-06-04T06:29:29.323" UserId="14084" />
  <row Id="3148" PostId="2932" Score="0" Text="Updated my question." CreationDate="2014-06-04T12:19:44.983" UserId="45867" />
  <row Id="3149" PostId="2930" Score="0" Text="Do you have some statistics on how often this problem shows up?" CreationDate="2014-06-04T12:22:23.023" UserId="14084" />
  <row Id="3150" PostId="2930" Score="0" Text="I've seen it quite a few times (too many IMHO) but I don't have statistics on that. Sorry." CreationDate="2014-06-04T12:30:32.443" UserId="45867" />
  <row Id="3151" PostId="2910" Score="0" Text="An example: *[Counting the occurrences of the string](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/134446)*" CreationDate="2014-06-04T20:06:25.187" UserId="8284" />
  <row Id="3152" PostId="2925" Score="2" Text="@RobertCartaino Is this what prompted the [#stackDCmove](https://twitter.com/hashtag/stackDCmove?src=hash)? 'cause you know the new location is being leaked (even without help from Shog) in geotags right?" CreationDate="2014-06-06T06:40:32.840" UserId="1925" />
  <row Id="3153" PostId="314" Score="0" Text="See also [Is the Unix C API still on-topic?](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/2875/is-the-unix-c-api-still-on-topic)" CreationDate="2014-06-06T15:32:47.277" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="3154" PostId="2935" Score="0" Text="With the exception of questions that pertain to Ubuntu-specific issues, like PPAs or Mir and those types of things..." CreationDate="2014-06-06T20:55:09.147" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="3155" PostId="2936" Score="0" Text="wonderful and detailed explanation. Thanks :)" CreationDate="2014-06-07T02:12:34.633" UserId="47538" />
  <row Id="3156" PostId="2876" Score="1" Text="@derobert The audience of this site is users and aministrators of Unix-like systems, not programmers. If you're seeing the system interfaces from a user's or administrator's perspective, it's on-topic. If you're seeing it from a programmer's perspective, as in the question that prompted your meta question, it's off-topic." CreationDate="2014-06-08T01:22:48.140" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="3157" PostId="2878" Score="3" Text="I disagree with making Unix system programming on-topic, not only because it would be a major change to the site's scope for no good reason, but also because the resulting scope would be brittle. See [my answer](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/a/2937) for a more detailed explanation. Unix kernel programming is even worse: that is very far removed from user and administrator experience — apart from RTFS, users and administrators never see the insides of the kernel." CreationDate="2014-06-08T01:24:41.747" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="3159" PostId="2935" Score="2" Text="@jasonwryan Questions about installing programs from PPAs or building packages to upload them to PPAs are on-topic here. It's only questions about the Ubuntu project that are not about using an Ubuntu system, such as questions about Launchpad accounts, that are off-topic here." CreationDate="2014-06-08T01:40:29.703" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="3160" PostId="2931" Score="0" Text="@BrainStone No: `LANG=C` only overrides a prior `LANG` setting. Specific `LC_xxx` settings have precedence over `LANG`. `LC_ALL=C` overrides all locale settings (except for the GNU `LANGUAGE` variable, which should be set to `C` as well)." CreationDate="2014-06-08T01:46:17.913" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="3161" PostId="2934" Score="0" Text="@Gilles - thanks, I keep forgetting to search meta like the public site for dups." CreationDate="2014-06-08T01:48:38.847" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="3162" PostId="2875" Score="0" Text="I gotta agree with Gilles on this as well." CreationDate="2014-06-08T02:00:11.533" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="3163" PostId="2875" Score="0" Text="Come *back*, @goldilocks..." CreationDate="2014-06-08T03:22:59.293" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="3164" PostId="2935" Score="0" Text="@Gilles: fair enough, I thought PPAs were an Ubuntu thing..." CreationDate="2014-06-08T03:55:50.263" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="3165" PostId="2938" Score="0" Text="Thanks for sharing. It's nice to see so many people that are similar minded 8-)." CreationDate="2014-06-08T08:08:57.137" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="3166" PostId="2938" Score="1" Text="Thanks for writing. We don't seem to get a lot of people from Asia here, and I had not noticed anyone from Vietnam before. Though I see you do list Hanoi as your location in your profile." CreationDate="2014-06-08T09:16:12.687" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="3167" PostId="2935" Score="1" Text="@jasonwryan They are, but being about Ubuntu doesn't make it off-topic. Ubuntu is a unix variant." CreationDate="2014-06-08T10:54:22.717" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="3168" PostId="2935" Score="1" Text="@Gilles: this makes no sense to me, if PPAs and Mir are on-topic here, then there seems little reason not to merge the sites." CreationDate="2014-06-08T17:20:07.297" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="4168" PostId="2935" Score="0" Text="@jasonwryan The sites cater to different audiences. On [ubuntu.se] there are people who use Ubuntu and don't care that it's part of a larger family. Here there are people who might use Ubuntu but just like they'd use Fedora or FreeBSD. Given how much larger the AU traffic is compared with U&amp;L, if the sites were merged, we'd be drowned in AU." CreationDate="2014-06-08T17:32:54.783" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="4169" PostId="2935" Score="0" Text="@Gilles agreed about the drowning part; that is why I had assumed that Ubuntu-specific questions should be migrated (and, fwiw, the majority of those I flag are)." CreationDate="2014-06-08T18:32:20.943" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="4170" PostId="2936" Score="0" Text="Don't forget that there's also overlap with StackOverflow, as scripting is programming, so it's on-topic there (but hand-typed one-liners probably not -- the boundary is fuzzy)." CreationDate="2014-06-09T20:50:56.103" UserId="61098" />
  <row Id="4171" PostId="2936" Score="0" Text="@Barmar look at the first paragraph under the picture...." CreationDate="2014-06-09T21:40:08.950" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="4172" PostId="2943" Score="3" Text="Much of this is explained on the [election page](http://unix.stackexchange.com/election/2?tab=nomination), in the bar on the right side" CreationDate="2014-06-09T23:28:44.220" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="4173" PostId="2935" Score="0" Text="@Gilles while I agree that questions are on topic here (and I should have clarified this in the question), I still believe that the clarity of the site is reduced and the answer fails to address this issue. surely, ubuntu questions are on topic here, but if a large topic as `ubuntu` can get a SE site of its own, it becomes organisationally more convinient to address ubuntu questions there." CreationDate="2014-06-10T10:01:02.043" UserId="29529" />
  <row Id="4174" PostId="2543" Score="0" Text="I'm wondering if this shouldn't be migrated to MSE. Thoughts?" CreationDate="2014-06-10T12:13:38.177" UserId="1925" />
  <row Id="4175" PostId="2945" Score="0" Text="Hmmm, I don't like that much. It's too “in your face”, and not at the right time. I want to know the number before voting, not after." CreationDate="2014-06-10T13:24:06.557" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="4176" PostId="2543" Score="1" Text="@Caleb I deliberately posted here and not on MSE because this affects me specifically as a U&amp;L user and not on other sites. While I'm aware that this is a cross-site issue, this is me as a U&amp;L user complaining about a change that affects me directly, as opposed to me as a generic SE user complaining that something has changed." CreationDate="2014-06-10T13:28:20.450" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="4177" PostId="2944" Score="1" Text="The chatter in [chat] the other day leads me to think quite a few people would support _you_ if you were to nominate yourself. Have you considered it?" CreationDate="2014-06-10T13:30:26.000" UserId="1925" />
  <row Id="4178" PostId="2949" Score="0" Text="Can you modify the language for shell-script to bash? Since that's almost all the shell script question posted in the site written with, we may just tell the system so." CreationDate="2014-06-11T04:07:37.670" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="4179" PostId="2949" Score="3" Text="From what I can tell, bsh, csh, and sh are all [highlighted the same](http://code.google.com/p/google-code-prettify/source/browse/trunk/js-modules/prettify.js#728), so I changed the bash tag to use sh highlighting. Seems to work" CreationDate="2014-06-11T04:53:01.007" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="4180" PostId="2734" Score="0" Text="There is another [a Linux Mint](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/a/2625/1925) ad option that I think is prettier. Since it's specific to the LMDE edition, maybe this could be revised with something prettier for the main edition. Maybe based on artwork from 17?" CreationDate="2014-06-11T07:20:16.587" UserId="1925" />
  <row Id="4182" PostId="2953" Score="3" Text="More interesting  might be to extend this to things that are 'bad' rather than 'wrong'. Like `alias rm=trash`." CreationDate="2014-06-11T15:29:32.423" UserId="1925" />
  <row Id="4183" PostId="2953" Score="0" Text="@Caleb I'll leave that to the nominees, if they want to expand on it they are more than welcome" CreationDate="2014-06-11T15:35:30.953" UserId="65452" />
  <row Id="4184" PostId="2958" Score="0" Text="Ok, I get it from the downvote. But it would be nicer if they had mentioned the reason for dv.  All work and no play makes jack a dull boy." CreationDate="2014-06-11T16:28:09.773" UserId="47538" />
  <row Id="4185" PostId="2958" Score="3" Text="Because [we hate fun](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/01/stack-overflow-where-we-hate-fun/)? (Except involving cows, somehow.)" CreationDate="2014-06-11T17:51:33.260" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="4186" PostId="2958" Score="0" Text="@Gilles No, it's Stack Overflow that hates fun. Here, we love fun." CreationDate="2014-06-11T18:42:50.427" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="4188" PostId="2907" Score="3" Text="Wow!  This is the best I've seen!  Such helpful, much updates, many fun!  Even so news!  +1" CreationDate="2014-06-11T20:33:19.813" UserId="28354" />
  <row Id="4190" PostId="2955" Score="1" Text="... And of course, weigh in at http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/2908/should-command-only-answers-be-flagged-down-voted-and-deleted" CreationDate="2014-06-11T21:46:02.973" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="4192" PostId="2954" Score="0" Text="See also http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/2910/how-do-you-feel-about-give-me-teh-codez-questions (which of course I'm sure Braiam knows about!)" CreationDate="2014-06-11T22:05:34.990" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="4193" PostId="2955" Score="3" Text="Perhaps relatedly is code-only answers, with no explanation." CreationDate="2014-06-12T00:01:55.153" UserId="4358" />
  <row Id="4194" PostId="2958" Score="0" Text="Ok, I get it that we are not here for `fun`. So what is the tag `fun` supposed to  be? Why is it used? Apparently, the very core reason of this site's sanity is being compromised here. I am not against downvoting, but those downvoting please let me know the reason atleast." CreationDate="2014-06-12T00:46:50.000" UserId="47538" />
  <row Id="4195" PostId="2878" Score="1" Text="Unix programming can be done in *lots* of languages, i.e. in Perl or Python, or a slew of others. All on-topic?!" CreationDate="2014-06-12T01:18:32.130" UserId="28496" />
  <row Id="4196" PostId="2958" Score="0" Text="Do you see the &quot;fun&quot; tag in the main site ;)." CreationDate="2014-06-12T02:18:37.733" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="4197" PostId="2958" Score="0" Text="Ha, apparently the moderators will still be responsible for running the meta site too right? :)" CreationDate="2014-06-12T02:19:44.203" UserId="47538" />
  <row Id="4198" PostId="2878" Score="0" Text="@vonbrand Do people do Unix system programming or kernel programming in Perl or Python?" CreationDate="2014-06-12T08:02:36.087" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="4199" PostId="2956" Score="1" Text="I thought this was already discussed 8-)" CreationDate="2014-06-12T12:09:07.613" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="4200" PostId="2961" Score="0" Text="Based on the comments left by Chris on my nomination this is very troubling to me as well. As to the list it's saying that there are 15% of our Q's w/o an A or 15% of our Q's are w/o an A or have an A but w/o any UV's on the A's?" CreationDate="2014-06-12T12:29:28.000" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="4201" PostId="2961" Score="0" Text="As to the position on stats, if you sort it by traffic we're # 9. Of the top 10 by traffic we're # 3 on the list w/ Q's A'ed, beating out SO, SU, SF, and SU, so I'm not sure what any of this is really telling us." CreationDate="2014-06-12T12:39:24.133" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="4202" PostId="2955" Score="0" Text="@Patrick it's &quot;code-only answers&quot; that I'm referring to ;), just that I didn't want to use that terminology." CreationDate="2014-06-12T13:38:04.377" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="4203" PostId="2961" Score="1" Text="@slm Parse error: abbreviation overflow. If you're asking what http://stackexchange.com/sites#percentanswered counts, read my answer here. (Well, technically I think it's questions with at least one answer with a positive score.)" CreationDate="2014-06-12T15:07:21.177" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="4204" PostId="2961" Score="2" Text="Sorry where's the A I should read?" CreationDate="2014-06-12T17:12:01.413" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="4206" PostId="2956" Score="1" Text="@slm if you see the [timeline](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/posts/2875/timeline) it seems still an active topic (some votes are moving after I posted this), and until the waters calm down (a conclusion is reached) moderators may have to call shots based on their own judgment." CreationDate="2014-06-12T18:44:16.900" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="4207" PostId="2961" Score="0" Text="@slm re first comment: unanswered rate, the &quot;15%&quot; that are considered unanswered means that *doesn't have any answer with positive score* this includes both, questions w/o answers and questions with answers. re 2nd comment, I presume you are referring to the top 10 sites by traffic in which we are the #3 only behind Arqade and ELU, in that case you are right. Out the 10 more *popular* sites we are in a far 3rd place when answered rate refers to (1st ELU with 99% and 2nd Gaming with 97%)." CreationDate="2014-06-12T18:52:12.900" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="4208" PostId="2961" Score="0" Text="@Braiam - so that would seem to cast the perceived low rate in Q's w/ or w/o an A's (all together or w/o a UV) in a positive light, IMO." CreationDate="2014-06-12T19:35:55.020" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="4210" PostId="2948" Score="0" Text="possible duplicate of [The syntax highligher for this js script seems to have a bug for the code after the \*/](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/1035/the-syntax-highligher-for-this-js-script-seems-to-have-a-bug-for-the-code-after)" CreationDate="2014-06-13T00:24:01.737" UserId="10043" />
  <row Id="4212" PostId="2967" Score="1" Text="Occasionally C code will appear in answers, generally when the answer starts with “there is no standard shell command to do what you want”. But if C code appears in a question, it's almost always on-topic. The difference between administrator scripting and programs that programmers write isn't only or even primarily the language, but also the complexity. A Perl one-liner would be ok here, but not a 5kLoC Perl application." CreationDate="2014-06-13T01:37:11.800" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="4213" PostId="2967" Score="1" Text="@Gilles I agree with you that complexity is important, and my suggesting is that the complexity be limited to essentially no more than just calling the API function. Which does cover the mount question." CreationDate="2014-06-13T01:39:25.757" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="4214" PostId="2968" Score="2" Text="Shouldn't this be in the answer section? :P" CreationDate="2014-06-13T02:10:36.727" UserId="47538" />
  <row Id="4215" PostId="2966" Score="0" Text="The question may read “licensee”, but it's probably a spelling error for “license”, because “What Red Hat licensee to get” wouldn't make sense." CreationDate="2014-06-13T02:34:29.050" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="4216" PostId="2966" Score="0" Text="@Gilles Perhaps: it doesn't fundamentally change the fact that the question is more about RedHat's commercial arrangements than the license *per se*" CreationDate="2014-06-13T03:31:42.377" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="4217" PostId="2965" Score="1" Text="...for the simple reason that the _urge_ to intervene with mod powers will be stronger. Not that the case is different just the temptation stronger. Hence why I would ask candidates about the issue including that variant of the situation." CreationDate="2014-06-13T04:47:43.157" UserId="1925" />
  <row Id="4218" PostId="2968" Score="1" Text="See also http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/a/1028/73. It's technically possible to quote Wikipedia and cite it, but it's almost never a useful wiki anyway" CreationDate="2014-06-13T05:25:06.753" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="4219" PostId="2973" Score="1" Text="Thanks. I will look out for it and notify in case something suspicious happens again. :)" CreationDate="2014-06-13T15:04:55.177" UserId="47538" />
  <row Id="4220" PostId="2965" Score="0" Text="@Caleb - I had hoped that was your reason. And now I have asked it." CreationDate="2014-06-13T15:43:45.497" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="4221" PostId="2965" Score="0" Text="Well then, I guess I've already shown my cards on that one ;)" CreationDate="2014-06-13T15:58:37.323" UserId="1925" />
  <row Id="4222" PostId="2962" Score="3" Text="I would sudo and make root install Windows 8.crap over top of his precious Hanah Montana Linux then `cowsay Victory!` into the sunset" CreationDate="2014-06-13T20:37:08.930" UserId="65452" />
  <row Id="4224" PostId="2972" Score="3" Text="This document is oft quoted in relation to the issue, and although it contains an interesting analysis about information deficit, it also references &quot;virtual [bedouins](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedouin)&quot; and &quot;[gypsy](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itinerant_groups_in_Europe)-like behavior&quot; as &quot;when they have exhausted all the resources, leaving the community itself drained and adrift.&quot; All in the context of an &quot;infestation&quot;. We're talking about minority groups which are not having it easy. It is troubling." CreationDate="2014-06-13T21:05:41.137" UserDisplayName="user44370" />
  <row Id="4226" PostId="1197" Score="0" Text="Please don't add Ubuntu, that puts it in the Ubuntu chat room, and it is frustrating to see questions tagged with ubuntu that have nothing to do with Ubuntu there." CreationDate="2014-06-15T18:59:02.143" UserId="18237" />
  <row Id="4227" PostId="2979" Score="0" Text="Facepalm -- did not notice the blue box changed for each tab." CreationDate="2014-06-16T14:44:23.130" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="4228" PostId="2668" Score="1" Text="@mikeserv - can't you use your about your 'about me', even if it is not blank..." CreationDate="2014-06-16T21:16:14.310" UserId="52956" />
  <row Id="4229" PostId="2981" Score="0" Text="I'm more or less satisfied by your answers here, but they don't seem to go into detail about consultation with other moderators. The answer to #9 in particular does not mention procuring anything outside the realm of your own judgment, which concerns me a little. I think when banning a user, especially on a small site like this one, moderators should take the time to discuss between themselves what to do when encountering the productive but problematic user, rather than one moderator taking action alone. It seems clear from the question that the situation is not requiring an urgent ban." CreationDate="2014-06-17T04:47:52.360" UserId="10762" />
  <row Id="4230" PostId="141" Score="10" Text="Oh the irony -- your suggested image link is returning a 404." CreationDate="2014-06-17T06:49:11.360" UserId="1925" />
  <row Id="4231" PostId="2981" Score="1" Text="Nice responses. One question, you say that (Q9) your approach would be to &quot;Talk. Talk&quot; How do you do that? In chat? Not everyone uses it. In comments? That doesn't really work. How do you intend to communicate with us?" CreationDate="2014-06-17T08:02:23.363" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="4232" PostId="2981" Score="0" Text="@ChrisDown absolutely. I will edit in a second to make that clearer. I would never ban a user or take any other such drastic measures without consulting the other mods. Especially since I'd be the &quot;new guy&quot;. I completely agree that consultation with other mods is essential and I expect to be doing that a lot, particularly in the beginning as I learn the ropes but also down the line if any thorny issues come up." CreationDate="2014-06-17T10:42:24.037" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="4233" PostId="2981" Score="0" Text="@jasonwryan yes, I was thinking in chat. I didn't mean I'd wait around hoping the user would turn up, I meant I'd invite them to a chatroom by email or message and deal with the issue there. If, for some reason, a user really dislikes the chat approach , I'd email them." CreationDate="2014-06-17T10:43:57.010" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="4234" PostId="2982" Score="3" Text="After reading this I am glad I voted for you. I haven't read all the other nominees answers yet, but you seem to have a good grasp on U&amp;L's problems, few though they might be, and know how to fix them." CreationDate="2014-06-17T21:46:58.400" UserId="28893" />
  <row Id="4236" PostId="2982" Score="4" Text="@slm Curious why you changed &quot;I am&quot; to &quot;I'm&quot;? &quot;I am&quot; is perfectly correct English." CreationDate="2014-06-17T22:05:23.443" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="4237" PostId="2984" Score="0" Text="I *had* to upvote you after the link love... :)" CreationDate="2014-06-17T23:29:21.650" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="4238" PostId="2984" Score="1" Text="@jasonwryan - that blog post shows up 3rd in google when you search. That's not an easy task. It's the best article I've found on the subject. I've referenced it a bunch of times too 8-)." CreationDate="2014-06-18T00:36:06.487" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="4239" PostId="2982" Score="0" Text="@derobert - since I was fixing other typos I fixed that too. Thought it read better with a contraction there vs. 2 `I am`'s back to back." CreationDate="2014-06-18T00:41:27.213" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="4240" PostId="2968" Score="7" Text="@Ramesh and mikeserv: Rules are a little more flexible than they are on main.  Not all posts on meta are questions, sometimes they are just announcements or educational. The answer section can be used for discussion/feedback on such posts. If the OP wants to be really tricky or if they want others to pose alternate solutions to an issue the question can take the form of &quot;Is X a problem?&quot;, then self answer with &quot;Yes, and I think the solution is Y.&quot; This allows voting to be separate for [dis]agreement on the issue vs. the question but it is by no means a required format on meta." CreationDate="2014-06-18T11:16:57.557" UserId="1925" />
  <row Id="4243" PostId="2983" Score="0" Text="You completely ignore the second question in the first, ahem, question. IMO that is a very important one to be asking. Do you have an answer for it?" CreationDate="2014-06-18T19:46:26.850" UserId="28893" />
  <row Id="4244" PostId="2985" Score="0" Text="Congrats, after reading this, you got my last vote. I am curious though, a good part of the average strife you will see comes from the chat system. How would you handle strife in chat? Unfortunately it isn't quite as easy as comments." CreationDate="2014-06-18T20:32:53.253" UserId="28893" />
  <row Id="4245" PostId="2983" Score="0" Text="@Seth sure, added." CreationDate="2014-06-18T20:43:15.723" UserId="11750" />
  <row Id="4246" PostId="2985" Score="0" Text="@Seth Do you have a reason to believe that such is true for this site? From my perception, there is little to no &quot;strife&quot; in the chat for U&amp;LSE." CreationDate="2014-06-19T04:06:57.707" UserId="10762" />
  <row Id="4247" PostId="2985" Score="0" Text="@ChrisDown No, there is little strife in all the rooms I frequent, but when you are a moderator on one site you become a moderator SE wide in chat (excluding SO and MSE), so you get more responsibility that way. Even with this site, chat is more likely to spawn drama because of the way it is, compared to the way a SE site is." CreationDate="2014-06-19T04:14:13.670" UserId="28893" />
  <row Id="4249" PostId="2668" Score="1" Text="@Wilf - I might have, but after looking at yours, I refuse to play. You've already won." CreationDate="2014-06-19T08:16:15.317" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="4250" PostId="2985" Score="0" Text="@Seth I edited a slightly modified version (extra step) of my now obsolete comment into my answer." CreationDate="2014-06-19T17:05:41.573" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="4251" PostId="2984" Score="2" Text="*Now I help do a decent amount of the reviewing on this site. With a binding vote, I'll abstain until a quorum of votes has been established on a given item.* Doesn't that mean if we elected you mod, you'd be doing **less** to help the site? Casting the first vote (which you often currently do) puts the item into the review queues, bringing it to the attention of everyone else. If you stopped doing that, I wonder how many things would be missed?" CreationDate="2014-06-19T17:09:43.467" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="4252" PostId="2974" Score="1" Text="I've submitted a tag wiki edit for [tag:kernel-modules] to try to reflect your suggested usage here. I think its important to get how to use tags into the excerpt, because people asking questions will actually see it there, unlike here on meta..." CreationDate="2014-06-19T17:33:23.410" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="4253" PostId="2984" Score="1" Text="@derobert - I agree, but I felt from the exchanges I've been having w/ ppl, since putting my name in, that there is a fair amount of concern about my having a binding vote, so I included that statement in here as a starting position. Given I've never held a mod position I obviously have the most to learn vs. yourself or Caleb or Kevin, but I'm imagining over time as I gain experience I would increase my using of this ability over time. Also I would still review things as they come in but in borderline situations, would utilize the chat room to alert others to these issues [cont]." CreationDate="2014-06-19T23:00:47.407" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="4254" PostId="2984" Score="0" Text="@derobert - I view me being a mod, as a truly new endeavor that I would like to gain experience in. I enjoy finding new things to learn and grow, and ultimately was one of my main reason for putting my name in." CreationDate="2014-06-19T23:10:08.600" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="4255" PostId="2984" Score="0" Text="Hey - I resemble that accusation..." CreationDate="2014-06-20T18:09:38.913" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="4256" PostId="2984" Score="0" Text="I dig it when people decide to do a thing in order to learn how to do it better. We all stand on the shoulders of giants, or, at least, a stack of pygmies that resembles a giant from far off." CreationDate="2014-06-20T18:16:36.907" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="4257" PostId="2983" Score="0" Text="by what book? Is it written...?" CreationDate="2014-06-20T22:59:14.850" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="4258" PostId="2983" Score="0" Text="@mikeserv It's [an idiom](http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/by+the+book), referring to following the rules from a rulebook strictly. There are a few resources and guidelines for moderators (e.g. [A Theory of moderation](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2009/05/a-theory-of-moderation/)), but no literal rulebook." CreationDate="2014-06-20T23:14:05.907" UserId="11750" />
  <row Id="4259" PostId="2983" Score="0" Text="That was my suspicion, but I didn't know. Now I do. Thank you." CreationDate="2014-06-20T23:16:00.447" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="4260" PostId="2937" Score="0" Text="[`unlink`](http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/functions/unlink.html) and [`remove`](http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/functions/remove.html) man pages for the curious." CreationDate="2014-06-21T22:39:19.337" UserId="1174" />
  <row Id="4261" PostId="2990" Score="1" Text="Actually, I find it a useful feature. In theory, it should be unnecessary, because (I suppose) one would get the same results by doing a search for the title. However, in practice, one frequently forgets to do that. After you've typed in the question and moved the cursor, the list of &quot;Questions that may already have your answer&quot; should go away. Doesn't it?" CreationDate="2014-06-22T13:22:32.077" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="4262" PostId="2990" Score="0" Text="It goes away, but it comes back if I refine the question before submitting.  Yes, it is an useful feature, but it is implemented in an annoying way.  I would rather see an empty suggestion box (when there are no suggestions) than having such box come and go." CreationDate="2014-06-22T13:31:38.683" UserId="8785" />
  <row Id="4263" PostId="2981" Score="4" Text="I'm sorry.  I just can't vote for an emacs user.  They have too much power already." CreationDate="2014-06-23T11:40:52.500" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="4264" PostId="2981" Score="0" Text="And this is only the beginning @goldilocks..." CreationDate="2014-06-23T15:07:04.417" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="4265" PostId="1227" Score="0" Text="@evilsoup actually the main point of tags is connecting experts with the questions they want to answer. Searching is secondary." CreationDate="2014-06-23T17:18:07.860" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="4266" PostId="2991" Score="0" Text="I agree that the suggestion box is useful and it should have high visibility. If it only avoided making the text area jump up and down..." CreationDate="2014-06-23T22:59:33.860" UserId="8785" />
  <row Id="4267" PostId="2990" Score="0" Text="Write the title last?" CreationDate="2014-06-23T23:09:06.037" UserDisplayName="user44370" />
  <row Id="4268" PostId="2990" Score="0" Text="@illuminÉ: I refine both the title and the body of my questions while I am writing.  Hence I go back and forth between the title and the body.  I would rather have a static suggestion box that gets filled whenever I change the title than having a dynamic one that appears and disappears.  Because of delays in the network, my mouse clicks don't always end up where intended.  Well, henceforth I will resist the urge to rewrite the title to make it clearer or more specific. So, instead of writing the title last, I will write it once." CreationDate="2014-06-24T08:16:16.833" UserId="8785" />
  <row Id="4269" PostId="2991" Score="0" Text="A static suggestion box that gets filled would do." CreationDate="2014-06-24T08:16:47.310" UserId="8785" />
  <row Id="4270" PostId="2992" Score="0" Text="Your *suggested edit* put words in the op's mouth." CreationDate="2014-06-24T17:20:56.760" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="4272" PostId="2992" Score="0" Text="So what? My suggested edit wasn’t rejected outright; the person who reviewed it kept (i.e., validated) the content of my edit, making only stylistic changes, keeping the Edit Summary unchanged, but denied me “credit”” for it." CreationDate="2014-06-24T17:25:57.543" UserId="23408" />
  <row Id="4273" PostId="2992" Score="0" Text="this is a valid point, and is one i did not previously see. This has completely changed my own perspective on this question. Could you make any edit to this at all so that i might reverse my vote? I aplogize for not having seen it sooner." CreationDate="2014-06-24T17:30:01.310" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="4275" PostId="2968" Score="0" Text="It seems like this should be on Meta Stack Exchange, because this issue applies to all (or at least many of) the sites. Also, is there a migration/promotion mechanism to get guidance like this into the [help]?" CreationDate="2014-06-24T18:17:31.510" UserId="23408" />
  <row Id="4276" PostId="2995" Score="23" Text="Congratulations guys, and good luck!" CreationDate="2014-06-24T20:12:41.580" UserId="14084" />
  <row Id="4278" PostId="2995" Score="4" Text="Thanks everyone for your votes of confidence, I'll do my best to not disappoint! Congrats to Terdon too, he'll be an awesome mod!" CreationDate="2014-06-24T20:49:08.010" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="4279" PostId="2995" Score="6" Text="See https://github.com/OpenTechStrategies/openstv if like most people on this site you don't have access to a _windows_ or _mac_ machine." CreationDate="2014-06-24T20:52:43.567" UserId="22565" />
  <row Id="4280" PostId="2991" Score="0" Text="@Elena - with the existing suggestion box that would create a big space after title, something like [this](http://i.imgur.com/96m3z0Q.jpg) - it doesn't really 'jump up and down' unless you edit the title anyway. The main use of it is to find questions that already exist that could have an answer - I suppose it could be replaced with something where you have to search the site, and possibly outside the site as well (the lack of research some people do before asking questions is amazing), before asking the question." CreationDate="2014-06-24T21:50:19.320" UserId="52956" />
  <row Id="4281" PostId="2995" Score="3" Text="@StéphaneChazelas On this site, I expect everyone to `apt-get install openstv` or `pkg_add openstv` or similar. Reminder: the command is `wget -O unix-2.blt http://unix.stackexchange.com/election/download-result/2 &amp;&amp; openstv-run-election MeekSTV unix-2.blt`" CreationDate="2014-06-24T22:30:19.977" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="4282" PostId="2995" Score="0" Text="I actually couldn't find a package for my distro (Gentoo), but the github code includes a `runElection.py` that seems to match up with `openstv-run-election`" CreationDate="2014-06-24T23:35:40.290" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="4283" PostId="2995" Score="1" Text="Congratulations you guys. Thank you for shouldering the extra responsibilities for the community." CreationDate="2014-06-25T07:44:45.310" UserId="26909" />
  <row Id="4284" PostId="2991" Score="0" Text="@Wilf: I wouldn't mind a suggestion box as big as the one shown in the picture.  The suggestion box is a useful feature. I just feel that, by displacing the text area, its implementation is intrusive.  The problem lies in the delay of the network: if the delay is noticeable, then suggestions fall out of sync with edits.  My problem is that the suggestion box appears when I am already doing something else, after having edited the title." CreationDate="2014-06-25T18:46:00.283" UserId="8785" />
  <row Id="4286" PostId="2996" Score="2" Text="Note, this discussion was carried on a bit in chat: http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/16281048#16281048" CreationDate="2014-06-25T21:41:17.257" UserId="4358" />
  <row Id="4287" PostId="2997" Score="0" Text="And then work vigorously to re-tag any new questions with [tag:wireless] to [tag:wifi] when that's what they really mean?  Or blacklist [tag:wireless] as being inherently ambiguous?" CreationDate="2014-06-25T22:05:16.950" UserId="8556" />
  <row Id="4288" PostId="2974" Score="0" Text="The tags have already been merged (presumably by Michael). Marking as status-completed now." CreationDate="2014-06-25T22:52:19.503" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="4289" PostId="2999" Score="1" Text="I agree with that. The name `wireless` always bothered me — I think I remember seeing one or two questions about radio mixed into the questions about wifi. Since people tend to use the term “wireless” to mean wifi, I think we should keep the synonym. Alternatively, we can [remove `wireless`](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/a/2997) and see if it comes back." CreationDate="2014-06-26T00:19:21.020" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="4290" PostId="2997" Score="2" Text="@Flimzy First, see if [tag:wireless] comes back. If it does, decide whether to merge or blacklist — probably merge since it's pretty much never used to mean anything else." CreationDate="2014-06-26T00:20:14.833" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="4291" PostId="2999" Score="0" Text="This seems like the best solution to me. Tag alias [suggestion here](http://unix.stackexchange.com/tags/wifi/synonyms)" CreationDate="2014-06-26T07:28:57.733" UserId="1925" />
  <row Id="4292" PostId="2995" Score="0" Text="I would like to extend my congratulations to terdon and my sorta kinda Friend slm. Good LUCK guys!!!" CreationDate="2014-06-26T11:34:07.577" UserId="49640" />
  <row Id="4293" PostId="2968" Score="0" Text="@Scott [be my guess](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/ask?tags=feature-request+tag-wiki+help-center)" CreationDate="2014-06-26T14:21:15.457" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="4294" PostId="2995" Score="5" Text="Thank you all, we won't let you down." CreationDate="2014-06-26T19:38:57.547" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="4295" PostId="3001" Score="1" Text="Yes, ask a new and more detailed one. The one you linked to is not very clear and the OP hasn't been seen in months. Feel free to flag the old one as a dupe or just vote to close it when you post yours." CreationDate="2014-06-27T15:29:56.967" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="4296" PostId="3003" Score="1" Text="Do we want to mention the software recommendations site?" CreationDate="2014-06-27T16:59:43.697" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="4297" PostId="3003" Score="1" Text="@derobert Soft Recs is strongly against it until they get out of beta." CreationDate="2014-06-27T17:01:20.310" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="4299" PostId="3003" Score="0" Text="Are we looking to add this as a specific close reason? I though Gilles A in your previous Q was spot on. Requests asking for learning material and tutorials is off-topic." CreationDate="2014-06-27T17:37:20.133" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="4302" PostId="3003" Score="1" Text="Rather than adding a close reason, I'd be for adding this to our help docs." CreationDate="2014-06-27T17:52:38.950" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="4303" PostId="3007" Score="0" Text="That wording looks weird. Instead of not isn't &quot;note&quot;" CreationDate="2014-06-28T13:45:42.213" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="4304" PostId="3007" Score="0" Text="@Braiam Argh! You're absolutely right. That was a typo of course. Luckily, slm has already fixed it. Thanks." CreationDate="2014-06-28T13:48:58.320" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="4305" PostId="2964" Score="0" Text="As far as I can tell, the kernel-drivers tag can be safely merged into drivers. I'll go ahead and do so." CreationDate="2014-06-29T17:58:44.423" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="4306" PostId="3009" Score="0" Text="thanks for your answer, I thought it is a bug or something like that." CreationDate="2014-06-30T11:48:27.027" UserId="45764" />
  <row Id="4307" PostId="3010" Score="0" Text="That's very appreciated, thanks!" CreationDate="2014-07-03T10:17:45.460" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="4308" PostId="3011" Score="0" Text="earlier Briam also edited the post and we hoped that the attacker wouldn't target the post. However, even after editing the post, the vandalism occured. However, only time when this did not occur was when the post was completely locked." CreationDate="2014-07-05T13:26:55.577" UserId="47538" />
  <row Id="4309" PostId="3011" Score="0" Text="@Ramesh That edit didn't change anything. Mine did because it brought the post above the threshold." CreationDate="2014-07-05T13:36:27.547" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="4310" PostId="3011" Score="0" Text="ok. I failed to notice it. Anyways, thanks for adding more contents. I will keep a look for it in future if it occurs :)" CreationDate="2014-07-05T13:37:52.563" UserId="47538" />
  <row Id="4312" PostId="3011" Score="0" Text="Oi! I've been known to suggest edits which completely rewrite posts. They've been accepted too." CreationDate="2014-07-09T23:16:37.963" UserId="1548" />
  <row Id="4313" PostId="3013" Score="0" Text="Both proposals 1 and 2 sound good." CreationDate="2014-07-10T11:42:13.493" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="4314" PostId="3013" Score="0" Text="&quot;Assuming that what happens with reviewed questions where &quot;This is a link only&quot; has been selected multiple times is that they do they automatically get deleted.&quot; This sentence has problems." CreationDate="2014-07-10T11:57:47.897" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="4315" PostId="3013" Score="0" Text="OK, maybe not that big problems. An extra &quot;they&quot;?" CreationDate="2014-07-10T12:11:48.420" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="4316" PostId="3013" Score="0" Text="@FaheemMitha I rewrote it a bit, I like to review others' but not my own writing." CreationDate="2014-07-10T12:32:56.310" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="4317" PostId="3011" Score="0" Text="@TRiG I think the restriction is only for anonymous edits. Also most of your rewrites actually preserve a few bits and pieces here and there that allow the by word diff algorithm to identify them as derivatives even if it is a complete makeover." CreationDate="2014-07-12T09:21:16.217" UserId="1925" />
  <row Id="4318" PostId="3010" Score="0" Text="Just out of curiosity, where any of those rejects repeat offenders or were they all unique IPs?" CreationDate="2014-07-12T17:10:50.710" UserId="49422" />
  <row Id="4321" PostId="3017" Score="0" Text="Thanks; this is exactly what I'll do." CreationDate="2014-07-13T02:11:30.720" UserId="49422" />
  <row Id="4322" PostId="3010" Score="1" Text="@JasonC When you get to the scale these people were operating at, you're looking more at _networks_ instead of individual addresses. It was about 15 distinct networks, a mix of `/20`s and `/24`s." CreationDate="2014-07-13T04:25:57.753" UserId="3150" />
  <row Id="4323" PostId="3010" Score="0" Text="Huh, what a weird thing to do. You'd think they'd at least do something evil, like add 1 to every number or change every &quot;their&quot; to &quot;they're&quot;." CreationDate="2014-07-13T06:27:12.967" UserId="49422" />
  <row Id="4325" PostId="3021" Score="4" Text="Excellent work! Thanks for putting this together. I always like hard data vs. opinion(s), less to argue with 8-)." CreationDate="2014-07-15T22:43:30.933" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="4326" PostId="3021" Score="0" Text="Very nice. It is good we did not get an influx of new users as pronounced as SU early June, that could have given the impression someone was buying voters ;-). But it does seem the election-related chatting dragged people away from commenting on U&amp;L" CreationDate="2014-07-16T06:59:07.473" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="4328" PostId="2708" Score="0" Text="##How do I solve an APT dependency issue?&#xD;&#xA;&#xD;&#xA;http://unix.stackexchange.com/q/121180/4671" CreationDate="2014-07-16T16:30:29.610" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="4329" PostId="3022" Score="3" Text="I use Ubuntu, so I usually go to AskUbuntu for my questions. I only come to U&amp;L for very technical questions. If U&amp;L was just L (Linux), then I would participate here much much more often, but it seems the desire to be &quot;inclusive&quot; (including unix) has actually resulted in this site becoming more &quot;exclusive&quot;." CreationDate="2014-07-16T16:55:05.303" UserId="23373" />
  <row Id="4330" PostId="3022" Score="2" Text="@Sepero Yeah, it would be nice if there were separate sites for the Unix and the Linux. By combining the 2, it dilutes the knowledge base for many general things. A lot of unix users have no clue about systemd." CreationDate="2014-07-16T16:59:07.633" UserId="49277" />
  <row Id="4331" PostId="3028" Score="2" Text="I agree it's not bad nor against the rules.  When I've seen a similarly trivial post on SU or SO, I assumed their status was earned from being the top Google hit over a span of years, not from SU/SO users chiming in.  My surprise came from that this question was only a day old.  But I suppose you're right.  In this case it's probably a question lots of people have an answer to, so lots of our users check it out and leave an up-vote." CreationDate="2014-07-16T20:54:22.293" UserId="34796" />
  <row Id="4332" PostId="3027" Score="2" Text="The upvotes don't surprise me in the least. The views kind of do, but I guess it's just people tripping over themselves to post an answer" CreationDate="2014-07-16T21:09:11.980" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="4333" PostId="3031" Score="1" Text="Your answer and your profile would suggest that you work for SE. If so, could you please mention that explicitly in your answer? You don't have a diamond so it looks like you're just some random user commenting instead of the person best suited to answer." CreationDate="2014-07-17T10:34:24.053" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="4334" PostId="3033" Score="1" Text="Come to think of that that makes sense" CreationDate="2014-07-17T10:57:51.490" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="4335" PostId="3031" Score="0" Text="@terdon he has diamond on mSE. Not all SE employees have diamonds network-wide." CreationDate="2014-07-17T11:14:37.933" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="4336" PostId="3031" Score="0" Text="Sorry @terdon, I just expected my diamond to migrate with me. I'll have that fixed in a jiffy! :-)" CreationDate="2014-07-17T14:19:19.950" UserId="77794" />
  <row Id="4337" PostId="3027" Score="2" Text="Lmao if this question &quot;blows up&quot;, too." CreationDate="2014-07-17T14:48:37.000" UserId="69080" />
  <row Id="4338" PostId="3031" Score="0" Text="There we go. Also, I can't believe I said &quot;fixed in a jiffy.&quot;" CreationDate="2014-07-17T19:17:31.910" UserId="77794" />
  <row Id="4339" PostId="3022" Score="5" Text="@Rucent88 There are very few questions here that don't apply to Linux. It would be silly to have a Linux-only site (and even sillier to have a Unix-except-Linux site!) A lot of Linux users have no clue about systemd too, so what?" CreationDate="2014-07-17T22:28:55.400" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="4340" PostId="2673" Score="0" Text="@terdon What field in bioinformatics? :)" CreationDate="2014-07-18T07:57:47.393" UserId="74555" />
  <row Id="4341" PostId="2673" Score="1" Text="@Dovah my PhD was on gene prediction (specifically, selenoprotein gene prediction) and I'm now working on PPI networks. You?" CreationDate="2014-07-18T08:15:04.730" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="4342" PostId="2673" Score="0" Text="@terdon I'm still a bachelor student, I'm currently having a summer training in protein mapping." CreationDate="2014-07-18T09:13:59.223" UserId="74555" />
  <row Id="4343" PostId="3034" Score="2" Text="There is a difference being that wlan is commonly used to refer to the interface name, but whether a significant one.." CreationDate="2014-07-18T10:18:30.883" UserId="77820" />
  <row Id="4344" PostId="3027" Score="0" Text="If you see a question with a disproportionate number of *views* in a short time frame, it likely also has a disproportionate number of votes.  I think the #1 reason for this is someone listed the question somewhere like Reddit or [Hacker News](https://news.ycombinator.com/news) -- people then click through from there, including people who have an account here but who don't otherwise browse the site much, and that's where the votes come from." CreationDate="2014-07-18T14:05:56.247" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="4345" PostId="3034" Score="2" Text="@prusswan The fact that it might be taken to refer to the interface name (the tag has no description) is probably another good reason to get rid of it -- should we have tags like `wlp6so` or `em1` too?  `wifi` + `lan` should cover it...actually I notice `lan` only has one question, so a lot of those `wlan` ones probably do involve `wlan0`." CreationDate="2014-07-18T14:16:16.953" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="4346" PostId="3036" Score="1" Text="I think this is the most important reason. Sometimes I browse the hot network question because there are enough interesting ones. If only 1% of the member did this regularly, 1000 views is not weird." CreationDate="2014-07-18T19:25:10.513" UserId="14084" />
  <row Id="4347" PostId="1514" Score="2" Text="+1 for the last paragraph" CreationDate="2014-07-18T20:03:11.410" UserId="34796" />
  <row Id="4348" PostId="3022" Score="0" Text="systemd is related to startup services? I only saw that once when I tried to install Arch a long time ago" CreationDate="2014-07-19T03:07:38.140" UserId="77820" />
  <row Id="4349" PostId="3039" Score="0" Text="thank you. congratulations on being elected as `moderator`. all the best" CreationDate="2014-07-19T03:24:26.347" UserId="63606" />
  <row Id="4350" PostId="3039" Score="0" Text="Thank you very much. Same to you as well 8-)" CreationDate="2014-07-19T03:27:43.497" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="4351" PostId="3027" Score="1" Text="Also, the bot [tweeted it](https://twitter.com/StackUnix/status/489241255248166912) which according to the ad means we should close the question :-D" CreationDate="2014-07-19T06:58:45.453" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="4352" PostId="3038" Score="4" Text="http://unix.stackexchange.com/help/self-answer" CreationDate="2014-07-19T07:05:12.567" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="4353" PostId="3038" Score="0" Text="@MichaelMrozek, got it. Thanks a lot" CreationDate="2014-07-19T07:07:37.683" UserId="63606" />
  <row Id="4354" PostId="3045" Score="0" Text="Thanks for that information!! I will keep that in mind." CreationDate="2014-07-20T18:21:39.233" UserId="72902" />
  <row Id="4355" PostId="3027" Score="0" Text="@derobert What is this tweet thing?  I will have to do that with all my answers." CreationDate="2014-07-21T13:42:34.600" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="4357" PostId="3048" Score="6" Text="@goldilocks that is just so strange out of context :)" CreationDate="2014-07-21T15:11:55.967" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="4358" PostId="3050" Score="0" Text="thank you for clarifying this" CreationDate="2014-07-23T02:19:19.780" UserId="63606" />
  <row Id="4359" PostId="3053" Score="2" Text="I'm not convinced: *parallelism* is definitely used in the context of parallel computing. *Parallelization* refers specifically to the act of implementing an algorithm in a way that takes advantage of multiple processors running in parallel. *Parallelism* refers to the study and practice of parallel computations in general (it can also mean the presence of opportunities for parallelization). The broader sense of *parallelism* is the one that's meant here." CreationDate="2014-07-24T00:05:11.490" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="4360" PostId="3053" Score="0" Text="I agree. _parallelization_ would be perfect on StackOverflow for questions about making a program parallel, and that's what your definition from the wiktionary says. In our case, in my opinion, we should be able to use this tag even for the case of _unwanted_ parallelism, i.e. race conditions. _parallelization_ would definitely not work." CreationDate="2014-07-24T09:13:00.557" UserId="37538" />
  <row Id="4363" PostId="3022" Score="1" Text="Sepero and @Rucent88, I don't follow the logic that the presence of Unix experts *strongly* discourages you from participating here.  Do you find that your questions don't get answered here?  Do you find that you can't find questions to answer because there are too many Unix questions?  I would argue that StackOverflow has a much more &quot;diluted&quot; knowledge base than U&amp;L and it doesn't seem to affect participation." CreationDate="2014-07-26T14:24:53.380" UserId="34796" />
  <row Id="4369" PostId="3039" Score="4" Text="I would also mention that if you're doing an ask-and-answer (&quot;Answer your own question&quot; box), that it is courtesy to wait a day or two before accepting to see if anyone else comes up with something better." CreationDate="2014-07-27T06:34:07.887" UserId="17524" />
  <row Id="4370" PostId="137" Score="0" Text="@MichaelMrozek I think this feature should be available to 3k users, too. Recently I tried to flag a post for being off-topic, but could not specify, which site I think it should be migrated to, because I could only suggest the meta page and SO." CreationDate="2014-07-27T08:30:14.437" UserId="72471" />
  <row Id="4371" PostId="137" Score="0" Text="@polym I don't really control that. There are suggestions on the [main meta](http://meta.stackexchange.com/) for ways to improve it, but they're pretty reluctant to just let everyone migrate wherever they want. The best method for now is to just flag for mod attention and say which site it should be migrated to" CreationDate="2014-07-27T18:34:35.650" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="4372" PostId="3063" Score="5" Text="I just tried it on the main site, it works fine, and you seem to have linked to it here. What error did you get?" CreationDate="2014-07-27T18:51:36.377" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="4373" PostId="3064" Score="1" Text="Did you try its official mail list: http://www.cups.org/lists.php?LIST=cups" CreationDate="2014-07-27T16:19:26.990" UserId="38906" />
  <row Id="4375" PostId="3039" Score="1" Text="@Riking - if it's an ask-and-answer Q&amp;A the SE site forces you to wait 2 days to accept your own answer anyway." CreationDate="2014-07-28T01:58:46.300" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="4376" PostId="3039" Score="1" Text="@slm whoops... Guess that's where i got the &quot;advice&quot; from then" CreationDate="2014-07-28T04:24:52.883" UserId="17524" />
  <row Id="4377" PostId="3049" Score="1" Text="Same question was asked on SF: http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6440/answering-part-of-a-question" CreationDate="2014-07-28T09:39:28.823" UserId="68601" />
  <row Id="4378" PostId="3049" Score="0" Text="@kasperd, sorry didn't know that" CreationDate="2014-07-28T10:41:28.940" UserId="63606" />
  <row Id="4379" PostId="3064" Score="0" Text="My experience with CUPS is that there is no single entity beyond the forum that @Gnouc posted, and so you have to adjust your approach. I would recommend casting a wide net with your questions by listing them here on U&amp;L and possibly ServerFault. Without knowing the specifics I can't give you much more advice then that. You might have to break up your single problem into smaller issues and put these on the most appropriate SE site too. And I'd also post them on any other forum you can think of, such as Linux Mint etc." CreationDate="2014-07-28T14:21:45.623" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="4380" PostId="3065" Score="0" Text="I'm probably the one who's been using the tag [tag:ip] the most, and I confirm that this is what I mean by it." CreationDate="2014-07-28T22:57:51.117" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="4381" PostId="3065" Score="6" Text="Oh, and the `ip` utility from the iproute2 suite is covered by the [tag:iproute] tag." CreationDate="2014-07-28T23:07:17.370" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="4382" PostId="3066" Score="6" Text="+1 for Trogdor bagel. Oh and killing off [tag:server] sounds good too." CreationDate="2014-07-29T07:16:08.127" UserId="1925" />
  <row Id="4383" PostId="3048" Score="1" Text="@goldilocks - death threats are ok now?" CreationDate="2014-07-29T07:40:05.293" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="4384" PostId="3065" Score="0" Text="Ok, so no need for _ip-utility_. I didn't know about _iproute_ but its description is clear and unambiguous." CreationDate="2014-07-29T10:18:04.660" UserId="37538" />
  <row Id="4385" PostId="3066" Score="0" Text="If we don't want to talk about the physical device, we should also modify the description of http://unix.stackexchange.com/tags/webserver/info and the like." CreationDate="2014-07-29T10:40:46.760" UserId="37538" />
  <row Id="4386" PostId="3066" Score="1" Text="@lgeorget I've edited the description of [tag:webserver] and [tag:file-server]." CreationDate="2014-07-29T12:05:16.653" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="4387" PostId="3066" Score="0" Text="And I copied it to AU." CreationDate="2014-07-29T14:34:29.093" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="4388" PostId="3064" Score="0" Text="Thank you. Being new to stack exchange is daunting.This is the correct forum to ask a question with the right approach." CreationDate="2014-07-29T15:53:22.883" UserId="78847" />
  <row Id="4389" PostId="3069" Score="0" Text="Thank You.Good feedback.I'm getting the idea.This is a good site." CreationDate="2014-07-29T15:56:04.760" UserId="78847" />
  <row Id="4390" PostId="3027" Score="1" Text="Well, [here](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/147207/how-to-get-the-basename-of-complicated-files) is another. User has a filename with spaces, and he doesn’t know to quote it. In four hours, it’s gotten 200 view, and the answer (“use quotes”) has 14 upvotes." CreationDate="2014-07-29T17:26:07.353" UserId="23408" />
  <row Id="4391" PostId="3027" Score="0" Text="@Scott, also, someone favorited it?" CreationDate="2014-07-29T19:36:15.480" UserId="34796" />
  <row Id="4392" PostId="3071" Score="1" Text="I think this should go to the FAQ or any other location which is likely to be read by a first-time poster." CreationDate="2014-07-30T09:38:49.627" UserId="37538" />
  <row Id="4393" PostId="3071" Score="1" Text="@lgeorget that is certainly a good idea as well, but from reviews I got the impression there are quite a few first-timers who look at other posts as an example and never bother with reading the FAQ." CreationDate="2014-07-30T11:11:13.830" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="4394" PostId="3071" Score="1" Text="hmm, that's true. Then, let's go the good old way: editing questions and leaving a comment pointing to this answer. :-)" CreationDate="2014-07-30T11:13:28.203" UserId="37538" />
  <row Id="4395" PostId="3075" Score="0" Text="I see you deleted your answer, to prevent any up votes I guess." CreationDate="2014-07-30T14:35:30.393" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="4397" PostId="3065" Score="0" Text="The IP tag wiki currently explicitly says &quot;and IP addresses&quot;. I'll remove that. Should [tag:ip] be v4 only, or should it include v6?" CreationDate="2014-07-30T15:30:43.553" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="4398" PostId="3065" Score="0" Text="We have a separate [tag:ipv6], so I'm going to guess v4 only. Though never mind, we have [tag:ipv4] as well..." CreationDate="2014-07-30T15:34:04.100" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="4399" PostId="3065" Score="0" Text="@Gilles we have an ipv4 and ipv6 tags, what's the difference and how they have to be used?" CreationDate="2014-07-30T19:57:50.283" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="4400" PostId="3065" Score="1" Text="@Braiam [tag:ipv4] for questions that are specific to IPv4 and wouldn't apply to IPv6 without profound modifications. [tag:ipv6] dually. [tag:ip] for questions that would apply (possibly with minor modifications) to both versions. The obvious, in other words." CreationDate="2014-07-30T20:18:25.367" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="4403" PostId="3079" Score="0" Text="Thanks a lot slm!" CreationDate="2014-07-31T14:28:27.927" UserId="46723" />
  <row Id="4405" PostId="3081" Score="0" Text="Damn that is really bad :(" CreationDate="2014-07-31T17:44:49.753" UserId="72471" />
  <row Id="4406" PostId="3083" Score="0" Text="I think before posting here another question about unix.stackexchange, I'll have a look at meta.stackexchange.com" CreationDate="2014-07-31T18:07:43.127" UserId="72471" />
  <row Id="4407" PostId="3088" Score="0" Text="I don't get what you're asking. It sounds like you're asking someone to help with your other question. If so, that is not what meta is for." CreationDate="2014-08-01T15:21:38.687" UserId="4358" />
  <row Id="4408" PostId="3089" Score="0" Text="I'm really worried because it has had only about 2 views in about 14 hours" CreationDate="2014-08-01T15:23:19.100" UserId="78459" />
  <row Id="4409" PostId="3089" Score="0" Text="2 views would be quite low, this meta post has had more than that. I see 38 views on your original post" CreationDate="2014-08-01T15:25:49.933" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="4410" PostId="3089" Score="0" Text="I'm sorry I meant in 24 hours not 12.I tend to confuse numbers." CreationDate="2014-08-01T15:26:56.147" UserId="78459" />
  <row Id="4411" PostId="3088" Score="0" Text="Why is this site/community mostly answering questions already answered on internet but reluctant to answer problems not solved yet?" CreationDate="2014-08-01T15:50:05.923" UserId="78459" />
  <row Id="4412" PostId="3088" Score="1" Text="Where are you getting that idea from?" CreationDate="2014-08-01T17:33:11.810" UserId="4358" />
  <row Id="4413" PostId="3078" Score="3" Text="Note that while AU has more eyes, it also has more questions. Questions [on U&amp;L](http://data.stackexchange.com/unix/query/213319/average-views-per-question-by-month) get more views in their first few months than [on AU](http://data.stackexchange.com/askubuntu/query/213319/average-views-per-question-by-month)!" CreationDate="2014-08-01T20:49:47.610" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="4414" PostId="3079" Score="0" Text="The migration was rejected because it's about an Ubuntu version that's no longer supported." CreationDate="2014-08-01T20:50:16.137" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="4415" PostId="3066" Score="0" Text="I suggest the addition of creme cheese mixed with red and yellow food colorings. For both enhanced flavor and burnination abilities." CreationDate="2014-08-02T03:23:59.763" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="4416" PostId="3091" Score="1" Text="Securing from attackers is [tag:security], there isn't specific expertise in securing servers as opposed to securing other kinds of programs. (There is specific security in securing specific programs, e.g. [tag:security] [tag:apache].) Opening holes in firewalls is [tag:firewall] regardless of whether you're running the server and want to let clients through or you're running the client and want to let it talk to servers. Picking addresses and ports seems a very weak topic and is [tag:networking] [tag:ip] anyway. I just don't see expertise in “servers”." CreationDate="2014-08-02T08:42:59.557" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="4417" PostId="3091" Score="4" Text="*(cont.)* I don't really see expertise in daemons either, but they're a clear search topic. But servers? What's specific to servers? And do you really believe we can enforce that “server” means “server process” and not “server computer”?" CreationDate="2014-08-02T08:44:33.997" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="4418" PostId="3090" Score="0" Text="I added all the info in comments and then condensed the whole question" CreationDate="2014-08-02T08:56:04.210" UserId="78459" />
  <row Id="4419" PostId="3088" Score="0" Text="@Patrick lots of experience not only from unix but all stack sites" CreationDate="2014-08-02T15:09:31.613" UserId="78459" />
  <row Id="4421" PostId="3052" Score="0" Text="Instead of getting rid completely of `/parallel`, maybe it should be kept with an excerpt suggesting the usage of those 3 tags, so that users are not tempted by it." CreationDate="2014-08-02T17:56:24.073" UserId="1174" />
  <row Id="4422" PostId="3052" Score="0" Text="@CristianCiupitu If a tag isn't used on questions, it doesn't have an excerpt. But we can now display custom guidance on forbidden tags (it would [look like this](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/a/3041)), and we'll do that if we get rid of the tag." CreationDate="2014-08-02T18:00:42.000" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="4423" PostId="3052" Score="0" Text="That would be great." CreationDate="2014-08-02T18:01:39.033" UserId="1174" />
  <row Id="4424" PostId="3084" Score="0" Text="In short, yes. It would be abuse, please don't." CreationDate="2014-08-03T12:44:32.833" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="4425" PostId="3093" Score="0" Text="I added all info in comments to question and made it more condensed." CreationDate="2014-08-05T12:53:42.453" UserId="78459" />
  <row Id="4426" PostId="3091" Score="0" Text="@Gilles That may well be... When I looked at the tag before, I saw a few that I wasn't sure what to tag other than [tag:server]. I suggest start working on the retag, and let's see if we're left with anything that really appears to be just about socket servers (or even machines sitting in server rooms) in general. Certainly the ones that are (e.g.,) [tag:some-server] and [tag:server] (only because some-server is a server) can be [tag:some-server] only. If that leaves none left, then... tag burninated?" CreationDate="2014-08-06T11:39:59.747" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="4427" PostId="3098" Score="0" Text="This also makes plugins like _noscript_ also throw lots of fits: once the same script tries to come over http (instead of https) it is blocked, and as well if you connect via http, then it forgets that you had 'allowed' the https scripts--nasty!" CreationDate="2014-08-07T15:33:09.713" UserId="79216" />
  <row Id="4428" PostId="3098" Score="0" Text="Which links are you talking about? All the links I've seen **inside one site** link back to HTTPS. Cross-site links are to HTTP all over. Note that meta sites don't work over HTTPS (the rest does work for me now). Links in posts and comments are of course whatever the author posted." CreationDate="2014-08-07T22:20:38.983" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="4429" PostId="3098" Score="2" Text="@Gilles What I'd really like to see would be that if somebody logs in from &lt;https://stackexchange.com&gt;, (and for example the scripts running from _https://stackauth.com_), then they wouldn't get redirected from that point to non-ssl connections, or even have to login again for all the sites from the Stackexchange family.  Just now, to read your comment, I was redirected twice out of ssl; from the stackauch pop-up, and then again when I clicked &quot;login&quot; (even though I had just logged in)." CreationDate="2014-08-08T15:41:59.193" UserId="79216" />
  <row Id="4430" PostId="3101" Score="2" Text="And why am I writing a SE answer on my phone from the AMV room at Otakon? Something wrong there..." CreationDate="2014-08-10T00:26:45.727" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="4431" PostId="3101" Score="2" Text="I agree w/ deroberts, edit boldly. You've been on the site long enough to exercise good judgement about the kernel of a good question, so expand it as you see fit." CreationDate="2014-08-10T02:32:59.160" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="4432" PostId="3101" Score="0" Text="Thank you(both)! Indeed I wouldn't contemplate it if it were self-promotional. I've been intellectually rewarded anyway. There is no need for me to second guess myself that much on this - it's an _edit_. Use common sense, and pay attention to community feedback. p.s. re Otakon, ah, &quot;Protoculture&quot;!" CreationDate="2014-08-10T07:32:10.740" UserDisplayName="user44370" />
  <row Id="4433" PostId="3103" Score="1" Text="So, if I read you corretly, you are against them." CreationDate="2014-08-13T15:33:28.043" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="4434" PostId="3103" Score="0" Text="mentioning the specific version of software you're using is far more important most of the time, as most distro's are far more similar than different, reality is there are really only a few distinguishing things such as package manager, some filesystem layout, and init system. even a specific version of a distribution doesn't align you regarding patch updates." CreationDate="2014-08-13T15:42:49.350" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="4435" PostId="3103" Score="0" Text="on the other hand I wouldn't be surprised to find out that I've used them for things like the scenario I've mentioned above, where I know it's a &quot;distro specific&quot; thing, like the init system and managing services, and I'm not familiar with this distro. Reality is I still should have looked at the software specifically, and asked questions about figuring that out." CreationDate="2014-08-13T15:44:40.643" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="4436" PostId="3103" Score="1" Text="simply put, probably against them, not having them is not as user friendly, but they really don't add much value most of the time." CreationDate="2014-08-13T15:45:20.417" UserId="29" />
  <row Id="4437" PostId="3103" Score="0" Text="I've often made tags such as these for the very reason you mentioned, where a feature is in one ver. of a distro and not another, such as rhel6 vs. rhel7. So I would say we should have them, but let's not go crazy and create them just to have them, if a Q warrants them, then make the tags, but otherwise don't go making spurious tags." CreationDate="2014-08-13T18:29:42.103" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="4438" PostId="3102" Score="7" Text="Not for Arch... :-)" CreationDate="2014-08-13T19:44:11.957" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="4439" PostId="3102" Score="2" Text="*literally* and *ever* are strong words; I suspect you mean it's inconvenient for such experts to find these badly-tagged Questions?" CreationDate="2014-08-14T07:02:54.770" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="4441" PostId="3102" Score="0" Text="@Tshepang no, they are well used since that's exactly what happens." CreationDate="2014-08-14T11:37:06.637" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="4442" PostId="3104" Score="0" Text="I found this: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/77115/eeeek-community-user-got-sudden-rep-boost-how-come as well as this http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/19738/who-is-the-community-user" CreationDate="2014-08-15T08:46:59.620" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="4443" PostId="3105" Score="0" Text="thanks for providing this info. It is very useful." CreationDate="2014-08-15T11:51:52.707" UserId="47538" />
  <row Id="4445" PostId="3107" Score="0" Text="can someone explain why &quot;magic&quot;" CreationDate="2014-08-15T16:54:46.243" UserId="78459" />
  <row Id="4446" PostId="3107" Score="0" Text="where should i move the question?" CreationDate="2014-08-15T16:55:12.117" UserId="78459" />
  <row Id="4447" PostId="3110" Score="1" Text="I've noticed that I'm having to dismiss notifications on both the mobile app and the site..." CreationDate="2014-08-17T00:19:11.917" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="4448" PostId="3102" Score="1" Text="I meant people can always find those Questions by simple searching, and even keeping a bookmark on such a search. It's just not as convenient as just subscribing to a tag. Now, that's a different case to *these people will never find those Questions*." CreationDate="2014-08-19T08:37:18.543" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="4449" PostId="3114" Score="0" Text="That your name gets attached to a reason you did not pick when close-voting also bothers me a bit." CreationDate="2014-08-19T10:08:04.263" UserId="14084" />
  <row Id="4450" PostId="3102" Score="0" Text="@Tshepang well, I've never seen an expert searching for keywords instead of tags to answer questions." CreationDate="2014-08-19T15:40:52.727" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="4452" PostId="3102" Score="1" Text="That you haven't seen them do such a thing does not imply they *never* do. Strong word." CreationDate="2014-08-19T17:09:33.093" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="4453" PostId="3102" Score="0" Text="@Tshepang ok, lets put it this way, is inefficient for any expert to search based in keywords instead of tags, hence they don't (because experts are smart people, no?)." CreationDate="2014-08-19T21:03:59.037" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="4454" PostId="3102" Score="0" Text="You are ignoring the possibility that experts can bump onto stuff they missed via tag subscriptions using other ways, even if accidental." CreationDate="2014-08-19T21:13:30.367" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="4455" PostId="3102" Score="0" Text="@Tshepang that's why Stack Exchange makes such big efforts that whenever a question is asked The Correct Tags™ are suggested to the user, they are discoverable, etc. so such &quot;accidents&quot; don't happen. And seriously, that's the goal of my proposal, prevent accidental mis-tagging." CreationDate="2014-08-19T21:17:09.153" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="4456" PostId="3102" Score="1" Text="Yes, yours is a good proposal. Still doesn't mean experts won't find mis-tagged Questions. @Gilles repeatedly does (last I checked), and then tags them right." CreationDate="2014-08-19T21:23:38.640" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="4458" PostId="3121" Score="0" Text="**Distros tags are ok**, the problem is the fedora-20, fedora-19, fedora-18, fedora-16, rhel6 (or 5, don't remember), centos6/7, etc., your first part should go here http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/3037/distros-tags-needs-prunning-with-special-mention-of-the-ubuntu-tag?lq=1" CreationDate="2014-08-20T15:52:08.397" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="4459" PostId="3121" Score="0" Text="Yeah.  By some weird coincidence I was editing that in when you added the comment O_O!" CreationDate="2014-08-20T15:53:49.290" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="4460" PostId="3121" Score="0" Text="I don't understand what you're saying about http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/150803/fedora-20-system-freezes-when-the-fedora-logo-appears : that it should be tagged [tag:fedora], or that it should be tagged [tag:fedora-20]?" CreationDate="2014-08-20T19:23:57.443" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="4461" PostId="3123" Score="6" Text="If they have code with no explanation, I would argue they **should** appear in the Low Quality queue, no? While they may be good answers, a new or newish user may need the explanation to go with it." CreationDate="2014-08-21T10:09:25.987" UserId="3046" />
  <row Id="4462" PostId="3123" Score="0" Text="@RoryAlsop - this is why I just approve his A's when the show up in the VLQ, and have not pursued it further. It's only with jason asking that I'm asking the higher ups what their thoughts are on the subject. There's a gray area here and Stephane's A's are definitely in it." CreationDate="2014-08-21T10:11:50.153" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="4463" PostId="3123" Score="0" Text="Stephane's A's are often 110% correct, but are often a code drop. Take them for what they are. I've taken them and expanded them purely for my own benefit and others, but I have not done this of late since I know I can do it when/if I need to, and I have limited bandwidth." CreationDate="2014-08-21T10:14:29.410" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="4464" PostId="3123" Score="0" Text="Yep - that makes sense." CreationDate="2014-08-21T10:15:46.887" UserId="3046" />
  <row Id="4466" PostId="3121" Score="0" Text="@Gilles That it was originally tagged `fedora` and I think that is an example of a legitimate use.  I don't like the distro + version tags (`fedora20`); they would seem to defeat the purpose of tagging via excessive specificity." CreationDate="2014-08-21T16:11:13.453" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="4467" PostId="3112" Score="0" Text="I'm thankful it's no longer titled &quot;Pimp my...&quot;. Sexual slavery and human trade are pressing yet unrelated issues." CreationDate="2014-08-21T16:41:59.287" UserDisplayName="user44370" />
  <row Id="4468" PostId="3123" Score="1" Text="Thanks for looking into it. I was asking because, as the site gets busier, the signal to noise will decrease and one way to manage that would be to make some tweaks to the performance of the janitorial tasks, but if the wisdom and experience from the older and larger sites shows it to be unnecessary, so be it." CreationDate="2014-08-21T18:13:07.827" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="4469" PostId="3124" Score="1" Text="I agree, but the likelihood of anyone here with &gt;50K producing a crap answer is so low as to be zero, and yet someone has to review the post. Over time, that is just a wasted click, IMO." CreationDate="2014-08-21T18:14:49.797" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="4471" PostId="3115" Score="0" Text="Already did, click the My question link" CreationDate="2014-08-21T18:33:04.237" UserId="72902" />
  <row Id="4472" PostId="3115" Score="1" Text="My apologies, was hard to see the color change..." CreationDate="2014-08-21T18:34:49.873" UserId="64157" />
  <row Id="4473" PostId="3115" Score="0" Text="No problem at all" CreationDate="2014-08-21T18:46:54.500" UserId="72902" />
  <row Id="4474" PostId="3124" Score="0" Text="@jasonwryan if any of my post end in the LQRQ, please inform me. I will improve it. Also, remember that NAA's and VLQ flags are feed to the queue." CreationDate="2014-08-21T21:05:39.730" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="4475" PostId="3124" Score="0" Text="Sure, happy to. I doubt that high rep users' answers are getting flagged, though. :)" CreationDate="2014-08-21T21:16:16.747" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="4476" PostId="3120" Score="8" Text="And indeed, the serial downvotes now seem to have been reversed (2014-08-20 12:05:14Z)." CreationDate="2014-08-23T05:19:33.667" UserId="41352" />
  <row Id="4477" PostId="3071" Score="1" Text="Well, for a moment, I thought that all the wordings are identical. But in fact they weren't. The &quot;Who knows...&quot; and &quot;Does anyone...&quot; questions usually have research effort equal to zero. The only post content you will read in these &quot;questions&quot; will be &quot;I have tried in vain, and *it doesn't work*. Can you help?&quot;. But only in the &quot;How do I...&quot; questions, you will find out about what the asker actually tried to do and what the results (albeit negative) were like." CreationDate="2014-08-26T10:41:13.827" UserId="22858" />
  <row Id="4478" PostId="3102" Score="0" Text="@Tshepang I have been affected of that, just FYI." CreationDate="2014-08-26T21:54:00.703" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="4479" PostId="3119" Score="3" Text="btw, it's always good to wait 48 h hours, usually the anti-vote bot takes action in that timeframe" CreationDate="2014-08-26T21:58:50.213" UserId="22723" />
  <row Id="4480" PostId="3102" Score="0" Text="Use the normal version free tag and just place versions in your post (maybe even in header), like most sensible people try to do." CreationDate="2014-08-27T07:33:57.483" UserId="50652" />
  <row Id="4481" PostId="3108" Score="0" Text="as you say on the top of your post; NO :-)" CreationDate="2014-08-27T07:36:16.277" UserId="50652" />
  <row Id="4482" PostId="3124" Score="0" Text="+5 I could not agree more" CreationDate="2014-08-27T07:40:45.170" UserId="50652" />
  <row Id="4483" PostId="3128" Score="0" Text="[A estimated timeline of the votes](http://unix.stackexchange.com/posts/150831/timeline)" CreationDate="2014-08-30T02:43:37.607" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="4484" PostId="3128" Score="0" Text="@Braiam Interesting, but not providing enough detail on how the (down) votes interleave with edits up until 18:30 on the 18th. How did you get to the timeline from the original question? Is there a link on the Q page I missed?" CreationDate="2014-08-30T06:25:37.703" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="4485" PostId="3128" Score="1" Text="It's one of the [unlinked](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/76566/list-of-unlinked-pages-on-stack-exchange-sites) pages of SE." CreationDate="2014-08-30T13:00:18.710" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="4486" PostId="1019" Score="0" Text="For those who didn't know yet, there has been established http://programmers.stackexchange.com as well now. I feel it has been created for the fact that from some point, everything got crammed into SE main site sooner or later, so it started affecting the overview in a negative way." CreationDate="2014-08-31T19:37:11.090" UserId="22858" />
  <row Id="4488" PostId="3132" Score="0" Text="To my `-1`er, would you clarify your downvote for me? Is it because you disagree or for some other reason? If you disagree, would you let me know why?" CreationDate="2014-08-31T22:10:55.497" UserId="65525" />
  <row Id="4489" PostId="3132" Score="1" Text="No worries, should be balanced again, for at least __I__ have upvoted you. :) Being on break-even (aka 0) is better than on -1, isn't it." CreationDate="2014-08-31T23:09:16.767" UserId="22858" />
  <row Id="4490" PostId="2901" Score="0" Text="@syntaxerror, I made the edit. Please let me know if it looks fine." CreationDate="2014-09-01T03:33:09.030" UserId="47538" />
  <row Id="4491" PostId="2901" Score="0" Text="Looks fine now. Thanks for doing it." CreationDate="2014-09-01T09:26:11.023" UserId="22858" />
  <row Id="4492" PostId="3133" Score="17" Text="Guilty as charged, your honour..." CreationDate="2014-09-02T04:30:45.850" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="4493" PostId="3133" Score="4" Text="@jasonwryan - that wasn't a judgement on you - you didn't answer. As near as I can tell - and as I understand things should work - you did the right thing there. You down-voted, voted to close, and commented as to why. Which is why I said it was almost definitely you... Whether or not our votes agree shouldn't matter so much, I think, as the way we use them." CreationDate="2014-09-02T04:34:33.520" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="4494" PostId="3133" Score="3" Text="I took no offense; I was just happy to stand by my vote. :)" CreationDate="2014-09-02T04:37:32.920" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="4495" PostId="3133" Score="1" Text="@jasonwryan - in which case I am happy to have provided you that opportunity." CreationDate="2014-09-02T04:39:37.327" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="4496" PostId="3135" Score="1" Text="So that I get - *no need to upvote them if they already have an answer*. But I don't get why they got the answer if they weren't worth upvoting in the first place. In any case, this question is tagged discussion and that's all I'm looking for. All honestly stated opinions are welcome. Thanks for yours." CreationDate="2014-09-02T05:00:31.467" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="4497" PostId="3135" Score="31" Text="@mikeserv Because I know the answer? I upvote questions that are really well-written or I think will be useful to many people. I answer questions I know the answers to. They're totally separate" CreationDate="2014-09-02T05:05:05.550" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="4498" PostId="3135" Score="3" Text="understood. and that is also what @Ramesh indicated to me in chat. it just seems to me that the level of personal investiture is so much more for an answer than it is for an upvote and so I don't understand why the former is easier to come by than the latter. I guess I'm learning though. Again, though, thank you." CreationDate="2014-09-02T05:18:12.537" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="4499" PostId="3135" Score="7" Text="&quot;write this script for me, I can't figure it out on my own&quot;, this. Most of the time I upvote a question is a) I find it interesting + useful 2) Is something that I meant to ask but haven't asked." CreationDate="2014-09-02T14:45:15.263" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="4500" PostId="1056" Score="0" Text="Well, unless I'm blind, at present, when I get upvoted in a meta post (U&amp;L meta in this case), I can't see my actual rep for meta. It will always show the rep for the U&amp;L site instead in the headline. But neither will it *add* any rep to my U&amp;L non-meta account. So at least at the moment, it seems that upvotes on a per-site meta have no visible effect at all." CreationDate="2014-09-02T16:10:36.743" UserId="22858" />
  <row Id="4501" PostId="3133" Score="13" Text="@mikeserv, the reverse case is much worser. **Why ask a question when the accepted answer by the OP not worth the OP's upvote**" CreationDate="2014-09-02T20:38:32.453" UserId="47538" />
  <row Id="4502" PostId="3136" Score="0" Text="I see that side, but, I guess my point is, if the question does not *show research effort* and is neither *useful* nor *clear* - *should it have a broader audience*?" CreationDate="2014-09-03T10:16:41.207" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="4503" PostId="3136" Score="9" Text="Possibly yes. I think by giving a good answer you can turn it in that direction. My (limited) experience on SE so far is that any good answer eventually finds an audience." CreationDate="2014-09-03T10:20:46.987" UserId="64248" />
  <row Id="4504" PostId="3137" Score="0" Text="Very good answer. I will say, though, that, in my opinion, *How do I get to WalMart from here?* is an *excellent* question. That's useful stuff, man. My GPS is always trying to sell me something anyway. Oh - and go synthetic." CreationDate="2014-09-03T15:50:17.920" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="4505" PostId="3133" Score="5" Text="I would like it noted that I upvoted your question without giving an answer." CreationDate="2014-09-04T04:03:10.200" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="4506" PostId="3133" Score="0" Text="@Anthon -      so noted." CreationDate="2014-09-04T04:42:25.113" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="4507" PostId="2708" Score="8" Text="The best place to list canonical QAs is not as a mess on meta, but in the tag wiki for the relevant tag(s)." CreationDate="2014-09-04T13:35:25.030" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="4508" PostId="3140" Score="0" Text="Related: [Why can't I edit this post??](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/q/677/80216)" CreationDate="2014-09-04T23:36:27.180" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="4509" PostId="3140" Score="0" Text="Just a guess, if the first editor cancel his edition, then your modification will be allowed. However if you were lock out at first due to modifcation pending, you wouldn't have a chance to edit." CreationDate="2014-09-05T13:44:37.303" UserId="79818" />
  <row Id="4511" PostId="3133" Score="0" Text="@mirabilos - thanks for `pax`. and all of the other stuff." CreationDate="2014-09-05T16:06:14.393" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="4512" PostId="3143" Score="1" Text="Thanks, I read the syntax-highlighting for code in the [help](http://unix.stackexchange.com/editing-help#syntax-highlighting), but looked at the example ( `&lt;!-- language: c# --&gt;`) more than closely reading the text and follow the links. And I know this had worked for me (but that was on [so])" CreationDate="2014-09-06T07:17:45.437" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="4513" PostId="3132" Score="0" Text="I did get some down votes on SO for asking a (purely programatic) question about `zsh`, though. (I had a feeling it fit better on U&amp;L)." CreationDate="2014-09-06T18:30:45.247" UserId="78754" />
  <row Id="4514" PostId="3141" Score="0" Text="*Once you have enough points...you can commit changes, even if someone else got in before you* -&gt; I'm not sure what you mean.  I have all privileges (short of actually being a moderator) and I still get the big red sorry message if I try to edit something with a pending edit that hasn't been approved (or disapproved, which takes more than one reviewer)." CreationDate="2014-09-07T20:55:05.860" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="4515" PostId="3141" Score="0" Text="@goldilocks It might be that I have only 'raced' against  edits not needing reviews, but I have not seen that message for I don't know how long. When I get a message, it is that someone else got in and that my messages need to be more substantial. But that is of course no proof, I might just have been lucky, or faster with editing." CreationDate="2014-09-08T04:04:35.073" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="4516" PostId="3137" Score="3" Text="Please don't do that. A question deserves your upvote if it is 1) clear and well written and 2) shows some effort on the part of the asked. Whether it is interesting to you personally or not is completely irrelevant. Upvoting good questions (according to the above criteria) is essential for educating new users on what a good question is." CreationDate="2014-09-08T14:13:44.377" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="4517" PostId="3141" Score="0" Text="@goldilocks yes, that used to really bug me. Anthon's point holds for edits of posts that have no pending suggested edits. Unfortunately, and I consider this a bug, even if you have the rep to edit a post directly, you cannot do so if a lower rep user has submitted an edit that's pending approval." CreationDate="2014-09-08T14:18:21.557" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="4518" PostId="3136" Score="2" Text="I think this deserves more votes." CreationDate="2014-09-08T19:36:09.323" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="4519" PostId="3133" Score="7" Text="Erm, you’re welcome. Anyway, let me extend a bit, I was a bit terse in my last comment (deleted now): I upvote good answers regularily, but I don’t upvote every question I answer on, only those I feel stand out from the masses, e.g. obscure-but-important, really good, should become a textbook example, etc. to help pick them up, or if I feel they need more attention, e.g. difficult topic, and things like that." CreationDate="2014-09-09T14:34:56.880" UserId="43720" />
  <row Id="4520" PostId="3133" Score="0" Text="@mirabilos - thanks again." CreationDate="2014-09-09T14:50:38.960" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="4523" PostId="3137" Score="1" Text="Marking a question as a favourite enables updates on [the relevant profile page](https://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/users/50370/coteyr?tab=favorites). This seems more appropriate if you want to know the answer to a question." CreationDate="2014-09-11T08:23:08.543" UserId="3645" />
  <row Id="4524" PostId="2564" Score="1" Text="@Wilf It's probably one of those pipes that produces soap bubbles." CreationDate="2014-09-11T15:20:25.670" UserId="56993" />
  <row Id="4526" PostId="3152" Score="0" Text="Thank You Sir for your reply and screenshot." CreationDate="2014-09-11T20:40:59.267" UserId="64157" />
  <row Id="4527" PostId="3152" Score="0" Text="This (meta-)question raises the point: the **Closing &gt; Off-Topic** menu is ambiguous, and would be less so if it said, &quot;This question has been posted on multiple Stack Exchange sites.&quot;" CreationDate="2014-09-12T17:29:20.697" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="4528" PostId="3152" Score="0" Text="@G-Man - it's assuming that you've read the 2 URLs that it links to 8-), which specify this. If you do enough reviewing you'll come to understand that when they say &quot;sites&quot; they're referring to SE sites." CreationDate="2014-09-12T17:47:48.767" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="4529" PostId="3152" Score="1" Text="@slm Do you mean imply there are *other* sites than StackExchange on the internet? And on which SE sites could I ask a question on how to get to those supposedly existing sites? And if anything of interest is to be found there?" CreationDate="2014-09-14T05:13:10.457" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="4530" PostId="3152" Score="1" Text="SE is the internet 8-)" CreationDate="2014-09-14T05:14:24.467" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="4531" PostId="3156" Score="1" Text="huh.... what? you can use `infavorites:mine [tag]`?" CreationDate="2014-09-14T15:28:28.620" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="4532" PostId="3156" Score="0" Text="can you explain more?" CreationDate="2014-09-14T15:32:12.300" UserId="21911" />
  <row Id="4533" PostId="3156" Score="0" Text="I only see : &quot;vote activity newest views added&quot; , You meang When i use you your suggesstion i can see a new tab to them?" CreationDate="2014-09-14T15:53:17.340" UserId="21911" />
  <row Id="4535" PostId="3157" Score="0" Text="i update my question so , question was changed," CreationDate="2014-09-15T23:26:29.650" UserId="21911" />
  <row Id="4536" PostId="3156" Score="0" Text="i update my question so , question was changed," CreationDate="2014-09-15T23:26:49.870" UserId="21911" />
  <row Id="4537" PostId="3157" Score="0" Text="@MohsenPahlevanzadeh - updated A." CreationDate="2014-09-16T01:13:26.010" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="4538" PostId="3122" Score="0" Text="That would of course vastly reduce anyone else's chances to get the Steward badge on the [LQPRQ](http://unix.stackexchange.com/review/low-quality-posts/stats)" CreationDate="2014-09-16T06:54:17.980" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="4539" PostId="3122" Score="0" Text="@Anthon I'm not sure I follow your line of reasoning." CreationDate="2014-09-16T07:20:21.673" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="4540" PostId="3122" Score="0" Text="I was exaggerating a bit by using the word 'vastly', but I have reviewed Stéphane's answers on this queue on a regular basis. (I haven't counted them but I would think at least 25). Reducing the numbers of items that pop up on the LQPRQ would diminish peoples' chances for gaining review queue related badges." CreationDate="2014-09-16T08:07:02.510" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="4541" PostId="3122" Score="2" Text="@Anthon: oh, I see now. His answers are only ever in there for their brevity, though. There *are* plenty of genuinely low quality posts to go round..." CreationDate="2014-09-16T09:01:57.053" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="4542" PostId="3159" Score="0" Text="Why is this a feature request?" CreationDate="2014-09-17T04:32:35.560" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="4543" PostId="3159" Score="0" Text="@Braiam because it is a change to the existing functionality of the system. Why do you think it isn't." CreationDate="2014-09-17T04:38:40.427" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="4544" PostId="3161" Score="0" Text="I agree and I do that as well if I get an improvable Q in the queue (as described in my feature request, did not copy that part to the current question). But that doesn't solve reducing the number of improvable Qs getting into the queue (i.e. educating the initiators of closing a Q)." CreationDate="2014-09-17T05:12:27.560" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="4545" PostId="3162" Score="2" Text="Sorry but I don't agree with your premises. I see a vote to close primarily as a signal to the OP to improve the question, especially when selecting &quot;Unclear what your asking&quot;. Duplicate questions also often should stay available and not be deleted. In both those cases a Q should be properly readable. I retrospect I actually  seldom want to indicate a question should be removed completely." CreationDate="2014-09-17T05:46:07.607" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="4546" PostId="3162" Score="2" Text="Before we determine whether a question should be closed, we need to either understand it, or determine that it cannot be understood by its intended audience. Sometimes this requires editing to format code as code or translate into readable English. Edit-then-close isn't that uncommon: it's one of the possible outcomes of edit-then-decide-whether-to-close." CreationDate="2014-09-17T10:19:40.217" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="4547" PostId="3152" Score="2" Text="@Anthon yes there are. They're collectively called &quot;The Dark Web&quot; and can be found using an onion." CreationDate="2014-09-17T14:13:13.763" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="4548" PostId="3162" Score="2" Text="Why is a vote to close a prelude to deletion? Far from it! It can be, sure, but it often isn't and not only in the case of duplicates (though they're the most obvious). A wiser man than I [once said](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/58844/203101) that one should &quot;vote to delete _unless you can see that it has some value for the site_&quot;. Also, closing gives the OP the chance to edit and fix the question which was the whole point of changing the wording from &quot;closed&quot; to &quot;on hold&quot;. Treating it as a prelude to deletion goes against that idea." CreationDate="2014-09-17T14:24:49.900" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="4549" PostId="3163" Score="0" Text="This doesn't directly answer my question on *how* I can encourage a &quot;close vote initiator&quot;, but when appropriate I can sent them a link to this answer in a chat message." CreationDate="2014-09-17T14:41:11.290" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="4550" PostId="3152" Score="0" Text="@terdon It took me a while to understand your comment, especially the reference to the allium family member took a bit. I don't complete understand the need of use of The Dark Web, but then I grew up (as far as it got) in the Netherlands." CreationDate="2014-09-17T14:45:50.317" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="4551" PostId="3163" Score="0" Text="@Anthon I answered the “should we” part. As to how encourage, well, I don't think there's any particular need to actively encourage others on a question-to-question basis. If you feel the question needs editing, edit it." CreationDate="2014-09-17T15:20:12.383" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="4552" PostId="3163" Score="0" Text="You're right you did. I should read my own questions more carefully. Excuse is that I already had an opinion on the first part, but no ideas for the second part." CreationDate="2014-09-17T15:27:36.303" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="4553" PostId="3153" Score="0" Text="You can ask a new question putting link to old one; also edit the old one putting a link to new." CreationDate="2014-09-18T22:26:00.480" UserId="17594" />
  <row Id="4554" PostId="3165" Score="1" Text="This is by far the best answer; raw data does not lie." CreationDate="2014-09-24T12:35:41.613" UserId="39845" />
  <row Id="4555" PostId="3166" Score="3" Text="This is a yes/no question: yes consensus exists, or no consensus does not exists. Would you not rather be interested in **what** the consensus is if there is any, and what the arguments and  opinions are if there isn't?" CreationDate="2014-09-25T07:59:41.587" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="4556" PostId="3167" Score="0" Text="A) Will those tags be of historical interest? B) Can the tags be burninated after the fad passes but be preserved for the duration of the &quot;crisis&quot;? It seems that users looking for heartbleed and shellshock will find the corresponding corpus of know-how faster with a tag than without it." CreationDate="2014-09-25T09:50:49.127" UserId="24379" />
  <row Id="4557" PostId="3167" Score="2" Text="@DeerHunter I'm not a great tag user myself, neither applying them when editing, nor using them while searching. IMHO if you have such specific information like the name of a vulnerability it is as trivial to find information on [se] about it with or without the tag. But I am mostly concerned with tag namespace pollution, so burninating afterwards would be an alternative." CreationDate="2014-09-25T10:23:31.490" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="4558" PostId="3167" Score="1" Text="[tag:vulnerability] isn't really a specific area under [tag:security]. I don't understand the connection with tags about a version of a distribution: these have a fundamental defect that they get used a lot on questions that are not in fact about that version of that distribution. We don't get a huge influx of questions tagged [tag:heartbleed] that are about security vulnerabilities in general." CreationDate="2014-09-25T11:59:41.350" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="4559" PostId="3167" Score="1" Text="@gilles I made the parallel with versions of a distribution as I was under the impression that a generic &quot;Debian&quot; was preferred over the use of &quot;Etch&quot;, &quot;Wheezy&quot;, etc. and thus &quot;vulnerability&quot; over &quot;heartbleed&quot; &amp; &quot;shellshock&quot;. As always parallels only go so far and as I indicated, I am not a great tag-user." CreationDate="2014-09-25T14:48:08.963" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="4560" PostId="3171" Score="0" Text="I'll keep the post as is for now in the hope that that helps resolve the issue. I think that fixing (and allowing the issue to be fixed) is important. I had never thought about rollback to one version one though as an alternative." CreationDate="2014-09-28T18:12:15.483" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="4561" PostId="3171" Score="1" Text="@Anthon please do. It's certainly a bug and should be fixed. I just wanted to let you know of the workaround I found and also wanted to confirm the bug." CreationDate="2014-09-28T19:15:20.083" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="4562" PostId="3173" Score="0" Text="I was thinking more like: *broadcom-wireless, nvidia-gpu?* not *ati-hd-radeon-6000*, not at all." CreationDate="2014-10-01T02:10:38.790" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="4563" PostId="3173" Score="0" Text="I'm not sure how I feel about *broadcom-wireless*. Seems too excessive, esp. if there's already a *wifi* tag on it. I still think we use product tags where appropriate but generally discourage them." CreationDate="2014-10-01T02:12:48.163" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="4564" PostId="3173" Score="1" Text="On Linux, you're reasonably likely to run across Broadcom WiFi, Bluetooth, and Ethernet chipsets. Possibly their MPEG gear as well." CreationDate="2014-10-01T10:02:14.033" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="4565" PostId="3173" Score="1" Text="Oh, and also I'm pretty sure the steps to map keys on a Thinkpad won't help on my Asus laptop, because the special keys on Asus laptops have their very own kernel driver..." CreationDate="2014-10-01T10:03:37.347" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="4566" PostId="3170" Score="0" Text="Is there a way to reliably reproduce it?" CreationDate="2014-10-01T23:31:10.387" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="4567" PostId="3170" Score="0" Text="@Braiam Yes. I did try at least 3 time times on that day, also after navigating away. I normally don't make screenshots on first try. I could attempt it again but decided not to, and I will wait until someone who can look at the code and/or logs notices the bug report." CreationDate="2014-10-02T06:27:48.100" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="4568" PostId="3172" Score="0" Text="Occasionally, I have a difficult time linking Device Driver Module to Chipset to OEM manufacture. Why don't you go ask the friendly men on LKML what they think about your idea?" CreationDate="2014-10-03T12:44:23.507" UserId="86195" />
  <row Id="4569" PostId="3176" Score="0" Text="I clicked through 15+ users there and that observation seems indeed to be right. If this is not just an artefact of the underlying SQL, but on purpose, then an explanation might be that the person achieving a rep level quicker, is listed first." CreationDate="2014-10-06T20:05:51.303" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="4570" PostId="3178" Score="2" Text="You're quite right, I should have waited. That was my [initial reaction](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/18010851#18010851) actually and I only stepped in to close the one I closed because someone had voted to close mine as a duplicate of it instead. I still should have let someone else deal with it though." CreationDate="2014-10-06T20:24:02.400" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="4586" PostId="3181" Score="1" Text="It's a bit like Lex Luthor stepped in..." CreationDate="2014-10-06T22:29:51.597" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="4587" PostId="3181" Score="3" Text="@mikeserv &quot;Luthor is a wealthy, power-mad business magnate of high intelligence and incredible technological prowess.&quot; I'll own it..." CreationDate="2014-10-06T22:33:27.273" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="4588" PostId="3181" Score="1" Text="It was far from derogatory - and, considering the answer, I figured the author would be pragmatic enough to see the very intentional compliment there. But by the way, I never liked Superman anyway - my favorite Superman comics were the ones in which Batman handed it to him." CreationDate="2014-10-06T22:37:27.787" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="4589" PostId="3181" Score="0" Text="@mikeserv Well, I did (happily) embrace it..." CreationDate="2014-10-06T22:40:15.760" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="4593" PostId="802" Score="0" Text="Is the reputation scrollbar still an issue? I can't repro it on either Windows or Mac here. Almost 3 years later... maybe it got fixed?" CreationDate="2014-10-06T23:36:12.953" UserId="928" />
  <row Id="4595" PostId="802" Score="0" Text="@AnnaLear Seems fixed now; the style isn't even the same as that screenshot anymore" CreationDate="2014-10-06T23:39:18.293" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="4598" PostId="3181" Score="0" Text="That's a compliment, Superman is so blah...." CreationDate="2014-10-06T23:43:04.873" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="4600" PostId="3181" Score="8" Text="@slm Underpants on the outside, 'nuff said..." CreationDate="2014-10-06T23:48:44.807" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="4601" PostId="3183" Score="3" Text="We don't have a canonical question on renaming. We should. That old question isn't a canonical one, it just focuses on the asker's problem. I'm sure we have better ones (with fewer votes because they aren't as old)." CreationDate="2014-10-07T07:35:22.793" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="4602" PostId="3183" Score="0" Text="@Gilles, yeah. But just to mention an example I took up that case." CreationDate="2014-10-07T13:56:01.440" UserId="47538" />
  <row Id="4603" PostId="3186" Score="1" Text="I agree about not making them too long. On the other hand, the ideal canonical question is a community effort, improved by many users. However, my idea for this one was a kind of short cheat sheet. Not an all inclusive answer. I was targeting newbies who don't know what `&gt;` or `&amp;` do and wanted to give a short explanation of each. Questions asking about more in-depth aspects of the various operators would not be dupes of that. However, ones asking the difference between `&amp;`, `;` and `&amp;&amp;` would be." CreationDate="2014-10-08T17:00:28.710" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="4604" PostId="3186" Score="1" Text="@terdon Re &quot;Questions asking about more in-depth aspects [...] not be dupes of that.&quot;: So if I would find, or create individual questions on details of the operator types, and link them somehow from the central question, it would be not that different from what I described. Sounds good." CreationDate="2014-10-08T19:19:35.743" UserId="63775" />
  <row Id="4605" PostId="3186" Score="0" Text="That would be great. Linking to other answers on the site for the specifics would be absolutely perfect!" CreationDate="2014-10-08T20:05:04.853" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="4606" PostId="3191" Score="0" Text="Oh, btw, [because XKCD *is always relevant*](http://xkcd.com/927/)" CreationDate="2014-10-09T00:24:19.160" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="4607" PostId="3190" Score="0" Text="Flag them as naa. Also see http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/207697/how-can-we-suggest-to-make-an-answer-a-comment-with-the-user-not-having-enough-r" CreationDate="2014-10-09T00:27:14.000" UserId="87214" />
  <row Id="4608" PostId="3191" Score="0" Text="I know this is supposed to be a generic question, but the title looks like &quot;why was the X windowing system not replaced with the better alternative?&quot; :)." CreationDate="2014-10-09T00:46:16.913" UserId="62221" />
  <row Id="4609" PostId="3193" Score="0" Text="Using a custom flag such as 'comment as answer - low rep' also helps the mod notice, and not post a pre-formed comment like the OP describes." CreationDate="2014-10-09T00:49:39.707" UserId="87214" />
  <row Id="4610" PostId="3193" Score="0" Text="@J.Musser not all NAA's deserves to be converted to comments." CreationDate="2014-10-09T00:51:44.667" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="4611" PostId="3191" Score="0" Text="Darn... someone figured out, huh" CreationDate="2014-10-09T00:52:07.003" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="4612" PostId="3193" Score="0" Text="Of course not. The OP was asking specifically of comments posted as answers. For other NAA's, flag as such." CreationDate="2014-10-09T00:53:43.743" UserId="87214" />
  <row Id="4613" PostId="3193" Score="0" Text="@J.Musser comments as answers are part of the NAA group. As long as it doesn't answers the question, it isn't an answer." CreationDate="2014-10-09T00:55:04.930" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="4614" PostId="3193" Score="1" Text="I know. Just saying, if it has the potential to be converted to a comment, using a custom flag is helpful." CreationDate="2014-10-09T00:56:54.620" UserId="87214" />
  <row Id="4615" PostId="3193" Score="1" Text="As a mod I generally like the custom comment that says: &quot;convert to comment&quot;, though it's usually obvious when you look at them. So either is fine." CreationDate="2014-10-09T01:33:52.437" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="4616" PostId="3193" Score="0" Text="Ok. That's what I thought. I think it is not nice formulated to &quot;mark for deletion&quot; if it is a really helpful comment and they definitely **shouldn't be deleted**" CreationDate="2014-10-09T05:38:24.727" UserId="20661" />
  <row Id="4617" PostId="3196" Score="0" Text="SE doesn't consider a question to be answerable if it doesn't get answers but opinions." CreationDate="2014-10-09T10:56:44.480" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="4618" PostId="3196" Score="0" Text="@Braiam But the problem is the upfront judgement that a question will primarily get opinions or could get non-opinianated answer. As always there is a grey area. And Qs get often closed before any answer that might be factual and helpful has a chance to get posted." CreationDate="2014-10-09T11:59:35.487" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="4619" PostId="3189" Score="2" Text="I agree that this is acceptable, but I would suggest that you leave your initial answer alone as long as it does *answer* the original question." CreationDate="2014-10-09T17:38:34.057" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="4620" PostId="3091" Score="0" Text="Do you think we still need [tag:server]? I see it used only to mean “I'm using a server somewhere”, not to reflect the topic of the question. Can we burninate now?" CreationDate="2014-10-09T22:23:52.677" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="4621" PostId="3066" Score="0" Text="For now lets try the [unanswered list](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/server?sort=unanswered&amp;pageSize=50) which could need other kinds of actions (VtC, Vote up/down, answering, etc.)" CreationDate="2014-10-09T22:28:22.020" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="4622" PostId="3198" Score="1" Text="+1 Anthon's answer is very good, but it doesn't change the fact that the question itself is soliciting opinion. One way around it would be to substantially edit the question, which in this case would be justififed, IMO." CreationDate="2014-10-10T06:15:46.513" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="4623" PostId="3200" Score="0" Text="Are you sure this is the mobile layout? How did you select that?" CreationDate="2014-10-10T10:04:45.337" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="4624" PostId="3200" Score="0" Text="I think so. I didn't select that!" CreationDate="2014-10-10T10:15:04.373" UserId="52995" />
  <row Id="4625" PostId="3200" Score="0" Text="I read your question as that you **wanted** the mobile layout, instead of that think you got it, without wanting it." CreationDate="2014-10-10T10:17:00.893" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="4626" PostId="3200" Score="0" Text="I'm running that on Linux machine but it has mobile layout!! I don't want mobile layout on my Linux machine" CreationDate="2014-10-10T10:37:34.747" UserId="52995" />
  <row Id="4627" PostId="3201" Score="2" Text="U&amp;L question deleted." CreationDate="2014-10-10T12:09:04.220" UserId="79818" />
  <row Id="4628" PostId="3201" Score="0" Text="@Archemar thank you" CreationDate="2014-10-10T15:14:37.530" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="4629" PostId="2779" Score="1" Text="The answer should include `cut` as well." CreationDate="2014-10-12T15:53:09.270" UserId="34494" />
  <row Id="4630" PostId="3203" Score="2" Text="It seems to be mostly about CPU usage (e.g., as in `top`)." CreationDate="2014-10-13T20:11:17.340" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="4631" PostId="3156" Score="0" Text="Unfortunately there [is no RSS for search results](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5857/rss-feed-for-searches) so you can't subscribe using Firefox Live Bookmarks." CreationDate="2014-10-13T20:16:10.723" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="4632" PostId="3203" Score="0" Text="@derobert - in that case is it not a duplicate of performance?" CreationDate="2014-10-13T20:19:22.367" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="4633" PostId="3203" Score="1" Text="@slm Depends on how [tag:performance] is defined. E.g., if you want to know how much CPU time a program used for accounting purposes (e.g., bill for CPU usage) then that's probably not [tag:performance]. And [tag:performance] can probably include disk, network, etc. But yeah, the two tags probably overlap a lot. Probably a case where we'd need to start retagging and see if anything is left." CreationDate="2014-10-13T20:21:41.017" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="4634" PostId="3203" Score="0" Text="@derobert that sounds like a plan." CreationDate="2014-10-14T16:43:53.853" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="4635" PostId="3091" Score="0" Text="@Gilles no idea, but we're nowhere near close to getting rid of all the [tag:server]-tagged questions. Still see 253 here. Those need retagging..." CreationDate="2014-10-14T17:05:00.307" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="4636" PostId="3091" Score="0" Text="Most [tag:server] questions simply don't need the tag. Do you think there are still questions that need specific attention such as retagging or closing specifically because they're tagged [tag:server]? If not we can ask SE to delete the tag from the database." CreationDate="2014-10-14T17:28:50.490" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="4637" PostId="3203" Score="0" Text="[tag:cpu-performance] might be a more useful tag name, though I am not sure if even that is specific enough." CreationDate="2014-10-14T21:04:21.553" UserId="68601" />
  <row Id="4638" PostId="3040" Score="0" Text="I added a tag wiki for [text-formatting](http://unix.stackexchange.com/tags/text-formatting/info)." CreationDate="2014-10-15T18:03:29.500" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="4639" PostId="3210" Score="0" Text="[Link to the privilege](http://unix.stackexchange.com/help/privileges/established-user)" CreationDate="2014-10-16T02:48:43.190" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="4640" PostId="3210" Score="0" Text="@MichaelMrozek - thanks, I couldn't find that link." CreationDate="2014-10-16T02:49:22.757" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="4641" PostId="3212" Score="0" Text="So what there was one answer which were technically incorrect and another one which were correct? And admin almost rewrites first one to become same as correct?" CreationDate="2014-10-16T12:04:45.227" UserId="68714" />
  <row Id="4642" PostId="3213" Score="0" Text="I could just see that 'workflow'. If you have 2k, if you don't like someone for example (not saying this is the case!): go to random question there person provides right answer, change or make another one which is exactly same as answer of the person you don't like - and this could make someone happy." CreationDate="2014-10-16T12:09:59.027" UserId="68714" />
  <row Id="4643" PostId="3212" Score="0" Text="@gena2x - Again there was no admin involved, this was a user that had editing rights due to his high reputation, the same as any other user that would be at similar reputation levels. It's difficult to speak in hypothetical situations so I'd have to look at this on a case by case instance, but in this case the other answer was technically correct, and had no quotes around the Bash variable which can lead to problems, with specific strings. The addition of the 4th case that was added, only combined the other 3 into a single command." CreationDate="2014-10-16T12:10:57.437" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="4644" PostId="3212" Score="0" Text="You right about absence of the &quot;admin&quot; term - but &quot;user with reputation above &gt;2k&quot; is too long for header - that's why I just called him as &quot;admin&quot;. You missing point that answer were technically incorrect because it suggested to use pattern &quot;{VAR/VAL/}&quot; while correct one is &quot;{VAR//VAL/}&quot;." CreationDate="2014-10-16T12:14:40.577" UserId="68714" />
  <row Id="4645" PostId="3213" Score="2" Text="@gena2x I don't follow. If you post a new answer containing the same information as one already posted, that is likely to get downvoted or even deleted. If you change a right answer to a wrong one, that edit is almost certainly going to be rolled back. At the very least by the person who posted the answer but, if not, by whoever notices it first." CreationDate="2014-10-16T12:16:20.920" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="4646" PostId="3212" Score="0" Text="@gena2x - I understand your point, I'm saying that that particular type of edit is typical on SE sites. The use of the term admin implies that a moderator did these changes and none of us did, so I want that to be crystal clear to you and anyone else that may read this. The edit in question was performed by a fellow user of the site, anyone that has earned these privileges is allowed on a SE site to perform these edits." CreationDate="2014-10-16T12:16:46.563" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="4647" PostId="3213" Score="0" Text="I am talking about the case if you edit incorrect old answer to become same to new correct one." CreationDate="2014-10-16T12:18:11.747" UserId="68714" />
  <row Id="4648" PostId="3212" Score="1" Text="@gena2x - if this is very upsetting to you I would suggest leaving a comment to the other user on the A where the edit was made regarding this. It's entirely possible that this other user may not have even noticed your A when they performed this edit." CreationDate="2014-10-16T12:19:05.867" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="4649" PostId="3212" Score="0" Text="This is not very upsetting for me personally. I am just wondering if that is ok - and is there kind of rules which handle such situation." CreationDate="2014-10-16T12:20:45.470" UserId="68714" />
  <row Id="4650" PostId="3213" Score="0" Text="@gena2x Making it _identical_ would be silly. Editing it to suggest the same approach is different. The edit in question did not make the answer identical to yours, instead it simply included the same information from yours but also the added details that the original answer had but yours lacked. So, now we have a more complete answer and everybody benefits." CreationDate="2014-10-16T12:22:10.537" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="4651" PostId="3212" Score="0" Text="@gena2x the rules are basically: &quot;Any edit to another's post that makes the post better is a good thing&quot;." CreationDate="2014-10-16T12:22:38.657" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="4652" PostId="3213" Score="0" Text="I think he means in a destructive way. If this were to occur the moderators of the site are overseers, elected by the rest of the community, we would discuss the actions with this user, after reverting the destruction, and if the behavior continued, could suspend this user indefinitely if needed." CreationDate="2014-10-16T12:24:36.247" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="4653" PostId="3212" Score="0" Text="Ok, so if let's say I am as user with enough privileges will just replace all random incorrect answer text with cut&amp;paste from correct answer text - that's fine? Doesn't it make post better?" CreationDate="2014-10-16T12:25:07.007" UserId="68714" />
  <row Id="4654" PostId="3212" Score="0" Text="@gena2x - copy/pasting directly in that manner would require attributions to the original." CreationDate="2014-10-16T12:26:07.477" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="4655" PostId="3212" Score="0" Text="Well, I can change wording little bit. And keep little bit of incorrect information intact." CreationDate="2014-10-16T12:27:14.847" UserId="68714" />
  <row Id="4656" PostId="3212" Score="0" Text="But still, the incorrect answer will be better." CreationDate="2014-10-16T12:27:57.760" UserId="68714" />
  <row Id="4657" PostId="3212" Score="2" Text="@gena2x cut &amp; paste is one thing. Correcting a very simple and obvious mistake is another. Your answer is, of course, quite correct, but it is also the obvious answer to the question. This was not some kind of unique and brilliant insight that you had, you just had the necessary knowledge of the shell to know the simplest solution. The other user is also aware of this syntax (see their answer [here](http://unix.stackexchange.com/a/115440/22222) from February), they simply had misunderstood the question and the edit corrected that. So, nobody stole anything, it was just a simple edit." CreationDate="2014-10-16T12:28:44.907" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="4658" PostId="3212" Score="0" Text="@gena2x - the other A was better IMO as well since it demonstrated the method of building up to how the ultimate solution would work. The edit in Q simply added that element to an A that was superior to yours since it explained through code the progression of how one could attack the problem. But remember this is me as just a community member saying this as an IMO." CreationDate="2014-10-16T12:32:32.997" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="4659" PostId="3212" Score="0" Text="What about correcting 3 mistakes and adding comments about this corrections, increasing answer twice in size? Shouldn't person with rights first check if there is already correct answer? Are  there are one rules for &quot;brilliant&quot; answers and different for &quot;obvious&quot; and how to measure which one is &quot;brilliant&quot; or &quot;obvious&quot;?" CreationDate="2014-10-16T12:34:41.843" UserId="68714" />
  <row Id="4660" PostId="3212" Score="0" Text="Sure, here is just a discussion! I am not really blaming anyone - I just realized that this is quite interesting question =)" CreationDate="2014-10-16T12:36:58.220" UserId="68714" />
  <row Id="4661" PostId="3212" Score="0" Text="@gena2x - no unfortunately, but having written 3500+ A'ers myself and the other user having written 5000+ I'd like to consider that we're qualified. The other A was more useful as a general purpose A goes. Yours though technically correct was not as useful to someone else that would happen upon it down the road." CreationDate="2014-10-16T12:37:15.967" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="4662" PostId="3212" Score="1" Text="@gena2x - your A is what we'd call &quot;here's the codez&quot; while the other shows a method/process for breaking the problem down into pieces and solving it. A'ers that simply contain code are typically discouraged, since they're not useful content for the site. That don't teach anyone anything. SE sites are trying to teach people to fish, not simply feed them." CreationDate="2014-10-16T12:39:39.443" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="4663" PostId="3212" Score="0" Text="@slm - mine had more comments than another before admin edit =) Another one had just little bit unrelated code before correction =)" CreationDate="2014-10-16T12:41:09.520" UserId="68714" />
  <row Id="4664" PostId="3212" Score="0" Text="@gena2x - that's not what I'm talking about. The examples in the other A were better in terms of showing what happening." CreationDate="2014-10-16T12:49:52.053" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="4665" PostId="3212" Score="0" Text="@gena2x also note that @chaos had actually mentioned the `${foo//bar}` format [in a comment](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/162221/shortest-way-to-replace-characters-in-a-variable/162224#comment265648_162223). Gilles's edit simply incorporated that into the actual answer." CreationDate="2014-10-16T12:50:03.673" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="4666" PostId="3212" Score="0" Text="To be precise: My answer had 1 line of code and 3 comment lines with 3 different facts.&#xA;&#xA;Other answer had 8 lines of code and 2 comments, 2 lines of that code are really obvious and 4 lines are duplicates. Admin made 3 factual corrections - added 2 lines of code and changed 1 comment.&#xA;&#xA;Result still contains 2 comments and 10 lines of code, one of the lines is equal to mine.&#xA;&#xA;So you saying that my comment is &quot;here is the codez&quot;?" CreationDate="2014-10-16T12:55:09.670" UserId="68714" />
  <row Id="4667" PostId="3212" Score="0" Text="And answer still contains 3 mistakes after admin edit: 1. Bash manual doesn't call this substitution a 'variable substitution' - it is 'parameter substitution'. 2. author requested to remove symbols not in fact replace (see his example) 3. Answer echoes some symbols not store in vars like auther wanted. Should this be corrected further?" CreationDate="2014-10-16T12:58:45.040" UserId="68714" />
  <row Id="4668" PostId="3212" Score="0" Text="Well, that's getting little bit crazy. My original intent were not to discuss this particular situation, but that this particular situation to serve as example =) Let's abandon this, and consider this as bad example." CreationDate="2014-10-16T13:02:22.970" UserId="68714" />
  <row Id="4669" PostId="3212" Score="0" Text="@gena2x - I'm not going to entertain this conversation anymore. If you disagree w/ the edit, then I suggest taking it up w/ Gilles via a @ comment underneath the A. If you want to discuss the merits of your A vs. another, then that's what the votes are for, it's not really a moderator function. If others deem 1 A better than another they'll typically UV it, but I've written countless A'ers that have received little attention, while others have received accolades and I've never attempted to understand why. It's just how the universe works. 8-)" CreationDate="2014-10-16T13:02:39.573" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="4670" PostId="3212" Score="0" Text="Ah, yes that's just me - I am always trying to understand how universe works! =) Anyway, have a nice day." CreationDate="2014-10-16T13:05:21.490" UserId="68714" />
  <row Id="4671" PostId="3212" Score="0" Text="@gena2x - same to you!" CreationDate="2014-10-16T13:05:37.917" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="4672" PostId="3217" Score="0" Text="Thanks. Why 60 days? not 0 day or forever?" CreationDate="2014-10-20T22:35:00.617" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="4674" PostId="3217" Score="1" Text="@Tim see [what Shog said](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/185492/213575)" CreationDate="2014-10-20T22:39:38.660" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="4675" PostId="3206" Score="1" Text="This is so true! &#xA;There is no objective answer about which one is better, is just personal/enterprise choice. For example, some companies choose RHEL because have a good support, or CentOS because people they hired are experts in RHEL and they don't want the commercial support. Same happens with Ubuntu and Debian, normally enterprises choose ubuntu because it has the name &quot;Canonical&quot; in the stamp, while Debian is community maintained." CreationDate="2014-10-21T08:25:15.460" UserId="9910" />
  <row Id="4676" PostId="3051" Score="0" Text="Good point. It might be worth it to create a synonym but let's see how  the blacklisting goes first." CreationDate="2014-10-21T16:48:56.963" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="4677" PostId="3091" Score="0" Text="@Gilles I looked at a bunch of questions tagged [tag:server]. There are a few where it'd be useful... but there is so much noise it's hopeless. It'd take months to go through it, and eternal vigilance to prevent new mistagged questions. We can always come up with a less-generic tag... So I agree with you now: burninate." CreationDate="2014-10-22T16:05:40.920" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="4678" PostId="2532" Score="0" Text="Should probably consider [tag:installer] as well." CreationDate="2014-10-22T16:14:54.790" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="4679" PostId="2532" Score="0" Text="@derobert Why? What's wrong with that tag? It's definitely meaningful. Is it being misused?" CreationDate="2014-10-22T16:59:37.003" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="4680" PostId="2532" Score="0" Text="@Gilles it seems to be mostly used as a synonym of either [tag:system-installation] or [tag:software-installation]. Either that, or it needs to be tagged a specific installer instead (as, e.g., anaconda experience doesn't help with debian-installer, other than to the extent its actually system-installation experience) [note I'e been retagging them... so there are less synonym uses now]" CreationDate="2014-10-22T17:02:35.437" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="4681" PostId="2532" Score="0" Text="@derobert I know we have posts about designing or customizing installers, but they may be a small minority. This warrants a separate meta thread." CreationDate="2014-10-22T18:05:50.130" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="4682" PostId="2532" Score="0" Text="@Gilles Well, for all the of the 16 questions left, I think I'm just going to retag them if needed. Will see then if there is anything left to ask on meta. So few I guess it really doesn't need to be blacklisted anyway." CreationDate="2014-10-22T18:08:44.300" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="4683" PostId="3203" Score="0" Text="fwiw tags actually should be kind of generic. It doesn't make sense to have super specific tags that hardly anyone is going to be looking at or posting questions with." CreationDate="2014-10-23T14:54:47.573" UserId="34520" />
  <row Id="4684" PostId="3220" Score="3" Text="What do you imagine the odds are that somebody who would write a title like that will read meta posts first?" CreationDate="2014-10-24T02:20:53.877" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="4685" PostId="3220" Score="1" Text="@MichaelMrozek at least they can't say there *isn't* one ;)" CreationDate="2014-10-24T02:34:33.820" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="4686" PostId="3018" Score="1" Text="The workflow for editing questions has changed dramatically and the &quot;trivial&quot; option no longer exists." CreationDate="2014-10-24T05:59:36.673" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="4687" PostId="3223" Score="0" Text="I can see what you are saying. I guess I did neglect, that the question wasn't *nix specific enough. I think my question feels kind of like a layman would ask, without giving any useful detail, therefore inhibiting an appropriate answer. The one comment on my question answered it to my satisfaction, though. So how should I proceed? Delete the question, or add details for my specific case, for which I don't really want an answer? (I can now see, how the question was poorly thought out)" CreationDate="2014-10-24T18:15:35.280" UserId="88357" />
  <row Id="4688" PostId="3222" Score="0" Text="I read the other answer first, but I see your point, too. My question was too broad and I was expecting an answer too unspecific to be issued here. The simple way you and the comment answered me actually satisfies me completely. If anything I maybe would've asked for additional reading, since this really was just my curiosity and not something I wanted specific details about, how it works in *nix. But that was the problem with the question, that I didn't want specifics for my case, but rather a broad statement about computers. Should I delete the question?" CreationDate="2014-10-24T18:22:23.673" UserId="88357" />
  <row Id="4689" PostId="3222" Score="0" Text="@Minix - terdon's a much better writer than I, so it was good you read his first 8-). Your call on the delete, I'd leave it since it's now tied to this meta Q, and perhaps if you sit on the Q for a bit a more specific one might come to mind, and you could rephrase that one." CreationDate="2014-10-24T18:27:09.353" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="4690" PostId="3222" Score="0" Text="@Minix - if you look at how the sub-systems of a PC or any computer work, focus on the audio portion, you'll likely find out why the sound persists even after the system &quot;crashes&quot;. Much of that sub-system is heavily buffered, and so much of the audio can be buffered within that sub-component, which has responsibilities for overseeing the output to speakers etc." CreationDate="2014-10-24T18:29:37.053" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="4691" PostId="3222" Score="0" Text="@Minix - also if you look at how the PC works, you'll notice that many of the functions are actually not performed by the CPU but by these sub-systems, such as managing the read/write data to HDD's or RAM, or video. The audio is no different. The CPU is just the component giving out the orders, these other systems are actually the ones doing the heavy lifting grunt work. So when the CPU or a program it's running crashes, these other systems are still fine, and will continue running unabated." CreationDate="2014-10-24T18:31:36.113" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="4692" PostId="3223" Score="0" Text="@Minix as you wish. You can delete it or leave as you prefer. If you have something more specific to ask, I would ask it as a separate, new question instead of trying to reopen this one." CreationDate="2014-10-24T18:32:46.467" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="4693" PostId="3222" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the additional information. I will keep the question then." CreationDate="2014-10-24T22:56:22.037" UserId="88357" />
  <row Id="4694" PostId="3223" Score="0" Text="Ok. Will do. Thanks for the open discussion with both of you. It showed me what you meant and I agree with the decision." CreationDate="2014-10-24T22:59:51.297" UserId="88357" />
  <row Id="4695" PostId="3225" Score="0" Text="Good find! Is there a reason why there is no option to specify &quot;Not in English&quot; as a reason for flagging?" CreationDate="2014-10-25T00:24:19.257" UserId="65525" />
  <row Id="4696" PostId="3225" Score="3" Text="@HalosGhost - Probably b/c it doesn't come up that frequently enough to warrant it. Also you can use the other and provide a custom reason if needed." CreationDate="2014-10-25T00:25:14.920" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="4697" PostId="3225" Score="0" Text="Okay. I've seen several posts now not in-English (certainly not many though). And, so far, I've simply used the custom reason. Thank you for your help!" CreationDate="2014-10-25T00:26:15.550" UserId="65525" />
  <row Id="4698" PostId="3225" Score="0" Text="@HalosGhost - yup, keep doing that, when I seem them I delete them if I cannot salvage." CreationDate="2014-10-25T00:29:07.950" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="4699" PostId="3225" Score="0" Text="Unclear what you're asking?" CreationDate="2014-10-25T02:45:51.990" UserId="43525" />
  <row Id="4700" PostId="3225" Score="0" Text="@CanadianLuke, I feel like the question was well-resolved. What do you feel is unclear?" CreationDate="2014-10-25T05:03:35.740" UserId="65525" />
  <row Id="4701" PostId="3225" Score="1" Text="That's what I flag non-Englishquestions with" CreationDate="2014-10-25T05:08:14.137" UserId="43525" />
  <row Id="4702" PostId="2968" Score="2" Text="@Braiam: guest*" CreationDate="2014-10-25T20:16:38.660" UserId="66358" />
  <row Id="4703" PostId="3227" Score="0" Text="It's possibles not what you need to review." CreationDate="2014-10-26T16:32:53.570" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="4704" PostId="3203" Score="0" Text="@slm - What about GPU performance? :)" CreationDate="2014-10-27T05:40:15.650" UserId="89283" />
  <row Id="4705" PostId="3071" Score="0" Text="The example question in the [site Tour](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/tour) asks &quot;Is there a different way to proceed?&quot;. Does this not fall into a similar category too? Should we not just edit the new questions and remove / alter the question phrase?" CreationDate="2014-10-27T10:16:09.797" UserId="40490" />
  <row Id="4706" PostId="3071" Score="1" Text="@geedoubleya That is similar, although asking &quot;Can someone&quot; might actually be an investigation for hiring experts. I often just edit the question, but sometimes (when I haven't had enough coffee yet), I try to point out the problematic phrasing of the question and hope it might educate the OP. I am still waiting for &quot;Is there anyone who can tell me if there is a different way to ...&quot; ;-)" CreationDate="2014-10-27T10:25:34.817" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="4707" PostId="3071" Score="0" Text="Agreed, especially if they have &gt; 100 rep..." CreationDate="2014-10-27T10:28:16.790" UserId="40490" />
  <row Id="4708" PostId="3230" Score="0" Text="There's [this](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/254590/792066), [this](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/258721/792066), [this](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/274354/792066), well, the whole dupehammer tag in [MSO](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/dupehammer) and [MSE](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/dupehammer). BTW, is not reputation based, but score based." CreationDate="2014-10-27T14:49:39.443" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="4709" PostId="3225" Score="2" Text="On the few that I've seen, I run them through Google Translate.  If I can't fix it after that I'll usually close with a custom reason, as slm recommends." CreationDate="2014-10-27T14:53:45.547" UserId="64157" />
  <row Id="4710" PostId="3230" Score="0" Text="@Braiam, thanks. That'd be the same as [this](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/254602/1627296)+[this](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/275189/1627296). Given that it's been status-declined, that probably means I'll have to [bud](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budding) myself every time I get a gold badge." CreationDate="2014-10-27T15:11:39.567" UserId="89316" />
  <row Id="4711" PostId="3230" Score="2" Text="Actually, a more direct response would be this one [Please remind me when I am wielding the dupe hammer](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/231634)" CreationDate="2014-10-27T15:20:07.847" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="4712" PostId="3231" Score="2" Text="Thanks. I can see where you're coming from. I still find the UI misleading though. I've been annoyed in more than half the occurrences." CreationDate="2014-10-27T16:08:24.130" UserId="89316" />
  <row Id="4713" PostId="3226" Score="0" Text="I added a comment to the Q re, usenet probably being one place to start looking for clues about this.  Someone has a record of everything ever done on usenet somewhere don't they?  At some point linux must have become a topic of conversation there and around the same time people probably found bugs to report." CreationDate="2014-10-27T18:41:26.690" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="4714" PostId="3237" Score="1" Text="I just realise I am only at close to 20% of the requirement of this script being useful for myself. I had better spent my time on answering main site questions ;-)" CreationDate="2014-10-28T06:52:45.300" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="4715" PostId="3237" Score="0" Text="+2 ;-) Thanks for the greasemonkey stuff. I suppose one could also use the SE API to retrieve the list of gold tags, but since that doesn't change often it's probably better to skip doing another query and hardcode the tags as an optimisation." CreationDate="2014-10-28T08:17:48.413" UserId="89316" />
  <row Id="4716" PostId="3237" Score="0" Text="Where it may not work however is that your ability to close is based on the _initial_ tags while I suppose `post-tag` are the _current_ tags." CreationDate="2014-10-28T08:20:41.817" UserId="89316" />
  <row Id="4717" PostId="3237" Score="0" Text="@StéphaneChazelas I was not aware of the difference between initial and current tags, and I will have some difficulty testing this myself (re my first comment). The code scans the post for current tags using the 'post-tag' class, I don't think removed tags are (hidden) somewhere in the page, but I will have look." CreationDate="2014-10-28T08:42:48.293" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="4718" PostId="3237" Score="0" Text="@StéphaneChazelas To get all tags ever associated with a post I could retrieve the edit history of the page (assuming it has one) and run the scan for `post-tag` on that. That is an extra page retrieve (for edited post), and maybe a bit costly, but I think one can do that. Unfortunately it doesn't allow me to get rid of the waitForKeyElements. Let me know if you want me to look into that, it should not be too hard." CreationDate="2014-10-28T09:09:34.407" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="4719" PostId="3237" Score="0" Text="I believe SE has an API to retrieve random information in a programmatical way. I suppose you'd be able to use that to retrieve the initial tags and the list of gold tags (that latter one you may want to cache). That's probably a lot effort. As it is now, it's good enough for me, though any improvement would be welcome." CreationDate="2014-10-28T09:41:23.973" UserId="89316" />
  <row Id="4720" PostId="3226" Score="8" Text="I really liked this idea so I emailed Linus. His reply: *\*\*\*k off already!* That's a good sign, right?" CreationDate="2014-10-28T10:50:59.523" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="4721" PostId="3226" Score="5" Text="I actually reached out to him via G+ to see if he'd be willing. Haven't heard anything back as of yet. We discussed this the other day in the chatroom if you're curious what I wrote him. Starts here: http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/18325398#18325398" CreationDate="2014-10-28T11:41:12.780" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="4722" PostId="3235" Score="0" Text="Nice analysis, vis. most `text-processing` questions are probably not tagged by the OP.  However, having what Braiam suggests would still provide something to point subsequently (&quot;Please read this...&quot;).  The tagger could even do both ;)" CreationDate="2014-10-28T16:58:24.130" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="4723" PostId="3235" Score="0" Text="@goldilocks if we want something to point to, that'd be a good use of the tag wiki. Much nicer since we can edit it w/o asking the developers, and you can actually link to tag wikis." CreationDate="2014-10-28T16:58:51.067" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="4724" PostId="3236" Score="0" Text="Please have a care with the Kali tag. I share your pain but it shouldn't become a &quot;bad question tag&quot; (despite the earnest efforts on the part of many askers), try to use it only when the question is specific to Kali." CreationDate="2014-10-28T20:04:37.910" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="4725" PostId="3236" Score="0" Text="@terdon I'll do my best, but the force is strong with the l337..." CreationDate="2014-10-28T20:20:43.527" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="4726" PostId="2992" Score="0" Text="Related: [Is it typical for an edit to be hijacked and then attributed to someone else?](http://meta.superuser.com/q/7368/150988)" CreationDate="2014-10-29T00:04:07.043" UserId="23408" />
  <row Id="4728" PostId="2992" Score="1" Text="If it happens only twice a year (and that's once a year each on two different sites), that probably doesn't qualify as &quot;typical&quot;." CreationDate="2014-10-29T00:39:33.337" UserId="23408" />
  <row Id="4729" PostId="2992" Score="0" Text="Scott - that's another well-made point." CreationDate="2014-10-29T02:09:48.730" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="4730" PostId="3237" Score="0" Text="@StéphaneChazelas I presume Anthon is referring to your current answers, make sure they are tagged correctly, and don't use irrelevant ones, that would give you the gold badge in first place (although we should really start stripping several posts of the linux tag)." CreationDate="2014-10-29T03:26:43.720" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="4731" PostId="3237" Score="0" Text="@Braiam Your suggestion doesn't make sense, this discussion is not about him adding a tag, but about finding already removed tags. If I understand Stephane correctly, the problem lies with the fact that even if one of his gold badge tags was removed removed from the question he still has the closing power. That is why I have to look at the history. It is not his job to make sure they are tagged correctly before closing a question." CreationDate="2014-10-29T04:33:36.740" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="4732" PostId="3237" Score="0" Text="and I'm talking about his current or future answers on post, that allows him to hold the gold tag badge, to make sure that the tags are correctly applied, instead of generics ones (like he says in his post about linux and bash). This also helps the system, since it would [suggest the most fitting tag](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/212310/213575) instead of the generics. Editing tags of your existing posts helps in his current and future situation." CreationDate="2014-10-29T04:44:34.007" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="4733" PostId="3237" Score="0" Text="@Braiam Ok that makes more sense. The linearity of the comments here (and the required brevity) often make it difficult to follow threads. Stephane could even start deleting tags from old posts where he is threatening to get a gold badge ;-)" CreationDate="2014-10-29T04:48:43.360" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="4734" PostId="3237" Score="2" Text="Point one about editing the tag wikis seems like a bad idea to me." CreationDate="2014-10-29T19:16:31.210" UserId="1925" />
  <row Id="4735" PostId="3237" Score="0" Text="@caleb To me too, it would be an absurd approach and likely not very effective anyway." CreationDate="2014-10-29T19:32:00.750" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="4736" PostId="3239" Score="0" Text="I'm guessing is a side effect of this fix [I just received my Stack Overflow Weekly Newsletter, and the &quot;Top new questions this week&quot; are a bunch of low vote, low activity questions](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/275551)" CreationDate="2014-10-31T12:54:35.500" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="4737" PostId="3241" Score="0" Text="Have you tried click `/ask question` that might force the system to prompt for login credentials and/or might re-evaluate your cookie information." CreationDate="2014-11-03T10:03:55.203" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="4738" PostId="3241" Score="0" Text="Clear out all your history. Do everything from the beginning." CreationDate="2014-11-03T11:53:46.510" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="4739" PostId="3242" Score="0" Text="See also http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/158148/should-there-be-an-optional-community-guideline-quiz-in-the-faq-that-can-earn-a, http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/164346/should-there-be-a-test-for-new-users" CreationDate="2014-11-03T15:04:51.430" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="4740" PostId="3242" Score="0" Text="@MichaelMrozek thanks for the pointers, I always forget there is meta meta as well (that is how I see meta.stackexchange.com not sure if that is correct). Unfortunately the Analytical badge (mentioned in the only and accepted answer to the first post) is retired." CreationDate="2014-11-03T15:22:44.483" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="4741" PostId="3242" Score="0" Text="I [answered that second post about a quiz](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/242991/186664), partly repeating what I wrote here." CreationDate="2014-11-03T15:32:14.817" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="4742" PostId="3242" Score="0" Text="**Quiz question 1:**&#xA;What are the allowed topics on the site? &#xA;**a) unix b) Linux c) who cares I will post my question anyways by creating a new account!**" CreationDate="2014-11-03T22:02:35.703" UserId="47538" />
  <row Id="4743" PostId="3242" Score="0" Text="@Ramesh That is a possibility, but a new account's post will at least show up in the First Posts queue once." CreationDate="2014-11-04T04:42:41.760" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="4744" PostId="3227" Score="0" Text="The problem seems to have gone away (yesterday I noticed that those numbers are gone, even when clicking on &quot;review&quot; reveals there are items for me in the queue)." CreationDate="2014-11-05T12:43:57.920" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="4752" PostId="3227" Score="0" Text="@Anthon, I still see it shows me the numbers when there are no items for me to review." CreationDate="2014-11-05T14:36:38.610" UserId="47538" />
  <row Id="4753" PostId="3227" Score="0" Text="@Ramesh It's back for me as well. I'm 100% sure it wasn't there for a while, even after refreshing, and although there were even items for me to review. %-)" CreationDate="2014-11-05T14:49:00.593" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="4755" PostId="3245" Score="0" Text="Maybe it is worth mentioning that accepting an answer also gives you +2 reputation." CreationDate="2014-11-06T08:44:27.670" UserId="14084" />
  <row Id="4756" PostId="3245" Score="0" Text="@Bernhard It is, I tend to forget, and those two can be a large percentage of the reputation of a new user." CreationDate="2014-11-06T09:12:19.880" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="4757" PostId="3247" Score="2" Text="I like them all in 1 as Jeff and Gilles suggest." CreationDate="2014-11-07T02:42:22.297" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="4758" PostId="3247" Score="0" Text="Well you have answered your own question pretty well [here](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/166146/how-do-i-construct-a-list-with-numbers-like-this/166186#comment273537_166186)." CreationDate="2014-11-07T03:24:29.423" UserId="47538" />
  <row Id="4759" PostId="3247" Score="0" Text="@Ramesh well, yes, I know how _I_ feel about it :). I just thought it would be good to have a discussion about it and see what the community thinks." CreationDate="2014-11-07T03:26:54.030" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="4760" PostId="3247" Score="3" Text="Answers? Multiple-answers?? If your solution isn't an indecipherable one-liner that fits in a comment-field, it's not worth the keystrokes that you're spending on it. Explaining one-liners takes their magic away." CreationDate="2014-11-07T05:38:24.090" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="4761" PostId="3238" Score="1" Text="I'm sure it can be improved, nothing is perfect, but how? If you're unsure about closing a question as a duplicate, ask in chat. If worse comes to worse and you make a mistake, the question can be reopened; if you can close in one go then you can reopen in one go." CreationDate="2014-11-09T02:54:57.860" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="4762" PostId="3242" Score="0" Text="To post on this site, you must download the ATT ksh source package." CreationDate="2014-11-09T02:57:04.123" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="4763" PostId="3220" Score="0" Text="@MichaelMrozek, those meta questions could be used as canonical ones which you can reference in comments. I suspect it was Gilles' intent here. Maybe we could have a &quot;best practice&quot; tag for that." CreationDate="2014-11-09T09:30:21.530" UserId="22565" />
  <row Id="4764" PostId="3220" Score="0" Text="@StéphaneChazelas [meta-tag:faq] works for that." CreationDate="2014-11-10T09:26:11.963" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="4765" PostId="3250" Score="0" Text="note, that if you have to trade off keeping a short title to being meaningful or actually identifying the problem, please do so." CreationDate="2014-11-10T13:12:01.027" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="4766" PostId="2832" Score="0" Text="At first glance, this looks like something that will give you a virus if you click it. On the other hand I love how BSD is still said to be &quot;dying&quot; despite the first such proclamation being made ~15 years ago--that's a long death!" CreationDate="2014-11-11T11:10:01.110" UserId="56993" />
  <row Id="4768" PostId="3254" Score="0" Text="Meh, Community ♦ should be the one posting this D:" CreationDate="2014-11-18T23:54:11.540" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="4769" PostId="3254" Score="0" Text="@Braiam that's _Mr._ Community♦ to you. :P" CreationDate="2014-11-18T23:54:37.030" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="4770" PostId="3254" Score="2" Text="@terdon Sexist! Anyway it should be `community`, or `-1` with the `-n` option." CreationDate="2014-11-19T01:20:20.817" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="4771" PostId="3253" Score="0" Text="I can never remember 885, let alone 22565… I do try to link commonly-used reference questions in the relevant tag wiki." CreationDate="2014-11-19T01:33:29.213" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="4772" PostId="3253" Score="0" Text="@Gilles - I know! I have a cheat sheet for a couple of us that I know provide answers to Q's I've needed to dig up and couldn't find them easily via search. I just recently noticed you (or others) had been including key Q&amp;A in the tag wiki as well. That's a good place to store them, but will probably go unnoticed by newer users." CreationDate="2014-11-19T01:37:23.600" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="4773" PostId="3257" Score="3" Text="To the downvoter: really? How could we have a Yes/No poll with only one answer. Grinch." CreationDate="2014-11-19T03:14:30.203" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="4774" PostId="3257" Score="3" Text="Surely we need to downvote for this to be a yes/no poll!" CreationDate="2014-11-19T03:46:56.187" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="4775" PostId="3257" Score="3" Text="@terdon Given this was a $holiday intiative, I foolishly assumed goodwill and a spirit of benevolence would apply; downvoting just seems as churlish as it is unecessary: vote for what you support, not to mark the counter proposal as &quot;not useful&quot;." CreationDate="2014-11-19T05:04:14.170" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="4776" PostId="3257" Score="3" Text="Goodwill? Benevolence? But you're grinching! Seriously though, while I did not downvote, probably out of a spirit of goodwill and cheer and all that, it does seem reasonable to downvote. If only to offset the upvotes on the position you disagree with. As a general rule, these types of poll questions with directly contradicting answers need both upvotes and downvotes to make the community's position clear. After all, downvotes on meta can simply mean [&quot;I disagree&quot;](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/227015/203101), so I can understand the vote." CreationDate="2014-11-19T05:12:03.403" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="4777" PostId="3257" Score="1" Text="@terdon while an issue this trivial probably doesn't warrant extended discussion... Everyone only has one upvote (unless of course people both *want* and *don't want* hats); so the downvote is pointless--other than to magnify mean spiritedness, hence my Grinch comment." CreationDate="2014-11-19T07:07:27.827" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="4778" PostId="3257" Score="3" Text="They should implement this for regular ol' representational democracy.  I mostly don't vote (or else spoil my ballot, they have to count those), but I'd be in there every time if I could cast a negative vote for someone: &quot;-1 for you jerk!&quot;" CreationDate="2014-11-19T16:05:49.283" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="4779" PostId="3257" Score="0" Text="I just really don't like people without hats ^" CreationDate="2014-11-19T16:58:50.663" UserId="38220" />
  <row Id="4780" PostId="3257" Score="1" Text="@goldilocks Nice suggestion, if this was implemented for public office then no one would get elected XD (Which is probably not that bad)" CreationDate="2014-11-19T16:59:23.460" UserId="42920" />
  <row Id="4781" PostId="3257" Score="0" Text="@datUser Someone still has to be elected, lol, but seeing them celebrate the least negative count would be great (&quot;Only -7% support!&quot;). I think there have been a few cases in U.S. municipal elections where the spoiled ballot won, not sure what happened after that." CreationDate="2014-11-19T17:06:00.350" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="4782" PostId="3257" Score="0" Text="@goldilocks Ah the true zero sum game. OK sorry for the off- topicness." CreationDate="2014-11-19T17:26:13.037" UserId="42920" />
  <row Id="4783" PostId="3256" Score="0" Text="Is there a Mad Hatter hat?" CreationDate="2014-11-19T19:53:07.407" UserId="52956" />
  <row Id="4784" PostId="3256" Score="0" Text="@Wilf I sure hope so!" CreationDate="2014-11-19T21:03:36.133" UserId="28893" />
  <row Id="4785" PostId="3254" Score="1" Text="I'm resisting the urge to edit the question to say &quot;your mission, should you choose to accept it,&quot; and link to the Mission: Impossible Wikipedia page, since that's what my mind _immediately_ went to when you said &quot;if we choose to accept&quot;." CreationDate="2014-11-20T06:31:30.673" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="4786" PostId="3254" Score="0" Text="I thought a hat (like hair) was there to cover a non-perfect head. I guess not everyone can be so lucky to look like captain P." CreationDate="2014-11-20T07:46:47.167" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="4787" PostId="3254" Score="1" Text="@Anthon you remind me of a t-shirt my Dad used to have which carried the slogan &quot;God made a few perfect heads. On the rest of them, he put hair&quot;. I may not agree with the theological implications there but I still find it funny." CreationDate="2014-11-20T14:01:11.593" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="4788" PostId="3254" Score="1" Text="@terdon That was exactly the quote I had in mind that was the basis for my comment, and I reworded it for exactly the same implications." CreationDate="2014-11-20T14:22:45.047" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="4789" PostId="3254" Score="1" Text="@Anthon Ah, all you people with wide [partings](http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/parting?searchDictCode=all) think alike :)" CreationDate="2014-11-20T14:28:04.443" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="4790" PostId="3256" Score="1" Text="HATS off to you sir :D" CreationDate="2014-11-21T06:08:21.297" UserId="26909" />
  <row Id="4791" PostId="3258" Score="1" Text="I agree with this, but I think there is no way to stop people from answering, they want that karma!" CreationDate="2014-11-21T23:10:47.837" UserId="79979" />
  <row Id="4792" PostId="3258" Score="0" Text="@DisplayName &quot;they&quot; – very funny" CreationDate="2014-11-21T23:26:45.280" UserId="32191" />
  <row Id="4793" PostId="3258" Score="0" Text="@HaukeLaging Lol." CreationDate="2014-11-21T23:27:09.857" UserId="79979" />
  <row Id="4795" PostId="3258" Score="1" Text="I think the _cc by-sa_ license is not leveraged enough in explaining to new users that they're contributing to something akin to an encyclopedic work as opposed to a forum. In a forum you have this ping pong of unrestrained feedback which people are used to. I equate twitter to that too. It's about fostering care for the assets imho." CreationDate="2014-11-22T02:29:11.607" UserDisplayName="user44370" />
  <row Id="4796" PostId="3258" Score="0" Text="I am just saying as regular users can't we wait for the OP to post what he wants clearly before giving the answers to him. I just want the OP to get a feel of how the community works. For instance, the answer by @slm is the one that clearly addresses the OP's question as slm's answer is based on what the OP had tried so far." CreationDate="2014-11-22T02:34:44.567" UserId="47538" />
  <row Id="4797" PostId="3259" Score="0" Text="+1 In this particular case, further clarification from the poster was unnecessary to post an acceptable answer (as you did)..." CreationDate="2014-11-22T03:23:15.463" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="4798" PostId="3260" Score="2" Text="Completely out of context but your language is too good and I had to actually find the meaning of some words :) But the points you made are absolutely valid and I agree." CreationDate="2014-11-22T03:57:54.900" UserId="47538" />
  <row Id="4799" PostId="3260" Score="1" Text="@Ramesh Keeps me awake while I am typing; otherwise I manage to bore myself with my opinions... :)" CreationDate="2014-11-22T04:07:29.860" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="4800" PostId="3256" Score="1" Text="@Wilf There beret be one." CreationDate="2014-11-22T19:44:31.183" UserId="16404" />
  <row Id="4801" PostId="3254" Score="0" Text="Have the comment threads of [tag:Fedora] questions in previous hatsy years stayed in control?" CreationDate="2014-11-22T19:46:20.757" UserId="16404" />
  <row Id="4802" PostId="3254" Score="0" Text="@Anko oddly enough, yes. At least to my knowledge." CreationDate="2014-11-22T19:49:01.243" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="4803" PostId="3261" Score="0" Text="You need to kill a `cat`. Preferably by [bludgeoning it with a  giant _s_](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/9694/203101)." CreationDate="2014-11-22T20:10:56.743" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="4804" PostId="3261" Score="0" Text="@terdon Seems the cat lives (again)..." CreationDate="2014-11-22T20:23:01.110" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="4805" PostId="3261" Score="0" Text="Seems like there has to be ~14 Q's that need the pacman tag 8-)" CreationDate="2014-11-22T20:29:24.660" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="4806" PostId="3261" Score="1" Text="@slm I was just going to start spamming [tag:pacman] questions..." CreationDate="2014-11-22T20:34:33.760" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="4807" PostId="3263" Score="0" Text="I think some SE site uses [tag:faq] for that, and I think it's a better tag. I don't like the ambiguity brought forth by [tag:canonical]; seeing the title, I thought this Question was about the company." CreationDate="2014-11-26T16:04:41.240" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="4810" PostId="3263" Score="0" Text="@Tshepang that would be more confusing as [tag:faq] suggests a *question*, whereas [tag:canonical] denotes an *answer*..." CreationDate="2014-11-26T19:04:04.913" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="4811" PostId="1219" Score="0" Text="This still looks poor to me. Is it because I don't have the Liberation font?" CreationDate="2014-11-26T19:21:47.747" UserId="61098" />
  <row Id="4812" PostId="1219" Score="0" Text="I don't know, @Barmar - *do* you have the Liberation font?" CreationDate="2014-11-26T21:34:01.823" UserId="5973" />
  <row Id="4813" PostId="1219" Score="0" Text="Probably not. Unless it's a standard font on OS X Snow Leopard, I probably don't." CreationDate="2014-11-26T21:35:07.343" UserId="61098" />
  <row Id="4814" PostId="1219" Score="0" Text="I don't think I've ever installed any third-party fonts. And I don't see any results in the browser if I remove Liberation from the fonts of that style, so it must be using Georgia." CreationDate="2014-11-26T21:36:19.693" UserId="61098" />
  <row Id="4815" PostId="3265" Score="2" Text="I'm open to alternatives, but we should be tagging the canonical *question*, not the myriad of clones that will inevitably follow along. What about [tag:osot]: *o*ne *s*ource *o*f *t*ruth? :)" CreationDate="2014-11-26T23:06:55.757" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="4816" PostId="2981" Score="0" Text="not linking to xkcd 378, maybe, but still mentioning it none the less." CreationDate="2014-12-01T11:49:36.137" UserId="61079" />
  <row Id="4817" PostId="3267" Score="0" Text="This indeed came up before, I believe @Anthon suggested it, though I'm having problems finding that meta now." CreationDate="2014-12-02T13:15:18.757" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="4818" PostId="3267" Score="3" Text="According to http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/43019/how-do-comment-replies-work, an editor will be notified with `@name`, even if the username doesn't come up in tab completion." CreationDate="2014-12-02T13:48:03.203" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="4819" PostId="3268" Score="2" Text="The first of these makes sense to me: [tag:canonical-answer]." CreationDate="2014-12-02T16:04:56.550" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="4820" PostId="3263" Score="1" Text="The other downside is its odd to be tagging a *question* as an *answer*... This is clearly an abuse of tags, but possibly the least-bad solution. Though there is also the [list of frequent questions](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions?sort=frequent) which is automatically maintained; how much does that overlap?" CreationDate="2014-12-02T19:58:56.837" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="4821" PostId="3263" Score="0" Text="@derobert There is some overlap, yes. I see that as a benefit, not a drawback: the ability to easily find the cannonical {question,answer}, for me, outweighs any qualms about tag abuse." CreationDate="2014-12-02T20:21:31.270" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="4822" PostId="3263" Score="0" Text="@jasonwryan I'm not too worried about that tag abuse... It's probably the best solution we have. Certainly better than a meta question full of links. That is, as long as its not just a copy of the frequent questions page, which it sounds like it won't be." CreationDate="2014-12-02T20:25:58.033" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="4823" PostId="3254" Score="0" Text="[status-completed] can now be added to this, since there will indeed be hats." CreationDate="2014-12-03T01:08:51.127" UserId="45600" />
  <row Id="4824" PostId="3269" Score="0" Text="What is an assured meaning? What workout are you referring to. Members of what organisation (or do you mean U&amp;L users (&lt;-that is the terminology we use here see the menu bar directly below the sites title ))?" CreationDate="2014-12-03T12:52:57.677" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="4825" PostId="3269" Score="1" Text="I have no idea what you're even talking about." CreationDate="2014-12-03T12:54:25.693" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="4826" PostId="3269" Score="0" Text="@Anthon yes i am talking about U&amp;L members." CreationDate="2014-12-03T12:58:24.727" UserId="93151" />
  <row Id="4827" PostId="3269" Score="0" Text="Are you talking about this post? http://unix.stackexchange.com/q/171214/33055 What is the problem with that?" CreationDate="2014-12-03T13:02:12.100" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="4828" PostId="3269" Score="0" Text="What is this workout that you're talking about?" CreationDate="2014-12-03T13:02:13.413" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="4829" PostId="3269" Score="0" Text="@slm I did it here. [here](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/171214/append-time-to-log-filenames)" CreationDate="2014-12-03T13:04:12.870" UserId="93151" />
  <row Id="4830" PostId="3269" Score="0" Text="The term workout is being used incorrectly. It doesn't mean what you're describing." CreationDate="2014-12-03T13:08:15.000" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="4831" PostId="3269" Score="0" Text="I agree. thanks for clarifications! @slm" CreationDate="2014-12-03T13:09:43.890" UserId="93151" />
  <row Id="4832" PostId="3271" Score="0" Text="Thanks to [Wandering Logic](https://meta.cs.stackexchange.com/questions/799/advertising-computer-science-stack-exchange-on-other-se-sites/962#962)" CreationDate="2014-12-03T14:31:01.300" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="4833" PostId="3272" Score="1" Text="OK: given that there is already progress in this approach, this does make more sense." CreationDate="2014-12-03T16:15:39.017" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="4836" PostId="3276" Score="0" Text="Voting to delete questions require &gt; 20k rep, is it?" CreationDate="2014-12-04T18:05:21.177" UserId="47538" />
  <row Id="4837" PostId="3277" Score="0" Text="I guess it said &quot;delete (1)&quot; before I voted, and afterwards it said something like &quot;13 more votes required&quot;. I didn't try mouseover, though. It seems strange to me that deleting questions is &quot;easier&quot; than deleting answers as deleting the question deletes the answers, too." CreationDate="2014-12-04T21:48:42.270" UserId="32191" />
  <row Id="4838" PostId="3277" Score="2" Text="@HaukeLaging Questions have to be closed before the vote to delete can start. So (without ♦mod intervention) it takes a minimum of 5 people, 3 of which have to act twice, to delete a question, vs 3 people to delete an answer." CreationDate="2014-12-04T22:27:05.633" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="4839" PostId="3279" Score="0" Text="pretty awesome post - cool that i just now found a useful link in a comment on my own question because you posted this. thanks - and thanks @slm 6 months later. one note though - if im in the mood, ill do your homework because... hey, free homework." CreationDate="2014-12-04T22:35:57.770" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="4840" PostId="3279" Score="1" Text="@mikeserv Great, glad you found it.  I just hope others find it too, so that the word spreads.  Spreading the word is the main reason I wrote it, and the other was to make it easier on the community." CreationDate="2014-12-04T22:39:10.937" UserId="64157" />
  <row Id="4841" PostId="3279" Score="0" Text="fizz fizz fizz buzz fizz buzz fizzbuzz... by the way : `mod() { return &quot;$(($1%$2))&quot;; }; mod n 15 &amp;&amp; echo FizzBuzz`" CreationDate="2014-12-04T22:44:39.667" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="4842" PostId="3279" Score="2" Text="@mikeserv Look Here - [FizzBuzz.at.RosettaCode](http://rosettacode.org/wiki/FizzBuzz)" CreationDate="2014-12-04T22:47:44.067" UserId="64157" />
  <row Id="4843" PostId="3280" Score="1" Text="Can't those statistics be read another way? - Because we have a migration path to SO, 55 questions were moved there. But as there is no simple path (OK, a flag is not that difficult) to the others, only a few are migrated and others are simply closed, consequently not showing up in the stats." CreationDate="2014-12-05T06:27:17.023" UserId="29406" />
  <row Id="4844" PostId="3275" Score="0" Text="A migration path to SU and AU would help considerably. Fair enough about SF's &quot;unique policy&quot; (very diplomatic).  Is there a down side to having migration requests rejected?  As we tend to close non-SO questions due to the lack of migration path, would it not be better to at least try to migrate first? If that gets us nowhere then we close, but at least we've tried." CreationDate="2014-12-05T06:32:33.123" UserId="29406" />
  <row Id="4845" PostId="3275" Score="0" Text="@garethTheRed No downside other than annoying that site with questions they don't want. We shouldn't migrate posts that we know don't belong there, but if we're reasonably sure they'd want it then we might as well try. People should really flag questions that need to be migrated, and we rarely get flags requesting it, but I don't know if that's because we don't have many questions that need to be migrated or because people don't know to do that and just vote to close instead" CreationDate="2014-12-05T06:43:07.650" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="4846" PostId="3275" Score="0" Text="Therefore, a possible work around (if at all possible, of course) could be a message on the migration pop-up to the effect that we should flag a question if we think it needs to be moved to an unlisted site. I agree that the majority of us vote to close as &quot;off topic&quot; instead of trying to migrate them, which is unfair on the original poster." CreationDate="2014-12-05T06:49:32.670" UserId="29406" />
  <row Id="4847" PostId="3280" Score="0" Text="@garethTheRed As I wrote in my answer, the migration path justifies more migrated questions, but not a 10:1 ratio. I still read a majority of questions on the site and I don't get the impression that we fail to migrate the ones that should migrated to SU, I see a lot fewer of them than programming questions." CreationDate="2014-12-05T09:42:47.163" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="4848" PostId="3280" Score="0" Text="Note that your stats don't include questions that were closed here instead of migrated, case point http://unix.stackexchange.com/q/169894/41104" CreationDate="2014-12-05T15:05:48.003" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="4849" PostId="3260" Score="0" Text="See the [Question I Posted and Answered on 12/4](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/3278/how-can-i-be-assured-that-my-issue-can-be-helped-here) on some of this issue in order to encourage a more &quot;standardized approach.&quot;" CreationDate="2014-12-05T16:22:02.400" UserId="64157" />
  <row Id="4850" PostId="3280" Score="0" Text="@Braiam I do note this in my answer. For the third time, I don't think that the number of such questions is large enough to warrant a migration path." CreationDate="2014-12-05T19:31:12.800" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="4851" PostId="3279" Score="0" Text="This was fun. Thanks. FizzBuzz: `while printf &quot;%.$((!((f=!((n+=1)%5))|(b=!((n/=101&gt;n)%3)))))0s%.${f}0s%.${b}0s\n&quot; &quot;$n&quot; Fizz Buzz;do :;done`" CreationDate="2014-12-06T09:32:26.793" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="4852" PostId="3277" Score="0" Text="I'm not sure if you can delete a question with undeleted answers.  We could try and see ;)  Also, they have to have been closed for at least 48 hours: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5221/how-does-deleting-work-what-can-cause-a-post-to-be-deleted-and-what-does-that" CreationDate="2014-12-06T13:49:01.040" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="4853" PostId="3281" Score="0" Text="+1, good Q. I too remember being dissatisfied w/ the exposure to these things." CreationDate="2014-12-06T15:15:57.407" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="4854" PostId="3282" Score="1" Text="Could you show the logs?" CreationDate="2014-12-06T16:30:42.363" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="4856" PostId="3282" Score="4" Text="Do the two icons next to StackExchange in the top bar ( `Recent Inbox Messages` resp. `Recent Achievents: ...` ever change (red backgrounded number, +10/20 etc green highlight)? If not you seem to be blocking unsolicited updates of your page that are based on other peoples actions (upvoting, commenting)." CreationDate="2014-12-06T16:57:17.930" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="4857" PostId="3277" Score="0" Text="@goldilocks You can delete questions with undeleted answers. 20k users are also not subject to the 48 hour limit, they can delete questions as soon as they're closed" CreationDate="2014-12-06T17:18:08.270" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="4858" PostId="3277" Score="0" Text="@MichaelMrozek WRT 20k users and the 48 hour limit, I don't think so.  I don't have the option to delete stuff closed today here, and there are no more privileges left for me to earn." CreationDate="2014-12-06T17:20:56.697" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="4859" PostId="3277" Score="0" Text="@goldilocks Oh, they need to have a [score of -3 or lower](http://unix.stackexchange.com/help/privileges/trusted-user); I forgot that part" CreationDate="2014-12-06T19:33:49.323" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="4860" PostId="3282" Score="0" Text="@Braiam - I am sorry, but I don't keep a record of rejected packets. I also do not have sufficient technical skills to troubleshoot this. But the firewall rule that I am using, `--ctstate RELATED,ESTABLISHED` is standard iptables rule. Anybody who is interested can test it himself." CreationDate="2014-12-06T22:41:32.460" UserId="43007" />
  <row Id="4861" PostId="3283" Score="0" Text="thanks, but this is standard iptables rule: `--ctstate RELATED,ESTABLISHED`. I have no idea about the inner workings of this module, but I would expect it inspects packets and decides whether it is related to existing session or not. Apparently, some packets fail this test." CreationDate="2014-12-06T22:46:21.710" UserId="43007" />
  <row Id="4862" PostId="3286" Score="1" Text="Or, you know... comment ;)" CreationDate="2014-12-08T19:50:39.860" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="4863" PostId="3274" Score="1" Text="SO is currently trailing a new triage feature and there has been a suggestion that this could be extended with a broader migration capability - http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/278648/solution-for-migrating-to-minor-sites - which is likely more widely useful across the SE network should the proposed triage extension get implemented" CreationDate="2014-12-09T12:37:34.390" UserId="17852" />
  <row Id="4864" PostId="3274" Score="0" Text="@RobV - they must have read my mind :-p Let's hope it works and is implemented accross all sites." CreationDate="2014-12-09T12:45:37.780" UserId="29406" />
  <row Id="4865" PostId="3287" Score="0" Text="+1 (I was the other person rejecting)" CreationDate="2014-12-09T19:53:38.137" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="4867" PostId="3267" Score="0" Text="@slm I deleted that [feature request](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/3246/expanding-username-for-the-editors-of-a-post) as it was already implemented: [Expand the username auto-completion to everyone who can be notified](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/106534/186664)" CreationDate="2014-12-10T02:44:26.747" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="4868" PostId="3285" Score="0" Text="[The question you link to](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/171008/udevadm-trigger-runs-only-one-rule) is about suspending. Which of the 41 (not 11) [tag:sleep] questions is about the program? We can use the tag name [tag:sleep-command] (like we already have [tag:file-command] and [tag:mail-command])." CreationDate="2014-12-10T16:35:04.693" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="4869" PostId="3285" Score="3" Text="As an additional complication, [tag:suspend] is also used for suspending applications in a terminal (Ctrl+Z)." CreationDate="2014-12-10T16:36:18.860" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="4870" PostId="3281" Score="1" Text="Once you've voted on a review item, you can see how others voted on that item, and you can go back to that item in your activity list. For statistical data, you can find historical information in the [data explorer](http://data.stackexchange.com/), e.g. [my contested suggested edit reviews](http://data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/79860/my-contested-suggested-edit-reviews), [How often do people edit in LQP review?](http://data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/199503/how-often-do-people-edit-in-lqp-review)" CreationDate="2014-12-10T16:42:19.873" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="4871" PostId="3285" Score="0" Text="@Gilles Oops. I was on the &quot;unanswered&quot; tab, hence the wrong question counts and copied the wrong link, hence the bad example. Both fixed now." CreationDate="2014-12-10T18:29:36.483" UserId="16404" />
  <row Id="4872" PostId="3290" Score="7" Text="I'll post a full answer when I get the chance, but in the meantime: yes, please flag. Answers should be more than placeholders when posted. Last thing we need here is the fastest gun in the west syndrome." CreationDate="2014-12-11T09:28:26.110" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="4873" PostId="3290" Score="2" Text="I'd noticed it as well. Flag them." CreationDate="2014-12-11T13:17:07.027" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="4874" PostId="3290" Score="0" Text="I always post a comment similar to @terdon and actually work on an answer, but even being disabled I agree that this practice should not be tolerated." CreationDate="2014-12-11T14:30:32.103" UserId="64157" />
  <row Id="4875" PostId="2864" Score="1" Text="I love how the home page begins, *&quot;Finally, a command&#xA;line shell for the 90s&quot;*..." CreationDate="2014-12-11T15:51:34.120" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="4876" PostId="3290" Score="2" Text="I can see how gaming the game this way might work for people sometimes on S.O., but we don't generally get people dropping nine identical answers in 3 minutes, so perhaps they will eventually clue in that doing this is just pointless here." CreationDate="2014-12-11T16:15:43.610" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="4879" PostId="3291" Score="2" Text="That's because bash is a shell, and any bash script is a shell script in essence, so, [both are synonyms](http://unix.stackexchange.com/tags/shell-script/synonyms)." CreationDate="2014-12-12T01:31:32.560" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="4880" PostId="3291" Score="1" Text="Thank you @Braiam, if you submit that as an answer I will accept it." CreationDate="2014-12-12T01:32:29.687" UserId="19416" />
  <row Id="4882" PostId="3285" Score="1" Text="`Ctrl-Z` should be tagged as `signals` or if it really needs to have its own tag (which I doubt) explicitly `SIGSTOP`." CreationDate="2014-12-12T16:20:34.280" UserId="80886" />
  <row Id="4883" PostId="3282" Score="3" Text="Logging the traffic would be a good start. And running a firewall that you don't understand is generally considered a Bad Idea." CreationDate="2014-12-13T19:11:21.307" UserId="20805" />
  <row Id="4884" PostId="3282" Score="0" Text="@Michael Hampton - What makes you believe I don't understand my firewall rule?" CreationDate="2014-12-13T19:17:17.320" UserId="43007" />
  <row Id="4885" PostId="3283" Score="9" Text="@MartinVegter `iptables --ctstate` (and other forms of state tracking) are not always up to date with the way the web works. In this case you are the one blocking websocket traffic. You need to allow this traffic and leave it up to your browser to authenticate it with existing sessions (or reject it). It is not the job of a firewall to implement and be able to verify all communication protocols, only to decide which protocols you want to use. Stop blocking the protocol and the standard systems that use websockets will start working again, simple as that." CreationDate="2014-12-13T19:22:10.413" UserId="1925" />
  <row Id="4886" PostId="3282" Score="3" Text="Because you said so yourself. And, because your first two rules are reversed." CreationDate="2014-12-13T19:22:13.967" UserId="20805" />
  <row Id="4887" PostId="3282" Score="0" Text="@Michael Hampton - what do you mean the rules are reversed? The `--update` rule must be first, to drop the already blacklisted IP addresses. Only clean IP addresses get to the second line and get a chance to pass the RELATED,ESTABLISHED test. I don't understand the &quot;recent module&quot; internals (I have not studied the code), but I understand what the rule does." CreationDate="2014-12-13T19:26:44.100" UserId="43007" />
  <row Id="4888" PostId="3282" Score="2" Text="Yes, and that's how legitimate traffic gets blocked." CreationDate="2014-12-13T19:27:52.027" UserId="20805" />
  <row Id="4889" PostId="3282" Score="0" Text="@Michael Hampton - I am sorry, but I don't follow" CreationDate="2014-12-13T19:28:41.090" UserId="43007" />
  <row Id="4890" PostId="3296" Score="1" Text="i liked my tag better..." CreationDate="2014-12-15T01:06:25.590" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="4891" PostId="3295" Score="0" Text="Posted without comment: http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/a/3257/6761" CreationDate="2014-12-15T01:58:40.997" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="4892" PostId="3295" Score="0" Text="@jasonwryan - I guess it just goes to show you that you *SHOULD NEVER DISAGREE*" CreationDate="2014-12-15T02:01:01.267" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="4893" PostId="3295" Score="0" Text="Maybe we need a Contrarian Hat?" CreationDate="2014-12-15T02:05:57.433" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="4894" PostId="3295" Score="1" Text="@jasonwryan - hats are for suckers" CreationDate="2014-12-15T02:14:03.353" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="4895" PostId="3298" Score="2" Text="[tl;dr yes.](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/25404/213575)" CreationDate="2014-12-17T16:04:10.147" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="4896" PostId="3299" Score="0" Text="So why haven't the moderators done anything about that? Or have they? Has he himself made a second account? And why am I asking you this instead of him and the moderators..." CreationDate="2014-12-17T23:50:34.077" UserId="32191" />
  <row Id="4897" PostId="3299" Score="1" Text="@HaukeLaging Why haven't the moderators done anything about what? I don't see anything actionable here." CreationDate="2014-12-17T23:55:06.560" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="4898" PostId="3299" Score="0" Text="Haven't you just told me that &quot;It's not ok to use someone's name and avatar&quot;? So is there a sophisticated difference between &quot;not OK&quot; and &quot;actionable&quot;?" CreationDate="2014-12-18T00:23:40.743" UserId="32191" />
  <row Id="4899" PostId="3299" Score="0" Text="@HaukeLaging It's ok if it's the same person doing it! It's not impersonation then." CreationDate="2014-12-18T00:25:14.660" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="4900" PostId="3290" Score="1" Text="Posting a comment is much appreciated. Fast comments get the process moving. But posting a placeholder answer is just plain rude. Placeholder answers discourage other people from reading the posting, other people who might actually know the answer." CreationDate="2014-12-18T04:01:59.810" UserId="92670" />
  <row Id="4901" PostId="3298" Score="0" Text="See [here](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/q/3230) for _why_." CreationDate="2014-12-18T21:33:25.963" UserId="22565" />
  <row Id="4902" PostId="3298" Score="0" Text="@StéphaneChazelas Maybe I am not the only one who gets confused. You could simply add a &quot;This is a clone of that account&quot; and this link to its user page." CreationDate="2014-12-19T01:25:11.097" UserId="32191" />
  <row Id="4903" PostId="3301" Score="0" Text="Should probably do that for &quot;enter image description here&quot; too." CreationDate="2014-12-22T15:00:05.210" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="4905" PostId="3301" Score="0" Text="I only have seen this with the code message but it can be applied to every placeholder text for any of the inserts (bold, italics etc)." CreationDate="2014-12-22T16:41:38.013" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="4907" PostId="2642" Score="1" Text="@terdon, If &quot;because they tend to become obsolete quickly&quot; is a reason for closing a post, then all posts regarding web development  on SO should be closed. Every two months is a new generation in web dev and the information there grows stale at a **much** faster rate than your book recommendations." CreationDate="2014-12-25T11:54:46.933" UserId="89884" />
  <row Id="4908" PostId="3303" Score="0" Text="How do you mean &quot;platform agnostic&quot;? Most of the puppet stuff I would want to post is going to be applicable to most *nix platforms." CreationDate="2014-12-25T13:48:13.873" UserId="34520" />
  <row Id="4909" PostId="3303" Score="4" Text="I mean that if your Q&amp;As are equally applicable to *nix and Windows, they'd still be on topic but would probably be more so on [su]. If they are about using puppet on a nix platform, they are perfect for us." CreationDate="2014-12-25T15:07:05.273" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="4910" PostId="3302" Score="0" Text="Excellent. I'm looking forward to these questions!" CreationDate="2014-12-26T11:14:03.487" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="4911" PostId="3302" Score="1" Text="Some context: [Puppet](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puppet_%28software%29) - *Puppet is an open source configuration management utility. It runs on many Unix-like systems as well as on Microsoft Windows, and includes its own declarative language to describe system configuration.*." CreationDate="2014-12-27T01:29:10.447" UserId="8284" />
  <row Id="4912" PostId="1514" Score="0" Text="@drs Not only that, you do need at least 25 rep to vote" CreationDate="2014-12-28T15:59:46.933" UserId="22558" />
  <row Id="4913" PostId="3305" Score="1" Text="This regularly happens with edits. I don't remember why but I assume it is known and just not worth &quot;fixing&quot;. Don't remember where my source was though." CreationDate="2014-12-28T22:24:03.403" UserId="28893" />
  <row Id="4914" PostId="3307" Score="1" Text="Thank you for addressing this. However, to not post here until/unless the AskUbuntu posts are deleted, would be too late. The material would be gone and irretrievable unless StackExchange were to create a mechanism for authors to privately access any and all questions, even after &quot;deletion&quot;.  The answers and comments would need to remain accessible as well. The same capability would also need to be provided for answerers and commenters." CreationDate="2014-12-30T00:40:08.387" UserId="27437" />
  <row Id="4916" PostId="3307" Score="6" Text="@DocSalvager You can already see your deleted questions, it's been that way [for a while](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/173513/turbocharging-the-roomba-solutions-for-premature-deletion/177675#177675), you just need to have a link to them. Double-posting all questions just in case they get deleted from one site isn't really tenable" CreationDate="2014-12-30T03:56:48.057" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="4917" PostId="3307" Score="0" Text="Thank You for pointing that out. I had not noticed that. That mitigates most of my concerns, though I would still like to see that mechanism extended to all Q&amp;As instead of just recent, [as Tim has proposed on StackExchange Meta](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/185491/what-is-the-deleted-recent-questions-page-in-the-user-profile/185492#185492)." CreationDate="2014-12-30T09:59:59.230" UserId="27437" />
  <row Id="4918" PostId="3306" Score="0" Text="I should point out that *new* questions on EOL releases are likely to be closed, but questions which were posted when the release was supported are safe. So if you posted about 10.04 when 10.04 was supported, your question will (should) not be deleted." CreationDate="2014-12-30T13:13:38.093" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="4919" PostId="3303" Score="1" Text="Though puppet is platform agnostic, the use of puppet for specific *nix system configuration seems even more appropriate for unix.SE, but may also be appropriate for ServerFault." CreationDate="2014-12-30T18:01:42.080" UserId="48841" />
  <row Id="4920" PostId="3298" Score="0" Text="Which prompts the question, &quot;Is it ok to have two (or more) accounts? And what is the limit?&quot; (that would seem to invite abuse)" CreationDate="2014-12-30T18:06:44.320" UserId="48841" />
  <row Id="4921" PostId="3306" Score="0" Text="Why? Why does it matter at all whether the manufacturer still supports a release? Why doesn't SEU want to help people running older versions on low-performance hardware? Why discriminate against poor people?" CreationDate="2014-12-31T04:21:58.370" UserId="27437" />
  <row Id="4922" PostId="3306" Score="1" Text="Who says SEU does that? If you have a fresh question on unsupported releases, ask on U&amp;L. Why does it matter? Because the community on AU decided it matters. Please don't raise rubbish straw man arguments that show no understanding of the sites involved." CreationDate="2014-12-31T04:25:29.353" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="4923" PostId="3304" Score="0" Text="Interesting; there's only slightly more (1,420) [questions tagged puppet on Stack Overflow](http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/puppet). I would have thought there'd be much more." CreationDate="2015-01-01T01:28:32.927" UserId="56148" />
  <row Id="4924" PostId="3312" Score="3" Text="This is a demonstration post to indicate how this should look when an ad is posted. It also doubles as your twitter ad, but it's up to you if you wish to promote it by voting. Which you probably won't. -21 is currently the network record for poorest reception - you even outvoted Server Fault." CreationDate="2015-01-01T03:20:46.320" UserId="9541" />
  <row Id="4925" PostId="3312" Score="12" Text="Can you make a version that replaces &quot;Follow us on twitter!&quot; with &quot;More negative than Server Fault!&quot;?" CreationDate="2015-01-01T04:20:45.927" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="4926" PostId="3312" Score="2" Text="See me next year and I'll see what I can do." CreationDate="2015-01-01T04:35:33.127" UserId="9541" />
  <row Id="4927" PostId="3304" Score="2" Text="There's a difference between writing puppet manifests and managing the puppet infrastructure and I'd guess that the first gets mostly to Unix.SE and the latter goes to ServerFault." CreationDate="2015-01-01T15:46:29.440" UserId="22642" />
  <row Id="4928" PostId="3316" Score="0" Text="Thanks to [Wandering Logic](http://meta.cs.stackexchange.com/questions/799/advertising-computer-science-stack-exchange-on-other-se-sites/962#962)" CreationDate="2015-01-01T22:20:06.467" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="4929" PostId="3317" Score="3" Text="Thanks to [Stéphane Chazelas](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/a/2568)" CreationDate="2015-01-01T22:23:32.803" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="4930" PostId="3320" Score="4" Text="Well, I wouldn't call the native plan9 API/shell/etc. *nix *exactly* - if anything, it's more unixy than unix, given how untrue &quot;everything is a file&quot; tends to be on actual *nix systems..." CreationDate="2015-01-03T05:15:47.503" UserId="1820" />
  <row Id="4931" PostId="14" Score="0" Text="How do you tell embedded from ancient desktop, anyway ;-P" CreationDate="2015-01-03T05:24:58.550" UserId="1820" />
  <row Id="4932" PostId="2739" Score="1" Text="http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/119905/why-does-my-regular-expression-work-in-x-but-not-in-y ?" CreationDate="2015-01-04T14:48:27.687" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="4933" PostId="3312" Score="5" Text="@MichaelMrozek [SF is already well below us](http://meta.serverfault.com/a/6841) (so there are people who vote on SF after all!), but this year [Math](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/a/19015) is expressing [unprecedented](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/a/11921) hatred of their Twitter bot!" CreationDate="2015-01-05T17:44:32.077" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="4934" PostId="3326" Score="0" Text="Thanks. It was very confusing. It was hard to tell if I had stepped in something again or if it was another user's turn. It would be great if somewhere near the to it said something like &quot;No action required&quot; or &quot;This is not your fault&quot; (second one is meant to be humorous)." CreationDate="2015-01-08T00:41:45.873" UserId="10292" />
  <row Id="4935" PostId="3307" Score="0" Text="It occurs to me that you may wish to revisit the reasons the closers gave. The first seems clearly inapplicable, and since nearly 12,000 people have viewed it (2000 just since it was put on hold), a lot of folks must be getting something from it. Were I one of those, that first close reason might well challenge my trust in the moderators." CreationDate="2015-01-08T06:42:54.603" UserId="27437" />
  <row Id="4936" PostId="3329" Score="0" Text="Ah yeah, now that I think about it, I did have an upvote. The question was &quot;noise&quot; in my opinion because block level limitations ought to be moot if the filesystem sets a lower limit. I just didn't think the problem through so I thought I'd save people the trouble of reading it thinking they were going to get help on a problem." CreationDate="2015-01-08T15:06:49.150" UserId="34520" />
  <row Id="4937" PostId="3329" Score="0" Text="@Bratchley yes, you did have an upvote (I checked). As for whether it's noise or not, that's really up to you. Since you were stumped, however briefly, by this, others might be also and they might benefit from your question if you post an answer to it. That will also get you some rep. It's completely up to you but I see no reason to delete unless you really want to." CreationDate="2015-01-08T15:18:00.303" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="4938" PostId="3330" Score="0" Text="Was this to one of your posts or someone else's? Could you give us a link to the suggested review?" CreationDate="2015-01-08T15:51:52.807" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="4939" PostId="3330" Score="0" Text="@terdon added the link" CreationDate="2015-01-08T17:54:41.633" UserId="32191" />
  <row Id="4940" PostId="3335" Score="0" Text="thanks for letting me know. I will keep it in mind for future reference s." CreationDate="2015-01-08T23:02:07.073" UserId="47538" />
  <row Id="4941" PostId="3330" Score="0" Text="Related: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/88096/change-edit-approval-rejection (3+ years old post)." CreationDate="2015-01-09T05:34:52.593" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="4942" PostId="3339" Score="0" Text="Is there a problem with adding the links in comments?" CreationDate="2015-01-11T10:24:26.943" UserId="5197" />
  <row Id="4944" PostId="3339" Score="0" Text="I quite often disagree with the presentation or content of pages on Wikipedia and I am too busy to WP:SOFIXIT. The links edited in contained (i) links to mostly irrelevant information about SIM cards, and (ii) links to all the OSX products I named, with the feel typical to Wikipedia coverage of Apple that I find distinctly fanboyish, but no links for the Microsoft products I linked to." CreationDate="2015-01-11T10:43:28.603" UserId="5197" />
  <row Id="4945" PostId="3339" Score="0" Text="Does anyone think the typical unix.sx reader needs help finding information on the various incarnations of OSX?  Would any of these links have been voted up if they were posted as comments?" CreationDate="2015-01-11T10:45:51.980" UserId="5197" />
  <row Id="4947" PostId="3339" Score="2" Text="@CharlesStewart if you disagree with an edit simply roll it back. No reason to have a policy about it. Especially when the site in question is Wikipedia.  Just remove the links. That said, remember that the content you post here is under the CC license and does not really belong to you as such." CreationDate="2015-01-11T13:47:01.150" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="4948" PostId="3335" Score="3" Text="I disagree. Sure, a link only answer is bad; but if the answer is accepted, the link still valid and you don't have time to edit it then leave it alone. A link answer with a valid link is still better than no answer in my opinion." CreationDate="2015-01-12T15:23:26.940" UserDisplayName="user67289" />
  <row Id="4949" PostId="3335" Score="5" Text="@AndréDaniel no, sorry. Link only answers are bad both because of the risk of link rot and because _they're not actually answers_. We want questions to be answered _here_, not somewhere else. If your answer just tells me where I can find an answer then it is not actually answering my question. For more on this see [here](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/225370/203101) and the [dozens](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/link-only-answers) of similar discussions. A link only answer is no answer at all. If you flag it, we can either fix it or convert it to a comment instead." CreationDate="2015-01-12T15:30:40.857" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="4950" PostId="3335" Score="1" Text="@terdon if you fix it or convert to comments then it's great; I was just worried about the &quot;wild&quot; deletion of such &quot;answers&quot;. Sure, they're bad and not really answers, but until someone else fixes them by editing or posting a real answer, it's better than nothing." CreationDate="2015-01-12T15:35:27.547" UserDisplayName="user67289" />
  <row Id="4952" PostId="3335" Score="0" Text="@AndréDaniel even that's arguable (read the post I linked to) but in any case, in order for them to be fixed you either need to do it yourself or flag it so the mods can deal with it. Leaving it alone is never the right solution. That's what I wanted to clarify." CreationDate="2015-01-12T15:45:23.747" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="4953" PostId="3335" Score="1" Text="@terdon sorry for the confusion; by &quot;leaving them alone&quot; I meant I wanted them to still live (converted to a comment for example) until someone posts something better. So yeah, if you say flagging them will get them fixed or (at worst) converted to a comment then I agree with you." CreationDate="2015-01-12T15:48:02.783" UserDisplayName="user67289" />
  <row Id="4954" PostId="3338" Score="0" Text="I've written a first draft of a proposed policy: http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/a/3341/5197" CreationDate="2015-01-12T16:30:33.270" UserId="5197" />
  <row Id="4955" PostId="3339" Score="0" Text="@terdon: I've suggested a policy on editing in links to answers at http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/a/3341/5197 - it is existing policy that edits must *clarify the meaning of a post without changing it*." CreationDate="2015-01-12T16:35:08.693" UserId="5197" />
  <row Id="4956" PostId="3341" Score="2" Text="While I agree with Goldilocks that these particular edits were not really necessary, I do think you're getting worked up about nothing. If you don't like an edit, simply reverse it. I and at least some of the others who have answered here don't share your view of Wikipedia and, as far as I can tell, the edits to your answer meet all of your proposed criteria anyway. I realize you disagree but, again, just revert the edit." CreationDate="2015-01-12T16:42:38.873" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="4959" PostId="3341" Score="0" Text="@terdon: I hoped it was clear that I was raising a wider point.  I removed the links before I posted here, but the issue has been raised on several other sites, e.g., http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/273197/a-better-way-to-spot-spam-edits-introducing-spurious-links" CreationDate="2015-01-12T16:54:31.037" UserId="5197" />
  <row Id="4960" PostId="3341" Score="1" Text="I'm sorry but I just don't see a problem here. The meta Q you linked to talks about making added links easier to spot in reviews. That sounds great. It also refers to users adding links to irrelevant resources. You are talking about links to the relevant wikipedia pages. You may dislike it and they may well be unnecessary but they are relevant. Anyway, we'll let the community decide. Personally, I think this is a storm in a teacup but I will gladly enforce the policy if that's what the community decides." CreationDate="2015-01-12T16:57:38.850" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="4961" PostId="3341" Score="0" Text="@terdon - OK, that is fair.  I'll just say that I think we should be aiming for a higher standard than minimal relevance when we audit suggested edits." CreationDate="2015-01-12T17:21:20.620" UserId="5197" />
  <row Id="4962" PostId="2576" Score="1" Text="I saw this in the sidebar and expected an obituary." CreationDate="2015-01-12T19:13:26.900" UserId="21196" />
  <row Id="4963" PostId="3343" Score="0" Text="More colourful background." CreationDate="2015-01-12T23:59:56.963" UserId="2972" />
  <row Id="4964" PostId="3322" Score="8" Text="Just realised those stripes actually _are_ parallel (though my brain clearly thinks they're not)." CreationDate="2015-01-13T10:08:36.267" UserId="22565" />
  <row Id="4965" PostId="3341" Score="0" Text="There is a new Slate story on some problematic social dynamics in Wikipedia that supports my last aside: http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2014/12/wikipedia_editing_disputes_the_crowdsourced_encyclopedia_has_become_a_rancorous.single.html" CreationDate="2015-01-13T11:11:05.667" UserId="5197" />
  <row Id="4966" PostId="3322" Score="4" Text="GNU Parallel cannot take credit for that idea: It is the Cafe Wall Illusion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caf%C3%A9_wall_illusion" CreationDate="2015-01-13T13:37:43.077" UserId="2972" />
  <row Id="4967" PostId="3335" Score="0" Text="@AndréDaniel you might want to read this http://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/271549/792066" CreationDate="2015-01-13T16:39:26.863" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="4968" PostId="3341" Score="0" Text="I'd say based on that author's interpretation of the [&quot;Cultural Marxism&quot;](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School#Conspiracy_theory) issue -- which is blatant historical revisionism -- that he's either an angry wingnut, a pompous ignoramus, or both.  Wikipedia is a much more ambitious project than S.E. and has correspondingly greater challanges.  I think if you look around the non-technical S.E. forums, you start to see the relevance of expertise sharply drop off and descend into arbitrariness; e.g., the quality of Philosophy Beta in relation to articles in wikipedia is low." CreationDate="2015-01-15T16:24:33.487" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="4969" PostId="3341" Score="0" Text="No offence to Philosophy Beta, of course. The limitations are in the format.  What makes S.E. great for some things makes it kind of dubious for others, my point being that despite the problems, I have yet to hear of anyone doing wikipedia better than wikipedia." CreationDate="2015-01-15T16:26:54.273" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="4970" PostId="3345" Score="1" Text="[:)](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/3311/community-promotion-ads-2015/3345#comment4925_3312)" CreationDate="2015-01-17T22:30:37.677" UserId="16404" />
  <row Id="4971" PostId="3341" Score="0" Text="@goldilocks - The articles within the scope of the WP Philosophy Wikiproject are an embarassment, a den of relativism, unsourced assertions and POV pushing; this is especially sad since they were an area of particular strength at the start because of Larry Sanger's initial contribution.  Anyone who cares about philosophy uses the Stanford Encyclopedia instead." CreationDate="2015-01-19T11:04:58.450" UserId="5197" />
  <row Id="4972" PostId="3341" Score="0" Text="@goldilocks - Wrt. Cultural Marxism: I'm not sure I understand your point: actually the AfD was substantial and well-closed, but the failure of WP to be able to maintain a useful article in the face of culture warriors highlights a problem with WP." CreationDate="2015-01-19T11:05:29.110" UserId="5197" />
  <row Id="4973" PostId="3341" Score="0" Text="My point is it's an encyclopedia, not a radical news weekly. The people behind Cultural Marxism have *extremely controversial views* that would be laughed out of 95% of the university classrooms in the modern west.  That's fine, and they have the right to free speech -- just like ISIS or the KKK.  However, if their views appear in an encyclopedia, it should be in an article *about them* (as it is now).  They should not be allowed to weasel their way into the organization so that they can create articles that present these views in an anonymous way..." CreationDate="2015-01-19T14:17:19.550" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="4974" PostId="3341" Score="0" Text="...e.g., if ISIS wrote a normal wiki article about 9/11, most likely we would say this encyclopedia is absurd to permit it. An article or section explicitly *about* their views, attributed to them by name, makes sense.  As another analogy, consider an article on **Bigfoot** and what it could contain and how that information *should* be presented. I have a B.A. and I studied critical theory and some of the Frankfurt School and I am aware that there are lunatic political extremists in the U.S. that see the spectre of communism everywhere, just like their are lunatic elements that see Bigfoot..." CreationDate="2015-01-19T14:18:26.337" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="4975" PostId="3341" Score="0" Text="...on a regular basis.  This does not entitle them to write complete encyclopedia articles as if their views were somehow considered objective by other people.  They are not, and no amount of anti-intellectual obfuscation will change that.  I think there is a tendency in people who have only studied the sciences to think the arts are just all made up mumbo jumbo and anyone's opinion is equally valid.  This is incorrect.  There are standards, accepted canons, *academic rigour*, *academic honesty*, etc.  ISIS, the KKK, the wingnuts behind &quot;Cultural Marxism&quot;, etc. do not meet these standards." CreationDate="2015-01-19T14:19:40.830" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="4976" PostId="3341" Score="0" Text="Currently Wikipedia contains mostly textbook quality on academic subjects. It's astounding they have done this with such an open framework. It should stay that way.  If the people behind it have to hurt some feelings or raise some ire to keep it so, bravo.  There may be some good examples of dysfunctionality in the organization, but anyone who thinks this particular incident should count *against* them has completely lost the forest for the trees.  That kind of person has some kind of grudge and is acting out.  **The right to free speech is not the right to be taken seriously.**" CreationDate="2015-01-19T14:21:22.303" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="4977" PostId="3341" Score="0" Text="Point being: If someone is suggesting a change in procedure that would enable these kinds of people to present their views anonymously as objective, I don't care what the procedural issue is or what some foolish dupe might see in it.  If their manipulations fail, *the system is working*." CreationDate="2015-01-19T14:24:25.373" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="4978" PostId="3341" Score="0" Text="**WRT the SEP,** they have some great stuff on a fairly limited range of things partially reflecting the schism between Anglo-Analytic philosophy and Continental in *the English* speaking world.  It's philosophy as practiced at a particular institution which has some particular expertise.  E.g., I would not bother researching post structuralism there or going to Stanford to study it.  So the SEP is great, but Wikipedia covers philosophy in a more complete and inclusive way." CreationDate="2015-01-19T14:33:34.900" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="4979" PostId="3341" Score="0" Text="By some bizarre coincidence today [here's an article](http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/19/cultural-marxism-a-uniting-theory-for-rightwingers-who-love-to-play-the-victim) from *The Guardian* that (albeit flowery in parts) gets at some of the political history regarding why an encyclopedia should not be legitimizing the concept of &quot;Cultural Marxism&quot; -- a phrase I promise you will not find in the SEP." CreationDate="2015-01-20T05:31:21.407" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="4980" PostId="3344" Score="5" Text="Needs some text." CreationDate="2015-01-21T04:14:03.590" UserId="63398" />
  <row Id="4981" PostId="3347" Score="2" Text="The three others may have voted at the question and not in the review queue." CreationDate="2015-01-21T09:54:02.790" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="4982" PostId="3354" Score="0" Text="I think he's asking more about multiple, specific shell tags. This question is about tagging with both `bash` and `zsh`." CreationDate="2015-01-23T16:11:09.143" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="4983" PostId="3354" Score="0" Text="I would then argue that each specific dialect is appropriate. `bash` and `zsh` being present would signify interest in two (somewhat compatible) dialects and disinterest in others like `csh`, etc." CreationDate="2015-01-23T16:12:54.133" UserId="53706" />
  <row Id="4984" PostId="3354" Score="1" Text="Exactly. What seems very obvious to me is that we can't have sweeping rules like &quot;never combine tagX and tagY&quot;." CreationDate="2015-01-23T16:15:14.583" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="4985" PostId="3354" Score="0" Text="So, you foresee a question tagged with all [bash] [zsh] [tcsh] [shell] [ksh]?" CreationDate="2015-01-23T16:19:05.317" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="4986" PostId="3354" Score="2" Text="@Braiam At that point you are dialect agnostic and need only the `shell` tag." CreationDate="2015-01-23T16:22:24.477" UserId="53706" />
  <row Id="4987" PostId="3354" Score="0" Text="Can you add that to your answer so I can upvote it?" CreationDate="2015-01-23T16:22:53.553" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="4988" PostId="3354" Score="0" Text="@Braiam edited." CreationDate="2015-01-23T16:25:53.987" UserId="53706" />
  <row Id="4989" PostId="3350" Score="4" Text="tbh is having a category for the `cd` command really a good idea anyways? Wouldn't that be basically a `bash` or `zsh` (or whatever their shell is) question? Also, it seems like `cd` is too short of a name to be unique anyways so this is kind of inevitable. Seems `cdrom` is more along the lines people are thinking of and would be hard to confuse with a shell built-in." CreationDate="2015-01-23T16:43:11.213" UserId="34520" />
  <row Id="4990" PostId="3312" Score="0" Text="@MichaelMrozek - http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/a/3345/52956..." CreationDate="2015-01-23T17:42:16.290" UserId="52956" />
  <row Id="4991" PostId="3352" Score="0" Text="Put yourself in the shoes of someone searching by tag: if a particular Q&amp;A would be a valuable return in that query, then it should be tagged as such..." CreationDate="2015-01-23T19:14:09.983" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="4992" PostId="3352" Score="0" Text="@jasonwryan that's what I do... still doesn't make sense having a question with all [bash] [zsh] [tcsh] [shell] [ksh] tags." CreationDate="2015-01-23T19:16:03.157" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="4993" PostId="3352" Score="1" Text="I see no harm in it: if I'm searching on [zsh] and the answer is applicable, I'd like it to show up..." CreationDate="2015-01-23T19:28:42.873" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="4994" PostId="3352" Score="0" Text="@jasonwryan if you are searching for a zsh answer, why the [ksh] or [tcsh] tag?" CreationDate="2015-01-23T19:54:38.873" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="4995" PostId="3352" Score="1" Text="[zsh] was just an example: my point is *if it is applicable* then it is not harmful to include any other tag; it is, in fact, helpful because you can't predict what people will search on." CreationDate="2015-01-23T20:54:46.353" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="4996" PostId="3352" Score="0" Text="@jasonwryan I think that the idea of what you think tags are for is not actually what they are. We agree if it's applicable you should use the tags, but not for that reason you will just drop all of them, because you have a agnostic/generic shell question." CreationDate="2015-01-23T21:49:38.730" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="4997" PostId="3352" Score="0" Text="Well, read back over my comments: I have not argued for *indiscriminate* tagging: but if it is relevant to [bash], [zsh], [ksh] etc, then it should be tagged as such." CreationDate="2015-01-23T23:02:20.917" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="4999" PostId="3357" Score="0" Text="I think we can do this manually, since there are only ~20." CreationDate="2015-01-24T13:56:28.433" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="5000" PostId="558" Score="0" Text="possible duplicate of [Rename \[cd\] to \[cd-command\]](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/3350/rename-cd-to-cd-command)" CreationDate="2015-01-24T17:10:33.167" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="5001" PostId="3357" Score="0" Text="Agreed, but I wanted at least a third endorsement, you know: look like I'm seeking consensus." CreationDate="2015-01-24T17:29:10.153" UserId="52456" />
  <row Id="5002" PostId="3359" Score="1" Text="You should probably point out that posting on meta is an entirely reasonable way to ask the moderators for help in things like this." CreationDate="2015-01-25T02:10:46.167" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="5003" PostId="3360" Score="0" Text="One is tagged [tag:fakeroot], none [tag:fakeroot-ng] as I was unsure. Thanks for the answer." CreationDate="2015-01-25T02:30:59.627" UserId="5462" />
  <row Id="5004" PostId="3366" Score="0" Text="[OK](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/147643/260388)" CreationDate="2015-01-26T12:06:18.383" UserId="66803" />
  <row Id="5005" PostId="3365" Score="0" Text="Related: http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/3361/reverse-duplicate-direction" CreationDate="2015-01-26T12:40:38.040" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="5006" PostId="3345" Score="5" Text="Nice joke and all, but this gives the impression that U&amp;L, as in *the site*, is more negative than Server Fault." CreationDate="2015-01-26T20:41:10.060" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="5016" PostId="3370" Score="2" Text="Note that users with less than 10k rep will only see their own review history. Stats per close reason would be more interesting than global ones, to see if e.g. &quot;unclear&quot; questions have more chances of being salvaged than &quot;off-topic&quot; for example." CreationDate="2015-01-29T12:18:25.580" UserId="5842" />
  <row Id="5017" PostId="3371" Score="0" Text="Wow, that tag is a mess! Personally I would have thought scheduling referred to process, I/O, etc. scheduling, not cron. Maybe someone from Redmond decided on the tag description? (I think Windows calls its cron-like feature Task Scheduler)." CreationDate="2015-01-29T19:06:58.237" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="5018" PostId="3371" Score="2" Text="We should disambiguate, maybe [tag:task-scheduling] or [tag:job-scheduling] for `cron` and the like, and [tag:process-scheduler] for CPU time sharing, and [tag:io-sheduler] for disk/network/… time sharing." CreationDate="2015-01-29T20:20:43.020" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="5019" PostId="3343" Score="0" Text="I think it distracts from the mind-melting optical illusion." CreationDate="2015-01-29T21:58:10.843" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="5020" PostId="3356" Score="3" Text="optical-disc might be a better tag, unless we want different tags for data dvds, and data blu-rays.  Or cdrom would be an ok tag, and typing cd would pop it up as an autocompletion." CreationDate="2015-01-31T03:41:17.080" UserId="79808" />
  <row Id="5021" PostId="3350" Score="0" Text="@Bratchley that would be another discussion." CreationDate="2015-01-31T15:09:03.567" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="5022" PostId="3367" Score="0" Text="Shouldn't this link to the [linux](http://softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/tags/linux) tag?" CreationDate="2015-02-03T08:15:49.883" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="5023" PostId="3367" Score="0" Text="@Gilles Why not! We receive very little AIX/Solaris/HPUX/etc questions in comparison with Linux questions." CreationDate="2015-02-03T08:31:04.367" UserId="2305" />
  <row Id="5024" PostId="3341" Score="0" Text="@goldilocks: Sorry for the delay in responding.  I agree with most of what you have to say, pretty much, and I am pleased with the Guardian article you linked to.  But I don't agree that WP is mostly near textbook quality, and WP's track record has shown that it has a tendency to favour factions who are persistent and work the rules despite its NPOV.  Discussing this in depth, though, I think is beyond the capacity of SX comment threads." CreationDate="2015-02-04T18:41:18.163" UserId="5197" />
  <row Id="5025" PostId="3350" Score="1" Text="@Bratchley `cdrom` does not work for all compact disk related cases, because some are related to CDs including audio CDs. I notice that the same applies to `data-cd`; Not sure we need a tag `compact-disk`, though..." CreationDate="2015-02-04T18:44:25.757" UserId="63775" />
  <row Id="5026" PostId="269" Score="0" Text="What about using `unix-history` instead of `history` and blacklisting `history`? When thinking about a shell history in the context of a question, I would never ever notice that the term could be used in other senses, like the classic one..." CreationDate="2015-02-04T18:54:32.483" UserId="63775" />
  <row Id="5027" PostId="3381" Score="0" Text="Yep, I added [a comment](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/182885/using-grep-to-find-lines-that-contain-all-of-three-specified-characters-in-any/183113#comment305082_183113) to that effect (we were apparently thinking the same thing). Also, I think credit is probably actually *required* by the CC license." CreationDate="2015-02-05T17:35:06.970" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="5028" PostId="3385" Score="2" Text="I do feel bad that you got a bad reception but using words like WTF from a moderator doesn't seem good at least to me." CreationDate="2015-02-06T01:54:47.023" UserId="47538" />
  <row Id="5029" PostId="3381" Score="1" Text="Eh; unless he's copying other answers *verbatim* the license doesn't come into play. Still a *polite* thing to do." CreationDate="2015-02-06T02:07:20.797" UserId="5973" />
  <row Id="5030" PostId="3390" Score="0" Text="This issue has come up many times before. http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/226338/too-quick-with-the-close-button-for-unclear-what-youre-asking, unfortunately, no there isn't a mechanism such as this." CreationDate="2015-02-06T14:01:26.543" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="5031" PostId="3390" Score="0" Text="BTW, if you search on the SE meta site you'll find this brought up in many threads (another example): http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/215705/what-is-a-better-name-for-unclear-what-youre-asking. I'd suggest that it's a community issue to help others by being the voice of reason when you come across it and try and help  the OP salvage their Q when you can. I've left a comment  to this effect on the Q you cited. Many ppl regularly hang out in the UL chat room and we attempt to bring salvageable Q's up there and get them fixed as quickly as we can." CreationDate="2015-02-06T14:02:42.127" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="5032" PostId="3390" Score="0" Text="What does ESL mean?" CreationDate="2015-02-06T14:27:38.250" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="5033" PostId="3390" Score="0" Text="&quot;English as a Second Language&quot; I'm a native English speaker but I don't think we should hold it against people from other countries just because they never found it important enough to improve their English skills." CreationDate="2015-02-06T14:29:04.993" UserId="34520" />
  <row Id="5034" PostId="3391" Score="0" Text="&quot;the explanation given by the close box covers everything.&quot; Except the close box only comes after the question has been closed rather than preemptively trying to simply get more information from them." CreationDate="2015-02-06T14:47:25.553" UserId="34520" />
  <row Id="5035" PostId="3391" Score="1" Text="Requiring comments would at least send out the message that people need to cool down with the &quot;close question&quot; thing and maybe ask a question. I've seen plenty of questions that were clear to me. I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt that others may have just been confused by the wording, but the solution to such an individual problem is just to ask." CreationDate="2015-02-06T14:48:35.557" UserId="34520" />
  <row Id="5036" PostId="3391" Score="0" Text="Not to mention, even if it's a vague comment, it's at least _something_ that indicates what the person felt was confusing about the question." CreationDate="2015-02-06T14:49:49.967" UserId="34520" />
  <row Id="5037" PostId="3384" Score="0" Text="Your tests really should be an answer to the main question, they don't belong on meta. That said, the tests will very much depend on your input. I created a 100MB file of random data with 100 characters per line and ran each of the solutions 20 times to get an average. The single grep was indeed faster (0.10s), followed by perl (0.23) and awk (0.26) and the piped grep was last at 0.5. Perl is _very_ good at text processing and the `&amp;&amp;` mean that lines will be skipped as soon as they don't match one of the three. Presumably, grep will need to process the whole line multiple times." CreationDate="2015-02-06T15:21:32.800" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5038" PostId="3391" Score="3" Text="@Bratchley remember that when a question is closed, any editing will automatically place it in the reopen queue. Closing as unclear does not kill the question, it just gives the OP the chance to edit it and make it clearer." CreationDate="2015-02-06T15:49:23.613" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5039" PostId="3391" Score="0" Text="@Bratchley What terdon said; closing as unclear is specifically in the hope that the asker will fix it. That's why &quot;closed&quot; was even renamed to &quot;on hold&quot;, and the dialog explains what to do if the question is fixable" CreationDate="2015-02-06T15:52:49.187" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="5040" PostId="3391" Score="0" Text="Are there any stats on how many questions put on hold actually get back to an open status? Also how many people just give up at that point? My point also isn't that &quot;close as unclear&quot; isn't _ever_ a valid option, it's just that effectively shutting a post down while it's apparent that no attempt was ever made to actually _get_ more information seems like a bad idea. If you make an attempt at clarity and the OP just doesn't cooperate then closing makes sense." CreationDate="2015-02-06T15:56:56.990" UserId="34520" />
  <row Id="5041" PostId="3393" Score="0" Text="Is that point really at the point of posting the question? Have you never posted a question that confused others? That's effectively all my proposed solution would do: just require that _someone_ have made an attempt to get clarity from the OP. At least on the community level since U&amp;L isn't really suffering from question overload." CreationDate="2015-02-06T19:28:31.717" UserId="34520" />
  <row Id="5042" PostId="3393" Score="0" Text="Also, if you're already having problems communicating in the language of the forum, it may be hard to not qualify for some of the above especially since people tend to think of their problems as being highly specific to them when they're usually very general (causing them to not be able to locate easily understood references online)." CreationDate="2015-02-06T19:32:20.460" UserId="34520" />
  <row Id="5043" PostId="3393" Score="0" Text="@Bratchley re-read my answer: lack of clarity is only a necessary, not a sufficient, condition (except in the txtspeek case)..." CreationDate="2015-02-06T19:42:49.433" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="5044" PostId="3393" Score="0" Text="I actually just caught the &quot;comprised of&quot; joke (at least I'm assuming it was a joke) but my point is that if you're a novice at both the language and the topic it's actually really easy to qualify for a lot of that stuff. Especially the research criteria, 99% of the questions here don't show research because the OP just thinks the question is too simple to show research. My point is just to give the OP a chance to redeem themselves before sending the Q off to languish in &quot;on hold&quot; status." CreationDate="2015-02-06T19:46:24.627" UserId="34520" />
  <row Id="5045" PostId="3393" Score="0" Text="@Bratchley a little more of the post is tongue in cheek, but only to make the point that not every question is worth saving... Erring on the side of caution makes for a better long term outcome for a wiki." CreationDate="2015-02-06T19:50:40.293" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="5046" PostId="3386" Score="1" Text="Thank you for your answer. How are those two good scenarios prohibited by keeping the answer separate? I think they're actually improved by keeping the answer separate (see A of my edit above)? See also B and C of my edit above." CreationDate="2015-02-07T06:47:50.430" UserId="79064" />
  <row Id="5047" PostId="3387" Score="0" Text="Thank you for your answer. &quot;if added to the question, would make it far easier for someone else to provide a comprehensive answer; in its current state, it has the opposite effect...&quot; Why does it have the opposite effect? See also B and C of my edit above. I'll grant you my petulance; I regret that I reacted this way." CreationDate="2015-02-07T06:48:10.920" UserId="79064" />
  <row Id="5048" PostId="3389" Score="0" Text="Thank you for your answer. See B of my edit above. Having seen the community standards reflected in these answers, I grant that the comments aren't noise." CreationDate="2015-02-07T06:48:33.933" UserId="79064" />
  <row Id="5049" PostId="3388" Score="0" Text="Thank you for your answer. See A and C of my edit above." CreationDate="2015-02-07T06:48:52.290" UserId="79064" />
  <row Id="5050" PostId="3392" Score="0" Text="Thank you for your answer. The objection in the first half of this answer hinges on the firm belief that a partial answer should not be posted as an answer (see B of my edit above). Regarding the second half, while I admit that my comment was patronizing (which I regret) and my FAQ references were imprecise, the FAQ does support me here (see C of my edit above)." CreationDate="2015-02-07T06:49:13.297" UserId="79064" />
  <row Id="5051" PostId="3387" Score="3" Text="@AntonGeraschenko In its current state, it discourages further participation, for two reasons. One, it suggests that you are about to answer it yourself anyway, and two, (less significantly, but shouldn't be disregarded) your interactions with others around it are not exactly welcoming..." CreationDate="2015-02-07T06:52:02.997" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="5052" PostId="3387" Score="0" Text="One, the point of the answer is that it is a tedious and unsatisfying solution. Even if all the awful details were fleshed out, it's a mess to go through to get functionality similar to what one could get by simply hitting &lt;TAB&gt;&lt;TAB&gt;. It would have been better to say so explicitly. Two, the interactions did not exist when the answer was posted (is this why you say &quot;current state&quot;?). I hope C of my edit above explains my interactions around it. I was reacting to what I felt was unreasonable hostility; delete votes just didn't make sense." CreationDate="2015-02-07T07:08:53.330" UserId="79064" />
  <row Id="5053" PostId="3387" Score="0" Text="@AntonGeraschenko I understand your reaction now. As to the first part, I was referring to your (partial) answer, not Hauke's." CreationDate="2015-02-07T07:15:17.467" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="5054" PostId="3387" Score="0" Text="I was referring to my (partial) answer as well. If the details of that answer are filled in, it's still a &quot;bad&quot; answer in the sense that it feels unnecessarily complicated relative to the simplicity of &lt;TAB&gt;&lt;TAB&gt;, which gives the same functionality in a non-programmatic way." CreationDate="2015-02-07T07:18:29.320" UserId="79064" />
  <row Id="5055" PostId="3386" Score="0" Text="@AntonGeraschenko I don't recall what you answer actually looked like now, but you should be able to see it as a recently deleted post. Can you either update your original question, or add a screenshot to this meta question?" CreationDate="2015-02-07T07:30:35.303" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="5056" PostId="3386" Score="0" Text="@AntonGeraschenko They're prohibited by diverting attention from the question you originally asked to the question your answer asks." CreationDate="2015-02-07T07:32:34.887" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="5057" PostId="3386" Score="0" Text="I've added it to the original question with slight modification. The modification is to emphasize that I'm more interested in answering the question than filling in the details of this particular approach. Supposing these modifications were in the original answer, do you still think its better to include it in the question?" CreationDate="2015-02-07T07:35:29.063" UserId="79064" />
  <row Id="5058" PostId="3386" Score="3" Text="@AntonGeraschenko I still think it is better. If I see question that says: &quot;I want to do X. Here's how I think it can be done, but it has some drawbacks/I haven't figured it out yet. I am open to other approaches.&quot;, I see nothing wrong with that. It allows one to pursue your approach or look for another way. It is definitely better than your original question, since it shows effort, and provides as much information to others as you can." CreationDate="2015-02-07T07:45:08.333" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="5059" PostId="3386" Score="0" Text="Also, even if somebody answers just the specific bit, you can edit and improve that post to a complete solution, or post your complete solution as answer. I have had that happen to me and I don't have any problems with it." CreationDate="2015-02-07T07:47:11.793" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="5060" PostId="3392" Score="5" Text="@AntonGeraschenko yes, a partial answer should not be posted as an answer. At best, it is a comment. That goes double when it is the OP posting who can simply add it to the question body. The FAQ you linked to states that _For answers, any post that is not an answer (should be a comment, doesn't answer the question, etc.) should be deleted._ Since your answer wasn't actually answering but only showed what you'd tried, it falls under that category. Also, you ended your answer with a question making it seem like even less of an answer than it actually was. You have made it much, much better now." CreationDate="2015-02-07T15:26:00.363" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5061" PostId="3392" Score="0" Text="I think you're interpreting &quot;does not answer&quot; in a strange way. I read it as something like &quot;aims at something other than answering the question&quot;, not &quot; is not a perfect answer&quot;. If somebody else had made that progress, should they have posted it as a comment? Regarding going double for the OP, see A of my edit above." CreationDate="2015-02-07T15:35:51.743" UserId="79064" />
  <row Id="5062" PostId="3392" Score="3" Text="@AntonGeraschenko no, &quot;not an answer&quot; applies to anything that's not answering the question. Including work in progress. Unless your snippet actually did what you wanted it to do in which case it is indeed an answer. Also, since you ended your answer with a question, that made it look even less of an answer than it actually was. As for your A edit, I'm afraid most of them don't stand. Users look for answers in the _answer_, why would they be distracted by info in the question? Ideally, the answer you receive will include all information or, you can post a full answer yourself once you have it." CreationDate="2015-02-07T16:27:00.657" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5063" PostId="3380" Score="1" Text="Well, is repeating the *very same information* hours after without pitting its own solution to the problem. All sites remove those kind of answers that just repeat someone else words, why we shouldn't?" CreationDate="2015-02-09T02:06:07.280" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="5064" PostId="3384" Score="0" Text="This is precisely why we shouldn't allow this. Nobody is really qualified to do accurate benchmarking nor has the time to actually do it." CreationDate="2015-02-09T02:07:14.663" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="5065" PostId="3382" Score="0" Text="Through, you think you don't add anything new, you are actually giving a more succinct explanation to what's being done by the code, unlike Johannes which only gives OP the fish. And I don't think you are &quot;comparing&quot;, but further expanding a single answer (since editing might not be adequate)" CreationDate="2015-02-09T02:09:09.597" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="5066" PostId="3397" Score="0" Text="If there is a new solution in the answer, that others have not provided yet, **that** should have focus (at the top of the answer e.g.) as **that** solves the OPs problem, and therefore might help others, who have found the post, directly. Such an answer should IMO always be acceptable, whatever other detail you provide (speed comparison or not). But I agree on the limited value of regurgitating (and disagree with the need to have backup answers copying data in advance as Shog9 point 2 seems to suggest)." CreationDate="2015-02-09T02:55:57.917" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="5067" PostId="3397" Score="0" Text="And maybe I should just copy your comment on Shog9's answer there in case you decide to delete it ;-)" CreationDate="2015-02-09T03:00:15.820" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="5068" PostId="3380" Score="0" Text="See edit, @Braiam." CreationDate="2015-02-09T05:01:00.730" UserId="5973" />
  <row Id="5069" PostId="3397" Score="0" Text="See my edit, @Anthon - I wasn't actually suggesting that other answers *would be* deleted." CreationDate="2015-02-09T05:01:36.223" UserId="5973" />
  <row Id="5070" PostId="3399" Score="1" Text="That's an excellent way to describe it 8-)" CreationDate="2015-02-09T12:52:24.553" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="5071" PostId="3396" Score="0" Text="Regarding &quot;need to elaborate on unclear&quot; one purpose of requiring elaboration is to try to get more information from the OP and/or demonstrate to others what it is about the post that you don't get. It's about not assuming because the _voters_ don't understand the post that it must be the case that the post itself doesn't make sense. I'll also point out that laziness and inexperience often look very similar. In this case, it seems the OP's command of the English language was too poor for this forum in which case it probably took a lot of effort just to get a semi-coherent sentence up there." CreationDate="2015-02-09T14:15:22.177" UserId="34520" />
  <row Id="5072" PostId="3396" Score="0" Text="Regarding &quot;I think setting a higher bar results in an all round better site.&quot; I agree but the bar doesn't need to be set higher just for the askers, it should also be set somewhat high for people answering as well. I'm basically saying votes to close shouldn't be given out like water." CreationDate="2015-02-09T14:17:34.667" UserId="34520" />
  <row Id="5073" PostId="3396" Score="0" Text="I'm also not saying that we shouldn't edit posts. I think editing poorly worded posts when they get popular would solve the broken windows concern. Also, lazy questions are rarely interesting enough to get popular anyways." CreationDate="2015-02-09T14:19:36.247" UserId="34520" />
  <row Id="5074" PostId="3396" Score="0" Text="WRT people with poor English skills, I think the baby does get thrown out with the bathwater sometimes.  But what to do about that that? Note that sometimes those people indicate their issue.  Maybe I was being a little Devil's advocate above, but part of my change of heart about requiring an initial comment has come from moderating on another exchange, where I can (and do) close questions by fiat everyday.  Many of them I do leave a comment, but many of them I don't -- there are certain questions that just don't deserve the benefit of any doubt..." CreationDate="2015-02-09T14:39:39.107" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="5075" PostId="3396" Score="0" Text="...I don't have time to waste on those and I don't think anyone should either.  If they want to come back and fix their mess, great -- that invitation is explicit in the banner.  That's what I meant by maintaining a &quot;high&quot; (aka, reasonable) bar.  We have to have a *reason* to close something, and that reason is given a decent explanation in the banner too.  It's spelled out already and often simply doesn't merit further explanation." CreationDate="2015-02-09T14:42:00.970" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="5076" PostId="3380" Score="0" Text="Sorry, but that just doesn't scale. If I was bastard enough, I would submit a comparative answer of all solutions in any question, just to prove the point that such answers shouldn't be accepted." CreationDate="2015-02-09T14:43:54.430" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="5078" PostId="3380" Score="1" Text="@Braiam it's odd, my first thought at seeing your &quot;if I was…&quot; [should that be *were*?] is &quot;please do.&quot;" CreationDate="2015-02-09T16:18:22.880" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="5079" PostId="3380" Score="0" Text="@derobert maybe. D:" CreationDate="2015-02-09T17:03:23.397" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="5080" PostId="3380" Score="2" Text="[If you're feeling froggy...](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/7008/why-isnt-there-a-way-to-consolidate-answers/7011#7011) @Braiam" CreationDate="2015-02-09T17:49:02.070" UserId="5973" />
  <row Id="5081" PostId="3398" Score="0" Text="[Yeeha!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fWvIiJV2lU)" CreationDate="2015-02-09T17:56:46.573" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="5082" PostId="3399" Score="8" Text="Happiest day of my life " CreationDate="2015-02-09T18:11:26.250" UserId="46717" />
  <row Id="5083" PostId="3399" Score="0" Text="As was mine back when I got it on AU. :D" CreationDate="2015-02-09T18:12:58.000" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="5084" PostId="3385" Score="9" Text="@Ramesh: it's an acronym and I find it rather amusing how you try to put this up as a straw man argument. I think Anton was very clear in his intentions and I can **fully** understand and acknowledge the use of the acronym. It doesn't exactly help his point, but it conveys the level of frustration quite clearly. Maybe, all parties should engage in a chat ... assuming no one refuses that approach. Still: some high rep users are very rude and different SE sites are more or less welcoming. However, I never found Unix.SE unwelcoming. But then I joined it earlier than Anton." CreationDate="2015-02-09T20:26:48.497" UserId="5462" />
  <row Id="5085" PostId="3384" Score="0" Text="*no time is wasted for forking* - a fork isn't always a waste, though - especially when chained in a single pipeline. You have to consider that calling `grep` three times means more than just having to call it - it also means you get 3 `grep`s processing the same stream concurrently. Whether or not that is useful depends mostly on whether or not there is enough data to justify it - you only have to fork the three times at the beginning after all. And - especially when the lines get very long - resolving all of those optional * gets pretty expensive." CreationDate="2015-02-10T09:42:09.047" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="5086" PostId="3398" Score="0" Text="I think this one is a bit sardonic.  That's okay.  I thought it was a lot longer than a week. @jasonwryan That is a Rollins thing I had never seen before -- you had me *very* frightened for a few seconds." CreationDate="2015-02-10T12:50:13.160" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="5087" PostId="3398" Score="0" Text="@goldilocks My work here is done..." CreationDate="2015-02-10T16:14:01.050" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="5088" PostId="3399" Score="7" Text="I think the appropriate term is &quot;consolation prize&quot;." CreationDate="2015-02-11T17:50:59.543" UserId="23408" />
  <row Id="5089" PostId="3261" Score="0" Text="@terdon: [Start running.](http://meta.superuser.com/a/8682/354511)" CreationDate="2015-02-11T18:04:44.763" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="5090" PostId="3398" Score="0" Text="haha whoever made that badge is hilarious. Just trying to bring a bit of humor to lighten things up, I'm sure." CreationDate="2015-02-12T05:14:24.050" UserId="87728" />
  <row Id="5091" PostId="3399" Score="1" Text="You're computer's bricked? Have a badge." CreationDate="2015-02-12T05:15:27.323" UserId="87728" />
  <row Id="5092" PostId="3385" Score="2" Text="Thanks for giving this feedback, as it's very hard to collect this kind of information." CreationDate="2015-02-12T09:38:18.323" UserId="63775" />
  <row Id="5093" PostId="3402" Score="2" Text="See [Offering actual money as a bounty?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/25615/offering-actual-money-as-a-bounty) on the main meta" CreationDate="2015-02-12T15:15:45.527" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="5094" PostId="3403" Score="2" Text="You mean it is not true that every rep point gets you one USD, and every time you reach a multiple of 25K reputation you get a check in the mail? Darn, I just thought my check was taking a bit in the mail from the US, of course I already spent the money..." CreationDate="2015-02-12T18:21:24.233" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="5095" PostId="3403" Score="3" Text="@Anthon shhhhhh! No one under 10k rep is supposed to know that!" CreationDate="2015-02-12T18:34:54.630" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5096" PostId="3384" Score="0" Text="Actually, I was just thinking about this again *(dunno if you care to)* but I wonder if you ran those tests on a more typical system if the results wouldn't come out differently. I wouldn't think the atom processor could offer much in the way of concurrency, but on my six-core the two ways are about even at around [12]00 lines of average length, but as soon as the lines get long or the line count approaches the 1000s the 3-`grep` chain begins to pull ahead at an exponential rate." CreationDate="2015-02-13T03:48:44.593" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="5097" PostId="3402" Score="0" Text="You want an actual contracting site ([e.g.](https://www.elance.com/p/lpg/programming/programmers-hire)).  They hold the money in escrow until you get what you asked for, etc." CreationDate="2015-02-13T18:36:31.023" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="5098" PostId="3402" Score="0" Text="@goldilocks - I have tried `guru.com` and `freelancer.com`, but these sites work completely differently." CreationDate="2015-02-13T19:06:33.157" UserId="43007" />
  <row Id="5099" PostId="3398" Score="0" Text="If it is any additional consolation I managed to get a tumbleweed badge myself today. The [question](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/183612/remove-residue-message-on-desktop) was posted on a sunday ..." CreationDate="2015-02-15T13:04:13.007" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="5100" PostId="3398" Score="1" Text="If you delete your question after downvotes, there's a badge for that, too. I see it as a &quot;badge for everything&quot; policy." CreationDate="2015-02-15T19:33:45.437" UserId="38889" />
  <row Id="5101" PostId="3313" Score="4" Text="The &quot;m&quot; letter is ugly." CreationDate="2015-02-16T06:51:49.710" UserId="24379" />
  <row Id="5102" PostId="3344" Score="0" Text="A 1px border is needed according to the rules." CreationDate="2015-02-16T06:53:31.630" UserId="24379" />
  <row Id="5103" PostId="3313" Score="4" Text="@DeerHunter Bram doesn't strike me as someone who obsesses over branding and logos..." CreationDate="2015-02-16T06:54:06.027" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="5105" PostId="3405" Score="0" Text="Are you maybe selectively accepting cookies? If so, make sure you're not blocking any StackExchange ones." CreationDate="2015-02-17T20:23:50.407" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="5106" PostId="3405" Score="0" Text="Do you get any errors on [this page](http://chat.stackexchange.com/help)? You can try a [global logout](http://stackexchange.com/users/logout/global) and see if that helps at all" CreationDate="2015-02-17T20:31:34.797" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="5107" PostId="3405" Score="0" Text="@MichaelMrozek Your `this page` does not recognize me either, even after I follow its prompts and login again via stack exchange, then visit your `this page` link again and find the same problem.  I will need to wait to try global logout until later.  I have lots of open things now that need to stay open." CreationDate="2015-02-17T21:49:53.710" UserId="92670" />
  <row Id="5108" PostId="3405" Score="0" Text="@derobert I use the site incognito in firefox, which may have some impact on cookies.  But this does not cause stack overflow to keep me out of chat.  This problem is localized to unix.stackexchange, I think." CreationDate="2015-02-17T21:51:43.327" UserId="92670" />
  <row Id="5109" PostId="3405" Score="0" Text="@CodeMed I believe [so] has its own chat server. Does it work on some other chat.SE, like say cooking or Ubuntu?" CreationDate="2015-02-17T21:54:37.537" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="5110" PostId="3405" Score="0" Text="The test page shouldn't have required you to login, it just checks for common chat login problems" CreationDate="2015-02-17T21:55:56.270" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="5111" PostId="3405" Score="1" Text="Probably related: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/249673/cant-login-to-sede" CreationDate="2015-02-17T23:07:45.840" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="5112" PostId="3405" Score="0" Text="@muru I am not sure how that link is related.  This is a problem 100% of the time, so I don't see how it could be related to site maintenance.  I added a note to my OP indicating that I am using CentOS 7 and firefox.  Not sure if that combination contributes to the problem." CreationDate="2015-02-18T04:26:20.143" UserId="92670" />
  <row Id="5113" PostId="3405" Score="0" Text="Is it fixed now? It looks like you were on chat last night" CreationDate="2015-02-18T14:51:08.970" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="5114" PostId="3405" Score="0" Text="@MichaelMrozek No it is not fixed.  No I was not in unix.stackexchange chat last nite.  What happens is that someone asks to continue the discussion in chat, so the thread is placed in chat, but I CANNOT log into chat even though I am logged into unix.stackexchange, so I create a chat room at stack overflow and invite the person to have the conversation over there, where the chat server actually works.  If you can fix the problem here, I would be happy to have the conversations on this site instead of some other site. I have NEVER been able to log into unix.stackexchange chat.  I use CentOS 7." CreationDate="2015-02-18T18:46:03.653" UserId="92670" />
  <row Id="5115" PostId="3405" Score="0" Text="Oh, I see. It wrongly shows you as active last night because a comment thread you were in got imported into chat. I'm not sure what the problem could be, but you tagged this [bug] so someone from stack exchange should notice it" CreationDate="2015-02-18T19:09:38.870" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="5116" PostId="3385" Score="2" Text="Hi Anton. FWIW, I think in general that a partial answer is fine, but if you are asking for further feedback as part of that partial answer, it is likely better as part of the question. Don't let one bad experience put you off. There are all sorts of people here, and everyone has their own take on how things should work. If you want to talk to us, hop on chat. There are usually a few people there, mostly high rep users. And the occasional moderator. And for the record, this site is generally friendly and helpful. Maybe you caught us on a bad day - it happens." CreationDate="2015-02-20T16:09:06.777" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="5117" PostId="3405" Score="0" Text="I sometimes have trouble getting logged in properly to chat. I find it *usually* clears up after another one or two tries, and I tend to have better luck going to [stackexchange.com](http://stackexchange.com/) and logging in manually there. Might be worth trying." CreationDate="2015-02-20T23:13:30.367" UserId="2465" />
  <row Id="5118" PostId="3405" Score="0" Text="@MichaelKjörling Thank you.  I just tried that again, and then tried to enter the unix.stackexchange after clicking your link logged me into stackexchange.com, but still I cannot participate in unix.stackexchange chat.  This might be an issue of the site not being tested on a CentOS7/Firefox installation, but that is just a theory." CreationDate="2015-02-20T23:16:57.707" UserId="92670" />
  <row Id="5119" PostId="3405" Score="0" Text="FWIW, I run Firefox on Debian 7." CreationDate="2015-02-20T23:26:04.527" UserId="2465" />
  <row Id="5120" PostId="3405" Score="0" Text="I just revised the NOTE in my OP to report attempts to get it to work on Windows 7.  This is therefore not localized to CentOS or Firefox." CreationDate="2015-02-21T01:10:01.780" UserId="92670" />
  <row Id="5121" PostId="3406" Score="1" Text="No, it is a duplicate. The problem arose when OP originally posted what they tried as a partial answer, and ended that answer with a question as well. Somebody flagged that answer, it got a canned comment, the FAQ came into play, and so on. The answer got deleted in due time, and later OP merged it in to the question. OP is satisfied with the duplicate, as they indicated in a comment on my answer." CreationDate="2015-02-21T23:49:40.880" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="5122" PostId="3405" Score="1" Text="Quick update - CodeMed also cannot access a chat room off Security Stack Exchange" CreationDate="2015-02-26T20:55:50.597" UserId="3046" />
  <row Id="5123" PostId="3311" Score="0" Text="It would be nice if the ratio of the ads that we want to see (those below) to those that have no interest to the community at all (most of the others) was adjusted in our favour: currently it seems about 1:10..." CreationDate="2015-02-28T06:41:28.403" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="5124" PostId="3405" Score="0" Text="Curious, have you tried on a different network/ISP? Since you've tried two different operating systems, that'd seem like the next thing that could be wrong on your side. (Not sure where you are, but various ISPs have decided tampering with data in transit to e.g., insert ads or tracking is acceptable behvaior. Something like that could be going on and breaking something.)" CreationDate="2015-02-28T19:13:02.703" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="5125" PostId="3405" Score="0" Text="Are you using &quot;HTTPS everywhere&quot;?" CreationDate="2015-02-28T20:03:07.433" UserId="22565" />
  <row Id="5126" PostId="3408" Score="0" Text="This is an adaption of [Community Promotion Ads - 2015](http://meta.askubuntu.com/a/12383)." CreationDate="2015-03-01T13:24:53.157" UserId="9454" />
  <row Id="5127" PostId="3405" Score="0" Text="@StéphaneChazelas I do not use HTTPS.  I just click on links to get into chat, with the content of the hyperlink generated by the stackexchange site.  I added HTTPS right now, and it still will not let me log in." CreationDate="2015-03-02T19:34:34.707" UserId="92670" />
  <row Id="5128" PostId="3405" Score="0" Text="@derobert I have not tried a different network or ISP.  I am using one of the major American internet providers.  A brand name ISP whose name most Americans have heard of.  If stackexchange does not support it, they are blocking a large percentage of potential chat users.  Remember that I can use stackoverflow chat successfully." CreationDate="2015-03-02T19:36:56.597" UserId="92670" />
  <row Id="5129" PostId="3405" Score="0" Text="@CodeMed I suggest you should still test the function from a different network and/or ISP. This is not so likely to identify problems with your ISP (though it may) as it is to identify problems with your local network. If you have a cellular hotspot, and one of your problem devices has a WiFi interface, I'd suggest using that as an alternate test. Though I personally dislike the idea, you could also try via a local coffee shop's WiFi network." CreationDate="2015-03-03T19:16:27.403" UserId="5803" />
  <row Id="5130" PostId="3405" Score="0" Text="If you have a virtualization platform available, I'd also suggest setting up a VM with a fully-default install of an OS and browser combination you're having trouble with. Make sure the virtual NIC is configured to &quot;bridged mode&quot; (VirtualBox) or similar. If you have problems with the VM in a fully-default configuration, then there's something between you and the web that's causing the issue. If the VM doesn't have problems in a default configuration, gradually configure the VM so that the OS &amp; browser match your problem system - testing after each change - until it breaks." CreationDate="2015-03-03T19:20:24.097" UserId="5803" />
  <row Id="5131" PostId="3282" Score="3" Text="_&quot;the problem must be on your side, because I don't get these problems anywhere else&quot;_ Nonsense logic." CreationDate="2015-03-04T12:35:40.817" UserId="66358" />
  <row Id="5132" PostId="3409" Score="0" Text="Related: http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/q/3096/5589" CreationDate="2015-03-04T12:54:20.943" UserId="5589" />
  <row Id="5133" PostId="3412" Score="0" Text="Ah, I see your point.  Thanks for clarifying." CreationDate="2015-03-05T04:26:55.907" UserId="1822" />
  <row Id="5134" PostId="3282" Score="0" Text="@MartinVegter You're blocking legitimate traffic, and that (what you're doing) is how.  You might understand your rules, but you don't understand how those rules might block legitimate traffic." CreationDate="2015-03-06T13:20:29.453" UserDisplayName="user13757" />
  <row Id="5135" PostId="3408" Score="1" Text="&quot;The image that you create must be 220 x 250 pixels&quot;..." CreationDate="2015-03-08T02:07:58.213" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="5136" PostId="3408" Score="0" Text="@jasonwryan: Not really. See [Community Promotion Ads - 2014](http://meta.apple.stackexchange.com/a/1884)." CreationDate="2015-03-08T09:59:55.503" UserId="9454" />
  <row Id="5137" PostId="3415" Score="1" Text="You could either flag this for reopening, or hop into the chat room - there is usually a mod or two monitoring it. In any case, one should be able to write a spec file for this based on the Debian packaging, assuming the build and runtime dependencies are also available on Fedora. Actually, before spending time on this - I suggest you ping the OP (if he is paying attention) and ask him if he still cares. It is such a specialist question it is unclear if anyone else would care." CreationDate="2015-03-08T16:38:25.557" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="5138" PostId="3416" Score="0" Text="Thanks! I just have to work out one dependcy without breaking things, then I should be able to sort out a nice list of instructions on how to build it :)" CreationDate="2015-03-09T13:13:28.177" UserId="52956" />
  <row Id="5139" PostId="3410" Score="0" Text="now, to check out what questions are incorrectly tagged." CreationDate="2015-03-09T14:24:46.013" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="5140" PostId="3406" Score="1" Text="The U&amp;L review queues tend to be rather small. Right now, they are practically empty. (Which makes it difficult to earn the reviewer badges around these parts.)" CreationDate="2015-03-09T15:27:43.500" UserId="2465" />
  <row Id="5141" PostId="3418" Score="0" Text="In that case I won't look further. As he is not on chat, I'll leave it at that and not go hunting to ask him where the cross-post is." CreationDate="2015-03-10T16:44:08.340" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="5142" PostId="3419" Score="1" Text="Reading a book intended to teach a person how to use the Unix command line is a good way to get started. Some books on starting with Linux want to embrace the command line, and some want to avoid it. Both kinds of books have their place, but if you get the opposite kind from what you were looking for, you will be severely disappointed. Using man pages is not really a great way to get started. How would a newbie know to type `man grep` if they didn't know about the `grep` command in the first place? The man page is useful if you want to do something and you know `grep` can do something similar." CreationDate="2015-03-13T08:51:57.160" UserId="68601" />
  <row Id="5143" PostId="3421" Score="5" Text="Can someone from the future please barge into the past and make sure this problem doesn't get created in the first place?" CreationDate="2015-03-14T13:11:10.280" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="5144" PostId="3423" Score="0" Text="I'm not suggesting changing our policy, just the close reason. I want to avoid ending up with all the cross-posts closed. If it is just flagged for mod attention, we can deal with it manually and decide which one should remain open. As for replacing it with another reason, how about [this one](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/a/1431/22222)?" CreationDate="2015-03-14T14:13:54.830" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5145" PostId="3423" Score="0" Text="@terdon How often do we end up with all the copies closed? I've done a lot of closing and I don't remember it happening on my watch. Do we use the “cross-post” reason more often than “learning materials”?" CreationDate="2015-03-14T14:17:05.533" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="5146" PostId="3423" Score="0" Text="I guess it also depends on how quick the moderators respond, it seems we're reasonably well staffed now. Also, could still leave a comment pointing to the other copies of the question—that'll warn anyone contemplating answering that it's a cross-post." CreationDate="2015-03-14T14:21:30.360" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="5147" PostId="3423" Score="0" Text="@Gilles I'm trying to get some hard data from SEDE now. My impression is that yes, the cross-posted reason is used _way_ more than learning materials." CreationDate="2015-03-14T14:23:11.707" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5148" PostId="3423" Score="0" Text="@derobert yes, we're now at ~2h average response time for flags. Down from several days when poor Michael was shouldering most of the weight." CreationDate="2015-03-14T14:24:05.723" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5149" PostId="3421" Score="1" Text="+1 for the title. But, actually, there were a number of different terminators. Though most of them were played by You Know Who..." CreationDate="2015-03-14T14:51:14.540" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="5150" PostId="3423" Score="2" Text="I was going to answer, but this answer basically covers it all. The &quot;flag/coordinate with mods/keep exactly one open&quot; scheme proposed in the question here is exactly how it did work before, and by the time we had negotiated which version would stay open, all of them would have multiple answers posted and we'd end up needing to migrate/merge/delete duplicates to get all the information in one place. This question seems to buy into the &quot;closing is irreversible&quot; theory that new users so often subscribe to. If (and I doubt this is common) all instances get closed, we can always reopen one" CreationDate="2015-03-14T20:08:12.773" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="5156" PostId="3424" Score="1" Text="chilling.​​​​​​" CreationDate="2015-03-15T02:23:19.563" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="5157" PostId="3421" Score="3" Text="How long do those terminator tools exist; is the &quot;danger&quot; of an influx really to expect? Or wouldn't it rather be worse to have an **inflation of tags**? (The latter is something I wouldn't want to see fostered!) Currently, I read, we have 22 (0.03654%) of the 60k+ questions related to those terminators; is that amount significant? And didn't anyone of those posters describe it in their questions so that it's clear what they mean? - Generally, tags should preferably be abstract ('emulator', 'terminal'), and not be describing each existing variant on the market by it's artifical name." CreationDate="2015-03-16T04:24:13.907" UserId="102438" />
  <row Id="5158" PostId="3422" Score="0" Text="I find having the fact that &quot;cross posting&quot; has its own section on the &quot;What can I ask about&quot; here page not exactly burying it." CreationDate="2015-03-16T06:50:37.023" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="5159" PostId="3421" Score="0" Text="@Janis having a tag for two entirely separated things is never acceptable, in any circumstances, and that should be obvious to people that use the site, that tag should unambiguously form a category. In any case, the tag is being misused, since the tag wiki says that is for questions about jessies.org java-based terminator but most questions are for GNOME terminator." CreationDate="2015-03-16T11:00:01.157" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="5160" PostId="3427" Score="1" Text="That's a pretty good idea but I think it would be better as a feature request on the main meta. You're not really answering the question here which is about whether we should remove that specific close reason given that we're the only site on the network to have it." CreationDate="2015-03-16T12:24:49.373" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5161" PostId="3424" Score="5" Text="I just don't see asking on multiple sites as such awful behavior. I believe that in most cases, cross-posting is an honest attempt to get an answer. People don't know we frown on it and should be given the benefit of the doubt. I have very often left comments asking the OP not to cross-post which resulted in the voluntary deletion of the other post. I see nothing wrong with posting a question on linuxquestions and the arch forums at the same time. On the contrary, since I will post the answer from one to the other, both communities benefit." CreationDate="2015-03-16T12:27:56.043" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5162" PostId="3424" Score="3" Text="I also don't buy that cross-posted Qs are necessarily bad. They should be analyzed on a case by case basis and, if the question is good, one of them should be kept. At the moment, people just tend to vote to close without giving the OP the chance to choose which of the SE sites they want to remain on. If cross-posting bothers us so much, we can always downvote, leave comments, flag etc. Why close directly?" CreationDate="2015-03-16T12:30:23.743" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5163" PostId="3424" Score="6" Text="@terdon We will have to disagree about whether or not cross posting is selfish; you clearly have a more optimistic view of the issue. My real concern is that, in moving it to flagging, you essentially deprive the community of the ability to close--it is a shift in power from the many (well, those with the rep, anyway) to the few *with no demonstrable benefit* (other than precedent on other sites, which is another way of saying other communities, ie., not ours)." CreationDate="2015-03-16T16:20:02.787" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="5164" PostId="3422" Score="0" Text="The main problem is that contrary to usenet, SE does **not** support cross-posting. What you're talking about here in usenet terminology is _multi-post_, copies of the same question being posted independently to different sites, and not linked together. Having said that, I'm not sure cross-posting (same question and answers shown on different sites) would work well on SE (cross-posting is often frowned upon on usenet as well (not as much as multi-posting))" CreationDate="2015-03-17T11:33:49.160" UserId="22565" />
  <row Id="5165" PostId="3423" Score="0" Text="@MichaelMrozek now that we have more active mods, the flag handling speed is far faster than it was the last time this close reason was not available. Also, there's no reason not to close as &quot;off topic &gt; other &gt; cross-posted&quot;. If this is all handled by the community, the Q is likely to never be reopened even if all others are closed since i) the OP is unlikely to edit and ii) the mods won't be aware of it. I am not suggesting that cross-posts should be left alone, only that they don't need their own close reason when a custom one will do." CreationDate="2015-03-17T15:21:58.607" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5166" PostId="3424" Score="0" Text="Yes, that last is a very good point. However, the community can still close cross-posts by choosing a custom reason: &quot;off topic &gt; other &gt; cross-posted&quot;. I have no intention of consolidating more power in my power-hungry hands (and yes, I know you were not accusing me of doing so :), the community can still close these. I just don't feel that a dedicated close reason is that useful. Also, note that this is exactly how it was done before right here, in this community. The CP close reason is quite new and we were happily closing CP posts before it." CreationDate="2015-03-17T15:24:47.990" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5167" PostId="3423" Score="0" Text="@terdon The slowdown isn't a mod here noticing the flag, it's contacting mods on the other sites to figure out which site is going to keep the question. I don't follow why you want to eliminate the dedicated close reason but still encourage people to close all the same questions with a custom reason; what's the difference, other than forcing people to type more?" CreationDate="2015-03-17T15:37:05.780" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="5168" PostId="3423" Score="0" Text="@MichaelMrozek contacting the mods is quite quick in my (admittedly limited) experience. I just use the TL and ping them. I want to eliminate it to avoid a knee-jerk response. I would like new users to be educated, not chastised for something they likely didn't know they shouldn't do. I don't think that CPs are common enough to merit their own close reason, I'd rather replace it with a [generic off topic one](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/a/1431/)." CreationDate="2015-03-17T15:51:09.130" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5169" PostId="3423" Score="3" Text="@terdon Why do you keep saying that question closure is &quot;chastising&quot; them? We're closing the question because it's cross-posted, we're not yelling at them; the close message is pretty educational as it is. And I'm pretty sure cross-posts are way more common than questions that are completely off-topic; the rare times we do get non-Linux questions they tend to be about Windows and we push them to SU anyway. I don't really care if there's a dedicated close reason or not, but if we're going to keep closing cross-posted questions then I completely don't understand the reason to not have it" CreationDate="2015-03-17T16:45:51.350" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="5170" PostId="3423" Score="1" Text="@MichaelMrozek Sorry, that's not what I meant. No, closing as such is not chastising. It's the closing without giving the OP the chance to choose which one remains that I want to avoid. I feel that this happens too quickly now and it should take a bit more time to give the OP the chance to respond. I have often seen questions that I'd like to see remain here closed as cross-posted. Were this reason not available, I think that the process would have been slower and a more fine-grained control would be possible. It looks like I'm alone on this though so I won't press it :)" CreationDate="2015-03-17T16:51:22.700" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5171" PostId="3424" Score="0" Text="@terdon Fair enough. I feel that it is useful and, given we are only going to see an increase in cross posting, I like the fact that we have a dedicated close reason; it does make community moderation that little bit easier." CreationDate="2015-03-17T17:07:11.433" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="5172" PostId="3427" Score="2" Text="MSE: [Can we automate detection of cross-posting?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/105847/can-we-automate-detection-of-cross-posting)" CreationDate="2015-03-17T17:43:33.260" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="5173" PostId="3428" Score="0" Text="Thank you for the analysis. It would nonetheless be a good idea to make the tag name unambiguous before the jessies implementation becomes more popular. Based on your data, I conclude that we should rename the tag to [tag:gnome-terminator]." CreationDate="2015-03-17T21:20:02.037" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="5175" PostId="3429" Score="6" Text="There is too much empty space between questions to my taste. It comes from avatars." CreationDate="2015-03-17T22:11:28.677" UserId="80886" />
  <row Id="5176" PostId="3428" Score="0" Text="@Gilles the only problem with that is that gnome-terminator is called `terminator` in the Debian and RH ecosystems' repositories. Hell, I've been using it as my default emulator for years and I didn't know it was also called gnome-terminator. I very much doubt that people would think to tag as `gnome-terminator`. I would be more inclined to make gnome-terminator a synonym than renaming the tag. I don't feel particularly strongly about it though." CreationDate="2015-03-17T22:23:48.700" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5177" PostId="3430" Score="0" Text="Good catch. This will be fixed in the next build." CreationDate="2015-03-17T22:41:19.233" UserId="100625" />
  <row Id="5178" PostId="3428" Score="0" Text="I don't see the problem. I've never thought of screen as being called [tag:gnu-screen], and I keep thinking that [tag:windows] should be about windows, not about Windows, yet these aren't bad tag names. If the tag was renamed, you'd type `terminator` and see [tag:gnome-terminator] pop up, so the tag name is trivially discoverable." CreationDate="2015-03-17T23:12:53.077" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="5179" PostId="3429" Score="0" Text="Feels weird, probably that I'm not used to it." CreationDate="2015-03-17T23:18:04.900" UserId="79979" />
  <row Id="5180" PostId="3429" Score="1" Text="The question and answer scores looks different—smaller maybe? Probably intentional, I guess?" CreationDate="2015-03-17T23:23:44.743" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="5181" PostId="800" Score="0" Text="Unfortunately [the old serif font is back](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/3429/site-design-updates)." CreationDate="2015-03-18T00:29:19.880" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="5183" PostId="3432" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the details. Here are a couple notes: I'll look into changing the captcha, error, and 404 pages. The text in the badges is now larger. The highlight color in the Favorite tagged questions has been dulled a bit. The question title font is still Liberation Serif. Will fix code spoiler background color on Meta." CreationDate="2015-03-18T01:01:43.747" UserId="100625" />
  <row Id="5184" PostId="800" Score="0" Text="@Gilles Sorry, I'm not sure I understand. Liberation Serif was the font in the question title before the conversion and it's the font now. Maybe I'm missing something?" CreationDate="2015-03-18T01:07:10.613" UserId="100625" />
  <row Id="5185" PostId="800" Score="1" Text="@KurtisBeavers I don't remember the history of title font changes, but IIRC at some point we did have a better title font. Then it went back to the current style of serif font that's fine for a non-technical site but looks ugly when used to typeset a mixture of English and code. I think you've turned off the `fi` ligature, which is on the right track (but more importantly, please turn off double quote rewriting!). But really this site needs a title font that's suitable for bits of code, like what the Trilogy had, I think, up to its latest redesign." CreationDate="2015-03-18T01:17:27.853" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="5186" PostId="800" Score="0" Text="@gilles Personally, I'd be happy to change the title font. Let me double check with a few others to be sure there's not a reason it is like it is now." CreationDate="2015-03-18T01:24:56.933" UserId="100625" />
  <row Id="5187" PostId="3433" Score="0" Text="This should be fixed in the production server build." CreationDate="2015-03-18T01:32:40.660" UserId="100625" />
  <row Id="5188" PostId="3428" Score="0" Text="As Gilles pointed out, we should be prepared before the problem *appears*. &quot;An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure&quot;, it would be more of a hassle to &quot;fix&quot; mistagged questions instead of just doing it right from the start." CreationDate="2015-03-18T01:56:10.193" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="5189" PostId="3432" Score="1" Text="+1 for the question titles. If you are not on a retina screen, they are painfully (literally) small..." CreationDate="2015-03-18T06:01:59.613" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="5190" PostId="3427" Score="0" Text="@MichaelMrozek thanks for the link, it looks like the idea is not new, but a demo implementation might be." CreationDate="2015-03-18T06:07:44.093" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="5191" PostId="3432" Score="0" Text="@KurtisBeavers Thanks for the prompt reaction! Note that the spoiler issue was on main, not on meta." CreationDate="2015-03-18T08:21:52.827" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="5192" PostId="3422" Score="0" Text="I think that cross-posting, or &quot;multiposting&quot; as @StéphaneChazelas puts it, is not a bad thing in general. Different subs have different approaches, and it's hard to know how the community is going to respond before you ask the question. As you say `askubuntu`, `unix`, and `superuser` have a lot of overlap; in fact, most of these subs do, as the fields they pertain to have massive overlap. I don't think xposting should be discouraged, as it all drives traffic to SE. I find more &quot;duplicate questions&quot; in Google than I do high upvote questions." CreationDate="2015-03-18T18:26:57.950" UserId="46627" />
  <row Id="5193" PostId="3422" Score="0" Text="@JFA that's a different discussion. The SE position on cross-posting is quite clear. I'm asking whether we need a dedicated close reason or not. Mind you, I also agree that cross-posting isn't as bad as all that but that's just not what's being discussed here." CreationDate="2015-03-18T18:28:34.557" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5194" PostId="3422" Score="0" Text="In my opinion; No. I think it's a good rule as it is." CreationDate="2015-03-18T22:59:05.283" UserId="79979" />
  <row Id="5195" PostId="3439" Score="0" Text="Any ideas if that can be fixed?" CreationDate="2015-03-19T07:16:15.897" UserId="47022" />
  <row Id="5196" PostId="3439" Score="0" Text="Make the certificate match the hostname, that is either change the certificate or the name used to access the site." CreationDate="2015-03-19T07:28:30.803" UserId="57127" />
  <row Id="5197" PostId="3439" Score="0" Text="So that doubles the cost of certificates for all SO meta sites, so the solution is to go for cheaper SSL provider. Or is is possible to have a certificate that allows to match `*.*.stackexchange.com`?" CreationDate="2015-03-19T09:36:52.687" UserId="47022" />
  <row Id="5198" PostId="3439" Score="0" Text="Multiple wildcards within a single entry are not possible, but you can have multiple entries in the subject alternative section within the same certificate and each of these can use wildcards." CreationDate="2015-03-19T10:27:35.180" UserId="57127" />
  <row Id="5199" PostId="3430" Score="0" Text="Looks like this has been fixed. I don't see it, do you still see it Jason?" CreationDate="2015-03-19T15:53:50.240" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5200" PostId="3430" Score="0" Text="@terdon Yep, done :)" CreationDate="2015-03-19T18:37:41.307" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="5201" PostId="3422" Score="0" Text="I don't agree the position on multiposting is clear. I don't care what happens on other Q&amp;A sites. I don't see why a question should be closed because it was also asked on a site I don't know or care about. Many of the questions asked here have been asked on usenet before, should we close them? (I've seen questions asked here and on usenet by the same person at the same time)." CreationDate="2015-03-19T22:25:39.510" UserId="22565" />
  <row Id="5202" PostId="3422" Score="0" Text="@StéphaneChazelas personally, I agree with you 100%. I don't see cross-posting as a problem. Unfortunately, the SE network at large has a clear opinion on it. I, for one, would be very open to having a different approach here but we'd have to hash it out on meta. I was just saying that this question is about the close reason, not about the general stance on cross-posting." CreationDate="2015-03-19T22:29:15.133" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5203" PostId="3422" Score="1" Text="I can see consensus on that [crossposting/multiposting should be avoided/discouraged](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/64068) (not on unix.SE though), not on crossposts being closed. Do you have a reference on that?" CreationDate="2015-03-19T22:38:23.697" UserId="22565" />
  <row Id="5204" PostId="3422" Score="0" Text="@StéphaneChazelas no, and that's part of the reason why I think we're being overzealous with the dedicated close reason. Some of our users seem to feel very strongly about it though as evidenced by the answers here. With this discussion, I'm trying to get us to back off and wait a while so we can be sure one of the Qs remains open." CreationDate="2015-03-19T22:39:15.037" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5205" PostId="3441" Score="1" Text="Seems to be [quite a bit of disagreement](http://johnmacfarlane.net/babelmark2/?text=_http://example.com_%0A%0A_anything+http://example.com_) as to how that should render, but certainly the malformed URL is wrong at least" CreationDate="2015-03-20T02:45:30.263" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="5206" PostId="3440" Score="3" Text="This doesn't work because what is a good answer on one site might be a bad answer on another site. Furthermore it would be a major technical effort for a feature that is very rarely useful." CreationDate="2015-03-20T21:07:40.680" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="5207" PostId="3427" Score="0" Text="Making it totally impossible doesn't seem *quite* right; wouldn't that make it hard to voluntarily relocate a question to a more appropriate SE site?" CreationDate="2015-03-20T23:15:26.743" UserId="1820" />
  <row Id="5208" PostId="3443" Score="0" Text="I am sorry, but I posted this question as a tourist." CreationDate="2015-03-21T05:45:36.330" UserDisplayName="user107470" />
  <row Id="5209" PostId="3443" Score="0" Text="(I think you are missing part of your last comment because the sentence ends with &quot;And&quot;??) I don't know what you mean by &quot;tourist&quot;. If you mean something like &quot;outsider&quot; or &quot;foreigner&quot; then please don't feel that way. This site is user-generated and community-moderated. EVERYBODY who contributes usefully and respectfully is welcome." CreationDate="2015-03-21T05:52:19.040" UserId="14034" />
  <row Id="5210" PostId="3443" Score="0" Text="Sorry for my question. Pls delete it.And Thanks for your reply." CreationDate="2015-03-21T05:57:10.727" UserDisplayName="user107470" />
  <row Id="5211" PostId="3443" Score="0" Text="Is this still a problem? Can you log in now?" CreationDate="2015-03-21T12:43:04.987" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5212" PostId="3447" Score="1" Text="I can confirm that Braiam is correct. I tried this using a (shh!) sockpuppet account, asked a bogus question, migrated it to meta and could indeed edit it." CreationDate="2015-03-22T15:02:16.343" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5214" PostId="3447" Score="0" Text="Don't upvote a post to give a user a privilege. That's the one rule of voting: vote on the post, not on the user." CreationDate="2015-03-22T15:25:53.957" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="5215" PostId="3447" Score="1" Text="@gilles Acknowledged. I was only considering doing so if, and only if, the user would not be able to modify the post after the move (to temporarily work around what I would consider a bug, until that bug would be fixed, or indicated by design)" CreationDate="2015-03-22T15:32:59.693" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="5216" PostId="3447" Score="0" Text="@terdon thanks for confirming. I suspected this would work, but just wanted to be sure." CreationDate="2015-03-22T15:34:14.407" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="5217" PostId="3447" Score="0" Text="@terdon BTW your comment never showed up in my recent Inbox messages. In only did see it because I looked at Gilles comment." CreationDate="2015-03-22T16:00:34.130" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="5218" PostId="3447" Score="0" Text="That's strange. If this one doesn't either, we should let SE know." CreationDate="2015-03-22T16:11:54.920" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5219" PostId="3447" Score="0" Text="@terdon this one showed up, maybe just a glitch, I was online the whole time though." CreationDate="2015-03-22T16:13:58.330" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="5220" PostId="3447" Score="0" Text="WRT &quot;upgrade voting&quot;, I don't think there's anything wrong with exploiting a system to circumvent parts of that system you consider broken, Anthon -- *that's a hack*.  The &quot;can't comment, can answer&quot; and related issues are NOT considered bugs, and hence will never be fixed -- but if you think it is stupid/wrong (**it often is**) in certain circumstances, work around it.   The archetypal S.E. power user stance that the system is perfect, we just need to understand why it is this way is can get absurdly trite. $0.02" CreationDate="2015-03-22T18:57:08.380" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="5221" PostId="3447" Score="1" Text="To elaborate further contra @Gilles  *[that's a hack](https://stallman.org/articles/on-hacking.html)*." CreationDate="2015-03-22T19:06:30.413" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="5222" PostId="3432" Score="2" Text="@KurtisBeavers - could you please look at the issue of turning &quot;curlies&quot; back into straight quotation marks? It's weird as Hades: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/191827/alias-g-1-what-does-it-do" CreationDate="2015-03-22T20:52:05.917" UserId="24379" />
  <row Id="5223" PostId="3439" Score="0" Text="Some Background: http://nickcraver.com/blog/2013/04/23/stackoverflow-com-the-road-to-ssl/" CreationDate="2015-03-23T11:16:09.183" UserId="32138" />
  <row Id="5224" PostId="3439" Score="0" Text="@techtonik - it isn't just cost. It is also about management. Most SE sites fall under a single `*.stackexchange.com` cert. with `meta.*.stackexchange.com` would be well over 100 certificates. That's a significant cost in managing them. Multiple wildcards are _technically_ possible (but due to past abuse, no provider will do them)." CreationDate="2015-03-23T11:18:50.763" UserId="32138" />
  <row Id="5225" PostId="3439" Score="0" Text="@Oded:   Multiple wildcards in a single name are not supported by current browsers. And [RFC6125](https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6125#page-27) explicitly restricts wildcards to the leftmost label and thus effectively prohibits multiple wildcard inside a single entry too (there is only a single leftmost label)." CreationDate="2015-03-23T11:42:00.717" UserId="57127" />
  <row Id="5226" PostId="3429" Score="0" Text="@kurtis-beavers Any word on fixing the regressions?" CreationDate="2015-03-24T02:00:01.140" UserId="3169" />
  <row Id="5227" PostId="3436" Score="0" Text="Downvote because you like the dots, or downvote because you're not seeing them?" CreationDate="2015-03-24T02:01:01.420" UserId="3169" />
  <row Id="5228" PostId="3436" Score="0" Text="There was a dot pattern in the background in the last version of the site." CreationDate="2015-03-24T02:07:59.223" UserId="100625" />
  <row Id="5229" PostId="3437" Score="0" Text="The heading font is the same font as it was before the site conversion. We can look into a new one." CreationDate="2015-03-24T02:09:08.387" UserId="100625" />
  <row Id="5230" PostId="3432" Score="0" Text="@DeerHunter I'll look into it. I'm pretty sure it's a global issue and doesn't have anything to do with the recent site updates." CreationDate="2015-03-24T02:10:25.493" UserId="100625" />
  <row Id="5231" PostId="3439" Score="0" Text="@Oded, so the problem is on the side of certificate agency that doesn't provide API to issue certificates automatically? I don't believe that SO doesn't use some tools like Ansible to automate certificate management on their side." CreationDate="2015-03-24T03:41:15.743" UserId="47022" />
  <row Id="5232" PostId="3432" Score="3" Text="@KurtisBeavers It is a multi-site issue, but one that can't be solved globally. On sites with “human” content only, turning `&quot;stuff&quot;` into `“stuff”` is sensible. On sites like [unix.se] with bits of programs meant for computers, `&quot;stuff&quot;` is not at all the same thing as `“stuff”`." CreationDate="2015-03-24T09:00:29.727" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="5233" PostId="3432" Score="0" Text="@Gilles I understand, you should be able to use either dumb or smart quotes when you need them. This issue isn't related to the recent front end updates. I did a search through the meta bug reports but couldn't find anything on this. I'm going to pull someone else in to help out with this. There is time scheduled for bug fixes within the next week." CreationDate="2015-03-24T13:42:34.070" UserId="100625" />
  <row Id="5234" PostId="3450" Score="0" Text="Thanks @Bruno. This will be fixed in the next production server build." CreationDate="2015-03-24T15:07:10.453" UserId="100625" />
  <row Id="5235" PostId="3442" Score="0" Text="Thanks @terdon. This is a global bug that's been reported on meta.stackexchange.com. It should be resolved soon." CreationDate="2015-03-24T15:08:49.560" UserId="100625" />
  <row Id="5236" PostId="3442" Score="0" Text="@KurtisBeavers yes, I thought I'd seen it reported somewhere. Great work overall though, thanks!" CreationDate="2015-03-24T15:09:45.407" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5237" PostId="3437" Score="0" Text="It used to be 18px, but now it's 16.  It's now too small, at least on Firefox Linux with whichever font I'm actually getting (Liberation Serif?)." CreationDate="2015-03-25T06:52:40.310" UserId="3169" />
  <row Id="5238" PostId="3451" Score="0" Text="You need to have 50 rep to leave a comment. You have 56 rep now, try it again." CreationDate="2015-03-25T10:51:15.323" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="5239" PostId="3451" Score="0" Text="Still same issue, even without 50 rep I can comment on my own question right?" CreationDate="2015-03-25T12:20:42.243" UserId="106741" />
  <row Id="5240" PostId="3451" Score="0" Text="link to the question: [link](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/192189/not-able-to-rename-root-user-of-mysql)" CreationDate="2015-03-25T12:22:26.237" UserId="106741" />
  <row Id="5241" PostId="3451" Score="0" Text="Correct you should be able to comment on your own Q's and A'ers. I'd suggest trying to clear your browser's cache as well." CreationDate="2015-03-25T12:27:57.263" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="5242" PostId="3451" Score="0" Text="I cleared all browser's cache,  no change. I will try from different network/system or mobile. Interestingly I am able to comment on answer but not for question." CreationDate="2015-03-25T13:47:30.697" UserId="106741" />
  <row Id="5243" PostId="3451" Score="0" Text="Now from a different machine, which is in a different network I could comment." CreationDate="2015-03-25T17:20:28.857" UserId="106741" />
  <row Id="5244" PostId="3424" Score="2" Text="It's just part of a bigger problem.  Far too many times I've had to ask myself:  &quot;Is this a linux question for U&amp;L, a bash scripting question for SO, an ubuntu specific question for AU, a server specific question for SF, or a generic question for SU?&quot;   The sites really aren't that different - what's the difference between linux and ubuntu?  When does a question belong on AU and not here?  When does a question about a linux server belong on SF and not here?  When does a bash scripting question belong on SO and not here?  I feel like these sites should't be separated by anything more than tags." CreationDate="2015-03-25T17:42:38.723" UserId="89664" />
  <row Id="5245" PostId="3429" Score="0" Text="@Mikel we just pushed a few changes. Most of the issues listed below have been resolved. There are a few other things that we are still working on." CreationDate="2015-03-25T19:25:25.973" UserId="100625" />
  <row Id="5246" PostId="3450" Score="0" Text="@KurtisBeavers Thank you." CreationDate="2015-03-25T19:26:28.477" UserId="2644" />
  <row Id="5247" PostId="3424" Score="0" Text="[Feature Disapproved](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/151729/allow-cross-site-duplicate-closing)" CreationDate="2015-03-26T20:13:09.287" UserId="12380" />
  <row Id="5248" PostId="3453" Score="0" Text="oh, sorry didn't realize that.  thank you!" CreationDate="2015-03-27T08:51:54.343" UserId="56601" />
  <row Id="5249" PostId="3454" Score="2" Text="It actually says &quot;To answer it, you must have earned at least 10 reputation on this site.&quot;. Have you?" CreationDate="2015-03-27T15:38:53.903" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="5250" PostId="3454" Score="0" Text="When I access that post, it actually says exactly what I copied and pasted into my post above." CreationDate="2015-03-27T19:31:33.257" UserId="89453" />
  <row Id="5251" PostId="3454" Score="1" Text="Strange, why would you get a different message? Here is the complete text I see: &quot;This question is protected to prevent &quot;thanks!&quot;, &quot;me too!&quot;, or spam answers by new users. To answer it, you must have earned at least 10 reputation on this site.&quot;." CreationDate="2015-03-27T19:33:11.123" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="5252" PostId="3455" Score="0" Text="I would encourage you to change this policy--or at least to clarify it.  I might think I had &quot;earned&quot; those 100 points on your site based on my participation in other sites.  I do like to help people, but don't really have time to be answering random questions on your site... and unix/linux isn't my strong point in any case.  But I did happen to figure out an answer to at least one cause of this problem, and it's worth thinking about whether rep on another site makes that person worth some trust." CreationDate="2015-03-27T19:34:57.727" UserId="89453" />
  <row Id="5253" PostId="3455" Score="2" Text="@NatKuhn first, a clarification: this is not &quot;our&quot; policy, it's not something we chose as a community. This is just the way that the Stack Exchange sites work and we (the U&amp;L folks) can't change it. That said, I quite agree that the message could be clearer. I also understand that it's frustrating but it's a necessary protection from drive-by spammers. There are only 128 protected questions out of the ~61K on the site. I realize this is annoying to you but it's hardly a big problem. Rep on another site certainly makes someone worthy of trust, that's why you get 100 free rep!" CreationDate="2015-03-27T19:54:44.880" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5254" PostId="3455" Score="0" Text="@NatKuhn - I would encourage you to slice that particular piece of the question you've figured out an answer to, and create your own Q &amp; A to it." CreationDate="2015-03-28T01:32:26.153" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="5255" PostId="3455" Score="0" Text="@terdon, sorry to be cranky about this, but it seems that (a) there is a bug here as noted in the comment to the question--people are getting different explanation messages; (b) at least one of these messages is worded in an unclear way; (c) if the purpose is to avoid spam or &quot;thanks!&quot; or &quot;me, too&quot; comments, wouldn't rep on another stackexchange site be sufficient for that? Is there a stackexchange meta site (meta meta?) where bugs and issues of this sort could be addressed, since they can't be addressed here?" CreationDate="2015-03-28T02:53:07.723" UserId="89453" />
  <row Id="5256" PostId="3455" Score="0" Text="@slm, thank you for your constructive suggestion.  As penance for my crankiness, I will do just as you say, clearly flagging it as a duplicate." CreationDate="2015-03-28T02:54:26.563" UserId="89453" />
  <row Id="5257" PostId="3455" Score="0" Text="OK, @slm, I have posted it here: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/193044/ssh-connection-to-server-closed-immediately-after-authentication/193045#193045.  Thanks for the suggestion." CreationDate="2015-03-28T03:14:39.900" UserId="89453" />
  <row Id="5258" PostId="3455" Score="2" Text="@natkuhn a) you're seeing that message because you tried to answer, the one mentioned in the comment is on the actual question, not the pop-up that appears if you attempt to answer. b) true c) popular questions appear in the side bar on all sites and bring in visitors from other communities. This often results in people who don't understand the site's scope posting answers or come to that don't really belong.  Protecting is a way to avoid that. The meta meta is http://meta.stackexchange.com" CreationDate="2015-03-28T10:00:03.293" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5259" PostId="3461" Score="0" Text="Good to know. I am not asking about the *how*, but rather the *where*. Thanks for your response; I will post this on the main site." CreationDate="2015-04-01T17:37:49.957" UserId="108864" />
  <row Id="5260" PostId="3429" Score="0" Text="Out of curiosity. Have colors for links vs. visited links been swapped? E.g. for *questions* listing." CreationDate="2015-04-02T20:08:13.847" UserId="28489" />
  <row Id="5261" PostId="3464" Score="0" Text="&quot;My edit caused the post to be show up in the reopen queue&quot;. Is this a bug or a feature?" CreationDate="2015-04-06T09:25:10.913" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="5262" PostId="3464" Score="0" Text="@FaheemMitha I think that this is meant as a feature." CreationDate="2015-04-06T15:14:39.643" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="5263" PostId="3432" Score="1" Text="We looked at the quotes on the last several hundred posts. While *a few* would be more correct without fancy quotes, the vast majority are correct and would be negatively impacted by such a change. Given that, we want to stick with the net-positive of replacing the quotes globally." CreationDate="2015-04-06T15:31:21.837" UserId="400" />
  <row Id="5264" PostId="3467" Score="0" Text="I followed your link and added the information out puts from the link. I sectioned each output with code blocks so it would be easier to read. So that extraneous material comes from your link." CreationDate="2015-04-06T20:41:10.990" UserId="36241" />
  <row Id="5265" PostId="3467" Score="0" Text="You did not. Reread the page, from the start, and follow it methodically." CreationDate="2015-04-06T20:56:51.940" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="5266" PostId="3465" Score="0" Text="Meanings that “conceivably apply” are irrelevant. What matters is meanings that people actually use. If you've found uses of [tag:background] with meanings other than the ones I mentioned, please cite some examples so we can decide what to do about them. Furthermore why do you want to burn the tag? [tag:background-process] is a perfectly well-defined notion, why do you want to eliminate it?" CreationDate="2015-04-06T21:41:16.993" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="5267" PostId="3432" Score="13" Text="@NickCraver You're reasoning as if the situation was symmetric, but it isn't, both because we don't get a choice and because one is a matter of aesthetics while the other is a matter of correctness. If a title would be improved by using typographic quotes, I can force them by using the appropriate characters. If a title is incorrect due to being displayed in typographic quotes, there's nothing I can do." CreationDate="2015-04-06T21:43:29.880" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="5268" PostId="3465" Score="2" Text="@Gilles I seem to have explained this badly. I intended to argue that there should be no tag called &quot;background&quot;. The existing tags &quot;background-process&quot; and &quot;desktop-background&quot; are perfectly clear and acceptable." CreationDate="2015-04-06T21:53:24.583" UserId="16404" />
  <row Id="5269" PostId="3467" Score="0" Text="You are in no place to tell me what I have and haven't done. Learn some respect." CreationDate="2015-04-06T23:11:06.010" UserId="36241" />
  <row Id="5270" PostId="3467" Score="1" Text="@dustin Jason is being respectful and is trying to help you. The edit history reflects what he's telling you." CreationDate="2015-04-07T05:08:27.020" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="5271" PostId="3467" Score="0" Text="@slm someone who says I didn't do something is not being respectful. How do they know what I have done? It is am assumption and disrespectful. Please tell me how this user knows what I have done? He wasn't at my house when accessed the link." CreationDate="2015-04-07T05:12:10.027" UserId="36241" />
  <row Id="5272" PostId="3467" Score="1" Text="@dustin under every question and answer on the site is an edit link. If you click it if shows you the entire history of edits that occurred and who did the editing and when they did it. Jason is referring to this. I've known Jason for several years and he's most certainly trying to help you. Try not to take his words so personally. Much can be lost in toneless text." CreationDate="2015-04-07T05:14:45.657" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="5273" PostId="3467" Score="0" Text="@slm this isn't the first SE site I have used. He is speaking of a link to an arch Linux wiki not edit history." CreationDate="2015-04-07T05:15:59.300" UserId="36241" />
  <row Id="5274" PostId="3467" Score="0" Text="@dustin he's basing it on the updates you've provided compared to the info you've provided thus far on your original question." CreationDate="2015-04-07T05:20:32.707" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="5275" PostId="3467" Score="0" Text="BTW @Dustin I looked at your profile page now. I thought you didn't understand that but seeing your work on the other sites I see you understood that point now." CreationDate="2015-04-07T05:23:31.593" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="5276" PostId="3467" Score="0" Text="@Dustin, at any rate I'd go thru what's in that link and details in your question and double check everything one more time." CreationDate="2015-04-07T05:27:17.620" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="5277" PostId="3469" Score="0" Text="sorry but it's really my english, &quot;I may have known&quot; meant &quot;I knew&quot; for me but you're right, for an english , this seeems confusing. I edited my post" CreationDate="2015-04-07T17:25:55.957" UserId="105060" />
  <row Id="5278" PostId="3469" Score="0" Text="The reason I didn't read tour is because I read it on stackoverflow, I thought here is the same(and sort of it was) , and thanks for your answer :)" CreationDate="2015-04-07T17:27:13.260" UserId="105060" />
  <row Id="5279" PostId="3469" Score="0" Text="apologies accepted :)" CreationDate="2015-04-07T17:27:42.693" UserId="105060" />
  <row Id="5280" PostId="3467" Score="0" Text="@slm I am not going to do that. I just won't be using this SE. I despise pompous individuals. No one who isn't with me knows what I have or haven't done so to claim otherwise is false." CreationDate="2015-04-07T23:11:09.413" UserId="36241" />
  <row Id="5281" PostId="3467" Score="5" Text="@dustin The simplest way to back up your claim would be to edit the detail into your question, but you seem unwilling to do that so carping about it here is pointless." CreationDate="2015-04-07T23:12:49.813" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="5282" PostId="3470" Score="0" Text="I am certainly one of those pedantic people, but I don't agree that there is little point in editing these close votes. As long as the stick around they are an example for others that gets replicated. It is like with kids, you can be an exemplary example for years, but one slip of the tongue when you hit your thumb with a hammer and they pick up the swearword you issued and will never let go. I really would prefer to be able to edit those &quot;thanks&quot;, &quot;hi&quot;, &quot;im&quot; etc out before they get replicated without automatic reopening." CreationDate="2015-04-08T17:57:29.273" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="5283" PostId="3471" Score="0" Text="I had a similar edit review over on AU: http://askubuntu.com/review/suggested-edits/399648 - the edit was on a post that was deleted nearly a year ago. O.o" CreationDate="2015-04-09T06:36:33.623" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="5284" PostId="3470" Score="0" Text="@Anthon I don't disagree. I also sometimes edit closed posts just because the errors bother me. However, this is a relatively rare occurrence and not really worth the trouble of fixing. As a general rule, we want edits to automatically place questions in the reopen queue." CreationDate="2015-04-09T10:18:12.587" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5285" PostId="3474" Score="1" Text="+1 although it only catches that small minority of the (new) posters that actually read instructions before dumping their question on us. I suggest changing  `suggest` in the first sentence of your question as it, combined with `suggestion`, makes the sentence quite confusing." CreationDate="2015-04-09T16:32:25.580" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="5287" PostId="3474" Score="0" Text="@Anthon rephrased the beginning. Is it ok now?" CreationDate="2015-04-09T16:56:34.110" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="5288" PostId="3474" Score="1" Text="Putting the suggestion as gray text in the question box (like the gray text in the title box) might be noticed. And would be entirely unobtrusive." CreationDate="2015-04-09T17:21:45.960" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="5289" PostId="3474" Score="0" Text="@FaheemMitha Yes, better now. It might have just been me, but before I had to restart two times before I got to the end of it." CreationDate="2015-04-09T17:36:50.423" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="5290" PostId="3476" Score="4" Text="I agree, webmasters seems like it would be a much better target." CreationDate="2015-04-10T10:59:43.617" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="5291" PostId="3476" Score="0" Text="Thanks, both of you!" CreationDate="2015-04-10T12:38:37.117" UserId="21109" />
  <row Id="5292" PostId="3477" Score="1" Text="For the record: I voted to close as Offtopic on the grounds that it was essentially a typo: not that it was unclear. For that reason, I would recommend deleting the question." CreationDate="2015-04-10T21:33:24.070" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="5293" PostId="3477" Score="4" Text="Your question title says &quot;script to add date to ping&quot;, but your script ***logs*** `ping` output with a timestamp to a file whose name contains the date, and then your question isn't even about that.  You ask why the loop doesn't work when the loop code is commented out.  I'm surprised it didn't get more downvotes." CreationDate="2015-04-11T09:25:33.667" UserId="23408" />
  <row Id="5294" PostId="3477" Score="1" Text="From my perspective it looks like you didn't even try first. I like helping people that are confused, but have tried. I  dislike helping people that didn't even bother to run a google search first.  Question quality aside, your also not likely to help anyone else with that question. SE is more analogous to a wiki then a forum, in that questions and answers should help more then just one person." CreationDate="2015-04-11T14:10:22.060" UserId="50370" />
  <row Id="5295" PostId="3478" Score="0" Text="Thank you goldilocks for the informative and useful information.  I really appreciate your explanation and thoughtfulness.  I'm fairly new/light user of SE so I really do appreciate the insight." CreationDate="2015-04-11T16:48:43.760" UserId="88194" />
  <row Id="5296" PostId="3480" Score="0" Text="+1. Sounds like a good idea to me. See also [Are history questions on topic?](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/73/are-history-questions-on-topic)." CreationDate="2015-04-12T12:58:49.280" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="5298" PostId="3463" Score="0" Text="Is this really a problem? I couldn't find any background color questions in the last few months. - Maybe it is enough to manually fix those rare cases of misuse." CreationDate="2015-04-13T05:33:54.967" UserId="29241" />
  <row Id="5299" PostId="3477" Score="0" Text="coteyr, thanks for your insight.  In my quest to improve, how might I have searched google for &quot;why this script doesn't repeat&quot;?  When I looked at that code, because the first line had a #, I thought that was necessary, not a comment-out." CreationDate="2015-04-13T12:59:24.127" UserId="88194" />
  <row Id="5300" PostId="3477" Score="0" Text="coteyr, I did search google.  and there's not a lot for someone whos not used to looking at bash scripts to go on.  My first thought was to go to people who know this stuff inside-out.  And, given that I thought it was CODE related, I though very much that an answer might help others out.   It's easy to criticise in hindsight and make assumptions that aren't true.   And how is your comment helping anyone, including me??? a dose of compassion my friend goes a long way." CreationDate="2015-04-13T13:06:32.423" UserId="88194" />
  <row Id="5302" PostId="3478" Score="0" Text="re &quot;...you actually managed to cut and paste that in without noticing.&quot; Considering that it has come to light (in the comments to this question), that the op didn't even understand what a comment in bash was, does this answer still stand? From the question comment: &quot;When I looked at that code, because the first line had a #, I thought that was necessary...&quot;" CreationDate="2015-04-13T15:23:09.890" UserId="109964" />
  <row Id="5303" PostId="3478" Score="4" Text="@sbell Like I said, that possibility is why I would give someone the benefit of the doubt here.  However, if you're posting code you didn't write that you don't understand that doesn't do want you think it should do, or code that you did write to do something you've never done before, you should make that explicit.  Of course, if you are totally new to the genre, understanding what you should and shouldn't indicate might take time to learn, asking questions is how we do that -- I do think explaining yourself if  you've cast the first downvote should be mandatory, BTW." CreationDate="2015-04-13T15:29:11.647" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="5304" PostId="3463" Score="0" Text="Was the wiki except there previously?  Right now it seems very unambiguous to me.  You can't completely stop people from not bothering to read/think.   The real problem is that there are two tags referring to the same thing.  What would help with that is **if mods were notified whenever someone created a new tag** -- I am sure that would catch *most* of this kind of thing from the start, saving the much bigger hassle later and all the dysfunctional events in between." CreationDate="2015-04-13T15:35:36.917" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="5305" PostId="3463" Score="0" Text="@goldilocks The excerpt has only been there for a week (you can check the revision history). In fact, I'd forgotten about it, but reviewing the excerpt suggestion must have been what prompted my meta question. Notifying moderators on each tag creation wouldn't be useful: this isn't something that moderators need to act about. Anyone can monitor newly created tags in the [“new” tab of the Tags page](http://unix.stackexchange.com/tags?tab=new), and edit posts that they think are not tagged appropriately." CreationDate="2015-04-13T15:38:57.693" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="5306" PostId="3482" Score="0" Text="The description has only been there for a week. It's legitimate, because [tag:background] is *mostly* used for background processes; now we need to do some cleanup." CreationDate="2015-04-13T15:40:45.510" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="5307" PostId="3463" Score="0" Text="Eureka!  Thanks Gilles.  See, I can't even completely stop my *myself* from not bothering to read/think.  Although as a mod, I'd still appreciate more of an alert, so I don't have to remember yet-another-thing-to-check-on-regularly.  I don't think people should be allowed to create tags with no excerpt, either." CreationDate="2015-04-13T15:41:24.397" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="5308" PostId="3483" Score="0" Text="Hmm. I can't reproduce this. Which browser and version are you using?" CreationDate="2015-04-13T18:15:40.127" UserId="100625" />
  <row Id="5310" PostId="3483" Score="0" Text="@KurtisBeavers firefox 37.0 on 64bit Debian. It looks OK in chrome and opera, see updated answer." CreationDate="2015-04-13T18:28:03.853" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5311" PostId="3480" Score="4" Text="I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because that exact history tag has already been in existence since 2011-01-01" CreationDate="2015-04-14T06:22:39.780" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="5312" PostId="3442" Score="0" Text="This doesn't happen with just pending edits and close votes, you also need the mod link." CreationDate="2015-04-14T15:30:20.883" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="5313" PostId="3484" Score="3" Text="You could _answer_ questions. Questions about U+L are on-topic on Meta, not here." CreationDate="2015-04-14T18:01:18.380" UserId="88983" />
  <row Id="5314" PostId="3484" Score="2" Text="@dhag although you are correct in pointing out that this belongs on meta, the OP needs 5 rep to participate there." CreationDate="2015-04-14T18:05:19.113" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="5315" PostId="3484" Score="2" Text="+1 for your desire to find out how to play" CreationDate="2015-04-14T18:06:44.823" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="5316" PostId="3484" Score="1" Text="Welcome to U&amp;L superboot." CreationDate="2015-04-14T18:06:48.117" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="5317" PostId="3484" Score="2" Text="See [Six simple tips to get reputation fast on any Stack Exchange site](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/17204/195817) (and be aware that a large portion of it is tongue-in-cheek)." CreationDate="2015-04-14T18:06:53.490" UserId="23408" />
  <row Id="5318" PostId="3484" Score="0" Text="@Anthon: Oh, OK. I wasn't sure what the best course of action was in&#xA;such a case. I assumed if the question got moved to Meta, will the&#xA;person who asked would be able to comment, accept answers, etc?" CreationDate="2015-04-14T18:08:25.227" UserId="88983" />
  <row Id="5319" PostId="3484" Score="2" Text="@dhag yes, you always can comment on answers to your own post, even if moved to meta. The correct thing to do with your reputation level would be to  flag the post as needing closing because it belongs on meta (if you have that option under your flag, sorry that I don't know exactly at higher rep levels you can directly vote to close)" CreationDate="2015-04-14T18:13:42.960" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="5320" PostId="3480" Score="0" Text="@Anthon didn't know that. I also voted to close. Shouldn't it be easier for the person who made the question to close it if the answer is already there. I could delete it as well if that makes any difference but then if somebody has the same query (even mistakenly) would open it again." CreationDate="2015-04-14T20:20:52.857" UserId="50490" />
  <row Id="5321" PostId="3480" Score="0" Text="@shirish  IIRC normally you can only delete it if there is no answer yet. If there is an answer, you don't want the OP to be able to invalidate answerers effort by deleting the post (for whatever reason). So voting to close is the right thing to do." CreationDate="2015-04-14T20:48:43.843" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="5322" PostId="3485" Score="0" Text="For an example of what Anthon is describing, see : [How can I be assured that my issue can be helped here?](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/3278/how-can-i-be-assured-that-my-issue-can-be-helped-here).  I asked and answered my own question." CreationDate="2015-04-14T22:33:53.750" UserId="64157" />
  <row Id="5323" PostId="3480" Score="0" Text="@Anthon , as muru did take the effort hence voting to close, it seems in meta it takes many more votes to close a question then it does on plain stack sites." CreationDate="2015-04-15T00:08:07.623" UserId="50490" />
  <row Id="5324" PostId="3480" Score="0" Text="@shirish It doesn't take more votes, but there are so seldom vote opportunities on meta, that potential voters don't look at the queues that often. That is why it takes so long. There are only 3 queues and on one of them I have not even had a chance to vote." CreationDate="2015-04-15T04:20:16.050" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="5325" PostId="3484" Score="1" Text="It's also [totally OK to answer your own questions](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2011/07/its-ok-to-ask-and-answer-your-own-questions/). Linux is great to experiment on and U&amp;L is great for sharing the results of said experiments. (Just make sure it's [on-topic](http://unix.stackexchange.com/help/on-topic) and [doesn't sound like a blog post](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/283558/777586).)" CreationDate="2015-04-15T18:59:41.513" UserId="16404" />
  <row Id="5326" PostId="3484" Score="1" Text="Even if your premise that all the questions have been asked is true, there are still better answers out there, and even one answer is likely to net you the needed rep to vote. Likewise if all the answers are already there, surely there are 6 posts in the thousands on the site that could use a little editing love, which would also earn you the rep to vote. The bar is actually pretty low, you just have to demonstrate _some modicum_ of knowledge and/or good faith before you get vote privs. Otherwise any troll or bot on the Internet could dilute the signal-to-noise sorting with impunity." CreationDate="2015-04-16T06:40:55.927" UserId="1925" />
  <row Id="5327" PostId="3487" Score="4" Text="See: [How can I cancel an edit I made on another user's question or answer?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/80933/145982)" CreationDate="2015-04-16T21:22:37.447" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="5328" PostId="3489" Score="0" Text="I know, at my age, my eyesight is slowly failing me,but I have no clue what ads you are talking about. Given the upvotes I might be the only one missing something. Where are these ads, on the U&amp;L main site, SO and Ebooks where I regularly visit I have not noticed them (only job offer ads in SO). Or is this something I'm &quot;missing&quot; because my browser (NoScript, AdBlock Plus) filters things." CreationDate="2015-04-17T08:44:28.830" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="5329" PostId="3489" Score="0" Text="@Anthon it must be your ad-blocker. I have edited an example in for you..." CreationDate="2015-04-17T08:47:56.763" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="5330" PostId="3489" Score="4" Text="Thanks, I sure don't have that. I briefly considered switching AdBlock off so I can do a bit of extra up/down voting, but as I don't think that will earn me a badge, I think I'll lieave things as is ;-)" CreationDate="2015-04-17T08:53:00.970" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="5331" PostId="3432" Score="9" Text="@NickCraver - this decision (to stick to fancy quotes) does Unix and Linux (and, incidentally, Server Fault and SO) a great disservice. Tons and tons of noobs coming in from Google would be better off with working recipes." CreationDate="2015-04-17T08:53:03.150" UserId="24379" />
  <row Id="5332" PostId="3489" Score="0" Text="I'm guessing that the votes up/down are not counted on a per-user basis. The votes of all users are probably summed when deciding which ads appear. That might explain why you feel your votes are being ignored." CreationDate="2015-04-17T10:11:32.300" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5333" PostId="3489" Score="2" Text="@terdon Well, the copy explicity says [they won't show the ad again](http://a.pomf.se/glvgzk.png). Which is the primary reason I find this so irritating..." CreationDate="2015-04-17T10:15:17.333" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="5334" PostId="3489" Score="3" Text="Oh. There goes that argument then, that _is_ annoying. In fact, I would even call it a bug." CreationDate="2015-04-17T10:23:59.630" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5336" PostId="3490" Score="0" Text="The tag excerpt for `/u-boot` was [approved as well](http://unix.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/85433), although it is copied content **and** complete lacked usage guidance." CreationDate="2015-04-17T19:05:56.060" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="5337" PostId="3489" Score="0" Text="@jasonwryan Are you clearing your cookies?" CreationDate="2015-04-17T20:41:57.957" UserId="77794" />
  <row Id="5338" PostId="3489" Score="0" Text="@stevvve no, I would not have posted if I was." CreationDate="2015-04-17T20:45:06.533" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="5339" PostId="3489" Score="0" Text="@jasonwryan Just checking! Next up: checking to make sure they voting module is functioning as it should." CreationDate="2015-04-17T20:46:38.657" UserId="77794" />
  <row Id="5340" PostId="3489" Score="0" Text="@stevvve cool: thank you." CreationDate="2015-04-17T20:56:48.297" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="5341" PostId="3490" Score="0" Text="Let me ask around on what to do for this one. I suspect that this on MSO would probably be a better avenue but I'll check with the other mods to see what's the best course of action for the feature request component." CreationDate="2015-04-17T22:39:47.070" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="5342" PostId="3490" Score="0" Text="One of the other mods dug this Q up on mSO already: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/165379/proposed-methods-for-countering-plagiarized-text-in-tag-wikis/201884#201884. LMK what you want to do, you may want to merge any deltas w/ your Q here into that one." CreationDate="2015-04-18T01:54:11.650" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="5343" PostId="3490" Score="0" Text="@slm Thanks for digging that up, I clearly should spent more time on [metase]. I will probably do the merging after I am back from vacation. What is the proper action until then, ping those involved on chat myself? Ping you or any other of the mods?" CreationDate="2015-04-18T05:46:06.210" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="5344" PostId="3492" Score="1" Text="Please remember to mention your browser and version as well as the system it is running on. I don't see that on my firefox 37.0 for example. Also, it is often helpful [to highlight](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/19775/203101) the relevant part of an image so the bug can be found easily." CreationDate="2015-04-18T13:30:36.873" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5345" PostId="3492" Score="0" Text="Sorry about that, completely slipped my mind. Should have written it down instead of posting a question right away when I had to go, ey." CreationDate="2015-04-18T13:33:32.307" UserId="33521" />
  <row Id="5346" PostId="3492" Score="1" Text="Actually, I can no longer reproduce it in Chromium after a reboot. I’ll see if it happens again, and if it doesn’t reoccur I’ll post an answer saying so tomorrow." CreationDate="2015-04-18T13:38:54.397" UserId="33521" />
  <row Id="5347" PostId="3490" Score="0" Text="We can do this when you get back from vacation. Just ping me then and I can assist with the specifics." CreationDate="2015-04-18T13:49:30.910" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="5348" PostId="3493" Score="0" Text="What extensions are you using? Also does the requisite clearing of your browser's cache have any effect on this?" CreationDate="2015-04-18T13:53:10.853" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="5349" PostId="3493" Score="0" Text="@slm I think that clearing the cache fixed it. I should have thought of that, thanks." CreationDate="2015-04-18T14:00:05.387" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5350" PostId="3493" Score="0" Text="@slm I take that back, it's back again. Apparently, clearing the cache stops it but something is loaded into the cache again." CreationDate="2015-04-18T16:16:05.130" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5351" PostId="3496" Score="0" Text="How to count them?" CreationDate="2015-04-18T18:33:47.277" UserId="21911" />
  <row Id="5352" PostId="3496" Score="1" Text="@MohsenPahlevanzadeh search for `is:question closed:yes` (if you don't know how to get at that answer, click `Advanced Search Tips` next to the search box on a search result page)" CreationDate="2015-04-18T20:21:34.773" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="5353" PostId="3489" Score="3" Text="@stevvve: I suspect the problem is that the cookies are set on a third-party domain (engine.adzerk.net). If you have third-party cookies disabled in your browser (as just about any privacy-conscious person would), the ads will keep showing no matter how many times you vote them down. Adding an exception to allow cookies from adzerk.net might be a possible work-around." CreationDate="2015-04-18T20:59:44.930" UserId="9334" />
  <row Id="5354" PostId="3499" Score="0" Text="I take your general point, but I think you are overstating it with &quot;would not help with anything&quot;. At a minimum, it would serve as a reminder. And when it comes to general cynicism about human nature I'm hard to beat." CreationDate="2015-04-18T21:58:31.500" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="5355" PostId="3487" Score="0" Text="@kyrias I've experienced an similar situation, thanks for the question." CreationDate="2015-04-18T23:31:51.197" UserId="36440" />
  <row Id="5356" PostId="3498" Score="0" Text="Some closed/on hold questions can only be considered for reopening if the author takes some editing action e.g providing additional info. If the author puts in e.g. &quot;thanks&quot; at the end of the Q in the original post, there is little chance (s)he will remove that during such a reopen edit. If others approve of that **as is**, I might get to review that and remove the chit-chat. I rather waste my time getting these in shape as well, just in case the OP provides the changes that warrant a reopen." CreationDate="2015-04-19T05:03:07.767" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="5357" PostId="3501" Score="2" Text="I don't know enough about this to know when to tag with one or the other so I can't really help. I'd be happy to merge the two if that's what's decided." CreationDate="2015-04-19T17:48:08.990" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5379" PostId="3487" Score="1" Text="Normally, reviewers are expected to, well, review your edit, and consider if it's valid. They can also fix your mistake." CreationDate="2015-04-22T01:44:11.890" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="5380" PostId="3485" Score="1" Text="_&quot;but finding ones that have not been asked before can be a challenge.&quot;_ Not only that. It can also be a challenge finding ones that have not been _answered_ before! Because a small amount of very active people who seem to &quot;virtually inhabit SE&quot; seem to be monitoring SE and related sites hourly for new incoming questions, and you sometimes really have to be a VERY fast typist to win the race against these ever-present fellows who (statistically) never sleep. So it's way harder than it looks. Because you would not want to write an answer near-identical to one of theirs, either, would you." CreationDate="2015-04-22T17:33:41.870" UserId="22858" />
  <row Id="5381" PostId="3477" Score="0" Text="My comment stands, from my perspective the question didn't even look like you tried at all. It looked like you hit a bump and instead of trying other means (google) came over to SE and posted. I would advise in future, when asking a question, state what you already did, and why you think it isn't working. You can see in http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/197885/linux-stop-background-process-via-kill-pid/197890#197890 that the asker is asking a simple question but explains in detail what he tried and how it failed to work. He got upvotes and answers." CreationDate="2015-04-22T20:34:46.893" UserId="50370" />
  <row Id="5382" PostId="3478" Score="0" Text="I personally tend to think that the answer stands, even though the poster did not under stand that the comment was a comment, if he did not have that understanding then the first step should have been a bash tutorial, paper, wiki, something. That said, there is nothing wrong with a down vote. It helps keep the site clean and useful, the posters can usually delete their own questions. It's the best way to give feedback that the question is not sufficient quality for the site (flagging too). Gotta start somewhere." CreationDate="2015-04-22T20:39:27.530" UserId="50370" />
  <row Id="5383" PostId="3311" Score="0" Text="I like ads that actually look like ads and aren't just a random logo. A logo by itself would look out of place to me." CreationDate="2015-04-22T21:31:27.167" UserDisplayName="user38810" />
  <row Id="5384" PostId="3485" Score="0" Text="@syntaxerror Yes it can be tough to find unanswered questions. And around my effort to get to 20K I have been one of this answer-every-question persons myself. However it looks like there is no one currently aiming for the legendary badge and the last few weeks there were always multiple questions in the most recent 50 that were unanswered." CreationDate="2015-04-22T21:34:29.870" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="5385" PostId="3478" Score="0" Text="@coteyr To re-iterate my own personal feeling, I think if a question is already getting downvotes and you want to pile on anonymously, fine -- there's no point in people leaving comments like, &quot;Yeah, ditto, this sucks&quot; or whatever.   But **if you are leaving the first downvote**, I think it is a shame the system encourages you to think you have done your moral duty by quickly clicking a button and *made no effort to explain yourself* when this is a pattern of behaviour the system (**ostensibly**) makes a show of discouraging." CreationDate="2015-04-23T00:05:35.450" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="5386" PostId="3485" Score="0" Text="I think some years ago, it was way easier to get to 20K than now because some subjects were only treated marginally, whilst there are more questions (most of which have good answers now) to these subjects at present. Hence, considering that the good old questions will stay on SE (and related sites) for the forthcoming years, it will become an even more rare case in 10 years to gain even a 10K reputation (unless you deliberately camouflage your questions so that people think they're new ones, while in fact they were simply reworded old ones)." CreationDate="2015-04-23T18:22:45.707" UserId="22858" />
  <row Id="5387" PostId="3478" Score="0" Text="The system encourages you to leave a comment when you down vote and forces you to if you flag. Keep in mind that down votes serve two purposes. 1. To get the poster to post (or edit) better questions, and to get the &quot;crap questions&quot; off the &quot;top&quot; pages. As a frequent user of a few SE sites when I look for questions to answer I usually don't look past the first page. And the first page really shouldn't be bad questions. In this context its better to anonymously (though I usually don't) down vote questions with no comment then to not down vote at all. That said, it's better to leave a  comment." CreationDate="2015-04-23T19:40:55.413" UserId="50370" />
  <row Id="5388" PostId="3508" Score="0" Text="Alright, I think that was it. I just didn't realize they were itemized separately reputation-wise." CreationDate="2015-04-23T20:32:23.050" UserId="34520" />
  <row Id="5389" PostId="3508" Score="0" Text="Also, why did you change the satellite tag to &quot;redhat-satellite&quot;? Is there another product called &quot;satellite&quot; out there?" CreationDate="2015-04-23T20:33:40.220" UserId="34520" />
  <row Id="5390" PostId="3508" Score="0" Text="@Bratchley Many! Toshiba's laptop for starters." CreationDate="2015-04-23T20:36:45.627" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="5391" PostId="3508" Score="0" Text="Alright I guess. Not really U&amp;L related but I see your point." CreationDate="2015-04-23T20:40:10.440" UserId="34520" />
  <row Id="5392" PostId="3485" Score="0" Text="It was probably easier in the past, but it is still possible; I've got nearly 7K in three months, and I'm not the only newcomer to get lots of reputation recently... There are always new things coming along too, so the window of opportunity isn't yet shut; think of all the `systemd` questions that are bound to come up in the next few months!" CreationDate="2015-04-23T21:04:46.130" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="5393" PostId="3506" Score="0" Text="`satellite` doesn't seem to be in the system any more.  The `katello`  tag wiki excerpt lacks usage guidance and starts with &quot;Katello is a layered systems management application for Unix systems, primarily GNU/Linux. It is a layered product ..&quot;. A layered application that is a layered product, really? IMO you were lucky to get this approved." CreationDate="2015-04-24T06:15:05.107" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="5394" PostId="3486" Score="3" Text="&quot;If you gain 200 reputation on a StackExchange site, you get an instant bonus of 100 rep on all other SE sites.&quot; Well, this only holds for the *first* time you hit 200 reputation." CreationDate="2015-04-24T08:32:14.083" UserId="94483" />
  <row Id="5396" PostId="3506" Score="0" Text="Slight levels of redundancy are truly a sign of the end times. fwiw I submitted a revision that took the first &quot;layered product&quot; mention out. Each had a purpose but I agree that it sounds repetitious being so close together." CreationDate="2015-04-24T11:36:43.570" UserId="34520" />
  <row Id="5397" PostId="3510" Score="4" Text="Useful search: [answers:0 score:2 is:question closed:no](http://unix.stackexchange.com/search?tab=newest&amp;q=answers%3a0%20score%3a2%20is%3aquestion%20closed%3ano) ... change the score to whatever criteria you'd like." CreationDate="2015-04-24T19:23:46.637" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="5398" PostId="3510" Score="1" Text="Also, even after AU had those, we're still 11 points higher on answered questions :-)" CreationDate="2015-04-24T19:51:18.977" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="5399" PostId="3510" Score="1" Text="We can definitely do this, but we generally try and do this (at least some of us) as time permits as just a basic event, no gamification." CreationDate="2015-04-24T20:11:56.247" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="5400" PostId="3510" Score="0" Text="We did do this [a while back](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/873/a-contest-to-cleanup-old-abandoned-questions) as a contest; we can look into some sort of event" CreationDate="2015-04-24T22:06:00.110" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="5401" PostId="3513" Score="0" Text="Thank you. Why?" CreationDate="2015-04-27T14:43:43.873" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="5402" PostId="3513" Score="0" Text="@roaima Edited." CreationDate="2015-04-27T14:45:53.933" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="5403" PostId="3513" Score="0" Text="Ah! I'll go and (re-)read the markdown documentation. (Again!)" CreationDate="2015-04-27T14:47:42.870" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="5404" PostId="3513" Score="2" Text="@roaima http://unix.stackexchange.com/editing-help#advanced-lists" CreationDate="2015-04-27T14:49:26.377" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="5405" PostId="3501" Score="0" Text="IIRC IBM system x uses EFI. It may be worth keeping them separate just so people asking questions about older high end servers aren't approached by people whose knowledge is with more recent versions. A lot of times you need to know how the older iteration worked. Knowing how the newer versions work and inferring from that isn't always helpful, especially when the hardware itself may pose unique challenges." CreationDate="2015-04-27T15:59:54.210" UserId="34520" />
  <row Id="5406" PostId="3501" Score="0" Text="Basically what I'm saying is that if you've tagged a question as being [tag:efi] and not [tag:uefi] it's reasonable to assume that part of your question may involve experience the hardware that used to run EFI. UEFI is pretty across the board, in contrast." CreationDate="2015-04-27T16:06:11.373" UserId="34520" />
  <row Id="5407" PostId="3501" Score="0" Text="@Bratchley Do we have questions that are about EFI and not about UEFI? Because if we don't then a separate [tag:efi] tag is doing more harm than good." CreationDate="2015-04-27T18:58:46.343" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="5408" PostId="3501" Score="0" Text="tbh now that I look at how thoroughly misused the [tag:efi] tag is, it pretty much is a [tag:uefi] synonym except without being an actual one (which may have been your point up above). I still think that for the next few years there's a strong argument for keeping them separate (UEFI is still relatively new to broader public) but if people are going to misuse it en masse like that, it's probably a moot point." CreationDate="2015-04-27T19:16:11.067" UserId="34520" />
  <row Id="5409" PostId="3489" Score="0" Text="Ad blocker up, no distraction at all..." CreationDate="2015-05-01T19:31:51.277" UserId="24379" />
  <row Id="5410" PostId="3520" Score="0" Text="By rename I assume you mean reword. I don't think rename is quite the right word here." CreationDate="2015-05-06T00:53:10.550" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="5411" PostId="3520" Score="0" Text="@FaheemMitha I think you're right. :)" CreationDate="2015-05-06T01:01:48.990" UserId="23797" />
  <row Id="5412" PostId="3520" Score="0" Text="I agree, it's in everyone's best interest to rework the title in addition to the body of the Q." CreationDate="2015-05-06T01:03:50.190" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="5413" PostId="3520" Score="0" Text="@slm should I do that or make a new question with the purpose of it being community\wiki owned? If I write a new question then the original asker doesn't loose any reputation." CreationDate="2015-05-06T01:07:45.297" UserId="23797" />
  <row Id="5414" PostId="3520" Score="3" Text="@SailorCire - I wouldn't highjack a Q, for that purpose, start a new one if that's your intent. I'd ask in chat for guidance from the rest of the community before hand though. See what others think, and try and get a consensus." CreationDate="2015-05-06T01:21:03.340" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="5415" PostId="3518" Score="0" Text="Good advice. It does seem like we got a flood of people dumping homework assignments here the last week or so." CreationDate="2015-05-06T13:06:34.790" UserId="13796" />
  <row Id="5416" PostId="3520" Score="0" Text="@slm I'll let this question fester here for a little longer. I think it currently shows up as a &quot;hot&quot; meta post which *should* attract some more attention. I reckon if I can get 50 votes then that should count as a quorum." CreationDate="2015-05-06T14:38:41.783" UserId="23797" />
  <row Id="5417" PostId="3522" Score="0" Text="I'm actually suggesting it because of our other [cleanup question](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/3510/clean-up-question-on-this-qa). So it seems like this idea has been around for a while. If I get the quorum then I'll look at making those suggested questions real ones over on U&amp;L so a dup flag can be made easier. If this happens, I'll add a `community-wiki-me` tag or something similar so someone with the rep can make the changes." CreationDate="2015-05-06T14:49:32.287" UserId="23797" />
  <row Id="5418" PostId="3522" Score="0" Text="@SailorCire If intend to be active, please show yourself on the chat site at least once with a comment. Then we can reach you there with `@SailorCire` if we have suggestions, in addition to/instead of commenting on posts. Especially commenting on edits is better done there, as other things that (should) have a more transient nature." CreationDate="2015-05-06T15:34:15.817" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="5419" PostId="3522" Score="0" Text="+1, except he doesn't *have* to answer it himself. Writing a good canonical/generic question would be good enough. There are plenty of people who can answer it once it is written." CreationDate="2015-05-06T16:40:35.677" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="5420" PostId="3522" Score="0" Text="@FaheemMitha Yes he doesn't have to, but if he wants to flag/close the others as duplicate an answer is needed, because IIRC you cannot mark a question A as duplicate of B if B has no answers." CreationDate="2015-05-06T17:26:57.193" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="5421" PostId="3522" Score="0" Text="@Anthon that's true." CreationDate="2015-05-06T18:03:06.860" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="5422" PostId="2732" Score="0" Text="@terdon - I think [this](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/9496/looping-through-files-with-spaces-in-the-names) is a good one." CreationDate="2015-05-07T12:30:02.557" UserId="102632" />
  <row Id="5423" PostId="3526" Score="0" Text="I'd be curious to know why my question has received a downvote" CreationDate="2015-05-08T20:44:30.697" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="5424" PostId="3526" Score="1" Text="See &quot;voting is different on meta&quot; at http://unix.stackexchange.com/help/whats-meta — probably someone voted -1 to indicate disagreement." CreationDate="2015-05-08T20:51:34.983" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="5425" PostId="3526" Score="0" Text="@derobert missed that; appreciated." CreationDate="2015-05-08T21:22:44.210" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="5426" PostId="3526" Score="0" Text="See this meta for how &quot;new users&quot; are limited: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4564/what-are-the-limits-and-restrictions-for-new-users." CreationDate="2015-05-08T21:23:09.753" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="5427" PostId="3526" Score="0" Text="@slm thank you. None of that seems to cover my suggestion." CreationDate="2015-05-08T21:49:22.937" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="5428" PostId="3526" Score="3" Text="The downvote was mine, I don't think the feature would be useful. I started writing an answer but got distracted and never finished it." CreationDate="2015-05-09T06:13:32.603" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="5429" PostId="3526" Score="1" Text="Until now, that is." CreationDate="2015-05-09T06:28:04.460" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="5430" PostId="3527" Score="0" Text="I'll try and that and see how it goes. Since this is meta I'm going to say &quot;thank you&quot; anyway." CreationDate="2015-05-09T17:19:50.117" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="5431" PostId="3527" Score="1" Text="If in doubt on what to do, or if you want some feedback, explain what you intend to do on chat first. There are often people around who are willing to give a second opinion, or point out where you are about to go wrong." CreationDate="2015-05-09T18:05:31.837" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="5432" PostId="3521" Score="0" Text="While I like the idea of generally pointing duplicates to the right place, there are some times when it comes off as &quot;rude&quot; or &quot;cold&quot;, mostly when the target question &quot;seems&quot; only generally related, and not specifically related. Maybe a question re-word could address that scenario." CreationDate="2015-05-14T13:13:05.430" UserId="50370" />
  <row Id="5433" PostId="3522" Score="0" Text="I'm not sure where to stick this comment so I am putting it here. I like this answer, but I urge everyone to keep in mind the **perception** that a closed as duplicate is a big &quot;FU I don't have time&quot; flag. It's true that 80% of all questions are going to be repeats of general questions, but that doesn't mean the perception is still not there. In a lot of cases I think U&amp;L comes off as &quot;unfriendly&quot; and &quot;last resort&quot; compared to SO or Ask Ubuntu etc, in part because we are quicker to flag off topic or duplicate (even though it is technically correct to do so). Just keep in mind when cleaning." CreationDate="2015-05-14T13:21:02.343" UserId="50370" />
  <row Id="5435" PostId="3538" Score="1" Text="I agree too. I'm be inclined to drop the /output tag as well unless there's a compelling reason to keep it." CreationDate="2015-05-26T11:36:19.403" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="5436" PostId="3537" Score="11" Text="+1 for `sound-volume` if only because many users might start typing `sound` and so find it." CreationDate="2015-05-26T11:52:34.857" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5437" PostId="3535" Score="0" Text="How about [tag:user-accounts] for meta-data and databases, [tag:privileges] for those and *nothing* for ownership? Then [tag:accounts] could be merged in to [tag:user-accounts]." CreationDate="2015-05-27T19:19:30.910" UserId="29882" />
  <row Id="5438" PostId="3535" Score="0" Text="@guntbert That might work. I've been wondering if we should have a [tag:file-metadata] tag covering permissions, ownership, timestamps and so on, but it's not discoverable enough." CreationDate="2015-05-27T19:27:59.440" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="5439" PostId="3535" Score="0" Text="Next idea in that lane: create [tag:file-metadata] and make [tag:privileges] and [tag:inodes] ... aliases of it." CreationDate="2015-05-27T19:31:40.687" UserId="29882" />
  <row Id="5440" PostId="3535" Score="0" Text="@guntbert [tag:permissions], not [tag:privileges]. And inodes and names are sufficiently peculiar that they need a tag separate from [tag:file-metadata]. Another approach would be to consider permissions to be part of ownership (after all, with ACL, group ownership turns into a permission). Just tossing ideas out for now, I'm not sure which approach is best." CreationDate="2015-05-27T19:38:55.117" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="5442" PostId="3541" Score="0" Text="You mean the group called `users` often present on default Linux installation? A logical tag name would be `users-group`, but that's an extremely specific topic, I don't see it warranting a tag. The question you cite is not about that: in that question, `users` is just an example." CreationDate="2015-05-28T06:45:07.140" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="5443" PostId="3541" Score="0" Text="@Gilles yes that is the one I mean, and what the question I quote refers to. It is what in the man page is called the intiial group. I am not sure if it warrents keeping at all. I did not count up-front, but proposed the process of first renaming and then deciding on deletion after it is clear how many of this particular use cases there are. Instead of just removing the [tag:users] and not being able to find thiem once you would realise there are enough to warrent the tag. I would not use `users-group`, as some distro might not use/have used `users` for the common initial group." CreationDate="2015-05-28T06:59:25.513" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="5444" PostId="3541" Score="0" Text="What do you mean by “common initial group”? Do you mean the default primary group? [tag:default-primary-group] would be a better name. But that too is an overly specific topic, I think we can live with just [tag:group] and something like [tag:user-accounts]. We don't even have a tag for [tag:primary-group] or [tag:supplemental-groups]." CreationDate="2015-05-28T07:02:21.760" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="5445" PostId="3541" Score="0" Text="@Gilles I got `initial group` from `man useradd`, but [tag:default-primary-group] would probably be better. I have only retagged some 20 questions in one action and I could preview all before I started. With the 571 [tag:users] that is really feasable, if a retag of this uses is done to just [tag:group] and afterwards you realise you had e.g. 50 of these specific cases and decide they warrant their own tag, you would have to separate them from [tag:group]. That is more difficult to do than changing or removing [tag:default-primary-group] afterwards if there are not enough Qs for that tag" CreationDate="2015-05-28T07:11:58.350" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="5446" PostId="3541" Score="0" Text="It is just how I would go about this, not knowing up front how many of these uses of [tag:users] are there going to be." CreationDate="2015-05-28T07:12:04.637" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="5447" PostId="3538" Score="0" Text="@slm, what about braille tty, video, seat shakers and whatnot?" CreationDate="2015-06-02T22:26:14.947" UserId="52456" />
  <row Id="5448" PostId="3542" Score="0" Text="what about NSS?" CreationDate="2015-06-02T22:28:36.143" UserId="52456" />
  <row Id="5449" PostId="3538" Score="0" Text="@hildred - can you elaborate? I don't understand what those have to do with /output." CreationDate="2015-06-02T22:29:27.103" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="5450" PostId="3538" Score="0" Text="they are output devices that may not be directly associated with stdout, much as a mouse is a input device not associated with stdin. just food for thought." CreationDate="2015-06-02T22:32:31.070" UserId="52456" />
  <row Id="5451" PostId="3542" Score="0" Text="@hildred there's already the [tag:nsswitch] tag" CreationDate="2015-06-03T01:09:48.877" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="5452" PostId="1198" Score="0" Text="The cases where the extra 'noise' is useful are very rare." CreationDate="2015-06-08T19:41:28.153" UserId="688" />
  <row Id="5453" PostId="3548" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the explanation. I can see the plusses and minuses for the approach. However... I didn't receive any sort of notification that it had happened. If I hadn't noticed it when I was adding some data, I would have never known that it had happened unless I came back to bump it. Is there a setting that I need to configure to get notifications when this happens in the future?" CreationDate="2015-06-09T03:55:20.047" UserId="118358" />
  <row Id="5454" PostId="3548" Score="0" Text="@BentDreams - I'm not sure about a notification of the state change for your Q in terms of a bump. There was a comment left by Anthon which I was expecting you to address. Otherwise we typically leave comments directed to the OP if a Q is in this particular type of state (not always but often times we do this). When asking a Q it's typically expected that the OP come back to tend to their Q's to make sure that there aren't any issues that need addressing. Asking Q's is a interactive activity on the SE sites 8-)." CreationDate="2015-06-09T04:01:40.610" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="5455" PostId="3548" Score="0" Text="If you look through the SE meta site (meta.stackexchange.com) a Q was posted about the bumping of the OP: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/93842/send-authors-an-inbox-message-if-their-question-gets-closed. It looks to be an outstanding issue that is currently being pursued. The meta sites (like this one) are meant to help ferret out issues w/in a given site, or in meta.se, to improve on the software used across all the SE sites and overall policies &amp; procedures. This is probably more than you're looking for, esp. since being new, but thought you might find it interesting." CreationDate="2015-06-09T04:06:33.330" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="5456" PostId="3548" Score="0" Text="@BentDreams - ^^^ BTW our highest rep'd user on this site has posted a bounty on that Q that I linked to as well. It's definitely a issue to new users (not getting notified). It's an old Q but perhaps more attention on it would help get some movement as to getting it implemented. One of the A'ers there links to userscript extensions you can install on Chrome/Firefox that will facilitate you getting notified if your Q is closed. Doesn't really help, except for the ppl that have a lot of initiative to install it, but it's better than nothing." CreationDate="2015-06-09T04:15:09.607" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="5457" PostId="3550" Score="0" Text="Interesting... unfortunately that was the entire point of the question. I was trying to get confirmation that the array was configured improperly so that I could ensure that my understanding of the premise was accurate and give me the confidence to be forceful about doing it again. Ultimately my toolbox got a bit bigger as I start working with Linux again after several years away from sys admin work, but unfortunately their competence got worse as they ended up delivering the system the third time with the entire array configured RAID 1." CreationDate="2015-06-12T04:51:36.247" UserId="118358" />
  <row Id="5458" PostId="3550" Score="0" Text="@BentDreams I reread your post (but skipped the disc detail numbers. Maybe I am (again) not reading correctly, but what seems to be missing from any of the incarnations of your post was: &quot;How do I get more disc space of my array available?&quot;. For me that is now, with your comment here, clear, but originally it was way too implicit and **it still is** (implicit in posting the two optons, until then a reader of your post has no clue that you actually want to repartition)" CreationDate="2015-06-12T05:15:29.547" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="5459" PostId="3555" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the advice and suggestion!" CreationDate="2015-06-13T14:29:40.907" UserId="44356" />
  <row Id="5460" PostId="3557" Score="1" Text="Wouldn't it be easier to just comma-separate them or something?" CreationDate="2015-06-17T15:01:04.133" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="5461" PostId="3557" Score="0" Text="@MichaelMrozek That is certainly visual easier to recognize. and probably better understandable without explanation. If there is no other/better suggestion I will change it that way (and my other answers where I used just juxtaposed keyboard characters)." CreationDate="2015-06-17T17:05:26.560" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="5462" PostId="3560" Score="1" Text="+1 for getting what I am talking about ! Also thanks for giving a good workaround ! I still think it would be easier (more usable &amp; more intuitive) if the edit button gave a popup rather than we figuring out some arcane process (( or if the edit button popup gave your workaround &quot;You cannot edit this. In case you want the source, try this . . . .&quot;, that would be better than current behaviour ))" CreationDate="2015-06-19T11:14:08.287" UserId="54246" />
  <row Id="5468" PostId="3560" Score="2" Text="@Prem as far as I know, the only time the edit button is disabled is when there is a pending suggested edit. That is not very common so you should be able to see the source for the vast majority of posts. I don't think a popup would be worth the effort and overhead.The only other case I know are questions on meta and, again, those are far fewer than the ones on the main site." CreationDate="2015-06-20T12:07:27.357" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5469" PostId="3562" Score="0" Text="Helpful conclusion" CreationDate="2015-06-20T12:28:27.307" UserId="66803" />
  <row Id="5470" PostId="3560" Score="0" Text="@terdon , no problem , I will use the workaround by muru for those rare cases." CreationDate="2015-06-20T13:09:15.610" UserId="54246" />
  <row Id="5471" PostId="3555" Score="1" Text="I should come up with an python answer whenever i found questions which has text-processing tag." CreationDate="2015-06-21T12:05:16.113" UserId="56901" />
  <row Id="5472" PostId="3563" Score="1" Text="Try not to take the DV's personally like that. They serve 2 primary functions. To help sort the A'ers from most valuable to least and to give feedback to the A'er if they have any glaring inaccuracies. Most people will undo DV's and reverse them once you make corrections, some ppl will not do this. This is just the price you pay for putting things out in the open for anyone to comment on. Remember there's a bell curve of personalities in the world. Try not to let it ruin your day 8-)." CreationDate="2015-06-21T13:09:58.300" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="5473" PostId="3564" Score="0" Text="Just to make clear I never intended to give the impression that that information where my words/know-how, and the reason why I have my own answer is because of if I remember the upvotes came after the downvotes + people either commenting or including in the answer that I shouldn't log in as root to ssh. I didn't want to accept an answer with all that hype about key's. And as the response was negative I investigated it my self as you rightfully point out(lack of research) although sometimes I think about the words in here about this becoming an database/resource with anwers to....." CreationDate="2015-06-21T14:07:35.503" UserId="36440" />
  <row Id="5474" PostId="3564" Score="0" Text="specific problems and if that could be useful in here even though many others have posted on other sites. Thank you for answering my outburst of unseen magnitude of anger and frustration. I'll go back now and edit the answer as it seems to others that I am taking credit for the information." CreationDate="2015-06-21T14:09:52.203" UserId="36440" />
  <row Id="5475" PostId="3564" Score="0" Text="Also at some time I had one of those answers you mention accepted but wanted to give a more thorough answer." CreationDate="2015-06-21T14:14:58.240" UserId="36440" />
  <row Id="5477" PostId="3563" Score="1" Text="I'm curious: what does your rebellion involve?" CreationDate="2015-06-21T14:21:40.557" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="5479" PostId="3564" Score="0" Text="@muru indeed it doesn't sorry, fixed." CreationDate="2015-06-21T14:24:12.723" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5481" PostId="3563" Score="0" Text="Just some crazy idea, also maybe do the oppisite of other rebellions instead of fighting, just bring back &quot;peace and love&quot; like when my parents where young. I'll bet that would make terdon really angry." CreationDate="2015-06-21T14:26:21.667" UserId="36440" />
  <row Id="5482" PostId="3564" Score="4" Text="@somethingSomething I am absolutely certain you never wanted to present someone else's work as your own. You've been active here for quite a while and have always been an exemplary user. I know you didn't mean to, I'm just saying you did so, quite probably inadvertently. That's why it's important to use quote blocks on quoted text. The security warnings were 100% true and valid, don't ignore them, but anyway, you had three answers that didn't mention the security issues, you could have accepted any one of them." CreationDate="2015-06-21T14:28:19.430" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5483" PostId="3564" Score="1" Text="@somethingSomething As for being a wiki-style resource, well yes, but not of _everything_. We expect users to search and try before asking. You could have at least searched through the site itself, as you see I have now closed it as a duplicate. I can understand wanting to give a more thorough answer, that is indeed sometimes a good reason to write your own. Just next time, make it clear that your quotes are quotes :)" CreationDate="2015-06-21T14:29:33.337" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5484" PostId="3564" Score="0" Text="Thanks............." CreationDate="2015-06-21T14:30:39.190" UserId="36440" />
  <row Id="5485" PostId="3563" Score="0" Text="Oy! I'm no hippie basher, I'm a deadhead for heaven's sake! :) Why would I be angered by &quot;peace and love&quot; o_O ?" CreationDate="2015-06-21T14:30:54.807" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5486" PostId="3563" Score="0" Text="@terdon heehehhe" CreationDate="2015-06-21T14:31:11.607" UserId="36440" />
  <row Id="5487" PostId="3563" Score="0" Text="@muru I deleted the first comment didn't mean anything and I haven't slept for 24 hours, just drove home from summer-house with my mother. But the rebellions agenda is in above comment." CreationDate="2015-06-21T14:50:07.513" UserId="36440" />
  <row Id="5488" PostId="3563" Score="1" Text="@slm Also the thing was that I got overwhelmed by the downvotes and people almost banging me in the head with ssh-key-gestapo but the biggest factor/conclusion is that I admit to it being a-great-example of not-enough research before asking, but I'm not lying about reading somewhere of building an all questions/answers resource/database in here so I was not expecting the response I got. But to make it bad, it turns out it's a dupe....... well I think I go to sleep now. Thank's again slm/terdon I'm relatively new but this site means alot to me.... so I promise to be at my best as much as I can." CreationDate="2015-06-21T15:36:55.783" UserId="36440" />
  <row Id="5489" PostId="3566" Score="0" Text="Asking here is probably the best place to ask this Q in its current form. You might want to try running Skype via `strace` to see what calls it's attempting to make." CreationDate="2015-06-24T04:25:17.200" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="5491" PostId="3566" Score="0" Text="Actually, I don't have a Skype account.  The popup relates to creating a Skype account (it's from within Outlook.com).  I'm still a novice in Linux.  If strace would be useful with Outlook.com, how would I run it?  By &quot;here&quot;, are you referring to the Meta site or the main site?" CreationDate="2015-06-24T04:31:59.750" UserId="85417" />
  <row Id="5492" PostId="3566" Score="0" Text="Found some instructions on strace.  Watched the browser load, Outlook.com load, and the popup appear.  None of that affected strace; just the same cycle of polling." CreationDate="2015-06-24T04:49:42.747" UserId="85417" />
  <row Id="5493" PostId="3566" Score="0" Text="This is an issue to take up with Microsoft; it is also something that would probably breach the outlook.com EULA." CreationDate="2015-06-24T07:18:52.557" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="5494" PostId="3566" Score="0" Text="@jasonwryan: Microsoft was the first route I tried but wasn't able to get in touch with anyone.  I suspect the problem is with the Java version used in Linux (Microsoft isn't in the Linux support business).  Not sure of your meaning about the EULA.  Outlook.com is a web service available to anyone who is able to access it.  Microsoft makes no promises that your browser, Java version, etc. will work with it." CreationDate="2015-06-24T07:33:56.660" UserId="85417" />
  <row Id="5495" PostId="3566" Score="0" Text="@slm:  I posted the question: http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/3568/request-for-information-from-debian-ubuntu-mint-derivatives-users.  Let me know if it needs to be modified." CreationDate="2015-06-24T07:37:28.860" UserId="85417" />
  <row Id="5496" PostId="3566" Score="0" Text="It may be accessible to anyone, but it still comes with [terms and conditions](http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/microsoft-services-agreement)..." CreationDate="2015-06-24T07:42:31.070" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="5497" PostId="3566" Score="0" Text="@jasonwryan: I scoured the EULA and couldn't find anything that would be an issue.  Then it dawned on me that you're probably referring to trying to bypass the Skype signup.  If so, the issue is that the Skype popup behavior is not service-related, it's a bug.  The web site works properly in Windows and that does not appear.  Microsoft isn't forcing people to sign up for Skype.  That popup is just a convenience for people who wish to.  It isn't working properly in Linux." CreationDate="2015-06-24T07:55:49.257" UserId="85417" />
  <row Id="5498" PostId="3566" Score="0" Text="Never assume, with MS, that aberrent behaviour is neither intentional nor, particularly where Linux users are concerned, benign..." CreationDate="2015-06-24T08:03:12.490" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="5500" PostId="3552" Score="0" Text="Input and output" CreationDate="2015-06-24T18:10:33.843" UserId="65333" />
  <row Id="5503" PostId="3573" Score="5" Text="You do realise that signing off as &quot;Future Mod&quot; is the surest way to guarantee that no-one will vote for you?" CreationDate="2015-06-25T19:50:25.093" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="5505" PostId="3573" Score="0" Text="@jasonwryan I have no problem stating my intentions here as I'm only asking for advice. As for my technical prowess that reputation should speak for itself" CreationDate="2015-06-25T21:05:15.760" UserId="64157" />
  <row Id="5506" PostId="3573" Score="1" Text="I took out the signature since it's just deflecting from your question(s)." CreationDate="2015-06-26T08:07:14.667" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="5507" PostId="3575" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the focus.  The nature of this question has evolved as I learn more about it.  It would have been easier to pick a site if I already knew the answer." CreationDate="2015-06-26T15:01:29.610" UserId="85417" />
  <row Id="5508" PostId="3577" Score="7" Text="In at least one edit, I saw you inject opinion (addition of &quot;and unsuccessfully&quot; into a sentence), changing the tone of the authors words." CreationDate="2015-06-29T14:16:35.593" UserId="53706" />
  <row Id="5509" PostId="3579" Score="0" Text="Wow -- nice job.  However, while I agree that Melj should accept that his/her edits were rightfully rejected, I think you are jumping to conclusions that this is really consciously political.  It *could* be, but it could also be a sort of confused fixation about technical terminology with a pretty goofy fix -- making up completely new terms to replace ones you see as too ambiguous." CreationDate="2015-07-02T12:56:38.210" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="5510" PostId="3579" Score="0" Text="@goldilocks I'm saying that pushing GNU/Linux over Linux is a political issue and should be left at the discretion of the post's author. It may or may not have been consciously political on the part of Melj, but the issue most certainly is and we, as a site, do not take a stand on it." CreationDate="2015-07-02T13:00:18.480" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5511" PostId="3578" Score="1" Text="I'd accept an edit that changed some uses of &quot;operating system&quot; to &quot;operating system distribution&quot;, but I don't think everyone else has to.  I would not accept &quot;operating system&quot; -&gt; &quot;system distribution&quot; because that's a fake (as in made-up), near meaningless term." CreationDate="2015-07-02T13:01:53.437" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="5512" PostId="3579" Score="1" Text="I don't think &quot;Linux&quot; -&gt; &quot;GNU/Linux&quot; is a big deal but it is totally unnecessary; the former is really a colloquialism when applied to a whole OS.  I think the more serious issue here is &quot;operating system&quot; -&gt; &quot;system distribution&quot; and &quot;universal system&quot;.  As you say, what is a &quot;universal system&quot;?  It could be almost anything.  The correct term is *operating system* and it is kind of bizarre someone would want to change that... which is why I think it may be just a stubborn confusion, and not a political agenda -- whose agenda does a &quot;universal system&quot; serve, lol?" CreationDate="2015-07-02T13:08:05.557" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="5513" PostId="3579" Score="0" Text="Put another way, Melj may not see the supposed politics here at all; even the &quot;and unsuccessfully&quot; could mean just that -- this is not necessarily because anyone objects to the term &quot;GNU/Linux&quot; (pretty sure they don't) but simply because of laziness and ignorance leading to a convention.   So like, &quot;Bob tried to promote proper use of language -- but slang prevailed&quot;.    That still makes the addition inappropriate editorializing, but it is not necessarily a political argument." CreationDate="2015-07-02T13:16:08.933" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="5514" PostId="3580" Score="0" Text="For future reference, if you're flagging things wrong they'll get declined, and the site will tell you about it the next time you try to flag" CreationDate="2015-07-02T15:42:47.810" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="5515" PostId="3579" Score="1" Text="@goldilocks fair enough. I reread this and you're right, I was seeing a political intent where there may well not have been one. I've removed those sections of my answer." CreationDate="2015-07-02T16:13:10.693" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5516" PostId="3583" Score="0" Text="Ok, thank you for the clarifications." CreationDate="2015-07-04T14:41:18.063" UserId="111878" />
  <row Id="5517" PostId="3583" Score="0" Text="(0) “Sure there is; you can leave them a comment to this effect.”  But, if you write a comment and @ ping the submitter of a *rejected* submitted edit, does he get notified?  (1) “This has the side effect of showing the new answerer what we expect on this site in terms of effort when providing an answer.”  ***OR*** it has the side effect of teaching the new answerer that he can post low-quality answers, his fairy godmother will come along and fix them, and then he will get credit (rep) from her work.  … (Cont’d)" CreationDate="2015-07-06T09:00:13.037" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="5518" PostId="3583" Score="0" Text="(Cont’d) …  “One other trick we have up our sleeve here, is that moderators can actually merge answers in extreme cases.”  Maybe I’m just being dense, but I don’t see how this relates to this question.  @lcd047 is asking about the case where a (&lt;2000) user wants to pile everything and the kitchen sink into one answer, and the reviewer wants to suggest that there should be separate answers.  If a mod could split one answer into several, that would be relevant.  The ability to merge seems to run counter to what the OP is asking here.  … (Cont’d)" CreationDate="2015-07-06T09:01:21.663" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="5519" PostId="3583" Score="0" Text="(Cont’d) …  “So anyone that's gained … [2000 rep] … can edit, without … review.  This last bit, IMO, really emphasizes the point that the Stack Exchange engine really wants people to edit and improve existing answers, rather than add their own.”  You’re certainly entitled to your opinion, but I don’t understand how you can rationalize that one.  IMO, the fact that SE grants privilege to users based on how much rep they have earned indicates that the machine wants people to add their own answers ***so they can earn rep***.  … (Cont’d)" CreationDate="2015-07-06T09:02:16.143" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="5520" PostId="3583" Score="0" Text="(Cont’d) …  It would make sense if the editor(s) who contributed to a high-quality post got some credit, but I don’t see how that could be done in a fair way.  E.g., you might say “whenever a post gets an upvote, the author gets (5 or 10) points, and each unique editor gets *(some number)*.”  But then, whenever a high-roller (e.g., you) posted a great post, newbies would jump on it and make tiny grammatical / formatting edits in order to get the trickle-down rep.  (And there might be an issue with downvotes resulting from contentious edits that subtly corrupt the logic of the post or its POV.)" CreationDate="2015-07-06T09:03:12.770" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="5521" PostId="3579" Score="0" Text="To clarify my edits were intended to remove mentions of GNU in a discussion about kernels. The political framing was unintentional. As for operating systems and kernels they are often the same thing and it is false that (for example) a text editor is part of the operating system. Such ambiguity is what I was trying to remove. GNU was attempting to make an entire system of free software for example, not an operating system. The fact that they redefined the term is confusing enough without Microsoft and Apple doing similar things." CreationDate="2015-07-07T20:16:19.537" UserDisplayName="user121246" />
  <row Id="5522" PostId="3578" Score="0" Text="How is system distribution a made up term? http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.en.html" CreationDate="2015-07-07T20:18:26.237" UserDisplayName="user121246" />
  <row Id="5523" PostId="3579" Score="0" Text="I cannot find my reference but RMS was lobbying for distributions to call themselves GNU/Linux for a few years, and was repeatedly turned down, before Debian agreed." CreationDate="2015-07-07T20:20:12.930" UserDisplayName="user121246" />
  <row Id="5524" PostId="3586" Score="0" Text="Hey, help me out here http://unix.stackexchange.com/q/214640/84855 . I took every precaution to avoid asking the wrong question at the wrong place. But still I got the downvotes. Where did things go wrong?" CreationDate="2015-07-08T17:26:03.270" UserId="84855" />
  <row Id="5525" PostId="3586" Score="0" Text="People with &gt;= 125 rep but &lt; 250 rep can downvote but not close vote and are less likely to understand the purpose of various mechanisms, so may downvote because they *think* something is off-topic, I guess.   Why whatever happened there happened so fast is a bit baffling, there are plenty of worse questions on a regular basis that get no downvotes at all even after hours and days." CreationDate="2015-07-08T17:44:45.657" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="5526" PostId="3579" Score="1" Text="@CaruniMelj no, OSs and kernels are [_not_ the same thing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_system). At all. A kernel is [part of an OS](http://superuser.com/q/329442/) but it's not an OS itself. None of your edits removed GNU (which would also have been a bad edit) they either left GNU and changed the meaning or _added_ GNU. A text editor can be part of an OS if it comes bundled with it. An OS is a collection of software. But why is that relevant? Where was a text editor mentioned? GNU was/is specifically trying to make an OS. It says so right there on GNU.org, why are you insisting?" CreationDate="2015-07-12T10:54:06.593" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5527" PostId="3579" Score="0" Text="@CaruniMelj  And yes, RMS wanted GNU/Linux. That's his choice; we don't take a position on that, each author here may use the term they prefer and editing to insert one or the other is not appropriate." CreationDate="2015-07-12T10:57:44.940" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5529" PostId="3591" Score="1" Text="I'd suggest also looking at Gilles' answers, he has a very good inventory of well written A'ers. Don't just read them, look at how they're structured. Also go back to when he first started answering, and pay attention to how his style has evolved. Do that for others here, you'll start to notice that many of us were pretty bad in the beginning but then started to hit our strides. Here's Gilles' 1st answers: http://unix.stackexchange.com/users/885/gilles?tab=answers&amp;sort=newest&amp;page=202. You can move through them by clicking the paginated links in reverse order." CreationDate="2015-07-18T19:14:45.817" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="5531" PostId="3593" Score="2" Text="That's not a bug with [unix.se]. You should report this either on [meta.space.se] or on [meta.se]. Except that it's already been reported on the main meta: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/229363/exclude-tex-se-question-titles-from-mathjax-parsing-in-hot-network-questions" CreationDate="2015-07-22T21:24:25.247" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="5532" PostId="3593" Score="1" Text="Going to close since it's already reported on the main meta" CreationDate="2015-07-23T01:19:37.643" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="5533" PostId="3592" Score="0" Text="@scott - thanks. Not sure what happened w/ the bullet list there. I had it but it as a list but it looks like it got munged on the save." CreationDate="2015-07-23T06:14:40.000" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="5534" PostId="3591" Score="1" Text="I think that's called the [XY problem](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/66377/what-is-the-xy-problem)." CreationDate="2015-07-23T22:43:39.977" UserId="16404" />
  <row Id="5535" PostId="3595" Score="0" Text="Was there ever a bounty on this Q?" CreationDate="2015-07-24T02:09:01.193" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="5536" PostId="3595" Score="0" Text="I don't think so. As if! XD" CreationDate="2015-07-24T02:09:45.077" UserId="28697" />
  <row Id="5537" PostId="3595" Score="0" Text="Yeah I didn't see one for its timeline either, so it's something else. I'll go ask about it upstairs. This is why I asked about bounty: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/44114/cannot-mark-accepted-answer-for-one-of-my-questions." CreationDate="2015-07-24T02:10:25.840" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="5538" PostId="3595" Score="0" Text="Get any errors when you try to?" CreationDate="2015-07-24T02:14:19.063" UserDisplayName="user52555" />
  <row Id="5539" PostId="3595" Score="0" Text="No, I just don't see the gray tickmark. So I can't select it." CreationDate="2015-07-24T02:14:57.150" UserId="28697" />
  <row Id="5540" PostId="3595" Score="0" Text="Try it from a different browser?" CreationDate="2015-07-24T02:15:29.670" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="5541" PostId="3595" Score="0" Text="Chrome 39 and IE 11." CreationDate="2015-07-24T02:17:08.990" UserId="28697" />
  <row Id="5542" PostId="3595" Score="1" Text="@dmvianna - are you using the Daniel account? That's a diff. acct. than what you're posting to us here with." CreationDate="2015-07-24T02:29:29.540" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="5543" PostId="3595" Score="0" Text="I'm deeply embarrassed. My mistake. :P" CreationDate="2015-07-24T03:08:27.827" UserId="28697" />
  <row Id="5544" PostId="3595" Score="0" Text="And yet I still have this nagging feeling that I posted that question." CreationDate="2015-07-24T03:10:11.063" UserId="28697" />
  <row Id="5545" PostId="3595" Score="0" Text="Totally [different](http://stackexchange.com/users/1597550/dmvianna) [account](http://stackexchange.com/users/131478/daniel), and they don't have any similarities that would suggest you accidentally have two" CreationDate="2015-07-24T04:17:55.717" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="5546" PostId="3595" Score="0" Text="Yes, this is not my account. My concern is whether the migration accidentally assigned the question to the wrong Daniel. I know it sounds unlikely. I also know human memory is unreliable." CreationDate="2015-07-24T04:20:51.603" UserId="28697" />
  <row Id="5547" PostId="3587" Score="0" Text="I hate to agree with the selected answer, but I must admit there are 2 cases when this occurs: 1. Users don't use the Search Box, located in their reputation bar, or 2. Even though a users question fits a particular case to make it stand out, questions often omit those details.  In Case 1, users rewrite the same question.  In Case 2, use the third option @slm suggests, and please don't let our somewhat tough attitudes deter you from earning reputation here.  I personally like seeing new active contributers." CreationDate="2015-07-24T19:24:44.890" UserId="64157" />
  <row Id="5548" PostId="3597" Score="1" Text="+1 for the spoon analogy. I wasn't sure how to help him further. If people feel there's a nugget of a good Q in what he's asking I encourage you to edit it to try and flesh it out. I generally will rewrite Q's and A'ers like this 1 to help the situation out, and 2 to help show new users what our expectations are for Q&amp;A. In this case, there's several directions to go w/ this and wasn't sure how to help this user either." CreationDate="2015-07-26T03:05:37.007" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="5549" PostId="3597" Score="0" Text="As to the dup of closed, we've done this several times in the past where the OP has asked a Q, and then had it closed, then reposts another (same Q) which is then closed. This feels like how that part of the system should work (at least in this set of circumstances). It's annoying but again, w/o a more fleshed out Q it's hard to provide assistance w/in the space of the SE Q&amp;A format. For that level of assistance, for a kind soul willing to help a user out, the private chats via comments is our best option, IMO. But I'm open to suggestions." CreationDate="2015-07-26T03:08:12.113" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="5550" PostId="3573" Score="0" Text="If we were to have EOL-tags for older versions, we'd need to spend time re-tagging questions when versions get EOL:ed." CreationDate="2015-07-26T17:41:20.530" UserId="21109" />
  <row Id="5551" PostId="3573" Score="0" Text="@JennyD What's wrong with that??  The purpose of the tag is/was to get readers to become early to middle adopters of their OS.  So many questions I see here, from &quot;I need to compile ...&quot; to &quot;My ... isn't supported.&quot; could be fixed if readers would at least attempt to follow the upgrade path offered by their particular distribution." CreationDate="2015-07-26T18:01:40.213" UserId="64157" />
  <row Id="5552" PostId="3573" Score="0" Text="@eyoung100 A change that generates a lot of work should have a matching improvement in the usability of the site. I'm not sure this does. I'm also not sure that the purpose of this site is to make people upgrade their OSes." CreationDate="2015-07-26T18:19:03.723" UserId="21109" />
  <row Id="5553" PostId="3573" Score="0" Text="@JennyD  I'm not making people upgrade.  The choice is still theirs to make, but I'd like that option.  Consider the other extreme: Do you know anyone still using Windows 3.1/Win95?  At some point, the work required to keep an OS that old going outweighs the level of usefulness.  The same applies to any OS.  While it's the users choice when the scale tips,  I have no problem being blunt and telling a user it's time to upgrade in order to help them start the &quot;tipping&quot; process." CreationDate="2015-07-26T18:29:33.517" UserId="64157" />
  <row Id="5554" PostId="3573" Score="0" Text="You said that the point of the tags is to get readers to adopt later versions of their OS... (And yes, I actually do know a few persons using Win95. They have their reasons. Personally, I don't use Windows at all, though.) But note that I'm not arguing against you, I am merely not convinced by *your* arguments." CreationDate="2015-07-26T20:25:03.030" UserId="21109" />
  <row Id="5555" PostId="3573" Score="0" Text="@JennyD  That's fair, should I try to convince you via chat?" CreationDate="2015-07-26T20:33:46.460" UserId="64157" />
  <row Id="5556" PostId="3599" Score="0" Text="Normally those questions are already using a tool, they are not actually asking &quot;how to X&quot;, but &quot;I'm trying to do X with Y, and have Z problem&quot;, which normally should be tagged Y. Unsure who are we supposed to tag the ones that are *tabula rasa* problem statements, through I'm not too preoccupied about those. Do you have example of questions where existing tags aren't appropiated?" CreationDate="2015-08-16T19:54:02.670" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="5557" PostId="3598" Score="1" Text="The 10k list does show posts deleted by other people besides Community, but doesn't show posts deleted by their owner (since that sort of thing doesn't normally require oversight; if somebody wants to delete their post they can feel free)" CreationDate="2015-08-16T20:00:41.533" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="5558" PostId="3599" Score="0" Text="@Braiam, not sure what you mean. I've added a few links to real examples." CreationDate="2015-08-16T20:03:45.317" UserId="22565" />
  <row Id="5559" PostId="3599" Score="0" Text="Actually, most of the questions tagged [tag:date] are about date manipulation and not the `date` utility specifically, so I suggest we change the scope of that tag, shall we?" CreationDate="2015-08-16T20:25:22.397" UserId="22565" />
  <row Id="5560" PostId="3601" Score="0" Text="That's a bit of a separate though related issue. But I'd tend to agree. Now, there is a `time` command, but people tend to use the `time` keyword of their shell instead (not a command). Maybe all of `time`, `date`, `clock` could be merged. Though that would cover quite distant notions." CreationDate="2015-08-19T19:56:04.040" UserId="22565" />
  <row Id="5561" PostId="3603" Score="14" Text="Split personality syndrome? Anyway, upvoted." CreationDate="2015-08-21T23:37:59.180" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="5562" PostId="3604" Score="6" Text="I mean, it pretty clearly *is* a distro, although I don't entirely understand all the terrible Kali questions we've been seeing lately" CreationDate="2015-08-22T01:45:29.317" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="5563" PostId="3605" Score="0" Text="I'll adapt my message!  Done!  You didn't forget to vote I hope?" CreationDate="2015-08-22T09:03:00.237" UserId="90054" />
  <row Id="5564" PostId="3605" Score="17" Text="+1, that made be laugh so hard :') Maybe we could consider sending them to Security Stack Exchange sometimes, I don't see why we should be the only ones suffering... After all, they have the tag too, on 95 questions. See also :http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/86353/hackoverflow" CreationDate="2015-08-24T18:31:10.997" UserId="41892" />
  <row Id="5565" PostId="3605" Score="8" Text="Notice, there are issues that don't have anything to do with the fact that the user is using Kali Linux (ie. shell usage, gnome, apt, etc.). The rule of thumb is: if you can't blame kali, nor the user, it may be a good question." CreationDate="2015-08-25T04:33:57.600" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="5566" PostId="3605" Score="3" Text="@Braiam a.k.a unicorn!" CreationDate="2015-08-25T04:57:56.840" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="5567" PostId="3605" Score="4" Text="@jasonwryan Ahem. Regarding line 1: They are more appropriate here, seeing the distro is not *an official derivative of Ubuntu*. AU doesn't care whether they based it off Ubuntu or Debian, but only whether it's listed in with the derivatives mentioned [here](https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases). Just commenting to clarify for anyone who might read it and think being based on Ubuntu might make them on-topic on AU." CreationDate="2015-08-25T14:01:50.697" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="5569" PostId="3605" Score="0" Text="6+15 = 21 Black jack!  I'll have someone post this on the chat wall in AU." CreationDate="2015-08-25T21:45:49.680" UserId="90054" />
  <row Id="5570" PostId="3545" Score="0" Text="The reasonable rule is to keep the last non-blank character of the prompt string that was originally posted, be it `%`, `$`, or `#`." CreationDate="2015-08-26T06:27:26.863" UserId="23408" />
  <row Id="5571" PostId="3604" Score="3" Text="@MichaelMrozek It's a gateway drug." CreationDate="2015-08-26T08:26:56.293" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="5572" PostId="3605" Score="1" Text="I've flagged this post because of that last line (&quot;flowery and suggestive prose&quot;).  You do know about [the carrot](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offensive_Security_Certified_Professional)?  It is not free as in beer either." CreationDate="2015-08-26T08:28:58.393" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="5573" PostId="3605" Score="1" Text="@goldilocks I wasn't aware that flowery and suggestive prose was verboten here..." CreationDate="2015-08-26T08:48:41.580" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="5574" PostId="3605" Score="1" Text="Yes.  We has all your bases." CreationDate="2015-08-26T08:59:51.720" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="5576" PostId="3605" Score="0" Text="Jason: you should have tons of hands helping you at the pump by now...  Dry yet???  **;-)**" CreationDate="2015-08-28T23:35:43.110" UserId="90054" />
  <row Id="5577" PostId="3605" Score="1" Text="The tag description says: &quot;If your question is a general one and you just happen to be using Kali, this tag should not be applied.&quot; So it is not appropriate to systematically have them all tagged [tag:kali-linux]." CreationDate="2015-08-29T08:55:09.363" UserId="68601" />
  <row Id="5578" PostId="3605" Score="6" Text="@JohnWHSmith Do NOT send them to [security.se]. The Kali Linux questions I see on [unix.se] are almost always newbie administration or usage questions. The Kali Linux questions I see on [security.se] are often administration or usage questions as well, and they are off-topic on Sec.SE." CreationDate="2015-08-29T17:08:11.130" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="5582" PostId="3608" Score="1" Text="Not the question you asked--but I'll say &quot;good on you&quot; for using linux tools in Windows. It's good for your diversity of professional skills, it may someday pay-off for you." CreationDate="2015-08-29T18:04:20.253" UserId="129403" />
  <row Id="5583" PostId="3608" Score="0" Text="I do not mind a question like this. You might be looking for xargs, which according to https://github.com/bmatzelle/gow/wiki/executables_list should be available in gow as well. `sha1sum * | sort | uniq -D -c 40 | xargs rm` will remove the files." CreationDate="2015-08-30T13:47:06.130" UserId="78091" />
  <row Id="5584" PostId="3608" Score="0" Text="Or do you want to keep exactly one file of each collection of files identified by a unique sha1sum?" CreationDate="2015-08-30T13:55:56.227" UserId="78091" />
  <row Id="5585" PostId="3605" Score="0" Text="@Gilles Unfortunately... I was sharing jasonwryan's hope of an independent community as well, but the Hack Overflow proposal was recently closed as &quot;not a viable proposal&quot; on Area51. [Another proposal](http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/90597/codebreakers-codehackers-hackoverflow) was made 2 days ago but it doesn't seem to cover the same scope, and is, to me, just as unlikely to be seen as &quot;viable&quot;." CreationDate="2015-08-30T18:33:34.070" UserId="41892" />
  <row Id="5586" PostId="3603" Score="1" Text="Kali is as evil as it sounds" CreationDate="2015-08-30T21:46:36.927" UserId="100597" />
  <row Id="5587" PostId="3614" Score="0" Text="And what should I write if I mean Unix/Linux/BSD/Solaris/AIX/HP-UX/Xenix/Minix/Cygwin/...?" CreationDate="2015-08-31T06:18:57.797" UserId="23408" />
  <row Id="5588" PostId="3614" Score="0" Text="@Scott Write Unix or unix." CreationDate="2015-08-31T07:27:30.390" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="5589" PostId="3608" Score="0" Text="I recommend looking at gitbash for windows from git-scm.com It atleast comes with bash grep ask sed perl git and some other basics, So for general purpose command line tools on windows, that was my goto (untill switching to linux)" CreationDate="2015-08-31T19:03:07.750" UserId="61349" />
  <row Id="5590" PostId="3620" Score="0" Text="Sounds like the tags have been made &quot;synonyms&quot;, so the site automatically replaces it. I'd check, but not sure how to on mobile..." CreationDate="2015-09-02T14:00:57.220" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="5591" PostId="3621" Score="0" Text="Good to know new feature - never heard of synonyms; However, since passwd is tool for setting password, and password can refer to something else, I'm not sure if that's desirable behaviour. They even have different descriptions." CreationDate="2015-09-02T15:12:33.837" UserId="129998" />
  <row Id="5592" PostId="3621" Score="0" Text="@MatthewRock if you want to argue the synonym, that belongs in another question." CreationDate="2015-09-02T15:13:07.137" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="5593" PostId="3621" Score="0" Text="Okay then. Thanks for information." CreationDate="2015-09-02T15:13:43.947" UserId="129998" />
  <row Id="5594" PostId="3621" Score="0" Text="Note: [the synonym was removed](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/a/3623/23408) about 20 minutes after the above discussion occurred." CreationDate="2015-09-02T19:02:57.697" UserId="23408" />
  <row Id="5595" PostId="3614" Score="0" Text="@Scott Unix-like?" CreationDate="2015-09-04T01:55:45.447" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="5596" PostId="3614" Score="0" Text="@muru: But &quot;Unix&quot; is a noun, and so any euphemism for it would need to be a noun, too.  Also, Linux, BSD, Solaris, AIX, HP-UX, Xenix, Minix, and Cygwin, etc..., are nouns.  &quot;Unix-like&quot; is an adjective.  Do you suggest that we should all say &quot;a Unix-like operating system&quot; every time I mean &quot;a Unix-like operating system&quot;?  That's too much typing." CreationDate="2015-09-04T03:03:34.393" UserId="23408" />
  <row Id="5597" PostId="3614" Score="0" Text="I think I just heard @Gilles volunteering to take the initiative to fix [the Unix &amp; Linux tour](http://i.stack.imgur.com/GZjGj.png)." CreationDate="2015-09-04T03:47:29.577" UserId="23408" />
  <row Id="5598" PostId="3614" Score="0" Text="@Scott where you would once say `*nix systems`, say `Unix-like systems`. Or if you want it to sound like a band, *the Unix-likes*." CreationDate="2015-09-04T09:07:40.643" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="5599" PostId="3614" Score="0" Text="But the point is that I wouldn't want to say &quot;\*nix *systems*&quot;; I would want to say &quot;\*nix&quot;." CreationDate="2015-09-04T09:09:06.800" UserId="23408" />
  <row Id="5600" PostId="3628" Score="0" Text="three comments, one in bold, and you own edition of OP gave warning. looks more than enough for me." CreationDate="2015-09-04T13:18:20.533" UserId="79818" />
  <row Id="5601" PostId="3630" Score="6" Text="I leave downvotes for really poor answers/questions, or answers that are misleading. This wasn't the case, so I didn't downvote." CreationDate="2015-09-04T17:53:34.603" UserId="129998" />
  <row Id="5602" PostId="3630" Score="7" Text="@MatthewRock sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you had. I just wanted to point out that there's no reason to downvote." CreationDate="2015-09-04T17:54:45.550" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5603" PostId="3630" Score="5" Text="No need to apologize, I'm not offended. I wanted to point out I knew that :)" CreationDate="2015-09-04T18:10:00.560" UserId="129998" />
  <row Id="5605" PostId="3628" Score="0" Text="@jasonwryan The Darwin awards are funny, but to base community guidelines on survival of the fittest sounds like the worst features of Usenet - elitism and bullying." CreationDate="2015-09-05T11:19:21.480" UserId="3645" />
  <row Id="5607" PostId="3628" Score="2" Text="@l0b0 Dude: lighten up, it was (semi-) humorous... As others have pointed out, the question contains sufficient caution; anyone ignoring it qualifies for ridicule." CreationDate="2015-09-05T20:52:29.983" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="5608" PostId="3632" Score="0" Text="Virtual consoles are, as far as I know, just another name for the ttys1-7 (or so) and are dealt with in the dupe's answer and in the link provided. What am I missing?" CreationDate="2015-09-06T14:45:34.853" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5609" PostId="3632" Score="0" Text="@terdon: Which namely of **five answers** (2 in ”Computer terminal and virtual console“ and 3 in “What is the exact…”) gives an introduction to virtual consoles comparable to one just posted by me?" CreationDate="2015-09-06T14:57:13.517" UserId="80483" />
  <row Id="5610" PostId="3632" Score="0" Text="[This one](http://unix.stackexchange.com/a/4132/22222). If you feel your answer adds something more, just post it as an answer to the dupe target." CreationDate="2015-09-06T15:15:21.683" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5611" PostId="3632" Score="0" Text="@terdon: have not a definite opinion about it, yourself?" CreationDate="2015-09-06T15:16:47.867" UserId="80483" />
  <row Id="5612" PostId="3632" Score="0" Text="Personally, no, I don't see that you're adding much to Gille's answer. You're giving the same basic information expressed differently. Still, some people might find yours clearer or more useful so feel free to post it. I just don't see any reason to reopen the dupe." CreationDate="2015-09-06T15:19:23.517" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5613" PostId="3632" Score="0" Text="Ī̲ carefully read [Gilles’ answer](http://unix.stackexchange.com/a/4132/80483) in the “What is the exact…” thread. The only relevant piece found is *the name given to each particular tty can be “console”, ”virtual console”, ”virtual terminal”, and other variations* that definitely doesn’t answer the question asked in 2011 and wrongfully closed." CreationDate="2015-09-06T15:41:53.247" UserId="80483" />
  <row Id="5614" PostId="3633" Score="0" Text="Three questions at once? It’s true, but Ī̲ can answer this additional “text terminal / graphical terminal” stuff. Indeed, really Ī̲ ran once **two** `Xorg`s in two different VCs." CreationDate="2015-09-06T16:01:21.437" UserId="80483" />
  <row Id="5615" PostId="3633" Score="2" Text="@IncnisMrsi I'm sure you did, that's what they're there for after all :). My point is that 3 questions asked in a single post is already reason to close the post as too broad. There's no point in trying to get it reopened since--even if other people also agree that it isn't a dupe--it would still be closed as too broad. So, either post a new question, or add your answer to the dupe's target explaining that you will only focus on this part of the issue." CreationDate="2015-09-06T16:06:47.847" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5616" PostId="3633" Score="0" Text="OK, then approve the http://unix.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/105784 edit, please." CreationDate="2015-09-07T13:12:27.357" UserId="80483" />
  <row Id="5617" PostId="3633" Score="1" Text="@IncnisMrsi what? Why? Please leave that banner alone! It is pointing to the correct duplicate, why would you hijack that to make it point to your question?" CreationDate="2015-09-07T13:14:35.283" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5618" PostId="3633" Score="0" Text="You may hundred times say the word **DUPE**, but that doesn’t convince. Who was the moderator who closed the question with “duplicate”? Dunno.      If you don’t want me “hijacking” questions with near-expert-level answers (not generic VT/TTY fluff created without even reading the question up to its middle), then Ī̲ can withdraw with all disturbance (but with my expertise as well). Do you want it?" CreationDate="2015-09-07T13:52:26.630" UserId="80483" />
  <row Id="5619" PostId="3633" Score="1" Text="@IncnisMrsi why are you taking all this personally? You posted your question and a fine answer and all is good. What else do you want? And let's not spam the comments, please. Come into chat if you want to discuss this further." CreationDate="2015-09-07T13:54:01.193" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5620" PostId="3634" Score="0" Text="Even though it's a good advice, the homepage for GOW heavily cites Cygwin, so I believe the author is aware of that alternative. On a more objective view, the question was asking about validity of asking questions about *nix tools on Windows, not recommendation of packages of such tools. I would have waited until 50 reputation, so you could post this as a comment to the question, which would be more appropriate." CreationDate="2015-09-07T22:44:51.773" UserId="81286" />
  <row Id="5621" PostId="3641" Score="1" Text="He wasn't really copying answer - it looked like it was 100% his input - just redundant. I also wouldn't upvote an answer I don't find worth upvoting for the sake of &quot;positive downvoting&quot;. Option no. 2 seems the best, but I think that leaving it might be an option too. If he wants to get serious, he'll learn, after a while. I guess that many people(myself included) are used to forums - and SE has different philosophy, so it takes some time to get used to." CreationDate="2015-09-10T11:00:48.253" UserId="129998" />
  <row Id="5622" PostId="3642" Score="9" Text="If you have to ask it, the answer is yes." CreationDate="2015-09-10T17:44:20.973" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="5623" PostId="3642" Score="10" Text="Comes across like you're being helpful to me, or at least are trying to help the OP. Didn't really detect any negativity w/ what you've written." CreationDate="2015-09-10T18:10:18.713" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="5624" PostId="3642" Score="4" Text="I'm with slm on this. I don't see any signs of bitchiness whatsoever. I guess the OP would be the person to ask but as far as I can tell you're perfectly civil and helpful." CreationDate="2015-09-10T21:06:17.227" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5626" PostId="3642" Score="1" Text="Thanks everyone. And I am not in disagreement with @mikeserv either. I was on the fence, thus why I asked. Just trying not to be _THAT_ guy who is always a jerk..." CreationDate="2015-09-10T22:40:16.427" UserId="62481" />
  <row Id="5627" PostId="3642" Score="4" Text="I didn't say it was a bad thing, and I didn't even check to look into the post you were talking about. I don't mind being *THAT* guy - ask anybody. Sometimes you gotta bitch, and who can tolerate *everything*?" CreationDate="2015-09-10T22:57:32.313" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="5628" PostId="3643" Score="1" Text="...if caught, what do you lose?" CreationDate="2015-09-10T23:00:02.573" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="5629" PostId="3632" Score="1" Text="Who is this person &quot;Ī̲&quot; you are referencing to without prior introduction?" CreationDate="2015-09-11T07:29:35.547" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="5630" PostId="3641" Score="2" Text="“+1” for the **positive downvote** meme; excellent!" CreationDate="2015-09-11T12:27:33.630" UserId="80483" />
  <row Id="5631" PostId="3640" Score="0" Text="How many *knowledgeable* people are willing to spend their personal time for social-networky fuss of third-class importance? How knowledgeable would be those who are willing? Ī̲ vehemently oppose to conversion of SE to a social media like Wikipedia, with scores of do-nothing-of-use etiquette zealots distracting people from actual shortcomings and abuses. Sorry, nothing personal." CreationDate="2015-09-11T12:35:27.733" UserId="80483" />
  <row Id="5632" PostId="3640" Score="0" Text="I'm not concerned about your personal opinions on different sites' ways of handling things and whether you think they're relevant here. Anyway, did you downvote based on whether my reply addressed the actual question soliciting opinions, or just your personal dislike of my suggestion? You'll notice it's not prescriptive - and I specifically said I'm not an authority on matters like these. Take it or leave it. I'm not forcing you to become a Wikipedia bot or whatever you apparently think this is." CreationDate="2015-09-11T14:50:00.657" UserId="124753" />
  <row Id="5633" PostId="3640" Score="0" Text="There is nothing wrong with the question. But your proposed solution would encourage social fuss and, hence, compromise the wall defending SE from the outer incompetence." CreationDate="2015-09-11T14:58:11.003" UserId="80483" />
  <row Id="5634" PostId="3642" Score="2" Text="It's about Linux, so you need to ask yourself the question: &quot;What would Linus do?&quot;" CreationDate="2015-09-11T22:34:01.910" UserId="23692" />
  <row Id="5635" PostId="3644" Score="2" Text="Another question is why [se] allows a name to be set to this kind of text if I am not allowed to use that text to address the person. If that content is offending in some way, it is still showing up beneath questions." CreationDate="2015-09-12T13:18:16.623" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="5636" PostId="3645" Score="0" Text="The [first link](http://unix.stackexchange.com/q/9099/#comment384646_9099) is a link to the question itself, so it is implicitly  relevant, but also useless and irritating, because you can't see that self reference without following the link. I tried @ciro and see if there is a reaction" CreationDate="2015-09-12T13:38:46.637" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="5637" PostId="3645" Score="0" Text="@Anthon oh, I hadn't realized (which nicely proves your point). Still, some of the others are presumably relevant." CreationDate="2015-09-12T14:57:55.370" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5638" PostId="3645" Score="0" Text="Writing `@ciro` worked, the explanation was that the same three links were inserted in other comments as well." CreationDate="2015-09-12T17:56:42.110" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="5639" PostId="3648" Score="5" Text="The question can only be considered different if the OP states in his question that he tried to apply the existing answers and they didn't work for him because he's in a VM. When no evidence is present, [Occam's razor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor) applies." CreationDate="2015-09-14T10:25:12.237" UserId="106927" />
  <row Id="5640" PostId="3648" Score="1" Text="It's a good point. However, I don't believe I was one of there ppl who marked it duplicate." CreationDate="2015-09-14T13:55:50.413" UserId="62481" />
  <row Id="5641" PostId="3650" Score="0" Text="Please clarify: I recall reading the it's OK to ask a question on *one* SE site and also one or more non-SE sites.  Is that correct?" CreationDate="2015-09-14T15:41:03.303" UserId="23408" />
  <row Id="5642" PostId="3650" Score="3" Text="@Scott sure, non-se sites don't count. We can hardly demand that someone posts here and only here. Cross-posting only applies to multiple sites of SE" CreationDate="2015-09-14T15:45:19.353" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5643" PostId="3648" Score="1" Text="And after double checking (my memory isn't always so good) I can confirm I did not mark it as duplicate." CreationDate="2015-09-14T18:55:05.687" UserId="62481" />
  <row Id="5644" PostId="3648" Score="0" Text="@0xSheepdog Sorry to have implicated you erroneously as a duplicator :)  My point that the question shouldn't have been tagged as such, though, stands." CreationDate="2015-09-14T20:34:32.933" UserId="41341" />
  <row Id="5645" PostId="3648" Score="0" Text="@DmitryGrigoryev I believe you're missing the point.  The OP might have applied the existing answers, given up, and resigned himself to data loss, not realizing that there might be other options for recovering data from a virtual disk image.  If you're going to throw around philosophical heuristics, the appropriate ones here aren't Occam's Razor but [Grice's maxims of quantity and relation](http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~haroldfs/dravling/grice.html)." CreationDate="2015-09-14T22:02:28.923" UserId="41341" />
  <row Id="5646" PostId="3648" Score="1" Text="@dodgethesteamroller, In the hypothetical situation &quot;OP might have applied the existing answers, given up, and resigned himself to data loss&quot; the issue lies in the lack of communication from the OP who failed to read [the first paragraph of this page](http://unix.stackexchange.com/help/how-to-ask), not in the fact that other people are bitchy and unhelpful. So in a way he's also broken the maxim of quantity you're siting, by not providing information about what he tried before asking. A more probable situation, however, is that the OP didn't do any research and didn't try anything." CreationDate="2015-09-17T08:24:25.570" UserId="106927" />
  <row Id="5647" PostId="3642" Score="5" Text="Huh I was expecting an amusingly snarky post to review, and got ... a perfectly normal post without _any_ bitching, intolerance or snark whatsoever. It's not even borderline. Have I missed something?!" CreationDate="2015-09-17T11:32:12.537" UserId="66358" />
  <row Id="5652" PostId="3642" Score="1" Text="I seem to be in the minority, but I think his answer would be more appropriate as comments. A useful answer should provide specific details. That answer just says to use the normal file recovery procedures, but if the OP knew what those were he wouldn't have asked." CreationDate="2015-09-17T20:25:31.210" UserId="61098" />
  <row Id="5653" PostId="3653" Score="0" Text="But doesn't that invalidate an existing answer now?" CreationDate="2015-09-18T00:11:17.883" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="5654" PostId="3653" Score="2" Text="@muru true, but that answer basically states &quot;Wot? Both your examples work!&quot;. I felt it's not worth keeping a misleading question for that one answer of 4 years ago." CreationDate="2015-09-18T11:31:57.510" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5655" PostId="3653" Score="2" Text="@muru: I've sometimes cleaned things up on SO and left a small note at the bottom of the post explaining that the original version had this confusing other stuff, and that's what some of the comments are replying to.  So future readers don't have to take time to figure out what the comments are talking about, and know they can check the revision history if they're curious.  But they're also not distracted by a bunch of wrong / obsolete stuff in the post.  e.g. http://stackoverflow.com/a/776523/224132" CreationDate="2015-09-18T18:21:19.153" UserId="79808" />
  <row Id="5656" PostId="3653" Score="1" Text="@PeterCordes hmm. Maybe someone should edit in the misleading part as a quote to that answer." CreationDate="2015-09-18T18:22:49.197" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="5658" PostId="3657" Score="0" Text="Are you suggesting that configuring/administering a *nix system should be considered off topic?" CreationDate="2015-09-20T00:14:06.417" UserId="109842" />
  <row Id="5659" PostId="3657" Score="0" Text="@EricRenouf ??? I didn't write even any similar." CreationDate="2015-09-20T00:15:21.273" UserId="52236" />
  <row Id="5660" PostId="3657" Score="0" Text="I was just wondering why you would list a set of programming things as what should be allowed, these then are just additional topics that you think right now would be migrated to SO instead of left here then?" CreationDate="2015-09-20T00:18:19.650" UserId="109842" />
  <row Id="5661" PostId="3657" Score="0" Text="@EricRenouf Yes, they are currently closed or migrated to SO, although the help center says libc / posix things are ontopic even if they are about programming. Related meta posts have mainly a negative consensus in this question, this is what I would like to change." CreationDate="2015-09-20T00:20:08.127" UserId="52236" />
  <row Id="5662" PostId="3657" Score="0" Text="I agree with #3 -- that relates more to the internal design of Unix and Unix applications. But questions about how to write programs belong on SO, even if it's specific to Unix." CreationDate="2015-09-20T05:20:19.280" UserId="61098" />
  <row Id="5663" PostId="3657" Score="1" Text="@Barmar Then you agree to lose the experts of the area. I am really wondering, for example, why should we send a kernel developer to the SO." CreationDate="2015-09-20T14:10:53.643" UserId="52236" />
  <row Id="5664" PostId="3657" Score="2" Text="It's not a zero-sum game. Unix experts can participate on both forums: SO for programming questions, UL for design and usage questions." CreationDate="2015-09-20T16:38:01.360" UserId="61098" />
  <row Id="5665" PostId="3657" Score="0" Text="@Barmar No. Trivial scripting and tool/daemon configuration won't attract them. Maybe you should read that Area51 FAQ I've linked." CreationDate="2015-09-20T16:39:09.830" UserId="52236" />
  <row Id="5666" PostId="3657" Score="5" Text="I think that FAQ betrays an idealistic attitude about StackExchange sites that hasn't been achieved in general. When I first joined SO, I thought it was going to be expert (or at least experienced) programmers helping each other with challenging problems. I've since learned that at least 90% of the questions come from newbies needing everything spoon-fed to them. Yet the site hasn't failed due to lack of experts." CreationDate="2015-09-20T16:55:52.910" UserId="61098" />
  <row Id="5667" PostId="3657" Score="0" Text="@Barmar 1) SO is far over the critical mass needed for the long-term survival, unix SE isn't 2) There are a lot of high-level expert questions there as well, here it is forbidden 3) I think you didn't read the Area51 FAQ I've linked, maybe you should. 4) My argument is about the quality of the site, and not about its survival." CreationDate="2015-09-20T16:57:43.193" UserId="52236" />
  <row Id="5669" PostId="3657" Score="1" Text="@peterh no, Barmar is right in that FAQ is a bit idealistic. For example, another site which had a debate about &quot;expert&quot;ness is [english.se]: http://meta.english.stackexchange.com/questions/4491/this-is-not-a-site-for-serious-english-language-enthusiasts-and-it-never-will" CreationDate="2015-09-20T19:05:44.493" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="5670" PostId="3657" Score="0" Text="Also related: programming Ubuntu apps is on-topic on Ask Ubuntu (you'll see quite a few QML questions there). The on-topic section has the overly broad &quot;Development on Ubuntu&quot; line, but in practice, it usually comes out to allowing questions on Ubuntu-specific APIs." CreationDate="2015-09-20T19:11:18.630" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="5671" PostId="3657" Score="0" Text="@muru Your [comment](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/3657/an-argument-for-the-unix-specific-programming-questions-site-quality?noredirect=1#comment5670_3657) is completely unrelated to the subject, I would suggest to read the original post again. This post is not about the &quot;askubuntu&quot; site, this post is about that we shouldn't expel the experts to the SO." CreationDate="2015-09-20T20:23:22.333" UserId="52236" />
  <row Id="5672" PostId="3657" Score="0" Text="@muru (Reacting [this](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/3657/an-argument-for-the-unix-specific-programming-questions-site-quality?noredirect=1#comment5669_3657)) It is not about elitism, it is only about to not expelling the experts." CreationDate="2015-09-20T20:25:08.313" UserId="52236" />
  <row Id="5675" PostId="3657" Score="0" Text="@muru No. :-) Unfortunately, it is simply not clear to me, what is your stance about the expelling of the unix programmers from the Unix SE. You didn't make it clear in your 5 comments. Honestly, I really won't debate about askubuntu and other sites. I want to debate about the expelling of the programmers from the Unix SE." CreationDate="2015-09-20T20:30:59.993" UserId="52236" />
  <row Id="5676" PostId="3657" Score="0" Text="@peterh my stance is expressed by the upvote I made. The comments are pointers to how other Stack Exchange sites deal with this, so that we can learn from it, nothing more." CreationDate="2015-09-20T20:33:00.660" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="5677" PostId="3643" Score="0" Text="@mikeserv Probs are your friedliness." CreationDate="2015-09-20T21:37:03.087" UserId="98663" />
  <row Id="5678" PostId="3657" Score="0" Text="@muru Well, it seems I completely misunderstood you.I am sorry." CreationDate="2015-09-20T22:20:17.227" UserId="52236" />
  <row Id="5679" PostId="3657" Score="0" Text="@muru My answer after reading your referenced topic: no, it is _not_ about any type of &quot;supression&quot; or scripting, shell programming, etc. My argument is to _extend_ the site, with high-level content - partially with the goal to attract _more_ enthusiast-level scripting/config questions, too. This is what the area51 faq also says: expert content _attracts_ enhusiasts, but enthusisast content doesn't attract experts. There is no such thing as &quot;low end OR elitist&quot; site, this is not mathoverflow. There is a BIG site, all about *x, with many questions, this what I want." CreationDate="2015-09-20T22:27:35.753" UserId="52236" />
  <row Id="5680" PostId="3657" Score="1" Text="@slm Thank you :-)" CreationDate="2015-09-20T23:02:35.603" UserId="52236" />
  <row Id="5681" PostId="3653" Score="1" Text="I just added the deleted section to that answer." CreationDate="2015-09-20T23:56:24.947" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="5682" PostId="3657" Score="1" Text="newbies asking *good* but trivial questions is an opportunity to pass on the 'lore' to the next generation, not just to the asker but to anyone else who reads it.   Some newbies and some readers will become the next generation of experts." CreationDate="2015-09-21T03:32:28.737" UserId="7696" />
  <row Id="5684" PostId="3657" Score="0" Text="@cas I already said twice, that my suggestion is exactly the same: because expert content attracts also enthusiast questions (but not the other way around). The current site policy expels a large part of the expert questions saying that &quot;programming questions are belonging to the SO&quot;, although these could attract more questions on _every_ skill level. The goal is to attract more new users (on every skill level!), which happens more effectively if there is also programming content here." CreationDate="2015-09-21T03:46:07.450" UserId="52236" />
  <row Id="5685" PostId="3657" Score="1" Text="It sounds like you are, or should be, arguing for a Unix &amp; Linux Programming SE.   No matter how unix programming and API questions are treated here, they'll be swamped by all the other questions, defeating your goal of attracting highly-qualified experts in *nix programming." CreationDate="2015-09-21T03:56:17.400" UserId="7696" />
  <row Id="5686" PostId="3657" Score="2" Text="@cas Why? Unix-unix. I would find any topic about Unix very interesting. Forbidding Unix programming on a Unix site, this is what I find disattractive." CreationDate="2015-09-21T03:58:27.363" UserId="52236" />
  <row Id="5687" PostId="3642" Score="1" Text="Your answer is neither curt nor smart-ass. It's an appropriate answer to the question." CreationDate="2015-09-21T05:15:50.000" UserId="12619" />
  <row Id="5691" PostId="3643" Score="1" Text="@sebb - i dont even own a fryer." CreationDate="2015-09-21T19:03:26.003" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="5692" PostId="3643" Score="1" Text="@mikeserv There you go - he got ya ;)" CreationDate="2015-09-21T19:24:54.807" UserId="98663" />
  <row Id="5693" PostId="3659" Score="0" Text="On a side note, the single most important thing you can do is precisely what you just did: come here, to meta, and ask. Don't worry, the rules are confusing at first but you get used to it. Just ask again, either here or in our [chat room](http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/26/unix-and-linux) (once you have at least 20 [reputation points](http://unix.stackexchange.com/help/reputation)) if you have any questions about how the site works and how to ask well received questions. We'll be happy to help you learn the rules of the site." CreationDate="2015-09-21T23:09:30.857" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5694" PostId="3662" Score="12" Text="I'm not sure what we could possibly do to forever prevent all wrong information; a crisis of faith over a slight error in a single answer seems excessive. The system worked great -- you found the error, commented about it, and it was fixed. A shame it took so long, but the fundamentals of the answer (the permissions of the file don't matter, it's the directory that matters) were right, so that's probably what a lot of people cared about. Nobody actually tried unsetting the directory's execute bit, it had nothing to do with the original question" CreationDate="2015-09-22T14:44:51.177" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="5695" PostId="3642" Score="0" Text="@barmar that crossed my mind. However, no one else had answered at that point. In the past I have been baited (trolled?) into providing q-a back and forth in comments with a lazyweb poster (AskUbuntu, not here). I had no desire to do the same here. I guess my only reply to your comment is: it's like asking your family Doctor for advice on BioChem homework. He does have some exposure and knowledge in the area, if he went to medschool in the last 15-20 years. But it probably ain't his primary gig..." CreationDate="2015-09-22T21:11:36.450" UserId="62481" />
  <row Id="5696" PostId="3663" Score="0" Text="Well said. I think the key concept is to remember, as you said, that &quot;it's the Internet&quot;. Stack-Exchange does not exist to be a perfect record of correct Q&amp;A style information sharing. Well, that may be the *goal* but I don't think anyone really thinks it is an **achievable** goal...perfection. But I think we do a fairly decent job of *raising the bar* to an appropriate level." CreationDate="2015-09-22T21:20:53.820" UserId="62481" />
  <row Id="5697" PostId="3661" Score="0" Text="My bad, didn't see this.&#xA;&#xA;tl;dr : if enough questions are moved to SE site, the option will appear." CreationDate="2015-09-22T21:26:59.870" UserId="129998" />
  <row Id="5698" PostId="3657" Score="0" Text="Actually, the Unix API [_is_ on topic](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/q/2875/22222). What's not on topic is asking about the details of implementing something in C. Asking about which library/system call to use is fine, asking about how exactly you can use it in your program is not. This site's scope is more about system administration and configuration than about hard core programming." CreationDate="2015-09-23T14:23:13.267" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5699" PostId="3657" Score="1" Text="@terdon _&quot;Asking about which library/system call to use is fine, asking about how exactly you can use it in your program is not.&quot;_ The second part is actually a rubber paragraph, a trap: it filters out the clearly formulated questions, while allows the unclear ones (which could be still closed as unclear). Does an intra-mod agreement, or a said or unsaid rule from the CMs exist which tries to minimize the programming content out of the SO?" CreationDate="2015-09-23T15:45:26.020" UserId="52236" />
  <row Id="5700" PostId="3657" Score="0" Text="@peterh not as far as I know, no. In any case, that wouldn't even be possible. A site's scope is defined by the site's community, not SE and not the mods. I'm just pointing out that part of what you seem to be asking for is already here. Then, as a regular user, I personally don't want C programming to be on topic here but that's just my own opinion." CreationDate="2015-09-23T16:55:20.007" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5701" PostId="3661" Score="0" Text="Asking the mod in a flag nicely. Don't use it too often. It is influenced highly by intra-SE relations and having 200+ on around 20 sites I would say: 1) its deep politics exist, 2) it is nearly unknown, 3) but doesn't seem logical. If you don't understand why is it, it is often not because of the mods, but because powers over them. The probable final reason is that SO (with around 10 mods) makes around the same visit number as the whole SE (with around 300 mods)." CreationDate="2015-09-23T17:33:59.723" UserId="52236" />
  <row Id="5702" PostId="3658" Score="1" Text="SE, especially technical subsites, is aimed at discussion of specifics, not socialising. I'm all for folk having fun if they like, but (across the web) I don't like the idea that we _should_ inflate all posts with platitudes, to placate people who expect constant pats on the head. It risks fuelling an unrealistic expectation of constant affirmation. And - rare in a situation like this - it's not just me! See: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2950/should-hi-thanks-taglines-and-salutations-be-removed-from-posts" CreationDate="2015-09-23T17:45:25.500" UserId="124753" />
  <row Id="5703" PostId="3662" Score="0" Text="Afaik it doesn't happen too often. [Others](https://stackoverflow.com/users/2682142/lpapp) had similar problems on the SO." CreationDate="2015-09-23T17:46:30.053" UserId="52236" />
  <row Id="5704" PostId="3663" Score="2" Text="@0xSheepdog Afaik a group of high-repu users could exist coordinating their efforts to solve the similar, extraordinary cases of highly upvoted false informations. 5 3k+ users acting cooperatively can close/reopen any question, around the same number of 10k-20k+ users can do the same with delete. Their efforts could be organized easily in a chatroom. Btw, sometimes similar little circles are going mad and start to close &amp; destroy important aspects of a site. And if they have enough support from the mods/powerusers, nothing can stop them. It is the other side of the danger." CreationDate="2015-09-23T17:53:25.923" UserId="52236" />
  <row Id="5705" PostId="3658" Score="0" Text="The post @underscore_d mentions is interesting and shows that a curt approach has been debated/debatable. Socializing has more dimensions that a two-letter word on a SE forum. I see little risk not see the wheat from the chaff. I appreciate the risk of inflation though. The reference to [Grice's maxims of quality, quantity, relation and manner](http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~haroldfs/dravling/grice.html) is very apt (thx @dodgethesteamroller). Also, [Leech's politeness maxims](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politeness_maxims) may give clues on how expectations shape our way to relate with others." CreationDate="2015-09-23T18:13:53.667" UserId="132913" />
  <row Id="5707" PostId="3663" Score="1" Text="@MatthewRock I don't understand you, it is completely voluntary work. People are cooperating here not for money, but for common goals: for example, to close such highly problematic content as you named. Making voting circles and similar misuses are forbidden, but an open cooperation for positive goals isn't." CreationDate="2015-09-23T18:39:56.490" UserId="52236" />
  <row Id="5708" PostId="3663" Score="0" Text="@MatthewRock For example, there was a &quot;delete voter&quot; chatroom on the SO to solve very similar problems as yours. Maybe it exists even now. Or it is common phenomenon on different meta sites, that the community initiates and executes a major re-tagging project." CreationDate="2015-09-23T18:43:38.280" UserId="52236" />
  <row Id="5709" PostId="3665" Score="1" Text="(1) You seem to have a pronoun problem.  The OP (author) of *this* (meta)question is not the author of the answer that this (meta)question is talking about.  In fact, the author of that answer (ire_and_curses) doesn’t seem to be active in this meta-thread at all.  So why are you using second-person pronouns (“you” and “your”)?  (2) The sort of person who would ask a question like “Why can `rm` remove read-only files?” quite possibly wouldn’t understand the relevance of the paragraphs saying “Execute permission is needed on a directory to be able to …”.  … (Cont’d)" CreationDate="2015-09-23T19:43:16.330" UserId="23408" />
  <row Id="5710" PostId="3665" Score="2" Text="(Cont’d) …  After all, I can type `rm foo/bar` without making `foo` my current working directory, and there’s no reason to expect that anybody who’s reading that question will know what an inode is or what it signifies.  (3) That said, I agree with your main point — the answer was incomplete and *slightly* misleading.  It was *far* from “100% wrong”.  (4) [Obligatory xkcd: “Duty Calls”](https://xkcd.com/386)." CreationDate="2015-09-23T19:43:28.830" UserId="23408" />
  <row Id="5711" PostId="3663" Score="0" Text="@peterh What &quot;mine&quot; problem are you referring to? Anyway, what I mean is that your comment implied creating 5k people commando, hunting for answers that are wrong - this is both very hard, very tedious and not that interesting. Answering questions, editing; someone would have to cooperate this - managing 5k people sure is hard. I want to show you that it's all easier said than done - and it's unnecessary thing to do, since we have the means to protect us from bad content, which may sometimes work with delay, but this doensn't change the fact that they work." CreationDate="2015-09-23T19:44:48.980" UserId="129998" />
  <row Id="5712" PostId="3663" Score="0" Text="Also, this could be not effective if bad content would be provided maliciously - group of privileged users might edit posts after being check, and it could be unnoticed. But as I said - there really aren't many such people(if any) out there, so building a tank to run over an annoying ant is overkill." CreationDate="2015-09-23T19:47:15.217" UserId="129998" />
  <row Id="5713" PostId="3665" Score="0" Text="@Scott  I do, indeed. I was confused by the phrase &quot;**I** got 60 upvotes&quot; in this question, thanks." CreationDate="2015-09-23T20:13:33.847" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5714" PostId="3663" Score="2" Text="@MatthewRock five 3k users, not 5*3k = 15k users. :D" CreationDate="2015-09-24T05:37:07.513" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="5715" PostId="3663" Score="0" Text="@MatthewRock Yes, sometimes such cooperatives can significantly worsen a site experience. Major changes require the support of the powerusers/mods of the site. About your other not-understanding: 3000 reputation is needed to cast close and reopen votes, and 5 close/reopen votes can close/reopen a question. Thus, a cooperative having at least 5 members of at least 3000 reputation points, can close or reopen any question. Most site is effectively ruled by such cooperatives. Sometimes the process is perverted a little bit, for example if a such group" CreationDate="2015-09-24T06:24:03.367" UserId="52236" />
  <row Id="5716" PostId="3663" Score="0" Text="@MatthewRock ...goes mad and starts to destruct the site content and harass the new users. In this cases, they tend to narrow the meaning of the &quot;community&quot; to themselfes. (On Unix SE I didn't experience this phenomenon.) In other cases there is a good-willing group initiative which is destroyed by the mods. Contrary the intentions of the founders of the SE, it is a highly politized in the background." CreationDate="2015-09-24T06:29:20.187" UserId="52236" />
  <row Id="5717" PostId="3663" Score="1" Text="Wow, how did I read that five 3k users as 5.3k users again? Anyway, I agree with the narrowing community problem - I noticed this on SO - hence why I am not as much of a fan as I could be. People on SE too often downvote/vote to close simple questions or questions that are asked by obvious beginners, because they aren't asking the question with 300+ upvotes. It's saddening to see people ask something on SE and receive nothing but downvotes and useless angry comments instead - happened to me once or twice too, I had to remind them that they are there to help, not downvote." CreationDate="2015-09-24T08:12:13.993" UserId="129998" />
  <row Id="5718" PostId="3663" Score="0" Text="@MatthewRock [Here](http://unix.stackexchange.com/privileges) is the list of the acquirable privileges by reputation, maybe it will help. Yes, this is also a reason, why would be highly useful to part the functionality of the SO into a redundant network. For example, if the Unix SE [would allow Unix/Posix programming questions](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/3657) (which isn't the case, at least not de facto), it had the side-effect that Unix programming questions could have another chance if they got a malignant treatment on the SO." CreationDate="2015-09-24T10:48:54.933" UserId="52236" />
  <row Id="5719" PostId="3660" Score="0" Text="For #3 - If the solution was posted as a comment, I guess the OP could ask to post it as the answer to accept it, this will make the question not to be unsolved." CreationDate="2015-09-24T13:44:14.703" UserId="68382" />
  <row Id="5720" PostId="3313" Score="0" Text="@jasonwryan think it's worth posting one for [vi.se]? (an image from http://meta.vi.stackexchange.com/q/1215/205, maybe)" CreationDate="2015-09-24T13:44:40.193" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="5721" PostId="3313" Score="0" Text="@muru excellent idea!" CreationDate="2015-09-24T17:55:17.867" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="5722" PostId="3657" Score="0" Text="@terdonAs you can see on the meta, the community isn't engaged to modify the rule on the spot, many of them don't even understand it correctly. It is highly unfortunate, and it seems unsolvable. I would leave this suggestion as a signpost for the googlers of the future, maybe sometimes we will have enough support to change this harmful directive." CreationDate="2015-09-24T20:57:36.073" UserId="52236" />
  <row Id="5723" PostId="3313" Score="1" Text="@jasonwryan [done](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/a/3666/70524). So that's three Vim-related posts here! :D" CreationDate="2015-09-25T02:17:35.800" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="5726" PostId="3668" Score="0" Text="I think I only got a reviews that were older than a month. And accepted answers as well as more than 5 upvotes. A bit of filtering would have been appropriate." CreationDate="2015-09-29T21:56:46.073" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="5727" PostId="3668" Score="0" Text="@Anthon be thankful you don't have 4000 posts to review. :P" CreationDate="2015-09-29T21:58:30.267" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="5728" PostId="3668" Score="0" Text="@Anthon accepted + more than 5 votes? User should have &gt;50 rep then. So it seems rep at the time of posting is used. Dammmmmm." CreationDate="2015-09-29T21:59:23.327" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="5729" PostId="3668" Score="0" Text="I reviewed my reviews, the most upvotes was actually four. so that would fit. Since it seems Terdon has no upper review limit of 20 as a mod, the queue might still be cleared today." CreationDate="2015-09-29T22:10:14.057" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="5730" PostId="3668" Score="4" Text="@Anthon not a chance, sorry. I may not have a software limit but I have a wetware limit and can't do all that many in one night :). The other mods should pitch in while I get some rest." CreationDate="2015-09-29T23:08:42.933" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5731" PostId="3668" Score="0" Text="@terdon I wouldn't worry, we had 250+ reviews today alone, so this should be gone by tomorrow. If it weren't for DST I would do my next 20 right now." CreationDate="2015-09-29T23:12:43.013" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="5732" PostId="3668" Score="1" Text="@Anthon looks like you were right. All gone now, well done U&amp;L people!" CreationDate="2015-09-30T10:49:57.547" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5733" PostId="3669" Score="0" Text="welcome to U&amp;L. As long as it is Unix/Linux, it is OK, explain your problem, what you have (starting file/command) what you want (final file) and what you've tried." CreationDate="2015-10-01T12:20:49.917" UserId="79818" />
  <row Id="5734" PostId="3672" Score="0" Text="I did try also what you shared  `user:me \[disk-image]\` but that didn't went anywhere. I also tried  `user:me \[disk-image\] but also didn't get me anywhere. The difference as can be seen is in the positioning of the slash." CreationDate="2015-10-02T13:49:46.607" UserId="50490" />
  <row Id="5735" PostId="3672" Score="1" Text="@shirish sorry, the slashes were added automatically by the markdown parser (apparently), there should be no slashes. Try clicking on the search link in my (updated) answer (which uses your user id instead of `user:me` but should run the same search) or write `user:me [disk-image]`." CreationDate="2015-10-02T14:01:18.880" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5736" PostId="3672" Score="0" Text="for some reason, now it works but before the same thing didn't, :confused:" CreationDate="2015-10-02T19:56:39.580" UserId="50490" />
  <row Id="5737" PostId="3673" Score="1" Text="It's difficult to answer this without any actual examples. My initial reaction would be no mainly because tags are really more for organizing IMO. I'd rather have users ask, but let's see how others feel. This is just my $0.02. I'm out note and can't really quite more on it at the moment." CreationDate="2015-10-03T23:03:37.850" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="5738" PostId="3673" Score="1" Text="@slm thanks for response, I only didn't add my example as  I would prefer an answer more on general etiquette (as I'd like to edit a few tag wikis going forward) rather than sorting my current issue. No mad rush for an answer on my specific issue either as I want to give my main site Q chance to get some attention before thinking about asking for a migration." CreationDate="2015-10-03T23:16:32.467" UserId="133470" />
  <row Id="5740" PostId="3675" Score="0" Text="damn, now how didn't I see that one :(" CreationDate="2015-10-04T20:15:15.570" UserId="50490" />
  <row Id="5741" PostId="3673" Score="0" Text="The thing is, it's kind of hard to get a general rule. There are no tags I can think of which would merit such treatment. It's hard to discuss this without a concrete example. Also, SF's scope is very specific and they require a level of expertise from their posters (they need to be _professional_ sysadmins) that we don't. I can't, off the top of my head, think of any tag whatsoever that would benefit from such a warning in the wiki." CreationDate="2015-10-04T20:25:10.880" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5742" PostId="3673" Score="0" Text="@terdon I get what you are saying, although I do feel I have come across a few tags that fit this possibility, but as someone that very much falls under SF's scope maybe my viewpoint maybe a little skewed. I will add the specific example to the Question, probably tomorrow when I have time properly, but for now (in case you are interested) [here is the Q of mine that inspired this](http://unix.stackexchange.com/q/232877/133470). Thanks for the response" CreationDate="2015-10-04T23:05:23.813" UserId="133470" />
  <row Id="5743" PostId="3673" Score="0" Text="Thanks, yes, please do. For my part, I see no tags on your question that would suggest SF. Normal users can also be using `denyhosts` and `logwatch` and those are perfectly on topic here. Your question itself suggests you have more than a passing knowledge of these tools, and it may well be well received at SF, but the tags themselves do not suggest a site. On a more personal note, if we start migrating away clear, well written questions like yours just 'cause they have a particular tag, the site would be the poorer for it." CreationDate="2015-10-04T23:12:30.870" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5744" PostId="3673" Score="0" Text="@terdon absolutely correct, users here are very likely using denyhosts and logwatch. I did not think that tag excerpts should absolutely recommend using a different community, but perhaps suggest a certain category of posts using the tag _may_ be better served by... I was about to edit the denyhosts tag wiki, as I did on SF. I am really just a Stack Exchange newb, feeling my way around for etiquette. I could possibly be quite active here and SF, understand the quality of one community should not be sacrificed for another, but ultimately think users getting great answers quickly is the goal." CreationDate="2015-10-04T23:30:12.877" UserId="133470" />
  <row Id="5745" PostId="78" Score="1" Text="It's not a slight reformulation, it's a completely different question. See, the answer &quot;Check for a Lenovo label on the cover&quot; would be awful for it, yet it's completely valid for the current question." CreationDate="2015-10-05T07:56:28.040" UserId="106927" />
  <row Id="5746" PostId="77" Score="0" Text="When you should ask specific questions, like &quot;which wlan chipset has support for feature x under Linux&quot; or &quot;which laptops have media keys support in Ubuntu&quot;. When the question is specific, it's impossible to give an opinion instead of an answer." CreationDate="2015-10-05T08:13:47.663" UserId="106927" />
  <row Id="5747" PostId="3668" Score="0" Text="You folks must have done a really good job, and really quickly. I'm around most days but haven't seen any recent spike" CreationDate="2015-10-05T14:14:09.667" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="5748" PostId="3673" Score="0" Text="@terdon as promised I added my example." CreationDate="2015-10-05T21:04:49.843" UserId="133470" />
  <row Id="5749" PostId="3668" Score="0" Text="Late answers, so what? I really don't know what you're so concerned about. At least a late answer to an existing old question is way better than creating 10 near-identical questions just because someone might say &quot;Aww, this is old!&quot;" CreationDate="2015-10-06T18:21:31.540" UserId="22858" />
  <row Id="5750" PostId="3667" Score="1" Text="Only 558 ? [You were late](http://oi57.tinypic.com/2uqniti.jpg) to the party I guess... :)" CreationDate="2015-10-06T22:14:15.787" UserId="22142" />
  <row Id="5752" PostId="3673" Score="0" Text="@Dani_l I don't see how any of the tags involved in your linked Q could fit into my suggestion of wording tag wikis so as to help questions find the most appropriate home, and I am not suggesting (or asking of) features to allow cross-posting so you would probably be best creating your own meta question if you want to discuss this." CreationDate="2015-10-07T15:04:10.897" UserId="133470" />
  <row Id="5753" PostId="3678" Score="2" Text="So maybe the default should be to ask in comments if user is falling into _XY problem_, or really does want an answer specific to Y or wants problem X solving? Especially if the tags and question subject both specify Y, even if poster isn't doesn't further stress a Y solution and give reasons. Also, maybe someone later is really searching for the best way to put *screws* in with a *hammer*, even if the original poster wasn't ;)" CreationDate="2015-10-07T18:12:30.360" UserId="133470" />
  <row Id="5754" PostId="3678" Score="0" Text="@DanSut that someone can post a more specific question. No, IMO the default position should be to use the best tool and educate the user as to why it's better, unless there's extenuating circumstances. For example, recently a poster asked about scripting in `csh`. Both answers at the time I saw it said: &quot;don't use `csh`&quot;, though such a requirement is weird enough that both tried to work around csh's limitations." CreationDate="2015-10-07T18:19:38.887" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="5755" PostId="3677" Score="1" Text="http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/1172/are-answers-using-alternative-tools-not-welcome" CreationDate="2015-10-07T18:24:49.627" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="5756" PostId="3680" Score="1" Text="That's correct, when a Q&amp;A gets locked like that, it's generally because the Q is not actually a good question, however it's existed for some period of time and accrued answers which have some value, so rather than delete everything, it's &quot;locked&quot; as the banner mentions, and kept for historical reasons, but is no longer allowed to be edited or answered etc. In rare cases such as this using meta or the chat room for U&amp;L are the best options." CreationDate="2015-10-09T20:57:08.067" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="5757" PostId="3680" Score="0" Text="WRT the image, I'm unable to find a archived version of it either. I'll keep looking but if we cannot find one, I can remove the broken link from that A'er." CreationDate="2015-10-09T21:00:47.593" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="5758" PostId="3682" Score="0" Text="Wow.  If you hadn’t pointed out that one of these things was different from the others, I wouldn’t have noticed.  BTW, thanks for posting the screenshot.  (I was going to do it; you beat me to it and saved me the effort.)" CreationDate="2015-10-10T15:40:26.510" UserId="23408" />
  <row Id="5759" PostId="3682" Score="1" Text="Firstly, thanks for adding screenshots. Secondly, I think that we should change background colour instead of number's colour - this would be much more visible." CreationDate="2015-10-11T12:00:44.853" UserId="129998" />
  <row Id="5760" PostId="3673" Score="0" Text="@DanSut sorry for the late answer, I'm afraid this completely slipped my mind." CreationDate="2015-10-12T11:13:00.490" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5761" PostId="3683" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the thorough answer, I will certainly bare it in mind going forward as I edit tag wikis and post across the various *nix communities on Stack Exchange. It is interesting to me that you would suggest deleting and reposting rather than asking for a migration, any specific reason for this?" CreationDate="2015-10-12T11:53:20.187" UserId="133470" />
  <row Id="5762" PostId="3683" Score="0" Text="@DanSut only that new users won't necessarily know how to flag and ask for migration. Either one is fine as long as they don't post the same question in different SE sites simultaneously." CreationDate="2015-10-12T12:01:42.457" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5763" PostId="3683" Score="0" Text="that makes sense to me, the Stack Exchange network has so many features and does take a some time and experience to grasp all that is possible - probably best to default to a statement that even a completely new user would understand." CreationDate="2015-10-12T12:12:12.027" UserId="133470" />
  <row Id="5764" PostId="3683" Score="0" Text="after reading through your answer a couple of times I am, unfortunately, still left with questions regarding what advice is OK to put in the tag wiki. I get not telling people to straight *go/look elsewhere* but what about making people aware of the other places a Q with the tag could be posted and suggesting pros/cons/topic of each community to help them come to the best decision? Not in the excerpt but in the wiki body." CreationDate="2015-10-12T12:18:03.367" UserId="133470" />
  <row Id="5765" PostId="3683" Score="0" Text="@DanSut the point I am trying to make, is that you simply can't do that in the tag's wiki. It will always depend on the specific question and I don't see how you can generalize it to a tag." CreationDate="2015-10-12T12:47:28.810" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5766" PostId="3679" Score="1" Text="I'm sure there are grey areas, and anything tagged _text-processing_ is more likely to fall into one of those grey areas :) I agree and think checking with the intention of original poster, and asking them to clarify is a kinder and gentler path than immediately flagging as a duplicate." CreationDate="2015-10-12T13:33:44.527" UserId="133470" />
  <row Id="5767" PostId="1172" Score="0" Text="Here is a more recent discussion along these lines: http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/3677/is-a-question-really-a-duplicate-if-specifically-asked-about-one-tool-but-sugges" CreationDate="2015-10-13T19:45:15.393" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="5768" PostId="71" Score="0" Text="@jjclarkson, keep in mind that &quot;Which 2010 laptop is best for Linux?&quot; is NOT a helpful question if you simply want to know if the 2010 laptop you already own is Linux compatible." CreationDate="2015-10-13T19:47:37.140" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="5769" PostId="3682" Score="0" Text="That's hardly visible in your screenshot and it doesn't seem to work for linked answers. See, for example, [here](http://unix.stackexchange.com/q/123147/22222). There is one linked post which has an accepted answer but no indication of that." CreationDate="2015-10-15T15:43:56.867" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5770" PostId="870" Score="0" Text="[different error codes returned by 6 different shells](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/21862/system-programming-how-to-gather-info) does not appear to be as described." CreationDate="2015-10-18T13:15:25.343" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="5771" PostId="3687" Score="0" Text="Thanks! I've created short description proposal (waiting for peer review), making it bold that &quot;ftps&quot; should not be confused with &quot;sftp&quot;." CreationDate="2015-10-18T15:29:20.940" UserId="9689" />
  <row Id="5772" PostId="3687" Score="2" Text="@GrzegorzWierzowiecki thanks, but please don't describe the tag itself in the tag excerpt. Excerpts should explain how the tag should be used on the site rather than the tag's subject. Please have a look at the [tag excerpt guidelines](http://unix.stackexchange.com/help/tag-excerpts). I changed your suggestion accordingly." CreationDate="2015-10-18T15:35:18.237" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5773" PostId="3687" Score="0" Text="Thank you! After reading guideline I've learned more about proper excerpts, so I will know for future! :)" CreationDate="2015-10-18T15:37:45.517" UserId="9689" />
  <row Id="5774" PostId="3686" Score="2" Text="Please mark terdon's answer as accepted so others know this issue's been resolved." CreationDate="2015-10-18T18:01:39.910" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="5775" PostId="870" Score="0" Text="Good catch. I edited the question with the correct link." CreationDate="2015-10-21T09:45:24.427" UserId="4098" />
  <row Id="5776" PostId="3689" Score="0" Text="Isn't this a bit of a chicken-and-egg thing -  the question shouldn't have made it to the &quot;hot questions list&quot; if it hadn't received a certain number of upvotes in the first place" CreationDate="2015-10-22T16:55:34.600" UserId="21233" />
  <row Id="5778" PostId="3689" Score="5" Text="@1_CR on slow days, anything with a single upvote can make it to the HNQ." CreationDate="2015-10-22T19:21:39.393" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="5779" PostId="3650" Score="0" Text="Yes! If we could flag questions for moderator to decide if the question can be displayed on two or more sites, life would be so much easier!" CreationDate="2015-10-23T17:05:11.647" UserId="8305" />
  <row Id="5780" PostId="3689" Score="3" Text="I actually wonder if those hot questions do enough good promoting SE sites to justify the harm they are doing by completely disturbing the voting process. Thanks to HNQ, my top tags include programs/technologies I never used, but was able to google a tutorial for." CreationDate="2015-10-23T21:53:41.500" UserId="106927" />
  <row Id="5781" PostId="3689" Score="0" Text="@DmitryGrigoryev we all wonder that. The HNQ is one of those things that everyone loves to hate." CreationDate="2015-10-23T22:44:51.820" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5782" PostId="3698" Score="4" Text="Upvoted, but 'packaging' should probably be separate. That's for people who are trying to write it, I think." CreationDate="2015-10-24T12:08:07.577" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="5783" PostId="3692" Score="7" Text="No, `packaging` and `package-management` are two very different things. A developer creating a package would use `packaging` and a user installing one would use `package-management`. Questions about building a package should be tagged with both `packaging` _and_ the package manager's tag as appropriate." CreationDate="2015-10-24T14:45:15.643" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5784" PostId="3698" Score="0" Text="I upvoted both this answer and the question, with the same caveat as @FaheemMitha - that packaging should remain." CreationDate="2015-10-24T16:34:54.477" UserId="21109" />
  <row Id="5785" PostId="3688" Score="6" Text="SO is like real life. It's not so much about quality as it's about popularity. The easiest stuff tends to be most popular because most people can understand it and relate to it. Don't take the votes too seriously." CreationDate="2015-10-24T18:51:40.607" UserId="23692" />
  <row Id="5786" PostId="3696" Score="0" Text="I thought that at first, but the OP put **append** in bold in the question text, and I checked the edit history and it was like that from the start (not added in by someone more knowledgeable later)." CreationDate="2015-10-24T22:28:00.023" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="5787" PostId="3699" Score="1" Text="I guess this should be moved to meta. Oops, Is this meta?" CreationDate="2015-10-25T10:13:23.863" UserId="73443" />
  <row Id="5788" PostId="3696" Score="0" Text="Haha, for some reason, I didn't see that word, no matter how bold :) It **is** a bit surprising that he didn't simply search the web then..." CreationDate="2015-10-25T13:50:36.510" UserId="137733" />
  <row Id="5795" PostId="3691" Score="4" Text="Time to ask about how to pronounce `fsck`." CreationDate="2015-10-26T23:50:16.657" UserId="23692" />
  <row Id="5796" PostId="3691" Score="0" Text="I would dare you to ask for a specific user's `bjobs`" CreationDate="2015-10-27T16:56:02.693" UserId="74555" />
  <row Id="5797" PostId="3706" Score="1" Text="I think everyone would appreciate a concrete example of &quot;lipstick on a pig&quot; here. ;{) I agree that doing a little is better than doing nothing at all and should not be discouraged, even if someone is perhaps cherry picking for 2 rep points -- good for them.  It ends soon and they will have earned it just by bothering to read that many questions IMO." CreationDate="2015-10-28T19:55:02.907" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="5798" PostId="3706" Score="2" Text="@goldilocks added an example for you... :p" CreationDate="2015-10-28T20:56:06.327" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="5799" PostId="3706" Score="0" Text="Just so I'm sure... Editing a question does bring it back from the depths of U&amp;L, and back into the top questions list, right? I was referring strictly to these &quot;lipstick on a pig&quot; examples (since I usually approve the others, if I'm not wrong). I do believe that these edits improve grammar and readability, I was just wondering whether they were worth &quot;reactivating&quot; the question. I'll try to approve/improve these edits more often from now on (especially if they might restimulate interest in a dead question). Thanks for you input!" CreationDate="2015-10-28T22:24:07.447" UserId="41892" />
  <row Id="5800" PostId="3705" Score="0" Text="Aaah! So there was a *too minor* option! I was beginning to wonder whether or not I had imagined it. Actually, I should have had a look at the users' history myself: 98% of his edits were approved, while I rejected half of my reviews... That sure calls for some introspection..." CreationDate="2015-10-28T22:28:41.523" UserId="41892" />
  <row Id="5801" PostId="3706" Score="1" Text="@JohnWHSmith It does bring them back up: but that is by design (and not considered a flaw). It ensures that the content on the wiki is continually combed over and refined/improved. You will note that older questions are recycled by Community (the bot) to the same effect." CreationDate="2015-10-28T22:34:15.027" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="5802" PostId="3602" Score="0" Text="I'm trying to reconcile this voting conclusion with the current kali-linux tag's &quot;about&quot; statement: &quot;This tag should only be used if your question is _specific_ to Kali Linux. If your question is a general one and you just happen to be using Kali, this tag should not be applied.&quot; Should the tag be edited to soften that statement?" CreationDate="2015-10-29T02:03:12.670" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="5803" PostId="3688" Score="0" Text="The problem with that is that votes give you rep, and rep is used as a very illogical way to limit what features of the site a user can use. So this could be giving a spammer rep and access, while the rest of us who actually want to contribute are forced to take the long road and get told off by other users for not using resources that we don't have access to yet.&#xA;&#xA;My example is that while trying to get more information to attempt to help someone I posted a question in the answers section (because you can't add a comment unless you have 50 rep) and got bitched at for not using the comments." CreationDate="2015-10-29T17:09:49.353" UserId="138856" />
  <row Id="5804" PostId="3706" Score="1" Text="I've seen the Community bot recycling older questions. Many of those have either been answered satisfactorily but the OP didn't ever accept the answer, or they were answered trivially in comments. Perhaps this should be a different question altogether but is there any useful way we can stop those questions being recycled due to lack of an accepted answer? (Is there an &quot;accept on behalf of...&quot; type option available to mods or you seriously high scoring users?)" CreationDate="2015-10-29T18:03:10.503" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="5805" PostId="3706" Score="0" Text="@roaima not that I am aware of. It would have to be a mod tool and I certainly haven't seen it deployed in my time here." CreationDate="2015-10-29T18:07:59.243" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="5806" PostId="3706" Score="0" Text="Just reading http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/888/what-do-we-do-about-abandoned-questions-with-a-correct-answer-never-accepted now" CreationDate="2015-10-29T18:08:55.240" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="5807" PostId="3602" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller: you're better off asking the highest upvoted answer's author then me: I'm mostly AU and very little U&amp;L." CreationDate="2015-10-29T20:20:51.717" UserId="90054" />
  <row Id="5808" PostId="3605" Score="1" Text="Any objections to softening the current kali-linux tag description, then? It is currently in opposition to this accepted answer." CreationDate="2015-10-29T20:31:29.480" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="5809" PostId="3691" Score="1" Text="Postgresql even has an audio recording in their press faq: http://www.postgresql.org/about/press/faq/ Last question on the page. I think it's completely appropriate." CreationDate="2015-10-30T22:17:44.457" UserId="139893" />
  <row Id="5810" PostId="3705" Score="1" Text="I realise that U&amp;L has a slightly different culture to SO (and I don't have enough rep here to review edits), but on SO my rule of thumb is that if I think the edit is too trivial I'll &quot;Reject &amp; Edit&quot; rather than &quot;Improve Edit&quot; both to discourage the editor from making such edits and to get the edit out of the review queue. Yes, trivial edits may improve the post, but IMO they shouldn't require 4 brains to make them." CreationDate="2015-10-31T10:45:20.930" UserId="88378" />
  <row Id="5811" PostId="3688" Score="1" Text="50 rep isn't hard to acquire.  only 5 slightly good answers, or 10 slightly good questions." CreationDate="2015-11-02T10:29:00.773" UserId="7696" />
  <row Id="5812" PostId="3688" Score="1" Text="as @PSkocik said, upvotes are largely about popularity and commonality.  the more common the problem, the more people will see it, read it, and upvote it.   It's just something you have to accept - even if it can feel frustrating at times to research and write a good answer to an obscure question and not get a single upvote for it (or even an accept from the OP).  ditto with writing an obscure, difficult question." CreationDate="2015-11-02T10:31:43.150" UserId="7696" />
  <row Id="5813" PostId="3702" Score="1" Text="i upvote good questions that interest me.  even if i know the/an answer.  partly to reward the OP and partly because  it's kind of a hint that a good, detailed, explanatory answer will get some upvotes." CreationDate="2015-11-02T10:39:31.833" UserId="7696" />
  <row Id="5814" PostId="3545" Score="0" Text="@Scott, I agree.  The prompt character indicates the shell in the example was probably `csh`." CreationDate="2015-11-02T22:32:02.303" UserId="139893" />
  <row Id="5815" PostId="3707" Score="0" Text="(Converted to answer)" CreationDate="2015-11-03T15:45:34.450" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="5816" PostId="3707" Score="0" Text="Nice, I guess that answer the question. Do you know if what is considered &quot;real&quot; access is already defined?" CreationDate="2015-11-03T15:50:14.113" UserId="139259" />
  <row Id="5817" PostId="3704" Score="0" Text="I saw several edits where all the user did was removing the thanks at the end of the post.  It is probably the same user." CreationDate="2015-11-04T10:25:08.290" UserId="34039" />
  <row Id="5818" PostId="3708" Score="0" Text="FWIW, I believe that accessing [the review page](http://unix.stackexchange.com/review) *does* count as a real access.  Also your user page.  Also note that consecutive days of visitation (for purposes of awarding the Enthusiast and Fanatic badges) are counted independently, not just for each community, but for the main and meta sites within each community." CreationDate="2015-11-04T21:01:01.000" UserId="23408" />
  <row Id="5819" PostId="3700" Score="2" Text="Is there a way too get &quot;inbox&quot; notifications (red box at the top of the page)?" CreationDate="2015-11-05T23:50:25.217" UserId="99989" />
  <row Id="5820" PostId="3709" Score="1" Text="&quot;you should have the manners to identify yourself.&quot; how many anonymous edits do you get?" CreationDate="2015-11-07T17:30:22.610" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="5821" PostId="3710" Score="2" Text="I personally just use whatever Google finds, too... Well, maybe I'll pick from the first few results... Never struck me as important which one." CreationDate="2015-11-08T10:11:56.520" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="5822" PostId="3704" Score="0" Text="Maybe just accept, but without bumping the question?" CreationDate="2015-11-08T14:39:18.863" UserId="17594" />
  <row Id="5823" PostId="3711" Score="2" Text="I would add http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi for OpenBSD." CreationDate="2015-11-08T16:54:54.327" UserDisplayName="user90883" />
  <row Id="5824" PostId="3711" Score="0" Text="@ThomasWeinbrenner iirc the FreeBSD site also has OpenBSD and NetBSD manpages, so that's covered." CreationDate="2015-11-08T16:55:54.557" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="5825" PostId="3711" Score="2" Text="FreeBSD doesn't have 5.8 and -current" CreationDate="2015-11-08T16:57:26.107" UserDisplayName="user90883" />
  <row Id="5826" PostId="3710" Score="4" Text="I try to avoid die.net because I have found it to have errors (I don't recall the details) — but I would never judge a post by which man page web site it used." CreationDate="2015-11-08T19:23:08.517" UserId="23408" />
  <row Id="5827" PostId="3710" Score="0" Text="If there was a link and someone couldn't find a piece of information I would have expected to be present, I'll check the link content as part of my answer. Otherwise I'd probably ignore it and use memory or my local man pages." CreationDate="2015-11-09T14:40:47.677" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="5828" PostId="3704" Score="0" Text="Related, from worldbuilding: [Alarming Number of Edits](http://meta.worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions/2299/alarming-number-of-edits/2301)" CreationDate="2015-11-09T21:39:59.663" UserId="50939" />
  <row Id="5829" PostId="3711" Score="2" Text="+1 This is a good list.  You might also want to include https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/Darwin/Reference/ManPages/# for OSX, though currently it only seems to be for 10.9.  Not sure the extent of differences to 10.11" CreationDate="2015-11-11T20:43:12.310" UserId="34061" />
  <row Id="5830" PostId="3712" Score="0" Text="&quot;Link to either&quot;? Which does it link to?" CreationDate="2015-11-12T08:51:28.780" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="5831" PostId="3712" Score="2" Text="@muru, what do you mean?  If you use the `/o/` namespace within mdoc.su, it'll link to OpenBSD; `/f/` will link to FreeBSD.  Stuff like `/o,f/` can also be used for a Multiple Choices thingy, e.g., http://mdoc.su/o,f/fork.2, as well as `/FreeBSD-10.2/` and stuff, e.g., http://mdoc.su/FreeBSD-10.2/zfs.8." CreationDate="2015-11-12T16:20:21.043" UserId="28354" />
  <row Id="5832" PostId="3712" Score="0" Text="Yep, that's what I was wondering." CreationDate="2015-11-12T16:23:48.700" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="5833" PostId="3713" Score="2" Text="Where did you see the first example?" CreationDate="2015-11-13T10:12:48.723" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="5834" PostId="3713" Score="1" Text="It's not `__italic__ or **bold**`, it's `_italic_ or **bold**`, which does indeed yield &quot;_italic_ or **bold**&quot;." CreationDate="2015-11-13T19:01:11.750" UserId="23408" />
  <row Id="5835" PostId="3710" Score="3" Text="If a site provided direct links to single options or sections, that would be a killer feature IMHO. Some man pages are really long." CreationDate="2015-11-13T22:26:41.693" UserId="59808" />
  <row Id="5836" PostId="3717" Score="1" Text="It's already done, immediately any answer is accepted/upvoted the question can't be deleted." CreationDate="2015-11-14T20:47:58.090" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="5837" PostId="3717" Score="4" Text="@Braiam yes: but I am referring to answers that haven't been upvoted or accepted, and hence the question (and answer) *can* be deleted." CreationDate="2015-11-14T20:57:38.783" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="5838" PostId="3713" Score="0" Text="Wow, I'm blind :D I haven't noticed there is no two chars... So, there is no problem." CreationDate="2015-11-15T11:47:31.073" UserId="133532" />
  <row Id="5839" PostId="3715" Score="0" Text="Wow, I'm blind :D I haven't noticed there is no two chars... So, there is no problem." CreationDate="2015-11-15T11:47:37.343" UserId="133532" />
  <row Id="5840" PostId="3717" Score="0" Text="I have not taken note of the user, but I could swear I saw that happening with more than one question today too." CreationDate="2015-11-15T13:41:37.550" UserId="138261" />
  <row Id="5841" PostId="3717" Score="1" Text="If the question isn't garbage, this is self-vandalism.  Alert a mod and they'll restore the questions if needed, and deal with the user (assuming you know their username)." CreationDate="2015-11-15T18:24:06.697" UserId="31658" />
  <row Id="5842" PostId="3718" Score="0" Text="Are any of the other deleted questions cross posted to the SO or elsewhere on the web? A check for deleted posts on his SO account might help." CreationDate="2015-11-16T05:34:38.453" UserId="1925" />
  <row Id="5843" PostId="3717" Score="3" Text="Too much is too much, but it doesn't have to be draconian... Sometimes users ask questions that they later realize were really stupid or already answered elsewhere only after they receive an answer, and might delete it  after getting an answer to stop an onslaught of downvotes or negative answers. Cases like this should be dealt with by moderators, if every question they deleted was for a fair reason, I don't see a problem. And help vampires don't exist, if you didn't notice that thing you linked to is a joke. What sort of motivation would the guy have for doing this anyways?" CreationDate="2015-11-16T07:18:12.090" UserId="72554" />
  <row Id="5844" PostId="3717" Score="7" Text="@Cestarian that thing I linked to is definitely *not* a joke..." CreationDate="2015-11-16T07:19:03.717" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="5845" PostId="3717" Score="0" Text="Yes it is, it's loaded with nothing but sarcasm, and it's funny too. It obviously wasn't written with serious intent. What is actually being referred to are people who aren't tech savvy enough to yet realize that they should troubleshoot, google, and rtfm before asking questions, and then the occasional one that's too lazy to rtfm and just asks instead... It's like calling old people leeches for taking up space, eating food and consuming energy without working to give anything back. The proper word would be newbie. IT newbie. Sounds like this guy just has mental problems though." CreationDate="2015-11-16T07:28:55.663" UserId="72554" />
  <row Id="5846" PostId="3717" Score="2" Text="@Cestarian it was written by a woman; which just underscores the quality of your analysis..." CreationDate="2015-11-16T07:31:21.280" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="5847" PostId="3717" Score="0" Text="Is that a sexist remark, or am I just reading wrong?" CreationDate="2015-11-16T07:32:48.630" UserId="72554" />
  <row Id="5848" PostId="3717" Score="5" Text="@Cestarian it is a fact: Amy Hoy is a woman. A very smart woman. She knows a lot about open source communities; you would do well to learn from her." CreationDate="2015-11-16T07:34:22.720" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="5849" PostId="3717" Score="0" Text="Possibly so, this doesn't change the fact that her gender is of absolutely no relevance here. You can see the seriousness right at the top there &quot;Does he ask the same, tired questions others ask (at a rate of once or more per minute)?&quot; never seen anyone ask questions at that rate besides IM and voip or just RL chats.&#xA;&#xA;What I said remains true though, they're just noobs like anywhere else, imagine if those noobs were actual people with actual feelings and are either just haven't caught on yet on how to do things, or are just a little dumb... and you try to crucify them as &quot;Help Vampires&quot;." CreationDate="2015-11-16T07:44:02.717" UserId="72554" />
  <row Id="5850" PostId="3717" Score="2" Text="@Cestarian I haven't advocated &quot;crucifying&quot; anyone (look it up, it is a very unpleasant way to *kill someone*). And, I have no desire to continue to argue with someone who writes as sloppily as they think." CreationDate="2015-11-16T07:47:50.517" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="5851" PostId="3717" Score="0" Text="Figurative speech... Lets just end it at that I think you should practice what you preach, if you're so fond of that help vampire article over there, why don't you follow it? E.g. &quot;Tell the vamp you’ll be glad to have him as a member of your community if he reforms his vampy ways.&quot; and &quot;Be Friendly&quot;, that's actually good advice if you really want to deal with these newbies, because psychologically speaking negative attitude only breeds more negative attitude and contempt. She even knows that she's relabeling noobs as help vampires, it was meant to be a cute word, not bad. Read her bottom line." CreationDate="2015-11-16T08:07:00.400" UserId="72554" />
  <row Id="5852" PostId="3716" Score="0" Text="Thanks, I waited a bit to see if an answer from a community moderator would have covered the legal aspect; no, it doesn't explain that at all. I thought about rearranging it a bit and add a tagline to the bottom, I think that would look nice, but I'm out of ideas. If you have any suggestion those are of course very welcome (people registered on Ask Ubuntu may as well just comment under the post). Also the ad just scored +6, so it's now officially active and shown between the other ads." CreationDate="2015-11-16T10:05:24.327" UserId="114435" />
  <row Id="5853" PostId="3710" Score="0" Text="&quot;http://linux.die.net/man/ but I think some people would prefer some other site&quot; Who would prefer another site and why? What's the problem with `linux.die.net` that made you create this question?" CreationDate="2015-11-16T11:41:39.217" UserId="56993" />
  <row Id="5854" PostId="3717" Score="8" Text="@Cestarian actually, help vampires are indeed a very real problem and depressingly common on SE. The post that Jason linked to is one of the first (or _the_ first) usages of the term but it has since been widely adopted. It is also very common jargon in the SE communities. I suggest you re-read that post more carefully or even do a google search for &quot;help vampires&quot; to understand the problem better. Newbs are fine, we've all been there. HVs are a different beast. They don't want to do any work themselves and believe it is your obligation to pander to their laziness." CreationDate="2015-11-16T14:09:38.177" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5856" PostId="3717" Score="0" Text="@terdon That help vampire thing as far as I can see it is just insane stereotyping.  Sure these kinds of people do exist, it's nothing new for people to feel entitled to something that they're not. But it's pretty weird to create such a neat little banner for them to be herded under. Especially because it's not exactly easy to differentiate between lazy people who want others to do all their work for them, and noobs who are just asking too broad questions or don't know how to troubleshoot themselves. Or kids." CreationDate="2015-11-16T18:37:46.890" UserId="72554" />
  <row Id="5857" PostId="3710" Score="0" Text="@NewWorld I would, since, as I said in my answer, I don't know the source of the manpages in `linux.die.net`. Though I haven't actually expressed that opinion before this question was posted, so I don't know what inspired OP." CreationDate="2015-11-16T21:24:34.873" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="5858" PostId="3710" Score="1" Text="@NewWorld Even if [the site says](http://www.die.net/) it is from 1996, so might be very stable, it also says it's essentially a hobby site. And as muru says, does not expose the source of the man pages. This all seems less than ideal for a good reference site (I don't personally care much, but the question isn't about my opinion)." CreationDate="2015-11-16T21:33:24.703" UserId="33724" />
  <row Id="5859" PostId="3717" Score="0" Text="@Cestarian, there is a HUGE difference between a noob and a help vampire.  Everyone was once a noob; not everyone was once a help vampire—and people who were once help vampires, have probably never progressed past being a noob, because mostly they weren't trying very hard.  &quot;Takes to long to check the manual; I'll just ask on SE&quot; for Every. Single. Question.  &quot;Which flag to the tar command lets you list files contained in an archive?&quot; etc.  But in fact, I pity you, because: not believing in help vampires, you are very likely to become a victim of them.  :)  Cheers." CreationDate="2015-11-17T02:09:38.370" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="5860" PostId="3710" Score="1" Text="I'd prefer just telling people to read `man foo` on their own system.  Add a link as well if you insist, but it's more important to teach people by example that the docs are on their own system." CreationDate="2015-11-17T05:12:16.240" UserId="7696" />
  <row Id="5861" PostId="3712" Score="1" Text="FreeBSD documentation, especially man pages, are often wrong for Linux.  Linux distros tend to use GNU versions of tools which can be **very** different from the FreeBSD versions.  also device names etc are different.  kernel options are different.  /proc doesn't exist by default on FreeBSD. and much more.  So if the Q is about FreeBSD then link to FreeBSD docs....but don't link to FreeBSD docs for Linux questions." CreationDate="2015-11-17T05:15:07.090" UserId="7696" />
  <row Id="5862" PostId="3706" Score="2" Text="I for one being a non-native speaker welcome anyone that commits to keep the quality of language and grammar in check." CreationDate="2015-11-17T07:13:11.277" UserId="138261" />
  <row Id="5863" PostId="3710" Score="1" Text="@cas sometimes we need to quote the manpage. And when that happens, being able to access the target system's manpage without it being actually installed is useful. (I'd rather not maintain a farm of VMs.) Nearly all instances where I quote a manpage goes like so: ``From [`man foo`](link to foo's manpage): ...`` If we're looking at different manpages, then telling a user to read it without specify what to read will be fun." CreationDate="2015-11-17T13:39:04.393" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="5864" PostId="3717" Score="1" Text="@Wildcard if so then that's just fine by me. And &quot;never progressed past being a noob&quot; and &quot;being a noob&quot; where exactly is this &quot;HUGE&quot; difference of yours in there? And I can understand this to some extent too, manuals are for the modern youth a thing of the past, we have google now, and other search engines. Generally people born in the mid 90s and grew accustomed to google right from their early computer use at ages of 5-10, these people are extremely unlikely to ever use the &quot;man&quot; command, because they prefer google. If google fails to answer a question, they will ask the question." CreationDate="2015-11-17T14:53:54.660" UserId="72554" />
  <row Id="5865" PostId="3717" Score="1" Text="@Wildcard (continuation) luckily these search engines often find these answers in the manuals of software and neatly refer searchers to said manual which is significantly nicer to read from a browser than from a terminal. But when the answer in the manual is too complicated or hard to find, I can understand them just going ahead and asking, and then the next &quot;never progressed beyond being a noob&quot; person is looking for that same answer, they will find the question left behind by the former one. That's progress. From my perspective the only way to be a help vampire, is to not use search engines." CreationDate="2015-11-17T14:57:05.737" UserId="72554" />
  <row Id="5866" PostId="3712" Score="0" Text="@cas, Linux documentation, especially man pages, are often wrong for Linux.  Noone said to link to FreeBSD for questions about Linux kernel or GNU; I was merely talking about UNIX and POSIX stuff, because, chances are, if it works on OpenBSD and FreeBSD, which are much more conservative than Linux is, than it also likely works on GNU/Linux, too." CreationDate="2015-11-17T23:42:57.930" UserId="28354" />
  <row Id="5867" PostId="3712" Score="1" Text="uh, no.  GNU options are *different* to FreeBSD options, not just a superset.  GNU &amp; FreeBSD versions of the same tools sometimes use the same option letter for completely different things, or interpreted in very different ways." CreationDate="2015-11-17T23:46:06.810" UserId="7696" />
  <row Id="5868" PostId="3712" Score="0" Text="@cas, no, not if it's part of POSIX." CreationDate="2015-11-17T23:49:25.067" UserId="28354" />
  <row Id="5869" PostId="3712" Score="1" Text="freebsd's options aren't necessarily posix.  nor are they a subset of GNU options.  While GNU versions usually have more features, that's not always the case.  FreeBSD's `xargs`, for example has a useful `-J` option that GNU xargs doesn't.  and `-J` is not a posix option, it's a freebsd extension." CreationDate="2015-11-17T23:53:17.727" UserId="7696" />
  <row Id="5870" PostId="3712" Score="1" Text="In other words, it makes no more sense to tell a linux user &quot;read the freebsd man page&quot; than it does to tell a freebsd user &quot;read the linux (or gnu) man page&quot;." CreationDate="2015-11-17T23:54:39.620" UserId="7696" />
  <row Id="5871" PostId="3719" Score="0" Text="Yes, that would indeed be useful. On a similar note, I [asked for](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/268290/203101) a `[formatting]` magic link on the main meta and someone was nice enough to answer it with a [userscript](http://stackapps.com/q/6650/17253) that lets you set arbitrary magic links. You might want to give it a try." CreationDate="2015-11-17T23:54:45.677" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5872" PostId="3719" Score="0" Text="@terdon I'd love to, thank you. How do I install it (I've read the instructions on where to get the code. But what then)?" CreationDate="2015-11-18T00:03:14.630" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="5874" PostId="3712" Score="0" Text="Both FreeBSD and OpenBSD, http://mdoc.su/f,o/xargs, clearly document that their -J is not part of POSIX (look in the standard STANDARDS section of the page)." CreationDate="2015-11-18T00:10:08.503" UserId="28354" />
  <row Id="5875" PostId="3719" Score="1" Text="[This answer](http://superuser.com/a/252049/151431) explains it quite well for a variety of browsers. I use the GUI (cinnamon) and a file manager to drag it onto my chrome's extension page, so just like Windows (!). Firefox requires the greasemonkey addon." CreationDate="2015-11-18T00:11:14.207" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5877" PostId="3523" Score="1" Text="Not a lot of point in downvoting if it's for a 1 point user. Chances are they are not interested in community and just want a quick way out of having to do any work." CreationDate="2015-11-18T09:06:21.907" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="5878" PostId="3598" Score="1" Text="I think the point was a request to be able to check back on a history of someone deleting their own questions, though." CreationDate="2015-11-18T09:08:02.583" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="5879" PostId="3523" Score="0" Text="@roaima Downvoting lazy questions does serve several purposes. After a few downvoted questions, [it limits the rate at which the account can ask questions](http://unix.stackexchange.com/help/asking-rate-limited) (with some heuristics to detect when the same person tries to create another account). Questions scoring ≤-4 are omitted from the front page. It also serves as a warning to people browsing question lists that the question is probably not worth bothering with." CreationDate="2015-11-18T12:18:49.033" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="5880" PostId="3717" Score="0" Text="@Cestarian precisely. Not using search engines is one of the basic hallmarks of HVs. They'll ask _instead_ of searching. And then, two days later, they'll ask the same question with a tiny variation because they can't be bothered to search for themselves." CreationDate="2015-11-23T15:33:58.763" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5881" PostId="3721" Score="0" Text="B is broad, A is slightly less broad. That does not make A &quot;to the point&quot;." CreationDate="2015-11-26T00:09:56.887" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="5882" PostId="3717" Score="1" Text="@terdon that's the thing, even with search engines, one doesn't always find the clear cut answer one is looking for, no noob is going to read through a whole specification of an API just to find an answer to their question... People often get labeled as help vampires for asking common questions when the reality of it was that they didn't know what keywords to search, as a result paraphrasing a common question unknowingly. I don't know if this is common on stackexchange (maybe the linux community is just brutally toxic) but people are often too quick to call people out as this or that." CreationDate="2015-11-26T04:50:30.317" UserId="72554" />
  <row Id="5883" PostId="3722" Score="1" Text="Not only does the question have to be two days old, but the system also makes you wait a day after starting the bounty before you can award it, so you'd still have to wait. I'm [attempting to get that oddness changed](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/268362/145982), but haven't heard anything" CreationDate="2015-11-26T05:57:52.623" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="5884" PostId="3721" Score="0" Text="@muru ok one could ask the question for one specific command (cat, echo, printf, ...). Would this then also be a duplicate of B?" CreationDate="2015-11-26T06:04:40.107" UserId="39954" />
  <row Id="5885" PostId="3721" Score="0" Text="Then you'd have the questions: a) Why that specific command? and b) What are you trying to accomplish?" CreationDate="2015-11-26T06:06:21.127" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="5886" PostId="3721" Score="0" Text="@muru Ok so the question is not for Unix&amp;Linux in general." CreationDate="2015-11-26T06:08:20.807" UserId="39954" />
  <row Id="5887" PostId="3722" Score="0" Text="@Michael Mrozek Thanks, keep fighting the good fight. :)" CreationDate="2015-11-26T06:49:18.430" UserId="3169" />
  <row Id="5888" PostId="3717" Score="2" Text="@Cestarian you still misunderstand but this is not the place to have this conversation. Poor Jason is getting notified of every comment we leave here. Come join me in the [main chat room](http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/26/unix-and-linux) and I'd be happy to discuss this further. You are misunderstanding what we mean by *help vampire*. It has absolutely nothing to do with newbies; it's a pattern of behavior, not  lack of knowledge that characterizes HVs." CreationDate="2015-11-26T09:34:00.280" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5889" PostId="2937" Score="2" Text="I agree with everything you wrote in the general, but you seem to have misapplied your thinking to that particular user's question. He didn't ask _How do I write a C program_ but _How do I write a C program to implement a very specific system administration task_. The same reasoning you use to justify shell programming (as an edge case) seems to me to apply here. StackOverflow is also used to apply to narrowly-applied programming questions; I use it all the time for that. But his question is much more specific to Unix&amp;Linux than it is to coding. Further, there's no requirement an answer..." CreationDate="2015-11-27T00:38:35.677" UserId="105631" />
  <row Id="5890" PostId="2937" Score="1" Text="... must be specific in terms of code. Generic answers such as &quot;look at the man page, section 2 of mount&quot; and &quot;look at the source code for the mount program implemented on busybox&quot; and &quot;ask at stackoverflow for more detailed questions&quot; would suffice, be more useful to the user and others that follow, while still retaining the spirit of what you wrote above and the guidelines (as I understand them from the OP)." CreationDate="2015-11-27T00:41:24.527" UserId="105631" />
  <row Id="5891" PostId="3345" Score="0" Text="I saw the link and I *still* don't get the joke...anyone care to explain?" CreationDate="2015-11-27T00:45:50.740" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="5892" PostId="3718" Score="3" Text="Looking at the user's currently-visible questions, things like &quot;command line argument with usage message&quot;, &quot;test expression--usage message&quot;, &quot;SED with shell script giving error&quot;, &quot;Using awk to sum the values of a column, based on the values of another column&quot;, etc. makes me think the user is posting homework. Their deletions may be (a) a recognition of that fact, and an acknowledgement that the very-specific basic questions they're asking are not of general interest, and/or (b) attempts to hide this fact from whoever will be grading said work. (Cynical me leans towards the latter.)" CreationDate="2015-11-27T08:35:54.490" UserId="42315" />
  <row Id="5893" PostId="3345" Score="1" Text="@Wildcard Every time the next year's Community Ads question is posted, it comes with a sample answer (an ad for the site's Twitter account). For some reason, it always gets heavily downvoted on some sites, and we seem to consistently vote it even lower than Server Fault, even though we're a *waaaaay* smaller site. This answer is just my silly implementation of Michael's comment, which implied we should treat that &quot;negativity&quot; as an achievement and show it off." CreationDate="2015-11-27T11:08:51.190" UserId="16404" />
  <row Id="5894" PostId="3727" Score="1" Text="http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/250981/270345" CreationDate="2015-11-27T12:31:38.200" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="5901" PostId="3732" Score="3" Text="Yeah, general distro questions like the one you asked aren't on-topic simply because there isn't a way to limit them so that they have 1-2 true answers. If a question cannot be singularly answered, it's usually a good indicator that it's an opinion question." CreationDate="2015-11-29T22:35:02.417" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="5907" PostId="3734" Score="2" Text="And even then, most of those are bound to be obsolete in just a couple months. In fact, the 4.x kernel one is obsolete as most distros already ship (on stable or next-stable) the kernel by default." CreationDate="2015-12-01T02:22:15.347" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="5908" PostId="3734" Score="1" Text="I stand corrected, Debian Jessie at least ships 4.x on backports, while security still have the 3.x branch" CreationDate="2015-12-01T02:32:46.603" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="5914" PostId="3737" Score="0" Text="FYI: That link in the question is appears to be a link to the offending file." CreationDate="2015-12-01T14:31:10.703" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="5915" PostId="3738" Score="1" Text="i agree with you - it seems the least we might do is nudge, you know? thanks for the answer though. it does answer the question, but @slm's is equally good, i think. so i'm still wavering." CreationDate="2015-12-01T16:49:00.810" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="5916" PostId="3737" Score="0" Text="i do get the difference between *closed* and *on hold*, which, as i think, is a lot less distinct than is the difference between *open* and *on hold*. *you* can see [this](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/q/3735/52934)." CreationDate="2015-12-01T16:51:20.167" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="5917" PostId="3738" Score="1" Text="@mikeserv toss a coin; it's only meta, after all." CreationDate="2015-12-01T18:07:25.533" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5918" PostId="3737" Score="0" Text="@derobert - yeah when I tried to click the link it didn't work." CreationDate="2015-12-01T18:40:53.110" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="5919" PostId="3738" Score="0" Text="well, i like the underdog." CreationDate="2015-12-01T19:19:39.217" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="5924" PostId="3740" Score="0" Text="Yes, in that example quotes would be stronger than the comment `#`. But in another example, there should be no quoting: `if [ $# -gt 2 ]` was e.g. used [here](http://unix.stackexchange.com/a/246816/103151). But thanks for the answer!" CreationDate="2015-12-02T12:16:46.447" UserId="103151" />
  <row Id="5925" PostId="3740" Score="0" Text="Oh, there's already an **[open issue on GitHub about this](https://github.com/google/code-prettify/issues/355)** from April 22, 2015. You may want to edit that in..." CreationDate="2015-12-02T12:21:39.640" UserId="103151" />
  <row Id="5926" PostId="3740" Score="3" Text="@ByteCommander `if [ &quot;$#&quot; -gt 2 ]` works perfectly well and is better practice. Even when not absolutely necessary, quoting your variables is a good habit to get into. The rule of thumb is to quote unless you _need_ them unquoted. I fixed it in the post you linked to." CreationDate="2015-12-02T12:31:39.040" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5927" PostId="3740" Score="0" Text="Oh, really? I guess I just learned something! ^_^ Thanks." CreationDate="2015-12-02T12:32:43.297" UserId="103151" />
  <row Id="5930" PostId="3743" Score="0" Text="thanks. Seems the question in my case was answered under comments so technically there was no answer (under answers section)" CreationDate="2015-12-03T19:21:08.783" UserId="143031" />
  <row Id="5931" PostId="3743" Score="1" Text="@Arden In the case that your question is answered as a comment: It is generally acceptable to ask the Commenter with the correct answer to turn his comment into an answer, and then you Accept the Answer" CreationDate="2015-12-03T19:51:00.837" UserId="64157" />
  <row Id="5932" PostId="3743" Score="0" Text="@Thomas thanks alot for the clarification" CreationDate="2015-12-03T19:54:19.217" UserId="143031" />
  <row Id="5933" PostId="3744" Score="3" Text="Isn't this how Team Fortress 2 got started? :-). &#xA;&#xA;I'm sure there's a whitepaper around that explains the psychological benefits of gamification through the usage and distribution of hats though...&#xA;&#xA;As long as it's all opt-in, I don't really see a downside to it... so.. yay?" CreationDate="2015-12-04T03:05:12.593" UserId="90688" />
  <row Id="5934" PostId="3745" Score="0" Text="Yes, that's exactly how it works. Once Winter Bash has started, it will take you two clicks to opt out, in which case you won't earn any hats, and you won't see hats on other users. The only difference to normal site operation will be the [extra icon](http://i.stack.imgur.com/7Dxfg.png) in the top bar. It's also possible for unix.se to decide you want to opt-out by default, in which case only users who explicitly opt in will participate." CreationDate="2015-12-04T06:43:08.597" UserId="353" />
  <row Id="5936" PostId="3744" Score="0" Text="How exactly are we supposed to vote for or against this.  I'm in favor of virtual hats (although I don't really like physical ones)." CreationDate="2015-12-04T16:37:39.630" UserId="141481" />
  <row Id="5937" PostId="3744" Score="2" Text="@DavidKing well, normally someone posts a &quot;Yes I want hats&quot; answer and someone else an &quot;I hate hats&quot; one and people vote accordingly. So far, we have one answer which is basically for, so upvote that one if you want them. Most sites just do it unless there is a clear consensus against it. Since it's not forced on anybody and everyone can opt out as desired, it seems innocuous enough." CreationDate="2015-12-04T16:44:30.353" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5938" PostId="3745" Score="0" Text="Excellent point; the feature should be a very minor disturbance to users who don't want it. I'd also say go for it." CreationDate="2015-12-04T18:13:44.173" UserId="88983" />
  <row Id="5939" PostId="3737" Score="0" Text="sorry, slm. i was thinking about it, and i realized there's a fundamental difference between these two answers - the question isnt about whether the linked questions could be improved, its about why the askers arent alerted that they could be. i think @terdon actually hit that nail harder here, and so, underdog or no, i switched my checkmark. but, [hey](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/3736/is-an-asker-alerted-when-his-her-question-is-nominated-for-close?cb=1#comment5917_3738)" CreationDate="2015-12-05T09:49:16.520" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="5940" PostId="3745" Score="1" Text="I edited so it's clearer that this answer serves as the &quot;Yes, I want hats&quot; answer. I hope you don't mind." CreationDate="2015-12-05T11:44:05.540" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="5941" PostId="3744" Score="5" Text="is there an *i hate hats* hat?" CreationDate="2015-12-05T15:58:55.097" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="5942" PostId="3748" Score="4" Text="https://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/10/vote-early-vote-often/ and http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/252506/question-quality-is-dropping-on-stack-overflow/252534#comment8259_252534" CreationDate="2015-12-06T02:46:06.933" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="5943" PostId="3748" Score="1" Text="@Braiam - do you see any close votes in the picture? is there anything in that comment you linked to about voting to negative three *(which i rather think is kind or hilarious, and appreciated)*. come on... the guys got 1 xp and hes already devoured. that sucks." CreationDate="2015-12-06T03:35:56.550" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="5944" PostId="3748" Score="0" Text="@Braiam - [i took another picture](http://imgur.com/3HTo7jf)" CreationDate="2015-12-06T03:40:11.487" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="5945" PostId="3748" Score="0" Text="Downvotes on questions don't cost rep, for a [very good reason](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/90324/213575), and why close votes = downvotes? A question can be badly asked but being on topic." CreationDate="2015-12-06T04:05:19.480" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="5946" PostId="3748" Score="8" Text="@Braiam - im not saying *dont downvote* - i would ***never ever*** say that, im just saying *dont downvote the ten minute-old user to negative three within the first ten minutes*." CreationDate="2015-12-06T04:25:39.953" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="5947" PostId="3745" Score="0" Text="I like hats like cats!  But @balpha's comment puzzles me — will a user be able to opt-in to hats in a community that has opted out?" CreationDate="2015-12-06T08:23:39.117" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="5948" PostId="3745" Score="0" Text="@G-Man Yes. It's also possible for a community to say they want to completely disable Winter Bash for no chance to opt in at all, but http://mathoverflow.net is usually the only site with that setting. You can find very detailed info on that in [this answer of mine](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/245153/can-other-people-see-my-hats-even-if-i-hate-them/245191#245191)." CreationDate="2015-12-06T08:27:49.630" UserId="353" />
  <row Id="5949" PostId="3745" Score="1" Text="Hmm.  It seems like @terdon has misled us, by presenting us with two choices when there are really three, and both of you are playing word games.  I would say that MathOverflow is the one that's opting out, while Stack Overflow is instituting imperial hats, which are invisible (until appropriately illuminated)." CreationDate="2015-12-06T08:46:09.413" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="5950" PostId="3736" Score="2" Text="&quot;Holding&quot; a question is a way of procuring good questions.  Questioners who aren't motivated by having their question closed are unlikely to be motivated by an alert that their question *might* be closed -- although sometimes we do see this with dupes, etc.  Another way of looking at this problem is (hypothesis) that people bother more with the &quot;close&quot; queue than the &quot;reopen&quot;, and often don't bother with either and never come back to questions they voted to close.  So another good alert might be to close voters that the question was edited!" CreationDate="2015-12-06T16:17:27.670" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="5951" PostId="3745" Score="0" Text="@G-Man - I'll bite - how do you like cats?" CreationDate="2015-12-06T16:44:09.750" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="5952" PostId="3736" Score="0" Text="@goldilocks - youve been missed." CreationDate="2015-12-06T17:37:51.783" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="5953" PostId="3736" Score="0" Text="[I've been busy](http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/users/5538/goldilocks?tab=profile) :)" CreationDate="2015-12-06T18:05:35.287" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="5954" PostId="3736" Score="0" Text="@goldilocks - milquetoast sounds nasty." CreationDate="2015-12-06T18:10:33.757" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="5955" PostId="3736" Score="0" Text="I like to think of myself as having a Rorschach profile.  At this point no doubt also a bit of an anti-fan club." CreationDate="2015-12-06T18:18:33.587" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="5956" PostId="3736" Score="0" Text="@goldilocks - did you just psychoanalyze me?!?" CreationDate="2015-12-06T18:21:33.527" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="5957" PostId="3736" Score="1" Text="No.  Is that what you think I'm doing? :P" CreationDate="2015-12-06T18:22:54.973" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="5958" PostId="3747" Score="10" Text="hatters gonna hate? ^^" CreationDate="2015-12-06T18:55:04.783" UserId="27616" />
  <row Id="5959" PostId="3748" Score="1" Text="whoever upvoted the comment - thanks for not upvoting the question. the `-3` forever-mirror thing looks *cool*" CreationDate="2015-12-06T19:16:37.423" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="5960" PostId="3748" Score="2" Text="dammit!​​​​​​​​" CreationDate="2015-12-06T22:47:13.047" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="5961" PostId="3745" Score="2" Text="@mikeserv: I like Cats in Hats, of course!" CreationDate="2015-12-06T23:49:06.280" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="5962" PostId="3728" Score="6" Text="Wouldn't it be less confusing if the binding close vote was attributed to the OP -- even it the OP may not usually be able to vote to close?" CreationDate="2015-12-07T14:08:56.470" UserId="16306" />
  <row Id="5964" PostId="3748" Score="0" Text="You should have linked the post, so that we can build our own judgement, but you eliminated every useful information (except the tags, but they don't help me, finding the post)." CreationDate="2015-12-08T18:12:04.383" UserId="4485" />
  <row Id="5965" PostId="3748" Score="1" Text="@userunknown - that was the point! i didnt want anybody pointing fingers or any such nonsense. you can say i made it up if you like, and you're welcome to disregard me as confused or stupid or any of those things because i dont offer anything here but my opinions - and youre equally entitled to those as well. but i asked *please*. anyway it wasnt intended as admonishment or a problem that required consideration or judgement - its just a request." CreationDate="2015-12-08T18:23:06.580" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="5966" PostId="3736" Score="1" Text="It has been asked many times on meta, but this issue has never been fixed." CreationDate="2015-12-08T22:06:49.593" UserId="16704" />
  <row Id="5967" PostId="3748" Score="0" Text="@mikeserv: I've seen similar suggestions about newbies posts, but examining the profile of the user showed, that he was new in that particular section, but a long time user of SO. So I can't see it that is the case here, too or not." CreationDate="2015-12-09T00:36:12.800" UserId="4485" />
  <row Id="5968" PostId="3748" Score="0" Text="@userunknown - [well, ok fine](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/247641/can-i-run-ssh-tunnel-in-ram). it probably doesnt matter as much now as it did then - its not as fresh.  there are a few links to membership profiles of other network sites in the user's profile page, but all are 1 rep and the oldest is too months." CreationDate="2015-12-09T00:51:49.737" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="5969" PostId="3748" Score="1" Text="mikeserv, downvoted to make your wish come true. Happy :)" CreationDate="2015-12-10T22:23:26.437" UserId="47538" />
  <row Id="5970" PostId="3736" Score="0" Text="Feature request: [Send authors an inbox message if their question gets closed](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/93842/148099)" CreationDate="2015-12-11T18:18:10.943" UserId="17535" />
  <row Id="5971" PostId="3750" Score="0" Text="Add a link to the question/answers you quoted." CreationDate="2015-12-12T16:42:39.133" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="5972" PostId="3750" Score="1" Text="@FaheemMitha Already linked. Look at right side at **Linked**" CreationDate="2015-12-13T04:29:05.353" UserId="66803" />
  <row Id="5973" PostId="3433" Score="0" Text="I'm upvoting this to stop Community bumping this question. Code in spoiler markup seems to be hidden fine now." CreationDate="2015-12-13T17:09:41.363" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="5974" PostId="3752" Score="1" Text="Because you are a whistleblower :P" CreationDate="2015-12-14T13:14:56.550" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="5975" PostId="3752" Score="0" Text="@Braiam - what happened to your face!?!?" CreationDate="2015-12-14T13:25:00.080" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="5976" PostId="3753" Score="0" Text="thats a big thread. now, why isnt it a hat? i thought it might have something to do with the 007 in my rep count. right after asking this question i switched back to the main page and took that last picture. nobody seems to think that at the link, though." CreationDate="2015-12-15T03:33:31.167" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="5977" PostId="3753" Score="1" Text="Because it goes *on* your avatar, of course... like a hat goes on your head." CreationDate="2015-12-15T03:34:34.747" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="5978" PostId="3753" Score="0" Text="yup. that nicely rounds it out. thanks, @muru." CreationDate="2015-12-15T03:42:51.663" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="5979" PostId="3753" Score="0" Text="i think that odinson answer is wrong there." CreationDate="2015-12-15T04:50:36.853" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="5980" PostId="3753" Score="1" Text="@mikeserv I just got it, and I did cast the initial close vote on [a post closed by a dupehammer](http://unix.stackexchange.com/q/249421/70524). (As did you.)" CreationDate="2015-12-15T04:51:49.757" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="5981" PostId="3753" Score="0" Text="you did? i just got it too. oh. xdg-open, then, i guess? so... i read it wrong then? i thought the answer for the odinson thing was that it was only given to the dupehammer people." CreationDate="2015-12-15T04:53:09.017" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="5982" PostId="3751" Score="1" Text="I don't think the question is &quot;history&quot; but I still think it's on-topic.  Software engineers are also people, by the way, and their choices of doing/not doing certain things are present in all the tools you're using right now.  ;)" CreationDate="2015-12-15T10:54:55.433" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="5983" PostId="3756" Score="1" Text="consider me consoled." CreationDate="2015-12-15T22:14:05.237" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="5984" PostId="3756" Score="0" Text="by the way - about the trigger - is it supposed to imply some kind of *espionage* - or illicit affiliation between asker/answerer? cause *that's* funny." CreationDate="2015-12-15T22:17:58.297" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="5985" PostId="3756" Score="0" Text="You're reading too much into it. It's designed to reward good askers and good answerers. Good askers, because they don't need anyone commenting to say &quot;hey you left out some critical piece of info, please edit/fix.&quot; Good answerers, because they similarly don't need anyone commenting to say &quot;okay answer but part three is wrong.&quot; The asker is rewarded with a very good answer and the answerer is rewarded with a hat (and a bunch of upvotes)." CreationDate="2015-12-15T23:27:22.247" UserId="2610" />
  <row Id="5986" PostId="3756" Score="0" Text="yeah, but... it was more funny the other way. also - aren't you forbidden from revealing that or somethng? im telling. anyway, your hat is cool." CreationDate="2015-12-16T04:11:25.743" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="5987" PostId="3755" Score="5" Text="i dont know if an *ongoing/dicussion based* question is really suitable here in the first place..." CreationDate="2015-12-16T10:49:58.683" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="5988" PostId="3755" Score="0" Text="I mean technically all questions are ongoing/discussion based are they not :P" CreationDate="2015-12-16T20:10:57.963" UserId="130767" />
  <row Id="5989" PostId="3752" Score="2" Text="Perhaps your definition of &quot;hat&quot; is too narrow, hmm?" CreationDate="2015-12-17T04:01:17.340" UserId="80868" />
  <row Id="5990" PostId="3756" Score="0" Text="woah. youve got the monkey face hat." CreationDate="2015-12-17T09:43:20.033" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="5991" PostId="3755" Score="1" Text="No. If they are, they are closed." CreationDate="2015-12-17T14:53:41.610" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="5992" PostId="3758" Score="0" Text="this is the right answer." CreationDate="2015-12-17T18:17:55.590" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="5993" PostId="3756" Score="0" Text="Yeah, apparently, just enough people [didn't like what I did with Greeter](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/312447/)." CreationDate="2015-12-17T18:19:39.047" UserId="2610" />
  <row Id="5994" PostId="3756" Score="0" Text="dont sweat it. i opted out of the hat thing last year but im glad i didnt this year - this is a *sweet* tux. and thats a *sweet* monkey face hat. there really should be an *i hate hats* hat, though." CreationDate="2015-12-17T18:57:20.570" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="5995" PostId="3756" Score="0" Text="How would people know they had it? It'd be, like... Schrödinger's hat." CreationDate="2015-12-17T20:11:55.190" UserId="2610" />
  <row Id="5996" PostId="3756" Score="0" Text="and that would make it *fun*." CreationDate="2015-12-17T20:13:51.403" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="5997" PostId="3758" Score="0" Text="Would you say that the question i linked falls under that category?" CreationDate="2015-12-18T06:04:28.217" UserId="130767" />
  <row Id="5998" PostId="3758" Score="0" Text="I originally asked it in Meta, because it felt off for the main site, but I now understand meta is for asking questions about the site, like this one. (its a learning curve)" CreationDate="2015-12-18T06:05:01.140" UserId="130767" />
  <row Id="5999" PostId="3763" Score="4" Text="i dont think its [all that frowned upon](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/9953/288824). and anyway, i never suggested the user not be downvoted - only that new users not be downvoted to -3 in 10 minutes time. -3 is unusual in the first place - pretty much *any* question ought to be given a half-hour to brew at least, i think. people edit stuff. and leaving a comment for a new user and later checking on it before clicking the button isn't all that bad an idea." CreationDate="2015-12-18T08:41:10.743" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="6001" PostId="3745" Score="1" Text="Turns out I like sideways hats the best.  :)  My Onion Knight hat works especially well for this, since it indicates the shape of a head by itself (unlike some other hats).  So now I am peeking sideways from my avatar like a Jardinains gnome." CreationDate="2015-12-20T08:25:55.213" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="6005" PostId="3053" Score="0" Text="@terdon well, that took a while. Ping received." CreationDate="2015-12-23T11:13:38.123" UserId="133153" />
  <row Id="6006" PostId="3053" Score="0" Text="@jimsug superping deleted." CreationDate="2015-12-23T11:14:08.773" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6007" PostId="3768" Score="0" Text="Thanks, I'll take your offer! (i.e. extend my answer and flag for undeletion when ready)" CreationDate="2015-12-23T13:24:16.850" UserId="106927" />
  <row Id="6008" PostId="3768" Score="1" Text="@DmitryGrigoryev cool, just flag or comment here when you're done. I can understand why that would have seemed kind of abrupt to you, sorry. I should have left you an explanatory comment. Just so you know, the question was prompted by muru's edit of my answer [here](http://unix.stackexchange.com/a/250985/22222) which quite correctly added the quotes. I just had a PEBKAC moment and didn't think to test with an argument containing spaces." CreationDate="2015-12-23T13:26:32.587" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6009" PostId="3768" Score="1" Text="@DmitryGrigoryev I just noticed that I had left you a comment. Could you please confirm that you were notified of the comment despite the question having been deleted?" CreationDate="2015-12-23T13:48:54.107" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6010" PostId="3751" Score="0" Text="Questions of opinion are already discouraged so your second example would still (probably) be closed even if historic questions were considered on topic.  I think clarifying the help page on this issue would be a good thing to do." CreationDate="2015-12-23T18:10:22.173" UserId="141481" />
  <row Id="6011" PostId="3752" Score="1" Text="If you wore it on your head then it would be a hat" CreationDate="2015-12-23T18:25:28.707" UserId="81004" />
  <row Id="6012" PostId="3752" Score="0" Text="@Matt - sometimes its the simple things that stump me. i think you just solved all of my problems." CreationDate="2015-12-23T19:01:46.413" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="6013" PostId="3751" Score="0" Text="I’m not sure what your point is. (1) Why are you commenting on my answer, rather than on Pandya’s question?  It refers to the same [Why isn’t Linux …](http://unix.stackexchange.com/q/73950) question that I cited. (2) ISTM that the tone of your comment is critical — but, at the same time, ISTM that you’re agreeing with my point. Am I misunderstanding you? (3) My other point was that some historical “why” questions can be answered objectively; e.g., [Why are tar archive formats switching to xz compression to replace bzip2, and what about gzip?](http://unix.stackexchange.com/q/108100), … (Cont’d)" CreationDate="2015-12-24T03:33:05.887" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="6014" PostId="3751" Score="0" Text="(Cont’d) … [Why was ‘~’ chosen to represent the home directory?](http://unix.stackexchange.com/q/34196), [Why is FreeBSD deprecating GCC in favor of Clang/LLVM?](http://unix.stackexchange.com/q/49906), and (probably the most objective) [Why is `cd` not a program?](http://unix.stackexchange.com/q/38808), all of which were highly upvoted (and not closed) and answered by high-rep users.  Thoughts? (4) If you believe that [Why isn’t Linux …](http://unix.stackexchange.com/q/73950) is close-worthy because it is opinion based, what clarification to the help center do you think would be beneficial?" CreationDate="2015-12-24T03:34:40.117" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="6015" PostId="3761" Score="0" Text="I think if your question is closely specific to a software, then Suer User is a good choice (Example:[this](http://superuser.com/q/945924)) but If It also deals with Linux OS (as I think your may be), U &amp; L is a good choice!" CreationDate="2015-12-24T14:33:44.873" UserId="66803" />
  <row Id="6016" PostId="3762" Score="0" Text="That third paragraph is the useful part of your answer to me :-)" CreationDate="2015-12-24T16:49:13.467" UserId="34868" />
  <row Id="6020" PostId="3771" Score="0" Text="How about just &quot;Kernel Space&quot;?" CreationDate="2015-12-26T08:20:23.453" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="6021" PostId="3774" Score="1" Text="Is the allusion to Facebook deliberate?" CreationDate="2015-12-26T08:22:31.793" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="6022" PostId="3774" Score="0" Text="@G-Man what? No. Dammit. I didn't think of it. Should I delete?" CreationDate="2015-12-26T08:23:56.683" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="6023" PostId="3774" Score="0" Text="I'd leave it and see how the community reacts.  Delete it only if you're ashamed of having made the association and/or of *not* making the connection." CreationDate="2015-12-26T08:29:45.020" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="6024" PostId="3774" Score="0" Text="@G-Man hmm. No, we should reclaim the wall from the filthy hands of Facebook." CreationDate="2015-12-26T08:30:27.413" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="6025" PostId="3774" Score="4" Text="Then again, Pink Floyd may have it copyrighted." CreationDate="2015-12-26T08:31:26.287" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="6026" PostId="3774" Score="0" Text="What does Pink Floyd have to with walls? Anyway, we're not in music, so it shouldn't be a problem." CreationDate="2015-12-26T08:33:02.553" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="6028" PostId="3774" Score="1" Text="@muru G-Man is presumably referencing the famous Pink Floyd album [&quot;the Wall&quot;](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wall)." CreationDate="2015-12-26T08:40:49.210" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="6030" PostId="3774" Score="0" Text="@FaheemMitha I'll not hide my shame any longer. I don't listen to Pink Floyd when high (or otherwise). :P" CreationDate="2015-12-26T08:42:14.723" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="6032" PostId="3783" Score="6" Text="Personal taste: I find &quot;The Room without Windows&quot; more pleasing." CreationDate="2015-12-26T13:57:25.513" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="6033" PostId="3782" Score="1" Text="I don't think there's any need to think of this as a potential fight. Sites don't get to own all possible room names related to their topic. Other sites already have their chat rooms named (if they want): Super User has Root Access; Server Fault has The Comms Room; Ask Ubuntu just has Ask Ubuntu General Room." CreationDate="2015-12-26T14:09:55.500" UserId="2376" />
  <row Id="6034" PostId="3761" Score="0" Text="[&quot;Super User&quot; it is](http://stackoverflow.com/legal/trademark-guidance) (the last section)." CreationDate="2015-12-26T15:18:49.853" UserId="8284" />
  <row Id="6035" PostId="3770" Score="3" Text="It might be good to have a note asking users to have answers sorted *active* as well, so that new suggestions get exposure." CreationDate="2015-12-26T17:50:37.450" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="6036" PostId="3767" Score="0" Text="also, you're wrong. you can quote the edge cases by quoting correctly." CreationDate="2015-12-26T18:11:19.463" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="6037" PostId="3771" Score="8" Text="Nice idea but I really prefer “User Space”. “Kernel Space” would be a fine name for the mod room!" CreationDate="2015-12-26T19:02:27.660" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="6038" PostId="3774" Score="1" Text="@G-Man I remember online exchange places called “wall” well before Facebook existed (possibly even before Mark Zuckerberg existed but that was before my time as well)." CreationDate="2015-12-26T19:04:26.957" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="6039" PostId="3792" Score="0" Text="But programming is off-topic here!" CreationDate="2015-12-26T19:12:47.420" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="6040" PostId="3783" Score="16" Text="I don't like defining “Unix” as “not Windows”." CreationDate="2015-12-26T19:15:40.887" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="6041" PostId="3791" Score="8" Text="SETalk, to avoid the unfortunate connotations of stalk?" CreationDate="2015-12-26T19:18:55.547" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="6042" PostId="3790" Score="0" Text="I don't know if the system allows arbitrary names for the chat rooms. If there are restrictions, I'm pretty sure a single nonalphanumeric symbol will trigger them." CreationDate="2015-12-26T19:18:59.860" UserId="18829" />
  <row Id="6043" PostId="3791" Score="0" Text="That doesn't feel sufficiently recognizably Unixy." CreationDate="2015-12-26T19:20:01.467" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="6046" PostId="3790" Score="3" Text="@rumtscho - well... there arent any stated in the question. and i think it would be cool." CreationDate="2015-12-26T19:37:04.027" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="6047" PostId="3797" Score="1" Text="What's the benefit in removing that section?" CreationDate="2015-12-26T20:24:55.153" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="6048" PostId="3788" Score="6" Text="Ooh, I like! It also carries the implication of swapping stories or ideas and the like. Very apt for chat." CreationDate="2015-12-26T20:28:02.273" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6049" PostId="3798" Score="0" Text="Really hoping that notification bubble is Gimped..." CreationDate="2015-12-26T21:19:05.443" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="6051" PostId="3798" Score="1" Text="@jasonwryan nope :P" CreationDate="2015-12-26T21:31:31.230" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="6054" PostId="3791" Score="2" Text="@muru Oh, um, good point. I thought of the noun but not of the verb." CreationDate="2015-12-26T21:49:33.847" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="6055" PostId="3784" Score="4" Text="That seems a little negative, and isn't true, since chat is preserved forever, so really is the opposite of `/dev/null`." CreationDate="2015-12-26T22:00:06.737" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="6056" PostId="3801" Score="2" Text="Check the footer. Look for &quot;other&quot;" CreationDate="2015-12-26T22:48:26.423" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="6057" PostId="3784" Score="0" Text="@FaheemMitha yes, but chat is also supposed to be &quot;a third place&quot;, somewhere where we can relax, let our hair down and just chat." CreationDate="2015-12-26T22:56:19.627" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6058" PostId="3800" Score="0" Text="I understand the logic but I find it unconvincing.  The purpose of the forums are to solve the immediate problem.  The future usefulness is just an added benefit.  Also, isn't this why long comment threads are collapsed?" CreationDate="2015-12-26T23:09:28.647" UserId="141481" />
  <row Id="6059" PostId="3798" Score="0" Text="My apologies to Gilles!  Frankly, I'm not sure how he has enough hours in the day for that much activity :)" CreationDate="2015-12-26T23:10:25.743" UserId="141481" />
  <row Id="6060" PostId="3778" Score="1" Text="My only concern would be that people unfamiliar with Unix (or generic OS design) wouldn't get it.  That may not be a problem since it's it's the U/L chat room." CreationDate="2015-12-26T23:22:46.193" UserId="141481" />
  <row Id="6061" PostId="3761" Score="0" Text="@PeterMortensen: I don't really follow, can you elaborate some more?" CreationDate="2015-12-26T23:25:22.493" UserId="34868" />
  <row Id="6062" PostId="3805" Score="2" Text="68k?!? that's friggin *fast*, man. ive never even heard of that!" CreationDate="2015-12-27T00:17:39.397" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="6063" PostId="3805" Score="0" Text="@mikeserv Oh, perhaps if I change it to `56k` your head/hard drive will stop spinning?" CreationDate="2015-12-27T00:20:49.130" UserId="136107" />
  <row Id="6064" PostId="3805" Score="0" Text="thats still two thousand forty-eight baud beyond my wildest dreams." CreationDate="2015-12-27T00:21:25.433" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="6065" PostId="3805" Score="0" Text="@mikeserv maybe you'd prefer a telegraph?" CreationDate="2015-12-27T00:24:29.853" UserId="136107" />
  <row Id="6066" PostId="3805" Score="0" Text="it would be more comforting, yes. i stick to what i know. i like the edit, though. what ive received of it so far, that is." CreationDate="2015-12-27T00:24:45.470" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="6067" PostId="3784" Score="1" Text="I concur with @FaheemMitha .  /dev/null is a place where junk is sent.  The connotation is minimum 98% negative." CreationDate="2015-12-27T00:36:37.567" UserId="19689" />
  <row Id="6068" PostId="3806" Score="0" Text="nothing beyond people like you asking. and [new questions](http://unix.stackexchange.com/a/246843/52934) of course. though i guess those are kind of the same thing." CreationDate="2015-12-27T00:37:25.953" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="6069" PostId="3795" Score="0" Text="Witty, and thus +1.  But, I doubt others will gravitate to it." CreationDate="2015-12-27T00:40:02.660" UserId="19689" />
  <row Id="6070" PostId="3774" Score="0" Text="Just a random reaction from a random user, but I saw &quot;The Wall&quot;, and I thought, &quot;What does a wall have to do with anything?  There's one on Facebook.  I stay off Facebook for a reason.&quot;" CreationDate="2015-12-27T00:45:17.963" UserId="19689" />
  <row Id="6071" PostId="3778" Score="8" Text="+1; but +1 more if it can be &quot;userspace&quot; with an ironic lack of space in the name, but lots of space to chat!" CreationDate="2015-12-27T02:53:21.870" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="6072" PostId="3808" Score="1" Text="sassy?!?​​​​​​​" CreationDate="2015-12-27T03:27:09.780" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="6073" PostId="3809" Score="0" Text="`/` is way better. sorry for the retraction - but i want the vote to count for the other." CreationDate="2015-12-27T03:28:26.843" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="6074" PostId="3784" Score="0" Text="&quot;Third place&quot; means part of the site, along with main and meta. Like main and meta, it's still supposed to serve some useful purpose, including both socializing and discussion directly to do with the site. It doesn't just mean anything at all that's unwanted on the site - a lot of that would be unwelcome in chat as well." CreationDate="2015-12-27T03:45:30.520" UserId="2376" />
  <row Id="6075" PostId="3779" Score="0" Text="dang. i went looking for another of yours i liked just so i could give you an extra for the *tittilating* Chat Room XX *(its a damn shame about that one)*... but i already upvoted this and... well, i like this one." CreationDate="2015-12-27T03:50:05.070" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="6076" PostId="3802" Score="5" Text="this answer cracks me up. [i did this once](http://unix.stackexchange.com/a/137273/52934), and am rather ashamed of the number of votes it received, but i still chuckle when i look at it." CreationDate="2015-12-27T04:25:13.370" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="6078" PostId="3770" Score="0" Text="@muru I'm not sure what your suggestion means. Can you elaborate?" CreationDate="2015-12-27T08:08:08.090" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="6079" PostId="3770" Score="0" Text="@FaheemMitha The answers are sorted by score, by default. So, the highest voted answers get the most visibility, and most votes from new visitors. If people sort by post activity/recency, they'll get to see new suggestions first, getting them a reasonable share of votes." CreationDate="2015-12-27T08:15:05.077" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="6080" PostId="3770" Score="0" Text="@muru I see. Ok. Shall I add a note to that effect to the question?" CreationDate="2015-12-27T08:16:24.687" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="6081" PostId="3811" Score="1" Text="I'd like to amend it to `cd /chat` - because otherwise everyone will going to their own local chat." CreationDate="2015-12-27T08:50:31.980" UserId="21109" />
  <row Id="6082" PostId="3794" Score="1" Text="Good Idea! +1; I like something like [this](http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/33481/mount-dev-chat) name" CreationDate="2015-12-27T09:17:17.197" UserId="66803" />
  <row Id="6083" PostId="3761" Score="0" Text="I think @Peter was just making a joking reference to muru's edit to your question, which (among other things) changed &quot;superuser.SX&quot; to &quot;Super User&quot;. As the last section of that link instructs:&#xA;&#xA;&quot;As a name, Stack Overflow, is always written 'Stack Overflow' (two words, capital letters). The website domain name is always written stackoverflow.com (no CamelCase, single word capitalization rules apply). Currently, all Stack Exchange Network sites follow this convention: Server Fault (serverfault.com), Super User (superuser.com), etc.&quot;" CreationDate="2015-12-27T09:49:17.877" UserId="42315" />
  <row Id="6084" PostId="3809" Score="5" Text="you know, `root` has home in `/root/`" CreationDate="2015-12-27T11:26:07.190" UserId="121504" />
  <row Id="6085" PostId="3800" Score="5" Text="@DavidKing [Stack Exchange sites aren't forums](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/92107/270345), and their purpose is not just solving the immediate problem, but [maintaining a repository of knowledge](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2011/01/the-wikipedia-of-long-tail-programming-questions/). The future usefulness is not just an added benefit, but one of the primary purposes of these sites. You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of these sites." CreationDate="2015-12-27T13:03:22.793" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="6086" PostId="3813" Score="0" Text="I suggest &quot;Un*x-like chat&quot;" CreationDate="2015-12-27T14:55:58.733" UserId="66803" />
  <row Id="6087" PostId="3805" Score="0" Text="Could you post each of your suggestions separately so we can vote for them please? Also, you may as well delete the first one if you're no longer suggesting it." CreationDate="2015-12-27T17:26:37.537" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6088" PostId="3805" Score="0" Text="@terdon fixed, sorry." CreationDate="2015-12-27T17:56:03.040" UserId="136107" />
  <row Id="6089" PostId="3805" Score="2" Text="Thanks, I liked `alt.unix` but not `comp.unix` and wanted to vote accordingly. :)" CreationDate="2015-12-27T17:56:50.483" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6090" PostId="3812" Score="1" Text="why not *`export`* `CHAT=...`?" CreationDate="2015-12-27T17:56:53.137" UserId="136107" />
  <row Id="6091" PostId="3794" Score="1" Text="Does all of Unix use `udev`? I thought that was mostly a Linux/Solaris/BSD? thing... I do like it though, but maybe `mount /dev/chat /chat` is better still, like @Pandya suggested." CreationDate="2015-12-27T18:07:23.973" UserId="136107" />
  <row Id="6092" PostId="3805" Score="3" Text="I don't like reusing the name of the existing discussion group `alt.unix`. We'd then need to have a way to disambiguate between the Usenet group and the SE chatroom." CreationDate="2015-12-27T19:53:56.220" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="6093" PostId="3805" Score="0" Text="@Gilles do you think that's a legitimate issue? not only does *literally nobody* actually *use* Usenet anymore, but the SE chat rooms are restricted to StackExchange and many users don't know about/use them, let alone the fact that people off of SE never hear about them." CreationDate="2015-12-27T20:06:17.473" UserId="136107" />
  <row Id="6094" PostId="3794" Score="8" Text="@cat: `/dev`'s been around forever in UNIX, predates `udev` by a couple decades." CreationDate="2015-12-28T05:04:22.360" UserId="5842" />
  <row Id="6095" PostId="3794" Score="0" Text="@Mat Considering Unix predates *me* by about 3 decades, I'm not surprised I didn't know that." CreationDate="2015-12-28T05:07:49.473" UserId="136107" />
  <row Id="6097" PostId="3819" Score="2" Text="So, what were we talking about in the last post?" CreationDate="2015-12-28T07:42:58.180" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="6098" PostId="3819" Score="0" Text="@muru What do you mean?" CreationDate="2015-12-28T09:53:41.280" UserId="80886" />
  <row Id="6099" PostId="3819" Score="2" Text="I was talking of `$_`, the shell variable, which holds the last parameter of the previous command (or the name of the shell if there was no previous command)." CreationDate="2015-12-28T09:57:13.130" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="6102" PostId="3818" Score="3" Text="Why spoiler-type hiding of text?" CreationDate="2015-12-28T11:49:53.530" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="6105" PostId="3794" Score="0" Text="@cat Now we also have [this](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/a/3823/66803) answer" CreationDate="2015-12-28T11:51:42.450" UserId="66803" />
  <row Id="6106" PostId="3795" Score="11" Text="definitely not /tmp since what you say here is recorded permanently" CreationDate="2015-12-28T11:56:03.957" UserId="52733" />
  <row Id="6107" PostId="3795" Score="1" Text="@edwardtorvalds Not if mods or room owners feel like deleting it." CreationDate="2015-12-28T12:00:13.277" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="6108" PostId="3820" Score="2" Text="I think `echo your discussion` would be better!" CreationDate="2015-12-28T12:49:25.783" UserId="66803" />
  <row Id="6112" PostId="3771" Score="0" Text="@Gilles, you should add that as an answer.  You already got four votes on it just having it as a comment!  :)" CreationDate="2015-12-28T16:46:12.967" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="6113" PostId="3771" Score="0" Text="@Wildcard [Faheem already did](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/a/3778) (otherwise I would have)" CreationDate="2015-12-28T16:49:16.813" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="6114" PostId="3790" Score="0" Text="It doesn't matter whether the question states any constraints. What matters is whether the Stack Exchange chat software supports your suggestion. I'll ask the team about it, I don't think it's documented publicly. As for cool - yep, I agree about that." CreationDate="2015-12-28T17:06:14.077" UserId="18829" />
  <row Id="6115" PostId="3802" Score="2" Text="@mikeserv but votes on meta do not count for reputation, do they?" CreationDate="2015-12-28T17:09:36.387" UserId="80886" />
  <row Id="6116" PostId="3802" Score="0" Text="@jimmij - beats me. this answer is still funny as hell." CreationDate="2015-12-28T17:22:47.223" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="6117" PostId="3790" Score="2" Text="OK, I asked about it. Seems like there are no restrictions other than a max length of 250 characters (but no minimum). It should work." CreationDate="2015-12-28T17:42:16.100" UserId="18829" />
  <row Id="6118" PostId="3794" Score="0" Text="Sounds totally like «девчат» in russian, which is some derivative of the «girls»; ⁺¹ though, that's funny." CreationDate="2015-12-28T18:23:52.380" UserId="59928" />
  <row Id="6119" PostId="3818" Score="0" Text="wouldn't a pipe `|` and `tee` to fork make more sense and be clearer?" CreationDate="2015-12-28T18:41:39.700" UserId="136107" />
  <row Id="6120" PostId="3820" Score="0" Text="shouldn't it be `echo $your_question` rather than echoing &quot;your question&quot;?" CreationDate="2015-12-28T18:43:14.803" UserId="136107" />
  <row Id="6121" PostId="3828" Score="5" Text="Personally , I like it - distinctly Unix, easily recognizable. If someone new to StackExchange stumbles  into the chat.stachexchange.com , they will be like &quot;Yep, that's a *nix room&quot;" CreationDate="2015-12-28T20:36:28.137" UserId="85039" />
  <row Id="6122" PostId="3829" Score="2" Text="A bounty doesn't add to the score of the answer, which is the default sort order. See for, example, http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/226677/270345, which is below 6-7 posts, despite having a bounty, because it has a lower score than those. (The answer right below the accepted answer also has a bounty, but it's also the highest voted.)" CreationDate="2015-12-28T22:21:47.993" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="6123" PostId="3784" Score="0" Text="@Jefromi no, a [third place](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_place) is something else. It is a place for hanging out and having informal discussions. It is third after the home and the workplace." CreationDate="2015-12-28T22:37:53.807" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6124" PostId="3784" Score="0" Text="@terdon Exactly - it's serving a purpose (social, discussions) for people who have two places already, not just discards cast off into nothing." CreationDate="2015-12-28T22:39:12.970" UserId="2376" />
  <row Id="6125" PostId="3784" Score="0" Text="@Jefromi true. I meant that it's a third place as in less serious and more relaxed. The discards bit was just a joke and filler to get the answer accepted by the system. I didn't mean to imply chat is full of crap." CreationDate="2015-12-28T22:43:40.410" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6126" PostId="3717" Score="0" Text="I just met an HV, posted a nice answer and it is plainly irritating.  How do you people deal with that?" CreationDate="2015-12-29T00:46:04.893" UserId="138261" />
  <row Id="6127" PostId="3794" Score="1" Text="I was thinking `&gt;&gt; /dev/chat` but I like this just fine...." CreationDate="2015-12-29T02:45:22.667" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="6128" PostId="3828" Score="2" Text="That's a great one!  I like it even better than `/dev/chat`.  I suspect this is also more recognizable to casual Unix users.  (I mean, shebangs vs. device paths.)" CreationDate="2015-12-29T02:47:59.377" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="6129" PostId="3821" Score="0" Text="@Serg, I like yours, but did you notice [this answer](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/a/3828/135943)?" CreationDate="2015-12-29T02:49:51.260" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="6130" PostId="3806" Score="1" Text="I wish there were.  That would take a lot of rethinking how the *best* answers rise to the top.  I think that's one of the biggest problems with the SE community right now, but there haven't been a lot of good suggestions (well, [not good enough, I guess](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/272651/introduce-an-obsolete-answer-vote)) on how to fix it." CreationDate="2015-12-29T03:19:08.113" UserId="54341" />
  <row Id="6131" PostId="3821" Score="0" Text="@Wildcard yes I did notice that answer , which was posted after I've posted mine; ironically it was next to mine when I was refreshing this page. Like I said in the commend, I do like it, it's distinctly related to something originally and uniquely Unix.  Shells and scripting have been essential way of interacting with and administering a Unix system since the beginning." CreationDate="2015-12-29T05:40:53.480" UserId="85039" />
  <row Id="6132" PostId="3806" Score="6" Text="**suggestion**: a user with a gold badge  on one of the topic, should be able, after a while to change accepted answer, or better yet, have a flag like &quot;editor's choice&quot;." CreationDate="2015-12-29T13:11:37.713" UserId="79818" />
  <row Id="6133" PostId="3767" Score="0" Text="That is entirely possible. I'm only opposed to the removal of my answer. Comment/downvote/edit as you see fit - I'd be glad to learn." CreationDate="2015-12-29T18:02:13.427" UserId="106927" />
  <row Id="6134" PostId="3767" Score="1" Text="I did neither thing. I did answer it. But I do agree wholeheartedly with your sentiment. Keep writing them. Get 10k rep. There ought to be more close/open voters here w/ that sentiment if you ask me." CreationDate="2015-12-29T18:06:24.213" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="6135" PostId="3829" Score="0" Text="@muru thank you for clearing that up! I don't know why was under the wrong impression, probably because bountied answers are pretty popular and usually rise to the second place when there is a different accepted answer. I'll delete that part." CreationDate="2015-12-29T21:42:57.883" UserId="18829" />
  <row Id="6136" PostId="3829" Score="0" Text="You can always leave a comment saying the answer is stale" CreationDate="2015-12-29T23:54:46.617" UserId="28496" />
  <row Id="6141" PostId="3830" Score="0" Text="@Wildcard Done." CreationDate="2015-12-30T01:31:53.413" UserId="66803" />
  <row Id="6142" PostId="3770" Score="0" Text="so... is it over yet? i think there's a pretty clear winner anyway. the *scope* of this contest might benefit from a little specificity..." CreationDate="2015-12-30T16:17:08.470" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="6143" PostId="3831" Score="5" Text="I think the room title should be talk(1), not just talk." CreationDate="2015-12-30T17:17:53.780" UserId="21109" />
  <row Id="6144" PostId="3831" Score="0" Text="@JennyD sure, let's go for talk(1)" CreationDate="2015-12-30T17:21:15.010" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="6145" PostId="3770" Score="0" Text="@mikeserv terdon thinks we should give it a few more days." CreationDate="2015-12-31T08:43:42.833" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="6146" PostId="3833" Score="1" Text="You can always attempt to fill in the details, I've done this on several occasions myself." CreationDate="2015-12-31T16:21:16.500" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="6147" PostId="3833" Score="3" Text="you can also leave a comment, which should notify the author of the answer." CreationDate="2015-12-31T16:40:30.427" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="6148" PostId="3794" Score="1" Text="Is it a char or block device?" CreationDate="2016-01-01T02:10:26.543" UserId="1049" />
  <row Id="6149" PostId="3806" Score="2" Text="related http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/261817/213575" CreationDate="2016-01-01T02:55:32.997" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="6150" PostId="3770" Score="0" Text="There are lots of great suggestions here, but some of them would not be easy to search for in Google, etc. Eg, &quot;User Space&quot;, and those names directly derived from standard commands. This may or may not be desirable. :)" CreationDate="2016-01-01T11:12:18.613" UserId="88378" />
  <row Id="6151" PostId="3794" Score="0" Text="I _like_ this, but am DV'ing in hopes of bringing the later entry [`#!/bin/chat`](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/a/3828/1925) higher in the voting ranks." CreationDate="2016-01-02T09:23:48.713" UserId="1925" />
  <row Id="6152" PostId="3794" Score="0" Text="@Caleb Thanks for your honesty, but strategic downvoting is not cool, in my opinion. Though I don't personally have a stake in the name of the chat room." CreationDate="2016-01-02T10:13:47.833" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="6153" PostId="3794" Score="0" Text="@FaheemMitha We can disagree, but do you have something better to suggest? It seems to me this is how the SE post voting system in general works: I think this answer is less desirable (useful) than another post and have voted in such a way that the sorting may eventually reflect that. That's SE post voting working as it was intended—if you want a really fair poll system we need to use STV or other voting system. As far as I can reason, using votes the way I have is the best tool we have access tool to make these posts reflect the opinion of the community." CreationDate="2016-01-02T11:48:36.503" UserId="1925" />
  <row Id="6154" PostId="3827" Score="8" Text="Might have [unfortunate implications](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexually_transmitted_disease)" CreationDate="2016-01-02T14:35:53.383" UserId="109780" />
  <row Id="6155" PostId="3794" Score="1" Text="@Caleb My understanding of the way this is supposed to work, is, you downvote an answer if you think it is &quot;bad&quot;, for some value of bad. Not because you want another answer to get a higher score. Granted, like many things in this world, it probably doesn't work that way in practice..." CreationDate="2016-01-02T15:33:13.847" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="6156" PostId="299" Score="0" Text="&quot;sudo enlighten me&quot; A bit too religious, perhaps. ;)" CreationDate="2016-01-02T19:07:16.100" UserId="22858" />
  <row Id="6157" PostId="1277" Score="0" Text="On Unix, most of the time `xxx &lt; somefile` can be written much better as `xxx somefile`..." CreationDate="2016-01-02T22:33:31.313" UserId="28496" />
  <row Id="6158" PostId="3805" Score="0" Text="@cat it can't be &quot;literally nobody&quot; because even if I'm alone, it proves your claim is false." CreationDate="2016-01-02T22:40:29.310" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="6159" PostId="3831" Score="0" Text="I really like the `talk` suggestion in preference to _chat_, but I think I prefer jimmij's variant of this, `#!/bin/talk`, which (IMO) shows clearly it's Unix/Linux land." CreationDate="2016-01-02T22:44:49.180" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="6160" PostId="3805" Score="0" Text="@roaima maybe but I still don't think it's a real concern, because the chat names never leave this site" CreationDate="2016-01-02T22:47:25.670" UserId="136107" />
  <row Id="6161" PostId="3805" Score="1" Text="@cat oh agreed. I was quibbling over your &quot;Usenet is dead. Film at 11&quot; comment :-)" CreationDate="2016-01-02T22:47:56.893" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="6162" PostId="3794" Score="1" Text="@Caleb that's why some similar poll questions on other metas explicitly ask for no downvotes, and final counts use only up votes. Unfortunately, by the time I thought of that, several posts had already been heavily downvoted." CreationDate="2016-01-03T00:59:26.373" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="6163" PostId="3794" Score="0" Text="@muru I'll keep that in mind for next time. :-)" CreationDate="2016-01-03T01:14:07.657" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="6164" PostId="3839" Score="0" Text="The answer that a poster accepts is supposed to be the &quot;best&quot; answer from his point of view, for some value of best. If there are more than one equally good answers, then I guess it amounts to a coin (or dice) flip. But usually there is one &quot;best&quot; answer. If the poster decides his own answer is the best, that's his business and his call. Everyone gets to make their own decision." CreationDate="2016-01-04T13:12:22.240" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="6165" PostId="3840" Score="3" Text="Given the usually high level of rules and regulations on SE, I kind of expected there to be more to it.  But &quot;do as you like&quot; works for well for me :)  In no way I wanted to imply that writing a long, exhaustive answer *and* giving up 2 points of ones rep when selecting that answer is wrong; I was merely wondering whether it's *better*.  I totally agree with your list of motivations, though personally I would add the slightly selfish &quot;test the depth of my knowledge&quot;." CreationDate="2016-01-04T14:05:02.173" UserId="128583" />
  <row Id="6166" PostId="3770" Score="1" Text="@terdon have you guys set a date on which this poll ends?" CreationDate="2016-01-04T20:14:55.353" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="6167" PostId="3770" Score="2" Text="@muru yes, two weeks after posting. That's the 9th." CreationDate="2016-01-04T20:46:20.610" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6169" PostId="3790" Score="0" Text="What about &quot;$HOME&quot;?" CreationDate="2016-01-05T01:02:29.057" UserId="46416" />
  <row Id="6170" PostId="3790" Score="0" Text="@sleblanc - what about it?" CreationDate="2016-01-05T01:04:54.043" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="6172" PostId="3787" Score="0" Text="I would counter with &quot;The Beasty Bar&quot;. Just as platform specific, but adds alliteration." CreationDate="2016-01-05T13:22:55.937" UserId="13377" />
  <row Id="6173" PostId="3844" Score="1" Text="+1 for ss64.com, but also the rest of the answer :)" CreationDate="2016-01-05T19:19:59.620" UserId="136107" />
  <row Id="6174" PostId="3844" Score="2" Text="Linux doesn't have commands, it's just a kernel. Several commands have been ported to that kernel. For instance, there are several different implementations of a `man` command that have been ported to or made specifically for Linux. That link you provide documents one of them, we don't know which one, it seems to be from 1995." CreationDate="2016-01-05T22:29:55.603" UserId="22565" />
  <row Id="6176" PostId="3839" Score="7" Text="A point to consider: self-accepted answers are not pinned to the top as other accepted answers are, so a higher-voted other answer can rise above it." CreationDate="2016-01-05T22:59:51.347" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="6178" PostId="3778" Score="0" Text="Somehow it reminds me of superuser, which is another QA site..." CreationDate="2016-01-06T04:48:11.960" UserId="2305" />
  <row Id="6179" PostId="3844" Score="0" Text="@StéphaneChazelas apparently the manpages are from Fedora Core 4" CreationDate="2016-01-06T06:19:42.937" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="6180" PostId="3790" Score="0" Text="@sleblanc, proposed below...." CreationDate="2016-01-06T19:01:54.013" UserId="28496" />
  <row Id="6181" PostId="3788" Score="2" Text="Yeah, but isn't unices specific - just about every OS has virtual memory in one form or another." CreationDate="2016-01-07T12:43:58.047" UserId="77319" />
  <row Id="6182" PostId="3846" Score="0" Text="One answer per post, please." CreationDate="2016-01-07T15:08:47.410" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="6183" PostId="3846" Score="0" Text="@FaheemMitha yeah, the quoteblock is the 1 answer." CreationDate="2016-01-08T13:56:06.457" UserId="77319" />
  <row Id="6184" PostId="3770" Score="0" Text="Congratulations to the winner!" CreationDate="2016-01-09T19:01:24.250" UserId="80886" />
  <row Id="6185" PostId="3846" Score="1" Text="‘linux stands for &quot;Linux Is Not UniX&quot;’ No, this is not true. Someone might have said that as a joke, on the model of GNU (which is an acronym for “GNU is Not Unix”), but Linux is not an acronym and Linux does not try to distance itself from Unix." CreationDate="2016-01-09T19:58:30.527" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="6186" PostId="3849" Score="2" Text="There should have been implemented **link in one direction**, from *raidX* to *raid*, so that if someone tagged a question raid5 then bare raid would be already involved (no need to add it), and &quot;experts&quot; informed." CreationDate="2016-01-11T01:03:48.923" UserId="80886" />
  <row Id="6187" PostId="3849" Score="0" Text="@jimmij Unfortunately, that's not how tags work—there is no tag hierarchy. One tag can't be a subtag of another, as far as the Stack Exchange software is concerned. You have to manually put both [tag:raid] and [tag:raid5] on the question." CreationDate="2016-01-11T17:35:23.913" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="6188" PostId="3849" Score="0" Text="**&quot;So you often need to know the RAID level(s) involved to answer.&quot;** —This is the key point.  Somewhat like we have separate tags for ext2, ext3, ext4.  Sure, they're all &quot;ext&quot; but that doesn't make them very similar—and if that was the only information given, many questions with that tag would be unanswerable.  Upvoted." CreationDate="2016-01-12T08:29:33.357" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="6192" PostId="3747" Score="0" Text="the hats are meh, however a nice big shiny button for starting a chat in plain view, would be great." CreationDate="2016-01-12T22:54:51.340" UserId="150530" />
  <row Id="6198" PostId="3747" Score="0" Text="@moonbutt74 please post a feature request for that sort of thing. I am the only one who's notified by your comment and I can't do anything about it. You need a Stack Exchange employee. That said, SE have repeatedly stated that they are not interested in making this a social tool. It's a Q&amp;A site and being able to open a chat with a user is not something they would care to implement. A position I personally share, it would be awful if anyone could chat with anyone. We already have chat rooms, those who want to can go join them." CreationDate="2016-01-13T09:09:47.567" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6199" PostId="3747" Score="0" Text="@terdon , i think you misunderstood but, meh." CreationDate="2016-01-13T12:37:52.703" UserId="150530" />
  <row Id="6200" PostId="3849" Score="0" Text="All categorisation is a compromise, there's always a use case where a specific categorisation approach fails.  In this instance, I take the approach that RAID5 questions are generally different from RAID1 questions, and questions about RAID (non-specific type) are more likely (in my view) to be broad, opinion or general queries (is RAID good, why do we have RAID, etc.)." CreationDate="2016-01-13T13:30:08.493" UserId="8357" />
  <row Id="6201" PostId="3852" Score="4" Text="I think your perspective is right when dealing with hardware RAID where regardless of the RAID level, it just shows up as a single block device. And if your SAN had a catastrophic failure, you'd probably call your vendor or ask Serverfault. But most of the site is probably using mdadm and software RAID, and we fairly regularly get questions about recovering from disasters." CreationDate="2016-01-13T15:30:50.647" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="6202" PostId="3855" Score="0" Text="This is a demonstration post to indicate how this should look when an ad is posted, now with 80px more width (to despise, as it were)! It also doubles as your twitter ad, but it's up to you if you wish to promote it by voting." CreationDate="2016-01-15T03:23:00.890" UserId="9541" />
  <row Id="6203" PostId="3856" Score="6" Text="RPi.SE needs more love." CreationDate="2016-01-16T15:45:42.213" UserId="95782" />
  <row Id="6204" PostId="3860" Score="1" Text="Derived from [Undo's ad](http://meta.softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/a/856/133)" CreationDate="2016-01-16T17:09:49.103" UserId="120145" />
  <row Id="6205" PostId="3849" Score="0" Text="@EightBitTony [I think they don't think differ enough](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/a/3852/41104)." CreationDate="2016-01-16T18:43:15.323" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="6206" PostId="3861" Score="0" Text="Note that the main thrust of history preservation is primarily objective, although I do agree motives for participation are of course important as well." CreationDate="2016-01-16T19:15:31.657" UserId="147451" />
  <row Id="6207" PostId="3839" Score="0" Text="See my proposal for a new feature on the StackExchange family of sites, addressing the issue, in my answer below." CreationDate="2016-01-16T19:17:21.010" UserId="147451" />
  <row Id="6208" PostId="3862" Score="2" Text="Not really, you can try offering a bounty but there isn't any method that I'm aware of to &quot;bump&quot; a question to the top." CreationDate="2016-01-16T21:33:21.563" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="6209" PostId="3856" Score="0" Text="@goldilocks - are you sure about the image size - I downloaded it and it came to 62.8 KBytes which seems to exceed the 40KBytes limit...?" CreationDate="2016-01-17T17:06:48.547" UserId="144991" />
  <row Id="6210" PostId="3856" Score="1" Text="@SlySven Thanks for that...grumble grumble I did use &quot;max png compression&quot; so I will have to figure something out.  Not really my wheelhouse." CreationDate="2016-01-17T17:13:43.733" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="6211" PostId="3856" Score="0" Text="Okay, done -- solution was to **posterize** to reduce the palette." CreationDate="2016-01-17T17:35:22.907" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="6212" PostId="3856" Score="1" Text="It's all that intricate PWB effect in the green background that is doing it, I bet.  But posterizing - which has side-effect of reducing the number of steps in any anti-aliasing - will help, as you have found... 8-P" CreationDate="2016-01-17T18:02:02.123" UserId="144991" />
  <row Id="6213" PostId="3859" Score="0" Text="Yes, please.  I think a majority of the questions tagged `bash` would be handled if people read that guide...." CreationDate="2016-01-18T07:45:07.013" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="6214" PostId="3867" Score="1" Text="Related: [How should questions cross-posted on Ask Ubuntu be handled?](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/q/990/136107)" CreationDate="2016-01-21T00:45:07.833" UserId="136107" />
  <row Id="6215" PostId="3862" Score="1" Text="You *can* edit your question, which is what I tend to do; even a null edit puts it as &quot;active&quot;" CreationDate="2016-01-21T00:47:09.093" UserId="136107" />
  <row Id="6216" PostId="3867" Score="2" Text="Yes. It should be closed." CreationDate="2016-01-21T01:20:31.510" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="6217" PostId="3867" Score="0" Text="@jasonwryan What should I flag it as?" CreationDate="2016-01-21T01:21:56.240" UserId="136107" />
  <row Id="6218" PostId="3867" Score="1" Text="Off-Topic &gt; Posted on multiple SE sites..." CreationDate="2016-01-21T01:23:35.887" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="6219" PostId="3867" Score="0" Text="@jasonwryan I flagged it for mod attention with a relevant note because there is no option &quot;Off-topic&quot;; perhaps because it has an open bounty?" CreationDate="2016-01-21T01:24:58.087" UserId="136107" />
  <row Id="6220" PostId="3867" Score="1" Text="Yep: &quot;This question has an open bounty and cannot be closed&quot; Meh..." CreationDate="2016-01-21T01:27:10.860" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="6221" PostId="3869" Score="0" Text="Oh, wow, even mods can't close during a bounty? That seems silly to me." CreationDate="2016-01-21T01:39:41.433" UserId="136107" />
  <row Id="6222" PostId="3869" Score="2" Text="@cat Not without refunding the bounty, which we don't generally do, particularly when it's almost over" CreationDate="2016-01-21T01:46:20.493" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="6223" PostId="3751" Score="0" Text="@G-Man I genuinely don't understand how the question about `Why isn't Linux the flagship of GNU?` isn't objective. It has a real answer (that Linux isn't free enough for the FSF blah, blah), and [the most highly voted answer](http://unix.stackexchange.com/a/73965/136107) is objective, not subjective." CreationDate="2016-01-21T03:14:04.120" UserId="136107" />
  <row Id="6224" PostId="3867" Score="0" Text="@jasonwryan why should it be closed? That is not a cross-posted question  by the rules of SE. Cross-posting only covers copy/pasting the same question on multiple SE sites. See my answer below for references." CreationDate="2016-01-21T07:29:42.630" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6225" PostId="3867" Score="2" Text="@terdon Minor tweaking doesn't hide the intent: to draw as many eyeballs as possible to the question. Now you'll have the same question (essentially) returning two different results in search engines--probably, given SE rankings, #1 and #2-- undoubtedly with quite different answers." CreationDate="2016-01-21T07:33:59.243" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="6226" PostId="3869" Score="7" Text="We can't migrate. The question on U&amp;L asks about Mint and Elementary, both of which are explicitly off topic on AU." CreationDate="2016-01-21T07:36:04.407" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6227" PostId="3867" Score="2" Text="@jasonwryan the OP is using 3 distributions. All three are on topic here, only one is on topic on AU. The answers could also be different since each has different tools. In any case, the question as asked here would be off topic on AU while the one asked there is on topic. That is enough to make them different already. If you have two different answers, so much the better. The AU one can help Ubuntu users and the one here can help those with different distros. I don't see a problem." CreationDate="2016-01-21T07:39:37.217" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6228" PostId="3859" Score="1" Text="...By the way, isn't [Pitfall 42](http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashPitfalls#pf42) incorrect?  The third example there (the one marked &quot;better still&quot;) does the *opposite* of the two examples preceding it.  (Is there somewhere I can propose a fix...?)" CreationDate="2016-01-22T00:12:25.910" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="6229" PostId="3833" Score="0" Text="Ironically, now that I've had my answer to this accepted, I now ran into a similar dilemma myself in the review queue: a snippet of code-only answer, quite cleverly written but very tricky, which I could *just* figure out with only two syntax questions...I think it would be a shame to delete, but it *needs* an explanation.  I left a comment, and contemplated downvoting but didn't.  But, I didn't mark it as &quot;should be closed&quot; or &quot;looks okay&quot; because neither one is really true.  Dissatisfied....  :)" CreationDate="2016-01-23T09:22:48.357" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="6230" PostId="3260" Score="0" Text="I've occasionally seen an ambiguous question with exactly two possible interpretations that was worth answering as stated, with a good answer that covered both interpretations.  Can't think of an example offhand though.  :)  I agree with the points you make here." CreationDate="2016-01-23T09:26:57.993" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="6231" PostId="3876" Score="0" Text="[Related chat discussion](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/27031665#27031665)" CreationDate="2016-01-23T21:36:53.033" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="6232" PostId="3876" Score="0" Text="Thanks, @MichaelHomer  There's some useful feedback in that discussion." CreationDate="2016-01-23T21:48:32.810" UserId="22812" />
  <row Id="6233" PostId="3751" Score="0" Text="I look at “the most highly voted answer” to that question, and I see GNU project restrictions, “public perception”, politics, personalities, and hurting the feelings of the Hurd developers.  (OK, that pun was intended.)  I believe that these are not the sorts of things that this site should be about.  I think my point is that questions about ***why*** living creatures (e.g., people, cats, and chickens) have done the things they have done are off-topic." CreationDate="2016-01-24T02:37:36.860" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="6234" PostId="3854" Score="0" Text="The limit on file size seems to be different from that [on Ask Ubuntu](http://meta.askubuntu.com/q/14925/158442), where it's 150 KB." CreationDate="2016-01-24T20:58:25.097" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="6235" PostId="3878" Score="0" Text="Very interesting answer, Hauke. Thank you for writing. But don't forget to add something with regard to &quot;tell the community their motivation for participating on this site&quot;." CreationDate="2016-01-26T02:20:28.117" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="6236" PostId="3879" Score="1" Text="Thank you for the answer. Some more information about your background and what you use GNU/Linux for would be interesting. Also, some information about what you used before your switch." CreationDate="2016-01-26T08:18:12.203" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="6237" PostId="3880" Score="1" Text="Very interesting answer. Thank you for writing, Rui. Note &quot;changing life interview&quot; is more commonly written as &quot;life changing interview&quot;." CreationDate="2016-01-26T08:36:01.817" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="6238" PostId="3880" Score="0" Text="&quot;Was place in a customer that loved my work, and actually the customer told to the consulting outlet several times, I was wasted there.&quot; That sentence could be better phrased, particularly the first part. And it should probably read &quot;Was placed with&quot;." CreationDate="2016-01-26T08:37:17.317" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="6239" PostId="3880" Score="1" Text="I will go through the English later on they day, still morning here...often my mother tongue gets on the way. Will add pictures too. Thanks for the comments." CreationDate="2016-01-26T08:40:33.970" UserId="138261" />
  <row Id="6242" PostId="3880" Score="1" Text="Added a couple of pictures, will do something later on as the work day is starting here." CreationDate="2016-01-26T09:17:38.553" UserId="138261" />
  <row Id="6243" PostId="3879" Score="0" Text="@FaheemMitha Done!" CreationDate="2016-01-26T10:36:26.953" UserId="66803" />
  <row Id="6244" PostId="2720" Score="2" Text="Kudos for the work, many do not value the time it takes to write a well structured post." CreationDate="2016-01-27T10:55:53.097" UserId="138261" />
  <row Id="6245" PostId="2858" Score="1" Text="Engaging read sir. I can pretty much identify with you in some aspects, through due to some strokes of lady luck, my life seems to have been a bit easier." CreationDate="2016-01-27T11:02:15.953" UserId="138261" />
  <row Id="6246" PostId="3859" Score="2" Text="@Wildcard no, just confusing. The suggestion never specifies what the operation should do, it only illustrates how to pass file names correctly. Yes, the 1st two delete any files without a `.` in their name and the last one deletes any files _with_ a dot, but both are just examples. The point is that globs are the better way to pass file names. I guess you could edit and fix it if you like (you just need to create an account)." CreationDate="2016-01-27T11:44:52.073" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6247" PostId="2858" Score="2" Text="@RuiFRibeiro - thats what the upvote button is for." CreationDate="2016-01-27T11:52:29.330" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="6248" PostId="2669" Score="0" Text="I have a cross compiling environment in Linux however it is so much easier to compile small things in my Lamobo R1 with a SSD disk..." CreationDate="2016-01-27T13:00:31.367" UserId="138261" />
  <row Id="6251" PostId="3859" Score="0" Text="@Wildcard, the [change](http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashPitfalls?action=diff&amp;rev1=413&amp;rev2=414) was by [@ormaaj](https://unix.stackexchange.com/users/7468/ormaaj) also active here. You can always ping him." CreationDate="2016-01-27T17:53:47.520" UserId="22565" />
  <row Id="6252" PostId="3881" Score="2" Text="A fully [Free](http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html), FSF [endorsed](http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html) GNU/Linux operating system!" CreationDate="2016-01-29T05:40:08.837" UserId="66803" />
  <row Id="6254" PostId="3794" Score="1" Text="@NathanOsman it's probably a FIFO" CreationDate="2016-01-29T07:55:31.173" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="6255" PostId="3865" Score="0" Text="Except the N and the U look funny...I guess someone scaled those down in the logo to look better.  :)" CreationDate="2016-01-29T15:11:56.687" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="6258" PostId="3858" Score="0" Text="Debian GNU/Linux - A Universal Operating System +1" CreationDate="2016-01-30T05:32:27.723" UserId="66803" />
  <row Id="6259" PostId="3886" Score="0" Text="Thanks, I usually do vote on questions.  Anyway, it just seemed like it happened many times in a day.  Maybe a glitch?" CreationDate="2016-01-31T14:24:37.960" UserId="151922" />
  <row Id="6261" PostId="3887" Score="0" Text="Curious what you're trying to accomplish with the question—are you looking for a package managers for a particular distribution (which I guess would probably be OK, most distros only have one or two) or for *any* package manager for anything on any Unix-like OS? (And if the latter... why?) [It's possible I've just posted an answer as a comment... please let me know if you were thinking of the one-distro case in which case I'll convert to a proper answer.]" CreationDate="2016-02-01T18:57:53.687" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="6262" PostId="3887" Score="0" Text="On any Linux distro. I am asking because if there is such a distro with a package manager that can transfer packages via BitTorrent I would like to give it a try." CreationDate="2016-02-01T19:09:48.130" UserId="27613" />
  <row Id="6263" PostId="3892" Score="2" Text="Gareth, the question you linked to certainly seems like a legitimate question. It isn't a request for &quot;learning materials&quot;. You say there have been other similar closures recently - feel free to add similar examples if you wish, and if you think it helps you make the point. I'm particularly interested in questions that have actually been closed." CreationDate="2016-02-11T16:06:31.317" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="6264" PostId="3892" Score="6" Text="The example you cite certainly looks like a valid question and is in no way a request for learning materials. I haven't noticed any abuse but this does appear like an example of it. As Faheem said, it would be great if you could provide some more examples. There have been a total of 34 questions closed with that close reason in the past 90 days, which represent 5.88% of closed questions for that period. Hard to tell whether that's significant or not." CreationDate="2016-02-11T16:33:53.470" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6265" PostId="3892" Score="2" Text="This is interesting. I've just ran a search for `closed:yes` and none of the questions are closed for this reason.  I'm pretty certain that even in my old age that I haven't got the stage of making these things up - yet. My only thought is that someone starts a 'close' off with this reason and others then jump in with other closure reasons.  Does UL show the last close reason or the majority?  I'm going to keep an eye on close requests for now (that's all I can do really!).  I might report back, or I might silently delete my post ;-)" CreationDate="2016-02-11T17:42:49.877" UserId="29406" />
  <row Id="6266" PostId="3892" Score="0" Text="http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/261616 currently has 2 votes for &quot;Request for learning materials&quot;.  It's a poor question, but it isn't a request for learning material." CreationDate="2016-02-11T20:17:05.223" UserId="29406" />
  <row Id="6267" PostId="3892" Score="2" Text="@garethTheRed The majority vote, unless a mod closed it for a different reason, etc." CreationDate="2016-02-12T09:37:49.030" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="6268" PostId="3894" Score="2" Text="Ping him on chat, or post the link to the specific review here." CreationDate="2016-02-13T16:39:10.273" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="6269" PostId="3894" Score="0" Text="You're welcome to contact them through chat, but your edit looks good, and considering it was approved anyway, I would say the person who rejected it was wrong" CreationDate="2016-02-13T20:58:18.793" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="6270" PostId="3894" Score="0" Text="@MichaelMrozek: It seems like my edit was rejected, because the question itself was not a good question, and my edit did not make the question better. Thanks." CreationDate="2016-02-13T21:04:07.933" UserId="151927" />
  <row Id="6271" PostId="3894" Score="0" Text="@muru: Unfortunately there are almost no people in the chat... :-/" CreationDate="2016-02-13T21:04:36.383" UserId="151927" />
  <row Id="6272" PostId="989" Score="0" Text="It is a nice feature that not only moderators can see them, but the person who deleted it, too. That way I can safely remove my answers without worrying that I might be able to use what I wrote later on. If there just was no -10 rep penalty, then everything would be perfect... :-/" CreationDate="2016-02-13T21:39:37.120" UserId="151927" />
  <row Id="6273" PostId="3895" Score="1" Text="When you deleted them, you lost the rep you obtained for those questions. I don't understand the title of your question. Why do you say that deleting answers is discouraged?" CreationDate="2016-02-13T22:03:33.623" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="6274" PostId="3895" Score="0" Text="@FaheemMitha: I did not have any upvotes for my answer in &quot;What does pwd output?&quot; and still lost 10 reps. But on the answer for &quot;how to allocate more storage for home directory?&quot; I had one upvote, but lost the same amount of rep (10)." CreationDate="2016-02-13T22:07:35.610" UserId="151927" />
  <row Id="6275" PostId="3896" Score="0" Text="Yes, now I understand. Thanks! I am right now able to give comments, but that is only, because my answer to a duplicate question got accepted and upvoted... -_-" CreationDate="2016-02-13T22:11:19.423" UserId="151927" />
  <row Id="6276" PostId="3895" Score="1" Text="That is incorrect. You got one upvote and one downvote on  &quot;What does pwd output?&quot;, which gave you a total of 8 rep. 10 - 2. Michael has also pointed that out in his answer." CreationDate="2016-02-13T22:18:31.330" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="6277" PostId="3895" Score="0" Text="@FaheemMitha: Yes, right. There were some &quot;-2&quot; rep penalty and stuff that I did not understand, but the answer cleared that up." CreationDate="2016-02-13T22:22:09.540" UserId="151927" />
  <row Id="6278" PostId="3896" Score="1" Text="@mkdrive2 Oh, right. I was thinking it's 100 rep to comment, but it's only 50" CreationDate="2016-02-13T22:25:46.343" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="6279" PostId="3892" Score="2" Text="Thank you for this!  I’ve been meaning to raise this issue for a couple of weeks now, but I just never got a round tuit (all my tuits are hexagonal).  I added some examples to your (meta-)question.  These are just questions that actually got closed; I believe that there have been others that accumulated some Votes to Close as a “request for learning materials”, but not enough to get closed." CreationDate="2016-02-14T00:05:37.093" UserId="23408" />
  <row Id="6280" PostId="3899" Score="6" Text="The close reason is extremely important. It is the best and simplest way to explain to the OP what was wrong with their question. The objective is not only to close bad questions but also to explain to the OP why they were bad so they can learn and understand our rules. Closing with a reason that doesn't apply because we're too lazy to choose the right one is most certainly abuse." CreationDate="2016-02-16T16:35:55.003" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6281" PostId="3899" Score="0" Text="@terdon sure: that isn't what I said. What I was saying is that the reason is not always a perfect fit; because the canned responses are not exhaustive and people don't often use the custom field." CreationDate="2016-02-16T17:14:12.707" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="6284" PostId="3899" Score="1" Text="I understand this and (despite the evidence to the contrary that I presented in my answer) I had actually read the footnote. I just feel that choosing a close reason that doesn't fit is very bad practice. Which is not to say that I haven't been guilty of it myself, hence the _we_ in my previous comment. However, I do feel that if we can't be bothered to choose/write the right reason, we probably shouldn't be voting to close at that point. It is important to educate new users and teach them the rules. In other words, we _should_ use the custom field when none of the other reasons fit." CreationDate="2016-02-16T17:29:57.027" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6285" PostId="3899" Score="0" Text="@terdon agree that we *should* use the custom field (I do sometimes), the reason I mentioned stats is because my sense is that *in practice*, few do--relatively speaking. I regret using the footnote now, as the final phrase is buried, but the post was already long enough..." CreationDate="2016-02-16T17:34:11.447" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="6287" PostId="3900" Score="1" Text="Excellent summary of the issues. Clear and concise. A clear explanation of why a question was closed is indeed most important. However, it doesn't help that the close question template is somewhat limited. It really should be much more flexible. Also, the help should be clearer about what kind of questions are allowed." CreationDate="2016-02-16T22:33:07.537" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="6288" PostId="3900" Score="1" Text="I voted to close [Please explain “kobject”](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/261525/please-explain-kobject) because it's off-topic, not because it's asking for learning materials (which it isn't). A kobject is an internal concept in the Linux kernel which is of interest only to programmers. This question belongs on [so] (where it might be killed off, not because it's off-topic, but because it's poorly researched, but that isn't a debate for this meta)." CreationDate="2016-02-16T23:21:16.127" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="6289" PostId="3902" Score="0" Text="thanks very much! i didn't think of that. i know this was a silly question, but i was surprised. this is obviously not a bug--any idea what i should edit the tag to be?" CreationDate="2016-02-17T07:52:55.343" UserId="135355" />
  <row Id="6291" PostId="3900" Score="0" Text="@Gilles yes, that could make sense. As long as it's not closed as a request for learning materials, I have no objection to its being closed." CreationDate="2016-02-17T14:10:47.160" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6293" PostId="3902" Score="1" Text="@JosephFarah Adding [status-bydesign] covers it" CreationDate="2016-02-17T15:52:22.960" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="6295" PostId="3903" Score="0" Text="@muru I've edited the question to make my point more clear." CreationDate="2016-02-17T19:48:01.513" UserId="93316" />
  <row Id="6296" PostId="3892" Score="1" Text="@Scott what on earth is a hexagonal tuit, and where can I get one? obligatory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVjWCwZ8MI8" CreationDate="2016-02-19T00:43:24.253" UserId="136107" />
  <row Id="6298" PostId="3905" Score="0" Text="I'm inclined to agree, Though the &quot;default&quot; part is crucial, am I right? Without that, the question simply reduces to having PHP 7 in a distribution, and that is usually possible through third party packages and/or backports." CreationDate="2016-02-19T15:47:30.267" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="6299" PostId="3905" Score="0" Text="yes, exactly.  i am asking about distros that plan to include it by **default**, not through 3rd party repo" CreationDate="2016-02-19T16:35:19.450" UserId="102202" />
  <row Id="6300" PostId="3906" Score="0" Text="If you look here for instance: http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ubuntu and scroll down to PHP - it shows the current version 7.0.3, and then in each version column the PHP version that is part of the distribution.  That is what I'm asking about.  So far I haven't one that doesn't require a 3rd party repo and that is what I'm after.  How can I make this more clear in the question?  It may be a non-starter at the moment but I have a feeling as time goes on this question may become more relevant." CreationDate="2016-02-19T16:41:34.810" UserId="102202" />
  <row Id="6301" PostId="3908" Score="3" Text="Because certain high profile users there tend to dislike questions that are not written  like from academia. Although there are users not like that, the former group of people always make the site hostile to nontraditional cs lovers." CreationDate="2016-02-19T20:02:04.303" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="6302" PostId="3908" Score="0" Text="So what? Are they the only users there?" CreationDate="2016-02-19T20:02:56.800" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="6304" PostId="3908" Score="0" Text="Complain on their meta. Flag for moderator attention." CreationDate="2016-02-19T20:07:38.790" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="6306" PostId="3908" Score="0" Text="Have you actually had a meta discussion on this, before giving up? It is a graduated site, not *hopeless*." CreationDate="2016-02-19T20:10:39.447" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="6307" PostId="3908" Score="1" Text="Huh, look at that: [Gilles is a mod there](http://cs.stackexchange.com/users?tab=moderators). If you call that hopeless, I'm inclined to think it's you who are at fault." CreationDate="2016-02-19T20:11:52.670" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="6309" PostId="3909" Score="0" Text="Can you give me even one real example of an upcoming release which **you are aware of** that will be including php7?  I didn't ask anyone to hypothesize about theoretical plans.  Looking for concrete news about releases." CreationDate="2016-02-19T20:13:30.013" UserId="102202" />
  <row Id="6310" PostId="3908" Score="0" Text="Go post on their meta. That's all I have to say on the subject." CreationDate="2016-02-19T20:13:33.820" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="6311" PostId="3909" Score="0" Text="https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=php7.0 https://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch - make of that what you will. Nobody's hypothesizing." CreationDate="2016-02-19T20:15:50.230" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="6312" PostId="3908" Score="0" Text="Not all moderators are like them. Gilles isn't amomg the people I mentioned. Patrick, a former moderator, constantly explicitly voice against their behavior and attitude in comment and chatroom, reopen closed questions and upvote downvoted. I like and miss what he did." CreationDate="2016-02-19T20:16:41.240" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="6313" PostId="3909" Score="0" Text="And while we're at it: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=php7.0, and we all know when Ubuntu 16.04 will release. Follow on for *every* distro that's based on Ubuntu and will release a new version based on 16.04." CreationDate="2016-02-19T20:21:16.593" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="6314" PostId="3910" Score="0" Text="Questions on the site itself should be posted on [meta]. Also: http://unix.stackexchange.com/help/deleting-account" CreationDate="2016-02-19T21:05:46.407" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="6315" PostId="3905" Score="1" Text="Hmm. You wrote &quot;as the default version&quot;, which is not the same as &quot;include it by default&quot;. The former means that `php` would invoke PHP7. So, which of these do you mean? &quot;as the default version&quot; is possibly significant, while &quot;include it by default is not&quot;." CreationDate="2016-02-19T22:22:23.157" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="6316" PostId="3905" Score="0" Text="@FaheemMitha - thanks, i understand how that's more clear and yes that's what I meant." CreationDate="2016-02-20T02:11:22.667" UserId="102202" />
  <row Id="6317" PostId="3905" Score="1" Text="Um, so which of those did you mean?" CreationDate="2016-02-20T07:14:59.073" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="6318" PostId="3912" Score="0" Text="Well.. the problem is very clear: higher level questions are theoretically allowed, but practically we have the 5 3k+ assholes which is enough to ruin a SE site. Polite communication won't work with them. Rude communication also won't work. The site is dead." CreationDate="2016-02-20T09:03:16.603" UserId="52236" />
  <row Id="6319" PostId="3912" Score="0" Text="Yes, they will stop any communication which is over their skills. Yes, they close any programming questions because they are stupid for that. Yes, they won't ever admit it. Yes, they only want some like of false sense of power here and not a high level communication channel. Gilles is an exception, he is not idiot, but it seems he will follow what the idiots want. Yes, they are stronger as we. I don't know what to do, I don't contribute to this site since this is clear to me. And this is clear to me since I posted this meta question. This site is dead for me." CreationDate="2016-02-20T09:08:07.053" UserId="52236" />
  <row Id="6321" PostId="3905" Score="0" Text="&quot;the default version&quot; is what I wrote in my original question and that is what I meant." CreationDate="2016-02-20T15:39:43.693" UserId="102202" />
  <row Id="6322" PostId="3905" Score="0" Text="Ah, Ok. In that case, the answers to that quesiton are largely besides the point, since including PHP 7 in a distribution does not make it the default. You might want to point that out." CreationDate="2016-02-20T16:37:50.247" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="6323" PostId="3915" Score="4" Text="&quot;no longer belong to their authors once posted&quot; ... They still belong to us. It's just that the licence is irrevocable." CreationDate="2016-02-23T00:12:31.433" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="6324" PostId="3913" Score="1" Text="One day and 83 points? You'll get to 2k in no time at all. :D" CreationDate="2016-02-23T01:23:45.737" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="6325" PostId="3915" Score="0" Text="@muru sorry, what? can you rephrase that?" CreationDate="2016-02-24T19:36:08.967" UserId="136107" />
  <row Id="6326" PostId="3915" Score="0" Text="@muru well, IANAL and all that, but as far as I can tell, they're in the public domain. Mods, for example, are within their rights if they chose to undelete an answer deleted by the OP. And the OP doesn't have the right to deface their own answers etc. That's the sort of thing I was referring to." CreationDate="2016-02-24T19:40:06.200" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6327" PostId="3915" Score="6" Text="@cat I still own my posts. SE, however, has a permanent licence to those posts which I cannot revoke. They can keep it on their sites and servers, but they have to do so while following the CC-BY-SA licence. I, on the other hand, can post it wherever else I wish without following any licence, since I still own it. Terdon, I got that, but it is dangerous misinform to say we don't own the content we post. We do, but we have granted some, but not all rights, to SE. SE and anybody else who'll publish our posts will always have to grant us attribution as the owners." CreationDate="2016-02-25T01:33:22.650" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="6328" PostId="3915" Score="0" Text="@muru ah, okay, thank you." CreationDate="2016-02-25T01:34:05.853" UserId="136107" />
  <row Id="6330" PostId="3917" Score="1" Text="Thanks for taking the time to enlighten me.&#xA;&#xA;It seems like the &quot;feedback&quot; feature is indeed what I was referring to. However I do not see it available to me in the Meta or main Unix stackExchanges, despite having only 8 reputation. Perhaps it's only a beta thing released to a few people? Anyway I'm sure it will turn up eventually.&#xA;&#xA;Regarding answering questions, I guess I misspoke, I was more so referring to the inability to upvote/downvote answers, but this feedback feature is perfect for us newbies. Its also good that informed people new to stackexchange can readily contribute answers. Thx." CreationDate="2016-02-25T03:59:11.990" UserId="113024" />
  <row Id="6331" PostId="3918" Score="0" Text="One issue is that security.stackexchange.com is for information security *professionals*." CreationDate="2016-02-25T07:51:20.470" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="6332" PostId="758" Score="0" Text="But you already have enough reputation that you can just make the edit anyway...." CreationDate="2016-02-25T08:12:35.363" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="6333" PostId="3913" Score="0" Text="@muru is right; it really doesn't take very long to get to the rep level where you can just *make* edits instead of *suggesting* them.  (And on a disrelated note, I love your avatar. :)" CreationDate="2016-02-25T08:14:14.113" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="6334" PostId="3917" Score="1" Text="@Tyler, I've never seen the &quot;feedback&quot; link either.  Not sure why.  I even went looking for it while logged out and couldn't find it.  But it doesn't take much to get to where you can vote, so...why not write some answers on whatever area you are most knowledgeable about?  :)" CreationDate="2016-02-25T08:18:12.160" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="6335" PostId="758" Score="2" Text="@Wildcard: Is it that unusual to you, to think about others, to remember of unprivileged time? Rules should work for a community, not just for some individualls, especially if those individuals aren't affected by that rule." CreationDate="2016-02-25T11:51:57.237" UserId="4485" />
  <row Id="6336" PostId="3892" Score="0" Text="@cat - a hex tuit is not a [round tuit](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/round_tuit)" CreationDate="2016-02-25T12:51:28.093" UserId="29406" />
  <row Id="6337" PostId="3919" Score="1" Text="Agree that this is a regression..." CreationDate="2016-02-26T01:19:12.860" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="6338" PostId="3917" Score="0" Text="@Wildcard Thanks, I guess I could try, heh. I kinda assumed you needed a lot of knowledge to help out but I'll try keeping and eye out and do my best." CreationDate="2016-02-26T02:39:24.607" UserId="113024" />
  <row Id="6339" PostId="3919" Score="0" Text="Yes, this. The same problem occurs in the mod flag-handling page. The buttons are much harder to read and more tiring on the eyes." CreationDate="2016-02-26T09:07:55.167" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6343" PostId="3913" Score="0" Text="@muru Has there been a change in the tagging privilege since I posted my question? I've just been able to add a tag (still pending moderation) without the nag." CreationDate="2016-02-26T19:20:39.900" UserId="157411" />
  <row Id="6344" PostId="3913" Score="0" Text="@Murphy I have been seeing tag only edits for a while now, enough for me to post [a fq about it](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/263640/allow-us-to-filter-out-tag-only-or-minimal-edits-from-suggested-edits-review)." CreationDate="2016-02-26T20:15:27.890" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="6345" PostId="3923" Score="0" Text="seems to be working on Unix. But this color on Meta (the black buttons [Add Comment]) seems to be still too light." CreationDate="2016-02-26T21:07:54.737" UserId="121504" />
  <row Id="6346" PostId="3923" Score="0" Text="@Jakuje The buttons on meta are gray for you, correct?" CreationDate="2016-02-26T21:08:51.930" UserId="156341" />
  <row Id="6347" PostId="3923" Score="0" Text="I am not a designer, but I heard about some rule of contrast between text and background. :) I added screenshot to the question how it looks here. I would say that it would be nice to have a bit more contrast in some way it possible ;)" CreationDate="2016-02-26T21:14:24.753" UserId="121504" />
  <row Id="6348" PostId="3923" Score="0" Text="@Jakuje Updated" CreationDate="2016-02-26T21:54:47.243" UserId="156341" />
  <row Id="6349" PostId="3923" Score="0" Text="Thank you! This looks better for me." CreationDate="2016-02-26T21:56:30.097" UserId="121504" />
  <row Id="6350" PostId="3918" Score="0" Text="Links? I rarely see questions that would be on-topic on Sec.SE, let alone also off-topic here." CreationDate="2016-02-27T00:02:57.893" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="6351" PostId="3918" Score="1" Text="@Wildcard On [security.se], the about page is actually a bit scarier than the reality: questions from non-professionals are usually accepted there, as long as the asker is willing to learn (i.e.. not “sendmetehhackz”). But only questions about security are on-topic there, not questions about configuring tools for ordinary users and administrators such as antivirus, SSH, firewalls, etc." CreationDate="2016-02-27T00:05:07.283" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="6352" PostId="3913" Score="0" Text="@muru Then there may be some *hidden* (?) tagging privilege, as I wasn't able to add tags without fulfilling the 6-char-edit requirement while my reputation was &lt; 200; yet I am now." CreationDate="2016-02-27T18:14:43.530" UserId="157411" />
  <row Id="6353" PostId="3926" Score="1" Text="So in this process do we have to take permission from user who wrote the answer as comment ?" CreationDate="2016-02-29T04:40:56.727" UserId="19072" />
  <row Id="6354" PostId="3926" Score="13" Text="@Raja - I would as a courtesy to the commenters. But as I said, most users of this site, I would expect, would be perfectly fine if someone were to do so." CreationDate="2016-02-29T05:52:06.923" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="6355" PostId="3926" Score="0" Text="Alright I will follow as you said, and thanks for editing my post. It's more meaningful now." CreationDate="2016-02-29T05:55:20.987" UserId="19072" />
  <row Id="6357" PostId="3925" Score="23" Text="When commenting, I am often phone bound, or doing some debugging/trial via comments, or have limited time and cannot provide a full answer, or do think the question/answer itself is not worth the investment to write a formal answer. Other people´s reasons should not be very different from mine." CreationDate="2016-02-29T16:10:07.967" UserId="138261" />
  <row Id="6358" PostId="3903" Score="0" Text="[`/vulkan`](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/vulkan)" CreationDate="2016-02-29T20:09:23.463" UserId="22142" />
  <row Id="6359" PostId="3927" Score="6" Text="You've actually changed my opinion of &quot;short rough answers as comments.&quot;  Excellent points." CreationDate="2016-02-29T22:32:11.050" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="6360" PostId="3925" Score="10" Text="@RuiFRibeiro Please see my answer for why this is harmful. (And note that we're having this conversation _up here_ as an example of the problem.)" CreationDate="2016-03-01T13:16:33.663" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="6361" PostId="3927" Score="4" Text="I feel like the most ambiguity on this topics comes from a comment that turns into an answer. When possibly probing for more info, trying to figure out what they've tried out. (ex. `question: I'm having problem with my website comment: Have you tried restarting apache? reply: thanks, that fixed it.` In a scneario like this it makes most sense to follow up with an answer, either by the commenter or original asker. I feel if a comment happens upon the correct answer it can be fine to leave it, but an answer should be added as well." CreationDate="2016-03-01T15:47:32.420" UserId="67807" />
  <row Id="6362" PostId="3927" Score="1" Text="@Dave Yeah, that case is... the least bad. :) I'd still prefer for the comments to be cleaned up, though, at least after the fact." CreationDate="2016-03-01T16:42:52.550" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="6363" PostId="3927" Score="0" Text="@mattdm Comments can still provide useful context after the fact, and since they can't be edited a little while after creation it can certainly be better to leave them sometimes than to delete them. It's all situational of course, I feel like if comments were editable longer after creation this could be solved, so that information relevant to the answer could be moved out, and leave anything else intact." CreationDate="2016-03-01T16:46:37.647" UserId="67807" />
  <row Id="6364" PostId="3927" Score="1" Text="Dunno, I like to comment when I'm giving vague or uncertain answers to avoid downvotes in case I'm off. The reason this is good is because stack exchange has this shitty system in place that locks you from asking questions if you've received too many downvotes. Would you rather I not post at all when I only have a vague idea of an answer?" CreationDate="2016-03-02T03:40:04.267" UserId="72554" />
  <row Id="6365" PostId="3927" Score="5" Text="@Cestarian Yes! If you don't know what you are talking about, don't answer. You aren't helping by guessing. You can call this all the swear words you want, but it's still true. If you are consistently getting enough downvotes, you're either not thinking about what you are posting or are actually not qualified to make this kind of call." CreationDate="2016-03-02T03:51:49.767" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="6366" PostId="3927" Score="0" Text="I don't think I agree with that philosophy. If I have a vague idea about what I'm talking about and nobody has given any answers, I should try to help, I would want you to do the same for me. Not knowing what I'm talking about, and having a vague idea about it are different things. What's with the condescending attitude?" CreationDate="2016-03-02T03:59:03.537" UserId="72554" />
  <row Id="6367" PostId="3926" Score="11" Text="If they wanted the reputation award for themselves, they have an &quot;answer&quot; button too." CreationDate="2016-03-02T10:08:55.273" UserId="65333" />
  <row Id="6368" PostId="3926" Score="3" Text="When posting someone else’s comment as an answer, you can make it a community wiki so that you don’t feel like &quot;stealing&quot; the answer." CreationDate="2016-03-02T10:37:13.123" UserId="26394" />
  <row Id="6369" PostId="3927" Score="0" Text="@Cestarian In that case, try for an answer, for the reasons I've given." CreationDate="2016-03-02T10:40:14.260" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="6370" PostId="3927" Score="5" Text="I'm sorry that feels condescending, but the goal of the site is to help people with clear answers they can trust. Putting *uncertain* answers which can't be edited or voted down ***above*** the real answers is not helping at that goal, and doing it explicitly to avoid downvotes is gaming the system." CreationDate="2016-03-02T10:56:04.010" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="6371" PostId="3927" Score="0" Text="I'd argue it is using the system to it's fullest, not &quot;gaming&quot; it. If you have something to add that you don't think qualifies as a full answer, why not post it as a comment? There are disadvantages to comments of their own (for example not all viewers will read the comments, and even those who do may only read the top 2-3 comments; and if you get a lot of upvotes for a good comment, what is wrong with that?) also if all you want is to score points, comments are the worst way to do it since you only get like 2 points per upvote right? Answers get 10, if that's not encouragement idk what is." CreationDate="2016-03-02T11:13:13.970" UserId="72554" />
  <row Id="6372" PostId="3927" Score="4" Text="@Cestarian You specifically said that you want to post these uncertain answers in a way that avoids triggering the site's protective features if the community finds them unhelpful. That's gaming the system." CreationDate="2016-03-02T14:14:55.203" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="6373" PostId="3925" Score="1" Text="Related http://meta.serverfault.com/a/1931/180142" CreationDate="2016-03-02T15:07:19.677" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="6374" PostId="3927" Score="0" Text="@mattdm like I said, that's using the system not gaming it. What are comments for if not posting incomplete answers, and answers you think might work but aren't sure would. Enforcing this somehow to get more users to provide incomplete junk as answers would probably only be bad in the long run, and users who are getting banned for the downvotes on said answers will just make new accounts to circumvent the (stupid) bans that are placed on them. It's not gonna solve anything, it's not gonna make anything better. And why does it matter so much if people read some comment before an answer?" CreationDate="2016-03-02T16:09:17.003" UserId="72554" />
  <row Id="6375" PostId="3927" Score="4" Text="I covered that, but I'll repeat: Comments are for clarifying and improving the question or answer being commented on. Answers are for answers. It matters because the entire goal of the site is to present clear-cut questions and direct answers without distracting baggage. By adding noise, you're reducing the signal." CreationDate="2016-03-02T16:12:55.100" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="6376" PostId="3927" Score="0" Text="Isn't guessing part of the trouble shooting process, especially when the person with the problem doesn't fully understand what the problem is? Although, I do agree that the problem is that we cannot downvote comments." CreationDate="2016-03-02T21:25:04.083" UserId="70847" />
  <row Id="6377" PostId="3927" Score="0" Text="@mchid But are you troubleshooting, or just providing a low-effort answer? That is, will a response by the original questioner provide information that will improve a full answer, or are you effectively dropping the mic and walking out?" CreationDate="2016-03-03T00:22:23.470" UserId="133603" />
  <row Id="6378" PostId="3927" Score="0" Text="@r-m No, if anything, it seems that it is more often the OP that drops the Mic or just doesn't want to put in the effort to work things out. Although, I have much more experience on askubuntu and I have found this is not as much of a problem on unix.stackexchange." CreationDate="2016-03-04T05:48:18.297" UserId="70847" />
  <row Id="6379" PostId="3927" Score="3" Text="Yeah, Stack Exchange isn't ideal for interactive troubleshooting. My suggestion is to focus comments on clarifying questions and ask for the details to be added to the question, not a back and forth in comments — and then erase them and provide an answer. If the questioner doesn't return, vote to close as unclear. I don't see any need to provide guesses as comments as part of this process — if there's enough that your diagnostic process might be useful to some future viewers, *make it an answer*." CreationDate="2016-03-04T10:01:39.860" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="6380" PostId="3927" Score="0" Text="I think a dogmatic approach like this harms the overall process.  If I'm in a room with people and someone asks a question, and I have an idea but don't say anything, then it doesn't help spark further ideas in other people.  The end game on this site is to answer questions in a useful way, but the process can be collaborative, and if it's not, the output is less rich.  We should accept that some people aren't going to write answers, or some people want to propose ideas for others to develop, and if we stifle that, I personally feel we lose some value." CreationDate="2016-03-04T11:08:07.260" UserId="8357" />
  <row Id="6381" PostId="3926" Score="4" Text="It's clear this issue splits people, and it looks like it's a reasonably even split.  But for me, the collaborative element of Stackexchange is crucial, and answers, half-answers, ideas, theories and out-of-the-box wild theories as comments are all critical.  Sometimes I have an idea that'll solve the problem *if my assumptions are correct*, but I ask to confirm them first, and sometimes I'll ask if my assumptions are correct by posting a comment with the suggested solution and if it works, I'll write it up as answer.  I think it's a valuable tool in the process." CreationDate="2016-03-04T11:11:42.670" UserId="8357" />
  <row Id="6382" PostId="3929" Score="0" Text="Hi Raja. Thank you for writing. Can you flesh out your answer a bit? Such as why you are on this site?" CreationDate="2016-03-04T13:35:46.213" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="6383" PostId="3927" Score="1" Text="@EightBitTony Can you explain why you can't do that with answers?" CreationDate="2016-03-04T13:47:32.707" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="6384" PostId="3927" Score="0" Text="@mattdm because you're clearly against half-formed answers as answers as well - and so am I, I don't think writing 'you could probably do this with `some-obscure-tool` I remember but I can't find the man page right now' as an answer is wise.  But I might write it as a comment and hope someone else recognises `some-obscure-tool` and writes up an answer with it.  I know you've already responded to that above, and disagree with it, and that's fine, but I feel that your suggested approach is dogmatic, restrictive and unhelpful overall." CreationDate="2016-03-04T13:49:59.637" UserId="8357" />
  <row Id="6385" PostId="3927" Score="0" Text="I also don't personally feel that comments carry more weight than answers, I'm a reader of StackExchange sites as well as a contributor, and I read the top voted answer long before I read any comments.  The only thing that frustrates me is answers which have comments which significantly improve the answer without being folded in.  Answers under the original question, I just ignore unless the accepted answer doesn't help." CreationDate="2016-03-04T13:57:28.237" UserId="8357" />
  <row Id="6386" PostId="3929" Score="0" Text="I can't put this in format as I am writing this from mobile chrome browser." CreationDate="2016-03-04T15:46:10.093" UserId="19072" />
  <row Id="6387" PostId="3929" Score="0" Text="Thank you for the update." CreationDate="2016-03-04T16:08:09.590" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="6388" PostId="3927" Score="2" Text="`&quot;But, I did that because I didn't have a complete or real answer&quot;. That's actually worse! Now these lower-quality partial answers come above the real ones, can't be voted on properly, and can't be improved.` The comments aren't all loaded by default, nor do I bother to read them half the time. However, if there aren't any good answers, it can be helpful if someone said &quot;I'd guess the problem has something to do with foo&quot;. Would it be ideal if they rounded that out? Sure! But help is help, and if the options are &quot;some help&quot; v. &quot;all or nothing&quot;, I'm accepting &quot;some help&quot; every time." CreationDate="2016-03-04T20:17:03.140" UserId="74972" />
  <row Id="6389" PostId="3927" Score="4" Text="If a full answer takes 20 minutes to write, and a quick comment that provides 90% of the information necessary to solve the problem takes 30 seconds, instituting a policy against such comments wouldn't result in a larger number of helpful answers, it'd just result in a smaller number of helpful comments. Because most of the people who would leave a 30-second comment aren't going to write a 20-minute answer." CreationDate="2016-03-04T20:19:35.843" UserId="74972" />
  <row Id="6390" PostId="2720" Score="1" Text="No doubt at all, you are the man. I am very glad that I know one person who knows Linux history more than any one I knew around.And Thank you for sharing" CreationDate="2016-03-06T13:46:31.980" UserId="19072" />
  <row Id="6391" PostId="3927" Score="3" Text="@ParthianShot That seems irrelevant to the issue here. If you can give a 90% answer in 30 seconds, you can write it in the space marked &quot;answers&quot;." CreationDate="2016-03-07T16:37:22.527" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="6392" PostId="3932" Score="1" Text="If this does happen, there's an automated system for it, you don't need to start retagging questions one at a time" CreationDate="2016-03-07T19:52:19.250" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="6393" PostId="3926" Score="0" Text="That sounds like a good idea. Sometimes I'll offer a comment that needs fleshing out. I may not have time, but want to try and help the OP. I've had several say that work's for me, make it an answer. After obliging, the experts chime in and poke holes in the answer (not POSIX, not my shell, etc). Now I often comment first, answer later, if at all." CreationDate="2016-03-07T21:37:54.267" UserId="12924" />
  <row Id="6394" PostId="3927" Score="4" Text="I find this _really_ important. We have a Q&amp;A model for a reason. Let's not break that model out of laziness. If you don't have time to write an answer, _don't_! Let somebody else do it. http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/247446/155739" CreationDate="2016-03-07T22:26:13.943" UserId="66358" />
  <row Id="6395" PostId="3932" Score="0" Text="Uh.. Why would you retag 209 questions instead of 8? O.o Wouldn't it be better to make the vaguer time a synonym of time-utility?" CreationDate="2016-03-07T22:37:26.443" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="6396" PostId="3927" Score="0" Text="Because of this answer, I just wrote [this](http://unix.stackexchange.com/a/268287/135943) as a brief answer instead of doing what I would have done previously and posting it as a comment." CreationDate="2016-03-08T01:10:18.140" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="6397" PostId="3932" Score="0" Text="@muru that's the direction I was thinking of, but if there were opinions in the other direction, I didn't want to make extra work. I also didn't know if a tag had to be empty of questions before it could be made a synonym." CreationDate="2016-03-09T01:58:33.543" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="6398" PostId="3932" Score="0" Text="A lot of questions currently tagged [tag:time] (a majority, in fact, by my cursory sampling) are not about the `time` utility." CreationDate="2016-03-09T02:17:23.940" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="6399" PostId="3912" Score="0" Text="Hehe, the joke of the day: yesterday afternoon I've got a serial downvote. It seems I have an anti-programming fan." CreationDate="2016-03-09T08:25:21.103" UserId="52236" />
  <row Id="6401" PostId="3927" Score="2" Text="thought to say, I find it annoying that everybody expects some long formal answer with step-by-step instructions for babies. I think that one should be greatful even for an answer with 3 words that gets you going." CreationDate="2016-03-11T13:20:39.403" UserId="14907" />
  <row Id="6402" PostId="3926" Score="0" Text="@EightBitTony I don't see that as a problem; you're using the comments to clarify the question and work towards a better (actual) answer." CreationDate="2016-03-11T14:11:10.627" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="6403" PostId="3926" Score="1" Text="FWIW, I don't see it as all that evenly split. This top-voted answer is against comments as answers, but soft on it. My answer (second voted up, currently), is the hard-line don't-do-it. And the third — with many fewer votes — is still just &quot;it's okay in some very particular situations&quot;. There's no &quot;yes this is fine&quot; answer at all." CreationDate="2016-03-11T14:13:50.483" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="6404" PostId="3930" Score="1" Text="I definitely understand the impulse, because we're here to help, but if the question is _bad_ (silly, duplicate, etc.), doesn't answering anyway (in a comment or otherwise) just encourage the behavior? (&quot;I know this isn't supposed to be allowed, but I get what I want when I do it, so I'll keep it up.&quot;)" CreationDate="2016-03-11T14:15:23.517" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="6405" PostId="3930" Score="1" Text="I often can tell between lazy and clueless. It's bad to encourage the former, but the latter sometimes deserves some guidance, even if the question itself is of little interest to others and should be removed. I agree with you that posting answers in comments should not be done in cases where regular answers are in order, but I don't see the problem with someone providing a quick hint in a comment and someone else elaborating that hint in an answer. The comment itself may be removed afterwards, especially if it is misleading or obsolete." CreationDate="2016-03-11T14:47:30.880" UserId="106927" />
  <row Id="6406" PostId="3925" Score="0" Text="Because otherwise people had one less reason to do downvotes, as self-answering your questions seems to be very frowned upon." CreationDate="2016-03-13T12:26:06.480" UserId="21880" />
  <row Id="6407" PostId="3925" Score="0" Text="@sjas I didnt get you. Please explain clearly" CreationDate="2016-03-13T15:50:05.210" UserId="19072" />
  <row Id="6408" PostId="3925" Score="0" Text="From what I experienced, it is not worth the time to post solutions to your own problems, as they tend to receive downvotes mostly. People seem to think that you are a 'gold digger' for reputation points or something. I beg your pardon for my sarcasm in my last comment, I should have made that clearer." CreationDate="2016-03-13T19:51:49.480" UserId="21880" />
  <row Id="6409" PostId="3774" Score="0" Text="Now that I've read all 5 published volumes of [A Song of Ice and Fire](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Song_of_Ice_and_Fire), I thought of—well, you already know what I thought of." CreationDate="2016-03-18T05:56:43.890" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="6410" PostId="3814" Score="0" Text="I suppose that would mean &quot;chat&quot; is the name of the user...." CreationDate="2016-03-18T05:59:15.937" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="6411" PostId="3820" Score="0" Text="@tac it should be [`printf %s\\n &quot;$your_question&quot;`](http://unix.stackexchange.com/q/131766/135943) but that's too wordy for a chat room name." CreationDate="2016-03-18T06:02:53.890" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="6412" PostId="3830" Score="0" Text="what do you mean &quot;Done&quot;?  I just saw this." CreationDate="2016-03-18T06:04:33.043" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="6413" PostId="3774" Score="1" Text="@Wildcard FWIW, I wouldn't have required an oath of celibacy." CreationDate="2016-03-18T06:04:48.677" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="6414" PostId="3942" Score="3" Text="There should be a meta tag, &quot;yet another thing that's been exhaustively discussed on SE that I am unaware of&quot; -- learning something every day; thank you!" CreationDate="2016-03-18T11:04:18.380" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="6416" PostId="3830" Score="1" Text="@Wildcard http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/28341814#28341814" CreationDate="2016-03-18T12:22:01.283" UserId="66803" />
  <row Id="6417" PostId="3942" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller - this used to drive me crazy too but I've learned to just live with it 8-). Congrats on the 5k leveling up!" CreationDate="2016-03-18T12:51:45.423" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="6418" PostId="3943" Score="7" Text="Have you considered editing the question (once you finally find it) to make it more discoverable?" CreationDate="2016-03-19T10:09:07.927" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="6419" PostId="3943" Score="13" Text="Note: I usually find questions better using Google than using the site search. Use `site:unix.stackexchange.com` in addition to the search keywords. Except for search that involves symbols (google strips them) it usually works." CreationDate="2016-03-20T15:48:53.230" UserId="154971" />
  <row Id="6420" PostId="3943" Score="0" Text="If you're creating a duplicate, it's worth spelling out why any dupe-candidates _don't_ meet your needs." CreationDate="2016-03-21T10:57:18.170" UserId="65333" />
  <row Id="6421" PostId="3943" Score="3" Text="Of course, if you *really **really*** can't find the old/existing question, you should definitely post a new question.  After all, the old question might have been deleted.  (This is assuming that the question is on-topic, well scoped, objective, and that you can ask it clearly.)" CreationDate="2016-03-27T01:53:47.013" UserId="23408" />
  <row Id="6422" PostId="3943" Score="0" Text="https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/232242/help-us-find-duplicates-efficiently" CreationDate="2016-03-27T06:42:57.507" UserDisplayName="user591" />
  <row Id="6423" PostId="3944" Score="6" Text="That would be hard to do if you can't find it..." CreationDate="2016-03-29T04:12:42.210" UserId="155357" />
  <row Id="6424" PostId="3943" Score="1" Text="@RealSkeptic I find that adding quotes (e.g. `&quot;c++&quot; site:unix.stackexchange.com`) *usually* helps." CreationDate="2016-03-29T16:24:51.523" UserId="5788" />
  <row Id="6425" PostId="3943" Score="0" Text="@WayneWerner It only works for a very small number of terms, &quot;C++&quot; being one of them because it's a common combination. But &quot;!=&quot; and so on won't work." CreationDate="2016-03-29T17:21:49.243" UserId="154971" />
  <row Id="6426" PostId="3862" Score="0" Text="@tac But please make only meaningful edits. Null edits are abusive." CreationDate="2016-03-29T23:02:42.867" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="6427" PostId="3806" Score="0" Text="See also [How to deal with obsolete answers?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/11705/how-to-deal-with-obsolete-answers) and [How do we encourage edits to obsolete/out of date answers?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/261817/how-do-we-encourage-edits-to-obsolete-out-of-date-answers) on the main meta." CreationDate="2016-03-29T23:04:38.490" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="6428" PostId="3949" Score="1" Text="We wouldn't be *re*-deleting them. They were never deleted." CreationDate="2016-03-29T23:14:09.663" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="6429" PostId="3948" Score="0" Text="Good points.  I [had an example myself](http://vi.stackexchange.com/q/5290/4676) of a &quot;poked it with a stick and now it's fine&quot; situation that *did* include a somewhat teachable moment.  (On the vi/Vim stack exchange.)  This answer brought it back to mind." CreationDate="2016-03-30T09:03:57.930" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="6430" PostId="3949" Score="1" Text="Well, the conclusion wasn't really conclusive, as such. My answer only has 5 upvotes and one downvote. Doesn't really look like anybody cared. Gilles's now has one (mine). Let's see if anyone gets involved this time." CreationDate="2016-03-30T11:35:03.667" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6432" PostId="3943" Score="1" Text="sometimes when I *know* I've seen the question already, it's actually on a different site in the SE network .. shame there's no native cross-site search (and, possibly, closing-as-duplicate) for SE" CreationDate="2016-03-31T17:13:49.783" UserId="6388" />
  <row Id="6433" PostId="3952" Score="6" Text="It's possible this is a joke I'm not getting, but you realize that &quot;ad&quot; is the [annual April Fools gag](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/unikong)?" CreationDate="2016-03-31T23:29:59.250" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="6434" PostId="3952" Score="0" Text="@MichaelMrozek For me it is not a joke, not at all. I have had the same uneasy feeling for quite some time about third party cookies, and the need that this site have for javascript from ad servers." CreationDate="2016-03-31T23:35:11.543" UserDisplayName="user79743" />
  <row Id="6435" PostId="3952" Score="0" Text="@MichaelMrozek The image is there only to **promote** something, so, it actually is an ad." CreationDate="2016-03-31T23:51:43.160" UserDisplayName="user79743" />
  <row Id="6437" PostId="3952" Score="2" Text="Ads have been around for a long time. That wasn't really an ad, it's a April 1 thing, and not served via SE's usual ad partner, which is probably why it wasn't blocked." CreationDate="2016-04-01T05:46:48.113" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="6438" PostId="3952" Score="4" Text="You might want to rephrase this and remove your mention of ads since what you show is not an ad in any way. It is not promoting anything, it's a link to this year's April fool's gag." CreationDate="2016-04-01T07:44:53.587" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6439" PostId="3952" Score="5" Text="sstatic hosts static parts of SE's sites. imgur hosts images for SE. Probably worth knowing before panic sets in." CreationDate="2016-04-01T08:26:06.727" UserId="27961" />
  <row Id="6440" PostId="3953" Score="10" Text="I presume don't see why not. [I'll let you know for sure in another 44 questions.](http://i.stack.imgur.com/6JKO1.png) (If I don't get Peer Pressure before then, that is.) Or someone might answer conclusively [on the main meta](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/272694/what-does-select-your-next-badge-popup-look-like-when-you-have-got-all-badges)." CreationDate="2016-04-01T15:19:00.507" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="6441" PostId="3954" Score="1" Text="Nice! How do I use this browser? Do I need an additional package, or is it built-in?" CreationDate="2016-04-01T16:02:57.070" UserId="129998" />
  <row Id="6442" PostId="3954" Score="2" Text="@MatthewRock Install the `sx` package. See also [StackApps](http://stackapps.com/questions/3950/sx-stack-exchange-for-emacs)." CreationDate="2016-04-01T16:05:43.220" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="6443" PostId="3954" Score="0" Text="@Gilles You are answering: &quot;Use my browser&quot;. Beside the point that I will take a look into it: That is not an answer to the problem at hand. Why &quot;third party cookies&quot;? The only use for &quot;third party cookies&quot; is to **track** users in **other** sites. Why do I need to be tracked in MyBank.com or Facebook.com ?" CreationDate="2016-04-01T16:54:39.690" UserDisplayName="user79743" />
  <row Id="6444" PostId="3952" Score="0" Text="@JourneymanGeek First party cookies are ok. But third party cookies are needed only to track users thru sites, [read and understand the first paragraph of this answer](http://stackoverflow.com/a/13897928/2350426). Why do I need to be tracked?" CreationDate="2016-04-01T20:41:16.923" UserDisplayName="user79743" />
  <row Id="6445" PostId="3954" Score="0" Text="@Gilles And there is the other problem of Javascript from several sites which is not needed to view questions and answers. Why is a registered user subject to more restrictions than an anonymous user?" CreationDate="2016-04-01T20:43:44.157" UserDisplayName="user79743" />
  <row Id="6446" PostId="3955" Score="2" Text="I love the narrative.  :D  Although in an ideal world, you wouldn't delete a downvoted answer because it was unpopular/shameful, but because (and only *if*) it contained misleading or inaccurate information.  That's highly theoretical, of course." CreationDate="2016-04-01T21:08:55.487" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="6449" PostId="3957" Score="3" Text="Does text corresponding to the image file show up in the answer, or not?" CreationDate="2016-04-01T21:25:18.013" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="6451" PostId="3953" Score="5" Text="Thanks for the links, I always forget to look at the main meta when I happen to have a question. Let us know if you need help getting Peer Pressure ;-)" CreationDate="2016-04-01T21:28:45.353" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="6454" PostId="3957" Score="0" Text="Well, where is it displayed?" CreationDate="2016-04-01T22:15:10.280" UserId="162551" />
  <row Id="6456" PostId="3957" Score="1" Text="It would be displayed in your answer's &quot;source&quot;, after your uploaded the image. But the image might not show up the viewable version. Perhaps you could try uploading the relevant image into your question above?" CreationDate="2016-04-01T23:01:09.607" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="6457" PostId="1162" Score="0" Text="I agree with this; someone on this site pointed me to an article about &quot;'here' links&quot; some months ago and I've been using properly descriptive link text ever since." CreationDate="2016-04-01T23:38:35.020" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="6458" PostId="3960" Score="0" Text="[The SPOT Rule](http://catb.org/~esr/writings/taoup/html/ch04s02.html#spot_rule). I don't know of a better option than RTFS, though." CreationDate="2016-04-02T00:36:28.430" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="6459" PostId="3960" Score="0" Text="I've never worked much with HTML, myself.  I guess it's the &quot;id&quot; attribute, though?  Thanks, that helps!" CreationDate="2016-04-02T00:46:38.360" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="6460" PostId="3957" Score="1" Text="I was tempted to edit this post to include a screenshot of the problem, but decided against it." CreationDate="2016-04-02T00:50:32.820" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="6462" PostId="3960" Score="2" Text="@Wildcard `id` or `name` attributes, iirc." CreationDate="2016-04-02T08:17:03.333" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="6464" PostId="3965" Score="1" Text="Ah, interesting. I was not aware of these exceptions. Should I delete my answer?" CreationDate="2016-04-02T14:10:03.207" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="6465" PostId="3965" Score="0" Text="@FaheemMitha up to you" CreationDate="2016-04-02T14:10:51.483" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6467" PostId="3955" Score="2" Text="@Wildcard In theory there's no difference between theory and practice. In practice, however..." CreationDate="2016-04-02T15:42:09.787" UserId="21109" />
  <row Id="6468" PostId="3964" Score="0" Text="I'm happy to have solved the problem.  My question here on Meta was really to gain an understanding of what are the boundaries of scope for the site.  The problem involved file system corruption but if that was the only problem, it would have been pretty trivial.  It was the concurrent hardware issue that made the problem difficult.  Since that aspect is off-topic, it probably doesn't make sense to try to tweak the question and answer to focus on just the on-topic portion.  Thanks." CreationDate="2016-04-02T17:18:47.473" UserId="85417" />
  <row Id="6470" PostId="3963" Score="0" Text="Thanks. That was the heart of the question. In this case, it wasn't solely hardware, but it was the hardware issue that made the problem non-trivial." CreationDate="2016-04-02T18:07:24.780" UserId="85417" />
  <row Id="6471" PostId="3964" Score="0" Text="After posting the comment, I realized that the Linux issue wasn't trivial, after all.  I went ahead and updated the question and answer.  Not sure if that fixes the hold issue, but if not, at least they will be more on-topic until deletion." CreationDate="2016-04-02T18:11:29.703" UserId="85417" />
  <row Id="6472" PostId="3098" Score="0" Text="has this all finally been fixed by now?" CreationDate="2016-04-02T20:20:55.347" UserId="162370" />
  <row Id="6473" PostId="1331" Score="0" Text="Related: [Why are we not encouraging posting answers as an answer but not via comments?](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/q/3925/135943)" CreationDate="2016-04-03T06:22:46.983" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="6474" PostId="3944" Score="0" Text="Here's [an example of a question](http://unix.stackexchange.com/q/273955/135943) that 100% needed its new title just to be dupe-closed to the unfindable existing title." CreationDate="2016-04-03T06:41:39.953" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="6475" PostId="3944" Score="1" Text="@Wildcard The existing title was because that question was intended as a duplicate for the ever-recurring “I'm using which and it doesn't do what I wanted” — which has the same answers as “how do I check whether a command is available”. A lot of people think they know the answer to that second question, use `which`, and then run into trouble." CreationDate="2016-04-03T11:50:05.457" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="6478" PostId="3961" Score="0" Text="Umm, that's been happening automatically for a few months now." CreationDate="2016-04-04T17:09:19.193" UserId="23408" />
  <row Id="6479" PostId="3968" Score="0" Text="But my user was shown there even when my answer wasn't marked as anwersed." CreationDate="2016-04-04T17:48:43.830" UserId="162551" />
  <row Id="6480" PostId="3968" Score="1" Text="@John yes, it has nothing to do with accepting. You posted an answer, therefore you &quot;answered&quot; the question and that's what the site showed." CreationDate="2016-04-04T17:55:21.303" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6481" PostId="3961" Score="0" Text="@Scott - yeah, I still do it this way so that I can control it + the alignment more explicitly." CreationDate="2016-04-05T17:53:54.917" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="6486" PostId="3971" Score="1" Text="Remove all stack exchange cookies in your browser." CreationDate="2016-04-09T21:58:50.300" UserDisplayName="user79743" />
  <row Id="6487" PostId="3953" Score="0" Text="Suggesting it could make sense if there is already a suitable post to delete. The *Go get it* link points to a search for posts to delete. In my case that search generate no results. I checked because I was wondering whether the *Go get it* link might have linked to a place to create a suitable post to delete, but of course that would have been sending the wrong signals." CreationDate="2016-04-10T10:47:40.920" UserId="68601" />
  <row Id="6488" PostId="3972" Score="0" Text="Ask for the question to be migrated to a different SE. Don't create a new question there." CreationDate="2016-04-10T19:48:19.117" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="6489" PostId="3972" Score="1" Text="Is deleting then reposting acceptable practice would you say? I don't want to bother the moderators and make them do things for me if I can do them myself." CreationDate="2016-04-10T19:50:21.073" UserId="138973" />
  <row Id="6490" PostId="3972" Score="1" Text="Yes, it's probably acceptable practice, but any comments or upvotes the original question obtained will be lost. And I wouldn't worry too much about bothering the mods. It's part of what they are here for." CreationDate="2016-04-10T19:57:14.853" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="6491" PostId="3972" Score="0" Text="I'll wait and see what happens. No-one seems to have any ideas yet." CreationDate="2016-04-10T20:10:08.563" UserId="138973" />
  <row Id="6492" PostId="3972" Score="0" Text="Note, asking about something like this in chat is a reasonable alternative to posting a Meta question. It's a fairly common situation." CreationDate="2016-04-10T20:58:26.920" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="6495" PostId="3972" Score="0" Text="Meta meta: http://meta.superuser.com/q/11418/513541" CreationDate="2016-04-11T01:07:20.053" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="6498" PostId="3978" Score="2" Text="What is your exact &quot;historical question&quot;? What people did before SE? Ask questions on mailing lists and Usenet. And there were web forums before SE, but I don' t know many people used them. I didn't. But in any case, such a question would probably get closed on U&amp;L SE, yes, since it isn't about Unix. See the site scope." CreationDate="2016-04-13T20:34:45.233" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="6499" PostId="3978" Score="6" Text="Actually I had more time to accomplish stuff before Stack Exchange." CreationDate="2016-04-13T21:19:39.340" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="6502" PostId="3982" Score="0" Text="I've got some catching up to do, and so do you :)" CreationDate="2016-04-16T21:30:33.853" UserId="26026" />
  <row Id="6503" PostId="3098" Score="0" Text="I have same problem. My site doesn't establishe a https connection with stackexchange. Do you have any solution?" CreationDate="2016-04-17T16:07:41.730" UserId="21911" />
  <row Id="6504" PostId="3984" Score="2" Text="I wonder if I could have downvoted the post to &quot;0&quot; and then would have gotten my normal &quot;delete&quot; behavior, I'll try that when it happens." CreationDate="2016-04-17T16:13:01.543" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="6506" PostId="3098" Score="0" Text="&gt; As per Nick Craver's blog post about getting Stack Exchange onto SSL, it is currently impossible for them to get SSL working on the meta sites, because wildcard certs of the form 'meta.*.stackexchange.com' won't work." CreationDate="2016-04-17T16:31:05.037" UserId="21911" />
  <row Id="6517" PostId="3988" Score="0" Text="Interesting info, thanks." CreationDate="2016-04-19T07:19:00.380" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="6520" PostId="3989" Score="20" Text="For some people, *every* web form is just another version of Failbook. You just sloppily type in you ill-considered musings, throw in some emo{ji,ticons} or txtspeek for colour and wait for the spoon^H^H^H answer to appear." CreationDate="2016-04-20T00:29:25.020" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="6521" PostId="3991" Score="0" Text="I very clearly remember the days of earning +2 rep for editing questions from the 500-rep &quot;first posts&quot; queue -- that's a useful incentive. This isn't very well thought out on my part, but would an initial downvote be useful in any way? I'm wondering if there'd be an easy way to get them into the low-quality-post queue? I see [here](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/161390/what-are-the-review-queues-and-how-do-they-work) reference to flags doing it, but I don't see an appropriate choice when flagging Q's." CreationDate="2016-04-20T01:41:06.913" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="6522" PostId="3991" Score="1" Text="@JeffSchaller The low quality queue is only for answers. You can flag a question as VLQ if it meets certain requirements (IIRC: no pending close vote, and not already flagged), but that sends the question into the close queue. A VLQ flag on a question acts as an extra downvote if the question does get closed." CreationDate="2016-04-20T01:45:43.687" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="6523" PostId="3991" Score="1" Text="Ahh, I see it now, though it's pretty strongly worded: &quot;This question is unlikely to be salvageable through editing, and might need to be removed.&quot; Maybe I should lobby for a &quot;poor grammar&quot; queue..." CreationDate="2016-04-20T01:48:00.887" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="6524" PostId="3991" Score="6" Text="@JeffSchaller This exists on SO: the triage queue (search [meta.so])." CreationDate="2016-04-20T01:48:55.737" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="6526" PostId="3989" Score="1" Text="Seconding the SEET, I use that as well. Makes editing a breeze with cruft when needed." CreationDate="2016-04-20T03:44:00.540" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="6527" PostId="3989" Score="15" Text="IT COULD BE WORSE. THEIR CAPS LOCK KEYS COULD BE STUCK ON. OH, AND DID YOU KNOW THAT *SEPTEMBER* HAS TECHNICALLY FINALLY ENDED... OVER 11 YEARS AGO? ALSO, THAT FOR SOME REASON PHONES HAVE A CAPS LOCK &quot;KEY&quot;?" CreationDate="2016-04-20T10:11:53.787" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="6529" PostId="3989" Score="2" Text="Ahhhh Eternal September. Guess this Q is close in both time and content to BZ's &quot;close all&quot; Q." CreationDate="2016-04-20T10:19:06.573" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="6530" PostId="3989" Score="0" Text="@derobert you just broke the rule #835030, shame on you!" CreationDate="2016-04-20T13:44:13.893" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="6531" PostId="3989" Score="14" Text="You edit must be at least six characters. Is there some other way this post can be improved? -&gt; Yes / Cancel. I'm missing the &quot;No, thanks&quot;." CreationDate="2016-04-20T20:19:31.130" UserId="148299" />
  <row Id="6535" PostId="3992" Score="4" Text="I use correct grammar and punctuation in anything I write, even text messages.  Always have.  If I omit such trappings, I'm either in *severely* time-limiting position such as answering an urgent text during an important but disrelated meeting, or else I've deliberately omitted punctuation (etc.) for a specific effect.  Either way, it's a conscious decision." CreationDate="2016-04-21T08:09:38.763" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="6536" PostId="3995" Score="0" Text="I could have sworn I had tried that as the first thing myself without getting the desired result %-).  You actually only have to escape one of the two to get the same effect." CreationDate="2016-04-21T08:46:28.393" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="6537" PostId="3992" Score="1" Text="So do I, now. What I'm saying is that it hasn't been always like this (for me), and I had to be chastised about it before writing well on the Internet." CreationDate="2016-04-21T09:24:57.107" UserId="77547" />
  <row Id="6539" PostId="3989" Score="4" Text="all-lowercase is a perfectly valid and commonly-used geek sub-dialect of the english language.  it's especially popular dialect in the unix and linux communities.  i'm far more annoyed by bad grammar, poor spelling, and especially the inability to think methodically and logically when writing a question or answer (although i'm far more tolerant of bad spelling/grammar if it's obvious that english is not the poster's native language)" CreationDate="2016-04-22T00:49:08.700" UserId="7696" />
  <row Id="6540" PostId="3989" Score="0" Text="I tend to write my posts in all-lowercase (except for acronyms etc) and then go back and capitalise things ('I', first letters of sentences, &quot;proper nouns&quot; etc) according to the conventional written english dialect before I hit the POST button.  Sometimes i miss some things and leave them as lowercase.  I don't capitalise things because I believe it is more correct (it isn't, any more than the German habit of capitalising far more nouns than English does) but because if you're trying to communicate with others, it helps to adapt how you're saying it to common expectations." CreationDate="2016-04-22T00:57:08.050" UserId="7696" />
  <row Id="6541" PostId="3602" Score="4" Text="An alternative would be to tell them to ask their questions on Reddit, or somewhere not SE-related." CreationDate="2016-04-22T08:32:06.527" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="6542" PostId="3993" Score="0" Text="no i think it's just laziness" CreationDate="2016-04-22T18:03:14.477" UserId="38485" />
  <row Id="6543" PostId="3883" Score="0" Text="Long live the inverse [mouflon](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouflon#/media/File:Mouflon_in_zoo.jpg)!" CreationDate="2016-04-22T23:49:01.600" UserId="25985" />
  <row Id="6544" PostId="3997" Score="0" Text="I don't see how the question was ever about anything other than ligatures and terminals that support them, I'd highly urge the admins that voted to close it to be more open to reforming questions rather than closing them." CreationDate="2016-04-23T01:41:05.157" UserId="3285" />
  <row Id="6545" PostId="3997" Score="0" Text="@EvanCarroll Your first version was closeworthy. Also, admins didn't close it: it takes five votes from users with mid-level reputation to do it." CreationDate="2016-04-23T01:57:21.927" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="6546" PostId="3993" Score="7" Text="@shelvacu Well, that's ironic." CreationDate="2016-04-23T13:44:57.440" UserId="136107" />
  <row Id="6547" PostId="3989" Score="0" Text="@Law29 If there is really nothing else to improve, then consider whether the edits is really needed. If it is just a single word that wasn't capitalized, and it doesn't confuse the meaning. Then don't bother editing. If a small change is needed because of a typo making the entire post unclear (which could be the case when forgetting a word like &quot;not&quot;). Then you could consider writing an html comment explaining why you think your specific edit needs to be exempt from the 6 character requirement. I don't know whether such an edit would be approved though. That's a subject for a separate meta q." CreationDate="2016-04-23T15:35:29.000" UserId="68601" />
  <row Id="6548" PostId="4000" Score="0" Text="Thanks. I can still access some recently deleted posts of mine. Will deleted posts be permanently removed and therefore never be accessible?" CreationDate="2016-04-23T21:18:49.600" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="6550" PostId="3998" Score="3" Text="I've had several microsoft keyboards over the last 15 years and had NONE of those problems" CreationDate="2016-04-24T12:36:57.023" UserId="10043" />
  <row Id="6551" PostId="3978" Score="1" Text="To the inverse of what you are experiencing, it is unfortunately much busier on the Gentoo forums than it is on the [tag:gentoo] tag." CreationDate="2016-04-24T18:10:33.017" UserId="141848" />
  <row Id="6552" PostId="4000" Score="0" Text="In addition, users with 10k rep or more can see all deleted questions and answers, as documented in the linked privilege pages." CreationDate="2016-04-24T18:28:32.713" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="6553" PostId="3998" Score="0" Text="@michael-durrant Funny you should mention Microsoft keyboards. I'm typing on one right now. Most of the keys have gone spongy, and the left hand modifiers have all become unreliable. Sometimes when I press the key it works, but frequently it doesn't. Garbage." CreationDate="2016-04-24T19:00:36.253" UserId="94174" />
  <row Id="6558" PostId="4001" Score="0" Text="I'm not sure: one might be interested in other OSs running on Macs and OSX running on non-Apple hardware." CreationDate="2016-04-25T01:58:54.633" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="6560" PostId="4001" Score="0" Text="@muru there is the hacintosh (not a typo) tag which is for Mac osx operating systems on non-macs and both the Macintosh and the osx tag are for Apple Macs with Mac operating systems." CreationDate="2016-04-25T02:52:50.093" UserId="162551" />
  <row Id="6561" PostId="4001" Score="0" Text="I know what Hackintosh is. Have you read [tag:macintosh]'s info? It's for Macs whether or not you're running OSX." CreationDate="2016-04-25T02:57:01.717" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="6562" PostId="4001" Score="0" Text="@muru if it's the hardware that they're asking about, then it belongs on super user SE, and almost all of the Macintosh tagged questions are ones that should be tagged osx" CreationDate="2016-04-25T03:02:41.983" UserId="162551" />
  <row Id="6563" PostId="4001" Score="0" Text="Whatever for would I ask on [su] if I'm interested in running Linux on a Mac?" CreationDate="2016-04-25T03:03:17.200" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="6565" PostId="4001" Score="0" Text="Do you know that the EFI implementation on Macs was broken for years, and that's why Ubuntu had images tagged `mac` because of that?" CreationDate="2016-04-25T03:05:53.760" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="6566" PostId="4001" Score="0" Text="@muru if it's Linux on a Mac, why would it matter if it's a Mac? It would only matter if it's hardware related, which means it belongs on super user. And actually, the main reason I want them to be synonyms is not that they are synonyms, but that the Macintosh tag is so commonly used when osx is what should be used" CreationDate="2016-04-25T03:11:07.993" UserId="162551" />
  <row Id="6567" PostId="3993" Score="3" Text="@shelvacu Not necessarily, funnily enough I learned that &quot;I&quot; was supposed to be spelled with capital letters from this website." CreationDate="2016-04-25T12:28:52.447" UserId="79979" />
  <row Id="6568" PostId="3998" Score="3" Text="I wonder how hard you are pounding the keys?  Excessive force is the only way by which I've ever seen keyboards exhibit the behavior you describe.  Alternatively, have you considered starting a business making what you would consider a non-garbage keyboard?  Every problem is an opportunity.  ;)" CreationDate="2016-04-25T23:39:40.243" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="6569" PostId="4001" Score="1" Text="@John, where did you get the idea that hardware related questions are automatically off-topic on this site?  I don't believe that's the case at all." CreationDate="2016-04-25T23:41:39.240" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="6570" PostId="3992" Score="4" Text="My observation From viewing Some low-Quality asian questions is That the capitalization can be Completely erratic. Generally, outside of Greek-descended alphabets (Latin, Cyrillic, etc) writing systems do not often have case (or traditionally even punctuation) so it's possible that they are just desperately guessing when to capitalize. When posting on an English-language site, not being familiar with basic English spelling conventions would seem to be a predictor for poor success anyhow." CreationDate="2016-04-26T10:32:00.437" UserId="19240" />
  <row Id="6571" PostId="3989" Score="3" Text="Not caring about language conventions seems to be one of the popular answer themes here, but if you want to communicate, you have to." CreationDate="2016-04-26T10:32:30.347" UserId="19240" />
  <row Id="6572" PostId="3993" Score="3" Text="@DisplayName See, your first language isn't even English and you have better grammar than many native English speakers." CreationDate="2016-04-26T14:23:27.740" UserId="136107" />
  <row Id="6573" PostId="3954" Score="0" Text="@BinaryZebra Did you catch that this answer was posted April 1? It's kinda tongue in cheek. Do you use Emacs?" CreationDate="2016-04-26T14:30:51.927" UserId="136107" />
  <row Id="6574" PostId="3954" Score="0" Text="@cat I have tried to use emacs several times, but the lack of experience blocks me from learning it. I'll keep trying. :-P" CreationDate="2016-04-26T16:02:01.587" UserDisplayName="user79743" />
  <row Id="6575" PostId="2720" Score="1" Text="I would upvote this for the &quot;compliments&quot; section alone.  :D" CreationDate="2016-04-27T03:38:19.333" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="6576" PostId="4001" Score="0" Text="I really should dig up a copy of A/UX so I can ask a [tag:macintosh] question that is indisputably not [tag:osx]." CreationDate="2016-04-27T21:31:20.333" UserId="62988" />
  <row Id="6577" PostId="869" Score="0" Text="The [Software Recommendation](https://softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/) site also exists now." CreationDate="2016-04-28T08:13:47.473" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="6578" PostId="3978" Score="1" Text="You might want to learn how to use **GNU Info** based documentation (The default `info` command might be somewhat hard to use, but there are alternative programs like `pinfo`, `tkinfo`, `info2www` &amp; `yelp`)." CreationDate="2016-04-28T20:27:47.117" UserId="1002" />
  <row Id="6579" PostId="3993" Score="2" Text="Re &quot;spaces ... having some before punctuation&quot;: Sometimes [it is not their own fault](http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/4645/is-it-ever-correct-to-have-a-space-before-a-question-or-exclamation-mark#comment206109_4645)." CreationDate="2016-04-28T22:48:00.440" UserId="8284" />
  <row Id="6580" PostId="3998" Score="1" Text="How you tried one with [Cherry MX Red, Cherry MX Brown, or Cherry MX Blue](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZF_Electronics#Cherry_switches_in_consumer_keyboards_.28circa_2016.29) (like [Corsair K95](http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Gaming-Mechanical-Keyboard-CH-9000082-NA/product-reviews/B00N4OBCWY))?" CreationDate="2016-04-28T23:02:48.813" UserId="8284" />
  <row Id="6581" PostId="4006" Score="6" Text="Agree they are usefull: anything that distinguishes between genuine content and the random punctuation or walls of text that often appears in posts makes them *much* more readable..." CreationDate="2016-04-29T21:48:35.897" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="6582" PostId="4008" Score="0" Text="Thanks. I don't personally attack others. All I can see is that it is not mature." CreationDate="2016-04-30T00:17:04.410" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="6583" PostId="4008" Score="2" Text="@Tim comments like these can already cause this behavior, you may not even realize what upsets some people. I've never seen a case like this going for more than some days though." CreationDate="2016-04-30T00:47:09.107" UserId="140422" />
  <row Id="6584" PostId="4006" Score="7" Text="Every little bit helps, but if I can borrow the soapbox for a moment, if (general) &quot;you&quot; are going to edit a post for the +2 rep, please do more than just add formatting or capitalization, if there are other improvements to make!" CreationDate="2016-04-30T00:48:59.717" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="6585" PostId="4008" Score="0" Text="I don't comment on others personally, except that they did things consistently disturbing." CreationDate="2016-04-30T00:49:14.780" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="6586" PostId="4007" Score="3" Text="See [What is serial voting and how does it affect me](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/126829/what-is-serial-voting-and-how-does-it-affect-me)." CreationDate="2016-04-30T01:15:40.690" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="6587" PostId="4005" Score="3" Text="Not necessarily the case here, but just for general information: [related discussion on useless backticking edits](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/209305/user-making-inappropriate-edits-with-backticks). There are some good examples linked there of what BAD use of backticks looks like." CreationDate="2016-04-30T05:52:12.407" UserId="106159" />
  <row Id="6588" PostId="4005" Score="0" Text="@SeldomNeedy thanks that was the sort of thing I was asking about... would you please turn that into an answer so meta users can vote between it and the existing answer?" CreationDate="2016-04-30T06:35:35.610" UserDisplayName="user4443" />
  <row Id="6589" PostId="4005" Score="0" Text="To make understanding this question easier, here's a [link to the original question](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/200215/)." CreationDate="2016-04-30T07:47:00.930" UserId="106159" />
  <row Id="6591" PostId="4011" Score="0" Text="I pushed you over 10 points excluding the bonus, can you try if you can answer now?" CreationDate="2016-04-30T15:00:12.307" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="6592" PostId="3087" Score="0" Text="What if the posts aren't bad, but they are deleted because you pissed people off for valid reasons? IMO the good way to get the badge is basically to Jesus {minor key symbol which should exist but doesn't appear to be available on this forum in comments...}. So, Jesus minor..." CreationDate="2016-05-01T08:24:22.103" UserId="138973" />
  <row Id="6593" PostId="4014" Score="0" Text="The tab only yields: 5h&#xA;awarded	 Peer Pressure&#xA;12h&#xA;awarded	 Explainer :/" CreationDate="2016-05-01T08:44:35.497" UserId="138973" />
  <row Id="6594" PostId="4014" Score="0" Text="You should also be able to see it in reputation change. You don't have too much posts :)" CreationDate="2016-05-01T08:48:02.250" UserId="121504" />
  <row Id="6595" PostId="4014" Score="0" Text="I can see an overall positive rep change, and that's nice but I wanted to find the post itself, not that my rep got better overall." CreationDate="2016-05-01T08:49:55.340" UserId="138973" />
  <row Id="6596" PostId="4014" Score="0" Text="If you select &quot;post&quot; view, you will see the reputation breakdown by post." CreationDate="2016-05-01T08:50:59.047" UserId="121504" />
  <row Id="6597" PostId="4014" Score="0" Text="As I said, it's not the rep I'm interested in. I want to find the post. I want knowledge of the post, not knowledge of my rep which I know already." CreationDate="2016-05-01T08:53:09.403" UserId="138973" />
  <row Id="6598" PostId="4014" Score="0" Text="Deleting negative reputation post, results in positive reputation. It is how it works. These things are related. It would be certainly nice to see it directly next to the badge, but it is not the case as you already noticed." CreationDate="2016-05-01T08:56:16.417" UserId="121504" />
  <row Id="6599" PostId="4014" Score="0" Text="Flagged your answer as not an answer." CreationDate="2016-05-01T08:56:51.643" UserId="138973" />
  <row Id="6600" PostId="4014" Score="0" Text="Thank you for appreciation the attempt to help." CreationDate="2016-05-01T08:58:17.443" UserId="121504" />
  <row Id="6601" PostId="4014" Score="0" Text="You didn't attempt to help. I did everything you said and nothing worked. It's just like what you did when I was attempting to install Fedora. You pretended to help but nothing ever got fixed and you offer no real answers. You knew it wouldn't work." CreationDate="2016-05-01T09:00:16.257" UserId="138973" />
  <row Id="6602" PostId="4015" Score="0" Text="I get it awarded on many different forums. I Meta Stack Exchange and get followed from there. Is it 'might be' a bug or not? Was this by design or accident?" CreationDate="2016-05-01T09:05:39.147" UserId="138973" />
  <row Id="6603" PostId="4015" Score="0" Text="When a question is deleted automatically, the answers are marked as being deleted by the poster. This is a know bug(?), there's been a post on [meta.se] which I'm too lazy too look up." CreationDate="2016-05-01T10:57:55.463" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="6604" PostId="4015" Score="0" Text="@muru True, although I don't think that matters here, since it was a question deletion that awarded the badge. The question shows up as deleted by Community, but somehow the badge was awarded anyway" CreationDate="2016-05-01T15:46:51.963" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="6605" PostId="4016" Score="3" Text="Is it good information? Does the edit make the answer clearly better?" CreationDate="2016-05-01T19:07:04.647" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6606" PostId="4016" Score="1" Text="I've occasionally wondered the same thing. Interested to hear the community's thoughts." CreationDate="2016-05-01T23:30:36.083" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="6607" PostId="4007" Score="1" Text="I closed this merely because you're asking how normal something is which isn't really an answerable thing. Maybe ask it like this: &quot;Are others seeing a systematic downvote of their posts&quot;?" CreationDate="2016-05-02T00:45:27.447" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="6608" PostId="4007" Score="2" Text="I appreciate your inquisitive nature but the ratio of questions to answers, I think, is something that &quot;some&quot; may construe as lack of effort on your part, or that you're merely trying to get rep by asking questions which are obvious. I'm not judging, only stating what I'm observing." CreationDate="2016-05-02T00:49:20.307" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="6609" PostId="4009" Score="0" Text="I fix the formatting of posts which have used quote formatting for code or code formatting for quotes.  I wouldn't bother fixing it in your post above because a) it's only 1 line, and b) (more importantly) it doesn't have a horizontal scroll bar." CreationDate="2016-05-02T05:49:50.343" UserId="7696" />
  <row Id="6610" PostId="4017" Score="2" Text="I'm not sure if that's SO policy either. I think (and hope) it's just the opinion of the users who happened to read and vote on your meta post there. If it is policy, it's absurd and is certainly not policy here." CreationDate="2016-05-02T11:39:21.407" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6612" PostId="3989" Score="2" Text="@jasonwryan: No need to bash emoticons. The “Spock ideal” of us all being emotionally dead psychopaths, is thankfully long gone. Text is horribly lacking as a communicative medium, and should be forbidden for any two-way communication beyond short chats. Because it always ends in crass misunderstandings and then tears. At least emoticons improve the situation a little bit. … But hey, people love to be snobs, parrot memes, and feel in on it, to raise their egos, even if they haven’t ever thought about why they agree." CreationDate="2016-05-03T17:30:20.233" UserDisplayName="anon" />
  <row Id="6613" PostId="3989" Score="0" Text="Saying what nobody dares: As a non-native English but German speaker, who basically learned Engish on the net… **what exactly are the errors in these examples?** Because I checked my knowledge against Wikipedia’s page on capitaliztion, and it agrees with me. Also, none of the examples even uses “I”. (Also, English used to use the same rules as German, but then stopped capitalizing all nouns. Which I think is a loss of functionality.)" CreationDate="2016-05-03T17:47:15.187" UserDisplayName="anon" />
  <row Id="6614" PostId="3992" Score="1" Text="An a German: We’d write it as  “I ate some Fish at my Parents' House”. (Actually, if I only literally translated the words and left everything else the same, It’d be “I have at my Parents Fish eaten.” or “I have Fish eaten at my Parents.”. Specifying that I ate “some” fish and that is was at their “house” would be weird and sound archaic. And even though technically you could say “Ich aß Fisch“, which is the literal translation of “I ate fish”, using it in this context would seem forced and archaic as well. We’d just use “Ich habe Fisch gegessen“ instead.)" CreationDate="2016-05-03T17:57:47.160" UserDisplayName="anon" />
  <row Id="6615" PostId="3989" Score="1" Text="@Evi1M4chine - the quotes that I list from the tour page are not examples that I'm referring to. The quotes seemed to me to be motivation to take care and pride in having a high level of quality on the site." CreationDate="2016-05-03T17:58:45.890" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="6618" PostId="3989" Score="2" Text="@Evi1M4chine Centuries of literature in all languages have shown that it is perfectly adequate for conveying an incredible dpeth and range of emotion. To suggest that it can only be done with emoticons is either naieve, ignorant or both." CreationDate="2016-05-03T18:13:11.233" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="6620" PostId="4007" Score="0" Text="@slm: I appreciate your thought about others' construes.  I can imagine somehow how those people's minds behave in those ways. To me, I don't think I am qualified enough to educate others and judge if they are right or wrong, and it is better for me not to mislead others." CreationDate="2016-05-04T01:27:33.360" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="6621" PostId="4018" Score="0" Text="The SO version seems to have an accepted answer; is it not solved?" CreationDate="2016-05-04T17:30:17.357" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="6622" PostId="4018" Score="0" Text="I found the answer (missing freetype lib support) and for the sake of completeness, I'd like to post it here under &quot;Your Answer&quot; as suggested by @Anthon. However, I can't do that till it's removed from on-hold." CreationDate="2016-05-04T17:52:39.443" UserId="111534" />
  <row Id="6623" PostId="4020" Score="0" Text="I could delete the SO answer but I don't want to do that since Thomas provided a detailed response that helps answer a lot of the question." CreationDate="2016-05-04T18:28:04.330" UserId="111534" />
  <row Id="6626" PostId="4018" Score="0" Text="Question can be put on hold **only** for being asked by the same person on multiple Stack Exchange sites, but, for some reason, when that happens, it it just says that it was closed for being off-topic." CreationDate="2016-05-05T20:43:53.460" UserId="162551" />
  <row Id="6628" PostId="1218" Score="0" Text="@Shog9, I would imagine that *new* requests can be tagged &quot;status-deferred&quot; instead of &quot;status-declined,&quot; though—is that right?" CreationDate="2016-05-06T02:53:49.513" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="6630" PostId="4025" Score="0" Text="Could you clarify what you mean? Perhaps add an example? Do you mean that you put the phrases you removed into the edit summary? And what exactly are you asking about?" CreationDate="2016-05-06T12:59:44.863" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6631" PostId="4025" Score="0" Text="@terdon Exactly , i past the removed phrases (wrong phrase) to the &quot;edit summary&quot;" CreationDate="2016-05-06T13:03:39.950" UserId="153195" />
  <row Id="6632" PostId="4025" Score="1" Text="OK, and you are asking if that is a good idea? Is that what you mean by &quot;the best way to edit&quot;? Or are you asking something more general about editing? Is your question only &quot;what should I put in the edit summary&quot;?" CreationDate="2016-05-06T13:05:49.540" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6633" PostId="4025" Score="1" Text="By the way, I just made a substantial edit to your question to make it clearer. Please check that I didn't change what you wanted to ask." CreationDate="2016-05-06T13:10:10.200" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6634" PostId="4027" Score="0" Text="Mine actually did answer the question in the body, just not the title which was asking about one particular way to solve the problem in the question body" CreationDate="2016-05-06T15:11:25.630" UserId="44992" />
  <row Id="6635" PostId="4027" Score="1" Text="@MarkKCowan From what I can tell it wouldn't actually solve the problem the asker was having, since the keyboard wasn't sharing bandwidth with other USB devices on a hub. Your answer is useful for the situation you were in, so I think the best solution is probably to [post your own question](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/ask?title=Why+do+my+keyboard+and+mouse+stop+working+when+my+backups+are+running%3F) for that situation and self-answer it" CreationDate="2016-05-06T15:18:36.723" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="6638" PostId="4028" Score="0" Text="I didn't look as far as you did, but it seemed like some of the fonts changed in the footer as well." CreationDate="2016-05-07T03:45:35.630" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="6639" PostId="4028" Score="1" Text="@JeffSchaller Yes, the &quot;Would you like to have responses to your questions emailed?&quot; is now a large monofont, but that has no real impact on accessability..." CreationDate="2016-05-07T04:22:08.477" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="6640" PostId="4028" Score="0" Text="The fonts on post notices also seem to involve monospace fonts in an ugly way. I thought that was just me being on Windows." CreationDate="2016-05-07T06:13:07.963" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="6641" PostId="4028" Score="0" Text="@muru something changed around ~36 hours ago. I assumed they were just experimenting." CreationDate="2016-05-07T06:31:29.857" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="6643" PostId="4035" Score="1" Text="Are you asking about tags or about the body of your answers?" CreationDate="2016-05-09T06:33:30.093" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6644" PostId="4035" Score="0" Text="My main reason for using &quot;wifi&quot; is that &quot;WLAN&quot; is too easy to mix up with &quot;VLAN&quot;. But you may do as you wish." CreationDate="2016-05-09T09:42:49.487" UserId="21109" />
  <row Id="6646" PostId="3997" Score="0" Text="@EvanCarroll I don't appear to have voted on your question but I'm pretty sure I'd have gone with &quot;unclear&quot;. I still don't understand what it is that you were asking there, and I'm perplexed as to the relevance of a GIF with animated text appearing in red and black. For example, why should it be useful for a terminal font to &quot;render `==` as a single character&quot;?" CreationDate="2016-05-09T12:06:45.290" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="6648" PostId="4039" Score="0" Text="I'd completely forgotten about the Data Explorer. Thank you for the useful reminder" CreationDate="2016-05-09T14:36:19.343" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="6649" PostId="3997" Score="0" Text="@roaima you don't have to agree with what I want to understand fully what I want -- which is clear in your question. This isn't about you criticizing my preference, it's about my question." CreationDate="2016-05-09T18:33:36.843" UserId="3285" />
  <row Id="6650" PostId="3997" Score="1" Text="In math, we don't draw `=` + ` ` + `=`. I'd like that to reflect in my rendering in the terminal. It was important enough for unicode to adopt it, and fonts to implement it then it should be a valid question here. The gif is relevant because it shows the terminal taking two discrete unicode inputs and rendering that as a ligature. Otherwise you wouldn't know if `==` was a ligature, potentially two characters, or one complex [unicode Relational Equality grapheme ⩵](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relational_operator#Equality) Showing it as you're typing illustrates that." CreationDate="2016-05-09T18:34:34.880" UserId="3285" />
  <row Id="6651" PostId="3997" Score="0" Text="@EvanCarroll if I don't understand enough of what the question is asking I can't work out whether it's in my domain or not. From this conversation here it's clear that it's not in my area of expertise so I would skip the question entirely, but in the original question it is not clear (to me) at all what it's asking." CreationDate="2016-05-09T18:57:23.167" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="6653" PostId="3997" Score="2" Text="You nailed it. Press '=' on your keyboard. Press it again. I want that to render a complex font-mapped ligature that looks discrete from two `=` back to back. Now press Backspace. I want that complex ligature to go away and one `=` to be remaining. Press it again. I want it to come back. That's how ligature rendering is supposed to work for [all these ligatures](https://raw.githubusercontent.com/tonsky/FiraCode/master/showcases/all_ligatures.png). I want to know what terminals and open source fonts support that." CreationDate="2016-05-09T19:38:40.847" UserId="3285" />
  <row Id="6654" PostId="4035" Score="0" Text="@terdon body of answers. It seems the tags /wlan and /wifi are synonyms." CreationDate="2016-05-09T23:00:00.393" UserId="1290" />
  <row Id="6655" PostId="3997" Score="1" Text="@EvanCarroll beautifully described. Thank you." CreationDate="2016-05-09T23:05:53.167" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="6656" PostId="4036" Score="0" Text="OK, I'll try to force myself using &quot;WiFi&quot;, then... Also, &quot;SQL&quot; is &quot;ess-que-ell&quot; and not &quot;sequel&quot; in my book." CreationDate="2016-05-10T00:48:39.040" UserId="1290" />
  <row Id="6657" PostId="4029" Score="0" Text="Cross-site duplicate of [How do I log out of this site?](http://meta.superuser.com/q/10911/150988)" CreationDate="2016-05-10T20:58:21.013" UserId="23408" />
  <row Id="6658" PostId="4024" Score="1" Text="If the question title doesn't match the question body, you should comment on that fact, and flag (or VTC) as &quot;unclear what you're asking&quot;." CreationDate="2016-05-10T21:02:48.640" UserId="23408" />
  <row Id="6659" PostId="1064" Score="1" Text="Possible duplicate of [Should we get rid of the &quot;cross-posted&quot; close reason?](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/3422/should-we-get-rid-of-the-cross-posted-close-reason)" CreationDate="2016-05-10T21:19:49.357" UserId="23408" />
  <row Id="6660" PostId="1064" Score="0" Text="@Scott how can my post be a duplicate of a question asked 1.5 years later about a feature that may exist because of this question?" CreationDate="2016-05-10T21:26:23.893" UserId="13796" />
  <row Id="6661" PostId="1064" Score="0" Text="Surely you know that chronological order is not a determiner for which question gets closed.  The two questions cover the exact same subject, and your question is obsoleted by this feature (that may exist because of this question), so this is the one that (IMHO) should be closed." CreationDate="2016-05-10T21:32:42.287" UserId="23408" />
  <row Id="6662" PostId="4040" Score="1" Text="Please [edit] your question and i) fix the link so that it points to the U&amp;L tag and not the SO tag; and ii) explain why you think such a tag is needed." CreationDate="2016-05-11T16:38:03.593" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6663" PostId="4040" Score="0" Text="@terdon The tag is needed because the concept exists in so many different pieces of software.  People could figure out if a piece of software supports such a functionality just by looking at the tag on a relevant question.  Or by filtering question on both the name of the software and the tag I'm proposing." CreationDate="2016-05-11T16:40:10.000" UserId="3570" />
  <row Id="6664" PostId="4040" Score="3" Text="Personally, I really don't see any point to this tag but that's just my opinion. However, please *edit* your question to explain why you think it would be useful, that way others can understand your reasoning." CreationDate="2016-05-11T16:44:08.303" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6665" PostId="4040" Score="3" Text="I have to concur with @terdon, I don't really see the point to adding such a tag either." CreationDate="2016-05-11T16:48:56.523" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="6666" PostId="1064" Score="0" Text="@jordanm Treat &quot;duplicate&quot; to mean &quot;there is an answer to this question over there&quot;. That seems to be more or less how we use it. Though I don't think it's a duplicate under that definition.." CreationDate="2016-05-11T20:59:25.947" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="6667" PostId="4040" Score="0" Text="I think that people would look for a particular piece of software based on its primary function (printing, web pages, etc) not based on how it configures itself. Also, while unix.sx is a trove of UNIX knowledge, I'd hesitate to consider it authoritative on how every possible piece of software is configured." CreationDate="2016-05-11T22:05:46.560" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="6669" PostId="2836" Score="0" Text="Based on the answers below, I've gone through and re-tagged all of the [httpd]-tagged questions with either [apache-httpd] or, if generically-appropriate, [webserver]. Should we enforce the separation by blacklisting [httpd]?" CreationDate="2016-05-16T01:59:15.410" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="6670" PostId="2852" Score="0" Text="+1; I tried to suggest an &quot;apche-ant&quot; synonym for &quot;ant&quot; but I didn't have enough rep (0) in the [ant] tag to do so." CreationDate="2016-05-16T02:03:26.510" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="6671" PostId="73" Score="0" Text="It depends; [my history question](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/283219/why-didnt-gnome-3-display-desktop-icons-by-default) was put on hold. I stated in a flag that it is a history question, but still got a simple reply &quot;off-topic&quot;." CreationDate="2016-05-16T15:54:18.397" UserId="118138" />
  <row Id="6675" PostId="4026" Score="0" Text="+1, and just to put a finer point on it, the edited (added &amp; removed) text is visible on the edit history -- no need to repeat the changed text -- so the 'why' really is more valuable long-term." CreationDate="2016-05-27T00:10:37.700" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="6676" PostId="4048" Score="0" Text="ok, done. I think I did it right, if not, please send me a clue. oh and by the way, YES, I totally steak your idea of a title, and nope, it isn't just a exact retype, it's a vile, plagiarist, copy-paste. hehe!" CreationDate="2016-06-02T00:41:41.643" UserId="172514" />
  <row Id="6677" PostId="459" Score="5" Text="Why was this [tweeted today](https://twitter.com/StackUnix/status/739281270941847552)? Why does it show as a featured on the main site when it is 5 years old? Should not the [tag:featured] tag be removed?" CreationDate="2016-06-05T07:23:08.263" UserId="121504" />
  <row Id="6678" PostId="4051" Score="0" Text="Thank you.  Yes I should have mentioned I know the main list of sites but I was unaware of the StackOverflow forks." CreationDate="2016-06-05T17:50:45.827" UserId="172805" />
  <row Id="6679" PostId="4051" Score="0" Text="I am curious to know what this moderator thinks (if he is so inclined) because of his extended background in both fields.  Is there a respectful way to bring it to his attention?  http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/users/885/gilles?tab=profile" CreationDate="2016-06-05T18:03:01.910" UserId="172805" />
  <row Id="6680" PostId="4051" Score="0" Text="@BloodyEl That's a good thought. He's in [/dev/chat](http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/26/dev-chat) right now, the general chat room for this site" CreationDate="2016-06-05T18:06:52.557" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="6681" PostId="4051" Score="0" Text="no prejudice re: vote.  promise ;)" CreationDate="2016-06-05T18:10:19.177" UserId="172805" />
  <row Id="6686" PostId="459" Score="0" Text="@MichaelMrozek what did you do in 2011?" CreationDate="2016-06-06T01:51:32.397" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="6687" PostId="459" Score="0" Text="@Jakuje: Because somebody added the `/featured` tag. Why can normal users do this?" CreationDate="2016-06-06T02:41:08.227" UserId="150422" />
  <row Id="6688" PostId="459" Score="1" Text="@wolf-revo-cats actually, the system never removed it. Featured tags that are over 2 week old are automatically ignored by the CB, or at least that was before and then the latest edit just reseted the timer. Right now is different, after two weeks the tag is removed by Community." CreationDate="2016-06-06T03:14:34.300" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="6689" PostId="2728" Score="1" Text="Can we blacklist /error, now that Anthon has successfully cleared it out?" CreationDate="2016-06-06T15:52:47.057" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="6690" PostId="4050" Score="1" Text="As a workaround, feel free to use tools like google translate if writing the question/answer is too hard for you. Just include a note like &quot;Sorry for the English, I am using Google translate&quot; and I'm sure someone will edit the post so it's better. As for understanding answers, you could ask in [/dev/chat](http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/26/dev-chat). I'm sure someone will help you out. Il y a pas mal des gens qui parlent français ici." CreationDate="2016-06-07T09:11:20.457" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6691" PostId="4059" Score="0" Text="Thanks, I wasn't aware of SE's previous _meta tag_ problems." CreationDate="2016-06-09T15:12:58.770" UserId="165517" />
  <row Id="6693" PostId="4058" Score="0" Text="I'm sorry to learn that meta-tagging didn't work out here. The initial inspiration was in attempting to classify [this](http://stackoverflow.com/questions/37681747/find-full-path-names-of-bmp-files-under-folder-append-to-file) -- including the OP's own answer, it's the least coherent question I've encountered to date. But surely SE has had others. I'd love to have a suitable tag for content of that sort, to compare, and put it in perspective." CreationDate="2016-06-09T16:31:39.710" UserId="165517" />
  <row Id="6694" PostId="4050" Score="3" Text="You can try the `fr.comp.os.unix` usenet newsgroup. Mostly dead nowadays but you could try and revive it." CreationDate="2016-06-09T19:31:33.420" UserId="22565" />
  <row Id="6695" PostId="4059" Score="0" Text="Tags with a wiki take longer to be removed, iirc, if at all" CreationDate="2016-06-09T20:31:34.397" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="6696" PostId="4059" Score="0" Text="@muru I got curious about /humor and noticed that on the tag search page it says &quot;x3&quot; as if there's 3 questions so tagged; but the tag page itself says 0 questions! Maybe those invisible 3 Q's are preventing the tag's auto-removal?" CreationDate="2016-06-10T10:30:35.517" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="6697" PostId="4059" Score="2" Text="Ahh - found them-- locked Q's: http://data.stackexchange.com/unix/query/498609/humor-tag" CreationDate="2016-06-10T10:49:55.497" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="6698" PostId="4059" Score="1" Text="@JeffSchaller Questions with a [historical lock](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/126587/what-is-a-historical-lock-and-what-is-it-used-for) don't appear in listings, but they're still there, they count towards tag usage, and they appear in searches ([example](http://unix.stackexchange.com/search?q=%5Bhumor%5D+command))." CreationDate="2016-06-10T11:05:09.753" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="6699" PostId="4059" Score="0" Text="Oh, that's why the tooltip said 3 questions but the tag page said 0; I couldn't figure out what was going on there. Thanks" CreationDate="2016-06-10T14:47:03.560" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="6700" PostId="2728" Score="1" Text="@JeffSchaller done." CreationDate="2016-06-10T16:49:42.130" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6701" PostId="4050" Score="1" Text="As @terdon stated, people like me spend most days editing questions that fall into your question here, and we answer a few as we go.  All we ask is that you don't think that we changed the intent of the question via the edit.  If that happens let us know via comments ." CreationDate="2016-06-11T02:46:36.517" UserId="64157" />
  <row Id="6702" PostId="4058" Score="2" Text="@agc and what would that accomplish other than shame the user? If it's a bad Q&amp;A downvote it and move on. How does pinning a sign on it help?" CreationDate="2016-06-11T10:39:59.043" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6703" PostId="4058" Score="0" Text="@terdon, as I said, &quot;I'd love to have a suitable tag for content of that sort, to compare, and put it in perspective.&quot;  As long as a sign was subject to reasonably objective standards and used accurately, it might do more good than harm." CreationDate="2016-06-11T16:54:33.193" UserId="165517" />
  <row Id="6704" PostId="4023" Score="0" Text="Yes, they are..." CreationDate="2016-06-11T19:36:47.377" UserId="121504" />
  <row Id="6707" PostId="4060" Score="0" Text="Could you show us the post in question please?" CreationDate="2016-06-15T17:24:30.723" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6708" PostId="4060" Score="0" Text="@terdon http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/289956/xubuntu-live-running-from-5gb-usb-but-free-space-only-800mb" CreationDate="2016-06-15T17:28:05.597" UserId="153195" />
  <row Id="6709" PostId="4062" Score="1" Text="what's wrong with simply answering the question ? (when you can)" CreationDate="2016-06-16T07:37:25.057" UserId="79818" />
  <row Id="6710" PostId="4062" Score="0" Text="The pattern has been low quality posts. I have left helpful comments, however unless something interesting, I am not compelled to invest a significant time with people side stepping our community/game rules." CreationDate="2016-06-16T08:00:43.267" UserId="138261" />
  <row Id="6711" PostId="4062" Score="2" Text="Is it really a big problem if someone has a problem and then needs to create a new account because they are not a member yet, and their post is low quality because they don't have any experience asking questions?" CreationDate="2016-06-16T11:26:11.443" UserId="18479" />
  <row Id="6712" PostId="4062" Score="2" Text="You really sound as if those posts are made by people who are existing members, but create new accounts for the express purpose of asking low quality questions?" CreationDate="2016-06-16T11:27:28.707" UserId="18479" />
  <row Id="6713" PostId="4062" Score="1" Text="Yeah I think it's important to not underestimate how many people probably just lurk SE websites and never post. We probably only see posts from 1% of visitors. Occasionally one of the lurkers is going to have a question, though. There's no real advantage to using the throwaway account. Like Rui said, it's actually kind of a hassle to do it that way." CreationDate="2016-06-16T14:38:54.630" UserId="34520" />
  <row Id="6714" PostId="4062" Score="3" Text="Pretty sure editing and commenting on your own question doesn't require any rep." CreationDate="2016-06-16T15:13:40.470" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="6715" PostId="4065" Score="0" Text="believe it or not, when I first checked the link **today**, send me to a 404 error page. now, a couple of hours later, it's working fine, thanks, the upside of this is I know a lot more about how cp and mv works. haha" CreationDate="2016-06-17T03:45:19.340" UserId="172514" />
  <row Id="6716" PostId="4065" Score="1" Text="Unfortunately the patchfile that site links to doesn't seem to be in the wayback machine, so you can't really follow the instructions" CreationDate="2016-06-17T04:42:02.700" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="6717" PostId="4066" Score="1" Text="I don't have much experience with these tools. Is the syntax of the other three close enough to `nc` to merit sharing a tag? Can you be an expert in `nc` but have no idea how `netcat` works? If they can be merged, I would be inclined to make `netcat` the master tag as that is the best known one (or so I think, correct me if I'm wrong)." CreationDate="2016-06-17T09:52:00.723" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6718" PostId="4067" Score="0" Text="Experts in &quot;learner-&quot; categories are called &quot;teachers&quot;.   Regarding &quot;publicly shaming&quot;:  To the extent that timely learning brings for many a *pride* of accomplishment, it necessarily must, (when the learner's own self-expectations are unduly delayed or frustrated), also bring *pride*'s opposite *shame*.  That back &amp; forth is *normal*, it's not a 1/1 balance, but more of a &quot;three steps forward, one step back&quot;.  Neither pride nor shame is the goal however, both being inevitable *side-effects* of the human learning process.   More later on the (many) benefits of labeling learning by degrees." CreationDate="2016-06-17T15:52:03.607" UserId="165517" />
  <row Id="6719" PostId="4062" Score="0" Text="@Bratchley I think even 1% is off by a few orders of magnitude — some posts here get huge amounts of visits compared to their activity, *e.g.* http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/222597/ which has 12 upvotes and over 50,000 views (which is more than half the number of questions on the site!)." CreationDate="2016-06-17T16:04:54.217" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="6720" PostId="4052" Score="0" Text="What would be the incentive for knowledgeable people to watch and answer? On the whole, French IT people aren't that bad at English. People who ask questions on French sites are mostly people who couldn't Google in English, so answering them is merely being a translating proxy and isn't very challenging." CreationDate="2016-06-18T10:03:18.970" UserId="171560" />
  <row Id="6721" PostId="4052" Score="0" Text="@xenoid On the whole, French IT people aren't very good at English. (Obviously, the ones you see on English-speaking forums are better than average.) People who ask questions on English sites are mostly people who couldn't Google, so … how would a French site be different?" CreationDate="2016-06-18T11:45:55.307" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="6723" PostId="4001" Score="0" Text="Is this more relevant now with the 'X' going away? (`OS X` becoming `macOS`)" CreationDate="2016-06-18T20:49:56.967" UserId="117599" />
  <row Id="6724" PostId="4066" Score="0" Text="Are `nc` and `netcat` even different programs? I thought that &quot;`nc`&quot; was the name of the &quot;netcat&quot; program, in the sense that &quot;`rm`&quot; is the name of the &quot;remove&quot; program and &quot;`vi`&quot; is the name of the &quot;visual editor&quot; program." CreationDate="2016-06-20T04:25:10.823" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="6725" PostId="4066" Score="0" Text="@G-Man: There are [a whole bunch of `netcat` variants](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netcat#Ports_and_reimplementations). Some are called `nc`, some `netcat`, and some install a link from one name to the other." CreationDate="2016-06-20T04:28:43.180" UserId="138" />
  <row Id="6726" PostId="4066" Score="0" Text="I’m not sure how that responds to my question. Based on my understanding of what Wikipedia says, if we’re going to consider the possibility of having separate tags for “nc” and “netcat”, then we should also have tags for “gnu-netcat”, “openbsd-netcat”, “freebsd-netcat”, “cygwin-netcat”, “macports-netcat”, “busybox-netcat”, “windows-netcat” and “wince-netcat” (or “netcat-gnu”, “netcat-openbsd”, etc.) and “cryptcat”, “pnetcat”, “sock”, “socket-(program)”, and “sbd” — … (Cont’d)" CreationDate="2016-06-20T21:33:14.093" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="6727" PostId="4066" Score="0" Text="(Cont’d) …  because “netcat” isn’t a program, *per se*; it’s a family of programs. My point is that it doesn’t make sense to say that “nc” and “netcat” are two different programs — either they’re the same program, or they’re a dozen different programs, but not two. I believe that “nc” should be an alias for “netcat”.  … (Cont’d)" CreationDate="2016-06-20T21:33:27.487" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="6728" PostId="4066" Score="0" Text="(Cont’d) …  To get to the point, we need somebody who knows these programs well to provide some guidance on how different they are. Note, for reference, that we have separate tags for “awk”, “gawk”, and “mawk”. Usage of the plain “awk” tag outnumbers the others by a ratio of over 35:1, even though many of the answers to “awk” questions depend on GNU features. There’s a similar situation with “grep”. And another note: ISTR that [SU] briefly had an “ncat” tag, and it went away." CreationDate="2016-06-20T21:33:42.093" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="6729" PostId="4066" Score="0" Text="@G-Man: Are you definitively saying that a command line format defines the scope of a tag? Two different command line schema equals two different tags? If so, that answers the question." CreationDate="2016-06-20T21:35:16.750" UserId="138" />
  <row Id="6730" PostId="4066" Score="0" Text="(1) I’m not saying anything definitively. I’m just an ordinary user here; I’m just offering my opinions.  (2) I’m not sure what you mean about “command line schema”, but I tend to agree with @terdon: if it’s possible to be an expert in `nc` but have no idea how `ncat` works, they should probably be different tags — although  I guess frequency/demand is also a factor. If a tag has only eight questions, and it’s covered by another tag, then maybe it shouldn’t exist." CreationDate="2016-06-20T22:32:03.003" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="6731" PostId="4067" Score="0" Text="You’ve been asked, “what would that accomplish other than shame the user?” and as far as I can see, you haven’t answered. You seem to be missing the point of terdon’s answer. Anybody who can answer any question correctly qualifies as a “teacher”. It’s possible to distinguish among shell experts, Perl experts, system configuration experts, etc. Attempting to categorize somebody as an expert in novice questions just digs your hole even deeper: you’re shaming the ***answerers***, too." CreationDate="2016-06-21T02:33:08.053" UserId="23408" />
  <row Id="6732" PostId="4000" Score="0" Text="soup, thanks. I tried to search my deleted posts on android.stackexchange.com, by android.stackexchange.com/search?q=deleted%3A1, but it doesn't seem to show the deleted posts of mine. What does 'deleted%3A1' mean actually?" CreationDate="2016-06-21T10:56:57.753" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="6736" PostId="4072" Score="1" Text="I suggest you take an actual picture instead of a screenshot. What you show looks perfectly clear to me, a screenshot doesn't reflect what you actually see on *your* screen." CreationDate="2016-06-23T13:29:07.083" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6737" PostId="4072" Score="0" Text="@terdon I appreciate that (and lucky for you) but don't have access to a camera right now. In lieu of that, I've added a screenshot comparing Unix/Linux SE to StackOverflow, the latter of which is my point of reference for the (to me) large difference in visibility of the backgrounds." CreationDate="2016-06-23T13:35:50.827" UserId="124753" />
  <row Id="6740" PostId="4074" Score="0" Text="The focus on admitting it comes from being explicitly told on SO that that is what I'm supposed to do and from finding multiple meta posts supporting that argument. The value (to the site) to having it on multiple sites is that when the site suggests duplicates from a title, it does not search across the network, only within that specific site. If I had thought to have it migrated, then the link would exist and it would show up in the duplicate search. But as I said, I did not think to do so since it is really not an Ubuntu specific question. The value (to me) is more eyes on my question." CreationDate="2016-06-23T15:12:57.043" UserId="37468" />
  <row Id="6741" PostId="4074" Score="1" Text="@embedded.kyle I meant I don't know where those people got it; admitting it seems thoroughly unimportant, I don't know how it became the central issue when it comes to cross-posting. The value to you the asker is obvious, but it makes things worse for the answerers who browse both sites and have to see the question twice, and the future searchers who have to come across the question twice. It's thoroughly frustrating to check the first Google result, see that it doesn't help, move on to the second result, and find that it's a duplicate of the first result" CreationDate="2016-06-23T15:20:08.580" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="6742" PostId="4074" Score="0" Text="@embedded.kyle You have to decide if the question was on-topic on AU or not, you seem to keep flipping. If it is, we would happily migrate it. If it's not, it shouldn't be there. There is no middle ground that needs you to repost it" CreationDate="2016-06-23T15:21:44.633" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="6743" PostId="4074" Score="0" Text="@embedded.kyle this site (U&amp;L) feels particularly strongly against cross-posting. And yes, there are threads on the main meta suggesting that you divulge, but the closest to an &quot;official&quot; stance is that if you post on another site, you should tweak it to that site's audience. Personally, I find this whole thing kind of silly and would prefer to see a method of sharing questions between sites but, sadly, none exists and current opinion is dead set against crossposts. Since your AU question had attracted some attention, I closed this one." CreationDate="2016-06-23T15:29:01.783" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6744" PostId="4073" Score="0" Text="I'd just like to address your point about the user who refused to help you. You're quite right, that does seem petty and pointless and against the spirit of the site. However, I think the comment was along the lines of &quot;this will be closed since it's crossposted and that's a shame 'cause I could have helped&quot;. Yes, actually helping instead of leaving such a comment would have been more useful but I don't think they were saying that they won't help as a form of punishment because you cross-posted." CreationDate="2016-06-23T15:36:41.910" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6745" PostId="4074" Score="0" Text="I can understand that what I've said can be construed as flipping. But I feel that this question in fully on-topic for both sites. The question and answer are not specific to any one distro and so is on topic here. At the same time it is occurring on an Ubuntu system and general Unix questions that occur on Ubuntu are on topic over there as well. I went to AU because I was getting no help here and they have more traffic. Not because the topic was a better fit there. In doing so I was told here, &quot;I can help you, but I won't.&quot; What would you do in this case?" CreationDate="2016-06-23T15:40:31.927" UserId="37468" />
  <row Id="6746" PostId="4074" Score="0" Text="@terdon That's fine. I understand that each site has its own values and I want to respect that which I why I'm asking for clarification here. I'm just still miffed at the user that told me that they could help me but they wouldn't because I crossposted. Only they wouldn't have know that I crossposted had I not mentioned it. And I only mentioned it because I was told elsewhere on SE to do so. If it is taboo on this site, I won't do it again." CreationDate="2016-06-23T15:45:48.277" UserId="37468" />
  <row Id="6747" PostId="4074" Score="0" Text="@embedded.kyle  As far as I can tell, you're going out of your way to be a model citizen here (and thank you for that, by the way). Yes, U&amp;L is [particularly against cross-posting](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/q/3422/). More so than any other SE site I am familiar with. And yes, the user's comment was very miff inducing. However, as I said in my comment above, I do think they meant &quot;I would help you but I can't&quot; rather than &quot;I can help but I won't&quot;. I would suggest you edit the AU post so it's more specific to Ubuntu and then I can reopen the one here as well." CreationDate="2016-06-23T15:51:40.710" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6748" PostId="4073" Score="0" Text="@terdon The user is a high rep user here and also a member of AU. I explained to them that they could answer here before it got closed (I would have copied that answer over to AU if the user had not done so themselves, though it now seems more appropriate to delete the duplicate). Or that they could go over to AU and answer there and I linked the question (again, as I've been instructed to do). Instead they cast the fist close vote. While it may not have been meant that way, it sure seems like punishment." CreationDate="2016-06-23T15:54:16.813" UserId="37468" />
  <row Id="6749" PostId="4073" Score="0" Text="Yes, I understand. I'd have been pissed off in your place as well. I know the user in question though and they are generally quite helpful which is why I'm leaning more towards a communications breakdown." CreationDate="2016-06-23T15:55:31.243" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6750" PostId="4074" Score="0" Text="@terdon You're welcome. If I were to edit the AU question to remove the links to other guides and to follow the Ubuntu specific guide, would that be grounds to reopen the question in hope that it might lure back the aforementioned user and possibly get an answer?" CreationDate="2016-06-23T16:00:23.667" UserId="37468" />
  <row Id="6751" PostId="4074" Score="0" Text="@embedded.kyle ideally, it would take a bit more than just removing the links but yes, [that's the idea](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/64069/203101). Try and tweak one of the two questions to better fit their site's audience. Once I can claim they're different enough not to be cross-posts, I will happily reopen the closed one." CreationDate="2016-06-23T16:02:33.353" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6752" PostId="4074" Score="0" Text="@terdon Understood. My question includes command outputs from many guides. I will tailor the AU question to specifically follow the Ubuntu guide after lunch to make it more relevant to that distro." CreationDate="2016-06-23T16:06:33.073" UserId="37468" />
  <row Id="6753" PostId="4073" Score="0" Text="(Answering here so we don't spam poor Michael with our exchange). Since I'm the one who closed it, leaving me a coment (with `@terdon`) on your post here once you've edited the AU one should be enough. If not, just answer me here." CreationDate="2016-06-23T16:14:18.260" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6754" PostId="4073" Score="0" Text="@terdon I've edited my AU question so that it follows only the Ubuntu guide step-by-step. I've edited my question here to address a comment asked here and deleted my comments mentioning the crosspost. Are they sufficiently different now? If not what else should I do? Also, thank you for pinging the user for me." CreationDate="2016-06-23T18:08:20.050" UserId="37468" />
  <row Id="6755" PostId="4073" Score="0" Text="That should be fine, thanks. I reopened the question here." CreationDate="2016-06-23T19:11:24.603" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6756" PostId="4073" Score="0" Text="@terdon Thanks for that. And thank you for taking the time to more fully explain this community's rules and values." CreationDate="2016-06-23T19:38:02.343" UserId="37468" />
  <row Id="6758" PostId="4075" Score="2" Text="what will we be using ? a prompt ? which one ? `&gt;_` `#_`" CreationDate="2016-06-24T11:23:50.370" UserId="79818" />
  <row Id="6760" PostId="4077" Score="3" Text="I don't understand what you mean. Tracking badges has absolutely no effect on whether you get them or not. It's only a trick to let you see your progress, you'll get the badge whether you track it or not." CreationDate="2016-06-26T18:20:18.190" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6761" PostId="4079" Score="0" Text="I don't think we can get badges retroactively - if we did, way more people would have that edit+answer badge (Illuminator?). Or perhaps an exception was made for it." CreationDate="2016-06-27T06:44:03.697" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="6762" PostId="4079" Score="3" Text="@muru Illuminator is a good example, since it was added [September 30, 2014](http://meta.stackexchange.com/revisions/239898/6) and [slm immediately earned it](http://unix.stackexchange.com/help/badges/233/illuminator); I suspect he didn't edit/answer 500 questions that same day" CreationDate="2016-06-27T17:22:33.887" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="6763" PostId="4080" Score="3" Text="I like `$` for silver (both for the $-S similarity and the financial association), which leaves `&gt;` for bronze." CreationDate="2016-06-29T20:10:59.813" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="6764" PostId="4080" Score="1" Text="I agree with `#`, `$` and `&gt;` respectively (gold, silver, bronze) but I would add an underscore turning it into `#_`, `$_` and `&gt;_` (just like Archemar suggested).  The underscore is often understood as the cursor, hell, you can set the cursor to underscore in all terminal emulators." CreationDate="2016-06-30T15:40:44.993" UserId="172635" />
  <row Id="6765" PostId="4077" Score="2" Text="I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it is founded on a misunderstanding." CreationDate="2016-07-01T06:18:02.677" UserId="23408" />
  <row Id="6766" PostId="4080" Score="1" Text="The math.SE uses shapes with filled colours, which makes the badges pop and distinguishable. How will the proposed badges appear at unix.SE? Will the two-characters appear as &quot;coloured text on dark background&quot; or &quot;dark text on coloured background&quot;?" CreationDate="2016-07-01T19:52:12.067" UserDisplayName="user125388" />
  <row Id="6767" PostId="4075" Score="0" Text="I just noticed that our current icons have the `~` symbol in them. I separately wonder if the icons have to be round." CreationDate="2016-07-01T20:48:41.347" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="6771" PostId="4080" Score="0" Text="Definitely the right-hand set is the way to go, but the font should be bold and centered in the middle of the ball. Also the silver could be brighter as a contrast to the text." CreationDate="2016-07-05T16:16:03.080" UserId="80886" />
  <row Id="6772" PostId="4080" Score="0" Text="I'm honestly hoping someone else can bring some graphical talents to the table; I used my 13-year-old-stale HTML skills but couldn't find the colors that SX currently uses. The circles are all different sizes &amp; etc!  (But I also prefer the general look of the right-hand side -- it's more obvious what 'class' the badge is)" CreationDate="2016-07-05T16:35:09.327" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="6773" PostId="4082" Score="4" Text="Cool. The rectangle reminds me a terminal so is even better. I'm only not sure if small pictures are readable enough." CreationDate="2016-07-05T17:27:23.207" UserId="80886" />
  <row Id="6774" PostId="4082" Score="0" Text="@jimmij - I added a more spaced version, there isn't a place on the website that badge icons appear right next to each other, so this should help readability.  I believe that the spaced image is already more readable." CreationDate="2016-07-05T17:44:34.120" UserId="172635" />
  <row Id="6775" PostId="4082" Score="3" Text="According to [this post](http://meta.photo.stackexchange.com/q/4777/11828), badge colors are: copper (e19375), silver (b4b4b4), and gold (f9c923)." CreationDate="2016-07-05T20:45:33.030" UserId="40059" />
  <row Id="6776" PostId="4080" Score="0" Text="Ugh, `&gt;_` to me looks like a DOS prompt.  No thanks!" CreationDate="2016-07-05T20:58:49.437" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="6777" PostId="120" Score="0" Text="My comment applies to nearly all the answers below: The 404 image chosen should not be completely confusing to beginners.  (The Tux one is pretty funny and not confusing; the &quot;kernel panic&quot; text ideas would be confusing and potentially worrying.)" CreationDate="2016-07-05T21:30:47.253" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="6778" PostId="4084" Score="0" Text="Fair enough. I didn't consider that a user might have deleted his own post (not that this is necessarily what happened with those two edits)." CreationDate="2016-07-06T15:18:17.580" UserId="174178" />
  <row Id="6779" PostId="4085" Score="4" Text="Hmm. Good question. I don't really see much use for it at all. Let's see what the community thinks." CreationDate="2016-07-07T12:18:01.993" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6780" PostId="4085" Score="0" Text="I agree, it seems like a useless tag and should probably be removed." CreationDate="2016-07-07T12:24:14.623" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="6781" PostId="4075" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller no, they don't. Check out [aviation.se] or [biology.se] for example." CreationDate="2016-07-07T15:05:02.587" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6782" PostId="4082" Score="2" Text="great work, grochmal! I'm also a fan of the rectangle shape; my own preference would be for the black font (vs white).  Based on [some](http://biology.stackexchange.com/help/badges) / [other](http://aviation.stackexchange.com/help/badges) sites, maybe we don't need the border, allowing for a slightly larger symbol size? I'd also be OK with shortening the underscore slightly, if it helped." CreationDate="2016-07-07T15:12:08.273" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="6783" PostId="4088" Score="0" Text="`foo` and `bar` maybe?" CreationDate="2016-07-08T00:44:31.757" UserId="172635" />
  <row Id="6784" PostId="536" Score="1" Text="The image link is broken; it should be http://blog.stackoverflow.com/images/wordpress/interesting-question-decision-tree-flowchart.png.&#xA;&#xA;&#xA;(Unfortunately, I can't edit it (button is greyed out); don't know why.)" CreationDate="2016-07-08T05:36:32.993" UserId="56043" />
  <row Id="6785" PostId="4088" Score="1" Text="Got any example questions you're thinking of editing in mind?" CreationDate="2016-07-08T05:58:38.327" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="6786" PostId="4088" Score="0" Text="@derobert, I'd already done several missing filename inclusions over the past few months, but piecemeal, not systemically.  Which eventually was how the question came to mind.  I agree that some illustrative examples would be a good thing.  Pending..." CreationDate="2016-07-08T06:10:07.250" UserId="165517" />
  <row Id="6787" PostId="4086" Score="7" Text="This is a problem on many stack exchange sites - should this question be migrated to meta.SE?  The nearest I found there is [How valuable are images containing text, compared with markdown?](//meta.stackexchange.com/questions/121092)" CreationDate="2016-07-08T12:27:24.290" UserId="112566" />
  <row Id="6788" PostId="4086" Score="5" Text="@TobySpeight migrated, no. I don't think so. This is certainly a good idea on the technical/coding sites but not, for example, in photography." CreationDate="2016-07-08T12:28:09.073" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6789" PostId="4080" Score="0" Text="@Wildcard If you don't like `&gt;_`, what do you think about `%_`? Like in `csh`?" CreationDate="2016-07-09T04:31:51.570" UserId="175857" />
  <row Id="6790" PostId="4080" Score="0" Text="@Fox I've never used `csh` so my response is neutral.  At least it doesn't have the DOS connotation.  :)" CreationDate="2016-07-09T04:49:14.050" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="6791" PostId="4080" Score="0" Text="@Wildcard I'm not personally a fan of `csh`, but it does have a place in Unix history." CreationDate="2016-07-09T04:56:04.497" UserId="175857" />
  <row Id="6792" PostId="3615" Score="0" Text="I'm a bit late to the game here, but it's not actually true that all Linux distributions have Python preinstalled (Arch doesn't), and certainly not all Unix-based systems (NetBSD doesn't)." CreationDate="2016-07-09T05:49:55.247" UserId="175857" />
  <row Id="6793" PostId="4079" Score="0" Text="@muru - there were several occurrences over the years where badges were introduced and myself and others instantly got them b/c we'd already met all the requirements and I literally did nothing &quot;new&quot; to get them." CreationDate="2016-07-09T08:50:35.540" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="6794" PostId="4065" Score="0" Text="Moderators can delete an accepted answer." CreationDate="2016-07-09T22:55:40.703" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="6795" PostId="4065" Score="1" Text="No, don't use strike markup to indicate that a part of an answer is irrelevant. If it's irrelevant, edit it out. The history of a post belongs in its history, not inside the post." CreationDate="2016-07-09T22:56:22.733" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="6796" PostId="4094" Score="6" Text="That's different than terdon's point, I think" CreationDate="2016-07-10T00:05:15.540" UserId="136107" />
  <row Id="6797" PostId="4094" Score="11" Text="If you *can* copy-paste the text then you should do so.  If you can't, then that's almost always a valid reason to post a screenshot.  Preferably not fuzzy and blurred and/or drowned out by the glare of the flash or the reflection of you and your camera from the screen :)." CreationDate="2016-07-10T07:41:15.290" UserId="7696" />
  <row Id="6798" PostId="4090" Score="0" Text="... and problems such as http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/294845/ where the question was about the precise visual behaviour of the terminal (&quot;I refer to the rectangles with the numbers in it.&quot;)." CreationDate="2016-07-10T09:29:52.843" UserId="5132" />
  <row Id="6799" PostId="4094" Score="2" Text="An exception that proves the rule?" CreationDate="2016-07-10T12:46:47.400" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="6800" PostId="4086" Score="4" Text="I agree with Toby. Perhaps your PSA needs to be amended to be less dismissive of the common-sense special cases, such as (1) if the *visual appearance* of the text is essential to the content of the post, and (2) if technical difficulties prevent the poster from doing copy and paste. (Another example of this would be a user who had a virtual machine, but he was having a problem getting networking up on the VM, so he could access it only through the console.) Even on the photography site, I cannot think of any reason to post an image of text when the only information to be conveyed is the text." CreationDate="2016-07-10T17:17:29.430" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="6801" PostId="4086" Score="7" Text="@G-Man you mean putting it in caps as well as bold? There are already two paragraphs there stating that it's fine in certain cases. The visual appearance of text bit is in bold and the last paragraph also gives other examples. I'm not trying to say it's never good, I'm trying to stop people from posting screenshots of their terminals or shell scripts." CreationDate="2016-07-10T17:24:47.087" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6802" PostId="4086" Score="0" Text="Well, (1) I agree with Toby that this is not specific to U&amp;L or even the technical/coding sites in general, but is relevant to the entire SE network, and (2) it just seems to me that your two non-sequential paragraphs have a dismissive tone, as if you're making an obligatory reference to the weird uncle that nobody wants to talk about — sort of &quot;**don't *ever*** post images of text (mumble mumble mumble)&quot;.  I was suggesting that your advisory's tone could be more balanced, as in &quot;don't post images of text ***except*** in the following cases….&quot;" CreationDate="2016-07-10T18:40:46.267" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="6803" PostId="4086" Score="0" Text="As for 1) perhaps, but all I really wanted here is a local meta posts I can point to when people post screenshots of their terminals. 2) I really don't see. but feel free to edit." CreationDate="2016-07-10T18:42:28.073" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6804" PostId="4094" Score="1" Text="@cas: Thanks for [adding my counterexample as a valid exception to terdon's claim](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/posts/4086/revisions)--I was unsure whether that would be presumptuous. You might also point to instructions for setting up a serial console, since I'm guessing that, for a new user, that option will be not only unintuitive but unknown." CreationDate="2016-07-11T02:38:58.963" UserId="38638" />
  <row Id="6805" PostId="4094" Score="0" Text="(part 1 of 2) @cat: Precisely. My counterexample counters [terdon's original point](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/revisions/4086/1) that posting screenshots is bad except (as is better expressed in [cas' edit](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/revisions/4086/2)) when the problem is inherently visual (as opposed to textual). I also disagree with terdon's original point that if one *can* produce text, one should: as is always the case in life, one must account for cost and capability...." CreationDate="2016-07-11T02:40:05.800" UserId="38638" />
  <row Id="6806" PostId="4094" Score="2" Text="(part 2 of 2) @cat: ... A new user especially (and even more experienced but less intelligent users like myself) will probably not know which part of a boot spew is important; s/he should not be required to type it all in." CreationDate="2016-07-11T02:40:27.253" UserId="38638" />
  <row Id="6807" PostId="4094" Score="0" Text="@muru: exceptions *never* prove a *categorical* claim, they only disprove. No individual exception can disprove a *probabilitic* claim, but `This is a very bad idea` is hardly that." CreationDate="2016-07-11T02:43:07.270" UserId="38638" />
  <row Id="6808" PostId="4086" Score="0" Text="@G-Man the only reason the paragraphs are non-consecutive is that I changed &quot;In addition...&quot; from a sentence into a separate paragraph.  I'd have moved it above &quot;While there are sometimes valid...&quot;, but it makes the most sense immediately after &quot;in most cases it is not useful&quot;.   As for tone, it doesn't feel dismissive to me, and it's not meant to be.  It's describing what should be the default - don't post images, but here's a non-exclusive list of some valid exceptions." CreationDate="2016-07-11T03:00:32.097" UserId="7696" />
  <row Id="6809" PostId="4094" Score="3" Text="@muru that 'exception that proves the rule' cliche uses and old, almost obsolete meaning of &quot;prove&quot; that (in current english) is roughly equivalent to &quot;test&quot; or even &quot;challenge&quot;.  i.e. it indicates a significant enough exception that the rule is put in doubt, or &quot;to the test&quot;." CreationDate="2016-07-11T03:05:52.800" UserId="7696" />
  <row Id="6810" PostId="4094" Score="0" Text="@TomRoche - good idea.  i'll hunt for a post and add a link." CreationDate="2016-07-11T03:06:15.350" UserId="7696" />
  <row Id="6811" PostId="4094" Score="1" Text="Still better to use a serial console in this case (of course, the asker may still need to be pointed at the instructions to do so, if they're really so new)." CreationDate="2016-07-11T08:26:05.583" UserId="112566" />
  <row Id="6812" PostId="4094" Score="2" Text="@muru actually, it's probably from the legal meaning of, e.g., the sign saying &quot;no parking 9pm–6am&quot; proves the general rule (that parking is allowed other times). See snopes, or Wikipedia, or [English.SE](http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/14193/what-is-the-exception-that-proves-the-rule)." CreationDate="2016-07-11T15:47:32.497" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="6813" PostId="1397" Score="0" Text="@slm for the record I'm entirely happy that is was posted as a community wiki - I held off posting an answer myself because I wasn't sure what the etiquette was" CreationDate="2016-07-12T02:14:34.913" UserId="65304" />
  <row Id="6814" PostId="4094" Score="0" Text="Here's an example: http://askubuntu.com/q/149443/32034 , Setting up a serial console sounds a lot of work though compared to just taking pictures." CreationDate="2016-07-12T05:32:20.603" UserId="19280" />
  <row Id="6816" PostId="4094" Score="4" Text="less work for the asker, more work for the readers / answerers.  being inconsiderate of other people's time is a guaranteed way to encourage them to help." CreationDate="2016-07-12T15:07:52.553" UserId="7696" />
  <row Id="6817" PostId="4094" Score="2" Text="@FaridNouriNeshat that's an example where it's quite complex to set things up in order to copy and where it also requires a certain level of technical competence. Posting images for such cases is fine. This post is mainly for cases where posting the text simply involves copy/paste." CreationDate="2016-07-12T16:11:50.383" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6818" PostId="530" Score="0" Text="&quot;Please disregard.  This proposal has been abandoned ...&quot;" CreationDate="2016-07-13T18:05:29.747" UserId="23408" />
  <row Id="6819" PostId="2749" Score="0" Text="goldilocks, jasonwryan: I find it interesting that you should choose an analogy that includes “fish,” “water”, “swimming” and “flow”, because I have a counterargument that also features “fish”: “If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. If you teach him how to fish, you feed him for life.” The drive-by suggestor (the user without edit privileges who suggests an edit that fixes only a small subset of the problems in a post) *is* doing something wrong, inasmuch as he is creating work for a conscientious high-rep user. … (Cont’d)" CreationDate="2016-07-13T19:20:26.053" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="6820" PostId="2749" Score="0" Text="(Cont’d) …  (And, arguably, is also misbehaving in that he is farming rep for shoddy work.)  If you can communicate with such a person and train him to be more thorough when he edits, you might create a user who churns out high-quality edits rather than low-quality ones, and you will have accomplished more than you can by fixing a never-ending [stream](/q/2748/#comment6820_2749 &quot;yes, another reference to flowing water!&quot;) of inferior suggestions. Note, as terdon points out, that the (now defunct) “too minor” rejection reason … (Cont’d)" CreationDate="2016-07-13T19:21:27.177" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="6821" PostId="2749" Score="0" Text="(Cont’d) …  was never meant to be a reason not to ***do*** an edit.  It is only a reason for a low-rep user not to clutter the review queue with suggestions for incomplete edits that high-rep users must deal with. (And, while I have some sympathy for the guy who sees a typo and wants to fix it, we all know that there are people who make their livelihood by suggesting edits.  They are motivated by the rep at least as much as by the goal of improving the quality of the site, and they seem to look for excuses to edit things.)" CreationDate="2016-07-13T19:22:40.723" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="6822" PostId="2749" Score="0" Text="@G-Man my experience of the site is that the majority of people are here for free fish and chips, and the fishing instructors are left standing around with their poles on their hands..." CreationDate="2016-07-13T20:00:17.213" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="6823" PostId="106" Score="0" Text="&quot;What video players are there&quot; questions definitely do not belong on Android Enthusiasts. They're broad, open-ended, attract spam, have no correct answer, and go out of date very quickly. Also, no questions about the N810 belong on Android Enthusiasts because it isn't an Android device. The edit that introduced that was wrong." CreationDate="2016-07-14T12:34:48.423" UserId="33663" />
  <row Id="6824" PostId="106" Score="0" Text="@DanHulme I've removed the part about the N810 since it's irrelevant (the N810 doesn't run Android, it runs a Linux distribution (derived from Debian)) and seems to have been put there by mistake." CreationDate="2016-07-14T12:41:14.167" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="6825" PostId="4086" Score="4" Text="I'd add a point to the above list:  The image is of no help to someone who wants to use a service like Google Translate to render the page in another language." CreationDate="2016-07-14T18:25:52.613" UserId="110294" />
  <row Id="6826" PostId="4094" Score="0" Text="A lot of services like Google Docs and the Microsoft equivalent are trying to do OCR now, maybe this would be an overkill here but it would be nice nevertheless. The quality of the photo has to be good enough but smart phone cameras are getting better every year." CreationDate="2016-07-15T17:26:34.380" UserId="117599" />
  <row Id="6827" PostId="4098" Score="1" Text="Iirc, the header is of the form `[first tag]: title - …`, unless the first tag name is already in the title, in which case the `[tag] -` is skipped." CreationDate="2016-07-15T18:15:29.133" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="6828" PostId="4098" Score="0" Text="@muru Ok so why this question doesn't have the [tag] in the header while `discussion` is not in the title?" CreationDate="2016-07-15T19:07:07.583" UserId="68382" />
  <row Id="6829" PostId="4098" Score="0" Text="Presumably because it's a required tag on meta sites." CreationDate="2016-07-15T19:19:20.603" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="6830" PostId="4086" Score="0" Text="To be fair, it is not always &quot;easier&quot; to copy&amp;paste the text; if it was, people would do it. The image questions I see are either terminals or compiler output in an IDE. The latter often requires some special shortcut or menu interaction to copy. The former is also unintuitive to many, many people I’ve worked with. Terminals won’t allow you to copy with Ctrl+C for reasons obvious *to advanced users*, but novices may be confused by that and assume they cannot copy." CreationDate="2016-07-16T11:17:14.867" UserId="20834" />
  <row Id="6831" PostId="4086" Score="1" Text="@JonasWielicki well, while terminals might not allow Ctrl+C, most if not all modern terminals have the classic Edit-&gt;copy paste and, of course, select and middle click paste. I have never once seen compiler output from an IDE here. That might be common on SO, I guess, but not here." CreationDate="2016-07-16T11:21:02.367" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6832" PostId="4086" Score="0" Text="@terdon `xterm` doesn't support copy or paste; it just has middle-click copy&amp;paste (both at the same time.)" CreationDate="2016-07-16T13:26:34.300" UserId="81848" />
  <row Id="6833" PostId="4099" Score="0" Text="Do you mean questions like &quot;Where can I download X?&quot; or what do you mean by &quot;generally look for a download&quot;." CreationDate="2016-07-16T13:41:42.133" UserId="39954" />
  <row Id="6834" PostId="4099" Score="0" Text="@RaphaelAhrens The [tag:download] tag is surely needed, if a new download tool tag gets added, then you won't get coverage for that tool if you search for `[wget][curl]`, but you *will* if you search for `[download]`." CreationDate="2016-07-16T13:45:50.423" UserId="81848" />
  <row Id="6835" PostId="4086" Score="2" Text="@ΈρικΚωνσταντόπουλος yes, that's why I specified *modern* terminals." CreationDate="2016-07-16T15:13:42.480" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6836" PostId="4099" Score="1" Text="If you mean questions of the type &quot;where can I download something?&quot; then I'm not sure it's a good fit for the site." CreationDate="2016-07-16T22:43:41.773" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="6837" PostId="4086" Score="2" Text="@ΈρικΚωνσταντόπουλος redirection do wonders one those cases, ie. `thing that fails &amp;&gt; log`" CreationDate="2016-07-16T23:03:04.203" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="6838" PostId="4095" Score="0" Text="Then use the tag for *that* tool instead, we don't need a question tagged [apt] [download] when you want to use apt to download packages, just apt will do. BTW, it's very likely that ends up downvoted because the answer is in the man page/builtin help." CreationDate="2016-07-16T23:31:53.643" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="6839" PostId="4099" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller I don't think SE has such feature, but no, I mean something like &quot;Download problem!&quot; (for a tool no tag exists) or &quot;New tool, but I don't have enough rep!&quot; (for mods; create the tag, then delete the post). But, anyways, the [tag:download] tag *is* needed, not everyone will hassle because they need to search for &quot;[wget][curl][tool1][tool2][tool3][tool-et-cetera][tool-...][...]&quot;" CreationDate="2016-07-17T08:35:48.390" UserId="81848" />
  <row Id="6840" PostId="4086" Score="0" Text="@Braiam What if you want to copy the prompt itself?" CreationDate="2016-07-17T08:37:41.057" UserId="81848" />
  <row Id="6841" PostId="4086" Score="0" Text="[Let's leave the comment section alone.](//chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/42606)" CreationDate="2016-07-17T08:44:36.510" UserId="81848" />
  <row Id="6842" PostId="4106" Score="10" Text="@HuwEvans, also remember to accept your answer please." CreationDate="2016-07-18T15:10:00.177" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6843" PostId="4107" Score="0" Text="I don't understand. Are you talking about comments you posted? If your comment has been acted upon by its intended recipient (the details added to the question), you know it has been read and can be safely deleted. No, the recipient will no longer be able to read it but there's no need to, it's already been read. I'm not sure what situations you're describing here." CreationDate="2016-07-19T11:52:21.547" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6844" PostId="4107" Score="0" Text="@terdon a situation where you don't know the OP has read the comment (and there's no obvious reaction from which to infer this)" CreationDate="2016-07-19T11:56:24.650" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="6845" PostId="4107" Score="0" Text="OK, then it's up to you. Yes, if you delete your comment it's gone and the notification is removed from the OP's inbox. Is that what the main question is?" CreationDate="2016-07-19T12:07:43.717" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6846" PostId="4107" Score="0" Text="@terdon yes that's what I was trying to ask (clearly not very successfully). And &quot;oh&quot;. Thank you" CreationDate="2016-07-19T13:02:47.537" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="6847" PostId="4107" Score="0" Text="@terdon. So if I delete my immediately preceding comment you might not ever get to read it. And there's no action for you in it so I have no way of knowing when or if you've read it." CreationDate="2016-07-19T13:04:18.193" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="6850" PostId="4086" Score="0" Text="Is there a canonical &quot;How to copy an error message from an X11 application&quot; question?" CreationDate="2016-07-19T22:09:03.487" UserId="119806" />
  <row Id="6851" PostId="3144" Score="0" Text="We've now become infected with several  [tag:fedoraNNN], a few [tag:gnome-X.Y] ([tag:gnome3] makes sense, but not minor versions), and [tag:jessie]." CreationDate="2016-07-19T23:23:58.767" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="6852" PostId="4108" Score="1" Text="This definitely looks to all be a good faith effort to improve the post, so it's not vandalism. Beyond that... I don't see where the author's intent was lost. I may well be missing it; could you elaborate?" CreationDate="2016-07-19T23:51:13.160" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="6853" PostId="4108" Score="0" Text="@derobert The last paragraph has no correspondent in the [original post](http://unix.stackexchange.com/revisions/296187/1): _Some records (rows) consist of only one column. In that case, no corresponding file is created and that record is discarded in the output._ It's subtle enough that I only noticed because I actually answered the original question." CreationDate="2016-07-19T23:58:11.830" UserId="117516" />
  <row Id="6854" PostId="4108" Score="0" Text="Ah, OK. I figured that had come from a comment (and of course it's OK to edit a question to include clarifications from the comments). Also remember that comments can (and should!) be deleted after incorporation... so the comment may not be there anymore. I think a diamond mod can check. But please clarify your question, that you're asking about that one addition, not the entire edit." CreationDate="2016-07-20T00:03:10.190" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="6855" PostId="4108" Score="0" Text="@derobert Right, deleted comments.  I haven't considered that." CreationDate="2016-07-20T00:07:13.863" UserId="117516" />
  <row Id="6856" PostId="4111" Score="0" Text="Well, my first edit was rejected, apparently because I didn't (re-)explain the reason for the edit." CreationDate="2016-07-20T08:06:34.383" UserId="117516" />
  <row Id="6857" PostId="4111" Score="0" Text="@SatoKatsura yeah, makes sense. I only accepted because I had read your post here. Without explanation, your edit looks like you're arbitrarily deleting a part of the question. You should always explain the reason for aq given edit to avoid confusion." CreationDate="2016-07-20T08:07:47.320" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6858" PostId="4114" Score="0" Text="+1 for recommending to delete. I just wanted to make sure that I am deleting something that is agreed to be deleted, not just deliberately removing it without valid reason." CreationDate="2016-07-23T16:53:58.753" UserDisplayName="user125388" />
  <row Id="6859" PostId="4112" Score="0" Text="I have now deleted the question for good." CreationDate="2016-07-23T16:58:56.740" UserDisplayName="user125388" />
  <row Id="6862" PostId="4117" Score="0" Text="Thanks, it works. In addition I note that I have to point the top of my I beam at the text, and then wait for it to appear." CreationDate="2016-07-24T12:56:02.457" UserId="4778" />
  <row Id="6865" PostId="4121" Score="0" Text="I'm not sure what should happen to the user either. Perhaps a warning." CreationDate="2016-07-28T18:37:00.340" UserId="181278" />
  <row Id="6866" PostId="4121" Score="0" Text="@Elizafox - nothing, their question will end up closed when we try to migrate it to the SE site where they're banned, and it's automatically converted to closed. If they continue to do the same here on this SE site they'll end up getting banned automatically for the same reasons here, of asking too many questions that get closed." CreationDate="2016-07-29T05:31:25.850" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="6870" PostId="4122" Score="0" Text="I'm not sure we're always aware of the local rules or laws. I would leave it to the sysadmin or employer to enforce any desired restrictions. I have also pointed people in the direction of their local sysadmin." CreationDate="2016-07-30T23:10:12.827" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="6872" PostId="4114" Score="0" Text="I am accepting this answer because it has helped clearing my hesitation to delete the unanswered historical question. For one missing part of meta question, I have posted my own answer for future reference." CreationDate="2016-07-31T20:29:35.093" UserDisplayName="user125388" />
  <row Id="6873" PostId="4123" Score="2" Text="“If someone is being antisocial, downvote and comment.” No. “Antisocial” here is really name-calling. [Don't do that](http://unix.stackexchange.com/help/be-nice)." CreationDate="2016-07-31T22:29:59.143" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="6874" PostId="4123" Score="0" Text="Note that in this case, the asker has not stated any intention to break any law or rule. This is purely an inference on Kusalananda's part." CreationDate="2016-07-31T22:30:07.190" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="6875" PostId="4123" Score="0" Text="@Gilles, a fair point, but I followed my own advice and answered the *general* question rather than looking very particularly into the specific case cited.  :)" CreationDate="2016-08-01T01:27:07.840" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="6876" PostId="4123" Score="1" Text="@Gilles It _is_ an inference on my part and possibly even unfairly so. I'm quite ok with being proved wrong. I have difficulties unplugging my ethical conscience though, as it is clear that we have someone that at least wants to violate the _wishes_ of the administrator of this shared resource (although he might not be breaking a written rule or agreement). It is clear that this is my private issue though, so I can do nothing else but thank you for your input." CreationDate="2016-08-01T06:07:25.120" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="6877" PostId="4126" Score="5" Text="I really hope I'm not &quot;flinging accusations around&quot;! To make it clear: I have _definitely not called the person in this particular question antisocial_. The word &quot;antisocial&quot; was used in the _generalisation_ of my question here. I'll be taking your advice and &quot;just move on&quot;, at least in relation to the specific question." CreationDate="2016-08-01T06:20:28.780" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="6879" PostId="4129" Score="0" Text="The tag [tag:auditd] as currently used is specific to Linux's audit subsystem. Is that the same thing as “Linux Audit” or not? I don't understand the distinction you make between Linux's `auditd` and “Linux Audit” (except that of course the daemon is only one part of the audit subsystem, there are also parts in the kernel, `auditctl`, etc.)" CreationDate="2016-08-02T12:09:17.973" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="6880" PostId="4129" Score="0" Text="@Gilles `auditd` is a daemon in the Linux Audit _framework_ (apart from that there is an auditd daemon on BSD systems the implementation and the interface of which has little to do with its Linux counterpart). In fact, auditd is only a part of the [audit-userspace](https://github.com/linux-audit) that Linux Audit offers. I guess that people often use the `auditd` tag because there is no better tag. I am not sure if I answered your question though." CreationDate="2016-08-02T12:19:06.870" UserId="128489" />
  <row Id="6881" PostId="4129" Score="1" Text="Your comment does answer my question. Yes, people have been using the [tag:auditd] tag to cover the whole Linux Audit framework. And I don't think we need a tag specifically about the daemon — in fact if anything most questions are about configuring the kernel facility via `auditctl` and interpreting the logs, the daemon is just an intermediary. So we should merge [tag:auditd] into [tag:linux-audit]." CreationDate="2016-08-02T12:26:10.750" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="6882" PostId="4129" Score="0" Text="@Gilles I updated the proposal." CreationDate="2016-08-02T12:34:16.597" UserId="128489" />
  <row Id="6883" PostId="4132" Score="1" Text="`echo rm -rf &quot;$directory&quot;` in non-trivial loops is a good practice I'm already adhering to (even for myself)." CreationDate="2016-08-03T06:09:22.947" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="6884" PostId="4131" Score="0" Text="Auditing on Linux doesn't necessarily mean using the Linux Audit framework. It depends *what* you're auditing. System calls aren't always the right level. So the concept tag really can't be used as half of a tool tag." CreationDate="2016-08-03T07:38:44.110" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="6885" PostId="4131" Score="1" Text="Moreover, even the Linux Audit tend to differ a little bit between GNU/Linux distros which can possible result in tags like `debian-linux-audit`, `centos-linux-audit` and so on. I don't think this is the right approach especially that there seem to be only around 100 questions on auditing. Apart from that, the standard for *BSD and Solaris is BSM, although the implementation and available auditing tools might differ which makes the classification process even more cumbersome." CreationDate="2016-08-03T12:26:03.917" UserId="128489" />
  <row Id="6889" PostId="4122" Score="0" Text="As far as I know, the Stack Exchange network does not enforce other's policies. I'm not sure social/antisocial have anything to do with it. Off-topic, many corporate policies are unreasonable or pathological because a company is not a natural person and it does not have a moral compass. There's no literature indicating a company has the attributes of a natural person; but there is research indicating companies are psychopaths in the psychology journals. I think its better to be antisocial rather than being a psychopath." CreationDate="2016-08-08T03:14:54.150" UserDisplayName="user56041" />
  <row Id="6890" PostId="4122" Score="2" Text="@jww Psychopathy is characterized by antisocial behaviour, but that's a side note. I'm not asking about how SE or anyone may enforce policies. I'm asking &quot;what's the course of action when someone (and I should have added _seems to_) wants help with breaking a local rule&quot;, i.e. &quot;how do *I* behave in accordance with SE / U&amp;L rules in circumstances where I interpret someone else's behaviour as going against what I considered good conduct&quot;. The general consensus is to either ignore them or to help them." CreationDate="2016-08-08T06:47:34.243" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="6891" PostId="2930" Score="0" Text="On GNU systems at least, you can do `LANGUAGE=en` instead to only override the language of messages and not all the other aspects of localisation (strftime month/day names would still be in the user's language). `LANGUAGE` takes precedence over `LC_ALL` (except for `LC_ALL=C` or `LC_ALL=POSIX`)." CreationDate="2016-08-08T11:52:40.640" UserId="22565" />
  <row Id="6892" PostId="4133" Score="3" Text="Commercial software EULAs usually disclaim warranty too (within the limits allowed by whichever laws apply), there's not much difference there between proprietary and free software. As far as support goes, some Linux distributions do come with a support contract. Nitpick: NetBSD has nothing to do with Novell ;-)." CreationDate="2016-08-09T08:38:56.893" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="6893" PostId="4133" Score="0" Text="NetBSD is ran by the [NetBSD Foundation](https://www.netbsd.org/foundation/), a non-profit, and yeah, Red Hat will likely be happy to sell support for their system. But does this distinction matter for SE? If the developers give any warranty or accept responsibility for their system is surely distinct from whether some third party, like a user of SE does for their advice?" CreationDate="2016-08-09T13:33:44.683" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="6894" PostId="4133" Score="0" Text="Thanks guys for the NetBSD, I never used it so I'm clueless on that.  Yet, I extended the discussion with a trademark infringement possibility scenario.  Contrary to typical linux/*BSD distros, places like IBM or Oracle would not hesitate to throw their army of lawyers at such a user just to make sure he gets the blame.  (Mostly to ensure that they do not get the blame)" CreationDate="2016-08-10T02:35:01.190" UserId="172635" />
  <row Id="6895" PostId="4122" Score="3" Text="If he says &quot;we're not supposed to X&quot; then I'm certainly not going to help him do it on a computer he doesn't own, especially when he apparently doesn't want the admin to know he's doing it.  Nor would I recommend that anyone else help.  Though my SE experience tells me somebody is going to." CreationDate="2016-08-10T03:22:23.750" UserId="183937" />
  <row Id="6896" PostId="4136" Score="3" Text="[su] is the Windows community if there's one. It accepts everything, so if it's a truly cross-platform issue, then it would be the best place. But if you can't touch the Windows server, and you can only deal with the Mac, and that can belong here or on [apple.se]." CreationDate="2016-08-10T03:49:37.417" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="6897" PostId="4137" Score="0" Text="I'm one of the people who's digging up this older stuff. I have a SEDE query that's helping me find Q's that were either answered in comments or are possible candidates for closure, in order to clean the site up a little." CreationDate="2016-08-10T15:07:49.517" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="6898" PostId="4137" Score="0" Text="First of all thanks for the good work. I still hope we might get something along the lines we have when there is a new answer to an old question. In this case something like: &quot;You are reviewing an old question now considered for closing&quot; based on e.g posts older than a year." CreationDate="2016-08-10T15:12:01.913" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="6899" PostId="4137" Score="0" Text="Since I'm partly responsible for this, I'd like to make it easier everyone. If I put some sort of comment on the VTC'd post, would it help? You may still have to click to expand the comments, but then it would be more immediately obvious that it was an old post." CreationDate="2016-08-10T15:29:00.450" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="6900" PostId="4137" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller I don't think that helps much. As you indicate, it might not be seen without unfolding. I'll keep my glasses at hand." CreationDate="2016-08-10T18:09:59.350" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="6901" PostId="4133" Score="1" Text="I don't understand your distinction between 1 and 2, at least not worded in these terms. Oracle, HP, RedHat, Suse etc. have enterprise supported Linux-based systems, you can get free no-warranty Solaris. Not to mention Apple's BSD based systems and supported BSD or Linux based systems bundled with hardware." CreationDate="2016-08-10T20:39:03.187" UserId="22565" />
  <row Id="6902" PostId="4133" Score="0" Text="@StéphaneChazelas - I'm mostly concerned with `IBM` (`AIX`) and `HP` in point 1.  Their systems are completely theirs and their EULAs are very different from what most *nix users are used to.  For example, IBM and HP-UX aims to sell their UNIX systems to customers that **want** warranty and responsibility for the system from IBM (mostly banks and oil companies).  Their kernels are different, not based on Linux or BSD 4.4 in any way (based on earlier BSDs to some extent though)." CreationDate="2016-08-10T21:28:26.173" UserId="172635" />
  <row Id="6903" PostId="4139" Score="5" Text="Unused tags are [automatically deleted](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/71123/i-accidentally-created-a-tag-how-do-i-delete-it), so I think you've done everything you need to do" CreationDate="2016-08-10T23:14:01.803" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="6904" PostId="4140" Score="2" Text="100,000? Of course not, that's not even a nice round number. The 131,072nd though should win one whole Internets." CreationDate="2016-08-11T06:27:18.567" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="6905" PostId="4140" Score="0" Text="I'm serious. Isn't it a festive moment?" CreationDate="2016-08-11T06:45:30.357" UserDisplayName="user147505" />
  <row Id="6906" PostId="4141" Score="0" Text="Ok, you convinced me." CreationDate="2016-08-11T07:23:22.997" UserDisplayName="user147505" />
  <row Id="6907" PostId="4138" Score="1" Text="Yes, the terms of the site protects _it_, but they don't protect _us_. In fact, they explicitly say that the responsibility for the content lies with the user who posted it. So if you post an answer with an undetected bug, or with a weird side-effect, the responsibility is _yours_." CreationDate="2016-08-11T10:50:15.110" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="6908" PostId="4140" Score="1" Text="There was a party in chat for Stack Overflow's millionth question; I think everyone got a t-shirt, maybe? I can't remember, but I remember Jeff recording who was there and giving them something. Not a site badge though. And the millionth question ended up just being a post about being the millionth question because people raced to get it, and that was with no incentive to do so" CreationDate="2016-08-11T14:56:13.467" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="6909" PostId="4138" Score="3" Text="That is actually a bad idea to responsibilize someone considering that even the biggest corporations always refuse any kind of responsibility.  Everyone can make mistakes or be misunderstood." CreationDate="2016-08-11T16:09:14.693" UserId="167583" />
  <row Id="6910" PostId="4142" Score="0" Text="Interesting. I'm going to look at this but first need to figure out how to splice in a user defined stylesheet." CreationDate="2016-08-11T17:45:34.653" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="6911" PostId="4142" Score="0" Text="@Anthon I use Stylish, which is available for both Firefox and Chrome." CreationDate="2016-08-11T17:52:25.753" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="6912" PostId="4132" Score="0" Text="@Kusalananda This exact code is horrible practice. If you want to display commands that are getting run, use `set -x` instead of something that *will* become inaccurate over time as people update the code that gets executed but not the message that gets displayed. If you want to prompt the user, 1. don't do that, 2. don't do that, 3. write English and not code." CreationDate="2016-08-12T15:43:13.183" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="6913" PostId="4132" Score="1" Text="@Gilles The idea was to prevent the `rm` from running at all, and instead use `echo` to display what should have happened. After running it once or twice with `echo` (to make sure `rm` would do the right thing), one would remove it and have `rm` actually do its thing. Is this bad practice?" CreationDate="2016-08-12T15:48:34.690" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="6914" PostId="4132" Score="1" Text="The &quot;run-with-echo, confirm results, edit-out-echo, then execute&quot; cycle is what *I* was referring to." CreationDate="2016-08-12T15:51:07.577" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="6915" PostId="4132" Score="1" Text="@Kusalananda It's usually bad practice, yes, due to confirmation fatigue. Asking yes/no questions is not good as a safety feature because people soon switch to “yes, sure, of course” mode. The best safety feature is being able to undo the action. When this isn't possible, only confirm things that are both important and unexpected — and work what you're going to confirm into the confirmation. If the purpose of the script is to delete that one directory, don't ask “do you really want to delete [name of the directory that was passed as a parameter to the script]”." CreationDate="2016-08-12T15:57:05.820" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="6916" PostId="4132" Score="1" Text="@Gilles I agree with everything you're saying, but this was meant for visual inspection, a sort of dry-run, not for providing interactive confirmation. This comment thread is a bit of a side-track. All I wanted to say was that I also think that the &quot;dry-run-with-echo, confirm result, execute&quot; cycle that Jeff alluded to was a good idea." CreationDate="2016-08-12T16:15:50.683" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="6917" PostId="4145" Score="0" Text="Thank you for your answer. I've read the [Help Center advices](http://unix.stackexchange.com/help/closed-questions) about &quot;closed&quot; questions. Roughly there are two invoked issues: &quot;more information&quot; and &quot;more specific&quot;. The first is improbable -- since I've provided much information about the behavior. The second I've addressed on my edit after being put &quot;on-hold&quot;. I've changed also the title to become _very_ specific. The Firefox issue in the beginning is a symptom... as well as the inconsistent RAM measurement. I'm not sure if repeating the title at the end would change specificity." CreationDate="2016-08-15T15:14:42.397" UserId="58310" />
  <row Id="6918" PostId="4145" Score="0" Text="@alex You need to make the question specific. Do you want to *alter* the RAM problems? I assume you mean *fix*, by the way, not *alter*. You should also include the screenshots in your post, that would help clarify. In any case, your title is about RAM issues, then the only symptom you describe in the body is about firefox and the RAM issue is only on off site screenshots. It really isn't easy to understand what you're asking. To tell you the truth, I still don't know." CreationDate="2016-08-15T15:17:48.517" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6919" PostId="4145" Score="0" Text="Thank you for your advice. I will change &quot;alter&quot; with &quot;fix&quot;. There are screenshots under &quot;oddity&quot; you find [this](http://www.ultraimg.com/image/1geB). To cut it short: My impression is that this issue could be solved more effectively by commenting below the question -- rather then putting me (harshly) &quot;on-hold&quot;. The displayed reaction of at least the first of the moderators was imprecise. On the other hand -- after editing -- I've commented my post asking for feedback regarding the quality of the changes. This was ignored -- becoming &quot;closed&quot;." CreationDate="2016-08-15T15:31:07.740" UserId="58310" />
  <row Id="6920" PostId="4145" Score="4" Text="@alex just for clarification: i) none of the users who voted to close were moderators (those have a ♦ after their name, like I do) ii) when a question is put on hold, it is only so the asker can improve it. If the question is not reopened, &quot;on hold&quot; automatically changes to &quot;closed&quot;. There was no further human intervention. Each time you edit your closed question, it will automatically be placed in the reopen queue where users can vote to reopen it. Just try and make it as clear as possible." CreationDate="2016-08-15T15:45:49.960" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6921" PostId="4145" Score="0" Text="Thank you (I mean it sincerely). I'm also aware that you are sincerely trying to help me. So -- since we are on meta -- the solution of the question could be how to systematically increase the quality of the questions and/or feedback process. You answered me and I wrote you why I'm inclined to think that my question specificity is not as much of a reason. Maybe there are also other opinions (therefore I've made no edits on the original post after posting this issue), maybe they are not. While waiting 4 answers, I commented your answer in order to be polite and read more opinions." CreationDate="2016-08-15T16:08:40.440" UserId="58310" />
  <row Id="6922" PostId="1318" Score="0" Text="According to Sun, SunOS was the kernel, while Solaris was the whole system." CreationDate="2016-08-18T14:22:33.127" UserId="28487" />
  <row Id="6923" PostId="536" Score="1" Text="@g.rocket: Thanks for finding the current location of the image. The edit button was greyed out for you because you aren't allowed to *suggest* edits on Meta sites; you can edit a post only if you wrote it or if you have editing privileges (rep≥2000). I took care of it." CreationDate="2016-08-20T07:02:34.417" UserId="23408" />
  <row Id="6924" PostId="4148" Score="0" Text="Maybe just merging would be enough." CreationDate="2016-08-22T15:38:04.660" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="6925" PostId="4148" Score="0" Text="saving [this search](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/jobs+-background-process+-batch-jobs+-job-control) to work through..." CreationDate="2016-08-25T02:03:38.207" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="6926" PostId="4151" Score="0" Text="OK, the &quot;not wanting to maintain&quot; argument is a very good point. Thanks for that. I usually told the person answering in comments to create an answer that I'd accept, etc. giving them the chance to receive the rep they deserved. But being put like that is fine." CreationDate="2016-08-25T09:42:05.567" UserId="1290" />
  <row Id="6927" PostId="4151" Score="0" Text="@polemon so do I, and there's nothing wrong with that. There's just also nothing wrong with doing it yourself. The objective here is to have great answers and comments don't help." CreationDate="2016-08-25T09:46:52.887" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6928" PostId="4151" Score="4" Text="I have a data.sx query that I sometimes work through to find questions that might have been answered in the comments. I'll sometimes post such answers as community wiki (I don't care that much about fake internet points, but like to see the mission of the site executed), but minimally refer back to the user &amp; comment as the source of the information." CreationDate="2016-08-25T10:54:54.277" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="6929" PostId="4152" Score="10" Text="Downvoting is the correct response." CreationDate="2016-08-28T23:14:33.927" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="6930" PostId="4148" Score="0" Text="just for bragging points: i suggested that synonym months ago. i didn't care to make a meta post though. so maybe no one saw that synonym suggestion. http://unix.stackexchange.com/tags/job-control/synonyms" CreationDate="2016-08-29T09:45:22.783" UserId="1170" />
  <row Id="6931" PostId="4152" Score="3" Text="Yes downvoting is what you're suppose to do and also leaving a comment to that effect." CreationDate="2016-08-29T18:15:34.107" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="6932" PostId="4151" Score="4" Text="They *can* be voted for (but not against - which may partly explain their existence (fear of downvoting)) ." CreationDate="2016-08-30T10:35:45.843" UserId="8284" />
  <row Id="6934" PostId="4150" Score="4" Text="Okay, you might want to go to the washroom and get a coffee, because I'm going to lay out a complex plan for attacking this problem, entirely contained within no fewer than 42 comment (most of which strain at the maximum length) following which I will continue the discussion in chat." CreationDate="2016-09-02T04:17:28.920" UserId="16369" />
  <row Id="6935" PostId="4150" Score="0" Text="http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/251597/question-with-no-answers-but-issue-solved-in-the-comments." CreationDate="2016-09-02T22:18:07.390" UserId="187973" />
  <row Id="6936" PostId="4152" Score="6" Text="@john no it won't and please don't do that! Mod flags should only be used for things that require mod intervention. Unhelpful answers should just be downvoted." CreationDate="2016-09-03T17:12:51.297" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6937" PostId="4155" Score="1" Text="The ayes have it: the reason that garners the most votes is the one that is published (in cases where more than one was selected by the voters)." CreationDate="2016-09-05T00:40:41.297" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="6938" PostId="4156" Score="2" Text="The 2-2-1 spread of votes is another way of getting a tie :-)  But I get the point." CreationDate="2016-09-05T12:05:11.203" UserId="168757" />
  <row Id="6939" PostId="4156" Score="1" Text="@StephenHarris d'oh! Indeed :)" CreationDate="2016-09-05T12:51:50.487" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6940" PostId="4156" Score="2" Text="Ties are resolved in favor of the last vote (that was cast for one of the plurality reasons)." CreationDate="2016-09-05T21:53:22.313" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="6941" PostId="4156" Score="0" Text="@Giles Thanks; I think I understand the determinism now.  It's still saying something I didn't, but I understand the logic :-)" CreationDate="2016-09-05T23:19:52.263" UserId="168757" />
  <row Id="6942" PostId="4151" Score="1" Text="There might be another reason people don't post the answer, although fear of downvoting may be one - a lot of people seem to be quick to downvote anyone who isn't a guru.  But sometimes a rank beginner has a fairly easy problem, and I know most of the answer, but don't want to take the chance that this person will ask for too much help instead of doing a little research. I may want to post a comment with enough info to get him started, but I don't want to get too tied up doing research to post a complete and well-done answer." CreationDate="2016-09-06T01:38:51.457" UserId="17627" />
  <row Id="6943" PostId="4152" Score="0" Text="@terdon, but if it's *actually* not an answer to the question asked, it could be flagged as &quot;not an answer.&quot;" CreationDate="2016-09-08T20:40:27.740" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="6944" PostId="4152" Score="0" Text="@Wildcard yes, but not a custom mod flag to let us know the user put no effort into their answer." CreationDate="2016-09-08T22:04:54.390" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6945" PostId="3644" Score="0" Text="You can use the three first characters: &quot;Cir&quot;. You're welcome. You can also use &quot;CiroSantilli&quot; for the maximum extent possible." CreationDate="2016-09-09T07:55:14.567" UserId="81848" />
  <row Id="6948" PostId="3684" Score="0" Text="I think *favs* can still be developed." CreationDate="2016-09-09T09:22:30.327" UserId="81848" />
  <row Id="6950" PostId="4158" Score="1" Text="As an AU mod, I should point out that such messages are not welcome there either. Yes, many users post them, but that'e usually because they're new to SE and don't know such things are implied here. Please don't add this sort of message to your AU questions either." CreationDate="2016-09-09T09:27:12.683" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6951" PostId="4158" Score="0" Text="@terdon Actually, I have seen &gt;2k rep users doing that, although my memories are blurry. Oh, you should call yourself a N*X mod." CreationDate="2016-09-09T09:28:30.663" UserId="81848" />
  <row Id="6952" PostId="4159" Score="0" Text="I mean, should I fav my question to show appreciation or something? Because I don't think I can upvote anything to show appreciation *before* anyone answers." CreationDate="2016-09-09T09:29:30.077" UserId="81848" />
  <row Id="6953" PostId="4158" Score="1" Text="I'm sure you have. They're still wrong. Sadly even users who've been around for a while make mistakes. Here are a few relevant discussions (although, if you want to discuss this further, let's move it to AU's meta instead): [Have I got this right -- no explicit 'thank you' wanted?](http://meta.askubuntu.com/q/11884) [Am I allowed to say thanks?](http://meta.askubuntu.com/q/2260) [How much editing is fine? Removing hi, thanks etc.](http://meta.askubuntu.com/q/993)" CreationDate="2016-09-09T09:34:54.500" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6954" PostId="4159" Score="0" Text="How could you show appreciation before anyone answers? You don't have anything to be appreciative of yet! :) And no, don't fav your question (I don't think that's even possible). Just *ask*. By asking you are already giving to the site. Good questions are just as important as good answers. That's why others will upvote you to show how *they* appreciate *your* question." CreationDate="2016-09-09T09:36:27.133" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6955" PostId="4159" Score="0" Text="It *is* possible, and I have done it many times, so this might be a bug :( Just so you know. Favs can't even be locked, locks can't prevent fav'ing a question. Your answer has been alerady accepted and upvoted." CreationDate="2016-09-09T09:38:04.053" UserId="81848" />
  <row Id="6956" PostId="4159" Score="0" Text="@ΈρικΚωνσταντόπουλος huh, so it is. I guess it might help you find it when you have many. Probably not a bug." CreationDate="2016-09-09T10:58:46.967" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6957" PostId="4157" Score="1" Text="Interesting thread; I think the &quot;I didn't say that&quot; position has been adequately expressed :-)" CreationDate="2016-09-10T01:49:39.470" UserId="168757" />
  <row Id="6958" PostId="4164" Score="0" Text="I agree that it needs a reference. We do not know if it is a random name or not. In fact, I'd be satisfied with an answer which says that people sometimes use _snarf_ for copying in English speaking countries (like a rarely used slang synonym). Nevertheless, as we can see in [the thread about dd (link)](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/6804/what-does-dd-stand-for) people come up with 3 different _legit_ stories. And apparently **the community likes it**." CreationDate="2016-09-10T09:56:45.030" UserId="128489" />
  <row Id="6959" PostId="4164" Score="0" Text="So, if anything, should _that_ be marked as opinion-based... Except that the answers there contain historical references, not opinions of the answerers themselves. Even if the explanation in that case seems to have gotten a bit fuzzy over time." CreationDate="2016-09-10T10:02:21.923" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="6960" PostId="4164" Score="0" Text="And I am looking for such references as well. Actually, the real problem is not my question being opinion-based; the problem is that it might be too specific for U&amp;L SE (so maybe I should just ask on the 9fans mailing list)." CreationDate="2016-09-10T10:17:24.520" UserId="128489" />
  <row Id="6961" PostId="4164" Score="1" Text="@MateuszPiotrowski you could also submit it as a sample question on the [Computing history Area 51 proposal](http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/92421/computing-history)... (But yes, asking on 9fans is more likely to get you an appropriate answer.)" CreationDate="2016-09-12T07:26:29.990" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="6962" PostId="4164" Score="0" Text="@StephenKitt I've sent an email to 9fans: http://mail.9fans.net/private/9fans/2016-September/035426.html. Additionally, I think that I've figured out the answer: http://unix.stackexchange.com/a/309350/128489" CreationDate="2016-09-12T10:22:36.883" UserId="128489" />
  <row Id="6963" PostId="4165" Score="0" Text="Why would you delete?" CreationDate="2016-09-12T11:25:46.167" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6964" PostId="4165" Score="0" Text="@terdon to not clutter the site, was my reasoning. Also, I cannot rule out that my thinking of &quot;let's leave it and see&quot; is just a result of &quot;don't delete my question, it's mine, so it's surely useful&quot; bias. :-)" CreationDate="2016-09-12T12:12:24.767" UserId="65176" />
  <row Id="6965" PostId="4165" Score="4" Text="Sure, and thanks for asking! Just think of duplicates as sign posts showing the way to the answer. The next user with the same problem might find your question first (depending on how they search) so having it around can help us direct this user to the answer." CreationDate="2016-09-12T12:16:35.013" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6966" PostId="2564" Score="0" Text="a mix of tux and the church of the SubGenius? praise Bob!" CreationDate="2016-09-14T16:45:37.053" UserId="27616" />
  <row Id="6967" PostId="4159" Score="0" Text="Sorry, (this sorry will be removed) This is the ridiculous  (ridiculous removed) thing that i ever see in all my life (all this will be removed). We are trying(trying removed) to make computers to be more like humans, this is ok, but it is ridiculous(ridiculous removed) to make humans to look like computers." CreationDate="2016-09-16T13:12:11.007" UserId="170792" />
  <row Id="6968" PostId="3883" Score="0" Text="&quot;Tagline to show on mouseover.&quot;  Maybe that can be edited?  :)" CreationDate="2016-09-17T08:21:16.593" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="6969" PostId="3883" Score="0" Text="@Wildcard just tried; you can suggest." CreationDate="2016-09-18T07:23:33.527" UserId="66803" />
  <row Id="6970" PostId="4167" Score="1" Text="There weren't any moderators involved with the closing or reopening of that question, but five regular users each, so I'm not sure what you refer to with &quot;snap-closing&quot;." CreationDate="2016-09-19T16:20:21.460" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="6971" PostId="3877" Score="0" Text="The corners seem off." CreationDate="2016-09-20T16:15:53.567" UserId="81848" />
  <row Id="6972" PostId="3877" Score="0" Text="@ΈρικΚωνσταντόπουλος Probably something went wrong when I tried to resize it. Unfortunately that's as far as my skills go, but if you can help, I got it originally from here: http://meta.vi.stackexchange.com/a/1299/205 (Github link available)" CreationDate="2016-09-20T16:19:27.317" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="6973" PostId="4168" Score="0" Text="Copied from [Community Promotion Ads - 2015](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/a/3408)." CreationDate="2016-09-20T21:31:27.937" UserId="9454" />
  <row Id="6974" PostId="3877" Score="0" Text="No, I mean that the corners of the diamond shape in the middle seem to be *too off*." CreationDate="2016-09-21T10:02:07.277" UserId="81848" />
  <row Id="6975" PostId="4170" Score="0" Text="Related: [Low quality posts from high rep users](/q/3122). (sorry for generating so much traffic on meta ;-))" CreationDate="2016-09-21T14:24:05.370" UserId="22565" />
  <row Id="6976" PostId="4171" Score="0" Text="I agree on this, your right. Just wanted to clarify this.&#xA;It's just.. I have the feeling that on superuser are a lot of people asking everything, things that are even idk, not technical at all. Just take a look at this masterpiece. Second question on the active page.http://superuser.com/questions/1126747/csgo-frame-drops&#xA;&#xA;I have the feeling that many experts stopped checking/using the site, (not considering myself an expert just a kid, who wants to know how the world works) duo to such posts that are literally flooding the frontpage." CreationDate="2016-09-21T14:59:47.143" UserId="181999" />
  <row Id="6977" PostId="4174" Score="0" Text="Wow! Thanks didn't know you could search like this, I always used google^^ Well, I guess :a gives answers? Is there like a list somewhere about the search features? I am kinda new to the network and Don't know anything, thanks for the answer!" CreationDate="2016-09-23T12:34:33.313" UserId="181999" />
  <row Id="6978" PostId="4174" Score="1" Text="Once you've gotten into a [search](http://superuser.com/search), click on &quot;Advanced Search Tips&quot;.  Or see [the Help Center](http://superuser.com/help/searching), or browse [meta questions about the search capability](//meta.superuser.com/tags/search/hot)." CreationDate="2016-09-24T00:01:02.180" UserId="23408" />
  <row Id="6979" PostId="4175" Score="4" Text="You might want to include a screenshot of what you see. I can clearly tell the difference between the `,` and `.` looking at your question." CreationDate="2016-09-25T10:07:47.693" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6980" PostId="4176" Score="4" Text="Bear in mind that [networkengineering.se] will be considerably more knowledgeable on the various wireless communication protocols than your average U&amp;L user. Whether we like it or not, the term 'WiFi' has become synonymous with 'wireless networking'. Yes, that's not strictly speaking correct, but be that as it may, that's how it's used." CreationDate="2016-09-25T10:10:30.493" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6981" PostId="4176" Score="0" Text="It may be too late then." CreationDate="2016-09-25T10:48:19.940" UserDisplayName="user147505" />
  <row Id="6982" PostId="4166" Score="0" Text="Why delete? Because I don't like getting down-votes" CreationDate="2016-09-26T00:49:09.487" UserId="191416" />
  <row Id="6983" PostId="4178" Score="6" Text="I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because this is not a question." CreationDate="2016-09-26T08:55:35.177" UserId="68757" />
  <row Id="6984" PostId="4178" Score="0" Text="By that token we should roll all the tech sites back into the original trilogy." CreationDate="2016-09-26T09:24:06.103" UserId="27961" />
  <row Id="6986" PostId="4175" Score="0" Text="The difference does look really slight, esp. on my not-top-class laptop screen. I can tell the difference here, but it might be because I know what should be there." CreationDate="2016-09-26T11:46:00.673" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="6988" PostId="4166" Score="0" Text="@Jodes and why would you get downvotes? You have exactly one question on the site and, while it has indeed been closed as a dupe, it has no downvotes and even has an upvote." CreationDate="2016-09-27T07:36:07.617" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6989" PostId="4175" Score="1" Text="I can't see the difference on my 1366x768px laptop unless I zoom to 500%, and on my 1920x1680 monitor, the difference is still tiny at 150%." CreationDate="2016-09-27T12:27:03.557" UserId="136107" />
  <row Id="6990" PostId="4183" Score="0" Text="Scaling up one-character strings would be a nice solution, especially if it works with letters and numbers as well." CreationDate="2016-09-27T17:27:56.777" UserId="6093" />
  <row Id="6991" PostId="4166" Score="0" Text="Firstly, who's to say it doesn't apply to others? Secondly, I am on other SE sites and know how prolific down-vote trolls are. I'm not having a go at your answer (that would be ridiculously ironic) but just trying to highlight the awkwardness of the reality" CreationDate="2016-09-27T17:40:11.600" UserId="191416" />
  <row Id="6992" PostId="4185" Score="1" Text="I like this; perhaps alpine could be a synonym to alpine-mail? Having alpine-linux makes it similar to our other Linux distribution tags. I can only hope that askers would read the tag excerpts." CreationDate="2016-09-27T18:08:11.573" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="6993" PostId="4166" Score="0" Text="@Jodes Fair enough, sorry I thought you were referring to something specific. Bear in mind though that, unlike so, this community doesn't often down vote dupes. Not unless it's such a blatant dupe that a ten second search would have found it anyway." CreationDate="2016-09-27T18:48:08.833" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="6994" PostId="4183" Score="0" Text="I've *sorta* fixed it with this CSS: `kbd {margin: 0 .1em; padding: 0px .6em; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 15px;}`. Sadly, there aren't many ways to style a single character. SE would have to rely on external libraries (http://letteringjs.com/ for example) or do something quite hacky, such as using `data-*` attributes with the content, and styling only the keys with a few elements." CreationDate="2016-09-27T22:52:09.483" UserId="133591" />
  <row Id="6995" PostId="4166" Score="0" Text="No, I should apologise, I was confrontational. True - it happen on more sites than just SO in my experience, although it is one of the worst. I'm firmly in the camp of thinking that the SE system is quite broken and needs tweaking" CreationDate="2016-09-28T02:50:23.313" UserId="191416" />
  <row Id="6996" PostId="4175" Score="1" Text="How about if we use another font instead..." CreationDate="2016-09-28T14:00:42.340" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="6997" PostId="4178" Score="0" Text="Same goes for apple's OS/X one, raspbian, android... all Unix-like or Linux-based. Not to mention opensource, serverfault, web admin or typically unix software like tex/vim/emacs... There's a lot of overlap between the sites. Maybe what SE means it a concept equivalent to usenet cross-posts." CreationDate="2016-09-28T14:18:20.703" UserId="22565" />
  <row Id="6998" PostId="4183" Score="0" Text="How does this work with other characters, or with multiple characters (like your `alt`, for example)?" CreationDate="2016-09-28T14:46:09.387" UserId="2465" />
  <row Id="6999" PostId="4183" Score="0" Text="It wouldn't work with multiple characters. I'm suggesting that if we want the keys to look *good*, the markdown processor needs to do something a lot smarter than just pass through kbd tags into the HTML output. It could potentially use a lookup table to find the best rendering method for each single character." CreationDate="2016-09-28T15:03:09.853" UserDisplayName="user41515" />
  <row Id="7000" PostId="4173" Score="1" Text="That I did. :-) I wanted to highlight why the linked question didn't work for me (what caused me to disregard it) and figured perhaps others will have similar problem so marked it up in a comment. Thank you for verifying that that was a good idea on my part. &lt;bows&gt;" CreationDate="2016-09-30T08:30:19.513" UserId="65176" />
  <row Id="7001" PostId="4183" Score="0" Text="@WumpusQ.Wumbley `kbd[data-key=&quot;,&quot;]{}`? Then the CSS could do the hard work, and the markdown would only require a special case for the quotes (i.e. use the other type of quote around it)." CreationDate="2016-10-01T12:37:43.217" UserId="129690" />
  <row Id="7002" PostId="4175" Score="0" Text="This probably applies to more sites than just Unix. Maybe this belongs on [meta.se]?" CreationDate="2016-10-04T18:23:38.763" UserId="8503" />
  <row Id="7003" PostId="4194" Score="0" Text="If I've missed any tags, please let me know so I can add them." CreationDate="2016-10-08T17:52:27.100" UserId="129690" />
  <row Id="7004" PostId="4194" Score="0" Text="The answers to this question are stubs. They currently exist mostly to be something people can vote on, but if you have any good arguments for a point please edit them in." CreationDate="2016-10-08T17:53:36.490" UserId="129690" />
  <row Id="7005" PostId="4197" Score="1" Text="if &quot;linux&quot; is ambigous I'd rather use or re-tag as ubuntu, redhat, suse, whateverux ..." CreationDate="2016-10-11T13:05:24.980" UserId="79818" />
  <row Id="7006" PostId="4197" Score="4" Text="@Archemar Why would you re-tag as [tag:ubuntu] or [tag:redhat]? Afaik those tags are for questions specific to those distributions, not questions about the GNU software talking to other GNU software (which admittedly is what most (~20-30%) of the questions here are about!)" CreationDate="2016-10-11T22:04:44.693" UserId="129690" />
  <row Id="7007" PostId="4205" Score="3" Text="Oh, I get it now.  Notably the 2nd part about the subtle difference in *&quot;how to use the C API&quot;* and *&quot;how do i use C to perform A whilst using the Linux API&quot;*." CreationDate="2016-10-13T12:06:02.547" UserId="172635" />
  <row Id="7008" PostId="4196" Score="0" Text="Agreed, it's ambiguous but not wrong. And it's clarified by use of &quot;operating system&quot; in the paragraph." CreationDate="2016-10-15T10:43:07.167" UserId="88526" />
  <row Id="7009" PostId="4196" Score="2" Text="@loa_in_ It isn't clarified by the use of &quot;operating system&quot; *everywhere*. For example, the [tag:linux] excerpt." CreationDate="2016-10-15T13:25:57.617" UserId="129690" />
  <row Id="7010" PostId="3939" Score="0" Text="Is there a way to get this suggestion revisited, such that updates would appear in one's &quot;mailbox&quot;?" CreationDate="2016-10-17T21:19:16.573" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="7011" PostId="4205" Score="0" Text="I am in a similar situation as @grochmal, I simply lack some routine. I find the label &quot;Off-topic&quot; for trival questions a bit misleading. I think I need to get used to it." CreationDate="2016-10-19T09:46:45.147" UserId="64248" />
  <row Id="7012" PostId="4205" Score="0" Text="@countermode what do you mean? Whether a question is on topic or not has nothing to do with whether it is trivial. &quot;How can I set a variable to an integer in C&quot; is trivial but also completely off topic." CreationDate="2016-10-19T10:25:44.673" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7013" PostId="4205" Score="0" Text="This was not related to this specific case. It was related to &quot;Off Topic -&gt; Not Reproducible&quot; which includes trivial stuff like mis-spelling commands and the like." CreationDate="2016-10-19T10:51:13.227" UserId="64248" />
  <row Id="7014" PostId="4205" Score="5" Text="@countermode well, the rationale there is that if I ask &quot;why does `echoo foo` fail?&quot;, that is very unlikely to ever help anyone else since the issue is so obviously a typo, so closing such questions is better for the site. Keeping questions that aren't likely to help future visitors just clutters up the site with noise while not providing anything useful. Hence, off topic." CreationDate="2016-10-19T11:01:32.273" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7015" PostId="4205" Score="0" Text="As I said, I need more routine end experience, although I get along pretty well already." CreationDate="2016-10-19T11:04:52.013" UserId="64248" />
  <row Id="7016" PostId="4206" Score="5" Text="Vote to Close as Off-Topic. Use the custom field and let them know that the entire point of homework is that the student is the one making an effort, not this community." CreationDate="2016-10-22T05:48:38.960" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="7017" PostId="4207" Score="5" Text="This has been discussed numerous times on the SE site. See this thread: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/135/encouraging-people-to-explain-downvotes or this thread for how you should react: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/121350/ive-just-been-downvoted-how-should-i-react.." CreationDate="2016-10-22T22:40:18.743" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="7018" PostId="4207" Score="0" Text="Don't forget to hit our tour page for an Informed badge, too! Welcome to the site!" CreationDate="2016-10-22T22:41:37.180" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7019" PostId="4207" Score="0" Text="To slm 's point, the voting mechanism is the same across all of the stack sites; it's no different here on Unix &amp; Linux." CreationDate="2016-10-22T22:43:26.557" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7026" PostId="4205" Score="0" Text="I disagree with your argument on the ‘CPU times’ question.  It is not asking “How do I add numbers in C?”; it is “How do I get this system information from the Unix/Linux kernel (using the C API)?” It’s not about the programming language; it’s about the OS. A [SO] user could be an expert on C programming and have no idea how to answer this question. We always talk about how many of the sites overlap: AU and U&amp;L; U&amp;L and SU; and scripts can go lots of places. Questions about the Unix-C API should be in the overlap between U&amp;L and SO, and should stay in the community where they were asked." CreationDate="2016-10-23T00:38:59.173" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="7027" PostId="4205" Score="3" Text="I expected that you would refer me to the U&amp;L on-topic guidelines, and I was prepared to argue that they should be changed. Taking questions about process properties and shoving them over to SO is overzealous compartmentalization — if `/proc`, `strace`, and scripts are on-topic, then the mere mention of C should not push a question over the edge. But then I saw something I had forgotten — the [Help Center](/help/on-topic) explicitly says that “UNIX C API and System Interfaces (within reason)” are on-topic. So I don’t understand how you can say that the ‘CPU times’ question is off-topic at U&amp;L." CreationDate="2016-10-23T00:39:40.957" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="7030" PostId="4212" Score="3" Text="Thanks you, that's the kind of advice I sought. Maybe I should point out my rationale: I was just sifting through unanswered questions with tag _c_ where I noticed that many (if not most) questions should not be tagged with _c_ but rather with _system-programming_ (tag _c_ is fuzzy anyway, but that's a different issue). I was just wondering whether the effort of re-tagging is worth it, especially for such old questions." CreationDate="2016-10-24T11:10:31.193" UserId="64248" />
  <row Id="7031" PostId="4212" Score="4" Text="@countermode as a general rule, I feel retagging is always useful, if only to clarify the use of the tag." CreationDate="2016-10-24T11:27:04.180" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7032" PostId="4209" Score="1" Text="thank you as well!" CreationDate="2016-10-25T02:42:18.283" UserId="171354" />
  <row Id="7033" PostId="4207" Score="0" Text="I am new. Thank you both for th info." CreationDate="2016-10-25T02:44:04.070" UserId="171354" />
  <row Id="7034" PostId="4214" Score="1" Text="OK, I’m confused.  [Enable automatic deletion of old, unanswered zero-score questions after a year?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/78048/195817) indicates that some questions are deleted automatically when they get to be 365 days old, *and some get deleted after 30 days*.  This, or something similar, (still) seems to be in effect — I have &gt;10K on Super User (so I can see deleted posts), and I occasionally stumble across questions that have been deleted automatically because they’ve been “abandoned”, and I’m pretty sure that they generally aren’t more than 60 days old." CreationDate="2016-10-25T05:23:44.130" UserId="23408" />
  <row Id="7035" PostId="4214" Score="1" Text="@Scott Didn't know about that; edited" CreationDate="2016-10-25T14:55:24.103" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="7036" PostId="4215" Score="1" Text="Hi Bahamat. Thanks for contributing an answer. This thread hasn't seen much activity lately. Debian is always a good choice. It's what a lot of us use, especially those of us that hang out in the chat room. Which hasn't been very active in recent months, but there's always room for improvement. You could join us in the room - it's https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/26/dev-chat" CreationDate="2016-10-31T15:42:09.367" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="7037" PostId="4214" Score="0" Text="Are you sure they're visible to new users who didn't create the question, too? It seems that some stuff like this isn't, whether or not deleted questions are. Higher reputation seems to increase what you can see on StackExchange (I'm not sure if it's different for different sites on it)." CreationDate="2016-11-01T08:39:37.687" UserId="82698" />
  <row Id="7038" PostId="4215" Score="0" Text="Thanks for your invitation to chat" CreationDate="2016-11-01T13:08:27.723" UserDisplayName="user192526" />
  <row Id="7039" PostId="4214" Score="1" Text="@Shule Closed questions are visible even if you're not logged in, I just tried with [this question](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/165582/can-somebody-list-the-earliest-public-source-code-repositories-and-when-they-ope). Reputation affects deleted questions (they're visible to 10k users because they can [vote to undelete](http://unix.stackexchange.com/help/privileges/moderator-tools)), but not closed questions" CreationDate="2016-11-01T15:11:37.527" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="7040" PostId="4216" Score="4" Text="+1 thanks, now I can't look at it without noticing. ._." CreationDate="2016-11-01T23:21:39.113" UserId="181999" />
  <row Id="7041" PostId="4216" Score="0" Text="@Junaga innit awful?" CreationDate="2016-11-01T23:22:58.417" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="7042" PostId="4216" Score="8" Text="I think the others should be changed to conform with the Unix convention of no spaces at the beginning of directory names `/etc`..." CreationDate="2016-11-02T00:14:18.607" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="7043" PostId="4216" Score="0" Text="@jasonwryan thats actually even better" CreationDate="2016-11-02T13:28:02.540" UserId="181999" />
  <row Id="7044" PostId="4216" Score="8" Text="I think this is new (and probably inadvertent); I dug up a screenshot from a couple months ago where there were [no spaces](https://i.stack.imgur.com/LvOJQ.png)" CreationDate="2016-11-02T15:38:39.717" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="7045" PostId="4213" Score="0" Text="One of measures to safeguard a question against auto-deletion as non-interesting is marking it favourite (a star)." CreationDate="2016-11-06T02:09:07.067" UserId="17594" />
  <row Id="7046" PostId="4212" Score="0" Text="The &quot;Close -&gt; Off topic -&gt; Non-reproducible&quot; description includes the phrase &quot;problem went away on its own&quot;.  That seems to match the reason so a new close reason isn't necessary." CreationDate="2016-11-07T04:22:57.793" UserId="26713" />
  <row Id="7047" PostId="4221" Score="3" Text="Agreed. Underlining, in particular, is an important accessibility feature for the colour blind and visually impaired." CreationDate="2016-11-08T02:15:11.027" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="7048" PostId="4223" Score="0" Text="Downvoting because the question fixes itself seems unnecessary; closure is sufficient. In your case, your question omits important information *and* works when tested by others. I guess that is worth a downvote." CreationDate="2016-11-11T21:39:33.660" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="7049" PostId="4223" Score="0" Text="What important information should I have included? This seem pertinent and I am pressing for site-wide precedent." CreationDate="2016-11-11T21:42:10.893" UserDisplayName="user196935" />
  <row Id="7050" PostId="4223" Score="0" Text="Nothing in the question indicates what directory you issued the command from, nor where the file was downloaded to; which was the whole point of the question..." CreationDate="2016-11-11T22:36:34.040" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="7051" PostId="4223" Score="0" Text="The pertinent fact, that I ran `wget` from the same directory I ran `ls` in was included. What more would you need? I understand some people need different levels of explication but it seems obvious to all reasonable persons from the description given." CreationDate="2016-11-11T22:38:44.240" UserDisplayName="user196935" />
  <row Id="7052" PostId="4223" Score="2" Text="Output to substantiate your claim. People say they do lots of things, including relevant output in their question gives people confidence that *all* of the variables are known, not assumed." CreationDate="2016-11-11T22:43:38.053" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="7054" PostId="4223" Score="1" Text="No; I have no idea why I am even bothering to engage with you... You aksed why you had been downvoted, I explained that your question was deficient, now you want to get all indignant. Save your negative energy for another community." CreationDate="2016-11-11T23:13:27.743" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="7055" PostId="4223" Score="0" Text="After the tour, there's the rest of the help pages, such as http://unix.stackexchange.com/help/privileges/vote-down" CreationDate="2016-11-11T23:14:21.620" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7057" PostId="4226" Score="0" Text="Why is it &quot;not so discoverable and not good in searches&quot;?" CreationDate="2016-11-15T08:21:31.640" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7058" PostId="4226" Score="0" Text="@terdon Because the name contains “for”, and if someone includes that word, they won't find the tag." CreationDate="2016-11-15T12:13:45.990" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="7059" PostId="4226" Score="0" Text="@Gilles even if the excerpt contains it?" CreationDate="2016-11-15T13:26:00.037" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="7060" PostId="4225" Score="0" Text="Seems fine to keep this here, IMO." CreationDate="2016-11-15T16:05:54.410" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="7061" PostId="4226" Score="0" Text="Not sure you but if they type &quot;windows-sub&quot; the only tag that will appear will be that one, as we don't have any other tag with that prefix (there are only 3 &quot;windows&quot; tags at the moment)." CreationDate="2016-11-15T20:43:21.623" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="7062" PostId="4232" Score="3" Text="... if the new question gets a less lousy answer." CreationDate="2016-11-16T15:22:29.280" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="7063" PostId="4232" Score="0" Text="Thank you, that's good to know. It's not clear from the dialogs." CreationDate="2016-11-16T18:09:09.053" UserId="23344" />
  <row Id="7064" PostId="4232" Score="2" Text="@muru, in fact what prompted me to finally ask this was one of my own recent questions; and indeed it has a better answer already. (To avoid misunderstandings: in that case, the answers to the earlier question were not &quot;lousy&quot;, just less than perfect.)" CreationDate="2016-11-16T18:11:15.313" UserId="23344" />
  <row Id="7065" PostId="4232" Score="2" Text="@alexis also, if both questions have answers worth saving, you can flag one with a custom mod flag and suggest we merge them." CreationDate="2016-11-16T18:18:49.377" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7066" PostId="4230" Score="6" Text="WSL *is* (part of) a Microsoft product. &quot;Bash on Ubuntu on Windows&quot; may be a combined product, but [WSL is the syscall/session manager/ELF64 pico hosts](https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/wsl/2016/04/22/windows-subsystem-for-linux-overview/) with no particular tie to Canonical, although that's the only supported configuration (but you can run other distributions if you want). Ubuntu questions by rule go on AU, so the tag here would be for questions that are either general or using something else. We don't want a &quot;no Ubuntu except Windows&quot; carve-out (!), just a tag for the ones that are on-topic." CreationDate="2016-11-17T09:24:46.110" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="7067" PostId="4235" Score="0" Text="The problem with voting in this case is that this post hit the HNQ, which severely skews the voting because of drive-by upvotes (user see interesting post, user has association bonus, user upvote). I agree with the rest of the answer, though." CreationDate="2016-11-17T12:39:55.837" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="7068" PostId="4230" Score="1" Text="It's wsl on AU [because it's wsl on SO](http://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/15997/tag-synonym-request-ubuntu-on-windows). I personally wiped the ubuntu-on-windows tag from posts after wsl started catching on. That's why it has zero questions." CreationDate="2016-11-17T13:24:01.897" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="7070" PostId="4230" Score="1" Text="Your objection M. Homer that we should not allow Ubuntu on Windows NT questions because we should not allow Ubuntu questions at all is misplaced here, as it's an implied premise of the question of how to tag them that they are.  You might want to take your objection up with the right people, or at least post your own _let's not have this tag at all_ answer.  Whilst you are doing so, re-read the part here that discusses this from the perspective of _what questions people are asking_, and therefore the scope of the tag(s), which is _not anywhere near_ limited to the Microsoft part." CreationDate="2016-11-17T13:53:06.167" UserId="5132" />
  <row Id="7073" PostId="4235" Score="0" Text="Does unix.SE have different attribution practices to other SE sites? Assuming no (and happy to be corrected): there has been time compression due to the HNQ status, but I'm curious about how would affect the value of the votes cast?" CreationDate="2016-11-18T15:48:45.907" UserId="143394" />
  <row Id="7074" PostId="4236" Score="5" Text="There's no magic to it: New questions get read more and answered more than old ones. There's little motivation to answer an old question, where the OP has long ago moved on and the trail of low-voted answers almost ensures a new, 0-vote answer will never be read." CreationDate="2016-11-19T07:07:28.367" UserId="23344" />
  <row Id="7076" PostId="4236" Score="3" Text="Anyway I often try to apply your advice to edit the question, but it's not that simple: If an old question didn't get to the heart of the issue (making it a poor or misleading question), it usually cannot be fixed without invalidating the existing answers." CreationDate="2016-11-19T07:14:03.083" UserId="23344" />
  <row Id="7077" PostId="4222" Score="0" Text="Gee, I'd better get those remaining 91 rep points fast!" CreationDate="2016-11-21T17:21:54.987" UserId="106927" />
  <row Id="7078" PostId="4222" Score="0" Text="@DmitryGrigoryev, that would be great! Thanks a lot for wanting to help out." CreationDate="2016-11-21T22:15:12.120" UserId="197244" />
  <row Id="7079" PostId="4238" Score="0" Text="Do you have an example on unix.SE that was closed with &quot;answered elsewhere&quot;? I thought we were pretty careful about closing only with a follow-on reference" CreationDate="2016-11-22T13:08:12.000" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="7080" PostId="4238" Score="0" Text="not offhand. unix.SE is not *.SE and maybe *.SE in general is much better than others. But it is a very very big red flag for me. Takes a long time for me to forget and follow links from a search engine - OR - I am extremely desperate. In short, I read the question - and past frustrations came up - I am just the reader and this does not help! SOO!! very glad to hear that unix.SE has the reader in mind!" CreationDate="2016-11-22T13:22:41.750" UserId="201205" />
  <row Id="7081" PostId="4238" Score="0" Text="and I wish I could edit my comment - so many missing words... but I expect, or hope, that over time I will proof-read my comments better." CreationDate="2016-11-22T13:24:07.597" UserId="201205" />
  <row Id="7084" PostId="4222" Score="0" Text="I'm not a big helper actually. I've once missed free T-shirts on one of the SE sites by a few rep points, that's why I react like that ;)" CreationDate="2016-11-22T17:56:52.763" UserId="106927" />
  <row Id="7085" PostId="4243" Score="0" Text="Interesting idea. I have not considered that. I was actually worried I would get comments about questions already having been tagged as duplicates on the site, but not in my dataset yet, because the latest dump is always a little bit behind on the actual status. I'm basically worried about annoying people if I show them known duplicates. You do have a point though, and this is definitely something I can discuss with the other researchers." CreationDate="2016-11-22T22:17:47.097" UserId="197244" />
  <row Id="7087" PostId="4243" Score="1" Text="@Monozygotic nah, SE already does that to us via review audits, and most users are OK with it. People who want to help with this should be mostly fine with it too." CreationDate="2016-11-23T02:00:47.693" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="7088" PostId="4243" Score="0" Text="@muru, ha, I didn't know that! Great, that's encouraging. I'll speak to the other researchers tomorrow, so will bring this point up." CreationDate="2016-11-23T04:43:57.997" UserId="197244" />
  <row Id="7089" PostId="4218" Score="0" Text="When is this going to get implemented?  :)" CreationDate="2016-11-23T07:03:30.777" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="7091" PostId="4238" Score="1" Text="Actually, it is impossible to close as a duplicate without a link on SE. The only way to mark something as a dupe is to provide the target question it is a duplicate of. So don't worry, this is one problem that doesn't exist here." CreationDate="2016-11-23T08:51:03.450" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7093" PostId="4222" Score="0" Text="Is there an 'end' date for this project?" CreationDate="2016-11-23T15:12:12.123" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7094" PostId="4245" Score="0" Text="From the link you've posted you forgot to quote &quot;UNIX C API and System Interfaces ( within reason )&quot; which links to &quot;system interfaces&quot; and `strudup`.  The original question was IMO not  a programmer's only question but a typical UNIX user/admin problem." CreationDate="2016-11-23T16:50:03.487" UserId="28765" />
  <row Id="7095" PostId="4245" Score="2" Text="but it wasn't a question about the interface, it was a question about an error they got while compiling a program." CreationDate="2016-11-23T16:56:03.933" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7102" PostId="4246" Score="2" Text="There is still some mixed content left, like images that users embedded using `http://` links. SE developers have been converting these, and this work is ongoing, [as Nick Craver tweeted several hours ago](https://twitter.com/Nick_Craver/status/801235862038122496)." CreationDate="2016-11-24T07:01:08.007" UserDisplayName="user90255" />
  <row Id="7104" PostId="4246" Score="0" Text="@zaq Mixed content is usually no problem, if not having set strict Content-Security-Policy." CreationDate="2016-11-24T07:36:39.313" UserId="126755" />
  <row Id="7106" PostId="4245" Score="1" Text="@JeffSchaller which would kinda make it on topic though. If the main question is &quot;I am trying to install software X but get an error&quot;, then it isn't a programming question at all but a basic system usage question. What am I missing?" CreationDate="2016-11-24T10:30:55.650" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7107" PostId="4245" Score="0" Text="It was during the 'make' phase, not the 'make install' or runtime phase" CreationDate="2016-11-24T12:23:18.867" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7108" PostId="4238" Score="0" Text="As roaima says, I believe that the [SE] system doesn't allow a question to be closed (indeed, doesn't allow a user to vote to close a question) *as a duplicate* without specifying a duplicate target.  Here are a couple of things that *can* happen, however: (1) Question `A` gets closed as a duplicate of question `B`, and then question `B` gets deleted.  This should be flagged for moderator attention. (2) Somebody writes a *comment* saying &quot;this question has been answered elsewhere&quot; (without a reference), and then the question gets closed for other reason(s).  Or maybe doesn't get closed at all." CreationDate="2016-11-24T20:36:25.213" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="7109" PostId="4222" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller, we haven't determined when exactly the end date will be, but it will be at least a month from now. I'll let you know when we've settled on an exact date." CreationDate="2016-11-25T03:53:03.903" UserId="197244" />
  <row Id="7110" PostId="4243" Score="1" Text="@muru and Dmitry, I had a discussion with the other researchers, but we've decided not to add known duplicates. The main reason is that it's virtually impossible to eliminate all bias. Apparently a lot of research has been done on this by psychologists. So instead, we'll try to get as many annotations as possible, to make the received labels as trustworthy as possible. Different sites have different numbers of duplicates, so we might be able to use this info to identify cases where there's a lot of bias too. We'll have to experiment when we have all the data." CreationDate="2016-11-25T03:55:46.320" UserId="197244" />
  <row Id="7111" PostId="4243" Score="0" Text="@Monozygotic Ok, thanks for letting me know and good luck!" CreationDate="2016-11-25T08:18:29.720" UserId="106927" />
  <row Id="7116" PostId="4246" Score="0" Text="@VlastimilBurian incorrect - I don't know offhand about Safari/Opera (although Safari at least lags behind everything else in terms of standards support... *sigh*) but Chrome, Firefox and I _think_ IE all block mixed passive content and will probably eventually block mixed active content too." CreationDate="2016-11-28T07:14:41.573" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="7117" PostId="4248" Score="8" Text="Nobody can delete an answer anonymously. There is no nefarious scheme against you, nobody is out to get you. I suggest that next time something happens which you don't understand, you *ask* about it instead of accusing people of bad intent." CreationDate="2016-11-28T11:20:56.347" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7118" PostId="4248" Score="0" Text="@terdon isn't that what I did?" CreationDate="2016-11-28T12:42:39.620" UserId="59928" />
  <row Id="7119" PostId="4248" Score="1" Text="Not quite. You set out to attack, not ask for clarification. That's certainly how your post comes across, anyway. Using terms like &quot;dirty politics&quot;, deciding that there was ill intent (the user removed my answer to validate their decision to close), comes across as very aggressive. Next time, avoid making assumptions or throwing blame around and just ask why your question was deleted. As muru explained, this was all automatic and nothing personal." CreationDate="2016-11-28T12:46:36.127" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7120" PostId="4249" Score="0" Text="Oh, indeed, that's interesting. So, now there exist two answers, one on the askubuntu, and the other one — deleted — on unix.se, and both with different set of commetns and votes. Wow, that's some broken scheme! But anyway, I'm glad that it's another situation where I should've applied [Hanlons' Razor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor) ☺" CreationDate="2016-11-28T12:46:39.593" UserId="59928" />
  <row Id="7122" PostId="4248" Score="0" Text="@terdon how is that aggressive, I'm just unfolding the clues. Imagine yourself in my place — what else would you think with all that in hand, and without knowing about broken internals of rejecting/mirgration on SE *(and, given you knew, that the answer already migrated previously, and it is here, &quot;deleted&quot;, right in front of your eyes, so definitely you wouldn't look back at askubuntu)*…?" CreationDate="2016-11-28T13:02:03.230" UserId="59928" />
  <row Id="7123" PostId="4248" Score="4" Text="You thought you were being attacked and it turned out you're wrong. All I'm saying is that, next time, you might want to consider the possibility that nobody did anything wrong. So, instead of accusing people of &quot;dirty politics&quot;, you could have simply asked &quot;what happened here&quot;. That's all." CreationDate="2016-11-28T13:36:34.917" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7124" PostId="4248" Score="0" Text="@terdon I considered `the possibility that nobody did anything wrong`. But do clues accord to that? How high the probability that it's simply a bug in the site? | Anyway, the downvotes — as is my life experience in general — shows that most peoples don't like when someone &quot;think too much&quot;. You should encourage the rational thinking instead of what everyone usually do. | end of rant." CreationDate="2016-11-28T16:13:18.333" UserId="59928" />
  <row Id="7125" PostId="4248" Score="1" Text="I am trying to encourage rational thinking. That's why I suggested you don't throw blame around without knowing what actually happened." CreationDate="2016-11-28T16:15:11.493" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7126" PostId="4248" Score="0" Text="@terdon one of rules of a good question — did you do everything you could to find the possible cause? If I'd just put the clues out, and ask why did this happen — it's akin to ask &quot;something didn't work, here'n'there logs, help!&quot; — the first question in general &quot;what have you try? Google shows a bunch of topics with alike error&quot; *(may be not exact wording — more likely the question just going to be ignored)*. So, what did I try? I made a research, and it should be encouraged — even if in the end I turned out to be wrong." CreationDate="2016-11-28T16:25:50.807" UserId="59928" />
  <row Id="7127" PostId="4248" Score="0" Text="you're missing the point. This may be a language issue, I am trying to explain that the tone of your post is aggressive. It's great that you did research and there's absolutely nothing wrong with making a mistake. What is wrong, is accusing people before knowing what happened. Also note that you can only see your own deleted answers, you need 10k rep to see all deleted posts." CreationDate="2016-11-28T16:33:47.103" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7128" PostId="4248" Score="0" Text="To be honest, I still don't understand: basically, you suggested to not tell about the research, because it may offend someone *(then again, given that &quot;the user&quot; doesn't even exist, who could be offended?)*.  I don't know, may be it's about priorities — I'd say research is more important than someone's opinion… But I have to stop arguing, because it's a recurring problem of my communication with peoples: I always do something seemingly right, and then I'm told by everyone it's wrong, for reasons that are never clear to me." CreationDate="2016-11-28T18:31:49.963" UserId="59928" />
  <row Id="7130" PostId="4250" Score="0" Text="I think we're diverging in a thought process for the particular problem. I'm not &quot;assuming ill-intent&quot; for no reason, but I led by research to conclusions. Suppose, I didn't make the assumption: then it all stop on the second paragraph *(the 3-rd goes &quot;someone anonymously deleted the answer&quot;)*, and then it's not even a research, but bare facts. If you've read the comment wall, you know — it came down to 2 camps: α) me assuming importance of research over opinions, and β) terdon ♦ *(and, judging by votes, pretty much everyone)* assuming the reverse. Both are subjective, there's not much to add." CreationDate="2016-11-29T05:21:06.280" UserId="59928" />
  <row Id="7131" PostId="4250" Score="3" Text="@Hi-Angel it's not about research. It is about the way you chose to describe your research. Your word choices, especially the ones highlighted in Jeff's answer, set the tone of your question. And that tone is confrontational. *That's* what we're trying to explain. You didn't just present your research, you also provided an interpretation. That is analysis, not research and that wasn't helpful here. So yes, next time, stick to the data alone and don't add your interpretation of other people's motives." CreationDate="2016-11-29T09:52:02.627" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7132" PostId="4248" Score="2" Text="@hi-angel - all terdon is saying Is to not assume the worst. Inquire without assuming it was done with any malice directed towards you." CreationDate="2016-11-29T14:18:35.390" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="7133" PostId="4250" Score="0" Text="@terdon `nobody is out to get you` you said. Let me show: I've just got a downvote on unix.se to a perfectly fine question *(with research, logs, all that, kinda surprising answer, and low views)*. That was definitely for what I asked on meta, not for the question itself. See: my assumption for malicious intention was — besides clues — based on a vast life experience. Even though I'm somewhat younger than you, I have reasons to assume my experience in that kind greater than yours. But your assumption is based on belief in people. I've had one too, and I learned to drop it in really hard way." CreationDate="2016-11-29T21:31:42.963" UserId="59928" />
  <row Id="7136" PostId="4246" Score="0" Text="Wildcard certificates don't support *.*.stackexchange.com, needed for https://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/" CreationDate="2016-12-03T23:08:05.543" UserId="43400" />
  <row Id="7139" PostId="4245" Score="1" Text="No, that question is on-topic: the asker is compiling someone else's software to install it. This is not a programming question." CreationDate="2016-12-05T00:41:25.170" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="7142" PostId="4255" Score="0" Text="Thanks for clarifying! But it's really c++ code." CreationDate="2016-12-05T12:00:57.157" UserId="28765" />
  <row Id="7143" PostId="4246" Score="1" Text="@strugee It's the other way around, mixed active content from HTTPS to HTTP is blocked by default (at least in Firefox) and blocking mixed passive content is an option." CreationDate="2016-12-05T16:16:21.593" UserId="2465" />
  <row Id="7144" PostId="4252" Score="2" Text="People seem to downvote *YES to hats!* rather than upvoting this one, so I guess you might as well delete it." CreationDate="2016-12-05T17:37:05.873" UserId="106927" />
  <row Id="7145" PostId="4252" Score="1" Text="@DmitryGrigoryev actually, this currently has 7 upvotes and 7 downvotes, while the yes only has 2 downvotes." CreationDate="2016-12-05T17:39:12.713" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7146" PostId="4252" Score="1" Text="Wow, I totally missed it! Guess I just couldn't imagine someone hating hats... Anyway, a single item to vote for/against would have been less ambiguous IMO. Now I have to resist the urge to downvote the answer I don't like and make my vote count as two." CreationDate="2016-12-05T17:40:57.717" UserId="106927" />
  <row Id="7147" PostId="4252" Score="5" Text="@DmitryGrigoryev What is this &quot;resist&quot;? Vote early, vote often!" CreationDate="2016-12-06T02:18:26.273" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="7148" PostId="4251" Score="1" Text="Not much information on that Winter Bash page right now..." CreationDate="2016-12-07T07:33:43.460" UserId="83616" />
  <row Id="7149" PostId="4252" Score="0" Text="@DmitryGrigoryev Of course you can take the advantage of a double vote!" CreationDate="2016-12-07T16:39:35.093" UserId="81848" />
  <row Id="7150" PostId="4246" Score="0" Text="@MichaelKjörling whoops! must've gotten the two mixed up somehow. nice catch." CreationDate="2016-12-08T00:22:12.880" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="7151" PostId="4258" Score="0" Text="Similar: [What can be done with the duplication of answer?](http://meta.askubuntu.com/q/11838/256099)" CreationDate="2016-12-08T09:52:50.847" UserId="66803" />
  <row Id="7152" PostId="4262" Score="0" Text="Yes, let's go for that, and see if we end up with more questions on meta that need migrating to the main site ;-)." CreationDate="2016-12-08T10:00:05.223" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="7153" PostId="4262" Score="0" Text="Oh damn, I hadn't even thought of that!" CreationDate="2016-12-08T10:08:47.557" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7154" PostId="4265" Score="0" Text="@jayhendren - what terdon says above is how I would direct you as well." CreationDate="2016-12-09T02:43:53.993" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="7155" PostId="4266" Score="0" Text="It's kind of hard to answer without an example. If the edits are really useless, reject them. If they help, but can be improved, improve them. If it really happens too often, reject I guess. It will depend on the details." CreationDate="2016-12-09T09:12:46.033" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7156" PostId="4266" Score="0" Text="@terdon Ok, You have an example there, I have stopped editing his &quot;edits&quot; until I see marginal difference." CreationDate="2016-12-09T09:37:24.880" UserId="126755" />
  <row Id="7157" PostId="4246" Score="0" Text="Actually, when a subdomain of a subdomain needs SSL, like meta.unix.stackexchange.com this is a big topic https://security.stackexchange.com/a/10544/82570" CreationDate="2016-12-09T10:06:49.493" UserId="126755" />
  <row Id="7158" PostId="4266" Score="1" Text="[my comment on minor edits](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/4005/how-useful-are-the-markdown-tags-for-keys/4006#comment6584_4006)" CreationDate="2016-12-09T11:43:19.983" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7159" PostId="4265" Score="1" Text="I might be holding out too much hope, and certainly people are free to vote as they wish, but could we instead say to downvote answers that are less *useful* instead of just being an opinion you disagree with? [that the post contains wrong information, is poorly researched, or fails to communicate information](http://unix.stackexchange.com/help/why-vote)" CreationDate="2016-12-09T19:20:43.403" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7160" PostId="4265" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller my point is that if someone's answer is based on opinion, that usually makes it less useful, sort of by definition. And I said &quot;you *can* downvote&quot;, not *should*. As in, instead of flagging as offensive because you object to the opinin expressed, just downvote. Doing nothing is indeed another option but I doubt it would be applicable when someone finds the opinion so unpleasant as to flag as abusive and then bring it up on meta for discussion. The OP here obviously feels quite strongly about this, so a downvote is understandable." CreationDate="2016-12-10T11:19:46.223" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7161" PostId="4267" Score="1" Text="What questions? The last question you asked that I can see was asked today and has already received an answer. Does that put your mind at ease?" CreationDate="2016-12-10T11:23:46.510" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7162" PostId="4252" Score="1" Text="@DmitryGrigoryev Don't worry; I for one hope that our Hat Overlords are sufficiently knowledgable to check the actual vote counts and not just the net total before making a decision. :-)" CreationDate="2016-12-10T12:53:33.683" UserId="2465" />
  <row Id="7163" PostId="4267" Score="0" Text="Retagging this as [support] not [bug] because there is no evidence in the question that you are seeing incorrect software behavior." CreationDate="2016-12-10T12:58:27.483" UserId="2465" />
  <row Id="7164" PostId="4264" Score="0" Text="A bit more information about the &quot;rude or abusive&quot; flag and why it shouldn't be used lightly: http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/58035/203101" CreationDate="2016-12-10T14:15:35.567" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7165" PostId="4265" Score="2" Text="In this particular case, I didn't really care what the opinion was (I have a chip on my shoulder for Red Hat too), but rather that I felt the strong opinions expressed in the answer not only did not contribute to the answer at all, but they actually detracted from it, and generally made UL feel like a more hostile place." CreationDate="2016-12-10T21:06:48.537" UserId="34505" />
  <row Id="7166" PostId="4253" Score="0" Text="Yea! Where's the hats??" CreationDate="2016-12-11T15:04:33.147" UserId="70757" />
  <row Id="7167" PostId="4263" Score="1" Text="Short tl;dr answers only provide value if they are on the top. They won't help someone who made it to the 10-th answer." CreationDate="2016-12-12T17:53:45.393" UserId="106927" />
  <row Id="7168" PostId="4263" Score="3" Text="@DmitryGrigoryev Vote them up, then. :)" CreationDate="2016-12-12T18:21:28.700" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="7169" PostId="4263" Score="2" Text="@DmitryGrigoryev they do help. when then top answers seem to complex i tend to scan down for a simpler solution. so even if it's somewhere down below, i'll find it." CreationDate="2016-12-14T06:53:10.893" UserId="137741" />
  <row Id="7170" PostId="4272" Score="0" Text="Well, disagreement is part of the game, this is why more than one user votes. The question, however, was meant to ask for what to do with the _answer_ to off-topic questions." CreationDate="2016-12-15T12:21:02.903" UserId="64248" />
  <row Id="7171" PostId="4272" Score="2" Text="@countermode absolutely, the second paragraph was just an afterthought. The first is the answer to your question: do nothing to the answer, just vote to close the question." CreationDate="2016-12-15T14:52:10.643" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7172" PostId="4273" Score="0" Text="You get a badge for each multiple of (200rep / 1 year). You probably didn't have 200 rep on your first anniversary, but now you have enough for two." CreationDate="2016-12-15T16:00:15.597" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="7173" PostId="4273" Score="0" Text="@muru Hmm. That makes little sense to me as &quot;My history page indicates no activity prior to May 14th here on U&amp;L.&quot;  Is the history page inaccurate? I count 7 months." CreationDate="2016-12-15T16:04:57.277" UserId="67643" />
  <row Id="7174" PostId="4273" Score="0" Text="http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/104469/270345" CreationDate="2016-12-15T16:12:45.067" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="7175" PostId="4273" Score="0" Text="Ok I see on http://stackexchange.com/users/3732749/elder-geek?tab=accounts that I joined U&amp;L 2 years ago. so that must be the value in use (rather than the 2 years 7 months on my profile page)" CreationDate="2016-12-15T16:49:39.940" UserId="67643" />
  <row Id="7176" PostId="4273" Score="0" Text="no, it's using the 2 years 7 months value alright. See the Meta SE post I linked above, where that user was also active for 2 years + some months." CreationDate="2016-12-15T16:51:26.510" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="7177" PostId="4273" Score="0" Text="Hmm.2 7/12*200=516.666666667 but 2*200=400 and I'm at 402 here.... The math doesn't parse as in the answer linked." CreationDate="2016-12-15T16:57:46.010" UserId="67643" />
  <row Id="7178" PostId="4274" Score="0" Text="Thank you for your response. So the fractional year no longer applies as noted in http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/104465/two-yearling-badges-on-the-same-day/104469#104469 ?" CreationDate="2016-12-15T18:29:59.337" UserId="67643" />
  <row Id="7179" PostId="4274" Score="0" Text="@ElderGeek I'm not sure; that answer was posted by a Stack Exchange employee so I would expect it to be accurate, but it doesn't look that way based on what you said, and a bunch of comments on [this answer](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/188731/145982) have similar stories" CreationDate="2016-12-15T19:05:39.687" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="7180" PostId="4253" Score="1" Text="@Hack-R Dec 19 will be when hats come!" CreationDate="2016-12-15T20:00:04.073" UserId="81848" />
  <row Id="7181" PostId="4252" Score="1" Text="Clearly, you're not bald. If you were, you'd understand why we need hats." CreationDate="2016-12-15T20:00:53.413" UserId="70757" />
  <row Id="7182" PostId="4274" Score="0" Text="I guess the reasons will remain a mystery without a code review. I have no doubt that everyone involved is providing information to the best of their knowledge and I don't expect more than that. On a related note, I got the same dual yearling badge on askubuntu.com today, and it shows one greyed out as you indicated in your answer but the U&amp;L notifications don't as seen [here](http://imgur.com/D8u9Z6U)" CreationDate="2016-12-15T20:58:11.130" UserId="67643" />
  <row Id="7183" PostId="4274" Score="0" Text="@ElderGeek The U&amp;L icon is greyed out, it's just harder to tell. [Zoomed in](https://i.stack.imgur.com/Hz8t7.png)" CreationDate="2016-12-15T21:52:31.357" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="7184" PostId="4274" Score="0" Text="Thank you, I'm not sure how I missed that. Interesting color palette choice..." CreationDate="2016-12-15T22:02:57.413" UserId="67643" />
  <row Id="7185" PostId="4252" Score="0" Text="Bald or not, in my neck of the woods it's currently cold enough to definitely require a hat!" CreationDate="2016-12-15T22:48:17.877" UserId="67643" />
  <row Id="7186" PostId="4253" Score="0" Text="I could use a nice warm one about now." CreationDate="2016-12-15T22:49:08.563" UserId="67643" />
  <row Id="7187" PostId="4276" Score="0" Text="I presume you mean this question http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/331432/c-and-linux-best-ide-programming-environment (note: deleted, so visible to 10k+ rep only)" CreationDate="2016-12-19T17:14:14.080" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="7188" PostId="4277" Score="0" Text="To answer your response:&#xA;Many users and administrators of Unix and Linix systems are programmers, and I've seen many programming related questions on Stack Overflow.  (what does this command do?, how do I xxxx with a script? etc)&#xA;&#xA;Second - That is exactly what I was looking for.  A list of features.  Not all features are &quot;useful&quot; and only those who have had extensive hands on experience with them would know the best features. &#xA;&#xA;I get that some people can opine about &quot;I think this or that is better&quot;, but only those with hands on experience can actually tell what features work best." CreationDate="2016-12-19T17:32:01.810" UserId="206251" />
  <row Id="7189" PostId="4277" Score="0" Text="Why would there be a /c++ section in stackexchange, if C++ related questions would be migrated to /discussion, or deleted altogether?&#xA;&#xA;Why not just remove the /c++ section altogether rather than let people think they might get a valued answer to a valid question?" CreationDate="2016-12-19T17:37:02.250" UserId="206251" />
  <row Id="7190" PostId="4276" Score="4" Text="It's just good moderation. And, there *are* questions tagged with `c++`. I see 146 of them - a sparse collection, to be sure. You wrote, &quot;C is the programming language Linux was originally written in.&quot; Has Linus changed his mind to  embrace C++ and allow it into the kernel (http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/c++/linus)?  The OS did *not* &quot;evolve&quot; in C++." CreationDate="2016-12-19T18:16:35.760" UserId="29678" />
  <row Id="7191" PostId="4276" Score="2" Text="Yes, your title is a bit confusing. C++ and Linux don't really go together at all. Or, rather, no more so than any other language. C and Linux yes, C++ not really since Linus seems to hate it with a passin." CreationDate="2016-12-19T18:51:43.913" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7192" PostId="4277" Score="7" Text="@bugstalker I'm not sure why you think scripting questions being allowed on Stack Overflow means you can ask programming questions here, those are unrelated things. We mention programming questions specifically in the [&quot;What topis can I ask about here?&quot;](http://unix.stackexchange.com/help/on-topic) section of our help. And I think you misunderstood the second point -- derobert means you would need to give a list of desired features and ask which IDE provides those features (and post it on softwarerecs). Questions that ask for the &quot;best&quot; anything are rarely useful because &quot;best&quot; is subjective" CreationDate="2016-12-19T19:00:08.767" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="7193" PostId="4279" Score="0" Text="The voting and acceptance system should be proof enough of an answer's correctness. Incorrect answers should be downvoted or commented on." CreationDate="2016-12-20T17:29:40.140" UserId="34505" />
  <row Id="7194" PostId="4279" Score="1" Text="Indeed, sometimes duplicate answers add value by providing an alternate wording or a tl;dr as [mattdm mentioned](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/a/4263/34505), but I find this to rarely be the case." CreationDate="2016-12-20T17:30:48.667" UserId="34505" />
  <row Id="7195" PostId="4279" Score="0" Text="@jayhendren: on unpopular topic, it is often the case, and if I'm looking for an answer, I cannot judge it." CreationDate="2016-12-20T19:13:08.250" UserId="156079" />
  <row Id="7196" PostId="4279" Score="0" Text="@jayhendren: when I google some problem, I usually land on a &quot;secondary&quot; answer." CreationDate="2016-12-20T19:15:27.223" UserId="156079" />
  <row Id="7198" PostId="4280" Score="5" Text="I had to check whether you said &quot;blah blah&quot; or the edit message." CreationDate="2016-12-22T02:56:41.133" UserId="203081" />
  <row Id="7199" PostId="4284" Score="0" Text="Thanks for your feedback :)" CreationDate="2016-12-22T04:34:54.837" UserId="206712" />
  <row Id="7200" PostId="4286" Score="0" Text="Sounds good, I'll report back." CreationDate="2016-12-22T12:47:44.840" UserId="194119" />
  <row Id="7201" PostId="4265" Score="0" Text="I think the answer is funny (contemptuous ala tongue-in-cheek humor) and informative. I like smart rebels. &quot;wunderkinder&quot; - lol... spot on." CreationDate="2016-12-22T19:21:39.813" UserId="29678" />
  <row Id="7206" PostId="437" Score="1" Text="Huh, [su] is Windows site?! It's more that it's a site including but not limited to Windows-specific problems." CreationDate="2016-12-25T20:34:48.217" UserId="117599" />
  <row Id="7207" PostId="4230" Score="0" Text="I don't think Canonical is contributing much, the shell is from Microsoft, the compatibility layer as well, as is the odd `/init` executable. It's basically just a standard x86-64 Ubuntu with some packages removed and few settings changed." CreationDate="2016-12-25T20:53:27.230" UserId="117599" />
  <row Id="7208" PostId="4288" Score="1" Text="@Scott the &quot;accept&quot; mark, doesn't indicate the best answer." CreationDate="2016-12-25T20:58:56.290" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="7209" PostId="4288" Score="6" Text="It *does* indicate the OP's choice as the best answer." CreationDate="2016-12-26T03:56:27.363" UserId="23408" />
  <row Id="7210" PostId="4290" Score="0" Text="And yes, I've tried turning my computer off and on again. :)" CreationDate="2016-12-26T14:08:28.163" UserId="29510" />
  <row Id="7211" PostId="4291" Score="0" Text="Thanks, I had deleted the plagiarized answer but hadn't noticed it was referenced in another." CreationDate="2016-12-26T17:12:32.460" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7213" PostId="4296" Score="1" Text="Answer to similar thread at [metaso]: http://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/323849/2261442" CreationDate="2016-12-27T21:49:12.843" UserId="117599" />
  <row Id="7215" PostId="4298" Score="26" Text="No, do *not* downvote a question based on a comment that bothered you. That's childish and petty. You should vote based on the question's quality and nothing else." CreationDate="2016-12-28T12:31:10.687" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7216" PostId="4298" Score="0" Text="@terdon or its Pavlovian training" CreationDate="2016-12-28T12:50:13.010" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="7217" PostId="4298" Score="11" Text="No, it is revenge voting and it's not cool." CreationDate="2016-12-28T12:50:50.177" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7218" PostId="4298" Score="1" Text="@terdon revenge for what? O.o" CreationDate="2016-12-28T12:51:48.303" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="7219" PostId="4298" Score="8" Text="You are suggesting that the OP should downvote the question because of a comment they object to. Not because anything is wrong with the Q but because they (or you) don't like the behavior of the question's OP. That is called revenge voting and is not welcome behavior here. I know (or hope) that you were only joking but since this is a meta answer, I wanted to make it very clear that votes should only be cast based on the post, and not on the OP's behavior." CreationDate="2016-12-28T12:54:15.093" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7220" PostId="4298" Score="2" Text="@terdon oh, it's a joke alright; hence the smiley" CreationDate="2016-12-28T12:56:50.597" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="7221" PostId="4299" Score="3" Text="Huh, so it was case of accepts for up votes? That's beyond not OK, that's veering into shenanigans territory, depending on how often it happens" CreationDate="2016-12-28T13:02:26.917" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="7226" PostId="4304" Score="0" Text="Isn't that the purpose of the bounty?" CreationDate="2017-01-03T00:53:10.017" UserId="29678" />
  <row Id="7228" PostId="4308" Score="0" Text="I suppose you have a good point there." CreationDate="2017-01-03T15:11:57.620" UserId="167583" />
  <row Id="7229" PostId="4311" Score="0" Text="Shortcuts only work in comments. :(" CreationDate="2017-01-04T08:32:54.003" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="7230" PostId="4282" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the information in Point 2. The UI for SE sites is excellent so I concluded from the lack of auto-completion that it wasn't possible to notify an editor with a comment." CreationDate="2017-01-04T10:51:43.653" UserId="22812" />
  <row Id="7231" PostId="4312" Score="0" Text="I don't understand your question, specifically the bit at the end about VPS stuff into one stack?" CreationDate="2017-01-04T15:44:57.807" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="7232" PostId="4312" Score="1" Text="**stack**exchange ;)" CreationDate="2017-01-04T16:39:53.697" UserId="17056" />
  <row Id="7233" PostId="4312" Score="0" Text="There's always [su]" CreationDate="2017-01-05T00:14:33.797" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="7234" PostId="4282" Score="1" Text="@AnthonyGeoghegan you may want to vote and comment on [this meta proposal](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/106534/307622)." CreationDate="2017-01-05T21:57:09.090" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="7235" PostId="4313" Score="4" Text="I don't see how &quot;needs clarification&quot; (or more specifically &quot;Please clarify your specific problem or add additional details to highlight exactly what you need. As it's currently written, it’s hard to tell exactly what you're asking [...] please edit the question.&quot;) is telling anyone to bugger off." CreationDate="2017-01-07T03:21:22.487" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="7236" PostId="4313" Score="1" Text="I believe that message is being sent via downvoting and closing questions, not by that canned comment (which is polite)." CreationDate="2017-01-07T06:54:33.500" UserId="34505" />
  <row Id="7237" PostId="4313" Score="5" Text="Ok, let me amend to &quot;I don't see how closing questions with that request for clarification is telling anyone to bugger off&quot;. It's *explicitly asking them to stay and participate* to get the help they wanted." CreationDate="2017-01-07T07:11:17.360" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="7239" PostId="4308" Score="2" Text="@JuliePelletier yes, what Kusalananda said. Asking a new question is absolutely the right thing to do. The user in question has done nothing wrong. Also, in future, please avoid naming specific users. Ask about a behavior not necessarily a person." CreationDate="2017-01-07T12:41:48.080" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7240" PostId="4313" Score="0" Text="TBH, I don't see why we should care too much about people that ask very the sort of questions which are unlikely to ever help anyone else because of what they are about and on top of that are unclear. Sure, some of them might become productive members of the site, oh well, but I think it's better to care for those who actually attempt to answer questions and maybe just aren't very good at this at first. I remember reading Jeff Atwood's thoughts went into the same direction and you can see that the site is even designed this way (e.g. a cost for down-voting answers but not for questions)." CreationDate="2017-01-07T12:50:39.040" UserId="117599" />
  <row Id="7241" PostId="4313" Score="1" Text="Links concerning the last point was I talking about: http://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/286304 and https://stackoverflow.blog/2011/06/optimizing-for-pearls-not-sand/" CreationDate="2017-01-07T12:58:26.567" UserId="117599" />
  <row Id="7242" PostId="4313" Score="0" Text="That [meta SO Q&amp;A](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/286304), especially Jeff's and Shog's A'ers are how I view this situation as well." CreationDate="2017-01-08T17:09:07.357" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="7244" PostId="4316" Score="4" Text="Your point about a link being implicit endorsement is very valid." CreationDate="2017-01-08T18:01:23.550" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7245" PostId="4316" Score="1" Text="Like I mentioned, the links are marked as _nofollow_, so it shouldn't affect their ranking, at most it might make the search engine bots notice the site more (because unlike what _nofollow_ implies they still follow the link)." CreationDate="2017-01-08T18:07:16.917" UserId="117599" />
  <row Id="7246" PostId="4316" Score="1" Text="@phk Yeah, but authors don't always know that, so they still potentially *try* to do it for that reason, and there are always indirect effects: this link is nofollow, but if you increase traffic, you increase likelihood of more links and so on. In the end maybe the exact reason doesn't matter that much, only that people are strongly motivated to link to their own sites." CreationDate="2017-01-08T18:09:29.757" UserId="2376" />
  <row Id="7247" PostId="4313" Score="0" Text="I must have worded my question poorly, because the comments seem to be addressing a different question than the one I intended to ask. I don't mean to suggest that we stop asking people to improve their questions to fit this site better. I like the SE format since it leads to high quality questions and answers. I just want to provide additional resources to help people who ask questions on this site *that are unlikely to ever be salvaged in such a way that they would be appropriate for U&amp;L*." CreationDate="2017-01-08T21:02:08.920" UserId="34505" />
  <row Id="7248" PostId="1436" Score="1" Text="Name was probably also chosen to get those sweet, sweet search engine clicks. Pragmatic." CreationDate="2017-01-08T22:46:16.093" UserId="117599" />
  <row Id="7249" PostId="4313" Score="0" Text="It's worth thinking about for the truly *off-topic* (and maybe &quot;*too broad*&quot;) questions, I just don't see how it can apply to &quot;needs clarification&quot;. Clarifying might well put it into one of the other categories, though. That said, the question titles you gave all sound essentially on-topic to me." CreationDate="2017-01-08T22:57:07.690" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="7250" PostId="4306" Score="1" Text="@Giacomo Tesio: I’m pleased to see that the question hasn’t been flooded with opinion-based non-answers. And I’m disappointed (although feeling slightly vindicated) that it hasn’t received *any* answers in the week since it’s been reopened." CreationDate="2017-01-09T06:10:30.850" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="7251" PostId="4318" Score="0" Text="As closed questions are eligible for reopening, they aren't automatically deleted.  They are eligible for deletion after they have remained in the closed state for a sufficient period of time without any changes, but a human must delete the question; it is not done automatically. http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/1867/do-closed-questions-ever-get-deleted" CreationDate="2017-01-10T17:24:36.070" UserId="34505" />
  <row Id="7252" PostId="4317" Score="3" Text="Comments can't be edited at all after five minutes; they can only be deleted." CreationDate="2017-01-13T08:20:50.713" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="7253" PostId="4317" Score="1" Text="Can the moderators, or others with enough rep, send notices to those who have made such comments, and remove them if they don't reform? A couple , or three, links shouldn't make much difference in their traffic, so if it is intentional they'll probable continue doing it, and end up being deleted, or banned, while the honest mistakes won't be repeated after a reminder of proper etiqute." CreationDate="2017-01-13T18:47:32.640" UserId="207673" />
  <row Id="7256" PostId="4314" Score="3" Text="[Highly-voted posts](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/111279/remove-nofollow-on-links-deemed-reputable) can have nofollow removed. Presumably that can't happen with comments. I don't know if that changes anything — the threshold is secret, but it's pretty high." CreationDate="2017-01-14T01:30:02.800" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="7257" PostId="4322" Score="0" Text="I think they might all be yours, yes, but I didn't want to say that if I wasn't certain." CreationDate="2017-01-15T23:30:05.310" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="7258" PostId="4322" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHomer No, you overestimate my industriousness. I can take credit for popularising the approach; but many of those are not mine." CreationDate="2017-01-15T23:38:04.187" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="7259" PostId="4322" Score="0" Text="I've edited in some passages from the [Be Nice policy](https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/be-nice); you may wish to update the answer correspondingly (or not)." CreationDate="2017-01-15T23:38:42.020" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="7260" PostId="4323" Score="0" Text="I'm really more concerned with the &quot;lazy moron&quot;-type reasons than the others here, but [a general off-topic reason was also requested previously in the linked question](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/q/1430/73093)." CreationDate="2017-01-16T04:39:19.477" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="7261" PostId="4323" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHomer IMO, if we didn't have to write one out, some of them might actually pick the generic reasons and skip the name-calling altogether. Having to type out a reason probably adds to the irritation" CreationDate="2017-01-16T04:41:58.957" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="7262" PostId="4323" Score="0" Text="As a hypothesis I could get on board with that, but take a look at [these](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/a/1432/73093) two [answers](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/a/4322/73093) presented without comment." CreationDate="2017-01-16T04:47:15.800" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="7263" PostId="4323" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHomer Looks like Jason has a far more optimistic attitude towards humanity than I do. I wouldn't want to add a step between an annoyed user and the closing of a crap question. A user who's likely to post a thoughtful comment would (IMO) do so even if they picked one of the canned reasons (I have seen that many times on [ubuntu.se])" CreationDate="2017-01-16T04:52:20.790" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="7264" PostId="4325" Score="0" Text="You said that tags are *mainly* additive, the exception would be shells, right? So if I'm looking for `bash` questions then I'm not looking for questions which could be possible also solved inside `bash` but instead those specifically solved in `bash`? (I see those tags removed all the time, e.g.: http://unix.stackexchange.com/posts/337596/revisions#spacer-0511dc40-4e2d-488c-b92c-4cb7e4d6e179)" CreationDate="2017-01-17T20:13:32.847" UserId="117599" />
  <row Id="7265" PostId="4322" Score="0" Text="I don't get what your position you underlined with links has to do with you wanting to _&quot;accurately convey my displeasure&quot;_. I skimmed through them and couldn't find anything supporting your position in this. Don't get me wrong though, I get that sometimes it might he hard to hold back and it would be sad if someone stopped being active in moderating stuff just because it costs too much effort to be professional and reserved. That's the best argument I can see for conveying displeasure." CreationDate="2017-01-17T21:49:41.633" UserId="117599" />
  <row Id="7266" PostId="4322" Score="1" Text="@phk both links, in different ways, illustrate the risks to online communities around not actively discouraging selfish, entitled behaviours (see also [tragedy of the commons](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons))." CreationDate="2017-01-17T22:13:40.423" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="7267" PostId="4322" Score="1" Text="@jasonwryan Yes, I get that, kinda like the broken windows stuff. But my argument was that you don't have to be a phallus about it (at least letting the users in question know) and at most you could argue that you have to show phallic behavior in order to preserve your willingness to moderate. But apart from that, there is no reason not to be (what is considered) _professional_ in your behavior." CreationDate="2017-01-17T22:16:52.133" UserId="117599" />
  <row Id="7268" PostId="4325" Score="0" Text="@phk yes, the way we use some tags on the site is weird compared to how they work—my answer is mainly about how the SE software works." CreationDate="2017-01-17T22:40:54.277" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="7269" PostId="4322" Score="2" Text="@phk that is my entire point: unless you are a dick about it, the clueless vampire thinks that their question is closed because it is off-topic (which it is), not that it is *also an abuse of the goodwill of this community*. Posting a cat gif as your question is not something that you just let slide. Not unless you want to keep having to vote to close that sort of crap..." CreationDate="2017-01-17T22:47:55.137" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="7270" PostId="758" Score="2" Text="I would correct your typo &quot;quetion&quot; but it's less than 6 characters - oh, the irony! :)" CreationDate="2017-01-18T15:36:24.893" UserId="53510" />
  <row Id="7273" PostId="4327" Score="1" Text="BTW: not sure if you're aware of this, but in the search box you can add `user:50490` to search only your stuff. That might help." CreationDate="2017-01-20T07:21:49.447" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="7274" PostId="4329" Score="2" Text="All badges are site-specific. You can get each of them on each site you are active on, but they only depend on your activity on that site." CreationDate="2017-01-21T10:58:05.053" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7275" PostId="4325" Score="2" Text="I'll admit it: It was the [tag:kali-linux] comment which actually motivated me to click the up arrow.  ;)  Good answer, but that was the motive piece." CreationDate="2017-01-23T12:52:10.007" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="7276" PostId="4327" Score="1" Text="And if you go to a profile page, the appropriate `user:` filter is pre-entered in the search field." CreationDate="2017-01-24T06:27:46.383" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="7277" PostId="4325" Score="0" Text="Actually, the search engines will find sed just fine since they index the answers along with the question. Take [this question](http://unix.stackexchange.com/q/25173/41104) as example. Searching for the title plus &quot;fold&quot; as explicit keyword [returns it as result.](https://www.google.com/search?q=%22fold%22How+can+I+wrap+text+at+a+certain+column+size%3F&amp;ie=utf-8&amp;oe=utf-8)" CreationDate="2017-01-25T05:01:34.597" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="7278" PostId="1432" Score="0" Text="@jasonwryan And, over three years later, we still don't have a [status] or even a comment from an admin. (If I recall correctly, terdon wasn't a moderator yet in 2013.)" CreationDate="2017-01-25T22:04:14.473" UserId="23408" />
  <row Id="7279" PostId="4321" Score="3" Text="Sometimes a spade needs to be called a spade. I see only three entries on your list that I regard as insulting (“asinine”/“stupid”, “low water mark”, and “lazy moron”).  And how “constructive” do you want close reasons to be?  If somebody asks a question here that is not about U&amp;L, is it our job to tell them where they *should* go?  If you go to a book store and say that you want to buy groceries, clothes, or auto parts, they’ll tell you that you’re in the wrong store.  If they give you directions to a suitable outlet, they’re just being nice, going above and beyond what you can really expect." CreationDate="2017-01-26T04:09:52.037" UserId="23408" />
  <row Id="7280" PostId="4322" Score="0" Text="I’m torn by this. On the one hand, I see your point. OTOH, a user who is told, “we won’t do your homework” might learn how the site works and return with better questions, but a user who is called a “lazy moron” might just go away mad. Even [Amy Hoy’s *Help Vampires: A Spotter’s Guide*](http://slash7.com/2006/12/22/vampires) (to which you linked) says, “**Be friendly.**  People and Help Vampires are much more likely to become useful members of the community if they’re met with kindness and encouragement rather than condescension and spite.” (last bullet in list **#2 Cease Enabling Behavior**)." CreationDate="2017-01-26T04:11:31.040" UserId="23408" />
  <row Id="7281" PostId="4321" Score="2" Text="@Scott The list is all recent reasons, not objectionable reasons. You see three too many." CreationDate="2017-01-26T04:12:49.817" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="7282" PostId="4322" Score="0" Text="@Scott of the custom reponses listed in the question, only a handful can actually be considered &quot;disparaging&quot;. Most are actually informative. There are, however, cases where it is reasonable to got *beyond* disparaging. I feel confident that when I have been condescending or insulting, it is entirely justified. Contempt for the community can legitimately be answered with scorn and derision, as far as I am concerned." CreationDate="2017-01-26T05:00:47.957" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="7283" PostId="4322" Score="1" Text="To be clear, again, the list is *everything* from the 30 day pane on the moderator tools, not filtered in any way. Most of them are entirely acceptable. &quot;lazy moron&quot; is not, and should be flagged." CreationDate="2017-01-26T07:02:44.930" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="7284" PostId="4322" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHomer So, one *is* disparaging? Did you bother to look at the question it was attached to? Perhaps you might include that for context?" CreationDate="2017-01-26T07:05:34.390" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="7285" PostId="4322" Score="1" Text="Yes, I did, that was how I flagged it. I don't care what the question is; that message is **explicitly against the rules on multiple points**, on top of its other qualities, and so it should be flagged. There are other unsuitable messages on the list too, and I have seen still more that aren't included." CreationDate="2017-01-26T07:13:49.337" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="7286" PostId="4322" Score="2" Text="Well, I have [captured it for posterity](https://ptpb.pw/SEmu.jpg). Good on you for standing up for the rules; I am more interested (or at least I *was*) in the health of the community..." CreationDate="2017-01-26T07:16:33.630" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="7287" PostId="4325" Score="0" Text="The funny thing is that the [last revision](http://unix.stackexchange.com/posts/336974/revisions) was done to remove the _sed_ tag again with the reasoning _removed irrelevant tag, the question ask for &quot;why the solution doesn't achieve the expected results&quot;_." CreationDate="2017-01-27T15:15:09.487" UserId="40596" />
  <row Id="7288" PostId="4325" Score="1" Text="@fedorqui rolled it back" CreationDate="2017-01-27T15:32:57.003" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="7289" PostId="4334" Score="0" Text="I don't understand how tag badges work, but it seems unlikely that adding a tag to a question would be enough to grant one to someone who otherwise wouldn't earn it. If they have enough credits elsewhere, they likely have one or two iotas to their credit already. According to [this SO blog](https://stackoverflow.blog/2011/06/optimizing-for-pearls-not-sand/), answers have more intrinsic value than questions, so adding tags to reflect the best answer(s) to a question seems proper. Especially if it increases the probability of the Q being found by by searchers in the future." CreationDate="2017-01-29T04:23:55.040" UserId="207673" />
  <row Id="7290" PostId="4334" Score="0" Text="@GypsySpellweaver &quot;I don't understand how tag badges work&quot; read the [help center](https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/tagging): Tags are a means of connecting experts **with questions** they will be able to answer by sorting questions into specific, well-defined categories. Tagging based on answers isn't what they are for. A tag has to reflect the topic of the question you are asking, not the potential, not even, better answers, so that experts on the defined topic can find those questions." CreationDate="2017-01-29T12:05:20.573" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="7291" PostId="4321" Score="0" Text="I'm confused. Is that a list of comments that you think should not be used ?" CreationDate="2017-01-29T19:47:06.897" UserDisplayName="user591" />
  <row Id="7292" PostId="4321" Score="0" Text="@Iain No. (chars)" CreationDate="2017-01-29T19:59:46.040" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="7293" PostId="4321" Score="0" Text="What is it then ?" CreationDate="2017-01-29T21:14:36.077" UserDisplayName="user591" />
  <row Id="7294" PostId="4321" Score="0" Text="@Iain: It's &quot;the current list of custom off-topic close reasons from the last 30 days&quot;, as the question says. I suggest reading that paragraph, and also the comment *immediately preceding* your own." CreationDate="2017-01-29T21:15:50.397" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="7295" PostId="4321" Score="0" Text="Ah yes I completely missed that. Perhaps if you removed the good ones so that people could focus on what's left it would be better to make your point. TL;DR" CreationDate="2017-01-29T21:18:18.357" UserDisplayName="user591" />
  <row Id="7297" PostId="4321" Score="0" Text="@Iain: I didn't want to call out individual reasons specifically, particularly because most or all of them are by one person and I want to address the behaviour, not anybody individually." CreationDate="2017-01-29T21:20:53.177" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="7298" PostId="4321" Score="0" Text="The list is relatively unimportant and only there for the benefit of those who can't access the moderator tools; perhaps I'll just remove it entirely." CreationDate="2017-01-29T21:21:49.957" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="7299" PostId="4321" Score="0" Text="There is nothing wrong with being direct, it gives clarity. If someone offends you call them out don't hide behind pink and fluffy millennial ideas." CreationDate="2017-01-29T21:23:25.357" UserDisplayName="user591" />
  <row Id="7300" PostId="4321" Score="0" Text="@Iain I expected a higher degree of reading competence than has been demonstrated, to be frank." CreationDate="2017-01-29T21:27:21.193" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="7301" PostId="4321" Score="0" Text="Excellent :)  :)" CreationDate="2017-01-29T21:28:20.897" UserDisplayName="user591" />
  <row Id="7302" PostId="4336" Score="0" Text="Then ask on chat. We'd be happy to give our opinions there. Why do you need to ask on the site?" CreationDate="2017-01-31T23:38:56.843" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="7303" PostId="4336" Score="0" Text="I had no idea I could ask on chat, never heard of it ;-) How do I get there?" CreationDate="2017-02-01T00:34:47.137" UserId="56145" />
  <row Id="7304" PostId="4336" Score="1" Text="There's http://chat.stackexchange.com, or, specifically, [chat]" CreationDate="2017-02-01T00:35:57.503" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="7305" PostId="4338" Score="0" Text="This is a demonstration post to indicate how this should look when an ad is posted. It also doubles as your twitter ad, but it's up to you if you wish to promote it by voting" CreationDate="2017-02-02T14:04:33.437" UserId="9541" />
  <row Id="7306" PostId="3854" Score="6" Text="Possible duplicate of [Community Promotion Ads - 2017](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/4337/community-promotion-ads-2017)" CreationDate="2017-02-02T14:51:03.497" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="7307" PostId="4345" Score="3" Text="Clarify &quot;these types&quot;. Questions about factual points of history of UNIX and Linux are welcome, just look at the history tag." CreationDate="2017-02-04T04:05:27.480" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="7316" PostId="4220" Score="0" Text="Any chance of some movement on this? See http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/342089/at-sign-after-shebang where several readers didn't notice that there's a link in the first line of the question." CreationDate="2017-02-08T19:25:30.063" UserId="61098" />
  <row Id="7317" PostId="1300" Score="0" Text="I regularly miss links that are not clearly advertised as links, in part because my eyes are not as good as they used to be. I'd love to have links underlined." CreationDate="2017-02-09T10:36:43.440" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="7318" PostId="4352" Score="1" Text="Close with what option? &quot;Trolling&quot; isn't listed..." CreationDate="2017-02-09T17:02:43.867" UserId="13792" />
  <row Id="7319" PostId="4327" Score="1" Text="If I could get all my Qs, or all my As in one list, I could use my browser's search to look for term without having to hit the server with a request for each term and page through results looking for the *one* I think I remember." CreationDate="2017-02-09T18:03:14.547" UserId="207673" />
  <row Id="7320" PostId="4352" Score="9" Text="@choroba &quot;Unclear what you're asking&quot; is probably best" CreationDate="2017-02-09T18:59:13.263" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="7321" PostId="4352" Score="0" Text="It seems to have happened again: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/344826/print-string-after-final (I cannot see it because I have &lt;10K reputation). Could the question be left as it was in the beginning, without deleting it? It is a basic question but it can be useful." CreationDate="2017-02-14T09:34:33.480" UserId="40596" />
  <row Id="7322" PostId="4352" Score="0" Text="@fedorqui It happens dozens of times a day, and many of them are deleted when the spam accounts are, so trying to comb through them to find good questions is low reward. If someone who actually needs help has a problem, they'll post the same question again (although I suspect that one is already posted; as you said it's pretty basic)" CreationDate="2017-02-14T16:35:26.223" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="7323" PostId="4349" Score="0" Text="I agree that history questions are interesting, and often useful. In this particular instance it wasn't obvious to me that the historical aspects were directly relevant to the *answer* — I had focused on the practical aspects (because they answered part of the question, and I didn't have an answer to the first part of the question)." CreationDate="2017-02-14T19:11:52.253" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="7325" PostId="4345" Score="0" Text="You might find [Retro-computing SE](http://retrocomputing.stackexchange.com) interesting!" CreationDate="2017-02-14T19:55:51.900" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="7326" PostId="4352" Score="0" Text="@MichaelMrozek oh, if it happens dozens of times a day I completely understand a full deletion. No problem, I just hope this troll gets tired soon, since the community is acting quite hard on this." CreationDate="2017-02-14T21:46:38.420" UserId="40596" />
  <row Id="7328" PostId="4337" Score="0" Text="Noob question: is it allowed to suggest a community ad related to a project I developed?" CreationDate="2017-02-16T00:40:34.820" UserId="84179" />
  <row Id="7330" PostId="4337" Score="0" Text="@AndreaLazzarotto if it's relevant to the site there should be nothing wrong with that." CreationDate="2017-02-16T21:58:12.330" UserId="28893" />
  <row Id="7331" PostId="4343" Score="0" Text="wanna post this on [ubuntu.se] too? I like it. https://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/16682/community-promotion-ads-2017" CreationDate="2017-02-16T21:58:38.470" UserId="28893" />
  <row Id="7332" PostId="4343" Score="0" Text="@Seth Done. You could just have copied it." CreationDate="2017-02-16T22:01:00.467" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="7333" PostId="4343" Score="0" Text="Since it was your work I figured I'd give you a chance. Otherwise I would have :)" CreationDate="2017-02-16T22:05:15.207" UserId="28893" />
  <row Id="7334" PostId="4358" Score="0" Text="Yeah, so I suck at composing screenshots. Better ad welcome." CreationDate="2017-02-16T23:10:38.787" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="7335" PostId="4343" Score="0" Text="@Seth It isn't my work at all! The image is by Brendon Rapp, it's from the slide deck I link to. I've just posted an image I made — you can see the difference between someone with visual skills and me." CreationDate="2017-02-16T23:11:45.857" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="7336" PostId="4358" Score="0" Text="+1 just for the xeyes" CreationDate="2017-02-17T17:51:05.767" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7338" PostId="4358" Score="0" Text="Sorry, I had to downvote for the old-GNOME style theme... it makes eyes hurt. :(" CreationDate="2017-02-19T19:14:43.777" UserId="84179" />
  <row Id="7339" PostId="4358" Score="0" Text="@AndreaLazzarotto But as you can see from the foreground window, I'm in the process of changing themes! (Is that the old-Gnome theme? I had no idea. Why does it make eyes hurt???)" CreationDate="2017-02-19T19:41:34.617" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="7340" PostId="4358" Score="0" Text="Well, it was a bit tongue-in-cheek but I guess probably I am just picky about themes. Now for a more serious feedback, IMHO your banner is way too crowded. My 2 cents suggestion would be to post another version with less elements and less text. :)" CreationDate="2017-02-19T19:45:29.733" UserId="84179" />
  <row Id="7345" PostId="4337" Score="0" Text="@AndreaLazzarotto sure, if people don't like it, it won't be upvoted. It's quite common actually. For example, mattdm is the Fedora project leader and has posted a few Fedora-related ads, and Ole Tange is the maintainer of GNU parallel and has posted an add about that excellent tool. Since both Fedora and GNU Parallel are very much on topic here, those adds are welcome and tend to be upvoted every year." CreationDate="2017-02-19T21:32:14.610" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7346" PostId="4337" Score="0" Text="Thank you guys, I've posted one." CreationDate="2017-02-19T22:02:41.290" UserId="84179" />
  <row Id="7347" PostId="4312" Score="1" Text="The first question, AWS-cli, while off topic for U&amp;L, is perfect for [Web Applicataions](http://webapps.stackexchange.com/) under the `/amazon-ec2` tag. The email question is now, for me, a 404 page, so I can only guess, but it might have been on topic there too. Or, if it was from a web master point of view, then it might have fit on [Pro Webmasters](http://webmasters.stackexchange.com/), which also deals with AWS hosting." CreationDate="2017-02-20T10:22:08.070" UserId="207673" />
  <row Id="7348" PostId="4365" Score="1" Text="Spam flags already have extreme effects.  Search around on meta.stackexchange.com; you'll find out." CreationDate="2017-02-21T22:18:05.550" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="7349" PostId="4365" Score="1" Text="@Wildcard Sadly none of them apply if the troll just deletes his account and comes back a few minutes later as another user, as we're seeing lately." CreationDate="2017-02-22T06:53:40.583" UserId="117516" />
  <row Id="7350" PostId="4365" Score="0" Text="@wildcard -- current spam flags are 1 thing, &quot;spam&quot; flags as marked under new system wouldn't need to have same weight or be &quot;same&quot; as current ones.  This was a spam flag as proposed for a counter to ask more human questions -- not necessarily for other penalties." CreationDate="2017-02-22T22:03:04.553" UserId="37521" />
  <row Id="7351" PostId="4365" Score="0" Text="@SatoKatsura -- do you know if they are from the same ip or ip-range?" CreationDate="2017-02-22T22:04:04.810" UserId="37521" />
  <row Id="7352" PostId="4352" Score="0" Text="Aren't deleted accounts part of the problem in that the &quot;lamers&quot; are simply moving on to a different/new account?" CreationDate="2017-02-22T22:06:38.640" UserId="37521" />
  <row Id="7353" PostId="4312" Score="0" Text="@GypsySpellweaver thanks, didn't realize that web applications questions could be also CLI." CreationDate="2017-02-23T06:12:01.547" UserId="17056" />
  <row Id="7354" PostId="4366" Score="0" Text="The OP deleted it. Apparently, it is their moronic MO." CreationDate="2017-02-23T06:19:20.903" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="7355" PostId="4366" Score="1" Text="@jasonwryan does you comment suggest that the OP has posted a Q, gotten As, and then deleted the Q, this time and other prior occasions? Is that allowed after an answer is posted?" CreationDate="2017-02-23T07:05:00.263" UserId="207673" />
  <row Id="7356" PostId="4365" Score="0" Text="@Astara Sorry, I'm way too low on the totem pole to have access to that kind of information. :) If I were to speculate though, they don't seem particularly knowledgeable.  I'd be surprised if they made any attempt to hide their real IP." CreationDate="2017-02-23T07:24:06.160" UserId="117516" />
  <row Id="7357" PostId="4366" Score="0" Text="@GypsySpellweaver That is what it looks like to me. The question was deleted by Community, which presumably means someone marked it as a dupe and the OP agreed with it." CreationDate="2017-02-23T07:29:19.410" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="7358" PostId="4366" Score="0" Text="@jasonwryan What happens, then to the rep the OP got, if any, from upvotes? In the wind, or kept anyway?" CreationDate="2017-02-23T07:31:36.060" UserId="207673" />
  <row Id="7359" PostId="4366" Score="0" Text="@GypsySpellweaver I don't know; I am pretty sketchy on the administrative details of the site (I may have the above wrong). A mod will likely provide an authoratitive answer in time." CreationDate="2017-02-23T07:37:40.447" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="7360" PostId="4366" Score="0" Text="@jasonwryan How did you find out that the OP deleted it as opposed to a moderator deleting it or another reason? Is a certain amount of rep required?" CreationDate="2017-02-23T07:55:01.540" UserId="143394" />
  <row Id="7361" PostId="4366" Score="1" Text="@TomHale Yes, I can see the deleted questions, and why they were deleted. You can read on the main meta how Community deletes questions." CreationDate="2017-02-23T08:00:55.647" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="7362" PostId="4366" Score="0" Text="@GypsySpellweaver All rep changes, positive or negative, for both the OP and the people that answered, are undone." CreationDate="2017-02-23T08:24:08.033" UserId="117516" />
  <row Id="7363" PostId="4366" Score="1" Text="@jasonwryan [When can't I delete my own post?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5221/how-does-deleting-work-what-can-cause-a-post-to-be-deleted-and-what-does-that) says that a question can't be deleted when it has an upvoted answer.  I got at least +35 for my answer so it was definitely upvoted... How was the deletion possible given this?" CreationDate="2017-02-23T08:25:25.360" UserId="143394" />
  <row Id="7364" PostId="4366" Score="0" Text="@TomHale I don't know (like I said, I don't pay attention to the administrative minutiae), but I *guess* it was because Stephané marked it as a dupe and he has gold for that tag." CreationDate="2017-02-23T08:29:07.917" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="7365" PostId="4366" Score="1" Text="@TomHale The OP is a well-known troll, he deletes his questions after receiving answers so that nobody else can benefit from them (at least that's what he claimed at some point).  Personally I'd speculate this is a new form of homework automation, and the OP wants to maintain plausible deniability..." CreationDate="2017-02-23T08:29:14.657" UserId="117516" />
  <row Id="7367" PostId="4366" Score="1" Text="I've raised the conflict at [Question deleted with upvoted answer](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/291423/question-deleted-with-upvoted-answer)" CreationDate="2017-02-23T08:45:41.877" UserId="143394" />
  <row Id="7368" PostId="4366" Score="1" Text="@SatoKatsura The first part, his claim, seems totally contrary to the mission of SE. The speculation seems like it ought to get him banned. Maybe it'll get mod attention." CreationDate="2017-02-23T08:46:11.197" UserId="207673" />
  <row Id="7369" PostId="4366" Score="0" Text="@SatoKatsura Is there anything we could point a mod to (eg this claim)? I'm pretty sour about a +30 answer being deleted, and would gladly flag this." CreationDate="2017-02-23T08:49:50.953" UserId="143394" />
  <row Id="7370" PostId="4366" Score="1" Text="What's going on is actually more complicated, this clown edits his posts to political nonsense, this triggers downvotes, and _then_ the post gets deleted.  Or something like that.  At least one of the mods is aware of the problem.  I have no idea what (if anything) is done about it.  Just like you, I'm on the receiving side of it all." CreationDate="2017-02-23T08:59:00.027" UserId="117516" />
  <row Id="7372" PostId="4365" Score="0" Text="_If_ that is the case, why wouldn't using that information help in detecting creation of alt-accounts for further enforcement or examination?  At least, examination to see how useful using that data would be for automatic enforcement.   Of course, people *can* get around anything, including geo-blocking, BUT, it's a matter of increasing the difficulty level until its no longer an attractive entertainment source for them" CreationDate="2017-02-23T19:48:45.257" UserId="37521" />
  <row Id="7403" PostId="4352" Score="0" Text="@Astara deleting accounts ensures the users can't accumulate enough reputation to do real damage on the site." CreationDate="2017-02-27T14:24:58.633" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="7404" PostId="4370" Score="1" Text="There are also a bunch of [tag:fedora25] [tag:fedora24] etc." CreationDate="2017-02-27T17:15:58.693" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="7405" PostId="4352" Score="0" Text="Ah, but in deleting the account, you let them know they need to create another.  Suppose the account were flagged to either not accumulate points or that its points were not usable to generate new privileges (2nd option might take longer for them to recognize the problem).  Other, options become available if they continue using the same account... like having their responses and/or questions only be visible from their own account, so no one else would be bothered by them.... etc...depends on how creative one wants to get..." CreationDate="2017-02-27T18:46:51.930" UserId="37521" />
  <row Id="7406" PostId="4352" Score="0" Text="@Astara The thing you're describing is typically called shadowbanning; Jeff Atwood referred to it as hellbanning when he talked about it in relation to Stack Exchange on his [blog](https://blog.codinghorror.com/suspension-ban-or-hellban/) back in 2011. So it's been considered, but I don't think it's ever really been close to actually happening" CreationDate="2017-02-28T05:20:49.403" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="7407" PostId="4380" Score="2" Text="And they're gone!" CreationDate="2017-02-28T06:19:04.657" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="7408" PostId="4381" Score="0" Text="I don't really understand what you are asking. Who would you explain it to?" CreationDate="2017-02-28T13:30:51.120" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7409" PostId="4370" Score="0" Text="@mattdm slow grind for those" CreationDate="2017-02-28T13:49:40.700" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="7410" PostId="4381" Score="0" Text="I read for a few days http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/questions/3717/should-we-discourage-people-that-delete-their-question-after-they-receive-an-ans?s=11|0.3466   In my case there were no answers or comments.  I know from other forums only Mod's can delete questions. and it must be a good reason for that. So I was a little bit surprised and confused.  Sorry." CreationDate="2017-02-28T14:46:44.153" UserDisplayName="user192526" />
  <row Id="7411" PostId="4381" Score="0" Text="No need to apologize! I'm just trying to understand what your issue is :) As Michael explained below, you usually can delete your own posts with no difficulty. The exception is when that post has upvoted answers." CreationDate="2017-02-28T14:51:20.427" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7412" PostId="4382" Score="0" Text="Is deleting possible with an excepted answer? I know I am a little bit snoopy. I was in a german Forum in Team. And there were no way that someone can delete his question  especially it was marked as solved. It  	contradicts the idea of share." CreationDate="2017-02-28T15:21:18.793" UserDisplayName="user192526" />
  <row Id="7413" PostId="4382" Score="0" Text="thank's for clearing my mind Michael Mrozek :D" CreationDate="2017-02-28T15:30:33.057" UserDisplayName="user192526" />
  <row Id="7414" PostId="4382" Score="1" Text="@Bahamut The complete list is in [this post](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/5222/145982), under &quot;When _can’t_ I delete my own post?&quot;. I updated this answer" CreationDate="2017-02-28T15:30:35.453" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="7415" PostId="4352" Score="0" Text="@MichaelMrozek -- shadowbanning -- neat term.  hellbanning carries more of a malevolent connotation, IMO.." CreationDate="2017-02-28T19:59:15.647" UserId="37521" />
  <row Id="7416" PostId="4370" Score="0" Text="Question from ignorance: why a slow grind? [terdon merged them previously](http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/a/3144/117549); I assume it was an O(1) operation on his part...?" CreationDate="2017-03-01T00:57:03.573" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7417" PostId="4370" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller we, as community, can handle it. We don't need mom and dad every time we need to clean something up." CreationDate="2017-03-01T02:07:05.643" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="7418" PostId="4370" Score="0" Text="I don't doubt we can do it -- I've made several smaller-scale efforts to clean up some tags; I just wondered if there was an easier, more-direct way to do it. If manually re-tagging is &quot;it&quot;, I'm happy to help." CreationDate="2017-03-01T03:15:04.560" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7419" PostId="4370" Score="1" Text="Manually re-tagging is &quot;it&quot; — at least for 10k+ users inline tag editing makes it less painful (especially with the Fedora tags; just backspace over the last two characters, then hit space and enter)." CreationDate="2017-03-01T08:25:12.533" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="7420" PostId="4367" Score="1" Text="The tags have been merged." CreationDate="2017-03-01T10:45:50.247" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7421" PostId="4380" Score="2" Text="fedora25 is clear; soon, fedora24!" CreationDate="2017-03-01T22:46:46.573" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7422" PostId="4370" Score="0" Text="fedora24 and fedora25 are emptied out as of this moment" CreationDate="2017-03-02T00:24:00.280" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7423" PostId="4380" Score="2" Text="[tag:fedora24] is clear! W00t!" CreationDate="2017-03-03T12:48:39.843" UserId="81848" />
  <row Id="7424" PostId="4370" Score="0" Text="[tag:fedora23] has been cleared out" CreationDate="2017-03-04T17:44:51.210" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7425" PostId="4370" Score="0" Text="[tag:rhel7] has been cleared out" CreationDate="2017-03-04T18:48:45.863" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7426" PostId="4384" Score="0" Text="This question appears to be off-topic for UNIX &amp; Linux. Given it's really asking for help with the c/c++ module for Nginx I've migrated it to Stackoverflow." CreationDate="2017-03-06T06:39:04.350" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="7427" PostId="4384" Score="0" Text="Thank you. Hope someone will be able to help me :)" CreationDate="2017-03-07T00:12:32.763" UserId="98471" />
  <row Id="7428" PostId="4383" Score="2" Text="Good idea.  The SuperUser post has some Windows-specific data that obviously shouldn't be included over here, though." CreationDate="2017-03-07T05:05:18.067" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="7429" PostId="4370" Score="0" Text="Is the next step to have a moderator merge the tags?" CreationDate="2017-03-08T12:06:37.407" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7430" PostId="4370" Score="0" Text="I'm disturbed by the assumption that questions are unanswered because of their low quality." CreationDate="2017-03-08T12:21:32.867" UserId="27719" />
  <row Id="7431" PostId="4370" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller no, the tags are no more. As long as they aren't recreated (if you have 10k check the new tags tool) we are done." CreationDate="2017-03-08T12:28:59.787" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="7432" PostId="4370" Score="0" Text="@TomášZato I didn't address the quality of the questions..." CreationDate="2017-03-08T12:29:47.237" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="7433" PostId="4370" Score="0" Text="Could they be recreated, though? Just trying to keep things clean." CreationDate="2017-03-08T12:30:01.307" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7434" PostId="4370" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller as long as someone has the privilege, but there's a warning." CreationDate="2017-03-08T12:33:07.417" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="7435" PostId="4350" Score="0" Text="go, go, go ...." CreationDate="2017-03-09T22:34:54.653" UserId="105997" />
  <row Id="7437" PostId="4386" Score="0" Text="@hyph um. OK. Done" CreationDate="2017-03-10T09:12:21.617" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7438" PostId="4387" Score="1" Text="Still new here, so I can't say if it's an &quot;accepted practice&quot; on U&amp;L, or SE in general with any clout. I can, however, concur with your choice, and how you handled it. It does seem to be ill advised to post a hot link like that, and it's not needed for the question at all. The endpoint of that link could become the target of DMCA take-down and become a dead link here, which makes even the title of the book unavailable in the question. My take is that it was a good call." CreationDate="2017-03-11T01:51:22.243" UserId="207673" />
  <row Id="7439" PostId="4388" Score="3" Text="Please don't do this! If you want to post a canonical answer, post an actual answer. Don't just give a link to some other site. I deleted your answer since it wasn't actually answering the question, it was only indicating where an answer might be found. While your suggestion here makes sense, you need to write an actual *answer*. So, you could use the answer on SU to write your own, for example." CreationDate="2017-03-11T14:17:07.437" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7440" PostId="4383" Score="0" Text="Sorry, I seem to have missed this discussion. I just noticed it today. As I explain in my answer, while posting an *answer* is a great idea, posting a link to the SU answer is not. Please don't do that." CreationDate="2017-03-11T14:29:23.040" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7441" PostId="1099" Score="0" Text="It seems to me that if you _genuinely_ believe a question or answer to be a good question or answer, upvoting is not unwarranted.  The reasons you are reading the questions and answers are immaterial, so long as the reasons for the _votes_ are honest.  I would say the same thing about downvoting." CreationDate="2017-03-12T17:51:55.537" UserId="20246" />
  <row Id="7442" PostId="4390" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the detailed answer, but I don't think that the fourth link upon which you expounded was particularly pertinent, because it was not a link-only answer that I was talking about.  Rather, in someone else's question, they simply hotlinked to a complete PDF copy of a book.  Not even to make a citation, but simply by way of reference to what the questioner happened to be reading at the time.  There wasn't a copyright violation in the question _per se_, but rather a seemingly non-apropos link to such a violation that will in time likely be a dead link, and wasn't integral to the quiestion" CreationDate="2017-03-12T21:09:04.383" UserId="20246" />
  <row Id="7443" PostId="4390" Score="0" Text="@DopeGhoti - I think that it does apply since we'd use the same litmus test as to whether enough of the referenced material was pulled into the answer to make it tolerant to the sources going away. If it's tolerant than perhaps we can look for an alternative, if it needs to have more pulled in, depending on how it's pulled into the answer would have some say as to whether it's violating CR or not. &#xA;&#xA;If it's just a link as a reference then I'd either find an alternative that isn't a copyright violation or leave it as is." CreationDate="2017-03-12T21:12:57.553" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="7444" PostId="4390" Score="0" Text="But literally nothing _from_ the linked book (other than its title) were included in the question.  Which all leads back to my original question:   was I right in my edit to remove the link to the book as I did in my linked edit, or should I leave such links if I see them in the future, notwithstanding other factors?" CreationDate="2017-03-12T21:15:48.430" UserId="20246" />
  <row Id="7445" PostId="4390" Score="0" Text="@DopeGhoti - I would've handled exactly like you did as well. This is how I approach it for the reason that it's a potential source that will likely go away, better to link to more permanent and potentially legal source when you can or drop it completely." CreationDate="2017-03-12T21:17:04.657" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="7446" PostId="4390" Score="1" Text="I see.  Thanks kindly for the feedback and confirmation that we're on more or less the same page.  If you'll forgive the pun." CreationDate="2017-03-12T21:17:46.313" UserId="20246" />
  <row Id="7447" PostId="4390" Score="0" Text="@DopeGhoti - rimm shot 8-)" CreationDate="2017-03-12T21:18:06.153" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="7448" PostId="1099" Score="0" Text="@DopeGhoti: I think your answer reflects the way things ***should be***, but since there are probably automated systems to mark something as serial voting, things may not be the way the ***should be***." CreationDate="2017-03-14T21:24:20.163" UserId="3358" />
  <row Id="7449" PostId="4389" Score="0" Text="I think I'm in a right direction, even if it has some flaws. I understand you're kind to newbies, and your answer, which is really instructive and detailed,  is absolutely correct in general. (Thanks!) Let me examine the problems of the current situation. (SU = superuser.com; USE = unix.stackexchange.com)" CreationDate="2017-03-15T12:02:28.277" UserId="190880" />
  <row Id="7450" PostId="4389" Score="1" Text="BTW I guess by &quot;dupe target&quot; you mean &quot;the reference destination for duplicate questions.&quot; But the word &quot;dupe&quot; has the meanings related to deceit, so that expression should be avoided. (I was misled for days.)" CreationDate="2017-03-15T12:02:38.663" UserId="190880" />
  <row Id="7451" PostId="4389" Score="0" Text="1. The repeated questions are not specific to Unix at all. (Not only hardware-wise, but they should also test it on Win or Mac.) One natural option is to migrate them to SU, but its not best, because (i) there continues to be users who seek an answer in USE. Then to allow them searching USE, we should keep the (repeated and reference) questions in USE, and (ii) if they were got deleted, housekeeping would be cumbersome each time; you have to locate the SU question, going back and forth between SU and USE, for the sake of migration. Simply marking them as duplicate is much easier." CreationDate="2017-03-15T12:02:52.910" UserId="190880" />
  <row Id="7452" PostId="4389" Score="0" Text="2. It's right that you shouldn't give a pair of the &quot;canoncal&quot; question and answer for each FAQ. That would destroy the benefits of stackexchange, which is probably the consequence of the system, such that those who wonder ask, and other reply. (Intervene least, and let it evolve spontaneously. «Lessez-faire», so to say.) OTOH a &quot;canonical&quot; Q&amp;A is a summarized, imaginary (or fake) one." CreationDate="2017-03-15T12:03:19.197" UserId="190880" />
  <row Id="7453" PostId="4389" Score="0" Text="3. Although it will deviate from the general rule, my intention is to keep the answer minimal, by just being the pointer to the canonical answer in SU, and mention &quot;it's not specific to Unix.&quot; You can add some extra information. I think it's what we have to compensate, by not migrating to SU. - remember that if we give another full-fledged answer, it'll be a fork, a split, or unnecessary segregation from SU; improvments in SU won't be reflected to USE." CreationDate="2017-03-15T12:03:38.553" UserId="190880" />
  <row Id="7455" PostId="4389" Score="0" Text="4. The repeated questions already have confused comments and answers, including accepted ones. So simply adding a canonical answer to an exsiting question does not immediately mean that the question and the answer will become a good reference one. (And the questions are unnecessaily lengthy in many cases; I don't feel like forcing those who have asked another repeated question to read them.) These are why I think bwDraco considered to take an exceptional course; and s/he first asked a meta question in SU." CreationDate="2017-03-15T12:04:55.563" UserId="190880" />
  <row Id="7456" PostId="4389" Score="0" Text="5. It's indeed possible to follow the conventional way for our FAQ. To that end, you have to examine all the 7 existing questions I mentioned above; add a canonical answer to the best suitable one; first comment to the rest as &quot;possible duplicate&quot;; wait some time; once it's mature enough, so that the answer has enough upvotes and it's clear the rest can be deemed duplicate, then fianlly flag them as duplicate; and close my question, too." CreationDate="2017-03-15T12:05:20.057" UserId="190880" />
  <row Id="7457" PostId="4389" Score="0" Text="6. If someone can take this burden, IMO extra burden, it's great. (Please declare so before your action.) Unlike SU, there's only seven questions in USE, being manageable. But sorry, don't count me in. (I've already spared some of my time.) 7 I can't come up with a solution better than my original one. As for making it a community wiki, I'll follow you. (Maybe a moderator wants to convert the question itself to a wiki.)" CreationDate="2017-03-15T12:06:51.350" UserId="190880" />
  <row Id="7459" PostId="4389" Score="0" Text="@teikakazura the main point here is that a link to something else is not an answer. In fact, it is the most common type of [Not An Answer](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/225370/203101). So if you want to write something like this, great, but please write an actual answer. Oh, and sorry about *dupe*! That is a common term for *duplicate* in the Stack Exchange network and I hadn't considered that it might be confusing. Thanks for pointing it out." CreationDate="2017-03-15T22:28:03.600" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7460" PostId="4389" Score="0" Text="I understand what you mean, but what you cited - that meta issue indeed is rationale - is a link to an external source, while what I propose points to a *real* answer. It's an alternative to migration to SU; simply it's like a redirect / proxy (in ordinary sense, like delegate), so to say. /  And I wonder if you perhaps agree with the disadvantage of forking? Assume you copied the SU answer, and wrote &quot;copied from this SU answer. Check it since may have updates, because it is far more frequently viewed than the copy here&quot; It woudln't make sense." CreationDate="2017-03-19T07:40:23.710" UserId="190880" />
  <row Id="7461" PostId="4389" Score="0" Text="Having a &quot;canonical&quot; summary Q&amp;A will anyway make an exception from the standard stackexchange method. So I think we shouldn't have both canonical Q&amp;A altogether (then probably it's best migrate all to SU), or make a canonical question and a bare-bones pointer answer. / I think we're nearly boiling down. I believe in your experience, and maybe I'll respect your next answer. Thanks a lot for your vigilance. :)" CreationDate="2017-03-19T07:40:31.440" UserId="190880" />
  <row Id="7462" PostId="4389" Score="0" Text="@teikakazura each Stack Exchange site is independent of the others. None of these questions would be migrated to SU, they are on topic here. While I, personally, would love to see a system allowing the linking of questions between separate SE sites, such a system does not exist and, therefore, answering a question with a link to another site (even an SE site) is absolutely not an answer. Other SE sites *are* external resources. So, again, if you really want to do this, just copy the relevant bits of the SU answer and post them here. Then, provide a link back to the SU answer for attribution." CreationDate="2017-03-19T14:36:52.860" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7463" PostId="4394" Score="1" Text="This is probably better to post on the meta side of this SE website since it's a question about the website itself. In general, though Stack Exchange websites are ran on a volunteer basis. Sometimes people are going to know how to answer your question, other times not. Sometimes there'll be someone who knows the answer but doesn't want to write up a response, etc, etc. It's free support so you take what you get. That question might have gotten more visibility if you had deleted the U&amp;L question and posted it to Stack Overflow which specializes in programming related questions." CreationDate="2017-03-20T18:55:45.827" UserId="34520" />
  <row Id="7464" PostId="4394" Score="2" Text="Stack Overflow also has a lot more users, so the odds of finding a knowledgeable person who feels like responding is probably better. U&amp;L wasn't that bad of a choice but you can see people voting to close it because building java apps is usually a skill unto itself regardless of the platform you're on." CreationDate="2017-03-20T18:56:51.757" UserId="34520" />
  <row Id="7465" PostId="4394" Score="0" Text="@Bratchley Thank you for the reply. Your comments have what I wanted to know." CreationDate="2017-03-20T19:07:11.070" UserId="202519" />
  <row Id="7468" PostId="4396" Score="1" Text="Currently, no, there is not." CreationDate="2017-03-21T12:21:15.817" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="7469" PostId="4395" Score="0" Text="Thank you. This is a very helpful answer." CreationDate="2017-03-22T00:44:06.337" UserId="202519" />
  <row Id="7470" PostId="9" Score="0" Text="Presumably, if the user is on a Windows system and has a CPAN problem, he wouldn't think to _ask_ it on a &quot;Unix &amp; Linux&quot; site. He might, however, find the answer he needs here via Google, which does fit into the idea of being a quality Q&amp;A site. If the user says they're on Windows, then cote to close, otherwise CPAN questions seem like a good choice." CreationDate="2017-03-22T00:51:06.220" UserId="207673" />
  <row Id="7472" PostId="2947" Score="0" Text="What do you mean by your first sentence? Most SE sites have a close reason of the form “This question belongs on another site in the Stack Exchange network”; on Unix.SE, this allows questions to be migrated to SO or Meta." CreationDate="2017-03-23T12:28:30.800" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="7473" PostId="2947" Score="2" Text="@StephenKitt. &quot;belongs on&quot; != &quot;fits better on&quot;. If a question is on topic here, then it's on topic here, regardless of whether it might be &quot;even more on topic&quot; somewhere else." CreationDate="2017-03-23T12:30:32.503" UserId="1548" />
  <row Id="7474" PostId="2947" Score="0" Text="Ah right, that makes sense, thanks." CreationDate="2017-03-23T12:34:12.380" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="7475" PostId="4387" Score="0" Text="FWIW, I agree with your action.  Sometimes I link to https://www.safaribooksonline.com/home/ for individual books, since technical books are *often* available on there (though not free), and if you *do* have an account (or if you sign up for a free trial), you can see the book directly and legally.  But the book in this case is not published on that site." CreationDate="2017-03-24T02:32:08.720" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="7476" PostId="4389" Score="0" Text="'Kay, I'm not convinced, but I follow you. Wait a bit. (Sorry for migration issue. I though I've seen many migrated instances in other stackexchage sites.) Thanks for discussion." CreationDate="2017-03-24T05:15:15.537" UserId="190880" />
  <row Id="7477" PostId="4389" Score="0" Text="@teikakazura I didn't say migration is impossible. I said that we (and all other SE sites) don't migrate away things that are on topic." CreationDate="2017-03-24T09:08:17.927" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7479" PostId="4400" Score="0" Text="except that in an answer box, you can hit the enter key. In a comment box, if you try that, you submit your comment ;-)" CreationDate="2017-03-27T16:29:47.713" UserId="118526" />
  <row Id="7480" PostId="4386" Score="0" Text="You should read [RFC5737](https://tools.ietf.org/search/rfc5737): &quot;IPv4 Address Blocks Reserved for Documentation&quot;. It lists three ranges that can safely be used in documentation and examples, and which are probably preferable over IP addresses that are invalid (456 and 789 cannot be described in 8 bits, and 123/8 is probably assigned to someone)" CreationDate="2017-03-27T16:35:58.470" UserId="118526" />
  <row Id="7481" PostId="4400" Score="0" Text="In the following comment, I use “tick” and “slash” as shorthand for “backtick” and “backslash”, because it’s very close to the 600 character limit as it is." CreationDate="2017-03-27T19:14:42.087" UserId="23408" />
  <row Id="7482" PostId="4400" Score="0" Text="The bigger problem is that formatting works differently in posts (Qs and As) versus comments — particularly when you want to format special characters `as code`. In a post, you need to use `\`\` \` \`\`` (tick tick space tick space tick tick) to get a tick in code format (`\``), but that doesn’t work in comments, where you must use `\`\⁠\`\`` (tick slash tick tick). Backslashes are almost as bad; `\`\⁠\`` (tick slash tick) in a post will get you a code-formatted backslash (``\``), but this doesn’t work in comments.  Luckily, `\`\`\⁠\`\`` (tick tick slash tick tick) works in either place." CreationDate="2017-03-27T19:14:54.490" UserId="23408" />
  <row Id="7483" PostId="4400" Score="1" Text="Also, HTML-isms like `&lt;code&gt;` and `&amp;#96;` will work in posts but not comments." CreationDate="2017-03-27T19:15:50.943" UserId="23408" />
  <row Id="7484" PostId="4400" Score="0" Text="And, yes, getting the above comment formatted correctly was very difficult. Warning: Gödel’s Incompleteness Theorem applies — the above comment does not contain (explain) all the information that you need to know to ***create*** the above comment.  Warning #2: if you copy and paste the above comment, you may get some characters that you weren’t expecting (non-displaying characters).  These may give you clues as to how I created the above comment." CreationDate="2017-03-27T19:16:04.400" UserId="23408" />
  <row Id="7491" PostId="4404" Score="1" Text="Wrong Meta... Not an issue on U&amp;L. And how hard is it really to go to the top of the page? Most browsers have a single action for that, typically &lt;kbd&gt;Home&lt;/kbd&gt;." CreationDate="2017-04-01T21:59:13.873" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="7492" PostId="4407" Score="1" Text="thanks for taking the time for pointing these out to me. I was looking at the tool-tips for the vote buttons, hoping to see the keyboard shortcut mentioned." CreationDate="2017-04-04T07:44:05.147" UserId="127903" />
  <row Id="7493" PostId="4409" Score="1" Text="Some posts will become [tag:untagged]. What do we do about those?" CreationDate="2017-04-04T11:08:17.840" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="7494" PostId="4409" Score="0" Text="@muru I don't think so, actually. the only untagged questions are all historical, off topic ones that are fine to remain untagged. If there were any questions tagged with only &quot;career&quot;, they have already been retagged." CreationDate="2017-04-04T11:18:57.530" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7495" PostId="4409" Score="0" Text="Maybe a caching issue, but: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/249252/what-is-the-difference-between-lfcs-and-lpic, http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/3438/what-jobs-are-out-there-for-nix-geeks, http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/2341/shell-script-certification" CreationDate="2017-04-04T11:21:42.827" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="7496" PostId="4409" Score="0" Text="@muru eeek! Sorry, I got confused and was looking at [tag:careers] instead of [tag:career]." CreationDate="2017-04-04T11:24:55.920" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7497" PostId="4409" Score="2" Text="@muru We don't remove the tag by editing the questions, but by deleting them." CreationDate="2017-04-04T11:59:11.530" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="7498" PostId="4409" Score="0" Text="@Gilles O.o I didn't edit any of the questions involved." CreationDate="2017-04-04T12:01:05.390" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="7499" PostId="4408" Score="0" Text="[previously](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/225/what-jobs-are-out-there-are-career-questions-on-topic)" CreationDate="2017-04-04T12:47:16.353" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7500" PostId="4401" Score="0" Text="Thanks for your replies. The Formating Sandbox is nice." CreationDate="2017-04-07T08:58:16.733" UserDisplayName="user192526" />
  <row Id="7502" PostId="4413" Score="10" Text="I'd personally welcome an edit like that on one of my answers. And BTW, one of our mods has restored your edit." CreationDate="2017-04-10T17:51:51.333" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="7503" PostId="4414" Score="1" Text="Maybe a better editing link: http://unix.stackexchange.com/help/editing" CreationDate="2017-04-10T17:54:49.700" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7504" PostId="4414" Score="1" Text="I'd really love to help improve this answer, but I can't think of any *code* to add that could make it any better. :-p :-D" CreationDate="2017-04-11T06:43:00.637" UserId="18910" />
  <row Id="7505" PostId="4414" Score="4" Text="@tudor: `if (spelling_errors.count() &gt; 0) spelling_errors.fix();`?    :-)    ⁠" CreationDate="2017-04-11T18:27:13.950" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="7506" PostId="225" Score="0" Text="What's the [meta-tag:top-7] tag on this question for?" CreationDate="2017-04-12T11:13:15.140" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="7507" PostId="225" Score="2" Text="Predates me, but maybe a reference to https://stackoverflow.blog/2010/07/10/the-7-essential-meta-questions-of-every-beta/?" CreationDate="2017-04-12T23:52:13.133" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7508" PostId="225" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller yes, comparing with [AU](http://meta.askubuntu.com/tags/top-7) seems to confirm that" CreationDate="2017-04-13T03:00:02.747" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="7509" PostId="4414" Score="0" Text="@G-Man well, that's a 'shocker'. :)" CreationDate="2017-04-13T14:16:46.293" UserId="204942" />
  <row Id="7510" PostId="4218" Score="0" Text="Is there any progress on this?" CreationDate="2017-04-13T15:27:14.163" UserId="172520" />
  <row Id="7511" PostId="4414" Score="0" Text="I tend to agree with this, except that I like to respect the author's wishes (which ultimately [did not happen](https://unix.stackexchange.com/posts/283528/revisions) in this case); at the point the author disagrees, well, I can add a new question [referencing](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/a/4414/8503) their answer." CreationDate="2017-04-13T16:53:31.460" UserId="8503" />
  <row Id="7512" PostId="4413" Score="2" Text="@derobert and it's been reverted again. Maybe a [community answer](https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/359311/100397) will help, by leaving the original author's post untouched but providing a space for the examples to live." CreationDate="2017-04-16T13:50:10.760" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="7513" PostId="4417" Score="3" Text="The web is a morass of perverse incentives and bad actors. So much squandered promise." CreationDate="2017-04-17T09:14:22.343" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="7514" PostId="4417" Score="5" Text="[Attribution Required](https://stackoverflow.blog/2009/06/25/attribution-required/)." CreationDate="2017-04-17T09:16:27.140" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="7515" PostId="4417" Score="1" Text="I’m not sure they’re interested in pushing a new service or competing with StackExchange; they seem to just copy content from a variety of sources and add advertising on it..." CreationDate="2017-04-17T11:43:03.167" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="7516" PostId="4417" Score="1" Text="@StephenKitt As Michael correctly pointed out, they copy content from a variety of sources, *without* attribution. And actually go out of their way to deface the name of the original authors too." CreationDate="2017-04-17T12:24:48.077" UserId="138261" />
  <row Id="7517" PostId="4417" Score="4" Text="@Rui I wasn’t disagreeing with Michael, just pointing out that their main aim seems to be advertising, not building a good service. (So they’re even more despicable than your question would lead one to believe.)" CreationDate="2017-04-17T12:38:34.850" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="7518" PostId="4417" Score="3" Text="(the 5 minute limit for editing comments for non-native speakers like me is too short...it is annoying seeing there the grammar errors and not being able to fix them)" CreationDate="2017-04-17T13:28:39.190" UserId="138261" />
  <row Id="7519" PostId="4418" Score="1" Text="Thanks, I had never ever tried &quot;Contact us&quot;, and there is indeed an option &quot;Stack content is being reproduced without attribution&quot;." CreationDate="2017-04-17T19:41:28.627" UserId="138261" />
  <row Id="7520" PostId="4414" Score="0" Text="@jpaugh I created a [community answer](https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/359311/100397) on the question." CreationDate="2017-04-18T22:56:05.890" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="7521" PostId="4414" Score="0" Text="@jpaugh if the author objects to an edit which clearly improves their answer, then the author's wishes begin to be irrelevant. This edit was a clear improvement and didn't in any way deviate from the original, it only added to it." CreationDate="2017-04-19T10:31:22.100" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7522" PostId="4414" Score="0" Text="@terdon but when one gets into an &quot;edit - reversion&quot; fight it's a pointless situation. Easier to side-step it, surely." CreationDate="2017-04-19T20:26:49.447" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="7523" PostId="4414" Score="2" Text="@roaima oh yes, absolutely. Never get into edit wars! Posting a CW answer is the best thing a user could do. I just wanted to clarify that the edit was good and if the edit was good and the OP dislikes it we'd generally keep the edit regardless." CreationDate="2017-04-19T21:02:34.217" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7524" PostId="4414" Score="0" Text="@terdon *&quot;...if the author objects to an edit which clearly improves their answer, then the author's wishes begin to be irrelevant...&quot;*&#xA;&#xA;Spoken like a true tyrant. You are not fit to be a moderator." CreationDate="2017-04-20T10:07:35.983" UserId="170676" />
  <row Id="7525" PostId="4414" Score="7" Text="@Yokai I suggest you take some time to visit the site help center or the [main meta](http://meta.stackexchange.com) and peruse similar discussions. If you object to edits that improve your post, you are not going to be happy here. Posting an answer on SE means you give everyone the right to modify it. If that bothers you, this is really not the site for you." CreationDate="2017-04-20T10:09:13.823" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7526" PostId="4414" Score="2" Text="Perhaps https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/editing is useful." CreationDate="2017-04-20T10:14:04.457" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7527" PostId="4413" Score="7" Text="Just so you know: your edit was *great*. Precisely the sort of edit that we want and encourage. The OP doesn't understand how the site works, but please keep doing this sort of work, it is very appreciated!" CreationDate="2017-04-20T10:22:13.553" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7529" PostId="4419" Score="8" Text="Yokai, you have now confused me. You are arguing that _your_ post is _your_ idea and the community should leave it as you want it. In support of that you provide a quote from R. Stallman. If I understand that quote, and the rest of what he said about it, that single quote, as applied to your logic, make you the _tyrant_, not @terdon amd the community. Incidentally, when you posted that, you licensed it to the community, and _they_ can do anything they want with it. Even make it _worse_ if they want to. You stated the stone rolling down the hill, but that boulder is no longer in your control." CreationDate="2017-04-21T05:40:47.870" UserId="207673" />
  <row Id="7530" PostId="4419" Score="0" Text="@GypsySpellweaverI am not understanding how I am making myself the tyrant here when I pretty clearly pointed out that the reasoning for my reverting edits is because I hate spoonfeeding. I provided enough information, as well as features of the tool, for the OP to get his/her task completed. Then others sought to undermine my intent and method fo helping rather than making their own answer post referencing the tool I mentioned. I am not the bad guy here. The moderators and spoiled asshats, wanting spoonfeeding, are." CreationDate="2017-04-21T07:01:41.180" UserId="170676" />
  <row Id="7531" PostId="4419" Score="0" Text="And for the record, providing the tool I mentioned to the OP *WAS* my idea. No one else suggested it." CreationDate="2017-04-21T07:02:20.693" UserId="170676" />
  <row Id="7532" PostId="4414" Score="0" Text="@terdon Might I deny your suggestion and recommend you keep suggestions that aren't useful to yourself. You aren't helping anything. Just leave it alone moderator." CreationDate="2017-04-21T07:05:19.943" UserId="170676" />
  <row Id="7536" PostId="4419" Score="7" Text="Once you submit answer, it is no longer yours. Community is free to improve it in any reasonable way it want instead of endlessly duplicating information in new answer just to stroke your overblown ego." CreationDate="2017-04-21T09:28:41.497" UserId="20139" />
  <row Id="7537" PostId="4419" Score="9" Text="Let me cite https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/editing for you: Editing is important for keeping questions and answers clear, relevant, and up-to-date. If you are not comfortable with the idea of your contributions being collaboratively edited by other trusted users, **this may not be the site for you**." CreationDate="2017-04-21T09:31:47.967" UserId="20139" />
  <row Id="7538" PostId="4423" Score="0" Text="The answer has been downvoted into oblivion (-4), so low rep users won't see it, or the comments attached to it. Yours is still there." CreationDate="2017-04-22T05:16:25.023" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="7539" PostId="4423" Score="0" Text="@jasonwryan I actually changed things in the last minute or two, sorry. I'm posting an explanation now" CreationDate="2017-04-22T05:16:59.337" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="7540" PostId="4423" Score="0" Text="@jasonwryan Considering that user's attitude to the site's normal operation, oblivion is probably where the answer (comment more likely) belongs anyway. But knowing I _did_ post my comment is reassuring." CreationDate="2017-04-22T05:20:14.810" UserId="207673" />
  <row Id="7541" PostId="4424" Score="0" Text="¡Ay, caramba! Oblivion may be too good for that half-answer after all. Anyway, now I _do_ see my comment, and it's ...rebuttal? Thanks for the info too. I never would've thought of that tactic. Don't plan to use it either, to weird for my tastes.  (_Oh, the joys of being a mod._)" CreationDate="2017-04-22T05:26:52.120" UserId="207673" />
  <row Id="7542" PostId="4423" Score="0" Text="BTW, @jasonwryan, am I seeing the oblivioned post because I have a comment on it, or because I have a direct link, or just because I'm paying attention to the &quot;ghost&quot; text?" CreationDate="2017-04-22T05:30:20.757" UserId="207673" />
  <row Id="7545" PostId="4266" Score="0" Text="You might also appreciate my answer to [What to do with mediocre edits ... ?](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4280/23408#4282)" CreationDate="2017-04-23T06:32:30.207" UserId="23408" />
  <row Id="7546" PostId="4421" Score="2" Text="The only thing that makes it a &quot;low quality&quot; question is the missing info on what version of Fedora is used. I'll agree that it's a &quot;level entry&quot; issue though, but by assuming good intent, one must assume that some effort has gone into looking for a solution and answer accordingly without judgement. This is my personal opinion at least." CreationDate="2017-04-23T09:36:04.050" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="7548" PostId="4418" Score="1" Text="Cool. Once in a blue moon, I come across such sites while using Duck Duck Go but I just assumed there wasn't much anyone could do about them." CreationDate="2017-04-23T22:42:59.847" UserId="22812" />
  <row Id="7551" PostId="4429" Score="0" Text="Thank you for the tip. I'll continue to ask. I never take it personally when I frame a question wrong, or too broad, or it's off topic for the format. I understand fully, that the format is the format, and for good reason. When you want to know the answer to &quot;How do I X?&quot; you want the answer to be in the form of, &quot;You do Y.&quot; And this is the forum for that. The StackExchange forums serve that purpose better than any other technical forums, or Q&amp;A sites I've found, hands down. It's been an incredible gift, and an invaluable asset. I'll give the chat a shot, and keep searching. Thanks again." CreationDate="2017-04-24T13:55:00.040" UserId="80706" />
  <row Id="7552" PostId="4419" Score="3" Text="Wow! The OP donated you a code sample, letting you benefit from all the potential rep the improvement could bring, and instead of being grateful you just sent him away, summoning an angry mob of downvoters instead? This takes style!" CreationDate="2017-04-24T14:12:21.797" UserId="106927" />
  <row Id="7553" PostId="4413" Score="0" Text="@roaima Why not let the OP create an answer? That would give him the rep he deserves." CreationDate="2017-04-24T14:17:53.477" UserId="106927" />
  <row Id="7554" PostId="4419" Score="1" Text="@DmitryGrigoryev Careful. Although Yokai has a viewpoint that many disagree with, this is a valid answer and this is on-topic for meta. Whilst you are agreeing with the viewpoint of many other users and the site founders, sarcasm is often perceived as very aggressive." CreationDate="2017-04-24T17:02:06.693" UserId="129690" />
  <row Id="7555" PostId="4419" Score="1" Text="@wizzwizz4 I know it's a valid answer, I didn't flag it as NAA or anything. I really don't understand why the OP did that, that's why I asked. And how exactly is &quot;This takes style&quot; very aggressive, while **this may not be the site for you** and **stroke your overblown ego** are not?" CreationDate="2017-04-24T17:16:53.760" UserId="106927" />
  <row Id="7556" PostId="4419" Score="0" Text="@DmitryGrigoryev I'm deliberately not passing judgement on the user because what can be said has been said. I'm sorry for the confusion; I probably meant &quot;passive-aggressive&quot;, not &quot;aggressive&quot;. You might want to look at the user's profile." CreationDate="2017-04-24T18:28:00.060" UserId="129690" />
  <row Id="7557" PostId="4428" Score="0" Text="Depending on the issue, in addition to the rooms mentioned by @tripleee below, there's also the [Root Access](http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/118/root-access) chat room from the Super User stack where problems are frequently tackled. Either directly in the room, or by spawning a new room just for that dialog." CreationDate="2017-04-25T03:09:43.453" UserId="207673" />
  <row Id="7558" PostId="2708" Score="1" Text="The [tag:bash] tag on Stack Overflow has a [tag wiki](//stackoverflow.com/tags/bash/info) with a collection of common questions.  Not all of them are &quot;canonical&quot; in the strict sense, but the list there works well to find a quick dupe for many common problems." CreationDate="2017-04-25T07:14:19.240" UserId="19240" />
  <row Id="7559" PostId="4433" Score="2" Text="I think it was a good edit, and I would've approved it. I believe that is the aim for all SE sites, to make _the_ answer the best it can be. Then again, I'm still relatively new here too, and each site does have it's own culture as well. Of the other two options, I'd go with a new answer and rather than copy the other one reference it with a link, typing something like `[Huygens' excellent answer](http​://​https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/68081/207673) then move on to explain your results, and symptoms, and add in your fix to the code. That give more room, and better formatting, than comments." CreationDate="2017-04-26T06:26:38.450" UserId="207673" />
  <row Id="7560" PostId="4433" Score="5" Text="I, too, would have approved it, as it's good additional information." CreationDate="2017-04-26T10:49:27.810" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7561" PostId="4433" Score="0" Text="I would probably have rejected the edit. It's structured in a way that doesn't fit with the existing answer. Either a more refined edit (for example, just the first sentence) or posting your own answer where you can take the space you need to explain the caveats of this special case would be better." CreationDate="2017-04-26T20:19:38.470" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="7562" PostId="4433" Score="3" Text="I am also leery of adding entirely new information to existing accepted or highly-voted answers that then can't be vetted through the voting system as part of the edit queue - as an edit reviewer I'm not positioned to judge if it's right or not." CreationDate="2017-04-26T20:21:23.067" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="7563" PostId="4433" Score="1" Text="@MichaelHomer well, how do you believe authors should be able to edit their own posts?" CreationDate="2017-04-26T23:12:54.267" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="7564" PostId="4433" Score="4" Text="@MichaelHomer If you can't judge if it's right or not, the correct button is **Skip**, not Reject. Reject is for when you *can* judge if it's right or not, and you judge that it's not right." CreationDate="2017-04-26T23:28:56.223" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="7565" PostId="4433" Score="0" Text="Then the correct button is *always* skip for those sorts of change. You can't judge what the existing voters think of it and the edit queue is not the place for doing so." CreationDate="2017-04-26T23:40:56.857" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="7566" PostId="4433" Score="5" Text="@MichaelHomer The existing votes have nothing to do with this. As a reviewer, your job is to review correctness, scale and style." CreationDate="2017-04-26T23:49:02.120" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="7567" PostId="4433" Score="0" Text="@Gilles And that is precisely why I am uncomfortable with that system." CreationDate="2017-04-26T23:52:02.023" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="7568" PostId="4433" Score="0" Text="&quot;Scale&quot;, though, is a pretty good summary of the major problem with most of those sorts of edits (this one is borderline, but [this recent case](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4413/editing-an-answer-to-add-code-example-and-then-it-was-reverted) really was too large-scale - just post an answer!)." CreationDate="2017-04-26T23:53:50.890" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="7569" PostId="4433" Score="3" Text="@MichaelHomer [Editing is a fundamental aspect of Stack Exchange](https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/editing)." CreationDate="2017-04-27T00:04:46.013" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="7570" PostId="4433" Score="0" Text="@Gilles, I'm not rejecting the concept of editing (and you well know it). I just don't think this was a terribly *good* edit." CreationDate="2017-04-27T00:09:59.627" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="7571" PostId="4433" Score="3" Text="The bullet-pointed list in the article you link sets out a very good set of suitable edits, for example, **with the appropriate caveats in place**: &quot;minor&quot;, &quot;without *changing* that meaning&quot;, &quot;spelling mistakes&quot;, etc." CreationDate="2017-04-27T00:12:16.213" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="7572" PostId="4435" Score="0" Text="Without seeing actual examples, I'm hesitant to give an answer; but self-answering is fine and encouraged as such.  Do these posts get upvoted or downvoted, or just ignored?" CreationDate="2017-04-27T10:44:40.843" UserId="19240" />
  <row Id="7573" PostId="4435" Score="0" Text="@tripleee Sometimes they are upvoted, sometimes &quot;accepted&quot; by them self - but not always, never downvoted that I've seen." CreationDate="2017-04-27T10:51:27.883" UserId="28317" />
  <row Id="7574" PostId="4435" Score="0" Text="Self-accept is part of the self-answering game. As far as upvotes are concerned, if you think there is voting fraud involved, flag for mod attention (maybe link to this question)." CreationDate="2017-04-27T11:06:14.703" UserId="19240" />
  <row Id="7575" PostId="4435" Score="1" Text="I don't think having a useful discussion is possible without providing the name. I'm also a little curious - I don't know of anyone who fits this description." CreationDate="2017-04-27T11:42:37.277" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="7576" PostId="4435" Score="2" Text="I've noticed a couple from Rui, but as long as it seems like an actual problem they encountered, with a non-obvious solution, I don't see how it's harmful. If the Q is useful to someone else, they'll (possibly) upvote it; if not, no real harm." CreationDate="2017-04-27T13:40:02.240" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7577" PostId="4434" Score="1" Text="As the answer author I also agree with you. The edit is complementary." CreationDate="2017-04-27T20:00:43.603" UserId="2613" />
  <row Id="7578" PostId="4437" Score="0" Text="Thank you (and the others) for taking the time to educate me on matter and to point me in the right direction in relation to the docs. It is clear that is behaviour is more than excepted, it is encouraged. I have no proof that sock puppets are used for upvotes, just that obscure topics or issues are getting an upvote almost immediately - which it may well do." CreationDate="2017-04-28T06:23:25.097" UserId="28317" />
  <row Id="7579" PostId="4437" Score="1" Text="Please raise a flag if you're concerned about sock puppet voting and we (mods) can investigate it. In the flag you can make a comment that only we'll see." CreationDate="2017-04-28T06:24:40.743" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="7580" PostId="4417" Score="1" Text="@RuiFRibeiro at least you have the excuse of not writing in your native language to fall back on. How do you think we feel? Anyway, since I feel your pain, I fixed the errors :)" CreationDate="2017-04-28T11:24:43.370" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7581" PostId="4437" Score="0" Text="There has been question and answers posted that more or less amounts to advertising. I downvote these unless it's of general interest. At the moment, I can't find the questions that I'm thinking of, so I assume they were deleted in the end." CreationDate="2017-04-28T11:54:09.263" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="7582" PostId="4417" Score="0" Text="@terdon thanks." CreationDate="2017-04-28T16:15:29.233" UserId="138261" />
  <row Id="7583" PostId="4417" Score="1" Text="Ironically, with correct attribution it wouldn't even violate the terms. What baffles me is that this post actually shows up in the top search results." CreationDate="2017-04-29T01:12:10.507" UserId="172520" />
  <row Id="7585" PostId="4417" Score="0" Text="&quot;SEO&quot;? IMO this is way they are scrapping content in the first place." CreationDate="2017-04-29T07:54:04.450" UserId="138261" />
  <row Id="7586" PostId="4417" Score="1" Text="See [A site (or scraper) is copying content from Stack Exchange. What do I do?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/200177/310998)" CreationDate="2017-04-29T12:34:08.667" UserId="133309" />
  <row Id="7587" PostId="4434" Score="3" Text="Nitpick: &quot;best to just add a link to an online copy of the man page&quot; not sure about that. The online man page will not necessarily reflect the version and implementation the OP happens to have on their machine. It is often better to give `man command` since then the OP will always find the correct manual. Teaching a man to fish and all that." CreationDate="2017-04-29T15:32:48.347" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7588" PostId="4434" Score="3" Text="@terdon Not every reader will be in front of the appropriate system. I generally prefer to link to the relevant documentation, with a warning if there are important differences between versions or between platforms, which there aren't in this case." CreationDate="2017-04-29T15:55:33.343" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="7590" PostId="4418" Score="3" Text="@AnthonyGeoghegan I regularly come across these sites, although I do tend to search for them. DuckDuckGo tends to find things that other search engines don't - perhaps it's due to their static, unbiased algorithm (that is susceptible to certain types of &quot;SEO&quot;)." CreationDate="2017-04-30T15:41:02.407" UserId="129690" />
  <row Id="7591" PostId="4435" Score="0" Text="This is explicitly encouraged by the rules.  Some highly knowledgeable users put it to good use by writing mini-disertations about one subject or another.  Two random examples: [this post](https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/85249/why-not-use-which-what-to-use-then), and [this](https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/293149/what-did-the-sticky-bit-originally-do-when-applied-to-files)." CreationDate="2017-05-02T08:03:11.787" UserId="117516" />
  <row Id="7592" PostId="4421" Score="2" Text="When I once answered a very entry level question, I got shot to pieces by people saying I was doing it for the rep. Stackexchange has a nasty habit of double standards with one side usually being okay helping newer people out in a softer way, and the other side ready to downvote any post showing a minor fallacy to hell." CreationDate="2017-05-02T09:16:22.650" UserId="137415" />
  <row Id="7593" PostId="4421" Score="0" Text="I clicked your link to the question and got [this](https://i.imgur.com/krbuqdS.png). :/" CreationDate="2017-05-02T09:32:06.137" UserId="18887" />
  <row Id="7594" PostId="4438" Score="2" Text="I, too, have wondered this. Maybe scripting could cover python, awk, perl, and other languages that aren't typically login shells like ksh, zsh, bash, etc?" CreationDate="2017-05-02T15:21:50.460" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7595" PostId="4438" Score="1" Text="@JeffSchaller They've not been used consistently. Similar questions are either /shell-script + /bash and /scripting + /bash." CreationDate="2017-05-02T15:51:59.703" UserDisplayName="user147505" />
  <row Id="7596" PostId="4438" Score="1" Text="Agreed, which is why I upvoted your Q and wondered about possible usage guidance." CreationDate="2017-05-02T16:28:48.583" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7597" PostId="4438" Score="1" Text="@JeffSchaller If I were to vote for a solution, I'd go for a merge under the /scripting or /script banner. Shell scripts need a specifying tag describing the interpreter. So do non-shell scripts. I'd add this directive to the tag's usage info. Otherwise they will be cross-misused both ways." CreationDate="2017-05-02T16:38:33.817" UserDisplayName="user147505" />
  <row Id="7598" PostId="4440" Score="0" Text="Please [edit] your question and describe what the problem is, what browser you are using and on what OS. Then, if this is a bug, also add the [bug] tag." CreationDate="2017-05-03T15:01:39.200" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7599" PostId="4440" Score="2" Text="@terdon It looks as if the line spacing alters on mouseover, or it's due to the thin line that gets inserted between the links, and that makes them &quot;dance&quot;. I see this too in Chrome on Windows." CreationDate="2017-05-03T19:05:51.030" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="7600" PostId="4440" Score="1" Text="@Kusalananda yes, so do I, but if the devs are to look at this it would be helpful if the problem were explicitly described and the software needed to reproduce it mentioned." CreationDate="2017-05-03T21:49:16.973" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7601" PostId="4441" Score="5" Text="Yes, yes you have seen it! So have I and I thought I must have had a userscript or something that I've since removed. Thanks for confirming I'm not entirely gone yet!" CreationDate="2017-05-03T21:51:01.210" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7602" PostId="4441" Score="0" Text="It may be related to https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/292100/213575" CreationDate="2017-05-04T03:58:03.117" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="7603" PostId="4440" Score="0" Text="@terdon There I edited my question and *explained* what is happening..." CreationDate="2017-05-04T07:04:19.817" UserId="53070" />
  <row Id="7604" PostId="4442" Score="2" Text="I think you managed to quote the help center and gloss over the most important point: _Edits are expected to be substantial and to leave the post better than you found it._  Instead, you seemed to focus on an odd interpretation of a list of common (note it doesn't say exhaustive) reasons people edit posts.  Your rejection reason is largely nonsensical: I was not addressing the author of the post and of course the change does make sense as an edit.  The information I added makes less sense on it's own; adding it as a separate answer merely fragments useful information and frustrates readers." CreationDate="2017-05-04T21:00:10.770" UserId="153792" />
  <row Id="7605" PostId="4389" Score="0" Text="I posted a &quot;real&quot; answer." CreationDate="2017-05-06T07:42:54.807" UserId="190880" />
  <row Id="7606" PostId="4449" Score="4" Text="The question made the Hot Network Questions list. That's why it got so many views and votes." CreationDate="2017-05-06T09:26:01.637" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7607" PostId="4445" Score="1" Text="By the way, the `-name` and `-iname` tests of `find` take [shell globs, not regular expressions](https://unix.stackexchange.com/q/46436/22222) as I found out on this very site." CreationDate="2017-05-06T09:30:46.867" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7609" PostId="4445" Score="0" Text="@Kusalananda yeah, I know but until posting the question I linked to above a few years ago, I was not entirely clear on the difference between shell globs and regular expressions and thought that `-name` and friends could also take regexes." CreationDate="2017-05-06T09:36:56.613" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7611" PostId="4449" Score="0" Text="I humbly ask - How?..." CreationDate="2017-05-06T12:53:44.900" UserDisplayName="user149572" />
  <row Id="7612" PostId="4449" Score="2" Text="@Benia How it got into the &quot;Hot Network Questions&quot; list? See here: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4766/how-are-questions-in-the-hot-tab-selected" CreationDate="2017-05-06T12:57:27.240" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="7613" PostId="4216" Score="0" Text="In addition, the typeface used in the &quot;U&amp;L&quot; logo has bad [kerning](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerning) between &quot;U&quot; and &quot;n&quot; in &quot;Unix&quot;. I'll just leave this here..." CreationDate="2017-05-07T06:31:34.783" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="7614" PostId="4433" Score="1" Text="FWIW, IMHO, the &quot;This edit was intended to address the author of the post and makes no sense as an edit.&quot; rejection reason is being grossly over-used." CreationDate="2017-05-07T22:26:39.327" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="7616" PostId="646" Score="0" Text="­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­" CreationDate="2017-05-08T02:15:41.157" UserId="162551" />
  <row Id="7617" PostId="730" Score="0" Text="`a­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­ ­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­ ­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­ ­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­ ­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­ ­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­ ­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­ ­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­ ­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­ b`" CreationDate="2017-05-08T02:17:02.983" UserId="162551" />
  <row Id="7618" PostId="4437" Score="3" Text="Fun fact — You, @slm, with over 50 self-answers, appear to be one of the most prolific U&amp;L users in that category." CreationDate="2017-05-08T19:44:20.417" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="7619" PostId="4435" Score="0" Text="Every few months I see a self-answered question that bothers me because it’s too trivial — not as bad as (hypothetically) “How can I list the files in a directory?” or “How can I search for a string in a file?”, but about things that, IMHO, are widely known.  It seems unlikely to me that anybody would ever do a search for such information (but, who knows?  they might).  I generally just ignore these (i.e., no vote, no flag) — but I haven’t noticed a pattern of many of them from a single user.  If I did, I might start downvoting, or maybe VTCing as too broad." CreationDate="2017-05-08T19:44:53.320" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="7620" PostId="4446" Score="0" Text="We can merge and make tag synonyms, although I'm not sure what the right tags should be. Theoretically tags with a version number are specific to that version, but I'd guess that's not how they're used much of the time. If the KDE tags include non-Plasma stuff then having four separate tags might be right" CreationDate="2017-05-08T21:49:20.290" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="7621" PostId="4446" Score="0" Text="@MichaelMrozek I just found it odd that in theory, a question relating to Plasma 5 could (should?) be tagged with four tags. Also, a broader question, but what are tags really for? Are they to let potential users track future questions in which they might be interested? If so, then presumably most people who are interested in KDE would also be interested in Plasma. So I guess Plasma could probably be removed?" CreationDate="2017-05-08T23:30:34.620" UserId="18887" />
  <row Id="7622" PostId="4455" Score="1" Text="By the way, I just mentioned your question to one of our local Debian experts and I edited it to try and make it clearer (that might also be a reason why you didn't get many reactions). So I suggest you wait a little while, there may be an answer coming now." CreationDate="2017-05-09T11:23:13.630" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7628" PostId="4462" Score="1" Text="About turning it into a story: Don't go overboard with this. I personally find it a bit tedious having to read several paragraphs of unrelated details. Short and concise is better, but obviously with reasoning, expectations, results etc. included." CreationDate="2017-05-11T09:49:39.050" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="7633" PostId="4449" Score="7" Text="I'd offer that the 2nd question buries its own lede. It sounds like a gripe about tabs (&quot;don't want to use tabs&quot;) in a file format that is well known to depend on tabs for syntax. But it's _really_ a question about cross-platform server provisioning. It's a classic case of an XY problem." CreationDate="2017-05-11T12:46:26.670" UserId="73256" />
  <row Id="7634" PostId="4462" Score="0" Text="@Kusalananda - agreed, don't give them every twist/turn about how you've been working the issue. My main point with saying &quot;tell a story&quot; is to provide meaningful contexts around your issue." CreationDate="2017-05-11T12:46:59.447" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="7636" PostId="4448" Score="8" Text="Images being non-editable is a small problem. Images being non-searchable is the big problem. (Also: being non-accessible and non-quotable.)" CreationDate="2017-05-11T20:57:21.680" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="7637" PostId="4449" Score="0" Text="@ssdecontrol, indeed. On a related point, the first question also has a couple of downvotes (+11/-3)." CreationDate="2017-05-11T22:54:01.147" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="7638" PostId="4467" Score="0" Text="That is duplicate due my mistake(I not sure which one is best version of same question) , but still no any really useful answer,so now I want only merge that two question." CreationDate="2017-05-13T16:32:48.370" UserId="230141" />
  <row Id="7639" PostId="4467" Score="1" Text="@illiterate what do you mean &quot;merge&quot;? One is already closed. If any information from that one is missing from the other one, edit it and add the missing information." CreationDate="2017-05-13T16:42:41.463" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7640" PostId="4467" Score="2" Text="@illiterate I cast the first duplication vote. I chose to mark the older as the duplicate of the newer question since the newer question had an upvoted answer but the older had none." CreationDate="2017-05-13T20:27:11.300" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="7641" PostId="4449" Score="1" Text="@ssdecontrol, that's a good answer (to this Meta question); you should post it as such." CreationDate="2017-05-13T22:19:04.260" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="7642" PostId="4449" Score="0" Text="@Wildcard I'm not sure it really answers the question. Feel free to work it into your own." CreationDate="2017-05-14T00:35:42.387" UserId="73256" />
  <row Id="7643" PostId="4470" Score="2" Text="There's also the risk of https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/asking-rate-limited but I can't put my finger on the details." CreationDate="2017-05-14T02:29:09.993" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7645" PostId="4470" Score="0" Text="[downvotes and bans](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/227291/307535) -- one breadcrumb on meta" CreationDate="2017-05-15T00:24:00.170" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7655" PostId="4473" Score="7" Text="If that's the case, then they shouldn't be publishing it to the world under CC-BY-SA or MIT licenses." CreationDate="2017-05-15T12:06:23.420" UserId="2465" />
  <row Id="7656" PostId="4448" Score="2" Text="This is one of the kinds of examples where I often feel disappointment at not being able to vote up *an edit* to a post. The best you can do at that point is to find some other post by the same person that you like and offer a bounty towards it, but that's not the same thing." CreationDate="2017-05-15T12:07:38.993" UserId="2465" />
  <row Id="7657" PostId="4473" Score="0" Text="They published a form that technically limits indexing, and unless there is value for others to be gained from making it indexable, why vandalize that intent?" CreationDate="2017-05-15T12:58:19.890" UserId="142027" />
  <row Id="7658" PostId="4473" Score="4" Text="Of course there is value for others to be gained from making it indexable: **It allows others to find the question, if it deals with an error that someone else is experiencing.** IANAL, but to my mind, neither CC-BY-SA nor MIT restrict derivative works to those that would be considered to have &quot;additional value&quot; *by the person making the original version available*. If they absolutely do not want the text in the image to be found by searching, it would be simple to just *point this out as a deliberate choice* and **request** it not be transcribed." CreationDate="2017-05-15T13:05:39.617" UserId="2465" />
  <row Id="7659" PostId="4473" Score="0" Text="I'm not talking about the legal but community-stuff-ish acceptability here." CreationDate="2017-05-15T15:57:21.297" UserId="142027" />
  <row Id="7660" PostId="4476" Score="0" Text="Odd, as I mentioned, I tried lang-sh, and it did the same thing for me... I'll have to try again when I'm back at a computer." CreationDate="2017-05-15T19:32:03.600" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="7661" PostId="4476" Score="0" Text="@derobert I figured you got distracted by &quot;Documents&quot; still being wrong and didn't check the comment at the end. This is what I get with `lang-sh`: https://i.stack.imgur.com/ivo7j.png" CreationDate="2017-05-15T19:33:27.143" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="7662" PostId="4476" Score="0" Text="could be, will have to check once I'm not on a phone" CreationDate="2017-05-15T19:35:27.033" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="7663" PostId="4476" Score="0" Text="Turns out you're right—I was indeed distracted by the broken highlight of Documents." CreationDate="2017-05-15T20:33:50.470" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="7664" PostId="4476" Score="0" Text="Bug reported: https://github.com/google/code-prettify/issues/489" CreationDate="2017-05-15T20:48:33.537" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="7665" PostId="4449" Score="1" Text="and now this question is on the Hot Network Questions..." CreationDate="2017-05-16T00:06:13.770" UserId="167124" />
  <row Id="7666" PostId="4468" Score="4" Text="Your analogy fails when other people also want to eat the same piece of meat." CreationDate="2017-05-17T07:03:01.997" UserId="18887" />
  <row Id="7667" PostId="4473" Score="7" Text="Then the answer is even clearer: the community (very strongly) dislikes text posted as an image since that makes our life much harder. We can't edit, we can't search, we can't copy to test on our local machines." CreationDate="2017-05-17T09:45:58.820" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7668" PostId="4448" Score="0" Text="I agree wholeheartedly with the &quot;thank you.&quot;  I will say, though, that sometimes the question with a screenshot should be closed in the first place for other reasons—and when the reason is &quot;problem went away when a typo was fixed&quot; then a transcription can *obscure* the fact.  Copy and paste by OP of the question is preferable.  But, if the question is going to stay around, I **love** that someone is taking the time to make it readable/browsable!  :)" CreationDate="2017-05-18T07:05:11.413" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="7669" PostId="4479" Score="4" Text="The site could (be changed to) let you select an answer now but have the score not apply for a few hours/days/weeks.   In any event, sometimes there are answers where the highest voted one is not the official answer but it's pretty clear which one is more helpful to most people.  Sometimes the person asking the question doesn't know that the answer they selected is wrong/inferior." CreationDate="2017-05-18T10:23:15.627" UserDisplayName="user13757" />
  <row Id="7670" PostId="4472" Score="1" Text="I am not sure what you are asking, but a perfect answer requires very good readability. Specifically with regards to English grammar, as non-native speakers, and there are a lot of those visiting these pages, often have trouble making sense of ungrammatical posts (such as yours)." CreationDate="2017-05-18T22:11:54.897" UserId="33055" />
  <row Id="7671" PostId="4480" Score="0" Text="I've been meaning to pin this down better, myself. Any queue in particular, or all of them?" CreationDate="2017-05-19T01:38:16.650" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7672" PostId="4480" Score="1" Text="You can look at past reviews in each queue by clicking &quot;recent reviews&quot; on the main review page and then, oddly, [further picking &quot;history&quot; from the tabs in the top-right](https://unix.stackexchange.com/review/first-posts/history). It shows you past reviews of posts &amp; what people chose for each one (but doesn't include Skip). It's a bit hidden away, and it's not especially best practices but rather &quot;practices&quot;." CreationDate="2017-05-19T02:44:30.060" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="7674" PostId="4482" Score="0" Text="This is the wrong Meta site for this question; *\*nix* here refers to all OSes ending in *nix*, so Linux and UNIX, etc. as well as many other Unix-like OSes." CreationDate="2017-05-19T03:31:35.113" UserId="61118" />
  <row Id="7675" PostId="4482" Score="1" Text="Side note asking non-researched Q on any SE site would likely lead to downvotes - https://www.bing.com/search?q=what+star+nix+means - gives - https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-unix-and-*nix" CreationDate="2017-05-19T03:32:13.883" UserDisplayName="Alexei Levenkov" />
  <row Id="7676" PostId="4480" Score="1" Text="@MichaelHomer is  rep a factor? I only see my own reviews with your link." CreationDate="2017-05-19T05:00:57.407" UserId="143394" />
  <row Id="7677" PostId="4480" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller I'd like to learn best practices for all queues as they'll be different. My guess is that if people were well trained in queue processing, they would do it a lot more. I feel stoopid and leave it to others... probably just like everyone else. Perhaps a badge for completing a tutorial?" CreationDate="2017-05-19T05:05:20.103" UserId="143394" />
  <row Id="7678" PostId="4480" Score="3" Text="[Apparently yes](https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/privileges/moderator-tools) - that's unhelpful." CreationDate="2017-05-19T05:05:54.803" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="7679" PostId="4480" Score="1" Text="...so viewing `The full history of reviews by all users in any /review queue` privilege comes at 10K. Would there be any disadvantages of allowing full history of the earned review queues as soon as they are earned?" CreationDate="2017-05-19T05:13:41.337" UserId="143394" />
  <row Id="7680" PostId="4468" Score="0" Text="It still holds:  If the chef serves a turkey whole, you should send it back.  This is the same for questions that are improperly formatted." CreationDate="2017-05-19T17:04:07.200" UserId="220935" />
  <row Id="7681" PostId="4448" Score="0" Text="I would imagine that transcriptions are useful for blind users too; Screen-reading software probably isn't great at reading text in pictures." CreationDate="2017-05-19T22:16:16.850" UserId="172556" />
  <row Id="7682" PostId="4468" Score="0" Text="Again, your analogy fails. The turkey/question is not for a single person to eat. The patron/answerers are not paying the chef/questioner, and don't expect a commodity for their money. Maybe have a look at the [introduction](https://unix.stackexchange.com/tour) to U&amp;L, `we're working together to build a library of detailed answers to every question about Unix or Linux`. This site is not only about helping individuals, but about creating good questions and good answers as a resource for future readers." CreationDate="2017-05-19T23:31:00.967" UserId="18887" />
  <row Id="7683" PostId="4448" Score="0" Text="@Hydraxan14 indeed and that's one of the reasons mentioned in [the main meta post](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4086) about this which is linked in the OP." CreationDate="2017-05-20T11:46:29.203" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7684" PostId="4480" Score="0" Text="I'm drafting up an &quot;Answer&quot; based on my own reviewing process, but I'm not sure how to Answer this question, as different people may approach the review queues differently, and I wouldn't intend for my ideas to reflect a community consensus or best practice.  I'm wondering about splitting out the historical examples and recommended reading parts as their own meta Qs, and possibly having separate Answers here for each queue -- or even separate meta Q's -- so that a consensus could be reached for each queue." CreationDate="2017-05-21T21:51:27.877" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7685" PostId="4480" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller A discussion, in separate meta Q's by queue, would be most helpful. While a consensus may, or may not, be reached, the discussion itself will help. The very lack of a consensus will even help to show that varied opinions still work to keep the community healthy. :D" CreationDate="2017-05-22T03:54:32.437" UserId="207673" />
  <row Id="7686" PostId="4484" Score="0" Text="They do, afaict. For example, adding four spaces for a code block line does count to the 6 character limit. I'm guessing spaces which don't have any effect on output probably don't count." CreationDate="2017-05-22T14:59:28.680" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="7688" PostId="4484" Score="1" Text="@muru No, it doesn't, I just re-tested it. You simply have no limit because of your editing priviledge." CreationDate="2017-05-22T15:29:27.227" UserId="216004" />
  <row Id="7689" PostId="4479" Score="0" Text="@DrEval: sounds like how reddit does" CreationDate="2017-05-23T05:51:43.190" UserId="60602" />
  <row Id="7690" PostId="4478" Score="3" Text="+1 - but, wiki?" CreationDate="2017-05-23T19:52:52.113" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="7691" PostId="4478" Score="0" Text="@mattdm the site. Technically, it is a wiki, even though it looks nothing like mediawiki *et al*." CreationDate="2017-05-23T20:39:27.553" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="7692" PostId="4477" Score="0" Text="On the reputation part, consider that your upvote more than offsets the reputation loss from being unaccepted. They still have a net gain from answering, even if it's not as much as they'd otherwise get." CreationDate="2017-05-25T13:54:20.793" UserId="67807" />
  <row Id="7693" PostId="4479" Score="0" Text="The only issue with that is no matter when an answer is accepted another answer could be posted after. Adding a mandatory waiting period seems like it would risk more questions not having a marked answer, and still not safeguard against the problem. Imagine: the asker tries to accept, is told they need to wait longer, then they forget about it. Having an accepted answer that's correct but not as thorough as another is still better than no accepted answer." CreationDate="2017-05-25T13:57:41.750" UserId="67807" />
  <row Id="7696" PostId="4490" Score="0" Text="I'm not sure if this is the best format, but I'd welcome any feedback or clarifications on any of the points!" CreationDate="2017-05-29T03:32:13.490" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7697" PostId="4490" Score="0" Text="I have the graphviz source for the image, if anyone has improvements for it." CreationDate="2017-05-29T13:02:20.143" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7698" PostId="4480" Score="0" Text="Linking in the &quot;close&quot; meta Q: https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4489/117549" CreationDate="2017-05-30T18:53:20.707" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7700" PostId="4492" Score="0" Text="it appears to have been rolled back: [Rollback to Revision 1 - Edit approval overridden by post owner or moderator](https://unix.stackexchange.com/posts/368812/revisions)" CreationDate="2017-06-02T18:44:19.000" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7701" PostId="4492" Score="0" Text="Great, but now it is not readable." CreationDate="2017-06-02T19:08:01.750" UserDisplayName="user192526" />
  <row Id="7702" PostId="4495" Score="0" Text="Maybe, because I format my code not over your editor. I format as in a comment. Is this different?." CreationDate="2017-06-04T18:30:22.593" UserDisplayName="user192526" />
  <row Id="7703" PostId="4495" Score="0" Text="Yes, compare how the various edits are rendered." CreationDate="2017-06-04T18:40:30.733" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="7704" PostId="4495" Score="0" Text="Okay, the I will be more intentive ." CreationDate="2017-06-04T18:58:40.380" UserDisplayName="user192526" />
  <row Id="7705" PostId="4490" Score="0" Text="&quot;each close-vote only comes through as one type&quot; - not necessarily. You might also need to choose *which* incoming reason is appropriate. That's probably most common in POB/too broad, but it happens for other pairs too." CreationDate="2017-06-04T21:35:34.583" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="7706" PostId="4490" Score="2" Text="I would like migration to SO to be less eager: is it a **good** *programming* question not about shell, sed, or awk scripting or POSIX APIs, and not about obtaining or using software on Unix system? Some questions are on-topic in both places and certainly shouldn't be migrated (but, too often, are). We also end up migrating too many questions that aren't on-topic at SO at all. Because migration goes by majority, **if it shouldn't be migrated and there are votes for it you need to leave open** and comment - giving another close reason isn't good enough." CreationDate="2017-06-04T21:50:40.560" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="7707" PostId="4495" Score="7" Text="@Bahamut more importantly, please don't take edits personally.  I am an elected moderator and 4th user by rep here and my posts are edited just like anyone else's. Your question is not your own, it belongs to the site and anyone has the right to edit it. That's a very big part of hoe the SE sites work. If you object to your posts being edited, then you won't have a goof time here. *Everyone's* posts are edited." CreationDate="2017-06-04T22:28:13.943" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7713" PostId="4484" Score="0" Text="­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­" CreationDate="2017-06-07T21:46:58.223" UserId="162551" />
  <row Id="7714" PostId="4484" Score="0" Text="Like I showed above, there is an easy workaround for the &quot;comments must be at least 15 characters&quot; limit, which can also be used to workaround the &quot;edits must be at least 6 characters&quot; limit." CreationDate="2017-06-07T21:48:31.653" UserId="162551" />
  <row Id="7715" PostId="4484" Score="0" Text="Also, now that you have 2,000 reputation, this limit doesn't apply to you on this site." CreationDate="2017-06-08T03:10:55.557" UserId="162551" />
  <row Id="7716" PostId="4496" Score="2" Text="An ad that doesn't give any hint of what it's about is just clickbait." CreationDate="2017-06-13T07:25:23.000" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="7717" PostId="4496" Score="0" Text="I haven't thought it like that, sorry. Cool, I'll edit it then." CreationDate="2017-06-13T07:28:19.527" UserId="208450" />
  <row Id="7718" PostId="4499" Score="3" Text="I read through the question and don't really see anything wrong with it. It may just be that the number of folks here with relevant knowledge is small." CreationDate="2017-06-13T19:25:52.330" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="7719" PostId="4501" Score="0" Text="&quot;special&quot; mean some specific sound  isn't &quot;noise&quot; by we agreed . in fact I nearly solved this question by use `beep` command but `beep` volume too little." CreationDate="2017-06-16T08:23:03.197" UserId="230141" />
  <row Id="7720" PostId="4502" Score="0" Text="Sounds reasonable to me." CreationDate="2017-06-16T09:30:20.140" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="7721" PostId="4502" Score="0" Text="Thanks, well I asked the question, so I'm hoping you're not the only one that believes it is suitable [here](https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/371490/what-are-the-pros-and-cons-of-the-various-file-systems-available-for-root-partit) it is and it's already got a vote to close!" CreationDate="2017-06-16T09:41:02.170" UserId="27613" />
  <row Id="7722" PostId="4502" Score="0" Text="If you ask a question on Meta, you should wait longer than an hour to get replies. Unless you're in a hurry, at least a day or two." CreationDate="2017-06-16T09:45:29.837" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="7723" PostId="4502" Score="0" Text="Fair point, thanks. I was in a bit of a hurry, though." CreationDate="2017-06-16T09:47:05.610" UserId="27613" />
  <row Id="7724" PostId="4503" Score="3" Text="And the list of filesystems changes, and their features change..." CreationDate="2017-06-16T10:30:54.310" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7725" PostId="4501" Score="0" Text="@illiterate Sorry, we've got a significant language barrier. So you want the ability to make one specific sound effect when something happens on another user's session that's heard by whichever user is currently logged in?" CreationDate="2017-06-16T14:49:29.100" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="7726" PostId="4501" Score="0" Text="Yes. If I understand your words correctly then there is any suggest for my question?thank you." CreationDate="2017-06-16T15:46:03.877" UserId="230141" />
  <row Id="7727" PostId="4501" Score="0" Text="@illiterate I rewrote your question and reopened it; hopefully I explained what you're looking for correctly" CreationDate="2017-06-16T15:58:05.540" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="7728" PostId="4499" Score="1" Text="As derobert said, the question seems fine. Better than most, really. I put a bounty on it which might help get some more attention." CreationDate="2017-06-16T21:38:45.000" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7729" PostId="4499" Score="0" Text="I answered the question two days ago, due the the bounty and lack of answers. Is it complete, or is there something I can improve?" CreationDate="2017-06-18T22:19:45.513" UserId="210567" />
  <row Id="7730" PostId="4484" Score="0" Text="@JohnMiliter It would be friendly to tell me how to work around the limit as I couldn't find out myself. But as there may be other people not knowing the workaround, the limit should simply be cancelled. Indeed, it could even be considered to skip the peer review for edits that just change whitespaces." CreationDate="2017-06-19T08:25:20.957" UserId="216004" />
  <row Id="7731" PostId="3223" Score="0" Text="I can agree with pt 2, but it feels pretty hostile to be closing questions like this if we don't also bother to direct people to SuperUser, and are just telling them their question is too broad." CreationDate="2017-06-19T15:53:36.103" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="7732" PostId="3223" Score="0" Text="@sourcejedi then you should redirect people. I'm not sure what your point is. Closing has nothing to do with redirecting people and closure doesn't stop anyone from leaving a helpful message if you feel the question would be on topic somewhere else." CreationDate="2017-06-19T15:56:29.137" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7733" PostId="3223" Score="0" Text="@terdon It is related, we're directing people *away* at that point, and we recognize that with one of the close reasons (but for some reason the relationship with superuser isn't close enough to support that for, only stackoverflow).  &quot;Too broad&quot;, which is explained as not a &quot;specific problem with enough detail to identify an adequate answer&quot;, doesn't seem a helpful way of saying &quot;the concrete computer architecture question you are asking here is not sufficiently related to Unix / Linux that we can support discussing it on U.S.E.&quot;" CreationDate="2017-06-19T16:08:17.783" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="7734" PostId="3223" Score="0" Text="@sourcejedi yes. My point is that that sort of thing should be expressed by leaving a comment so I don't understand the relevance. If you (or anyone else) feel that direction would be helpful, by all means direct!" CreationDate="2017-06-19T16:20:28.303" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7736" PostId="3223" Score="0" Text="@terdon  Mmm, I have a kind of related but different question in my head, and I think that is not helping me sense here :).  Apologies for spreading any aggro." CreationDate="2017-06-19T18:06:36.937" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="7737" PostId="3223" Score="0" Text="@sourcejedi oh, hey, no aggro. I was just pointing out that closing and directing are two separate things and see no reason to confuse them. If you have another question please do post it, that's how this sort of policy is decided after all!" CreationDate="2017-06-19T22:47:50.787" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7738" PostId="4508" Score="0" Text="Thank you, that's helpful. But wouldn't UEFI be a better name for the canonical tag, since that is the official name?" CreationDate="2017-06-20T08:29:56.770" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="7739" PostId="4508" Score="0" Text="Some would take EFI as canonical as that was the original name. Others may prefer UEFI to be canonical as that is the current name. I am in the former category, but feel that either path to a merge is a benefit over leaving them distinct" CreationDate="2017-06-20T08:36:26.037" UserId="175857" />
  <row Id="7740" PostId="4447" Score="0" Text="It's reasonable to first ask the poster to convert it to plain text, and only if he/she does not do so, edit it. Given that one cannot cut and paste text from an image, this requires manual transcription, which can be quite a lot of work, depending on the amount of text. However, I suppose if one is prepared to do the work, there is no reason not to do so immediately." CreationDate="2017-06-20T08:37:57.453" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="7741" PostId="4508" Score="0" Text="Ok. Thank you for your feedback. If anyone else feels like weighing in, please do so." CreationDate="2017-06-20T08:38:27.417" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="7742" PostId="4508" Score="4" Text="@Fox Why is the original name relevant? What's important is which tag most people expect to see. EFI wasn't popular before it became UEFI, so most people expect UEFI and that should be the canonical name." CreationDate="2017-06-20T12:22:15.700" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="7743" PostId="4508" Score="1" Text="@Gilles That makes sense. I am convinced, and will probably change my conclusion to match" CreationDate="2017-06-20T16:13:46.047" UserId="175857" />
  <row Id="7745" PostId="4484" Score="0" Text="I agree that the limit should be cancelled, and I will tell you how to workaround the limit. There is an invisible character called a soft hyphen. When proposing edits, I sometimes put them in a location that is at the beginning of a line (to avoid it from being somehow displayed at the end of a line, which would make it visible) and most importantly, I do NOT put them anywhere near code, as it will vandalize code it is in." CreationDate="2017-06-22T04:15:26.093" UserId="162551" />
  <row Id="7749" PostId="4512" Score="3" Text="Yes. This is indeed an issue. It's even worse in our chat rooms." CreationDate="2017-06-30T08:30:20.903" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7750" PostId="1422" Score="0" Text="If [tag:lvm3] arrives, wouldn't [tag:lvm] and [tag:lvm3] need to be synonyms? I'm not sure what one would do in this case. Can you spell it out a bit more?" CreationDate="2017-06-30T09:07:35.313" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="7751" PostId="1421" Score="2" Text="The lvm and lv2 tags have now been merged and lvm2 is a synonym of lvm." CreationDate="2017-06-30T09:10:49.383" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7753" PostId="4515" Score="0" Text="Appreciate any hints for better tags to use on this." CreationDate="2017-07-02T15:51:03.767" UserId="19240" />
  <row Id="7754" PostId="4515" Score="0" Text="Is this then a site bug or a browser bug?" CreationDate="2017-07-03T01:55:23.153" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="7755" PostId="4071" Score="0" Text="[­](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com)" CreationDate="2017-07-03T03:10:02.187" UserId="162551" />
  <row Id="7756" PostId="4515" Score="0" Text="I *think* it's a site bug because like I wrote, Stack Overflow has worked fine for years, and I only had this happen when I started to visit Unix &amp; Linux more often." CreationDate="2017-07-03T03:56:34.127" UserId="19240" />
  <row Id="7757" PostId="3070" Score="1" Text="IMHO teaching people to use exact language is off-topic here. Most people on the site understand what question the OP intended to ask and answer it. If it does bother you, edit the question, but please don't flood the comments with meta discussions." CreationDate="2017-07-03T14:59:50.110" UserId="216004" />
  <row Id="7758" PostId="4516" Score="2" Text="&quot;I am looking into the possibility of using a smartphone as my only private computer.&quot; This isn't intended to be a response to your question in any way, but that just strikes me as a painful and really terrible idea. Phones are really unsuitable for general computer use." CreationDate="2017-07-04T10:03:48.670" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="7759" PostId="4516" Score="0" Text="Really? It seems to me if I plug in a monitor, a mouse, a keyboard and a proper os, I would be able to go about most of my private business from a smartphone. I am not considering using a smartphone as a substitute for a work computer. I guess this is why I want to ask these questions in the first place; I don't have any experience using a smartphone as a proper computer!" CreationDate="2017-07-04T10:13:36.330" UserId="219602" />
  <row Id="7760" PostId="4516" Score="0" Text="I realise that smartphones have come a long way recently, but they're still wildly underpowered in comparison with a real computer. And if you are going to be plugging in all that stuff, why not just use a proper computer? The main advantage of a smartphone is portability. And you lose that if you start plugging in monitors and stuff. Oh, and can a smartphone drive a proper monitor? I don't know - maybe it can. But usually one uses dedicated video cards for the purpose." CreationDate="2017-07-04T10:23:25.760" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="7761" PostId="4516" Score="0" Text="My reasoning is the opposite: If my phone can do everything anyway, why would I want a computer? Looking at the maru os site, it sure looks like it is possible, without sacrificing portability. Whether that is actually the truth... well that is what I want to ask." CreationDate="2017-07-04T10:32:35.747" UserId="219602" />
  <row Id="7762" PostId="4516" Score="0" Text="Well, obviously it depends what your computing needs are. If they are very light, maybe a smartphone will work for you." CreationDate="2017-07-04T10:39:21.337" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="7763" PostId="4516" Score="1" Text="What would make this a unix-related question? The examples you cite (&quot;what OS&quot;, &quot;does this break the EULA&quot;, &quot;which devices&quot;) are all completely off topic." CreationDate="2017-07-04T10:47:41.163" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7764" PostId="4516" Score="0" Text="@FaheemMitha When/if I ask these questions, I will make sure to ask for examples of tasks where a smartphone setup would substantially underperform as compared to a similar laptop setup." CreationDate="2017-07-04T10:58:07.460" UserId="219602" />
  <row Id="7767" PostId="4516" Score="0" Text="@terdon I see I forgot to repeat the 'unix-like' in that paragraph. That is now fixed. But maybe you still think that the question is off topic? If the Unix &amp; Linux board is not the appropriate one for questions about how to get a unix-like os on a smartphone, do you have any suggestion as to which board I should rather go to?" CreationDate="2017-07-04T11:29:00.487" UserId="219602" />
  <row Id="7768" PostId="4516" Score="1" Text="@JonasDahlbæk well, installing a *nix on a mobile device might be on topic. I don't think we have a clear guideline on that one yet so that might require its own meta thread. However, asking about licences is off topic. It might be on topic on [android.se] or [apple.se] depending on the mobile device but I don't really know their scope, you'd have to ask them.  Asking for a list of options is off topic on most if not all SE sites. So most of your example questions would be off topic." CreationDate="2017-07-04T11:33:34.473" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7769" PostId="669" Score="0" Text="You misspelled `umount`." CreationDate="2017-07-04T17:45:58.250" UserId="19240" />
  <row Id="7770" PostId="4517" Score="0" Text="Tangentially, on the topic of plugging lots of peripherals into a phone, I don't think that's feasible. The form factor basically prohibits plug-in extendability, beyond one or two simple peripherals. With wireless peripherals, you can get some additional capacity, but it's going to be slow when you have multiple devices attached." CreationDate="2017-07-04T20:57:36.047" UserId="19240" />
  <row Id="7771" PostId="4516" Score="0" Text="By the way, thanks for taking the time to ask here. That's really appreciated. That said, since to the best of my knowledge we don't actually have a clear policy on mobile devices (it doesn't tend to come up here much) you could always ask about installing *nix on one. I know I said it would require another meta thread, but that can be posted after you ask if it ends up closed." CreationDate="2017-07-04T23:01:55.553" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7772" PostId="4515" Score="0" Text="Just as a problem filtering device, try using the same browser on another, or more than one, stack that is a subdomain of stackexchange.com rather than it's own site like Stack Overflow is. It could be the addition of the subdomain is messing up the browser somehow. I have had similar problems, but I believe mine have always been the result of fat fingers on a small screen." CreationDate="2017-07-05T01:25:24.630" UserId="207673" />
  <row Id="7773" PostId="4515" Score="0" Text="I think I can rule out fat fingers, I was able to repro on some pages consistently but then when I reloaded enough times it was gone." CreationDate="2017-07-05T09:55:15.600" UserId="19240" />
  <row Id="7774" PostId="4516" Score="0" Text="I may do that, after I decide on a potential combination of device and distro. Although the feedback here already suggests heavily that my plans are not really realizable at this point in time." CreationDate="2017-07-05T11:19:43.580" UserId="219602" />
  <row Id="7775" PostId="4517" Score="1" Text="Don't worry, I have enough experience with stackexchange to know not to lightheartedly change a question after receiving an answer. My impression previously has been that although list questions are generally discouraged, they can (if framed appropriately) be completely acceptable. I guess in this case I did not really appreciate how open-ended my question would have been." CreationDate="2017-07-05T11:24:43.357" UserId="219602" />
  <row Id="7776" PostId="4517" Score="0" Text="&quot;what your acceptance criteria are&quot; nor the exclusion criteria." CreationDate="2017-07-05T12:51:50.840" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="7778" PostId="4519" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the clarification. You're right about one of the answers not using `fstab` at all which I didn't catch. I'll post again to one of the questions and give an example." CreationDate="2017-07-05T16:44:14.020" UserId="16287" />
  <row Id="7779" PostId="4519" Score="0" Text="@DanielK thanks. And my apologies if I was too harsh. That was not my intention. Oh, and note that the other question which does use fstab isn't asking to make things world writeable. it only wants to ignore a umask setting." CreationDate="2017-07-05T16:46:03.513" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7780" PostId="4524" Score="0" Text="Click on the reputation icon,there you 'll find your question" CreationDate="2017-07-06T14:31:32.620" UserId="179796" />
  <row Id="7782" PostId="4523" Score="1" Text="You do have a point, and i applaud you for taking a crack at identifying just what's wrong with the question in question" CreationDate="2017-07-07T06:50:39.417" UserId="136107" />
  <row Id="7783" PostId="4522" Score="4" Text="Well done on using Meta to get help improving your question!" CreationDate="2017-07-07T07:20:12.043" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="7785" PostId="4474" Score="1" Text="It's astonishing, but in the last year and a half I never actually noticed the highlighting on questions tagged with my &quot;favorite tags&quot; before.  Thanks for pointing it out!  :)" CreationDate="2017-07-08T04:42:42.547" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="7786" PostId="4527" Score="0" Text="&quot;And note that closing doesn't protect you from losing rep because of a crappy question.&quot; Actually, it sort of does. The [robot vacuum](https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/roomba) is supposed to clean up (delete) those questions. AFAIK deleted questions don't count for rep, so that'll return the rep lost." CreationDate="2017-07-09T07:44:02.003" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="7787" PostId="4527" Score="1" Text="@derobert that doesn't happen to duplicates though. Also, if a question has upvoted answers, [it won't be deleted](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/92006/203101). So it can indeed happen that a closed question sticks around along with its associated rep, negative or positive." CreationDate="2017-07-09T15:40:08.457" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7788" PostId="4527" Score="0" Text="Indeed it can stick around, but all the bad ones are normally too broad or unclear. Those will often get deleted. E.g., I looked at the recently closed bit on the tools page for things closed today, all the duplicates have a positive score. All the others have a negative score. They'll get Roomba'd and the lost rep returned (which is often a moot point, as rep can't go below 1 anyway)" CreationDate="2017-07-09T15:45:17.317" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="7789" PostId="4527" Score="0" Text="@derobert no, as far as I know, [dupes are never Roomba'd](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/92006/203101)." CreationDate="2017-07-09T16:00:58.963" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7790" PostId="4527" Score="0" Text="Dupes aren't AFAIK, but all the negative-scored closed questions are too broad, unclear, etc.—not duplicates (at least the ones from today that I checked). They will be Roomba'd, presumably." CreationDate="2017-07-09T16:07:57.497" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="7791" PostId="4527" Score="0" Text="Yes, I think so." CreationDate="2017-07-09T16:08:49.697" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7792" PostId="4527" Score="0" Text="So, duplicate is a special case. Other than that, an upvoted closed question is left alone by the Roomba, so you get rep from them, but a downvoted closed question will often be deleted (so you don't lose rep from many of them, at least not permanently). So &quot;[a]nd note that closing doesn't protect you from losing rep because of a crappy question&quot; isn't really correct (unless limited to questions closed as duplicate). Which is quite possibly what you intended, but note OP's question asks about both cases." CreationDate="2017-07-09T16:13:53.077" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="7793" PostId="4490" Score="0" Text="I've updated the post to address SO migration and the close-types." CreationDate="2017-07-09T18:11:31.463" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7794" PostId="4528" Score="1" Text="Titles can be edited too." CreationDate="2017-07-09T18:22:42.677" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="7795" PostId="4528" Score="0" Text="@FaheemMitha Yep, I'm aware of that. Thank you though. Part of the question says &quot;I did this so there wasn't an edit log with a completely unrelated title.&quot;. It seems like editing title would be a more hackish solution, also I still plan to ask the other question." CreationDate="2017-07-09T19:17:52.490" UserId="232710" />
  <row Id="7796" PostId="2935" Score="0" Text="On the other hand, I pretty much would prefer to &quot;unify&quot; AskUbuntu and even SuperUser here. Two many places overlapping in my personal opinion." CreationDate="2017-07-09T19:27:53.897" UserId="6030" />
  <row Id="7797" PostId="4528" Score="3" Text="No, editing the question title is the correct and obvious thing to do. In my opinion, of course. And yes, I missed the &quot;I did this so there wasn't an edit log with a completely unrelated title&quot;.  Reading fail, sorry. Who cares if there is an edit log with a completely unrelated title?" CreationDate="2017-07-09T20:32:09.207" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="7798" PostId="4527" Score="0" Text="@derobert the OP here was specifically targeting duplicates so yes, my answer is also focusing on those, mostly. However, as I said in my 1st comment, even for non-dupes, upvoted *answers* protect a question from roomba so you can indeed keep loosing rep for a crappy question if it attracted decent answers." CreationDate="2017-07-09T22:46:40.200" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7799" PostId="4528" Score="5" Text="I'm with Faheem. Thanks for taking the time to try and do it cleanly, but I think you're over thinking it. Just undelete your question, change its title and you're done." CreationDate="2017-07-09T22:48:43.063" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7800" PostId="4528" Score="0" Text="Okay, fair point. I'll do as suggested. Thanks for the feedback." CreationDate="2017-07-09T23:04:43.080" UserId="232710" />
  <row Id="7801" PostId="4530" Score="2" Text="I don't see any of these with 5.2.20, so I assume it already got fixed. It's just &quot;Stack Exchange&quot;, not &quot;Stack Exchange (partial)&quot; for me." CreationDate="2017-07-09T23:47:45.977" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="7802" PostId="4530" Score="0" Text="That's a big derp on my part! Thanks for pointing out my out of date extensions." CreationDate="2017-07-10T00:39:46.883" UserId="232710" />
  <row Id="7803" PostId="4532" Score="2" Text="Couldn't old questions (assuming they're still on-topic) get new answers?" CreationDate="2017-07-10T10:37:06.513" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7804" PostId="4529" Score="0" Text="Definitely understood that the question should have been closed once I could not reproduce the problem, no issues there.  For what it's worth, though, Stack Overflow first sent me here because they said it was an Unix issue.  So where should I have posted it?!?  (and thank you for your ongoing help!)" CreationDate="2017-07-10T12:17:32.683" UserId="228742" />
  <row Id="7805" PostId="4529" Score="0" Text="It's in-topic here, imho, but you could try Ask Different. I don't know their scope." CreationDate="2017-07-10T14:33:44.760" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7806" PostId="4528" Score="0" Text="Do you need to undelete a question to edit it? I recall editing a deleted question recently without undeleting it." CreationDate="2017-07-11T03:55:41.513" UserId="23408" />
  <row Id="7807" PostId="4528" Score="1" Text="I had to undelete it before being able to edit." CreationDate="2017-07-11T08:32:07.810" UserId="232710" />
  <row Id="7808" PostId="4537" Score="0" Text="`it can be confusing to see downvotes &amp; closures to some questions, yet answers to other, similar questions` yeah, that's a big concern and dilemma I have, you have put together thoughts very clearly in this answer than I could in question... will wait for more opinions..." CreationDate="2017-07-13T11:54:26.820" UserId="109046" />
  <row Id="7809" PostId="4534" Score="2" Text="We all appreciate your kind words, this is perfectly fine to say this here in the meta." CreationDate="2017-07-14T07:04:14.130" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="7810" PostId="4538" Score="0" Text="The question you linked to shows no effort on your part to answer it yourself. I would have voted against reopening it." CreationDate="2017-07-14T07:21:55.810" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="7811" PostId="4538" Score="0" Text="@jasonwryan You didn't even read that it's not my question. I provided an answer. The question was put on hold because it was unclear, not because there wasn't enough own effort. And this isn't about this specific question, it's a general problem." CreationDate="2017-07-14T07:38:34.550" UserId="216004" />
  <row Id="7812" PostId="4538" Score="0" Text="It is still a &quot;I need an answer, but I'm not willing to do anything myself to get it&quot; type question. Coupled with the fact that it is a generic text processing request, there is nothing about it that warrants reopening." CreationDate="2017-07-14T07:47:25.593" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="7813" PostId="4538" Score="0" Text="@jasonwryan The first part is true for 90% of all questions. Go and put all of them on hold! And I would not have edited the question if it wasn't an interesting problem where you can learn a lot about text processing. But I don't want to discuss those thousands of questions put on hold that didn't get reopened despite clarification. You can argue about any specific case, but that won't solve the general problem." CreationDate="2017-07-14T07:55:50.240" UserId="216004" />
  <row Id="7814" PostId="4538" Score="0" Text="My point is that there is no &quot;problem&quot;. And your claim that 90% of questions on the site show a similar lack of effort is ludicrous." CreationDate="2017-07-14T08:00:24.840" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="7815" PostId="4538" Score="2" Text="I admit I also have the opposite impression. I've always felt that this site is particularly good at reopening questions. The specific one you show was only closed yesterday and already has 3 reopen votes, for instance. Could you perhaps show us some more examples?" CreationDate="2017-07-14T08:06:49.623" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7816" PostId="4537" Score="2" Text="The keyword from your cite is &quot;obvious answers&quot;, I think. Questions of type *what does option -x do?* show that the asker hasn't learned to help himself so he'll get a comment on how to read a `man` page from me. If I see a complex text processing task you can't solve with only basic knowledge, I'll answer it even if there are no signs of own effort (as it wouldn't have helped anyhow) and given an explanation to help them learn how to deal with problems like that. Unfortunally, obvious answers to trivial questions are low-hanging fruits for those hunting for reputation." CreationDate="2017-07-14T08:10:12.973" UserId="216004" />
  <row Id="7817" PostId="4536" Score="3" Text="Very relevant https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/a/595/41104" CreationDate="2017-07-14T14:00:11.607" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="7818" PostId="4536" Score="0" Text="@Braiam thanks a lot for the link, will go through entire discussion..." CreationDate="2017-07-14T14:03:43.610" UserId="109046" />
  <row Id="7819" PostId="4539" Score="0" Text="Thank you very much for the statistics! It seems my experience was not typical. For some reason none of the questions I helped to improve or edited myself got reopened. That's why I supposed there is a general problem. If only one out of four edited questions gets reopened it's still disappointing, but I can't judge whether the edits did solve the original problems of the question, so it might be okay and I accept your answer." CreationDate="2017-07-14T16:22:57.047" UserId="216004" />
  <row Id="7820" PostId="4539" Score="0" Text="As for a suggestion: The comments of jasonwryan suggests that he wants the question to remain close for a different reason than the reason it has been closed for in the first place. That may be frustrating for the OP struggeling to reopen it, but working on the wrong reason. Maybe instead of voting to close it one could vote to keep it closed for a different reason? Thank you." CreationDate="2017-07-14T16:26:08.677" UserId="216004" />
  <row Id="7821" PostId="4539" Score="0" Text="I don't want to speak for jasonwryan, but if I'm interpreting his comment/stance correctly, it's &quot;VTC as unclear because the OP has not shown where they failed to achieve their goal&quot;, which is similar on the surface to &quot;VTC as unclear because the problem is not fully specified&quot; (which is the part that you [tried to help fix](https://unix.stackexchange.com/revisions/378127/4))" CreationDate="2017-07-14T17:26:15.033" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7822" PostId="4539" Score="0" Text="@Philippos That suggestion is posted on the main Stack Exchange meta [here](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/54917/145982)" CreationDate="2017-07-14T17:30:59.723" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="7823" PostId="4540" Score="1" Text="I was working on one for a general overview of networking. Very early draft is at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pTDrfsF8-80xaZta1UJLmTLjSyTea9yGdOWAZvZMSN0/edit ... which is editable by anyone with the link. But it probably needs a lot more work, and probably to be split into smaller parts." CreationDate="2017-07-14T19:46:47.217" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="7825" PostId="4541" Score="2" Text="inappropriate +1 just for the &quot;here&quot; link ... link..." CreationDate="2017-07-15T00:52:54.010" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7828" PostId="4543" Score="0" Text="thanks for the answer...  `Look at the specific case and decide` is what seems to be consensus... I am getting closer to finding a sweet spot for myself in this regard" CreationDate="2017-07-16T04:21:51.670" UserId="109046" />
  <row Id="7829" PostId="4537" Score="0" Text="@Philippos thanks for that... seems like you could make the comment as an answer instead" CreationDate="2017-07-16T04:23:49.467" UserId="109046" />
  <row Id="7830" PostId="4543" Score="1" Text="@Sundeep Yep, exactly. Each user has their own &quot;sweet spot&quot; as you said. I myself have come to focus less on reputation, and more on contributing value to users. Having attained almost 50k on Ask Ubuntu and participating on different sites, I've learned that it's more important to see what would be The Right Thing to Do in each case, rather than chase reputation no matter what." CreationDate="2017-07-16T04:25:19.930" UserId="85039" />
  <row Id="7832" PostId="4537" Score="2" Text="For what it's worth, I'm now more likely to say &quot;What have you tried?&quot; or &quot;We're not a script-writing service&quot; simply because I've got a &quot;high enough&quot; reputation score and I'm not particularly chasing any more." CreationDate="2017-07-17T10:04:21.713" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="7833" PostId="4543" Score="0" Text="&quot;Answering such questions isn't a problem...in no way prohibited...you have to show at least some effort before asking a question&quot;.  You should have to show some effort but you don't, because people DO answer them, because there's no punishment (the opposite: you earn rep).  So it'll happen forever, lowering the quality of question and annoying long time/high rep users.  The solution is to punish (not award rep) people who answer &quot;no effort shown&quot; questions. But this has been discussed before and it went nowhere, perhaps because new, low quality users are more desirable than long-time ones." CreationDate="2017-07-17T10:21:22.503" UserDisplayName="user13757" />
  <row Id="7834" PostId="4543" Score="0" Text="@DrEval quality of questions/answers doesn't raise if you punish users.   Besides, why would  one punish a user that provides clear, proper answer ? voting system is based on *usefulness* and *correctness* of an answer, and in  no way should be correlated to the quality of question asked.  Punishing answers based on question doesn't follow logically" CreationDate="2017-07-17T10:33:17.837" UserId="85039" />
  <row Id="7835" PostId="4541" Score="0" Text="How would I move my answer (while keeping its votes)? Via a moderator, I guess? Problem is that it doesn't answer the specific case of the other question (and on that point they're not perfect duplicates). It's a trivial fix to strip the leading whitespace before passing to `--files-from` but it then includes unnecessary code for the question it was intended to answer." CreationDate="2017-07-17T10:35:37.523" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="7836" PostId="4543" Score="0" Text="@SergiyKolodyazhnyy  Punishing (and i'm really talking about awarding no rep in the first instance, or perhaps -2 or something small per answer) would have the effect of discouraging people from answering obviously low quality questions that you don't want on the site.  Stopping these questions in the first place is less easy than getting existing users (who know the culture better) to behave differently." CreationDate="2017-07-17T10:42:00.310" UserDisplayName="user13757" />
  <row Id="7837" PostId="4543" Score="0" Text="@DrEval your assumption is that low quality answers are constantly low quality. Everything can be salvaged via editing.That's why communication with OP of such question is important. And nope, your idea about &quot;discouraging&quot; answers makes no sense, because voting system is about usefulness of an answer, not on what they answer. That is contrary to SE philosophy in general. There is no limit to what can or can't be answered, not on here or any StackExchange site, unless the question is closed." CreationDate="2017-07-17T10:47:55.200" UserId="85039" />
  <row Id="7838" PostId="4543" Score="1" Text="@&quot;And nope, your idea about &quot;discouraging&quot; answers makes no sense, because voting system is about usefulness of an answer, not on what they answer.&quot;  Well obviously i'm proposing a change so that the &quot;voting  system&quot; takes into account pointless &quot;do my homework&quot; (and the like) questions that should be closed and not answered.  Everyone's different but I'm not really a &quot;please sew a shirt onto this button I just found&quot; kinda guy." CreationDate="2017-07-17T13:59:14.407" UserDisplayName="user13757" />
  <row Id="7839" PostId="4546" Score="16" Text="Personally I would go with &quot;Improve&quot; over &quot;Reject&quot; in this situation, but yes, adding the edit line is unnecessary. Instead flag the comments as obsolete and we'll just get rid of them" CreationDate="2017-07-17T19:31:22.697" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="7840" PostId="4541" Score="0" Text="@roaima, right.  So I think a link (via comment) is more applicable." CreationDate="2017-07-17T19:50:10.297" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="7841" PostId="4546" Score="4" Text="@Kaz There are two reasons for the extra text: 1) Oftentimes edits need to explicitly clarified so that the discussion in the comments give sense to new readers. Here there was talk in the comments about the command not working, and an argument even broke out. I added the note because I wanted it to be very clear that the argument was resolved, and the command was now correct. 2) There is often a minimum character limit to how small an edit can be on SE sites, I was afraid a one char change would be automatically rejected." CreationDate="2017-07-17T22:17:26.110" UserId="206121" />
  <row Id="7843" PostId="4546" Score="1" Text="@AndréChristofferAndersen to (1): the edit history (and timeline) of a question is always available, and (2) if you can't find 5 other characters to edit, consider alerting the chat room, where a 2k+ user may see it and be able to act on it without needing to meet the char limit." CreationDate="2017-07-18T00:47:38.217" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7846" PostId="4546" Score="7" Text="It does not match because in that circumstance one does not reject the edit.  One cuts out the &quot;edit&quot; part and then _approves_ the edit." CreationDate="2017-07-18T10:59:45.630" UserId="5132" />
  <row Id="7847" PostId="4545" Score="0" Text="Ugh, they are spilling from SO. Better we go and take the queues again." CreationDate="2017-07-18T15:37:38.677" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="7848" PostId="4549" Score="1" Text="I've got to ask... how many of those via shell/Perl/Python/Ruby/etc. script? :-P" CreationDate="2017-07-18T15:49:36.710" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="7849" PostId="4545" Score="0" Text="@Braiam SO folks are of course welcome to join our community, but you'd hope they'd learn this community's culture in the first few thousand rep before being granted access to the review queues! 2k according to https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/privileges/edit" CreationDate="2017-07-18T15:51:24.337" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="7850" PostId="4549" Score="3" Text="I was at 2215 when I broke the streak; it's kind of nice not needing to worry if I've missed a day anymore" CreationDate="2017-07-18T15:59:01.970" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="7858" PostId="4551" Score="0" Text="Wow, hi. Thanks for letting me know, I just got back to the computer and can confirm this is no longer happening. I am *very* curious - did you only notice my report recently? (Hmm, `margin-bottom: -1px`. Fascinating solution.)" CreationDate="2017-07-19T11:26:23.433" UserId="57627" />
  <row Id="7859" PostId="4547" Score="0" Text="How do I see how many days I've visited continuously ? I tried looking, but didn't find anything." CreationDate="2017-07-19T14:39:51.273" UserId="224025" />
  <row Id="7860" PostId="4547" Score="2" Text="I don't know how to see it in the app, but from the web page, click on your name at the top, then on the Profile &quot;tab&quot;; the consecutive count is on the right." CreationDate="2017-07-19T14:49:37.033" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7862" PostId="4546" Score="4" Text="@AndréChristofferAndersen An html comment is a cleaner way of making sure your edit hits the minimum char limit." CreationDate="2017-07-21T01:21:08.263" UserId="56043" />
  <row Id="7865" PostId="4555" Score="1" Text="well I asked this long before your question... answer being one-liner has nothing to do with OP's effort... say the answer involves using `sed` or `awk`... there are plenty of tutorials out there.. I expect OP to have learned the basics at least, tried something before asking... `just be one line of bash that does not work` that still shows OP's effort and gives a chance for others to point out why it did not work and becomes good learning process for all" CreationDate="2017-07-26T14:23:18.877" UserId="109046" />
  <row Id="7866" PostId="4512" Score="0" Text="@terdon you're an administrator, do you also develop code for Unix &amp; Linux ? If not, can you bring this to light of developers so that, colors of links on Unix &amp; Linux can be made orange just like here in meta. It is distinctly visible. But one more thing I'd like to mention is that I am saying this as I am not color blind. I don't know if it would be harder for color blind people to distinguish blue color in Unix &amp; Linux or orange color in Meta Unix &amp; Linux" CreationDate="2017-07-26T15:13:18.317" UserId="224025" />
  <row Id="7867" PostId="4512" Score="0" Text="@GypsyCosmonaut I'm not an administrator! I'm just a regular schmuck, like you, who's been elected to serve as a moderator. I don't work for Stack Exchange and I am not affiliated with Stack Exchange in any way. Sorry :(" CreationDate="2017-07-26T15:16:42.837" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7869" PostId="4512" Score="0" Text="Okay @terdon , I'm tagging Jeff Atwood here then" CreationDate="2017-07-26T15:21:38.700" UserId="224025" />
  <row Id="7870" PostId="4512" Score="0" Text="@JeffAtwood just wanted to bring this to your attention" CreationDate="2017-07-26T15:21:43.753" UserId="224025" />
  <row Id="7871" PostId="4512" Score="0" Text="Uhm. Jeff hasn't been working with SE for a few years now and, even if he were still around, only people who have interacted with a post get notified by `@username`. The SE developers watch the local metas, so this has already been communicated to them. However, it is (naturally) not a very pressing bug, so I doubt it will be high in their list of priorities." CreationDate="2017-07-26T15:27:45.313" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7872" PostId="4557" Score="0" Text="good point... it says so when hovering over the downvote button... the confusion for me rises because so many questions are upvoted and answered without any research effort shown... trend in such questions is if it interesting problem, basic to intermediate level, good formatting, etc... however when problem seems bit involved to solve, it gets downvotes and comments saying to the effect that this is not free coding service..." CreationDate="2017-07-27T08:01:12.963" UserId="109046" />
  <row Id="7873" PostId="4557" Score="0" Text="That's because if you have answered a question, you're inclined to upvote it regardless of the quality in the hope that the question ends up in the HNQ and you'll get hundreds of rep instead of just 25 you usually get for a regular question." CreationDate="2017-07-27T09:05:45.743" UserId="106927" />
  <row Id="7874" PostId="4557" Score="1" Text="well I was certainly guilty of doing so (though I don't get what HNQ is) earlier... but seeing too many questions which are essentially `solve my issue for free` I thought I would get opinions of others and got it.." CreationDate="2017-07-27T10:43:42.117" UserId="109046" />
  <row Id="7875" PostId="4558" Score="5" Text="It only has one downvote and one person commenting on it (besides you), so &quot;some folks&quot; seems like too small a group to really worry about" CreationDate="2017-07-27T20:48:57.417" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="7876" PostId="4558" Score="2" Text="I would point out that sed /e is a gnu extension, and include the explanation inline with the answer instead of as a comment." CreationDate="2017-07-27T21:14:38.817" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7877" PostId="2708" Score="0" Text="Single-quoting vs Double-quoting: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/7574/difference-between-and-on-command-line-bash" CreationDate="2017-07-27T21:38:31.470" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7878" PostId="4556" Score="0" Text="Thanks Dmitry. That discussion makes sense. That said, I didn't add the edit note only for the chars. I added it because in the context of the comment section argument I wanted people to know the issue was resolved. As it stands a new reader might become confused and skeptical about the answer when reading the comments. Besides I see the *edit* idiom all over the place on SE, e.g., this extremely popular answer: https://stackoverflow.com/a/12940384/604048 I don't feel my usage was very different. The edit note was added in order to acknowledged the dialogue." CreationDate="2017-07-28T17:47:09.967" UserId="206121" />
  <row Id="7879" PostId="4546" Score="2" Text="@JeffSchaller I would argue that the vast majority of people who need the information never venture into the edit history. Also, there are plenty of cases where people add *edit* notes to make things clear because of the dynamic nature of the Q&amp;A. Take this extremely popular answer by Jon Skeet: https://stackoverflow.com/a/176274/604048 He added a note because of the comments, as I did. If such additions is reason for rejecting an edit at U&amp;L, then it should IMO be stated very clearly as a warning in the answer edit form, and usage of it should be purged from existing answers in general." CreationDate="2017-07-28T18:02:00.857" UserId="206121" />
  <row Id="7880" PostId="4556" Score="0" Text="I have to retract the &quot;as it stands&quot; part, because the comments have been removed. Which is an option as well, I suppose. Didn't know there was a &quot;no longer needed&quot; flag option for comments - as stated elsewhere in this question. Typically I'd expect those to be serious violation flaggings." CreationDate="2017-07-28T18:03:59.623" UserId="206121" />
  <row Id="7881" PostId="4544" Score="1" Text="As a non-native speaker - my questions/answers are routinely corrected. I'm grateful that someone does the hard job of correcting my grammar." CreationDate="2017-07-28T19:17:06.133" UserId="305" />
  <row Id="7893" PostId="4561" Score="0" Text="You should edit your question to have (some) back story, and ask how to fix it.  Then it would be mostly on topic...." CreationDate="2017-08-03T01:58:56.617" UserId="204448" />
  <row Id="7895" PostId="4550" Score="0" Text="The &quot;original&quot; has a &quot;status-completed&quot; tag, which is clearly not true in the case of this report (as also the screenshots show)." CreationDate="2017-08-03T11:29:51.977" UserId="52236" />
  <row Id="7896" PostId="2729" Score="0" Text="Despite the &quot;status-completed&quot; tag, the problem still exists, as described [here](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4550/52236)." CreationDate="2017-08-03T11:31:29.840" UserId="52236" />
  <row Id="7897" PostId="4550" Score="0" Text="I'm who originally reported the issue (3 years ago). On Chrome 58, if I mouseover the Related list on the right of this page, I don't get any jitter on hover. Where are you seeing it?" CreationDate="2017-08-03T15:14:01.607" UserId="57627" />
  <row Id="7898" PostId="4550" Score="0" Text="@i336_ Now also I can't see the problem. The rule I refered seems still exists, but there is currently also a `-1px` negative margin now." CreationDate="2017-08-03T15:44:24.220" UserId="52236" />
  <row Id="7899" PostId="4563" Score="1" Text="Related: https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/q/2833/117549 and https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/225370/307535" CreationDate="2017-08-03T23:55:28.130" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7900" PostId="4563" Score="1" Text="Not-good questions should be closed, not answered." CreationDate="2017-08-03T23:55:56.893" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7902" PostId="4566" Score="0" Text="I have read this link and the other one provided in the comments by Jeff Schaller. It seems that these links are focused on answers which give a link and a link only. In that case I agree that it is wrong as a broken link can completely invalidate an answer. In my opinion though, this answer passes the &quot;strip the links&quot; test. The core of it is: do experimentation and learn by doing. The links are just additional pieces illustrating how easy it is to find the relevant information, not the main answer. What is incorrect about this?" CreationDate="2017-08-04T09:28:16.840" UserId="232710" />
  <row Id="7903" PostId="4563" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller fair enough, so you're saying the linked answer doesn't represent community consensus?" CreationDate="2017-08-04T09:29:46.787" UserId="232710" />
  <row Id="7904" PostId="4563" Score="0" Text="Does the downvoter care to explain? Does this question really show a lack of research effort or clarity?" CreationDate="2017-08-04T09:31:03.047" UserId="232710" />
  <row Id="7905" PostId="4566" Score="0" Text="@rlf well, &quot;learn by doing&quot; isn't a very useful answer to &quot;How can I learn&quot;, really. The only useful thing I see in this answer is &quot;*It boils down to this, GNU/Linux can be used for basically any task that other operating systems can be used for. Just explore your system and experiment with what you can do.*&quot; and that's a comment, not an answer. Basically, the question itself was not a good fit for the site in the first place, so any answer wouldn't be a good fit either. Yours is an example of this." CreationDate="2017-08-04T09:31:43.240" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7906" PostId="4563" Score="0" Text="Linking in for the voting: https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/whats-meta" CreationDate="2017-08-04T10:26:48.900" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7907" PostId="4563" Score="0" Text="(I have not voted on this Q, just wanted to share yet another surprising thing I have learned about the sites)" CreationDate="2017-08-04T10:27:47.740" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7908" PostId="4550" Score="0" Text="Ah, cool. I wonder if you had some kind of pathological CSS caching issue." CreationDate="2017-08-04T13:21:21.173" UserId="57627" />
  <row Id="7909" PostId="4550" Score="0" Text="@i336_ I don't think, the URLs of the SE css files contain their build version as GET parameter. (And I exterminated all cache and retried with different browsers before the report.)" CreationDate="2017-08-04T13:47:16.540" UserId="52236" />
  <row Id="7910" PostId="4567" Score="10" Text="I do not appreciate being accused of &quot;abuse&quot; *ahead* of a discussion. As you said, we are just a bunch of people here to discuss U&amp;L.  I beg to differ with your conclusion on &quot;If some discussion isn't clear to me ... I would leave the discussion open to others rather than downvote and close&quot;. See my post below for more details, but if nobody tended to the site through the *established* up/down/close vote mechanisms, how would we encourage quality questions and answers amidst the *wide range* of stuff that comes through the front door?" CreationDate="2017-08-04T17:35:51.357" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7911" PostId="4567" Score="1" Text="Ahh, here's the (stronger) case that I was reminded of, in regards to voting (tending to the site): https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/a/4322/117549 - linking to: http://lesswrong.com/lw/c1/wellkept_gardens_die_by_pacifism/" CreationDate="2017-08-04T17:38:02.483" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7912" PostId="4568" Score="5" Text="Upvoted, but *way* to much effort expended on justifying decisions that stand on their own merit." CreationDate="2017-08-04T23:01:28.630" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="7913" PostId="4567" Score="5" Text="I'm disappointed I wasn't called out for abuse..." CreationDate="2017-08-04T23:04:07.173" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="7914" PostId="4561" Score="0" Text="good suggestion, thanks ivan :)" CreationDate="2017-08-05T05:42:33.530" UserId="244763" />
  <row Id="7915" PostId="4562" Score="0" Text="Many thanks Craig for:&#xA;(i) the explanation on the reputational points - clear and logical; and&#xA;(ii) appending to &amp; editing the other answer" CreationDate="2017-08-05T05:44:07.613" UserId="244763" />
  <row Id="7916" PostId="4568" Score="9" Text="Indeed, with most of Tim's questions, I get the distinct impression that the question wants us to restate the manual in a different way, but most times I haven't the faintest idea where Tim's mental model is going wrong, so no matter what I write, I can't be sure it will cover whatever it is Tim has in mind." CreationDate="2017-08-05T08:10:24.970" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="7917" PostId="4567" Score="2" Text="Re: your recent edit about the site's goal, I would point out that U&amp;L's stated purpose, right on the front door, is: [Unix &amp; Linux Stack Exchange is a question and answer site for users of Linux, FreeBSD and other Un*x-like operating systems. It's built and run by you as part of the Stack Exchange network of Q&amp;A sites. With your help, we're working together to build a library of detailed answers to every question about Unix or Linux.](https://unix.stackexchange.com/tour). The questions page even has two dedicated &quot;Unanswered&quot; links for those seeking to provide answers." CreationDate="2017-08-05T18:24:32.843" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7918" PostId="4567" Score="9" Text="Sounds like you'll be busy catching up on your 431 unaccepted Questions for a while, but in the meantime, is there anything about my voting (detailed in my Answer), or anyone else's that you see as abuse? I'm afraid you've set me off on the wrong foot, and possibly the ten other members of the site, by leading off with &quot;abuse&quot; accusations instead of individual replies on the closed posts." CreationDate="2017-08-05T18:27:46.877" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7919" PostId="4567" Score="3" Text="Because I was curious (had to learn some more SQL): http://data.stackexchange.com/unix/query/705302/users-and-their-accepted-question-rate" CreationDate="2017-08-05T18:30:36.033" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7920" PostId="4567" Score="10" Text="I **completely** ignore your posts as a general rule as they are almost invariably a complete waste of time.  If one turns up in a review queue, I may look at it for long enough to decide whether I agree that it should be closed.  If I've read a significant part of one of your questions before realising it's another of your time-wasters, I may vote to close if it's a particularly bad instance of one of your posts, but mostly I just ignore it and move on (it's not even worth the effort to read enough of the Q to be able to decide if it's off-topic, a dupe, too broad, whatever)." CreationDate="2017-08-07T04:14:56.593" UserId="7696" />
  <row Id="7921" PostId="4567" Score="8" Text="Fortunately, most of your questions are easy to detect and ignore because they start with a huge slab of yellow quoted text.   If SE had the ability to ignore posts by particular users, you'd be first on my ignore list." CreationDate="2017-08-07T04:15:17.510" UserId="7696" />
  <row Id="7922" PostId="4568" Score="14" Text="The problem with Tim's posts is that he **never** makes **any** effort to figure things out himself.  He just posts a slab of text from a man page or some other documentation and demands &quot;interpret this for me&quot;.  Sometimes he includes his own misinterpretations.  He doesn't seem to ever learn from any answers (in fact, they often just spur several trivial variants of the same question) or even use basic language comprehension skills.  IMO his questions, especially the frequency and sheer mind-boggling vacuity of them, are an abuse of U&amp;L." CreationDate="2017-08-07T04:30:51.910" UserId="7696" />
  <row Id="7923" PostId="4568" Score="5" Text="This is the main reason I ignore his questions - there's no point answering them if he's not going to learn anything from the answer.  And if there's no point answering them, then there's no reason to waste time reading them." CreationDate="2017-08-07T04:35:14.160" UserId="7696" />
  <row Id="7924" PostId="4572" Score="1" Text="I don't know enough about this to have an opinion on whether a new tag is needed, so I'm not posting an answer, but note that you have enough rep to create a new tag. If you feel it is necessary, you can just write the new tag in and it will be created." CreationDate="2017-08-07T09:40:00.040" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7925" PostId="4572" Score="0" Text="@terdon: I might have a enough reputation but I have no idea about when a new tag should be created. As I said that it was just I who felt like the lack for a tag but I might as well be wrong. That's the reason I need advice from more experienced members here. If I could find a few members in favor of creating a tag for ASLR, I'd definitely do it." CreationDate="2017-08-07T10:06:04.167" UserId="152971" />
  <row Id="7926" PostId="4572" Score="1" Text="Of course, I just wanted to make sure you were aware that you had the right/ability to do it. As I said, I don't know enough about this subject to have an opinion and asking on Meta is never wrong. I'm sure someone who understands this better will offer an opinion." CreationDate="2017-08-07T10:18:38.090" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7927" PostId="4568" Score="5" Text="@cas - that's been my experience as well." CreationDate="2017-08-07T12:43:36.567" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="7928" PostId="2816" Score="3" Text="The name changed back to macOS again in 2016, this time with a lower case M." CreationDate="2017-08-07T15:30:59.143" UserId="187960" />
  <row Id="7929" PostId="4575" Score="0" Text="I think the wording is bad. It does not state what you say the intention is. It says in one bullet point: &quot;The Unix foundation underlying OS X [...]&quot;, period. And in the next: &quot;The underlying *nix OS on an embedded system or handheld device [...]&quot;. *Nothing* is said about Unix foundations in general, only other very specific topics like shell scritping, administration, etc." CreationDate="2017-08-07T17:01:49.600" UserId="187960" />
  <row Id="7930" PostId="4575" Score="0" Text="@johanmyreen Perhaps rewrite your question to include a suggestion for a better wording?" CreationDate="2017-08-07T17:31:11.620" UserId="21109" />
  <row Id="7931" PostId="4575" Score="4" Text="@JohanMyréen everything UNIX is explicitly on topic, I don't really see why that should be restated there. The text you quote is to specify that for systems that aren't entirely UNIXY but close, we only support the UNIX side of things. So we don't make *everything* android or macOS on topic, only those bits of them that are common across \*nix systems. The rest is covered by the first bullet point: *Using or administering a \*nix desktop or server*. That is as broad as it gets." CreationDate="2017-08-08T10:43:20.490" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7932" PostId="4575" Score="0" Text="&quot;Using and administering&quot; does not cover &quot;foundation&quot;, in my opinion. Somebody may be interested in how page faults are handled in the kernel, or the structure of the Ext4 file system." CreationDate="2017-08-08T10:55:37.917" UserId="187960" />
  <row Id="7933" PostId="4575" Score="1" Text="@JohanMyréen that comes under administering, if you like. The main point is that the first sentence already states that this site is for users of Linux, FreeBSD and other Un*x-like operating systems. We only need to define specific subscopes for the weirdos of the *nix family." CreationDate="2017-08-08T16:54:10.210" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7934" PostId="4567" Score="3" Text="**I think your primary error is in expecting the Bash man page to fully make sense.**  It just doesn't.  You have to learn to live with that.  Bash itself is useful.  But the man page can NOT be read in isolation.  In other words, it's not a set of *specifications.*  It's an often-confusing *description* of how Bash works.  I've run into this confusion myself; see https://unix.stackexchange.com/q/339506/135943 which got a decently good reception by the community.  (Though plenty of &quot;what's the point?&quot; questions in chat *which I fully answered.*)" CreationDate="2017-08-09T05:07:55.947" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="7935" PostId="4581" Score="0" Text="it is randomly." CreationDate="2017-08-09T08:46:28.993" UserId="239156" />
  <row Id="7936" PostId="4581" Score="0" Text="I means if the issue is caused by the hardware, I can ask here ? I am not sure if is caused by the hardware." CreationDate="2017-08-09T08:47:49.003" UserId="239156" />
  <row Id="7937" PostId="4581" Score="0" Text="@lustre you don't know if it is the hardware. It might be, or it might not be. So yes, you can ask. If you were 100% sure the problem was bad hardware, then there would be no point in asking anyway since there is nothing you can do. Since you don't know, just ask." CreationDate="2017-08-09T08:48:56.890" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7938" PostId="4226" Score="0" Text="@slm it's a pity [tag:wsl] wasn't made a synonym, now I have to use `sub` as the shortest phrase that can get that tag to appear in the list" CreationDate="2017-08-10T06:31:06.257" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="7939" PostId="4582" Score="2" Text="There is a search box on the top right of the page.  Google searches will often lead you to this site as well.  Finally when you start building your question you will see suggested related questions either above the question form or to the right of it." CreationDate="2017-08-10T15:19:15.460" UserId="237982" />
  <row Id="7940" PostId="4582" Score="4" Text="If you are talking about a question which _has already been closed as duplicate_, there will be a link at the top of the page to the preferred question as well as the block comment that it is closed as a duplicate." CreationDate="2017-08-10T15:25:46.020" UserId="181036" />
  <row Id="7941" PostId="4582" Score="0" Text="@Hunter.S.Thompson meta access require 5 reputation point." CreationDate="2017-08-10T15:36:35.003" UserId="79818" />
  <row Id="7942" PostId="4567" Score="3" Text="In a fit of irony, I cast a Vote to Close as Opinion-Based on *this* Question, as I'm still waiting for evidence to support the claim that I abuse votes for &quot;personal attack, retaliation, stereotyping and discrimination or badge gaming&quot; or for &quot;endlessly mocking and discriminating&quot;. I'm also not sure why you're intentionally misspelling cas' username as &quot;mas or sas&quot; -- are you not sure how it's spelled, or are *you* not Being Nice?" CreationDate="2017-08-17T11:03:40.463" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7943" PostId="4584" Score="0" Text="That question has been through the reopen queue and left closed (3x leave closed, 1x reopen). Edits on closed questions do automatically put them into the queue." CreationDate="2017-08-18T07:50:01.237" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="7944" PostId="4584" Score="2" Text="It may also be relevant that the question [has been edited *more* after going through the queue](https://unix.stackexchange.com/posts/386689/timeline), which doesn't put it back in." CreationDate="2017-08-18T08:56:55.420" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="7945" PostId="4584" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHomer You mean if someone does an insufficient edit on a closed question, some people give their vote to keep it closed, but then comes a good edit while the queue is still open, the given votes still count?" CreationDate="2017-08-18T14:47:27.490" UserId="216004" />
  <row Id="7946" PostId="4584" Score="3" Text="My understanding is that once something is cleared from (any) queue, it can't go back in again until the votes have aged away. 3x &quot;Leave Closed&quot; (or 3x &quot;Leave Open&quot;) removes the entry from the queue, and a further edit or vote won't put it back. The reopen votes remain live though, for someone who visited the question directly." CreationDate="2017-08-18T21:26:16.737" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="7947" PostId="4584" Score="0" Text="For me, this is one more reason to change the handling of a failed reopening: Not only better feedback (was rejected again after the edit, perhaps new reason for closing), but also a second chance to be reopened. But on the other hand a mechanism is required to prevent a question to be reopened over and over by trivial edits." CreationDate="2017-08-19T08:50:11.077" UserId="216004" />
  <row Id="7948" PostId="4590" Score="2" Text="https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/48579/307535" CreationDate="2017-08-21T01:05:58.997" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7949" PostId="4591" Score="0" Text="So would an acceptable answer for a question related to Debian Squeeze (3 versions old now) be &quot;Upgrade to a more recent distribution, that feature was added 2 releases ago&quot; ?" CreationDate="2017-08-21T10:39:49.220" UserId="204448" />
  <row Id="7950" PostId="4591" Score="0" Text="@ivanivan That's one way to interpret what I wrote, but, hmmm... no, that doesn't sound quite right. You can't always upgrade an entire system (or install a new one) to solve an issue. It obviously depends on the issue and context." CreationDate="2017-08-21T10:47:51.777" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="7951" PostId="4591" Score="1" Text="@ivanivan Adding an answer saying &quot;This is a known issue with version 1 of `frob` in Squeeze, and the issue was solved with version 2 of the `frob` daemon in Xenial. This is how you can get the latest version of it running in Squeeze...&quot; would be better." CreationDate="2017-08-21T11:10:48.473" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="7954" PostId="534" Score="3" Text="@tjameson That's only answers." CreationDate="2017-08-22T11:01:20.970" UserId="129690" />
  <row Id="7955" PostId="4584" Score="1" Text="@MichaelHomer FWIW, I sometimes notice questions in the reopen queue that have been pushed there with only minor edits (spelling etc.). Rejecting the reopening of these questions would basically sentence them to eternally being closed... unless someone manually votes to reopen them later. This is a bit wrong." CreationDate="2017-08-22T12:40:54.033" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="7956" PostId="4584" Score="0" Text="How about a question is kept open, mainly because it ends up being marked all too fast as a duplicate answer. Take my own question from yesterday as an example:https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/387740/make-awk-print-the-line-that-match-a-variable-and-the-next-n-lines-and-use-a-var?noredirect=1#comment690183_387740 . This has already been marked as a duplicate answer. I can see that there are elements that are related, but the duplicate answer does not answer my initial question. As a beginner in unix I find that epxert-users have tendency of marking questions as duplicate a bit too fast" CreationDate="2017-08-23T08:25:47.127" UserId="227283" />
  <row Id="7957" PostId="4593" Score="0" Text="Thank for your answer. I know that things (I'm big stackoverflow user in fact); and in this case, I explain all I know about my problem: What I can see of the problem, how I do to get the error, and that I don't know what kind of command or anything could be used as a clue to fix the problem. The comments was posted after my post was reopen, and now I'm ok to discuss about this problem and slowly find a solution with the help of the community :)" CreationDate="2017-08-24T07:23:22.313" UserId="246427" />
  <row Id="7958" PostId="4595" Score="0" Text="+1, and favorite the question to come back for that comment, if it's still needed." CreationDate="2017-08-24T16:33:37.763" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7959" PostId="4595" Score="1" Text="See also: https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/q/528/117549" CreationDate="2017-08-25T14:37:53.403" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7960" PostId="4596" Score="4" Text="just pointing out that the OP here had declared &quot;...yet wouldn't warrant it's own answer&quot;" CreationDate="2017-08-25T16:55:58.723" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7961" PostId="4594" Score="2" Text="Glad you reached your 50 rep so quickly.  Took me couple weeks to reach that point." CreationDate="2017-08-25T18:15:00.383" UserId="145784" />
  <row Id="7962" PostId="4594" Score="0" Text="Thanks! It took a bit of hanging around the new questions page, but I think it was worth it" CreationDate="2017-08-25T18:27:25.350" UserId="209558" />
  <row Id="7963" PostId="4594" Score="0" Text="I think asking on here helped too.  People read your question (it's on the Featured list), and then look up your posts, and upvote them if they think they're good-quality.  :)" CreationDate="2017-08-25T18:29:39.800" UserId="145784" />
  <row Id="7964" PostId="4594" Score="0" Text="Yeah for sure! I've had a few posts upvoted that are quite old. I don't care too much about the rep, but its a bit of a hassle if I can't contribute effectively" CreationDate="2017-08-25T18:55:00.893" UserId="209558" />
  <row Id="7965" PostId="4597" Score="1" Text="Sounds reasonable." CreationDate="2017-08-25T20:41:33.453" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="7966" PostId="4598" Score="1" Text="My understanding (insert grain of salt) was that negative consequences only arose when you deleted *negatively-voted* Questions/Answers." CreationDate="2017-08-26T01:59:44.920" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7967" PostId="4594" Score="1" Text="Sorry, but https://xkcd.com/386/  ;-)" CreationDate="2017-08-26T12:37:57.080" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="7968" PostId="4594" Score="0" Text="That's exactly what happened" CreationDate="2017-08-26T12:39:16.840" UserId="209558" />
  <row Id="7969" PostId="4598" Score="1" Text="https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/86997/what-can-i-do-when-getting-we-are-no-longer-accepting-questions-answers-from-th" CreationDate="2017-08-26T12:40:25.040" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7970" PostId="4597" Score="2" Text="Makes sense to me as well." CreationDate="2017-08-27T01:28:33.770" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="7971" PostId="4597" Score="0" Text="I'll carry on with the tagging efforts, then. I assume we need to ping a moderator to create the synonym?" CreationDate="2017-08-27T01:29:31.703" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7972" PostId="4601" Score="0" Text="If you really want to delete this question, there should be a &quot;delete&quot; link towards the bottom of it, next to &quot;share&quot;, &quot;edit&quot;, and &quot;close&quot;" CreationDate="2017-08-28T00:27:19.663" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7973" PostId="4601" Score="0" Text="If you're curious about [my comment](https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/388531/was-debian-the-first-distribution-to-come-and-have-the-idea-of-changelog-gz-and?noredirect=1#comment692170_388531), let me know, and I can expound on it." CreationDate="2017-08-28T00:27:59.417" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7974" PostId="4601" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller I'm curious to know how you assumed or anybody else assumed that I had abandoned that question, and for the record, I do NOT want to delete it but really ask and get answer to my query/question given in https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/388531/was-debian-the-first-distribution-to-come-and-have-the-idea-of-changelog-gz-and" CreationDate="2017-08-28T00:34:02.123" UserId="50490" />
  <row Id="7975" PostId="4601" Score="0" Text="I was responding here to your question text &quot;can somebody close this question please&quot; -- if you intend to leave it open for someone (e.g. me) to respond, I'd suggest removing that text from this question." CreationDate="2017-08-28T00:35:43.247" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7976" PostId="4601" Score="0" Text="I don't understand what you need here. If your question has been answered by the one you link to (not sure how, they're not duplicates), you can just delete it. Is there something else you are wondering about?" CreationDate="2017-08-28T08:09:04.970" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7977" PostId="3705" Score="0" Text="There are a few users who try to do Reputation farming by fixing just a few things in very bad posts and leaving the mess; I usually reject the edit as &quot;no improvement whatsoever&quot;. I've also just rejected an edit about spelling on an answer &quot;I have this problem too&quot; which will be deleted anyway soon." CreationDate="2017-08-28T08:16:00.013" UserId="34039" />
  <row Id="7978" PostId="4601" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller just edited the question a bit to make it more clear." CreationDate="2017-08-28T09:26:06.490" UserId="50490" />
  <row Id="7979" PostId="4601" Score="0" Text="I assume you mean why a question had 1..4 close votes? Because once it is closed, a message appears with the reason." CreationDate="2017-08-28T10:33:09.833" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7980" PostId="4601" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller I understand that, what I meant was shouldn't there be a way to let the asker/questionnaire know why it was closed. When I put up a close vote, there are a number of reasons for which I can put up a close vote, maybe the question is off-topic, maybe its a duplicate, in my question it isn't apparent why people closed it, that's what I'm trying to ascertain. For e.g. I saw quite a few people put up history questions including myself and people answered so wondering." CreationDate="2017-08-28T10:43:53.507" UserId="50490" />
  <row Id="7981" PostId="4601" Score="0" Text="Your question has not (yet) been closed. Proposed duplicate-closures will insert a comment with a link to the target Q; for other types, people may or may not leave comments, but in the end, there's always stock text that's added to closed questions." CreationDate="2017-08-28T16:09:50.700" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7982" PostId="4603" Score="4" Text="Do you really need 15 *thousand* lines? I can't imagine why all of them would be relevant." CreationDate="2017-08-29T12:33:11.653" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="7983" PostId="4603" Score="2" Text="No, summarize the timings. Use your own words to sum up the results." CreationDate="2017-08-29T12:35:51.993" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="7984" PostId="4603" Score="2" Text="Maybe make ASCII histograms of the data" CreationDate="2017-08-29T16:24:04.963" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="7985" PostId="4603" Score="0" Text="@terdon They are timings of processes. ~3600 files x 3 lines reported by `time` plus empty new lines. It's to document the process using GNU Parallel. Ok, I will try to summarise. And maybe some ascii histograms are a good idea!" CreationDate="2017-08-30T09:01:29.673" UserId="13011" />
  <row Id="7986" PostId="4604" Score="2" Text="Seems reasonable to me -- retag the extended-attributes Qs to xattr, then make it a synonym of xattr." CreationDate="2017-08-30T17:03:22.197" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7987" PostId="4602" Score="0" Text="thank you, didn't know about that." CreationDate="2017-08-30T17:03:50.957" UserId="50490" />
  <row Id="7988" PostId="4604" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller I've now retagged  the extended-attributes Qs to xattr — peer review is pending. However, for creating a tag synonym I'm lacking the required privilege." CreationDate="2017-08-31T11:41:24.683" UserId="28433" />
  <row Id="7989" PostId="4604" Score="1" Text="I think I approved most of them; don't forget to look for other improvements (tags, grammar, formatting, etc) in posts as you're editing." CreationDate="2017-08-31T12:19:52.660" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7990" PostId="4604" Score="1" Text="@JeffSchaller Of course. I'll do my best. Will you care for creating the tag synonym?" CreationDate="2017-08-31T14:16:21.363" UserId="28433" />
  <row Id="7991" PostId="4604" Score="3" Text="I don't think these should be synonyms; `xattr` is a tool and &quot;extended attributes&quot; is a concept and filesystem feature that is accessed many ways, mostly not through that particular tool. It would be better to separate them and have the excerpts be clear on which to use. It's reasonable for somebody to have expertise on the tool, but not the general concept, and vice-versa." CreationDate="2017-09-02T03:32:56.497" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="7993" PostId="2565" Score="0" Text="X509 tag is now empty; please synonymize it with certificates." CreationDate="2017-09-03T15:46:00.933" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7994" PostId="4607" Score="1" Text="I'm not sure &quot;meta-tag&quot; is the word I'd use.  But it certainly doesn't convey much information, because it's very common to ask about something that's failed.  I imagine &quot;network failure&quot; might be mildly interesting to me as a search term...  hmm.  It might be more accurate to say I like &quot;network troubleshooting&quot;.  What do we think about the existence of the &quot;troubleshooting&quot; tag?  At least it excludes the ambiguity with &quot;return-status&quot;." CreationDate="2017-09-04T20:07:37.023" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="7995" PostId="4608" Score="3" Text="I have just finished un-tagging questions; [tag:failure] is now empty. Please blacklist it. Thank you!" CreationDate="2017-09-05T00:43:41.900" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7996" PostId="4607" Score="5" Text="Failures of some sort are what the whole site's about -- failure of expectations or of software or of hardware.  I think that &quot;troubleshooting&quot; smells like a meta tag. Ah! [here's a previous meta discussion of some meta tags](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/554/killing-a-few-meta-tags-and-please-write-tag-wikis)" CreationDate="2017-09-05T01:04:45.747" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="7997" PostId="4604" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHomer, I agree.  You should put that as an answer." CreationDate="2017-09-07T04:05:32.393" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="7999" PostId="4609" Score="0" Text="xattr is not just that one tool: it's the name used in system calls, kernel structs etc. in at least [Linux](http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man2/listxattr.2.html) and [macOS/Darwin](https://developer.apple.com/legacy/library/documentation/Darwin/Reference/ManPages/man2/listxattr.2.html)." CreationDate="2017-09-07T17:18:10.003" UserId="62566" />
  <row Id="8000" PostId="4609" Score="0" Text="Agreed, though many questions about those things are off-topic. It doesn't have another name and the broader concept does." CreationDate="2017-09-07T17:56:16.373" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="8001" PostId="4610" Score="1" Text="Also, you need to have 5 reputation to post on meta. So I cannot ask my meta question because I could be a bot. Which I am not." CreationDate="2017-09-08T20:15:59.073" UserId="244809" />
  <row Id="8002" PostId="4610" Score="1" Text="I've flagged the post for migration to the Meta site; is it just U&amp;L that you have a problem with, or all of Stack Exchange?" CreationDate="2017-09-08T20:19:44.050" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8003" PostId="4610" Score="0" Text="It's just U&amp;L. gaming.stackexchange.com 's mobile version works fine. Thanks for flagging!" CreationDate="2017-09-08T20:21:49.557" UserId="244809" />
  <row Id="8004" PostId="4610" Score="5" Text="Could you add a little more detail on what doesn’t work? I use the mobile site (not the app) quite a lot, it works fine for me (on a Nexus 5 running Android N)." CreationDate="2017-09-08T20:26:52.757" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="8005" PostId="4608" Score="1" Text="@JeffSchaller moderators can't blacklist. Only devs/CM's" CreationDate="2017-09-09T22:43:09.663" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="8006" PostId="4125" Score="0" Text="The tag is now devoid of questions." CreationDate="2017-09-10T02:02:47.510" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8007" PostId="4608" Score="0" Text="Thanks, Braiam! I am *still* bookmarking various meta posts to remind me how this site works. @slm, according to [this](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/239192/307535), someone needs to flag this post for moderator attention, or contact the devs personally. I have a cool, refreshing beverage at the ready, so let me know if I should reach out or if you already have. Thanks!" CreationDate="2017-09-10T02:55:04.057" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8008" PostId="4125" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller Which tag? [77 questions tagged parallel](https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/parallel)" CreationDate="2017-09-10T19:47:02.490" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="8009" PostId="4125" Score="0" Text="Wow; guess I had a stale search result; sorry for the confusion. I'll continue working through them." CreationDate="2017-09-10T20:05:56.327" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8010" PostId="4612" Score="0" Text="Linking: https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2968/psa-if-you-are-not-going-to-spend-any-effort-writing-an-useful-tag-wiki-excerpt" CreationDate="2017-09-11T00:58:40.480" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8011" PostId="4612" Score="0" Text="Linking: https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/a/353/117549" CreationDate="2017-09-11T00:59:29.933" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8012" PostId="4612" Score="0" Text="Linking: https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/q/554/117549" CreationDate="2017-09-11T00:59:45.983" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8013" PostId="4612" Score="0" Text="Linking: https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/q/1034/117549" CreationDate="2017-09-11T01:00:50.387" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8014" PostId="4609" Score="1" Text="Any consideration for making the tag for the tool `xattr-tool`, or something more descriptive than just `xattr` to make it very clear that the tag is not referring to extended attributes in general?" CreationDate="2017-09-11T05:01:58.057" UserId="621" />
  <row Id="8015" PostId="4613" Score="2" Text="My 2 cents: replace that tag with &quot;terminal&quot; if it's not there already." CreationDate="2017-09-11T16:00:52.190" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8016" PostId="4597" Score="0" Text="Also: dualhead (https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/dualhead?sort=newest)" CreationDate="2017-09-11T16:04:20.877" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8017" PostId="4612" Score="0" Text="Of course, this raises the question of whether [tag:boot] incorporates [tag:bootloader]." CreationDate="2017-09-16T14:18:29.880" UserId="5132" />
  <row Id="8018" PostId="4612" Score="0" Text="Great question; my initial assumption didn't meet the boot tag description. I'd suggest we fix one of my mistakes with this question and open a separate thread to discuss boot-related tags." CreationDate="2017-09-16T14:20:56.547" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8020" PostId="4612" Score="0" Text="Bah! I started writing the tag wiki for [tag:boot-loader] at the weekend and while researching related tags, I noticed that there is a fair amount of overlap with [tag:boot]. Anyhow, I've submitted my work for peer review." CreationDate="2017-09-18T21:47:54.810" UserId="22812" />
  <row Id="8021" PostId="4616" Score="2" Text="We definitely like high-quality, broad answers (or, perhaps better, broad questions with multiple high-quality answers that partition the problem space). We frequently refer to them as &quot;canonical&quot; or &quot;reference&quot; questions. We can close (new) questions as duplicates of a canonical question, or at least refer to a standard, common, detailed answer. See [Let's compile a list of canonical Q&amp;As](/q/2708/23408) for a list of frequently asked questions; [What are the shell's control and redirection operators?](//unix.stackexchange.com/q/159513/23408) might be a good prototype for what you want to do." CreationDate="2017-09-19T02:08:20.317" UserId="23408" />
  <row Id="8022" PostId="4612" Score="1" Text="I've split [autocomplete out to a separate question](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4618/can-you-improve-the-autocomplete-tag) to keep this question from dragging out. I'll create a separate boot/bootloader Q if/when I can get my head around it." CreationDate="2017-09-20T01:53:40.683" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8023" PostId="4616" Score="0" Text="I've written one question &amp; answer so far: [*How do I configure SELinux to allow daemons to use files in non-default locations?*](https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/392833/configure-selinux-to-allow-daemons-to-use-files-in-non-default-locations/392834#392834), which covers 4 different recent SELinux questions I have answered. The answers on the other questions cover a subset of the generic question and therefore I am not sure such questions would qualify as (exact) duplicates, even that generic question does cover and answer them." CreationDate="2017-09-20T14:23:39.580" UserId="239817" />
  <row Id="8024" PostId="4125" Score="0" Text="*now* [the parallel tag](https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/parallel) is devoid of questions." CreationDate="2017-09-29T01:42:32.857" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8025" PostId="4125" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller Yay! Thank you! Please make that an answer so we can remove this meta thread from the unanswered list." CreationDate="2017-09-29T16:31:23.957" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="8026" PostId="4624" Score="1" Text="thanks for the information about 200 reputations, want to upvote your answer but sadly I need minimum 15 reputations :p" CreationDate="2017-10-02T16:14:10.340" UserId="198070" />
  <row Id="8027" PostId="4625" Score="2" Text="We have several other Linux distributions represented here, with their distro-specific questions; hopefully you don't think SUSE is off-topic here?" CreationDate="2017-10-04T11:17:50.493" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8028" PostId="4625" Score="3" Text="The tags should not be used only to identify the distro the person asking the question happens to be using. So don't take the number of questions tagged with SuSe as an indication of how many SuSe questions we have or how welcome SuSe is here. It is absolutely welcome. Personally, I am *very* strongly against distro-specific sites. They're on topic here, why make a new one?" CreationDate="2017-10-04T17:06:16.290" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="8029" PostId="4625" Score="0" Text="By the way, if you're mean [this proposal](http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/113962/opensuse) it has already bee closed as a duplicate of U&amp;L." CreationDate="2017-10-04T17:08:34.530" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="8030" PostId="4631" Score="1" Text="I know for a fact you can delete your own upvoted answer.  I'm pretty sure that you can delete your own upvoted question as well, *provided* that no one has supplied an upvoted answer.  (If you want to be certain about this, search on meta.stackexchange.com.)" CreationDate="2017-10-07T05:14:06.260" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="8031" PostId="4631" Score="6" Text="@Wildcard, yes but I assume the OP is less likely to delete a positive scoring question.  So, if I am going to upvote the question, I start there." CreationDate="2017-10-07T05:32:41.217" UserId="208146" />
  <row Id="8032" PostId="4632" Score="2" Text="I noticed. I wrote an answer to the same question describing what was wrong, how to write it in an idiomatic `awk` way and also mentioned why the `{ print $0 }` could be left out. Is a misunderstanding of how the test for equality works in `awk` a &quot;typo&quot;?" CreationDate="2017-10-08T08:21:24.973" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="8033" PostId="4630" Score="3" Text="I sometimes answer or hint in a comment instead of posting an answer on beginner questions where there's so much confusion that it's unlikely to have any future value.  I'd *rather* the OP delete their question than have it clutter up people's search results." CreationDate="2017-10-08T21:31:39.530" UserId="79808" />
  <row Id="8034" PostId="4632" Score="3" Text="@Kusalananda: This kind of answers not only solving the problem, but teaching the OP a better use of tools is highly valuable for the OP! It could also be to some others, but they won't get attracted to it by the original question. So see it this way: You are investing your time almost only for the OP; if he is deleting his question before you can post, he didn't deserve your good answer anyhow." CreationDate="2017-10-09T12:22:48.407" UserId="216004" />
  <row Id="8035" PostId="4623" Score="0" Text="Please give your votes anyhow! They will be counted as soon as you earned the priviledge." CreationDate="2017-10-09T12:29:48.223" UserId="216004" />
  <row Id="8036" PostId="4625" Score="0" Text="There's really no reason for individual SE sites for the different distros. Ubuntu is a exception to this given the sheer amount of &quot;newb&quot; questions it generates, beyond that U&amp;L can cover all distros of *nix." CreationDate="2017-10-09T16:19:14.213" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="8037" PostId="4629" Score="3" Text="Is there a penalty for people deleting their questions? I generally encourage people who ask if they should delete their question, to leave their questions up (&quot;there is no stupid question...&quot;), but nothing can be done if the question just disappears. I'm not sure how to discourage question deletions (and there are some questions that *should* be deleted, but few enough to be left to moderators perhaps): perhaps some sort of graduated penalty?" CreationDate="2017-10-09T19:19:51.560" UserId="230615" />
  <row Id="8038" PostId="3070" Score="0" Text="I enjoy it when a customer will ask me, &quot;Is it *possible* to do such-n-such?&quot; and my answer (under my breath) is, &quot;YES, of course it's *possible* -- how much are you willing to PAY?&quot;" CreationDate="2017-10-10T23:12:04.973" UserId="205734" />
  <row Id="8039" PostId="4600" Score="0" Text="Hm, I thought the warnings were geared toward people who post a series of bad questions and/or answers, and then delete the ones with the lowest (negative) scores in the hopes of making them &quot;go away&quot; and not count toward a ban." CreationDate="2017-10-12T01:33:02.930" UserId="23408" />
  <row Id="8040" PostId="4634" Score="6" Text="Why illegal? And if some poor dupe has bought something on ebay that was stolen, why penalize them? We're not here to enforce any laws after all." CreationDate="2017-10-12T13:55:07.273" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="8041" PostId="4633" Score="2" Text="Your understating is incorrect; see https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/86998/270345 for more" CreationDate="2017-10-12T14:24:57.107" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="8042" PostId="4635" Score="0" Text="The ban appears to have been revoked now. Thank you for taking the time to explain. When a question ban is in place there is a message which appears saying 'in six months you will be given the opportunity to ask another question', which is what led me to believe the ban would be lifted at this time, or that there would be the opportunity to get it lifted." CreationDate="2017-10-12T14:33:37.093" UserId="138973" />
  <row Id="8043" PostId="4635" Score="2" Text="@PeterDavidCarter We don't have the ability to unban you, and you still show up as question banned for me; as far as I know it will never go away unless you post some answers that get enough upvotes or a Stack Exchange employee unbans you manually. I've never heard of that 6 months message before, I'm not sure what it's referring to" CreationDate="2017-10-12T15:09:00.247" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="8044" PostId="4635" Score="0" Text="So Answer activity is the only activity that counts for this? Not other point garnering/site improving activity, such as edits?" CreationDate="2017-10-12T15:13:38.293" UserId="138973" />
  <row Id="8045" PostId="4635" Score="0" Text="@PeterDavidCarter Hmm, good question. Stack Exchange hasn't shared much info about how bans work; the only reason we know that upvotes on answers can help with a question ban is because it was mentioned by a developer in [this post](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/68884/why-cant-i-ask-questions-on-stackoverflow/68885#68885). So you can try other things like editing, but I don't have any evidence as to if it will help or not" CreationDate="2017-10-12T15:16:47.233" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="8046" PostId="4634" Score="1" Text="Recommending to return the device and request a refund or fix of the problem isn't a penalty from my point of view but constructive feedback so that such devices don't get into average consumers hands. If you have an easier or better solution and have no doubts that this is similar to the hackintosh context, then I'm all ears. What ever solves the problem is good enough for me." CreationDate="2017-10-12T15:42:34.973" UserId="49853" />
  <row Id="8047" PostId="4634" Score="4" Text="I'm trying to understand if there is a problem and what that problem would be. I might simply be misunderstanding you here, I don't have any experience with this sort of &quot;enterprise&quot; hardware. However, I do know that we don't enforce laws on SE since i) we're not lawyers and ii) this is an international site and the jurisdiction would be complicated. Where would this be illegal? Where is the OP? Also, what would the answer be? If there is one, we may as well give it. If it's impossible, we can say that. Are you suggesting we consider these questions off topic? On what grounds?" CreationDate="2017-10-12T15:49:09.333" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="8048" PostId="4634" Score="1" Text="I'm also not a lawyer. All I know is that [someone](https://coolstar.org/chromebook/) from the hacking community probably knows how but isn't willing to share this info for some reason. Unless someone else knows how (MrChromebox offers Unbricking) and is willing to share then we don't have an answer, thus returning such a device looks like the best advice to me. If it was all fine and dandy it would have probably been posted on https://www.chromium.org/chromium-os by now where you can find all of the other info to dig around in the OS and hardware internals. Sorry that's really all I know." CreationDate="2017-10-12T16:11:43.337" UserId="49853" />
  <row Id="8049" PostId="4634" Score="3" Text="Fair enough. And thanks for bringing this up. I'm not trying to argue here, only to understand." CreationDate="2017-10-12T16:12:44.793" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="8050" PostId="4626" Score="1" Text="https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4150/4358" CreationDate="2017-10-15T16:30:00.613" UserId="4358" />
  <row Id="8051" PostId="4629" Score="1" Text="@Nick Users who keep to delete their question, especially when questions have a negative score, will be blocked from asking further questions." CreationDate="2017-10-15T18:15:50.493" UserId="1114" />
  <row Id="8052" PostId="4629" Score="0" Text="Yes, a comment that seems an answer is sometime a way to get more information back from the OP, and try to understand what the OP means. Users who comment to get information back from the OP should not be punished" CreationDate="2017-10-15T18:18:17.853" UserId="1114" />
  <row Id="8053" PostId="4627" Score="0" Text="A Kali Linux SE. on the other hand, would be [an excellent idea](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/a/3605/6761)..." CreationDate="2017-10-16T03:09:34.853" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="8054" PostId="4637" Score="3" Text="https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/3353/270345" CreationDate="2017-10-17T14:27:34.643" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="8055" PostId="4637" Score="0" Text="@muru I can not remove the `status-declined` tag." CreationDate="2017-10-17T14:41:19.967" UserId="7167" />
  <row Id="8056" PostId="4637" Score="4" Text="Obviously not. That's a mod tag. The SE people have spoken, and that request is declined." CreationDate="2017-10-17T14:42:09.367" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="8057" PostId="4629" Score="3" Text="Answers in comments (a) don't get the question off the unanswered questions list; (b) discourage anyone else from writing an answer; (c) aren't effectively voted on, since they can't be downvoted. At least when I see someone has already answered in a comment, I don't post a fleshed out version of it as an answer like I would have otherwise (instead I normally comment to ask the person who left the comment to please convert his/her comment in to an answer)." CreationDate="2017-10-17T17:08:27.780" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="8058" PostId="4629" Score="3" Text="@derobert b) is demonstrably false. Look through the number of questions where an answer is *first* posted as a comment. c) is irrelevant, and a) perturbs me not at all." CreationDate="2017-10-17T17:15:18.213" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="8059" PostId="4637" Score="1" Text="If there's a comment that you feel [isn't nice](https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/be-nice) or needs moderator intervention, then flag it." CreationDate="2017-10-17T19:12:40.497" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8060" PostId="4637" Score="1" Text="@JeffSchaller &quot;moderator intervention&quot; means censorship. I like to avoid being annoyed without asking for censorship." CreationDate="2017-10-18T07:39:13.440" UserId="7167" />
  <row Id="8062" PostId="4621" Score="1" Text="Related: [What to do when an anonymous user insists they are the OP for an edit?](https://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/3563/what-to-do-when-an-anonymous-user-insists-they-are-the-op-for-an-edit) (on [meta.ubuntu.se]), [Should I perform a duck test when reviewing suggested edits?](https://meta.superuser.com/questions/12690/should-i-perform-a-duck-test-when-reviewing-suggested-edits) (on [Super User Meta](https://meta.superuser.com/))" CreationDate="2017-10-19T18:25:39.687" UserId="11938" />
  <row Id="8063" PostId="4640" Score="11" Text="I just give them this link: `https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/399627/256455` - your answer here is actually a really good answer" CreationDate="2017-10-22T01:06:54.037" UserId="256455" />
  <row Id="8065" PostId="4641" Score="12" Text="If there was a Community Service badge, you just earned it." CreationDate="2017-10-22T02:15:58.613" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="8067" PostId="4641" Score="31" Text="I’m not (yet) sure that we should treat Kali questions specially. If they ask an unclear question it should be closed as unclear. They can then —themselves— decide to improve it or let it rot. IMHO closing as a dupe to “you’re in over your head” isn’t actually helpful as a solution to whatever particular problem they’re having" CreationDate="2017-10-22T02:43:01.497" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8068" PostId="4641" Score="1" Text="@jasonwryan, Actually I think Gilles earned that Community Service Badge quite a while ago.  But this certainly continues that tradition, and gives the rest of us something to aspire to." CreationDate="2017-10-22T03:30:18.980" UserId="208146" />
  <row Id="8070" PostId="4640" Score="0" Text="I'm not sure where you got all the statistics (SEDE?), but based on current search results, 33 [kali-linux] posts were deleted in September out of 467 posts deleted in September total (7.1%), 33 deleted in August out of 541 total (6.1%), and 417 deleted so far in 2017 out of 5412 total (7.7%)" CreationDate="2017-10-22T04:43:37.477" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="8071" PostId="4643" Score="2" Text="Similar counterpoint to Gilles’ Answer, though: the questions may be on-topic; in fact, the tag was created here, and advice given (at AU?) so that they could be asked here. I don’t see them as off-topic, but rather poorly-asked, which already has a close-reason." CreationDate="2017-10-22T11:26:59.837" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8072" PostId="4641" Score="1" Text="I saw your proposed question/answer and was tempted to down vote it as a display of why the asker was getting the help they deserved before I followed the link here. I like your idea of a having reference question but can I suggest you edit it slightly to indicate that is what it is, as currently it still looks like a legitimate whine." CreationDate="2017-10-22T12:05:46.550" UserId="86780" />
  <row Id="8073" PostId="4640" Score="7" Text="As a side note: *why* is Kali Linux so popular among the general (including the non-linux using) populace?" CreationDate="2017-10-22T12:52:13.160" UserId="188166" />
  <row Id="8074" PostId="4640" Score="4" Text="So few?  I'd have said that 4 in 5 kali-linux questions are massively downvoted and closed." CreationDate="2017-10-22T12:52:54.980" UserId="34039" />
  <row Id="8075" PostId="4641" Score="2" Text="@JeffSchaller If we close as unclear, we aren't helping them: they just find that nobody answers what they think is a perfectly fine question. My hope is that instead of doing that, we'll convey the message: use another distribution!" CreationDate="2017-10-22T13:07:07.393" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="8079" PostId="4644" Score="5" Text="My answer was indeed intended for type 1 questions. Most of the bad Kali questions are of this type. People who are seriously doing or learning pentesting tend to have a clue and ask decent questions. This question should not be mentioned, let alone used as a duplicate target, on questions where the asker isn't suffering due to his bad choice of distribution." CreationDate="2017-10-22T20:39:03.987" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="8080" PostId="4641" Score="4" Text="I find myself in large agreement with you, until we get to the poorly-asked Kali question (&quot;in over their head&quot;, &quot;unclear because they didn't explain&quot;, &quot;didn't paste error messages or relevant information&quot;) -- those are classic &quot;VTC as unclear&quot; for every other type of question here. I don't see a real difference in the amount of (direct, actual) help provided by VTC as a duplicate that says &quot;don't do that&quot; versus VTC as &quot;we don't understand you&quot;. Is there a benefit to the site overall between VTC-duplicate and VTC-unclear?" CreationDate="2017-10-22T20:39:57.623" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8081" PostId="4644" Score="9" Text="A mention in the tag wiki is not useful at all for clueless askers. Only people with a lot of SE experience read tag wikis. Tag wikis are useful to list common duplicate targets, for example — things that experienced users look for. They aren't useful to list information that novices look for." CreationDate="2017-10-22T20:40:17.210" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="8082" PostId="4641" Score="5" Text="@JeffSchaller To the site, not really. To the asker, yes: it gives them a solution. Granted, it may be a solution that they aren't willing to accept, but it's a solution that would work in most cases. Closing as unclear doesn't give a solution. The people who ask this kind of crap question are largely incapable of reading the closure message and figuring out how to write a better question, let alone figure out that they need to read the documentation." CreationDate="2017-10-22T20:42:36.947" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="8083" PostId="4641" Score="4" Text="I think I'm on the same page; I &quot;worry&quot; that we'll get too many knee-jerk VTC-dupes for any/all Kali questions, based on their poor history, but I don't know that I'll be saving many Good Questions, so I'm not going to fight for them." CreationDate="2017-10-22T20:45:25.233" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8084" PostId="4640" Score="24" Text="@TobiaTesan [We noticed a similar problem on Stack Overflow a while ago.](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/331586/free-us-from-the-cycle-of-kali-linux) Our best guess: publicity from _Mr. Robot_." CreationDate="2017-10-22T22:56:37.633" UserDisplayName="user130738" />
  <row Id="8085" PostId="4643" Score="2" Text="*&quot;I also do not quite understand why is it that kali attracts so many users of that kind.&quot;*: From my personal experience it is often along the lines of *&quot;Because Kali is a security-focused system while Windows is insecure (and Kali has a cool logo)&quot;*. Sad, I know, but this explains things..." CreationDate="2017-10-22T22:58:44.560" UserId="53965" />
  <row Id="8086" PostId="4469" Score="0" Text="Suggested rephrasing: &quot;What effect can it have on my account if my questions or answers receive too many downvotes?&quot;" CreationDate="2017-10-23T02:34:38.123" UserId="99163" />
  <row Id="8087" PostId="4640" Score="16" Text="@TobiaTesan Yes, a large part of the Kali user base (or should I say wannabe user base) are noobs who saw Mr. Robot and want to feel like r34l h4xx0rs.  So they try to install Kali, fail miserably, ask clueless questions on SE and get flamed." CreationDate="2017-10-23T07:13:20.333" UserId="34039" />
  <row Id="8088" PostId="4640" Score="0" Text="OK, so, questions like [Kali rolling vs kali sana repository](https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/399840/kali-rolling-vs-kali-sana-repository). Is that where we point to the new canonical question?" CreationDate="2017-10-23T07:31:15.350" UserId="18479" />
  <row Id="8089" PostId="4641" Score="1" Text="@Gilles - well you certainly tricked me in thinking your question was a genuine one just after I woke up and I even gave a general answer to it from the mobile app, thinking that you were a newbie. I think - if a person wants to learn, to overcome their difficulties that is the aspect to be encouraged. Probably interest in Kali will wane as it started. No reason really to treat those as questions very different to other linux questions IMHO. It is good that you are worried about rotting questions with 0 answers though." CreationDate="2017-10-23T11:32:14.117" UserId="54498" />
  <row Id="8091" PostId="4640" Score="6" Text="@dr01 remember that downvoted questions eventually get deleted, and disappear from the stats — this happens to *a lot* of Kali questions." CreationDate="2017-10-23T14:04:52.487" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="8092" PostId="4637" Score="1" Text="Censorship: the suppression or prohibition of any parts of books, films, news, etc. that are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security.  (I was going to comment on the applicability or inapplicability of this term to the discussion, but I think I shall let it stand for itself.)" CreationDate="2017-10-24T00:44:08.080" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="8093" PostId="4638" Score="0" Text="Your definition of &quot;not nice&quot; does not include narrow-minded self-opinionated nags, because it is a subjective judgment, which requires a subjective solution. And that exactly is an ignore list. It is a personal decision based on subjective reasons. Although you may wish SO may be no social interaction site, my social interaction on this side made me thinking about someone else he is a narrow-minded self-opinionated nag. And nothing you say will change my opinion. And I do not want to talk to you or anybody else about him. I just do not want to see his postings anymore. It could be so easy." CreationDate="2017-10-24T08:31:30.040" UserId="7167" />
  <row Id="8094" PostId="4641" Score="2" Text="I've updated the *kali-linux* tag with a link to Gilles' canonical answer." CreationDate="2017-10-24T15:17:55.937" UserId="22812" />
  <row Id="8095" PostId="94" Score="0" Text="Here in 2017 your link doesn't work.  The domain still seems valid, but I get a 404 on the page, and it offers to take a submission of an issue, but that form looks like a hassle." CreationDate="2017-10-24T22:34:56.083" UserId="124120" />
  <row Id="8096" PostId="4640" Score="0" Text="@StephenKitt, I thought 10K+ users could see deleted questions?  Can we see them but not search them, or what?" CreationDate="2017-10-25T00:58:07.787" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="8097" PostId="4640" Score="2" Text="@Wildcard 10K+ users can see deleted questions if they have a link to them, but they don’t appear in lists of questions, and they can’t be searched (you can search your own deleted posts using “deleted:1”, but that’s it AFAIK). They don’t appear in statistics either." CreationDate="2017-10-25T08:08:23.607" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="8098" PostId="4646" Score="1" Text="When was `nvidia-settings` called `display-settings`? I don't remember that at all and I'm 90% sure it was already called `nvidia-settings` when I first saw it back when I was using SuSe in ~03-04, long before this site was created." CreationDate="2017-10-25T10:08:30.447" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="8099" PostId="4646" Score="0" Text="@terdon I may be misremembering then. I thought there used to be a utility commonly installed as `/usr/bin/display-settings`, but I can't find any trace of it, so I must be mistaken." CreationDate="2017-10-25T19:09:56.367" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="8100" PostId="4645" Score="1" Text="Yes, this is exactly the perspective I was coming from when giving my answer to the original question :) (that I mistook for an actual newbie question); my poor answer - which does give a practical advice - now probably can compete for the most downvotes. If the question is if decent quality it should be answered at face value instead of telling not to use Kali." CreationDate="2017-10-25T21:05:14.527" UserId="54498" />
  <row Id="8101" PostId="4640" Score="0" Text="@StephenKitt I thought deleted questions were still counted in the stats.  Now this makes sense." CreationDate="2017-10-27T07:07:35.567" UserId="34039" />
  <row Id="8102" PostId="4640" Score="2" Text="I see oldies don't want to help others in Kali. Their most common tool - you don't know Kali so it is not for you. Learn Ubuntu etc then come here. &#xA;Not everyone like to study everything before doing practical. Also, learn and practice is also a thing many enjoy. But experts here dont want to share anything but give -ve mark in case of Kali. I think, it happen when any specialization comes. People does not like to share easily in that case." CreationDate="2017-10-29T09:28:33.313" UserId="31506" />
  <row Id="8103" PostId="4640" Score="28" Text="@Satya If you pay me I'll help you with what you want (but I'll still advise you not to start with Kali since you would be paying me to give you good advice). If you aren't paying me, I am entitled to ignore you. When we tell you not to start with Kali, we *are* helping you. If you refuse to listen, that's your problem." CreationDate="2017-10-29T11:11:06.190" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="8104" PostId="4640" Score="0" Text="@Gilles, yes, you can ignore us. Agree. I talked in reference to PHP, JS, etc questions and answers. There people just share many things for free. But that is not the case for any more specialised things like Kali." CreationDate="2017-10-30T13:48:31.183" UserId="31506" />
  <row Id="8105" PostId="4640" Score="7" Text="@SatyaPrakash People do share Kali answers just as much as PHP and so on. If you can't understand the answers… well, there's your problem." CreationDate="2017-10-30T20:04:28.083" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="8106" PostId="4648" Score="1" Text="Can you link to the example you are referring to, please? It's difficult to respond to something like this in general terms, but I don't think you can be expected to babysit members of this forum. Some basic knowledge and initiative should be expected." CreationDate="2017-11-01T06:12:05.600" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="8107" PostId="4648" Score="0" Text="I edited with the link" CreationDate="2017-11-01T14:12:13.673" UserId="116911" />
  <row Id="8109" PostId="4197" Score="3" Text="In general, I agree that the term 'GNU/Linux' should be used, wherever possible. It's not just about avoiding confusion, but also about giving a fair share of the credit to the GNU Project, which is responsible for a significant portion of the software used in these operating systems." CreationDate="2017-11-04T19:58:42.773" UserId="257802" />
  <row Id="8110" PostId="4194" Score="0" Text="Where are these years coming from? Linux kernel was first published in 1991 [\[1\]](https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.os.minix/dlNtH7RRrGA/SwRavCzVE7gJ)[\[2\]](https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/comp.os.minix/4995SivOl9o/GwqLJlPSlCEJ), even says so in the FSF articles you linked to." CreationDate="2017-11-05T00:31:10.390" UserId="239817" />
  <row Id="8112" PostId="4194" Score="0" Text="There is also a [tag:linux-kernel] tag  for questions about Linux kernel." CreationDate="2017-11-05T00:34:17.363" UserId="239817" />
  <row Id="8113" PostId="4194" Score="0" Text="@sebasth That was a typo. :-/ Thanks for pointing it out." CreationDate="2017-11-05T08:32:09.450" UserId="129690" />
  <row Id="8114" PostId="4652" Score="5" Text="No problem to solve." CreationDate="2017-11-06T22:08:03.080" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="8116" PostId="4654" Score="0" Text="Since there's only 6 questions in polkit, perhaps we could edit those posts to use policykit, then apply the synonyms?" CreationDate="2017-11-07T20:23:09.120" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8117" PostId="4654" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller I've edited those 6 questions to replace the polkit tag with policykit. Interestingly, none of them had an answer – aside from one self-answer." CreationDate="2017-11-07T22:59:21.123" UserId="22812" />
  <row Id="8118" PostId="4653" Score="0" Text="I've added the Support tag as creating a tag synonym requires help from either a moderator or a high-rep user." CreationDate="2017-11-07T23:10:04.967" UserId="22812" />
  <row Id="8119" PostId="4653" Score="1" Text="Indeed, only 3 users on the site qualify for even suggesting a synonym, so we lack the required 4 users to vote on them (ref: https://unix.stackexchange.com/tags/polkit/synonyms)" CreationDate="2017-11-08T01:54:29.933" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8120" PostId="4655" Score="0" Text="Edited, now you can change your vote." CreationDate="2017-11-08T10:57:16.257" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="8121" PostId="4658" Score="2" Text="Another option for “I think I like this and want to try it but not now “ would be to favorite the question to make it easier to find again. Favorites are easy to un-do as well." CreationDate="2017-11-08T12:42:55.367" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8122" PostId="4659" Score="2" Text="... what is the change here from the standard? If you're talking about the apt command, it looks like OP didn't have apt installed at all (the answer is suggesting manually installing the apt package, after all). If not having apt installed is standard on Kali, then isn't this a textbook example of a clueless user starting on Kali without knowing anything about it?" CreationDate="2017-11-08T15:33:05.043" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="8123" PostId="4659" Score="1" Text="@muru nothing whatsoever, I had completely misunderstood the issue. See updated answer." CreationDate="2017-11-08T15:56:04.257" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="8124" PostId="4660" Score="2" Text="did you perhaps have your answer-sorting set to &quot;active&quot;, in order to get the lower-scoring post above a higher-scoring one? (addressing only a minor aspect of your question, I know)" CreationDate="2017-11-08T18:19:29.010" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8125" PostId="4660" Score="0" Text="That explains that.  Thanks, seriously :).  I hadn't noticed the answer-sorting options.  Not sure if it's a tool I'd use often, unless I can see the _number_ of answers is high.  Also the accepted answer always being sorted first, it feels a bit unfamiliar." CreationDate="2017-11-08T19:03:23.767" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="8126" PostId="4660" Score="3" Text="It’s a sticky selection across the site, too, so if you change it on one question, subsequent pages will sort that way as well." CreationDate="2017-11-08T19:04:41.957" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8127" PostId="4661" Score="0" Text="I've tried re-wording the opening sentence of my question, to reflect the specific response I was trying to ask about.  Thx for pointing out that other Meta, and I indeed don't want anyone to be posting or discussing diagnoses.  By &quot;Flag it and move on&quot; I meant not to take any other action.  &quot;Downvote and move on&quot; is generally not good, in my understanding, because the poster sees negative feedback without an associated reason." CreationDate="2017-11-09T15:38:40.183" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="8128" PostId="4640" Score="6" Text="@satyaPrakash. I believe the point of this forum is to help people. Most of the questions under discussion come from new Linux users and Kali presents more problems to a new user than, say, Ubuntu. I feel that new users would learn the basics of Linux, and go on to competent use of Kali and its tools, **faster** if they didn't jump too far up the learning curve at the start. The most constructive advice for any wannabe &quot;penetration testers&quot; is probably to install the Kali tools in [Ubuntu] (https://askubuntu.com/questions/558679/can-i-install-kali-tools-on-ubuntu)" CreationDate="2017-11-09T15:42:09.540" UserId="217629" />
  <row Id="8129" PostId="4661" Score="1" Text="@sourcejedi no, downvoting and moving on is absolutely *fine*. If you feel particularly generous, you may choose to leave a comment explaining your downvote, but there is no rule that says you should. In fact, such comments often lead to problems because some folks take it personally. That's precisely why votes are anonymous. And, again, I'm afraid there's nothing we can do and we must protect the site at large. If someone's mental issues cause them to post useless posts, then we must treat them just like any other useless post: downvote and move on or, if particularly eggregious, flag." CreationDate="2017-11-09T15:50:43.287" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="8130" PostId="4661" Score="0" Text="Thanks for your description of existing site norms &amp; rules.[1]  I would consider what I describe in the question as close enough to egregious, at least because it's _rare_ enough to see, that I wouldn't feel guilty asking for moderator time.  [1] Perhaps I _selfishly_ want readers to understand when an answer is wrong, breaks down at point X, hence the question is still open... and showing the argument to join me in cancelling upvotes of the answer :).  I think I'm also allowed to have my own opinion on how generous people &quot;should&quot; want to be, so long as I'm not causing any trouble." CreationDate="2017-11-09T16:43:09.423" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="8131" PostId="4663" Score="0" Text="Thanks I found the solution so I closed" CreationDate="2017-11-09T17:24:26.207" UserId="16792" />
  <row Id="8132" PostId="4661" Score="0" Text="@sourcejedi since you (very correctly) aren't linking to the post (thanks, no reason to point fingers) I can't give you a specific answer, but do feel free to flag. Flags are private and only mods can see them. And of course you're allowed your opinion! I was just responding to your statement that downvoting without a comment is *generally not good, in your understanding*, which I had misread as stating you thought that was the general consensus, so I pointed out it isn't. You are, of course, free to comment or not as you wish." CreationDate="2017-11-09T18:14:39.800" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="8133" PostId="4663" Score="4" Text="@PhilipKirkbride please don't do that, if you can. If you've found the solution, post it as an answer and accept it. That way, the next person with the same problem will be able to find the answer." CreationDate="2017-11-09T18:48:59.090" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="8134" PostId="4663" Score="1" Text="@terdon ok undeleted and answered" CreationDate="2017-11-09T20:01:53.977" UserId="16792" />
  <row Id="8135" PostId="4653" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller Do you think it would be useful to start a new Meta question to *explicitly* ask for the mods to create the synonym?  I can see how they might quickly look at this question, see that it's been answered satisfactorily and move on (being busy people).  The other option I can think of is to edit the title of this question to make it clearer that a moderator action is desired – presuming Bahamut would be OK with this." CreationDate="2017-11-09T22:16:01.683" UserId="22812" />
  <row Id="8136" PostId="4663" Score="0" Text="@Philip great, thanks!" CreationDate="2017-11-09T23:27:56.880" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="8137" PostId="4653" Score="0" Text="I don’t know the right answer here; if I see terdon in chat, I’ll get his opinion." CreationDate="2017-11-09T23:33:42.763" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8138" PostId="4664" Score="0" Text="See also: https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/a/4490/117549 further pointing back to https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/3160/editing-before-vote-to-close" CreationDate="2017-11-10T17:02:18.440" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8140" PostId="4654" Score="0" Text="@AnthonyGeoghegan hang on, shouldn't it be the other way around? If the current name is `polkit`, then that's the one we should use." CreationDate="2017-11-10T17:51:44.310" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="8141" PostId="4653" Score="3" Text="The `policykit` tag is now a synonym of the `polkit` tag so if anyone tries to use `policykit`, their question will be tagged with `polkit`." CreationDate="2017-11-10T17:57:01.597" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="8142" PostId="4664" Score="4" Text="My hope is that it's ignorance of the &quot;edit&quot; button's hidden &quot;leave open&quot; meaning." CreationDate="2017-11-10T18:17:45.300" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8144" PostId="4654" Score="0" Text="@terdon Other than reading https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/privileges/suggest-tag-synonyms, I'm not particularly au fait with the process of creating tag synonyms and Jeff’s suggestion made sense to me. Thanks for resolving this issue so that all questions are properly tagged." CreationDate="2017-11-10T21:42:40.733" UserId="22812" />
  <row Id="8145" PostId="4657" Score="4" Text="Yes, things are not as intended.  At https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/403220/ for example, the questioner is accused by five people of being &quot;another noob kali user&quot;, even though the question is actually a fairly reasonable one, relating to Kali's switch to a rolling release system and actually called out in Kali's repository doco.  At another question a now deleted similar comment about &quot;noob kali user&quot; gave such offence to the questioner that the xe was quite angry and then, in Kafkaesque fashion, chastised by StackExchange people for not &quot;being nice&quot; to someone who _insulted xem_." CreationDate="2017-11-12T14:56:30.057" UserId="5132" />
  <row Id="8146" PostId="4657" Score="0" Text="Collaboratively built is Stack Exchange sugar for a frequent reviewer like me because there is so much built-in potential for improvement." CreationDate="2017-11-12T16:43:42.303" UserId="38285" />
  <row Id="8150" PostId="4640" Score="0" Text="Yes, I have done that. At start both systems created trouble. Now both are stable. Still Linux is very vast. and writing script for Linux box is not easy. Sometimes, that is also felt required. This learning curve feels endless. This is the reason people jumps and thinks that Ok, I need to know some basics only and now I am going to learn command for penetration testing." CreationDate="2017-11-14T06:13:49.230" UserId="31506" />
  <row Id="8151" PostId="4663" Score="0" Text="And yet it’s gone again now." CreationDate="2017-11-15T03:33:03.087" UserId="23408" />
  <row Id="8153" PostId="4663" Score="0" Text="@Scott It got closed again, this time as a duplicate of https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/367127/combine-pipe-and-redirect-on-curl-and-jq, which looks to be an accurate duplicate (Philip had posted the same answer on his question before it got closed and he deleted it)" CreationDate="2017-11-15T05:13:50.497" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="8154" PostId="4667" Score="0" Text="Also happens with the Android app, though nobody's going to fix that." CreationDate="2017-11-15T10:49:28.547" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="8155" PostId="4668" Score="0" Text="Why do you think the definitive guide seems to imply percentages are permitted? All it says is that the width and height can be up to 999, and that the mobile site has a max-width of 99%. Why do you need this, anyway?" CreationDate="2017-11-15T10:53:17.003" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="8156" PostId="4668" Score="0" Text="@muru It's not definite, but the preceding paragraph states that, &quot;_The following attributes are allowed on the &lt;img&gt; tag, but note that the mobile theme enforces a maximum width of **90%**..._&quot;. Why do  I want it? I have a high resolution screenshot from my mobile phone and I wanted to constrain the rendered view to 30% while leaving the image intact in case someone needed the detail." CreationDate="2017-11-15T11:13:57.637" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="8157" PostId="4668" Score="0" Text="i.e., there's a `max-width: 90%` in the mobile CSS. (typo in my first comment) I don't see how that translates to % being allowed  in these attributes. It even says hat the `px` isn't allowed, so I'd think they have a pretty strict filter there." CreationDate="2017-11-15T11:16:10.077" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="8158" PostId="4669" Score="0" Text="This is fantastic, thank you. I had no idea. When you write, &quot;_What you should use is imgur's built-in thumbnailing facilities_&quot;, how was I supposed to know even to look for this feature? There's nothing in the obviously available help text, nothing on the &quot;Insert an image by drag'n'drop « here »&quot; overlay. Does this then generate a new question as an enhancement request to provide information about Imgur's thumbnailing features?" CreationDate="2017-11-15T12:21:12.260" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="8159" PostId="4669" Score="0" Text="@roaima adding that to the docs somewhere would be a worthy feature request." CreationDate="2017-11-15T12:24:07.513" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="8160" PostId="4669" Score="0" Text="Thank you. https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4670/100397" CreationDate="2017-11-15T12:30:58.353" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="8163" PostId="4674" Score="0" Text="maybe also https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/ ?" CreationDate="2017-11-16T14:24:40.520" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8164" PostId="4674" Score="3" Text="@Jeff that covers all operating systems for the Pi, including [Windows](https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/windows) ;-)." CreationDate="2017-11-16T14:27:19.037" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="8165" PostId="4673" Score="4" Text="Note that unless you are a professional system administrator, your Debian questions will not be on topic on [sf]. This is by far the best place for them anyway." CreationDate="2017-11-16T15:01:05.467" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="8166" PostId="4672" Score="0" Text="Possible duplicate of [Could we please clean up the kde/plasma tags?](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4446/could-we-please-clean-up-the-kde-plasma-tags)" CreationDate="2017-11-16T23:41:22.883" UserId="18887" />
  <row Id="8167" PostId="4672" Score="0" Text="Very good idea with the `kde-plasma-5` part though. Maybe you can put that in the original question?" CreationDate="2017-11-16T23:42:17.603" UserId="18887" />
  <row Id="8168" PostId="4672" Score="2" Text="I didn't want to add to that question since it's more about cleaning *all* the kde/plasma related tags. I don't have a solution for that, but I do for the sub-problem regarding kdeX &amp; plasmaX. That issue could take ages to resolve, but this particular merge request is a no-brainer and can happen now, separate to how they decide to handle the other tags later" CreationDate="2017-11-16T23:45:32.777" UserId="258056" />
  <row Id="8169" PostId="4672" Score="0" Text="Yes, fair call. Apologies, I've retracted my close vote (+1)." CreationDate="2017-11-16T23:46:53.690" UserId="18887" />
  <row Id="8170" PostId="4672" Score="0" Text="No worries, this is a `discussion` meta, so I was always open to those kind of flags appearing" CreationDate="2017-11-16T23:47:51.487" UserId="258056" />
  <row Id="8171" PostId="4446" Score="0" Text="A subset of this question has been [asked](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4672/18887), to merge the kde5 and plasma5 parts." CreationDate="2017-11-16T23:48:43.553" UserId="18887" />
  <row Id="8172" PostId="4665" Score="0" Text="Does that mean that four close votes followed by an edit from review will result in a *single* later &quot;close&quot; nomination instantly closing the question, with no forecasting of that fact to the nominator?" CreationDate="2017-11-18T03:04:26.267" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="8173" PostId="4665" Score="1" Text="@Wildcard, You should be aware that you are giving the final close vote because the close link should have a `(4)` next to it." CreationDate="2017-11-18T16:20:48.900" UserId="208146" />
  <row Id="8175" PostId="4665" Score="1" Text="When a post is received from the Close Votes queue the votes for closing will still exist but may eventually expire. Another vote to close the question would put it back in the Close Votes queue." CreationDate="2017-11-19T16:25:33.180" UserId="68601" />
  <row Id="8176" PostId="4659" Score="0" Text="@roaima nope, still open." CreationDate="2017-11-19T17:55:26.767" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="8177" PostId="4678" Score="0" Text="The 'debug' word does not appear in the question, but I thought it'd be obvious that I couldn't get further. I am not exactly sure if my system is flaky honestly, it's just that some [bugs](https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/Bumblebee/issues/777) exist with some software I have, and I put them there because they could be relevant. I also expected people to ask for details on things because I couldn't possibly know what to provide already. I think I get your point, though." CreationDate="2017-11-19T18:41:51.080" UserId="204568" />
  <row Id="8178" PostId="4678" Score="1" Text="Nor any logs, journal entries or anything that could be construcitvely used for diagnosis..." CreationDate="2017-11-19T19:39:22.193" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="8179" PostId="4676" Score="4" Text="If it is a duplicate, flag as a duplicate. Don't spam the same answer to multiple questions. We prefer to close as duplicates instead." CreationDate="2017-11-19T23:54:30.810" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="8180" PostId="4680" Score="0" Text="Thanks .. I would also consider either merging the two original questions or deleting the one with least info.  The questions are for the same problem and is of no real help to anybody except the OP." CreationDate="2017-11-20T18:02:22.627" UserId="139265" />
  <row Id="8181" PostId="4676" Score="0" Text="In future I will" CreationDate="2017-11-20T18:03:05.747" UserId="139265" />
  <row Id="8182" PostId="4681" Score="1" Text="Closing a question should let voters to actually add some piece of a clue, I think that would help a lot of people who get closed questions, the messages themselves of held questions are too broad. Either way, I edited the question. Thanks a lot." CreationDate="2017-11-21T19:29:59.623" UserId="204568" />
  <row Id="8183" PostId="4673" Score="0" Text="@terdon - is that really the case? Surely questions from an amateur server admin running a hobby server are legitimate to ask there!?" CreationDate="2017-11-22T03:18:50.097" UserId="60506" />
  <row Id="8184" PostId="4673" Score="1" Text="I believe Super User would also apply." CreationDate="2017-11-22T10:46:05.843" UserId="255491" />
  <row Id="8185" PostId="4686" Score="2" Text="I don't understand what point you're trying to make or what this has to do with the question." CreationDate="2017-11-22T17:00:26.463" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="8186" PostId="4686" Score="4" Text="The low quality questions rarely have any useful information nor show that the poster even tried to troubleshoot their issues themselves before posting (a camera photo of stuck boot process or compiler garbage). Regardless if they are skilled in something else or not doesn't matter, if they can not write up a question that anyone can provide an useful enough answer to. Overall, I'd say some troubleshooting skills and background knowledge are required if one tries to do something not officially supported (or something nobody has documented a working solution/guide elsewhere)." CreationDate="2017-11-22T17:44:57.130" UserId="239817" />
  <row Id="8187" PostId="4686" Score="0" Text="@sebasth, Re &quot;*if they are skilled ... doesn't matter*&quot;: Elvis Presley and Louis Armstrong were great musicians and made some good records, but couldn't read music.  Requirements and prejudice can stifle culture." CreationDate="2017-11-22T18:07:09.093" UserId="165517" />
  <row Id="8188" PostId="4686" Score="1" Text="It is irrelevant if the question is completely impossible to decipher (and people here are not psychics either as far as I know) or if the poster does not show *any* effort of solving their issue before posting. Asking for learning material is [off-topic](https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/on-topic) here. The Q&amp;A format is not good for step-by-step tech support for trying to pinpoint out what the poster's actual issue is and there are plenty of other sites which people could try to get help instead." CreationDate="2017-11-23T23:07:00.953" UserId="239817" />
  <row Id="8189" PostId="4686" Score="0" Text="(cont.) Sometimes people try to provide help in comments. If an already closed question is edited to contain clear enough problem it can be re-opened (and if it is recent question it should appear in re-open review queue automatically)." CreationDate="2017-11-23T23:09:50.597" UserId="239817" />
  <row Id="8190" PostId="4686" Score="1" Text="@sebasth, Agreed that indecipherable questions are useless, and that &#xA; step-by-step tutoring is a bad fit here.  But video config Qs needn't be indecipherable nor must they invariably require step-by-step tutoring.  It's not the topic that makes such questions bad." CreationDate="2017-11-24T02:49:52.597" UserId="165517" />
  <row Id="8191" PostId="4673" Score="1" Text="@JeremyDavis They have no way to check, who are you. The question has to be looking like coming from a professional. It is the theory. In practice, their this rule didn't result an elevated quality of the posts, but it resulted a lot of disappointed users." CreationDate="2017-11-24T06:15:38.867" UserId="52236" />
  <row Id="8192" PostId="4673" Score="0" Text="@peterh - Thanks. FWIW, I'm sure that here is probably a better place for Debian server questions anyway, I was just being a bit of a wanker making a point... :)" CreationDate="2017-11-24T06:39:33.590" UserId="60506" />
  <row Id="8193" PostId="4673" Score="1" Text="@JeremyDavis it is true in that that is their scope. They only deal with professional systems; setting up your laptop is off topic there. They also expect a certain minimum level of knowledge. It is not a site for people who are learning *nix." CreationDate="2017-11-24T08:53:24.670" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="8194" PostId="4682" Score="0" Text="The answer you accepted is a one-line summary of the accepted answer in the duplicate, so why don't you think it's a duplicate?" CreationDate="2017-11-24T22:24:29.700" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="8195" PostId="4692" Score="0" Text="Your first paragraph _is_ addressed in the next sentence from the quotation you took... but the second paragraph is a good point. I don't completely agree with it, as _part_ of the reason is to give credit for the GNU project, but admittedly those who are arguing the most for it _do_ have a political agenda. Despite being harsh, this answer is true. We'll just have to stick with &quot;Linux&quot; as a shorthand for &quot;GNU/X11/Apache/Linux/TeX/Perl/Python/FreeCiv/Red Hat/...&quot;" CreationDate="2017-11-25T10:07:23.377" UserId="129690" />
  <row Id="8196" PostId="4684" Score="5" Text="Be aware that even though Ubuntu is Debian based, it doesn't mean that questions regarding Debian will be considered [on-topic at AskUbuntu](https://askubuntu.com/help/on-topic)" CreationDate="2017-11-27T09:07:30.847" UserId="67643" />
  <row Id="8199" PostId="4694" Score="2" Text="Based on very little experience on the topic and very little research on the questions here, and mainly on the small quantity of them, how reasonable would it be to have a single “Linux container” tag and merge the existing Q’s together?" CreationDate="2017-11-28T23:37:09.970" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8200" PostId="4673" Score="0" Text="A Debian SE would be great!" CreationDate="2017-11-29T13:35:11.770" UserId="14143" />
  <row Id="8201" PostId="4694" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller: well the problem with that *might* be that people are confusing one with the other. It's conflating two related but still distinct topics, really." CreationDate="2017-11-30T20:41:47.460" UserId="5462" />
  <row Id="8202" PostId="4697" Score="23" Text="You are the one being arrogant, he clearly sent an appeal to edit your question and it was accepted by other people who had a vote, it is not only him who thought you needed an edit but a few other people who voted yes. There is no need to be offensive and arrogant over an edit approved by other people. Clearly means your answer needed an edit." CreationDate="2017-11-30T20:48:47.743" UserId="237568" />
  <row Id="8203" PostId="4697" Score="12" Text="You agreed to the possibility of collaboratively edited posts when you posted content here.  You aren't posting with &quot;All Rights Reserved.&quot;  You should read the terms of use more carefully if you have a problem with that.  That said, the community *is* good at respecting the intent of the original author.  But that doesn't mean you get to leave your posts unformatted and be unpleasant about it." CreationDate="2017-12-01T07:11:32.657" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="8204" PostId="4697" Score="24" Text="And honestly, if you had rolled back the edit to the unformatted version **and then not sent an uptight, angry email about it,** it very likely would have been left how you wrote it.  I'm probably not going to make a friend in you by saying this, but you have more than a little bit of responsibility for creating the situation.  Complaining about how mean everyone else is being isn't going to help, either.  Take full responsibility or just drop it." CreationDate="2017-12-01T07:13:10.157" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="8205" PostId="4697" Score="8" Text="It seems your problem is not like &quot;my formatting is better than yours&quot; but rather &quot;my answer is my castle&quot;. The solution is simple: format your posts right by yourself, so there's nothing to improve in the first place. I do that. I have written hundreds of answers (most of them on Super User, but still) and after the initial stage of me learning the syntax, I recall not a single &quot;third party&quot; edit just to improve my formatting." CreationDate="2017-12-01T07:32:09.070" UserId="108618" />
  <row Id="8206" PostId="4697" Score="1" Text="Your points are not without value but this is the wrong place to make them. Don't take information exchange so personally. This is not Facebook." CreationDate="2017-12-01T09:15:37.657" UserId="136914" />
  <row Id="8207" PostId="4695" Score="34" Text="For the record, that was a fine edit. You improved the formatting and made the post easier to read. Thanks and keep it up!" CreationDate="2017-12-01T09:59:39.883" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="8208" PostId="4697" Score="25" Text="Note that only moderators can lock a post and that's what happened here. A mod locked your post because you insisted on defacing it by rolling back helpful edits. Phillip had nothing to do with that. If you feel so strongly against others editing (improving) your posts, I am afraid you will not be happy here." CreationDate="2017-12-01T10:01:24.363" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="8209" PostId="4697" Score="7" Text="Honestly, I don't see a point in all the fuzz over being edited, I for myself are pretty new to the site, and while I'm very much trying to format and spell-check my posts properly, I'm not getting mad when someone changes a sentence around because of my awkward wording or correct a typo etc. (I'm simply not native English speaker)." CreationDate="2017-12-01T17:22:05.957" UserId="166226" />
  <row Id="8210" PostId="534" Score="6" Text="When you write &quot;Google&quot; do you then really mean &quot;search engine of your choice - including those that respect your privacy and do not track you&quot;? Because if you really mean Google, then I can explain why I do not use Google: I changed to startpage.com as my primary search engine due to Google's privacy invasive tracking." CreationDate="2017-12-01T17:41:29.707" UserId="2972" />
  <row Id="8211" PostId="4694" Score="0" Text="As I understand it, LXC is the underlying technology and concepts, whereas LXD is an implementation of the toolset (Redhat docs point out the coincidentally named utility `lxc` that belongs in the LXD packages)." CreationDate="2017-12-02T02:35:12.530" UserId="89283" />
  <row Id="8212" PostId="4697" Score="3" Text="I really love if somebody spend time to improve my posts. In any field of life, getting an edit is the best way of learning. Be thankful for the time they spent to edit your post. It's a place of learning and Unix, English, formatting all can be learnt more. And I believe most of the users irrespective of new or old don't mind an edit. So, requesting you to accept edits." CreationDate="2017-12-02T19:03:18.250" UserId="260657" />
  <row Id="8213" PostId="4694" Score="0" Text="@Qix and exactly *that's* the issue. What does [tag:lxc] refer to? The client command line tool of LXD or the technology? Tags are always lowercase, so this is very ambiguous. Does it refer to the technology or the command line tool? To LCX 1.x or 2.x?" CreationDate="2017-12-02T22:42:07.837" UserId="5462" />
  <row Id="8215" PostId="4694" Score="0" Text="@0xC0000022L `lxc` refers to the technology. The command line utility is not referred to as often in dialog or literature. `lcx` could definitely have some extra tags for `lxc-1.x` and `lxc-2.x` if necessary. But I see no reason these two are being conflated. LXD's `lxc` still deals with `lcx` so there's a good chance the `lxc` tag is relevant, too. I don't think a sweeping action is going to help a lot here IMO." CreationDate="2017-12-03T02:12:14.213" UserId="89283" />
  <row Id="8217" PostId="4702" Score="1" Text="Is there a question here?" CreationDate="2017-12-03T03:10:49.950" UserId="208146" />
  <row Id="8218" PostId="534" Score="3" Text="Using DuckDuckGo or another search engine is also fine by the way. :-)" CreationDate="2017-12-03T09:10:55.353" UserId="59808" />
  <row Id="8219" PostId="4695" Score="19" Text="&quot;I thought it was funny so I made the edit again&quot; might be misinterpreted. Sometimes it's better to explain your edit before reapplying it." CreationDate="2017-12-03T09:13:24.167" UserId="59808" />
  <row Id="8220" PostId="4153" Score="0" Text="On the last paragraph: tried before, didn't work well. https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/354217/sunsetting-documentation" CreationDate="2017-12-03T09:13:45.543" UserId="59808" />
  <row Id="8221" PostId="4703" Score="0" Text="Thanks for your answer.  The argument `skip=0` for `dd` just do nothing, it is the default, so i simplified.  The initial value of `n` is now clear, it was set to 0 and incremented before first use.  I merged the two `((n++))` to only one, and moved it at the bottom of the loop, this is the canonical form.  Values of variables are strictly preserved for all commands." CreationDate="2017-12-03T11:36:11.313" UserId="259669" />
  <row Id="8222" PostId="4703" Score="6" Text="@user285259 even if your changes are correct, they should not have been made on a question. Edits improving code are fine on answers, but not on questions since you might be removing the very error that was causing the problem in the first place. Instead, next time post an answer correcting the code and pointing out whatever errors you might have found." CreationDate="2017-12-03T13:34:24.767" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="8223" PostId="4694" Score="1" Text="@Qix: agreed, it's not yet, because it's comparably new (especially if you use packaged software rather than building your own). My point is that quite literally and unless you're interested in the underlying technology - which would be better suited for StackOverflow than here - `lxc` now and the future is more likely to refer to the command line tool. Yet, because of `lxc-1.x` questions referring to the incompatible older tools will be tagged the same. Aren't tags there to help make easy distinctions rather than add to the confusion? Sweeping would be just one possible path ..." CreationDate="2017-12-03T16:28:51.457" UserId="5462" />
  <row Id="8224" PostId="4704" Score="7" Text="and I would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for you meddling kids" CreationDate="2017-12-04T00:30:41.010" UserId="16792" />
  <row Id="8225" PostId="4697" Score="8" Text="Your answer was readable. Philip made it MORE readable, and that is the correct thing to do." CreationDate="2017-12-04T12:15:02.427" UserId="236940" />
  <row Id="8227" PostId="4704" Score="30" Text="Maybe you should also include that the new user operated in psycho-stalker mode by going to the effort of digging up the user's email from another site and contacting them directly. Clearly not an action that will predispose anyone to treat them like a snowflake and spend time explaining anything." CreationDate="2017-12-04T15:55:28.283" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="8231" PostId="4695" Score="22" Text="I have to second the humor value. A ranting email demanding that you not meddle with their sacred words, ending with an _apology_ regarding the writer's poor English skills — that's just irony-blindness at a truly spectacular level." CreationDate="2017-12-06T11:08:02.913" UserId="42315" />
  <row Id="8232" PostId="4706" Score="1" Text="What syntax though? Mods can associate language styles to tags, but which one would we use for `text-processing`? How can we know what tool an answer would use? And what highlighting would make sense for `sed`? C can work for `awk` but what would make sense for `grep`?" CreationDate="2017-12-06T13:37:54.000" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="8233" PostId="4706" Score="0" Text="@terdon I've added a snapshot.. it is more of command line syntax than language syntax.." CreationDate="2017-12-06T14:20:59.930" UserId="109046" />
  <row Id="8234" PostId="4706" Score="1" Text="Try it with `grep '#' file` though. Or `grep foo | perl -pe ...` etc which breaks both of them. It's kinda tricky to get right." CreationDate="2017-12-06T14:23:58.730" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="8235" PostId="4706" Score="0" Text="agree, it will not work good for all cases.. but that case already happens when `bash` is also tagged for those questions that have answers given with `sed/grep/awk/etc`.. if adding code block had usage like triple backtick plus language name (like used in github) it would be easier to simply add/change language.. anyway just thought this would help" CreationDate="2017-12-06T14:34:42.517" UserId="109046" />
  <row Id="8236" PostId="4694" Score="0" Text="@Qix,  did you mean to type lcx in your comments above.  Is &quot;lcx&quot; supposed to mean LinuxContainerXYZ?" CreationDate="2017-12-06T15:34:54.320" UserId="14330" />
  <row Id="8242" PostId="4707" Score="0" Text="here's a Q&amp;A regarding the noise you speak of  https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/409026/trim-tailing-and-add-it-leading-for-numbers-in-shell ... so perhaps we need a way to disable syntax highlighting for these.." CreationDate="2017-12-07T04:12:59.543" UserId="109046" />
  <row Id="8243" PostId="4697" Score="5" Text="Wow. All this over an edit to improve the quality of your post? Do you think that the editor gained 'co-authorship' on the answer or something by making the edit? I am guessing the 'edited' text makes you think that people will think your answer was factually incorrect prior to the edit? But that's the wrong way to think about it. On a separate note, I do not know who you are, but I hope I never have to work with you in person." CreationDate="2017-12-07T05:33:09.723" UserId="79027" />
  <row Id="8244" PostId="4694" Score="1" Text="It was a typo @rjt. No need to be snarky." CreationDate="2017-12-07T08:23:58.707" UserId="89283" />
  <row Id="8245" PostId="4704" Score="5" Text="I upvoted this post because I thought bringing up the issue of the _response_ needing to have been more considered (a better commit message, not throwing in the bit about being funny in this meta post, etc.) was on point, but I am not entirely comfortable with the last sentence. Did you mean the poster needs to unlearn that sentences end with full stops — or that they needed to learn that that they do? Judging from the emoji _not_ being used in leu of proper punctuation I voted +1 giving you the benefit of the doubt, but that paragraph could use some clarification." CreationDate="2017-12-07T19:47:33.167" UserId="1925" />
  <row Id="8246" PostId="4711" Score="0" Text="I don't  have anything against that particular question. There were probably 100 others I could have picked on :-)" CreationDate="2017-12-08T03:23:38.100" UserId="257802" />
  <row Id="8247" PostId="4711" Score="0" Text="Which is why I extended my answer to the more general case of: is this question salvageable?" CreationDate="2017-12-08T03:24:41.213" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8248" PostId="4694" Score="1" Text="@Qix, i am new to this.  Since it was a typo repeated by both of you,  i thought maybe it was referring to something  else.  Thanks for contributing.   No intentions of being snarky and generally try to avoid that attitude. Well until this evening on Twitter  when asked what improvements i would like to see in Google. Chrome, but i digress." CreationDate="2017-12-08T04:53:20.437" UserId="14330" />
  <row Id="8249" PostId="4695" Score="4" Text="@Nemo 100%. First posters may well be young (a little less mature?) and may have cultural values different to your own (especially in these days of ubiquitous globailisation). Playing well with others - collaboration and accepting criticism neutrally - is a learned thing. Though the reaction was well off the scale." CreationDate="2017-12-08T06:41:28.170" UserId="217629" />
  <row Id="8250" PostId="4710" Score="2" Text="Before I forget: https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/how-to-ask" CreationDate="2017-12-08T11:55:05.703" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8251" PostId="4712" Score="0" Text="Well, but that example you give looks like the title for an academic  research paper, which tends to be on the side of trying to *explain* something. So, I would say that example is probably closer to an *answer* than a *question*." CreationDate="2017-12-08T14:34:15.287" UserId="257802" />
  <row Id="8252" PostId="4711" Score="0" Text="I wasn't suggesting that people posting questions as statements would make them any harder to answer. It was more about whether posting actual questions should be encouraged, just from a 'standards' or 'best-practice' point-of-view." CreationDate="2017-12-08T14:37:39.937" UserId="257802" />
  <row Id="8253" PostId="4714" Score="0" Text="Fair enough. Thanks for the historical info." CreationDate="2017-12-08T22:08:27.240" UserId="257802" />
  <row Id="8254" PostId="4712" Score="0" Text="@Time4Tea The first example was a tongue-in-cheek example of **style** differences, of expressing something either as a question or a statement. I hope the edit makes the point clearer" CreationDate="2017-12-09T04:26:14.883" UserId="217629" />
  <row Id="8255" PostId="4714" Score="0" Text="Still agree 100%.....but in this specific case the **question** was &quot;Why do people do it? What is the motivation behind doing this&quot; , not &quot;Is it right? Or do we understand it?&quot;.. Admittedly I am being a bit of a pedant (a side effect of my profession) here but rule #1 for me is &quot;read the question as written&quot;. Feel free to stand on my head. Am used to it, Sheldon and I are chums. :D" CreationDate="2017-12-09T04:52:01.250" UserId="217629" />
  <row Id="8257" PostId="4716" Score="2" Text="Agreed; using appropriate tags and keyword descriptions should bring the appropriate people (on their terms)." CreationDate="2017-12-09T21:20:20.660" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8258" PostId="4715" Score="1" Text="Just a minor point: comments can’t be downvoted, only upvoted, flagged for attention (such as deletion), or outright deleted themselves." CreationDate="2017-12-09T21:23:47.823" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8259" PostId="4697" Score="1" Text="@terdon - ***&quot;...you insisted on defacing it...&quot;*** I don't think it helps the situation (any situation) by speaking so disingenuously. It is the users right to insist the post reads as they want, and it is also the right of the editor to (suggest an) edit the post; and, the right (and responsibility) of the moderator to step in and settle the dispute. It is not fair or &quot;genuine&quot; to characterize any of those actions as having the intent to &quot;deface&quot; the answer." CreationDate="2017-12-09T22:23:17.007" UserId="40128" />
  <row Id="8260" PostId="4697" Score="6" Text="@KevinFegan Actually, I chose my words very carefully. It is not the right of the user to insist the post reads as they want. That's precisely why I used the word *defacing*. When you post here, you are releasing what you write under the CC BY-SA creative commons license. By the terms of the license and, more importantly, by the norms of behavior established by the community, this means you accept that others may edit and improve your post. Insisting on your version and rolling back improvements is defacing content of the site." CreationDate="2017-12-09T22:35:08.127" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="8261" PostId="4715" Score="1" Text="Yes you are right. Thank you for your correction." CreationDate="2017-12-09T23:37:55.837" UserId="259023" />
  <row Id="8262" PostId="4716" Score="2" Text="Thank you for pointing out that questions are linked already by tags and that they should me. Never occured to me before. I have missed a very important part of the roles of tags. The answer provides the insight I need exactly. Good job." CreationDate="2017-12-09T23:52:56.850" UserId="259023" />
  <row Id="8263" PostId="4695" Score="8" Text="Just a heads-up: Your email censoring doesn't really censor the email. Use an opaque pencil instead of a transparent brush, or—better—use the rectangle selection tool and fill the area completely." CreationDate="2017-12-10T08:15:34.423" UserId="145473" />
  <row Id="8269" PostId="4695" Score="3" Text="@FeRd *that's just irony-blindness at a truly spectacular level.* hmm, I think it means that the writer is able to maintain some level of composure and politeness despite being (perhaps unreasonably) angry. I think this is an important step to being able to tweak your own behaviour!" CreationDate="2017-12-11T17:45:54.823" UserId="36185" />
  <row Id="8270" PostId="4696" Score="1" Text="Ugh. This feels all a bit [wikilawery](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikilawyering). Rules have their place, but should be used appropriately with a little context. Invoking rules is kind of like throwing someone out of your house at a dinner party.... you can do it, but don't expect it to be without consequences." CreationDate="2017-12-11T17:54:45.953" UserId="36185" />
  <row Id="8271" PostId="4659" Score="0" Text="I'm not sure why Kali is any &quot;harder&quot; or &quot;not newb friendly&quot; then the underlying Debian. I find that Debian advice applies to Kali 99% of the time." CreationDate="2017-12-11T19:41:40.650" UserId="237296" />
  <row Id="8272" PostId="4697" Score="3" Text="@KevinFegan those aren't rights. Those are privileges granted by Stack Overflow the company. Users have the right to have their posts attributed to them because they licenced it to us thus, or posts disassociated from them, or their accounts deleted, because those *rights* have been established as existing by governments and courts. Don't conflate rights and privileges." CreationDate="2017-12-12T00:16:31.867" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="8273" PostId="4696" Score="3" Text="@AttRigh I agree that rules should be used appropriately with a little context, but do you really think there's some context to this situation that would call for overriding the rule in question? I'm not seeing it. (The rule in question being that people can edit each others' posts to improve them without changing their meaning.)" CreationDate="2017-12-12T09:46:34.593" UserId="621" />
  <row Id="8274" PostId="4696" Score="0" Text="@DavidZ I do think having rules and knowing how they apply is useful. In this situation no I don't. I can imagine lots of edge cases: people rejecting edits that actually change meaning, fighting over terminology, preferred layouts, revert wars. I've head edits that change meaning on the English stack exchange. I guess there's also a question about how one invokes rules: there's &quot;I win, here are the rules&quot; and then &quot;there's hmm, here is what the rules say, what do you think about that then?&quot;." CreationDate="2017-12-12T14:11:47.903" UserId="36185" />
  <row Id="8275" PostId="4312" Score="0" Text="I think that some questions regarding the AWS CLI would fit well here.  For example, if you were calling AWS CLI commands from a Bash or KSH script or needed help with a one liner." CreationDate="2017-12-13T20:10:26.187" UserId="262984" />
  <row Id="8276" PostId="4718" Score="2" Text="It's absolutely not ok. Take a closer look at that message you posted. There is no option to share a link to the question via Stack Exchange. Email, Google+, Twitter and Facebook are means of social interaction. Stack Exchange isn't. Stack Exchange *chat* is a different thing; there it may be ok to ask someone to answer a question, but it's pushy, you should only do it with fellow chat regulars. I consider begging for answers to your own question in chat tacky and generally ignore such requests." CreationDate="2017-12-14T22:09:01.037" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="8277" PostId="4720" Score="8" Text="Note that I asked Jon to add us to the testing group. If you hate this, your ire should be directed at me, not him!" CreationDate="2017-12-15T00:53:28.760" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="8278" PostId="4718" Score="3" Text="I think its OK, also.  I've been on the receiving end of these requests and it didn't fell 'spammy':  It sometimes alerted me to questions I wouldn't have seen.  And, if I wasn't interested, I was free to pass it by." CreationDate="2017-12-15T06:21:46.137" UserId="53604" />
  <row Id="8281" PostId="4722" Score="0" Text="https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4640/what-should-we-do-about-kali-linux-questions?noredirect=1&amp;lq=1#comment8084_4640" CreationDate="2017-12-15T08:33:33.910" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="8283" PostId="4722" Score="0" Text="@FaheemMitha Knowing them better would help a lot to effectively deal with them. For example, the post linked by Muru suggests that it is a simple search engine effect. I don't think that it would be so, because the posters have very similar characteristic (for example: bad English, nickname sounding like Indian, newbie questions, trying to use Kali as a beginner desktop variant and so on). A search engine effect would result much more diverse OPs." CreationDate="2017-12-15T09:00:51.743" UserId="52236" />
  <row Id="8284" PostId="4722" Score="3" Text="@peterh I'm a little sceptical about their being a strong Indian connection. Yes, Kali sounds Indian, and is the name of an Indian goddess. But I am not convinced that leads to large numbers of Indians using it. And let's suppose they do. So what? There is already a recent question (created by Gilles) which we can point people to when they come here asking clueless Kali questions. Though I realise it isn't intended as a catch-all." CreationDate="2017-12-15T09:29:00.740" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="8285" PostId="4723" Score="0" Text="I don't know enough about either to judge. Do they have anything to do wit *nix? Embedded *nix systems are on topic, is that what these are? Server Fault is for professional sysadmins, if that's not what you are, don't go there. Would [iot.se] be an option?" CreationDate="2017-12-15T11:33:59.277" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="8286" PostId="4721" Score="4" Text="Really? I found it had the opposite effect on me. Since our queues are rarely long (thanks to the efforts of people like yourself), the new UI made me ignore them because it never looked like there was anything to do. Now I immediately notice when there are pending items in the queue." CreationDate="2017-12-15T11:35:19.937" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="8287" PostId="4723" Score="0" Text="Hey @terdon, Coreboot is an open source BIOS, for which you can pair with a payload such as SeaBIOS, Linux, GRUB, or some other options. You load this onto your BIOS chip with a programmer and stick it onto your motherboard. I believe it uses some linux code to do some basic hardware initialisation. (that means you can install linux on your bios chip, and boot straight to it without having any disc at all!)" CreationDate="2017-12-15T11:39:39.080" UserId="16287" />
  <row Id="8288" PostId="4723" Score="1" Text="In that case I would say it's not on topic since it's at a lower level than the OS. I won't post an answer yet, in case someone with a better understanding wants to. Your best bet will probably be [su] though." CreationDate="2017-12-15T11:44:16.143" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="8289" PostId="4723" Score="0" Text="Ah yes super user! Thanks terdon." CreationDate="2017-12-15T11:50:09.080" UserId="16287" />
  <row Id="8290" PostId="4721" Score="5" Text="As a regular reviewer, I'm with Jason: don't cry wolf. A single &quot;first posts&quot; review queue item is not worth a red alert.  I've only seen one reviewing emergency in my few years here -- the result of a developer &quot;oops&quot;, not a lack of reviewing." CreationDate="2017-12-15T15:58:48.913" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8291" PostId="4720" Score="1" Text="Does this have some feature that hides the red dot from the top bar icon if you touch it (open the menu) or something like that? I saw it a while ago, and then I didn't see it any more." CreationDate="2017-12-15T16:08:11.610" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="8292" PostId="4722" Score="0" Text="@FaheemMitha Ok, but the question is, what is the reason then?" CreationDate="2017-12-15T17:06:53.483" UserId="52236" />
  <row Id="8293" PostId="4724" Score="0" Text="My thought exactly: if users have just been taught to take the red dot as a sort of an alarm indicator, then having it light up from the first item in the queue is somewhat odd. And people will learn to ignore it since it's always on anyway. The traffic lights would be much better, and I would have suggested that myself. Though I wouldn't mind a nonintrusive indicator for the &quot;more than zero items in the queue&quot; case. A gray dot on the gray icon, perhaps?" CreationDate="2017-12-15T17:14:53.930" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="8294" PostId="4720" Score="2" Text="@ilkkachu: Correct. If you click on the icon, that clears the dot for an hour. That way you aren't warned immediately after completing reviews. For more information, see [How does the review-needed indicator work exactly?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/302226/how-does-the-review-needed-indicator-work-exactly)" CreationDate="2017-12-15T17:27:49.133" UserId="21281" />
  <row Id="8295" PostId="4724" Score="0" Text="I think this is not so far removed from the [current default system](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/302226/how-does-the-review-needed-indicator-work-exactly). The main difference is that you suggest making the top bar indicator match the highest state of alarm." CreationDate="2017-12-15T17:41:29.743" UserId="21281" />
  <row Id="8296" PostId="4721" Score="0" Text="In the default system, [thresholds are dynamic](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/302226/how-does-the-review-needed-indicator-work-exactly). I've been adjusting them based on a few rules every week or so. Thanks for the feedback. We'll probably let this run for a week or two before reverting to the previous system. We're still trying things out. ;-)" CreationDate="2017-12-15T17:45:18.030" UserId="21281" />
  <row Id="8297" PostId="4721" Score="0" Text="@terdon I think it is precisely because our queues are generally manageable that the change is unwelcome. I have gone from feeling like contributing is manageable within micro slots across the day to, &quot;OMG: do it NOW!&quot; :)" CreationDate="2017-12-15T17:46:36.753" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="8298" PostId="4722" Score="0" Text="@peterh What's the reason for what?" CreationDate="2017-12-15T17:50:40.600" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="8299" PostId="4724" Score="0" Text="@JonEricson Not quite sure what you're saying – does a change need to be all-embracing to be a good one?" CreationDate="2017-12-15T17:51:19.620" UserId="246819" />
  <row Id="8300" PostId="4722" Score="0" Text="@FaheemMitha The cause of the Kali problem. The essence of the question." CreationDate="2017-12-15T17:52:01.477" UserId="52236" />
  <row Id="8301" PostId="4724" Score="0" Text="I think Jon's just pointing out that this is almost what is already there. Since this post is about the current &quot;experiment&quot;, it might not be the best place to discuss changes to the existing system. Also, note that these colors are very hard for color blind people." CreationDate="2017-12-15T17:56:54.240" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="8302" PostId="4722" Score="1" Text="@peterh If by problem you mean the large number of clueless people who are attempting to use Kali, it's been discussed in various places already, and I have no more idea than anyone else. And I doubt there is a solution to this &quot;problem&quot;, either. Short of shutting down Kali." CreationDate="2017-12-15T17:59:59.497" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="8303" PostId="4724" Score="0" Text="Sorry about that. I was mostly trying to make sure I understood your proposal. We're definitely in the tweaking stage. ;-)" CreationDate="2017-12-15T18:00:26.677" UserId="21281" />
  <row Id="8305" PostId="4718" Score="0" Text="I also think it's ok, as long as you leave it at that. Obviously pestering someone to look at your question crosses a line. I don't think the &quot;Know someone who can answer&quot; thing is relevant, though." CreationDate="2017-12-15T19:09:58.283" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="8306" PostId="4724" Score="7" Text="I like this recommendation, but **not** with green circles.  Leaving out the green circles is much more visually unambiguous, and nicer to colorblind people." CreationDate="2017-12-15T22:13:46.267" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="8307" PostId="4721" Score="1" Text="How about a _green_ pip on the icon when there are a few things in the hopper, and a _red_ one when a queue happens to get so long as to be considered troublingly so?" CreationDate="2017-12-15T22:52:18.627" UserId="20246" />
  <row Id="8308" PostId="4721" Score="1" Text="@DopeGhoti I've no objection to that, but I don't consider it an improvement over the grey indicator that we have been living with since the major header rewrite." CreationDate="2017-12-15T23:17:27.797" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="8310" PostId="4725" Score="1" Text="@peterh Yeah, except your entire third and fourth paragraphs..." CreationDate="2017-12-16T00:25:28.093" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="8311" PostId="4725" Score="1" Text="I belong to the ones wanting to *save* the Kali questions, and opposing the whole anti-kali policy. My opinion was always that if a question is bad, then it should be closed because it is bad, but no question should be ever closed because it is about Kali. My [review history](https://unix.stackexchange.com/users/52236/peterh?tab=activity&amp;sort=reviews) is public and it shows that probably very clearly. But this post is not about that, here I only wanted to understand the background." CreationDate="2017-12-16T03:03:18.313" UserId="52236" />
  <row Id="8312" PostId="4725" Score="0" Text="I removed that part of the post, although I don't think there had been any bad in it." CreationDate="2017-12-16T03:12:54.240" UserId="52236" />
  <row Id="8313" PostId="4722" Score="0" Text="@FaheemMitha I removed that part of the post, although I don't think there had been any bad in it." CreationDate="2017-12-16T03:13:33.900" UserId="52236" />
  <row Id="8314" PostId="4725" Score="4" Text="@peterh There is no &quot;anti-kali policy&quot;. There is a bad question policy and there is a high correlation (for reasons outlined multiple times here and on the main site) between bad questions and [tag:kali-linux]. For the reasons I touched on in my answer, that is unlikely to change." CreationDate="2017-12-16T03:32:42.210" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="8315" PostId="4725" Score="0" Text="Many Kali questions were closed, and now deleted, *&quot;because of Kali&quot;*. There were [strong suggestions](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4640/52236) to expel Kali from the site, and the *de facto* behavior of the reviewers was that Kali questions got a quick end." CreationDate="2017-12-16T03:50:23.487" UserId="52236" />
  <row Id="8317" PostId="4725" Score="0" Text="But: yes, the ratio of the bad questions in the case of the Kali are significantly higher, but it doesn't reason any different treatment. It reasons to think about its probable cause." CreationDate="2017-12-16T04:12:07.467" UserId="52236" />
  <row Id="8318" PostId="4725" Score="0" Text="@peterh The probable cause is no mystery. Read my answer. Muppets are attracted to Kali like morons to reality TV..." CreationDate="2017-12-16T04:19:45.027" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="8320" PostId="4725" Score="0" Text="@peterh I have done it." CreationDate="2017-12-16T04:35:08.600" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="8321" PostId="4725" Score="0" Text="Thank you very much!" CreationDate="2017-12-16T04:37:39.190" UserId="52236" />
  <row Id="8322" PostId="4727" Score="0" Text="You are probably aware, but you can generally hit the little link button on the right and have your way with the unadulterated post..." CreationDate="2017-12-17T02:23:32.893" UserId="208146" />
  <row Id="8323" PostId="4727" Score="0" Text="@StephenRauch yes, but that takes you out of the review queues, which seems sort of pointless (from a UX perspective, anyway)." CreationDate="2017-12-17T02:40:17.773" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="8324" PostId="4721" Score="0" Text="Part of a problem with a grey indicator, I suspect, is that it gets lost in the &quot;noise&quot; of the other grey icons and fails to draw any attention.  Green would (to me at least) imply &quot;something to do but not Sev0 Important&quot;, while red implies a request for _immediate_ attention.  An alternative to a &quot;pip&quot; overlay would be simply colorizing the entire icon." CreationDate="2017-12-18T16:46:04.550" UserId="20246" />
  <row Id="8325" PostId="4727" Score="0" Text="As you are probably aware, many browsers have a Ctrl+click feature that opens a link in a new tab (and Shift+click, which opens in a new window, and corresponding options on the right-click menu)." CreationDate="2017-12-20T02:52:07.300" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="8326" PostId="4727" Score="0" Text="@G-man Yep, that's a workaround for a broken UI." CreationDate="2017-12-20T04:11:39.377" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="8327" PostId="4727" Score="2" Text="While we’re on the subject, what’s the deal with the Low Quality Posts review queue not allowing you to *vote* on the post?  When you see a wrong answer, the correct action is “Looks OK” + downvote. And you have to open it in a new tab to do that, too." CreationDate="2017-12-20T04:32:59.510" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="8328" PostId="4727" Score="0" Text="@G-Man I'd forgotten about that: it's in the same category of brokeness, IMO." CreationDate="2017-12-20T04:54:10.840" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="8329" PostId="4727" Score="0" Text="[status-declined](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/228738/307535) from a few years ago" CreationDate="2017-12-20T11:09:31.500" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8330" PostId="4727" Score="1" Text="@JeffSchaller Great: broken, but broken *by design*." CreationDate="2017-12-20T16:41:38.750" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="8331" PostId="4725" Score="0" Text="I also believe there are a common thread between some ethnicities and bad questions. Not all cultures have the same work ethic, or worries about writing perfect things. However, without the OP country not being displayed in posts, this belongs to the realm of speculation." CreationDate="2017-12-20T20:58:30.917" UserId="138261" />
  <row Id="8332" PostId="4720" Score="1" Text="I'm probably stating the obvious, but ... There is a [User Experience Stack Exchange](https://ux.stackexchange.com/) where some experts on UX design hang out. I took some Information System classes in college and they included UX design. There are some not-so-obvious requirements, and the folks on UX.SE can probably help identify them. (I work in AppSec and study Security UX. I would be careful of desensitizing folks with indicators. I don't know if it is happening with the existing and proposed badges and icons)." CreationDate="2017-12-21T16:55:28.020" UserDisplayName="user56041" />
  <row Id="8333" PostId="4729" Score="1" Text="Do you have email notifications activated in your email settings (see [here](https://unix.stackexchange.com/users/email/settings/265935)? You should see a section called &quot;Email Settings&quot; when you go into your account settings. Is that not shown?" CreationDate="2017-12-22T15:16:56.953" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="8334" PostId="4729" Score="0" Text="ah it was set to daily... I changed to it 3 hours... any way to get them faster? Id like to get an email as soon as someone responds/comments on something." CreationDate="2017-12-22T16:01:06.380" UserId="265935" />
  <row Id="8335" PostId="4729" Score="1" Text="Why not keep the tab open so you can get the notification? Emails are designed for asynchronous communication after all." CreationDate="2017-12-22T16:07:12.577" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="8336" PostId="4729" Score="0" Text="The Android/iOS apps can give you quick notifications, and on desktop you can keep the tab open, but there's no indication that there's a notification." CreationDate="2017-12-22T16:22:56.047" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="8337" PostId="4729" Score="0" Text="thank you gentlemen!" CreationDate="2017-12-22T17:43:47.753" UserId="265935" />
  <row Id="8338" PostId="4645" Score="2" Text="Kali is more the Swiss Army Chainsaw of Linux -- it provides a half-dozen ways to cut your leg off if you don't know what you're doing." CreationDate="2017-12-29T02:07:41.700" UserId="62988" />
  <row Id="8339" PostId="4721" Score="0" Text="@terdon  I agree, but then maybe the dot should be green? Meaning &quot;you can enter here, there's space for your reviews!&quot;." CreationDate="2017-12-29T12:03:00.077" UserId="59808" />
  <row Id="8340" PostId="4734" Score="1" Text="To lay it all out on the table, I wasn't trying to patronize with my answer. I simply don't find copying out man pages to be an efficient use of storage, bandwidth, or time (mine *or* the asker's) unless the passage is particularly erudite or difficult to find." CreationDate="2017-12-30T12:56:47.197" UserId="9785" />
  <row Id="8341" PostId="4734" Score="1" Text="Of course, I was hoping to present it as generic as possible and not personal. My perspective is that the man pages aren't usually a good quick reference or pointing someone to them actually solves any problem.&#xA;For example doing `/select-pane` in the man page yields no result. I guess we have a different opinion about distilling the documentation to a particular problem. That's ok, I'd just like to see what is the consensus on that to not get down voted." CreationDate="2017-12-30T13:07:56.747" UserId="29436" />
  <row Id="8342" PostId="4734" Score="1" Text="For example, for questions related to Yocto it was encouraged on the conference to ask quesions on StackExchange as a form of helping people to get a grasp on what's going on, even though the documentation is very good." CreationDate="2017-12-30T13:10:00.703" UserId="29436" />
  <row Id="8343" PostId="4734" Score="1" Text="i actually thought the question was better in the original, *with* the comment about not finding the syntax.  that's reasonable commentary; the `tmux` manpage is huge and it isn't at all clear that config file lines are equivalent to `tmux some-subcommand -option -option2`.  the existing answer succinctly described the syntax; if the rest of your expectations aren't fulfilled, you could always post your own answer or edit the existing answer to add them." CreationDate="2017-12-30T14:26:03.173" UserId="222377" />
  <row Id="8344" PostId="4734" Score="1" Text="@TheMeaningfulEngineer I don't know what manpage your looking at, but I get 9 lines when grepping for select-pane on my Ubuntu 16.04." CreationDate="2017-12-30T15:27:33.880" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="8345" PostId="4734" Score="2" Text="Worse, your problem is that what you're essentially asking for is the manpage. If you had a specific configuration to achieve, that wouldn't be solved just by the manpage, true, but if you're just going to ask for description of options, then that's the manpage." CreationDate="2017-12-30T15:29:07.333" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="8346" PostId="4735" Score="3" Text="Hm... Once stripped from cynicism (which I'd more likely expect on an IRC channel than here), your points are correct. I have misjudged the man page and prematurely concluded that there isn't good documentation because my first google results were undocumented examples. Thanks, point taken :)" CreationDate="2017-12-30T19:57:20.753" UserId="29436" />
  <row Id="8347" PostId="4736" Score="0" Text="I personally go for some combination of {downvote, close as unclear, post comment linking to [XY problem](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/66377/270345)}." CreationDate="2018-01-03T11:39:00.197" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="8348" PostId="4736" Score="1" Text="Leave a comment to the OP saying to open a new question with their actual question, and vote/flag to close the first Q as off-topic -- &quot;seemingly went away on its own&quot;. I would ask the OP to delete their stale question, but I'm not sure if your existing answer would prevent that (or if your answer would need to be up-voted for that to be the case)." CreationDate="2018-01-03T11:59:28.030" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8349" PostId="4736" Score="1" Text="@JeffSchaller can't delete with a question with multiple answers (https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/5222/270345)" CreationDate="2018-01-03T12:26:16.943" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="8350" PostId="4732" Score="0" Text="What about other, non-answer things?  I recently suggested descriptions for two tags (`multimedia` and `special-characters`).  I just found the most accurate dictionary definitions for them I could find and essentially copied them directly." CreationDate="2018-01-07T14:18:22.790" UserId="237982" />
  <row Id="8351" PostId="4732" Score="0" Text="One of the reasons for rejecting tag edits is &quot;copied content&quot;." CreationDate="2018-01-07T18:17:30.970" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="8352" PostId="4732" Score="0" Text="Makes sense.  I wasn't intending to plagiarize, but I figured a dictionary definition was better than no description." CreationDate="2018-01-07T18:37:40.733" UserId="237982" />
  <row Id="8353" PostId="4720" Score="0" Text="@terdon: I disabled the experiment on this site for the moment. Thanks for participating." CreationDate="2018-01-09T00:00:29.723" UserId="21281" />
  <row Id="8354" PostId="4740" Score="0" Text="I volunteer to edit one a day. It’ll be lost in the noise of my other editing :)" CreationDate="2018-01-09T11:33:20.860" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8355" PostId="4740" Score="0" Text="@Jeff Very good. :)  I'll keep my own edits spaced out a bit." CreationDate="2018-01-09T11:42:45.660" UserId="22812" />
  <row Id="8356" PostId="4740" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller no need, I merged the tags." CreationDate="2018-01-09T13:04:26.820" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="8357" PostId="4743" Score="0" Text="I did indeed mark for moderator attention and it was ultimately deleted.  However, while I was confident that the name and postal address was not the _poster's_ PII, it looked reasonable to presume it might be _somebody's_ PII, which is why I took the additional step of redacting.  Are you saying that I should not have done so?" CreationDate="2018-01-10T22:15:11.063" UserId="20246" />
  <row Id="8358" PostId="4743" Score="0" Text="I wouldn't have bothered. It's a scam; the only victims are people stupid enough to buy it." CreationDate="2018-01-10T22:21:52.603" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="8359" PostId="4742" Score="0" Text="Editing a post invalidates existing spam flags on it, so better not." CreationDate="2018-01-11T02:11:54.413" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="8360" PostId="4742" Score="1" Text="@muru I don't think that's true actually. It didn't happen in this specific case, anyway. The timeline shows 3 spam flags, then DopeGhoti's edit and then another 3 flags and the post was deleted. So the edit didn't invalidate the 1st 3 flags." CreationDate="2018-01-11T09:41:38.967" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="8361" PostId="4742" Score="0" Text="@terdon ah, yes. It's rolling back that affects spam flags, not editing. &quot;Rolling back a post to a previous state will revert to the number of flags from that particular revision.&quot; https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/58035/270345 My bad." CreationDate="2018-01-11T09:46:26.900" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="8362" PostId="4438" Score="0" Text="To me, scripting is the use of any interpreted programming language.  While /shell-script definitely falls into that, it's actually more of a subset.  Python and Ruby scripts are common in newer systems, and AWK is common in older systems.  While some would say these are programming languages, so are the modern shells." CreationDate="2018-01-11T18:56:52.900" UserId="266134" />
  <row Id="8363" PostId="4736" Score="2" Text="Related:  [Exit strategies for “chameleon questions”](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/43478/195817) and [OP edited question substantially after answer(s) were posted](https://meta.superuser.com/q/9514/150988)." CreationDate="2018-01-12T02:43:44.283" UserId="23408" />
  <row Id="8364" PostId="4745" Score="2" Text="Top users in a tag are listed in the tag information page automatically (and in https://unix.stackexchange.com/tags/history/topusers). We don't need wikis for that. There's also a &quot;frequent&quot; tab and a hot questions page: https://unix.stackexchange.com/tags/history/hot. My guess is that that paragraph was last updated sometime in 2011. :P" CreationDate="2018-01-12T05:47:14.690" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="8365" PostId="4745" Score="1" Text="Also, for communities on SO, the chatroom list is commonly delineated around top-level tags: Android, JavaScript, Java, Python, PHP, etc. (Though not explicitly related to a tag in terms of the internal software, I suppose.)" CreationDate="2018-01-12T05:51:10.737" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="8366" PostId="4745" Score="0" Text="@muru, I'd love to see an &quot;answer&quot; post from you.  This is a &quot;discussion&quot; tag, after all.  :)" CreationDate="2018-01-12T06:15:25.597" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="8367" PostId="4746" Score="4" Text="If you’re interested in focusing on a couple of topics, you monitor the tags for those topics.   But how does your answer relate to the usefulness of tag *wikis?*" CreationDate="2018-01-13T00:50:37.280" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="8368" PostId="4746" Score="4" Text="I have edited the tag wiki; and I am monitoring the tags so that, over time, the tag wiki will be a richer, more useful resource." CreationDate="2018-01-13T03:10:31.233" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="8369" PostId="4747" Score="4" Text="Just waiting for someone to be using alpine on alpine!" CreationDate="2018-01-16T11:32:33.943" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8370" PostId="4185" Score="0" Text="Sorry this was overlooked for so long. It's [fixed now](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4747/73) using your suggested tag name; the alpine tag is deleted" CreationDate="2018-01-16T21:27:05.740" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="8374" PostId="4725" Score="1" Text="My guess - Mr.Robot made this distro so popular. :)" CreationDate="2018-01-17T21:28:03.400" UserId="126666" />
  <row Id="8375" PostId="4750" Score="0" Text="You mean the +N and -Y you see when clicking on the score? That doesn't work on mobile AFAIK, no." CreationDate="2018-01-18T10:06:31.450" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="8376" PostId="4750" Score="0" Text="In a mobile browser or the app? Safari and the app work for me." CreationDate="2018-01-18T10:46:05.120" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8377" PostId="4750" Score="0" Text="The former. I am using Chrome on Android (may provide the detailed UA information if needed)" CreationDate="2018-01-18T10:53:21.340" UserId="259023" />
  <row Id="8378" PostId="4750" Score="1" Text="Related? https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/296739/307535" CreationDate="2018-01-18T11:28:43.043" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8379" PostId="2708" Score="0" Text="this needs a good canonical answer for why you can't change a variable in a subshell (e.g. pipe into a while loop).  I have to search for one every time it gets duped." CreationDate="2018-01-18T11:35:03.400" UserId="7696" />
  <row Id="8380" PostId="2708" Score="0" Text="@cas do you have a suggestion? I know I've seen one but I can't find it now." CreationDate="2018-01-18T12:09:33.003" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="8381" PostId="2708" Score="0" Text="I just used this https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/9954/why-is-my-variable-local-in-one-while-read-loop-but-not-in-another-seemingly because of Gilles' explanation, but I **know** i've seen better (more comprehensive) ones, possibly also by Gilles or maybe Stéphane" CreationDate="2018-01-18T12:15:54.853" UserId="7696" />
  <row Id="8382" PostId="4750" Score="0" Text="Possible duplicate of [Show the number of up-votes and down-votes on the mobile site theme](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/108769/show-the-number-of-up-votes-and-down-votes-on-the-mobile-site-theme)" CreationDate="2018-01-18T19:23:25.850" UserId="162551" />
  <row Id="8383" PostId="4751" Score="0" Text="And why would you say no? In any case, calling libvirt an “API” is misleading: AFAIK there's a single implementation of that interface, which is the library also called libvirt. In any case, libvirt is also the name of the project as a whole, including the libvirt library and the libvirtd program." CreationDate="2018-01-18T19:39:48.593" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="8384" PostId="4750" Score="0" Text="Can you close meta Q’s cross-site??" CreationDate="2018-01-19T00:04:37.663" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8385" PostId="4751" Score="2" Text="This would make sense if we allowed questions on both and considered the use of separate tags useful for searching or following. But... Questions about the API would probably be off-topic here (only standard POSIX API is on-topic, everything else would go to SO). So this distinction won't matter." CreationDate="2018-01-19T01:00:22.380" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="8387" PostId="4750" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller Yes it is a duplicate. I wanted to close it as a duplicate but was told that a duplicate should be on U&amp;L meta rather than meta. I don't know how to flsg it the way you do." CreationDate="2018-01-19T01:13:36.013" UserId="259023" />
  <row Id="8388" PostId="572" Score="0" Text="Related: https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/64068 ; https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/87739 ; https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/199989" CreationDate="2018-01-20T05:01:51.150" UserDisplayName="user6860" />
  <row Id="8389" PostId="4755" Score="1" Text="Note that Linux Mint is absolutely not on topic on [ubuntu.se]. Only *official* Ubuntu flavors are on topic there. Please see the [the relevant help page](https://askubuntu.com/help/on-topic)." CreationDate="2018-01-20T15:55:26.573" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="8390" PostId="4754" Score="3" Text="I agree. The tag has 0 followers so I doubt any one else thinks it's useful." CreationDate="2018-01-21T00:24:22.600" UserId="22812" />
  <row Id="8399" PostId="4757" Score="1" Text="Since I’m one of the reviewers who recommended deletion, I’ll chime in to say that the above expresses my thoughts exactly.  If you (tomasz) had taken your comment, “no root ownership in home directories of other users”, and written it as a complete, articulate sentence *in your answer*, I might have voted otherwise.  But questions aren’t answers, and comments aren’t answers." CreationDate="2018-01-21T22:14:30.697" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="8400" PostId="4757" Score="0" Text="With all due respect, @G-Man, “no root ownership in home directories of other users” and &quot;Why would root own anything in my personal home directory?&quot; are the same to me. As far as I agree with judging the merit of my answers, I consider their form a minor matter." CreationDate="2018-01-22T00:53:22.443" UserDisplayName="user147505" />
  <row Id="8401" PostId="4717" Score="3" Text="I agree in general, but when the edit to be made is just to use Markdown formatting for code, it's a lot more helpful to just make the edit.  New users usually don't know how, and by seeing your edit, they will learn how to format their own post next time.  (That's how *I* learned.)" CreationDate="2018-01-23T01:15:35.833" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="8402" PostId="3900" Score="0" Text="Incidentally, is there a reputation threshold below which it's impossible to write custom close reasons?  If there is, I'm past it by now, but I seem to recall at one time being *able* to vote to close but *unable* to write a custom reason." CreationDate="2018-01-23T01:23:06.397" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="8403" PostId="3900" Score="0" Text="@Wildcard I don't think so, but I'll check." CreationDate="2018-01-23T01:24:59.347" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="8405" PostId="534" Score="0" Text="@Caleb, when I search a question on &lt;search engine of choice&gt;, **I always look *first* to see if any Stack Exchange links have shown up** —even if they're not result #1.  Only if they haven't, do I click the top link to elsewhere (with some disappointment).  So there *is* value in having the questions answered **on this site.**  Exception is things for which there is excellent documentation readily available, but then I'm searching the docs directly.  When I go to a general search engine, I want to be pointed HERE.  So I don't think ripper234's questions merit downvotes for your reasons." CreationDate="2018-01-23T02:02:15.030" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="8406" PostId="4761" Score="1" Text="I'd go for the first option if I felt strongly about it. In the past I have also left comments on the accepted answers when I felt that this was enough." CreationDate="2018-01-26T11:05:39.317" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="8407" PostId="3900" Score="0" Text="@Wildcard prior to having the vote to close privilege, the custom close reason is just &quot;Blatantly off-topic&quot; in the flag dialog (which becomes the close dialog when you get the privilege)." CreationDate="2018-01-26T17:47:10.203" UserId="118165" />
  <row Id="8408" PostId="3900" Score="1" Text="@Wildcard now that Tiny Giant reminded me, I did check on a site where I don't have close vote privileges and no, I couldn't use a custom value. Even so, in such cases, a custom mod flag would probably be best. My main problem with mis-using the close reasons is that they give wrong information to posters and don't help them understand our rules." CreationDate="2018-01-26T17:58:49.823" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="8409" PostId="4760" Score="2" Text="I think this would be a valuable change and I like the 3rd one, perhaps combined with the 2nd sentence of #4.  ``This appears to be a request for assistance in finding help elsewhere.  Questions should focus on a specific point or issue, and not just seek learning materials.  If you have a specific question or issue, please reword the question to ask it directly from members of our community.''" CreationDate="2018-01-26T23:19:20.953" UserId="151566" />
  <row Id="8410" PostId="4735" Score="0" Text="This answer is excellent, however there is yet another very practical point to filter out low-quality questions; what would be the site use without moderation if the noise/signal ratio was so high you could not find valuable information anymore?" CreationDate="2018-01-27T19:33:34.813" UserId="138261" />
  <row Id="8412" PostId="4764" Score="0" Text="I think this was a good compromise." CreationDate="2018-01-28T13:55:17.350" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="8413" PostId="4760" Score="0" Text="This is indeed a very good suggestion, thanks! Do you think you could post it as a separate meta question to start the discussion?" CreationDate="2018-01-28T16:25:46.813" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="8414" PostId="4760" Score="0" Text="I think its best someone who knows the meta &quot;in thinking&quot; does so. I fall foul of question closes now and then which suggests I don't have quite enough of a grasp of the perspective, to suggest it. But if it has value, please do." CreationDate="2018-01-28T19:57:02.677" UserId="120614" />
  <row Id="8415" PostId="4766" Score="0" Text="This is a demonstration post to indicate how this should look when an ad is posted. It also doubles as your twitter ad, but it's up to you if you wish to promote it by voting" CreationDate="2018-01-29T05:12:06.600" UserId="9541" />
  <row Id="8416" PostId="4754" Score="1" Text="yes, we don't need duplicates" CreationDate="2018-01-29T14:04:08.097" UserId="246609" />
  <row Id="8417" PostId="4768" Score="1" Text="Better screenshots welcome. Visual composition is not a strong skill of mine." CreationDate="2018-01-29T23:52:19.287" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="8418" PostId="4769" Score="6" Text="Every year I upvote this, but I so wish that &quot;why&quot; could be capitalized. :(" CreationDate="2018-01-30T01:24:53.710" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="8420" PostId="4770" Score="1" Text="@G-Man I am not sure if it is an *exact* dupe - the user changes the question *using the details provided by an answer*. I think it is the behavior of the help vampires - he could ask an infinite long question list, but too lazy to press the &quot;Ask Question&quot; button twice. It is a significantly different problem from the dupes (which is not really a problem). This category is imho more like the &quot;multiple questions packed into one&quot; problem." CreationDate="2018-01-30T17:40:11.100" UserId="52236" />
  <row Id="8421" PostId="4754" Score="8" Text="yes, we don't need duplicates" CreationDate="2018-01-30T21:52:31.033" UserId="20246" />
  <row Id="8422" PostId="4773" Score="0" Text="The top answer to that makes a good case for deleting posts that give code without any explanation. The example here is just that, *and* incorrect to boot." CreationDate="2018-01-30T22:44:36.097" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="8424" PostId="4760" Score="0" Text="@John - I'd edit yours to take out the bit after the comma in the 2nd sentence about learning materials, which snuck in again :) Otherwise you reintroduce exactly the phrase that gets misused per the OP and kicked off this whole question. My sense is you can remove that entire clause (or even sentence?) and your wording won't be any less or miss anything important out. It actually doesn't add much. You want them to ask a specific issue if they have one, and ask the community the question itself, not just ask where else to find an answer. That puts the focus on what you actually want, and ..." CreationDate="2018-01-30T23:16:40.250" UserId="120614" />
  <row Id="8425" PostId="4760" Score="0" Text="avoids the phrase &quot;learning material&quot;, which is much more open to individual interpretation. As that's the actual aim, just word it to say so plainly, which takes out a lot of the (possible mis-) interpretive aspects." CreationDate="2018-01-30T23:20:15.940" UserId="120614" />
  <row Id="8426" PostId="4773" Score="0" Text="@muru: (1) Well, it ***says*** that *some* answers with no explanation should be deleted, but it looks more like an opinion to me; I don’t see a “good case”.   And I don’t particularly agree with it.   (2) I believe that low-quality questions deserve low-quality answers.   The author of [the question](https://unix.stackexchange.com/q/420775/80216) didn’t put much effort into it, and is clearly asking for a command; I don’t see why an answer that provides only a command isn’t sufficient.   … (Cont’d)" CreationDate="2018-01-30T23:28:34.440" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="8427" PostId="4773" Score="0" Text="(Cont’d) …  (3) I believe that this isn’t really relevant here, but was the answer wrong other than the trivial typo? (4) [The other answer](https://unix.stackexchange.com/q/420775/80216#420798) to the question (which is just a light-weight synopsis of [tante’s answer](https://unix.stackexchange.com/q/2690/80216#2691) to a question of which this one is (maybe) a duplicate, isn’t any better. It is a command line with a little window dressing but no real explanation. … (Cont’d)" CreationDate="2018-01-30T23:28:36.910" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="8428" PostId="4773" Score="0" Text="(Cont’d) …  And it adds the minor flaw of taking commands that were on separate lines and putting them on the same line, *separated by* `;` *instead of* `&amp;&amp;`.  That answer should probably be deleted because (a) if a question is a duplicate, it should be flagged/closed as a duplicate. Copying answers from the other question is not appropriate. And (b) it (sort-of) copies [tante’s answer](https://unix.stackexchange.com/q/2690/80216#2691) without explicitly identifying [the original author](https://unix.stackexchange.com/users/33/tante)." CreationDate="2018-01-30T23:28:39.267" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="8431" PostId="4775" Score="1" Text="So, are you suggesting a delete vote for &quot;maybe this...&quot; or comment-less code is acceptable, and possibly even recommended?" CreationDate="2018-01-30T23:33:53.213" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="8432" PostId="4775" Score="2" Text="At the risk of being pedantic, this is a comment that does not answer the question.     :-)    ⁠" CreationDate="2018-01-30T23:35:10.360" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="8433" PostId="4775" Score="0" Text="@roaima  (in the case of &quot;maybe this...&quot;, if there's no indication of what *this* is or why maybe this). I routinely downvote and vote to delete answers that give code without explanation." CreationDate="2018-01-30T23:35:10.523" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="8434" PostId="4775" Score="1" Text="@G :) not directly. When I say that an answer should do X, the implication is that answers that don't do X aren't worthy of being called answers and should be nuked as such." CreationDate="2018-01-30T23:36:27.237" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="8435" PostId="4773" Score="0" Text="@G-Man ref (2). the OP did at least bother to try a couple of variants, even if neither was successful. There are (way too many) other questions where the person asking couldn't even be bothered to do that. Maybe I'm lowering the mental bar too much... :-(" CreationDate="2018-01-30T23:37:16.160" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="8436" PostId="4775" Score="0" Text="Why not do the same for answers that are wrong but have a persuasive (but wrong) explanation?" CreationDate="2018-01-30T23:37:47.100" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="8437" PostId="4774" Score="0" Text="Thanks. I'd written most of my question here before you picked up on my incorrect approval of the broken edit. It (the deletion puzzle, not your comment) is something that's been puzzling me for a while now." CreationDate="2018-01-30T23:43:51.950" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="8438" PostId="4773" Score="1" Text="@roaima: The Emperor has no clothes!     Am I the only one who noticed that the OP’s “couple of variants” are identical?" CreationDate="2018-01-30T23:45:19.143" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="8439" PostId="4773" Score="2" Text="Where's the markup for _shakes head in despair and looks for the close-because-it-s-just-incomprehensibly-stupid button_?" CreationDate="2018-01-30T23:47:28.683" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="8440" PostId="4775" Score="0" Text="@G-Man  then you have an indication that the poster has some understanding of what's going on and an opportunity to improve that. In that case, I downvote with a comment, and VTD only if OP shows no intention of fixing it after a couple of days." CreationDate="2018-01-30T23:50:06.580" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="8441" PostId="4773" Score="1" Text="@roaima I wouldn't give much weight to OP's couple of variants (even if they weren't identical). I have felt that there's a recent trend to throw random crap dressed in code formatting in questions as a way to avoid &quot;what have you tried&quot; comments. In particular, I strongly believe that *this* particular question was edited to add the &quot;second&quot; try purely for bumping." CreationDate="2018-01-30T23:55:32.077" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="8442" PostId="4337" Score="4" Text="Possible duplicate of [Community Promotion Ads - 2018](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4765/community-promotion-ads-2018)" CreationDate="2018-02-01T19:22:33.113" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="8443" PostId="4775" Score="1" Text="@G-Man, in my opinion, a wrong answer with a persuasive wrong explanation will *ideally* wind up with *many* downvotes, a clear comment explaining *why* it is wrong, and many many upvotes on that comment.  NOT deleted.  In that form, it's a lesson for future readers.  But I would agree with muru that a monstrous 100-liner without even the slightest attempt at explanation *that is also wrong*, should be deleted if the author isn't willing or responsive about fixing it." CreationDate="2018-02-02T05:08:20.087" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="8444" PostId="4774" Score="0" Text="Good point about losing the comment.  That comment is valuable advice." CreationDate="2018-02-02T05:09:03.230" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="8445" PostId="4774" Score="0" Text="Upvoted because I take the same approach. I just thought I'd mention that a poster can still see their own posts (and any comments on them) even after they've been deleted. That's why I usually comment when voting to *Recommend Deletion* in the Low Quality Posts review queue." CreationDate="2018-02-02T09:55:14.237" UserId="22812" />
  <row Id="8446" PostId="4774" Score="0" Text="Good point @Anthony, thanks. Would the writer still get notified? What happens if the answer is deleted before they see the notification?" CreationDate="2018-02-02T10:16:59.777" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="8448" PostId="4774" Score="0" Text="Searching on [meta.se] indicates that users get notified when a moderator comments on their deleted posts. I presume that question refers to diamond moderators but it shows it's possible that users also get notified of  comments by non-moderators: https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/301722/229493. **Update**: This answer clarifies that they won't get notifications of non-moderator comments: https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/231990/229493" CreationDate="2018-02-02T10:59:21.817" UserId="22812" />
  <row Id="8449" PostId="4774" Score="2" Text="*Another update*: Because I could still see my own self-deleted answer, I presumed that all users would see *all* of the posts that they “own”, regardless of whether they’ve been deleted or not.  Further research shows that they can’t view posts that are deleted by moderators: https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/135362/229493 I’d advocate that this Meta feature request be upvoted as it seems like common sense and I’m disappointed that this isn’t already the case: there’s little point in us spending time and effort educating new users if they may not ever see our feedback. Sorry for the confusion." CreationDate="2018-02-02T11:24:41.820" UserId="22812" />
  <row Id="8450" PostId="4774" Score="2" Text="Users will receive notifications of *canned comments* left by reviewers in the *Low Quality Posts* review queue – even if the post is deleted. However, if you take the time to leave a more detailed comment that is tailored to that specific post, the user will *not* get a notification: https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/143640/229493" CreationDate="2018-02-02T11:38:23.293" UserId="22812" />
  <row Id="8451" PostId="4781" Score="0" Text="Ok, I haven't offered a bounty before, so I hadn't realised that. But what if the question itself is out-of-date? Is that considered a legit reason to edit it?" CreationDate="2018-02-03T21:27:14.283" UserId="257802" />
  <row Id="8452" PostId="4781" Score="0" Text="Provide an example, please. It's not entirely clear what you mean by an outdated question." CreationDate="2018-02-03T21:31:46.247" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="8453" PostId="4781" Score="0" Text="Ok, I've edited my question to give an example." CreationDate="2018-02-03T21:38:42.133" UserId="257802" />
  <row Id="8454" PostId="4781" Score="0" Text="Well, I have two dual boots with Windows 10 (upgraded from 8) and I'm certain it's not overwriting GRUB in either instance. I think your problem is not actually an instance of that question at all, but a different problem, and should be posted as a separate question." CreationDate="2018-02-03T21:43:07.170" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="8455" PostId="4781" Score="0" Text="Ok, sorry, that example is more of an outdated answer. The outdated question was more hypothetical." CreationDate="2018-02-03T21:43:35.087" UserId="257802" />
  <row Id="8456" PostId="4781" Score="0" Text="Oh? Which answers are outdated? The one that mentions XP? There are comments on it from 2016 and 2017 validating it, so it's hardly out of date." CreationDate="2018-02-03T21:46:27.170" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="8457" PostId="4781" Score="0" Text="In my case, I am certain it is overwriting GRUB, as chroot-ing and running 'update-grub' fixes it. So, it seems to me that a new question would be very similar to that one, and may get voted down." CreationDate="2018-02-03T21:46:59.930" UserId="257802" />
  <row Id="8458" PostId="4781" Score="0" Text="This is entirely my own opinion, but: since the problem is with Windows, maybe try asking on [su] as to what else in Windows could be overwriting the bootloader on each boot other than updates or restores. Your problem is certainly not about that question being outdated in anyway (since I have an up-to-date system without disabling updates or restores and my bootloader is not getting overwritten) but something else in your setup." CreationDate="2018-02-03T21:50:34.580" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="8459" PostId="4781" Score="0" Text="The highest-rated and accepted answer is out-of-date, where it says that 'Windows will overwrite the boot sector whenever you install it, upgrade it to a new version, or use tools like ...'. I have not done any of those things, yet GRUB is being overwritten. I know how to fix it, but it's a big pain to have to do that after *every* time I boot up Windows." CreationDate="2018-02-03T21:51:04.703" UserId="257802" />
  <row Id="8460" PostId="4781" Score="0" Text="Well, that top answer does not seem to be universally true, for every case. It seems to be missing something (therefore, imo, it could/should be improved upon)." CreationDate="2018-02-03T21:52:56.777" UserId="257802" />
  <row Id="8461" PostId="4781" Score="0" Text="Are you saying it is outdated because it doesn't exhaustively list every possible reason why a bootloader could get overwritten?" CreationDate="2018-02-03T21:53:53.023" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="8462" PostId="4781" Score="0" Text="Technically, that answer doesn't adequately answer the question, which was 'How can I *prevent* Windows from overwriting the boot sector?', not 'How can I fix it afterwards, once it has happened?'. The answer is not helping me, because I have tried its recommendations and I am still not able to prevent my boot sector from being overwritten by Windows. So, in my opinion, the answer is missing something and could be improved upon." CreationDate="2018-02-03T21:59:50.060" UserId="257802" />
  <row Id="8463" PostId="4780" Score="0" Text="I think adding a new answer is appropriate if you have the same situation but a new solution. If there’s a new/different situation, then I’d think it’d warrant a new question." CreationDate="2018-02-03T22:01:38.817" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8464" PostId="4781" Score="0" Text="Technically, I think that would be offtopic: that's entirely about Windows. And impossible to answer, since we don't have the source code of Windows, we cannot list every possible reason that could cause it to overwrite the bootloader." CreationDate="2018-02-03T22:04:12.787" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="8465" PostId="4781" Score="0" Text="Ok. So I assume you'll be flagging that old question as 'off-topic' then? ;)" CreationDate="2018-02-03T22:05:59.870" UserId="257802" />
  <row Id="8466" PostId="4781" Score="0" Text="Perhaps then the issue is not that it is *outdated*. As you say, the same issue is not occurring for you. So, perhaps I should offer a bounty on it, as you suggest, if someone can improve on it. Although, bear in mind that this meta question is a general one, not necessarily just limited to that one example." CreationDate="2018-02-03T22:06:15.213" UserId="257802" />
  <row Id="8467" PostId="4781" Score="0" Text="I have given my preferred solution here: ask on [su] about what else could be causing this other than updates or restores." CreationDate="2018-02-03T22:08:13.937" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="8468" PostId="4781" Score="0" Text="For the general case, the bounty answer remains." CreationDate="2018-02-03T22:08:36.070" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="8469" PostId="4780" Score="1" Text="Ok, thanks Jeff. Perhaps I will post a new question in this case then, as the recommendations in the top-rated answer don't seem to address the issue on my system. I can make that clear and link the previous question in my new one." CreationDate="2018-02-03T22:09:58.673" UserId="257802" />
  <row Id="8470" PostId="4782" Score="1" Text="Create a new question, but link to the old one, and explain why and how they are different so that the new question will not be flagged as a duplicate by others." CreationDate="2018-02-05T14:31:13.227" UserId="259023" />
  <row Id="8471" PostId="3900" Score="0" Text="s/probably shouldn't/shouldn't/" CreationDate="2018-02-05T17:15:06.723" UserId="78518" />
  <row Id="8472" PostId="4773" Score="1" Text="@G-Man an answer that only provides a command is insufficient because it's no better than a comment.  We want not only high-quality questions but high quality answers that can serve as a useful reference for other people with similar questions.   What the OP asks for isn't always relevant or important.  BTW, comments can get deleted any time, I don't see any reason why comment-level bad answers shouldn't be." CreationDate="2018-02-11T05:36:35.407" UserId="7696" />
  <row Id="8475" PostId="4786" Score="9" Text="History questions are generally on-topic. There's a tag for it: [tag:history]. There can still be *bad* on-topic questions." CreationDate="2018-02-14T00:37:31.850" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="8476" PostId="4631" Score="0" Text="+1. This also addresses one problem I have with the OP suggestion: posting the same content as answer rather than comment will not do anything to discourage the deletion of the question by its author." CreationDate="2018-02-14T19:46:37.303" UserId="59808" />
  <row Id="8477" PostId="4789" Score="0" Text="Michael, thanks for the informative reply, and thanks for going to the trouble of editing my query." CreationDate="2018-02-15T18:59:29.103" UserId="112507" />
  <row Id="8478" PostId="4790" Score="1" Text="Sounds a lot like [serial downvoting](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/126829/what-is-serial-voting-and-how-does-it-affect-me); if it is, it'll be reversed." CreationDate="2018-02-16T12:04:30.430" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8479" PostId="4790" Score="1" Text="And if the user is very experienced in the mechanics of the SE system and can deceive these? It might be the case, this is not the first time it happens with the user I think it is." CreationDate="2018-02-16T12:56:33.687" UserId="258010" />
  <row Id="8480" PostId="4791" Score="5" Text="+1 for actually taking this to Meta." CreationDate="2018-02-16T17:39:41.710" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="8481" PostId="4789" Score="0" Text="Also, it is unlikely that any of the involved user would be able to _do_ anything about their vote once the question has been closed, unless one of them was a moderator (and in that case, the question may well have a good reason to remain closed, but nobody is perfect)." CreationDate="2018-02-16T17:47:20.283" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="8482" PostId="4791" Score="6" Text="I'm generally pretty hard on [help vampires](http://slash7.com/2006/12/22/vampires/), but even I wouldn't drop links to that site in a comment..." CreationDate="2018-02-16T20:54:47.260" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="8483" PostId="4789" Score="0" Text="@Kusalananda: What do you mean by “it is unlikely that any of the involved user(s) would be able to *do* anything about their vote once the question has been closed”?   Anybody who cast a vote to close can also vote to reopen, unless their reputation fell below 3000 since they cast the close vote.   It’s true that none of them will be able to ***unilaterally*** reopen the question." CreationDate="2018-02-16T21:30:15.600" UserId="23408" />
  <row Id="8484" PostId="4789" Score="0" Text="@user2661923: A point that doesn’t get made often enough, clearly enough (IMHO) is that,  while editing your question puts it into the Reopen Queue, all it takes is for three people to vote thumbs down (“leave closed”) for it to be knocked out of the review queue.  … (Cont’d)" CreationDate="2018-02-16T21:30:17.590" UserId="23408" />
  <row Id="8485" PostId="4789" Score="1" Text="(Cont’d) …  Therefore, if your question is put “on hold”, you should read all the comments and all the applicable help pages to try to figure out why it was closed, and what you need to do to fix it, and then do that *all as one edit*.  If you make a series of small edits, the question may get knocked out of the review queue before you’ve improved it enough to make people want to reopen it." CreationDate="2018-02-16T21:30:19.390" UserId="23408" />
  <row Id="8486" PostId="4789" Score="1" Text="@Scott I was referring to the close vote that they  had cast. It can be retracted at any time until the question is actually closed. After that point, yes, reopen votes may be cast." CreationDate="2018-02-16T21:35:39.600" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="8487" PostId="4790" Score="4" Text="Focus on asking better questions; that *is* within your control. Imaginary vendettas are not." CreationDate="2018-02-17T19:00:12.280" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="8488" PostId="4795" Score="1" Text="No, well I had 2 clashes with 2 users, very experienced with the system that I won't mention their names here, They made some of these, I'm sure." CreationDate="2018-02-18T21:46:32.027" UserId="258010" />
  <row Id="8489" PostId="4794" Score="1" Text="I appreciate your unbiased approach. Yet I think you missed, or perhaps avoided, the crucial point; I consider the question still unanswered." CreationDate="2018-02-19T09:41:39.493" UserId="157411" />
  <row Id="8490" PostId="4794" Score="5" Text="@Murphy What is the crucial point?" CreationDate="2018-02-19T09:42:44.480" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="8491" PostId="4789" Score="0" Text="Gold tag badge holders can single-handedly re-open a question if it has the appropriate tag. (I imagine many meta readers know this...)" CreationDate="2018-02-20T13:41:58.977" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="8492" PostId="4799" Score="7" Text="SuperUser has a stock Q&amp;A for Windows at https://superuser.com/questions/100360/ .  Perhaps Unix and Linux should have a similar one for Unix and Linux.  Perhaps they should cross-reference one another." CreationDate="2018-02-20T20:04:53.080" UserId="5132" />
  <row Id="8493" PostId="4795" Score="4" Text="Despite being sure, you're most likely wrong." CreationDate="2018-02-20T20:13:22.517" UserId="5132" />
  <row Id="8494" PostId="4802" Score="0" Text="Related - [When to vote to delete an answer](/questions/4772/when-to-vote-to-delete-an-answer)" CreationDate="2018-02-20T22:50:31.023" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="8496" PostId="4789" Score="0" Text="@StephenKitt I wonder if that is true. I've closed a bash question single handedly once and was not able to reopen it. I might be misremembering though..." CreationDate="2018-02-22T22:47:47.140" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="8497" PostId="4806" Score="1" Text="The logic you're proposing would equally suggest that all Windows questions were on-topic, so it may not be entirely sound. Nobody has voted to close as a duplicate so far, in any case." CreationDate="2018-02-26T03:24:55.673" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="8498" PostId="4806" Score="1" Text="Just because the answer in the original question does not cover your situation, does not make the question not a duplicate.  I think more important is that a few years have elapsed, and Windows behavior has changed.  Still the same question.  Unless you want to specify that you need to know what has changed in Windows. Then it is off-topic." CreationDate="2018-02-26T03:45:34.223" UserId="208146" />
  <row Id="8499" PostId="4806" Score="5" Text="Note that the presence of a tag on a site is not an indication that the tag's subject is on-topic. Any user can create a tag, and all SE sites have a few tags that shouldn't be there. This isn't the case here, but I just wanted to point out that the presence of a tag is not an argument for something being on topic. It is a reasonable assumption to make, it's just very often wrong." CreationDate="2018-02-26T08:57:33.420" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="8500" PostId="4807" Score="2" Text="Thanks for your answer, although I don't think I am 'rejecting' the method of using a live USB to reinstall GRUB. As you say, that answer sidestepped the underlying question of how to prevent Windows from replacing it in the first place." CreationDate="2018-02-26T11:30:30.780" UserId="257802" />
  <row Id="8501" PostId="4807" Score="1" Text="Yes, perhaps it would be better received if I request it be moved to Superuser." CreationDate="2018-02-26T11:33:17.100" UserId="257802" />
  <row Id="8502" PostId="4806" Score="2" Text="@StephenRauch FYI, I made another Meta post before posting the question, as I was concerned it might be flagged as a duplicate: https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4780/how-to-request-updates-to-out-of-date-questions-answers. I was advised there that it is ok to post a duplicate question, if the underlying situation seems to be different." CreationDate="2018-02-26T11:36:00.737" UserId="257802" />
  <row Id="8503" PostId="4806" Score="1" Text="@terdon ok. But then, how do you explain the large discrepancy between how that previous question was received and mine? There has surely been a change in policy/sentiment on here in the past 4 years regarding such questions?" CreationDate="2018-02-26T11:38:09.183" UserId="257802" />
  <row Id="8504" PostId="4806" Score="2" Text="@Time4Tea I think Michael did a good job of explaining in [his answer](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/a/4807/22222). I was just making a general point since people often assume a tag indicates that something is on topic, which is often a wrong assumption. That said, your question is asking for help on disabling a Windows feature (or bug, or whatever) so it isn't something we can help you with. We would just tell you to reinstall grub and, understandably, you're getting tired of doing it again and again. So you need help from Windows folks, and we can't offer that." CreationDate="2018-02-26T11:41:33.290" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="8505" PostId="4807" Score="1" Text="@Time4Tea just delete it here and repost on [su]. There's no benefit to migrating it and if you delete and repost, it will appear as newly posted on [su]." CreationDate="2018-02-26T11:42:36.333" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="8506" PostId="4807" Score="1" Text="@terdon ok, I will do. Thanks." CreationDate="2018-02-26T11:50:42.927" UserId="257802" />
  <row Id="8507" PostId="4807" Score="16" Text="@Time4Tea also, thank you for taking the time to post here and for handling the entire thing so calmly and politely. Some of the comments you received were more brusque than they could have been, and I really appreciate that you reacted in such a constructive way." CreationDate="2018-02-26T11:56:44.337" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="8508" PostId="4806" Score="2" Text="That's why I suggested multiple times that this should be posted on [su]." CreationDate="2018-02-26T12:59:12.163" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="8509" PostId="4808" Score="6" Text="I’m not a moderator and haven’t seen that answer until now, but in my opinion, they tried to answer the question with a tool that appears to meet the requirements. I think “spam” would be used for posts that are clearly only links to an unrelated item" CreationDate="2018-02-28T17:25:00.720" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8510" PostId="4809" Score="5" Text="I don't think the bio is sufficient. The answer itself should do so, otherwise the bio is just yet another place for advertisement." CreationDate="2018-03-02T01:31:29.543" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="8511" PostId="4799" Score="2" Text="Hello from [sf]. We have this stock Q&amp;A and close many questions as a duplicate of it, precisely because there are so many questions the community got tired of answering them the same way over and over." CreationDate="2018-03-03T02:03:20.373" UserId="20805" />
  <row Id="8512" PostId="4800" Score="1" Text="I disagree that the question is too broad. An answer doesn't need to go into all the details of each of these points: even just listing those points is a start. And we've had similar questions before and we ([I](https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/2865/moving-linux-install-to-a-new-computer)) did answer them." CreationDate="2018-03-03T10:40:56.780" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="8513" PostId="4800" Score="1" Text="I also disagree that “trying things out by yourself (…) will most likely generate the best answers”. This often leads to XY problems and answers that focus on fixing fixing the Y solution but not on solving the original problem." CreationDate="2018-03-03T10:42:01.453" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="8514" PostId="4792" Score="14" Text="Plus there aren't any fish in that lake." CreationDate="2018-03-03T11:06:16.527" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="8515" PostId="4799" Score="1" Text="Too bad SE doesn't support cross-site duplicates..." CreationDate="2018-03-03T17:50:48.133" UserId="77928" />
  <row Id="8516" PostId="4800" Score="2" Text="@Gilles I won't argue with your first comment because it depends on the reader and their expertise to some degree. As for your second comment, it depends on how the question is phrased. If the question says &quot;I'm trying to do _this_ and I thought I'd try doing it _this_ way, but it doesn't work _because_&quot; (i.e. mentions the overall goal _and_ the task at hand), then it would make a good and more specific question." CreationDate="2018-03-04T10:33:30.910" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="8517" PostId="4812" Score="0" Text="The system will delete it automatically in a week or so." CreationDate="2018-03-05T21:23:53.743" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="8518" PostId="4815" Score="1" Text="Relating: https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/q/1278/117549" CreationDate="2018-03-06T17:49:48.750" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8520" PostId="4815" Score="0" Text="I was on the fence when I saw that one, too, and any remaining desire to help galloped away when they insulted you. I would ponder a downvote (&quot;how useful is this to anyone else?&quot;) and moving on." CreationDate="2018-03-06T17:54:24.083" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8521" PostId="4815" Score="0" Text="Thanks very kindly for that link; it answers my question well, @JeffSchaller.  And yes, I am refraining from answering it even in light of that answer for the same reason you'd moved on." CreationDate="2018-03-06T17:56:10.263" UserId="20246" />
  <row Id="8522" PostId="4799" Score="1" Text="Ah, now I know why my serverfault answer is suddenly getting attention again. FWIW I think it's interesting that we've really not moved on from &quot;nuke it and start again&quot;, but if anything the threats have become worse. Is it worth creating a new. more *nix focused canonical question and answers (if you do such things) for U&amp;L?" CreationDate="2018-03-08T21:29:23.067" UserId="14696" />
  <row Id="8523" PostId="4799" Score="0" Text="@RobMoir I think one would be welcome here." CreationDate="2018-03-08T22:40:31.730" UserId="977" />
  <row Id="8524" PostId="4809" Score="0" Text="@muru but still not a spam flag. Spam flags do a lot of damage to the offending user and are only for spammers. This user seems to have answered in good faith." CreationDate="2018-03-09T01:55:40.880" UserId="99786" />
  <row Id="8525" PostId="4809" Score="0" Text="@jakekimdsΨ *this* user, yes. I have also seen users who did go about post their tool to a bunch of related questions, without disclosing affiliation in the post. Since this user just posted two answers, I posted a comment asking to disclose affiliation. If they hadn't responded by editing it in, I'd have flagged spam." CreationDate="2018-03-09T01:57:41.737" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="8526" PostId="4818" Score="0" Text="If the software had a public URL for download I would have posted it in the question.  Unfortunately I got it via an associate. It is no longer supported." CreationDate="2018-03-09T10:34:46.110" UserDisplayName="user119034" />
  <row Id="8527" PostId="4818" Score="0" Text="@gansub Yes, that makes it harder to write a good answer. In this particular case, we may simply need someone with more `imake` knowledge. Note that I _not_ say &quot;don't write a follow-up question&quot;, just that it's important to (try to) frame it in such a way that an answer actually solves the real problem." CreationDate="2018-03-09T10:39:27.910" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="8528" PostId="4808" Score="0" Text="Yeah, that answer is clearly not spam. It answers the question, or at least attempts to. [This screenshot](https://i.stack.imgur.com/dv6jK.png) is an example of spam." CreationDate="2018-03-09T14:55:10.343" UserId="78518" />
  <row Id="8529" PostId="4808" Score="0" Text="For some reason I missed this post. Just wanted to say that the best way is to either do exactly what you did here and ask about it on meta (uhm, we normally do see these and answer, I swear!) or do what Stephen suggested below and ping one of us in chat. Not posting an answer because Stephen already did a fine job of it." CreationDate="2018-03-10T01:40:16.537" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="8530" PostId="4819" Score="0" Text="The question is not really how *active users who participate on meta* enjoy the active question view, but how many people total care about that view. Meta is a small, non-representative sample of site users." CreationDate="2018-03-10T02:43:57.997" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="8531" PostId="4819" Score="0" Text="That’s a good clarification; thank you. I can also only interact with Meta users, not all users, so I’ll take what I can get." CreationDate="2018-03-10T02:47:11.710" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8532" PostId="4816" Score="0" Text="I’m happy to contribute but I’m not a regular here, so I don’t feel it’s my place to vote on whether or not to do it." CreationDate="2018-03-10T08:28:54.743" UserId="14696" />
  <row Id="8533" PostId="4822" Score="0" Text="Thank you for chiming in. Some of the posts I uncover for editing do only need small changes. If 4-6 edits per &quot;batch&quot; seem reasonable, then I'll be patient and continue with that framing." CreationDate="2018-03-12T16:36:31.473" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8534" PostId="4075" Score="0" Text="Looks like this *might* become moot soon; https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/307862/307535" CreationDate="2018-03-12T17:38:04.377" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8535" PostId="4819" Score="0" Text="You make me curious what common typos you look for...." CreationDate="2018-03-12T19:53:05.980" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="8536" PostId="4819" Score="0" Text="@Wildcard short version, I ran `aspell` on the December U&amp;L datadump, added 3117 overrides/exceptions to aspell, then re-ran it &amp; sorted the remainders by frequency. I combined that with an existing query I had and ended up with this SEDE query: [Posts with typos; younger than X days, scoring at least Y](http://data.stackexchange.com/unix/query/771590/posts-with-typos-younger-than-x-days-scoring-at-least-y)" CreationDate="2018-03-12T23:37:55.767" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8537" PostId="4808" Score="0" Text="IMO, recommending a commercial to a solution to a problem is not inherently spam.  However, I would frown on hawking one's own wares without disclosure, or using undisclosed affiliate links.  I've occasionally recommended Splunk, for example, for some data analysis questions, but usually among other possible viable options.  I so so because it might be a good tool for the job, not because I have a financial interest in the program or its vendor(s)." CreationDate="2018-03-13T20:51:02.070" UserId="20246" />
  <row Id="8539" PostId="4819" Score="0" Text="FWIW, I always use the Active Questions view (50 per page) and I'm never bothered by batch-mode editing. Worst case scenario  I have to visit the previous page(s)  to see what happened before the edits but really, I can't imagine why people would have a problem scrolling a few pages back and forth.  As to when to do your edits, I'm sure you'll never agree with the person on the other side of the pond. You're doing a great job " CreationDate="2018-03-15T19:34:14.443" UserId="22142" />
  <row Id="8540" PostId="4827" Score="0" Text="Wow.. So there's people collecting badges for badges ? I think i get 99% of my badges out of luck :D And I can't even sell them like steam items making them pretty worthless ... Well Thank you for the answer." CreationDate="2018-03-19T11:12:11.290" UserId="53092" />
  <row Id="8541" PostId="4827" Score="0" Text="Up to [24 votes per day](https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/privileges/close-questions)" CreationDate="2018-03-19T15:54:23.990" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8542" PostId="4828" Score="2" Text="The notification UI is [irredeemably broken](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/a/4721/6761)." CreationDate="2018-03-19T18:00:53.680" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="8543" PostId="4830" Score="0" Text="Did your position change after the first comment under @gilles post? or from your answer there? this seems pretty similar to what i'm proposing. i think part of the problem is things like this: &quot;If you’re new to the information security field, or are looking to take your first steps towards a new career in InfoSec, the KLCP is a “must have” foundational certification. Built on the philosophy that “you’ve got to walk before you can run,”. - https://www.kali.org/news/introducing-kali-linux-certified-professional/" CreationDate="2018-03-20T21:21:32.603" UserId="280139" />
  <row Id="8544" PostId="4830" Score="0" Text="it may not be a bad idea to direct people to this, (https://kali.training/downloads/Kali-Linux-Revealed-1st-edition.pdf), if you look at how they have laid out the sections in the online version, it seems reasonable to direct new comers there. i think some of the testing facility's are cashing in on this user base by saying things like,  &quot;In addition, the KLCP provides a foundational knowledge for any information security professional, allowing them to use it as a solid base in their information security career or a first step in more advanced training and certifications.&quot; http://vue.com/kali/" CreationDate="2018-03-20T21:27:21.697" UserId="280139" />
  <row Id="8545" PostId="4724" Score="0" Text="I agree with Wildcard. I would find green acceptable only if it were really really pale (possibly with a hint of blue; i.e., cyan), or if it were a green ring (i.e., a circle with a green border and a white interior).   And, if you’re going to use yellow and orange, use yellow and orange, not light muddy brown and dark muddy brown.   (There should be a sharp, clearly visible gradient of darkness; i.e., it should be visible even if viewed on a black&amp;white display.)   I’m not colorblind, but even I have some trouble distinguishing between the colors in the example images." CreationDate="2018-03-20T21:33:14.600" UserId="23408" />
  <row Id="8546" PostId="4830" Score="1" Text="My comments and answers on the Kali meta post were trying to refine my opinion in the U&amp;L community on how to handle various types of Kali questions. Gilles provided an Answer for one class of Kali questions. Re: the certs and pdf, IMHO, Stack Exchange wants to provide self-contained answers, not point to links off-site. Those links could be suggestions for the Kali wiki." CreationDate="2018-03-21T00:04:40.740" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8547" PostId="4830" Score="0" Text="@Tim_Stewart - I've been in InfoSec for a while now, and have *never* heard anyone claim, as you have, that '*the KLCP is a “must have” foundational certification*'." CreationDate="2018-03-21T14:19:43.437" UserId="6388" />
  <row Id="8548" PostId="4830" Score="0" Text="@warren Tim is *quoting* that, not claiming it himself." CreationDate="2018-03-21T16:46:48.110" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="8549" PostId="4830" Score="0" Text="Thank you Stephen, yes these were examples. In fact I found alot more professionals with quotes like this encouraging beginner's to Kali." CreationDate="2018-03-21T18:33:31.250" UserId="280139" />
  <row Id="8552" PostId="4833" Score="3" Text="Nice ! I never read the footer :D" CreationDate="2018-03-26T15:38:13.393" UserId="53092" />
  <row Id="8553" PostId="4833" Score="2" Text="Also, users are free to grant more permissions explicitly. Some do on a regular basis. Others don't think about it but might should you ask them." CreationDate="2018-03-28T12:23:16.327" UserId="139773" />
  <row Id="8554" PostId="4832" Score="0" Text="It could be an interesting question, what is with the license of the code which is not own work, but included from external sources, for example for illustration/demonstration purposes. Brrr....." CreationDate="2018-03-29T19:31:45.097" UserId="52236" />
  <row Id="8555" PostId="332" Score="0" Text="Put a screenshot. `login` is typed as a command only very rarely, it suggests an old system." CreationDate="2018-04-01T14:03:56.103" UserId="52236" />
  <row Id="8556" PostId="4834" Score="2" Text="Looks to me like (1) https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/19739/307535 then (2) someone voted to close." CreationDate="2018-04-02T13:49:06.997" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8558" PostId="4833" Score="1" Text="In addition there is fair use: If code is in a manual, or instructional book (such as this site), then most jurisdictions will see the use of small snippets as fair-use. For example if your example was called dateDifferenceInDays, then the implementation is possibly the only way to do it in a shell script. Or after leaning how to do an `if`, then every-time you do an `if`, it will necessarily be a copy, as there is only one way to do it. This is not an infringement of copy-right. Who owns the copy-right on `if` (no body)." CreationDate="2018-04-03T14:15:21.703" UserId="4778" />
  <row Id="8564" PostId="4833" Score="0" Text="if the code is non-trivial, note that BY-SA 3.0 can be included in BY-SA 4.0 which can be included in GPL 3.0 or later" CreationDate="2018-04-08T12:36:22.637" UserId="269" />
  <row Id="8565" PostId="4833" Score="0" Text="@d3vid while 3.0 is compatible with 4.0 (and all future versions), I don't think that means you can use 3.0-licensed code as if  it were licensed with 4.0" CreationDate="2018-04-08T13:19:27.773" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="8567" PostId="4833" Score="0" Text="I believe you can include it in an adapted work: https://opensource.stackexchange.com/a/2213 and https://opensource.stackexchange.com/a/4005" CreationDate="2018-04-08T13:28:44.273" UserId="269" />
  <row Id="8568" PostId="4837" Score="0" Text="some flaw in replication mecanism of SE (I forgot the name) ?" CreationDate="2018-04-10T09:20:09.590" UserId="79818" />
  <row Id="8569" PostId="4837" Score="0" Text="It’s probably [caching](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/69172/307535)? I don’t know, but I wonder if they started typing their answer before the closure, creating a saved draft that counted as being before the cutoff in order to allow posting?" CreationDate="2018-04-10T10:26:11.107" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8570" PostId="4837" Score="4" Text="Possible MSE reference: https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/79434/307535" CreationDate="2018-04-10T10:33:06.110" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8571" PostId="4837" Score="0" Text="Also: https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/40962/307535" CreationDate="2018-04-10T10:37:22.340" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8572" PostId="4444" Score="1" Text="Well, this explains why I found nothing relevant while searching for `rm &quot;cannot remove&quot; &quot;is a directory&quot;`, but after I posted [this question](https://unix.stackexchange.com/q/436918/108618) it turned out to be a duplicate of [this one](https://unix.stackexchange.com/q/29769/108618). My original search *should* have found the other question and prevent me from posting a duplicate." CreationDate="2018-04-11T05:47:29.177" UserId="108618" />
  <row Id="8573" PostId="4840" Score="2" Text="My best guess is that someone had temporarily up-voted one of your answers, during which the privilege was awarded, and they later retracted their up-vote. I don't have any evidence behind this assumption at all, though!" CreationDate="2018-04-11T12:59:15.923" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8574" PostId="4840" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller I also don't see any evidence of that.  Tell you what, upvote this question, then wait a minute or two, then retract that, and we'll see if I get another notice." CreationDate="2018-04-11T13:12:02.767" UserId="190964" />
  <row Id="8575" PostId="4840" Score="2" Text="@DarkMatter upvotes on meta don't give rep" CreationDate="2018-04-11T13:24:16.287" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="8576" PostId="4840" Score="0" Text="The main meta site has this covered as well - https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/154830/why-arent-awarded-badges-removed-if-the-question-is-deleted/154832#154832." CreationDate="2018-04-12T01:30:34.550" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="8577" PostId="4206" Score="0" Text="See also https://academia.stackexchange.com/a/108136/65097 ." CreationDate="2018-04-14T11:18:01.173" UserId="5132" />
  <row Id="8578" PostId="4842" Score="0" Text="Without knowing the flag activity, this may help: https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/105395/307535" CreationDate="2018-04-15T13:39:48.280" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8579" PostId="4694" Score="0" Text="@rjt: `lcx` was the typo, yes. `lxc` is the proper acronym for LinuX Containers (hence LXC)." CreationDate="2018-04-16T21:37:43.967" UserId="5462" />
  <row Id="8580" PostId="4843" Score="0" Text="I was read the same before flagging but in this way &quot;move other files you know thier name to another directory then delete the directory with weird files name in&quot; which this may or may not the one OP already stated in his question as a alternative solution, but really that answer doesn't answer to the question. maybe if I left a comment it was not declined, thanks in advance for the feedback" CreationDate="2018-04-17T05:38:16.130" UserId="72456" />
  <row Id="8581" PostId="4843" Score="1" Text="@αғsнιη Oh! You're right, I didn't notice that the asker had already suggested that option. That does make it not an answer, my mistake" CreationDate="2018-04-17T14:45:39.297" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="8582" PostId="4844" Score="0" Text="Linking in some historical related posts: https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/q/2816/117549 and https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/q/15/117549" CreationDate="2018-04-27T02:20:09.353" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8583" PostId="4754" Score="0" Text="Nice that everyone agreed, but now we need someone allowed to actually do it ..." CreationDate="2018-04-27T10:48:30.963" UserId="216004" />
  <row Id="8584" PostId="4844" Score="5" Text="Actually, `/macos` and `/osx` should be synonyms for `darwin` under the definitions on the On Topic page." CreationDate="2018-04-28T17:31:37.720" UserId="105926" />
  <row Id="8585" PostId="4075" Score="0" Text="[Another update](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/309349/left-nav-responsive-design-and-theming-next-steps) indicating that Badges are &quot;status-planned&quot;..." CreationDate="2018-05-01T00:04:24.837" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8586" PostId="4844" Score="5" Text="fd0: I see what you mean, but at the same time it is possible to run Darwin without the whole normal OS X userland... E.g., puredarwin, or in the old days opendarwin. These would have a &quot;normal&quot; X server (xorg) and a much more traditional Unix-y feel, since they lack the OS X secret sauce (like cocoa). Heck, you might even be able to install CDE on them and have it work properly. I don't think 'darwin' really is 100% the same as OS X/Mac OS from a pedantic standpoint." CreationDate="2018-05-01T04:25:26.977" UserId="78861" />
  <row Id="8587" PostId="4847" Score="1" Text="I'm not sure I understand. We expect all information needed to understand a question to be in the body of the question, yes. Is that what you mean? That does include code. Posting here with a link to your github or whatever and &quot;please look at my code&quot; would not be considered acceptable." CreationDate="2018-05-01T13:35:42.847" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="8588" PostId="4847" Score="0" Text="@terdon Yes, that is what I mean. I saw a question today that only links to a github account. I will comment on it." CreationDate="2018-05-01T13:37:07.980" UserId="3887" />
  <row Id="8589" PostId="4849" Score="1" Text="I migrated it for you." CreationDate="2018-05-02T11:56:58.470" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="8590" PostId="4791" Score="1" Text="Decades ago I taught myself everything mainly using `man` pages, simply because I had no one to ask, the web wasn't really useful back then and I didn't yet discover the usenet. Thus, nowadays, when I see some hungry people at the lake waiting for a fish to jump into their open mouth, I'm tempted to answer: You better go through the same fishing school like I did. But I don't do it, because I know, fishing has changed so much since then, the fish have changed, the lake has changed. Yes, teach them how to fish, but don't just blame them for not even having a stick or a hook!" CreationDate="2018-05-02T15:23:20.403" UserId="216004" />
  <row Id="8591" PostId="4846" Score="1" Text="Yes, `macos` should be the main tag, the other's should be synonyms for that tag." CreationDate="2018-05-03T08:53:15.770" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="8592" PostId="4852" Score="4" Text="It can also happen that a post turns up on LQ but deserves to be upvoted ;-)." CreationDate="2018-05-03T17:50:06.857" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="8593" PostId="4852" Score="1" Text="Found some MSE history: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/228738/add-downvote-option-to-low-quality-review-queue-list-of-potential-actions" CreationDate="2018-05-03T18:07:11.313" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8594" PostId="4852" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller:  That is an interesting take on it but I still think it would benefit the LQ queue in the same way it does the First Posts and Late Answers queues." CreationDate="2018-05-03T18:23:12.113" UserId="237982" />
  <row Id="8595" PostId="1179" Score="1" Text="On usenet the preferred way to handle a topic that covered several newsgroups was to multipost. Same article posted simultaneously into the different groups. By default, replies would also go to that same full set of newsgroups. Multiposting != crossposting, which was indeed strongly discouraged." CreationDate="2018-05-04T15:43:51.410" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="8596" PostId="4850" Score="2" Text="Is macos-classic really a 'unix', though? I mean, maybe if you're using A/UX..." CreationDate="2018-05-04T18:27:24.333" UserId="78861" />
  <row Id="8597" PostId="4850" Score="2" Text="No, in fact, macOS classic is not a Unix.  It has no familial relationship to Unix, few or none of the Unix user interfaces, and little or none of the Unix API." CreationDate="2018-05-06T19:16:09.363" UserId="289373" />
  <row Id="8598" PostId="4854" Score="10" Text="I Think Capitalizing Every Word In a Sentence Is A Horrible Idea. Let English be English and let UNIX commands be UNIX commands." CreationDate="2018-05-07T20:03:53.237" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8599" PostId="4854" Score="1" Text="relating an old [/ask question thread](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4216/117549)" CreationDate="2018-05-07T20:04:47.937" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8600" PostId="4856" Score="1" Text="You should re-post the question and add your answer as a new post. In its actual state, your &quot;question&quot; is going to be closed." CreationDate="2018-05-08T08:38:36.423" UserId="34039" />
  <row Id="8601" PostId="4853" Score="6" Text="Agree, voted to reopen. I don't see how this “went away on its own”." CreationDate="2018-05-08T12:04:12.580" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="8602" PostId="4859" Score="1" Text="@Sabrina Here's how to do it: 1) Post a question copying or paraphrasing the original question you linked. 2) Post an answer containing the text you posted here originally. 3) Accept your answer so that readers will know it's a problem that has been solved. 4) Enjoy the upvotes :)" CreationDate="2018-05-08T12:48:24.363" UserId="34039" />
  <row Id="8603" PostId="4852" Score="0" Text="@StephenKitt Like this one: https://unix.stackexchange.com/review/low-quality-posts/243170  :)" CreationDate="2018-05-08T13:21:32.637" UserId="22812" />
  <row Id="8604" PostId="4852" Score="0" Text="@Anthony LOL indeed!" CreationDate="2018-05-08T13:27:55.480" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="8605" PostId="4853" Score="1" Text="Thanks, it's been re-opened now. AFAIR this was closed *after* the answer was posted... I guess otherwise the answer couldn't have been posted :-). So at the time I didn't want to just  vote to re-open: it would have been edit-warring. Thoughts about why this can happen in the first place - and whether I needed to spend so many words to achieve this remedy - would be welcome, in the spirit of [stackoverflow.blog / stack-overflow-isnt-very-welcoming-its-time-for-that-to-change](https://stackoverflow.blog/2018/04/26/stack-overflow-isnt-very-welcoming-its-time-for-that-to-change/)" CreationDate="2018-05-08T13:41:45.560" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="8607" PostId="4858" Score="0" Text="StackExchange probably has closer ties to scientific publications than newspapers." CreationDate="2018-05-09T04:39:41.460" UserId="37237" />
  <row Id="8617" PostId="4853" Score="0" Text="ISTM that this close reason is greatly over-used; that it is used whenever the OP solves the problem, no matter how complicated and non-obvious the solution is." CreationDate="2018-05-11T06:14:28.490" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="8618" PostId="4853" Score="0" Text="Is a vote to re-open edit warring? Is there a meta question about that?" CreationDate="2018-05-11T09:49:07.567" UserId="30190" />
  <row Id="8619" PostId="4853" Score="1" Text="@dcorking I was talking about what I personally felt comfortable doing. I haven't seen a meta on it, and I don't remember being told so by anyone. Specifically, this is about voting to re-open when the close decision has been made in error. It's not re-opening because the question has been edited with an improvement. It would feel like warring to me because there's no reason the closers shouldn't vote the same way again." CreationDate="2018-05-11T10:27:10.127" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="8620" PostId="4853" Score="0" Text="I didn't see how adding a comment could help, because this was obvious from the posted answer already. Hence my followup comment, to ask if I needed _quite_ so much effort to resolve this." CreationDate="2018-05-11T10:27:53.230" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="8621" PostId="4853" Score="0" Text="I think the answer to my followup is that the answer post-dated *some* of the close votes, so it might have been worth pointing to it in a comment &amp; pressing the button to vote for re-open." CreationDate="2018-05-11T10:30:47.730" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="8622" PostId="4862" Score="0" Text="The container I'm trying to run is from an image published in the default docker registry with all the files packed inside. When I tried to run it in a different linux distro it worked. Not sure what's going on here though. I've done a lot of research and salient point analysis before asking this question. The problem may not be in the container image, it may be with some configuration in the Alpine linux disto which is what I was trying to uncover." CreationDate="2018-05-13T10:38:46.173" UserId="287963" />
  <row Id="8623" PostId="4861" Score="5" Text="I just edited it - and one thing from that edit should stand out: we'd like to know what you're trying to do *before* you dump a ton of system information on us. If I have to read half of a long question just to even figure out what you're trying to do, I'd consider that a poor question." CreationDate="2018-05-13T15:18:21.173" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="8624" PostId="4862" Score="11" Text="My point is that the research you've done should be included in the quesion - as should the information that the image works in other distros." CreationDate="2018-05-14T07:52:59.660" UserId="21109" />
  <row Id="8625" PostId="4853" Score="1" Text="@G-man - it probably is, but I think in many of those cases it should be closed in some fashion. In particular, without a meaningful answer from the OP, this close reason can be the closest meaningful option when no one except the OP could likely provide a meaningful answer." CreationDate="2018-05-15T17:51:45.700" UserId="283159" />
  <row Id="8626" PostId="4863" Score="5" Text="The old name definitely needs to be kept as a synonym, and possibly should still be the primary name for a while. Tags names need to reflect actual usage (as long as there's no ambiguity), not necessarily official terminology." CreationDate="2018-05-17T16:05:56.710" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="8628" PostId="4865" Score="1" Text="I don't have time to post an answer now (I'll try to tomorrow) but at first glance, I'd say here is more likely than SU. I'm not even 100% sure it would be on topic on SU (it might be, I'm just not sure)." CreationDate="2018-05-20T23:07:17.107" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="8629" PostId="4862" Score="0" Text="@JennyD As a minor counter-point to _&quot;the research you've done should be included in the quesion&quot;_ part, I've often seen my questions get ignored b/c, in attempts to add what you've done to avoid downvotes, people just see &quot;This is too long; I'm out&quot; and so, you may not get a downvote, but you don't get help either." CreationDate="2018-05-21T22:33:03.933" UserId="136944" />
  <row Id="8630" PostId="4862" Score="0" Text="@ray how do you know that’s how people react to such questions?" CreationDate="2018-05-23T15:42:58.150" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="8631" PostId="4862" Score="0" Text="@StephenKitt As I stated in the comment itself, _&quot;I've often seen my questions&quot;_ go through it. I've had meta discussions about it where people pointed out they thought there was too much info in the post, and so on. Yet, when I've tried to write shorter ones they sometimes get reqs for clarification in comments (that I would've normally addressed before publishing the post) and some simply dv and move on." CreationDate="2018-05-23T16:11:05.230" UserId="136944" />
  <row Id="8632" PostId="4862" Score="0" Text="@ray I’d seen the part about this happening to your questions, but that doesn’t imply that people had actually told you their reasons; thanks for the info. I do agree that longer questions tend to get less attention. I get the impression though that the *deciding* factor in a question’s popularity is its title — a detailed question with a catchy title will often do better than a short question with an unremarkable title (on similar topics)." CreationDate="2018-05-23T18:02:51.040" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="8633" PostId="4862" Score="0" Text="@StephenKitt _&quot;that doesn't imply [they] actually told you their reasons&quot;_ That seems to assume that those who did must've lied. While you may _generally_ be right w.r.t. popularity, I've also seen very poorly worded questions get attention, too. I think it's more likely that people will pay attention to a question if they _think_ it's an easy one to address. In any case, we're going off-topic, so I digress." CreationDate="2018-05-23T18:41:23.777" UserId="136944" />
  <row Id="8634" PostId="4862" Score="0" Text="@ray I wasn’t implying that anyone was lying, I was just saying that nothing in your initial comment suggested (to me) that anyone had explicitly told you what their reasons were, that’s all." CreationDate="2018-05-23T18:54:26.017" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="8635" PostId="4862" Score="0" Text="@StephenKitt Oh, I see. Since you had said that after I mentioned I had had meta discussions about it, I thought you were trying to say something else. I must've misunderstood that part. Sorry about that." CreationDate="2018-05-23T18:56:39.520" UserId="136944" />
  <row Id="8636" PostId="4870" Score="0" Text="I guess the idea is not to have one question for &quot;every possible&quot; typo." CreationDate="2018-05-25T18:33:04.963" UserId="32191" />
  <row Id="8637" PostId="4871" Score="0" Text="I could agree on the phrasing, my feeling is that I often find question close from google because i use the same terms as in the question. So it's either me not looking for the right answer either the question use by the OP which was confusing. Couldn't we agree somehow to try to rephrase question so it's obvious it's a typo though I understand it would be hard to maintain" CreationDate="2018-05-29T08:34:00.857" UserId="53092" />
  <row Id="8638" PostId="4873" Score="0" Text="Most of the time, when programming, the code needs to work on many systems, not just on current build host." CreationDate="2018-06-01T17:23:58.583" UserId="33724" />
  <row Id="8639" PostId="4873" Score="0" Text="@hyde .. which is when you refer to the POSIX interface documentation, or specify the specific version of a library that your code is supposed to work with (which is installed on the build system). Referring to a random manual on the Internet might get you an obsolete version's manual." CreationDate="2018-06-01T17:27:06.057" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="8640" PostId="4872" Score="2" Text="See also discussion at https://www.mail-archive.com/austin-group-l@opengroup.org/msg00487.html" CreationDate="2018-06-01T22:53:26.563" UserId="22565" />
  <row Id="8641" PostId="3710" Score="2" Text="I avoid refering to `linux.die.net`, because the pages hosted there appear to be for quite old versions (2010?). More recently added features aren't described by old man pages." CreationDate="2018-06-02T05:59:54.890" UserId="239817" />
  <row Id="8642" PostId="4871" Score="1" Text="I almost agree with this, except that &quot;typos&quot; itself breaks down into two *completely* distinct categories: (1) typos where the person did not type the exact sequence of symbols they intended to type, and (2) typos where the person didn't realize that a small difference in symbols was actually important, such as using `if [&quot;$a&quot; -gt 3]` in bash.  The difference is that answering the second category of &quot;typo&quot; **IS** likely to help future readers." CreationDate="2018-06-04T05:43:31.467" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="8643" PostId="4879" Score="0" Text="OK I'll try to pay more attention to comment next time" CreationDate="2018-06-04T11:05:45.230" UserId="53092" />
  <row Id="8644" PostId="4875" Score="0" Text="See my answer to verify that your fear is not reasoned. The standard does not change in that way." CreationDate="2018-06-05T14:20:23.773" UserId="120884" />
  <row Id="8645" PostId="4872" Score="0" Text="Your `for i; do cmd ...; done` example is not a real problem as all shells except the Bourne Shell did accept that code in 2013 when the bugreport has been accepted." CreationDate="2018-06-05T14:32:12.093" UserId="120884" />
  <row Id="8646" PostId="4875" Score="2" Text="@schily, compare http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799.2013edition/basedefs/V1_chap04.html#tag_04_12 with http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799.2016edition/basedefs/V1_chap04.html#tag_04_12 . That's the example discussed in  Stéphane's link on the comment to Kusalananda's post." CreationDate="2018-06-05T14:33:21.217" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="8647" PostId="4875" Score="2" Text="OK, now I see the problem, the different numbering. I was not aware that we did ever changed the numbering. So it may not be resolvable since it would be nice not to see old buggy text (see my exit()/waitid() example)." CreationDate="2018-06-05T14:35:56.383" UserId="120884" />
  <row Id="8648" PostId="4857" Score="0" Text="I'm quite surprised, I think it does answer the question. Both aspects of the edited question. The &quot;only&quot; problem I see with the answer is that it's unreliable and very likely wrong (with our geniuses not even managing to point out the unreliability). Refer https://lwn.net/Articles/609847/ ... so there's a fairly cromulent point there in the second part of the original question.  I don't think you've got the sequence right either. The answer was posted at 2:50 Dec 2, the question was closed at 8:17 Dec 2." CreationDate="2018-06-05T18:19:52.620" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="8649" PostId="4859" Score="0" Text="I have down-voted this because I don't understand why the existing answer is not considered to answer the updated question. The &quot;only&quot; problem I see with the answer is that it's unreliable and very likely wrong (with our geniuses not even managing to point out the unreliability part). Refer https://lwn.net/Articles/609847 .  I tried a quick search and didn't find an existing QA explaining this, it seems a pity to lose the opportunity." CreationDate="2018-06-05T18:36:58.153" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="8650" PostId="4859" Score="0" Text="@sourcejedi Well, ok, if you stare at the wording I suppose you could say it _claims_ to answer the edited question, since it states “It will give you a list of services supported by tcp wrapper”. But this is wrong: `/etc/hosts.allow` can at best give a list of services that tcpwrapper will act on if the service supports it. So it doesn't actually answer the question “How do I find out if sshd supports tcp wrapper”. If you think you have an interesting answer to contribute, you'd be better off [asking your own question](https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/on-topic)." CreationDate="2018-06-05T22:21:20.507" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="8651" PostId="4876" Score="4" Text="This is nice, but it's an *awful* lot more work to do it this way." CreationDate="2018-06-08T01:02:24.267" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="8652" PostId="4881" Score="0" Text="When I fetch the source of the original post, I see special characters which are not present in the source of Edit #3. In browser (both Chromium and Chrome) they display as boxes. Copy &amp; pasting the original source into Sublime (graphical text editor) yields &lt;0x1b&gt;. `curl`-ing the source and performing a `hexdump`, the extra characters again appear as 1b. These don't display in your side-by-side markdown, but they do display in mine (as boxes). Finally, my side-by-side markdown contains more differences than yours (there is at least one 'box' character on each line in the pasted codeblocks." CreationDate="2018-06-08T12:49:29.903" UserId="230769" />
  <row Id="8653" PostId="4882" Score="0" Text="OK, my bad, I see them now when I _edit_ the old revision. I missed them earlier as they were removed when pasting before doing the diff." CreationDate="2018-06-08T16:07:40.017" UserId="22565" />
  <row Id="8654" PostId="4882" Score="0" Text="At this point, should I remove the &quot;bug&quot; tag, or delete the  question?" CreationDate="2018-06-08T16:08:40.007" UserId="22565" />
  <row Id="8655" PostId="4857" Score="0" Text="(1) Anthony Geoghegan: While I agree that Sabrina has described and documented [her question](https://unix.stackexchange.com/q/441535/23408) clearly and coherently, I see no evidence that she has “made the effort to research and solve the problem” herself.   (2) Well, of course the [How to disable ssh remote login using tcp wrapper](https://unix.stackexchange.com/q/246709/23408) question wasn’t answered after it was closed — that would be impossible (unless the question was closed, re-opened, and closed again, which it wasn’t).   It was answered, then closed, and then edited." CreationDate="2018-06-08T23:38:40.230" UserId="23408" />
  <row Id="8656" PostId="4884" Score="1" Text="I’d invite you to check out the discussion side of U&amp;L: meta.unix.stackexchange.com" CreationDate="2018-06-10T16:38:46.343" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8657" PostId="4884" Score="3" Text="Also https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/10583/307535" CreationDate="2018-06-10T16:41:34.797" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8658" PostId="4882" Score="0" Text="@StéphaneChazelas - I'd delete the question." CreationDate="2018-06-11T02:49:55.293" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="8659" PostId="4887" Score="1" Text="I did believe that SE was stripping control characters anyway as that can be abused (when copy-pasting into terminals that unlike mine don't strip them, see [How can I protect myself from this kind of clipboard abuse?](//security.stackexchange.com/q/39118)). Maybe  they only started doing it recently (and that article was old before you started editing it)." CreationDate="2018-06-11T15:28:42.520" UserId="22565" />
  <row Id="8660" PostId="4887" Score="0" Text="@StéphaneChazelas  Of course. I should have remembered that from posting [this answer](https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/355620/22812) to [Is Vim immune to copy-paste attack?](https://unix.stackexchange.com/q/355610/22812) just over a year ago. It's great that SE strip out the control characters from posts." CreationDate="2018-06-11T15:57:10.343" UserId="22812" />
  <row Id="8663" PostId="4889" Score="1" Text="especially since there already was one proper answer the other one could have been added to..." CreationDate="2018-06-15T10:15:13.467" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="8665" PostId="4888" Score="1" Text="We strive to have complete and tested answers on this site. If you want to do a quick tip, and not take the time to write up a fully baked answer, and have sufficient rep, I'd suggest leaving a comment, or circle back on it when you have enough time to do so." CreationDate="2018-06-16T22:12:59.397" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="8666" PostId="4397" Score="2" Text="Thanks. [Is doas really OpenBSDs replacement for sudo?](https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/237230/674)" CreationDate="2018-06-17T15:47:50.600" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="8667" PostId="4883" Score="1" Text="Cheers! ........" CreationDate="2018-06-17T15:48:41.647" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="8668" PostId="4067" Score="0" Text="@Scott, Re *&quot;what would that accomplish other than shame the user?&quot;*:  it would allow pedagogical correlation, which might when aggregated by tags help show how to improve SE in general.  And show users prone to a certain kind of confusion that they're not alone." CreationDate="2018-06-17T15:55:47.107" UserId="165517" />
  <row Id="8669" PostId="4397" Score="2" Text="@Tim Yes, very much so. https://xkcd.com/1343/  The OpenBSD developers were concerned that `sudo` had become too big and too difficult to configure safely.  `doas` is a _much_ simpler tool. It's [configuration manual](http://man.openbsd.org/doas.conf) is tiny." CreationDate="2018-06-17T17:28:02.393" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="8670" PostId="4890" Score="2" Text="based on https://clearlinux.org/documentation/clear-linux/concepts/swupd-about#reference, it seems sufficiently unique to warrant its own audience in my opinion." CreationDate="2018-06-17T23:49:55.950" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8671" PostId="4890" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller yes, because Intel made the distro from scratch without basing on any other distros" CreationDate="2018-06-18T05:36:18.333" UserId="44425" />
  <row Id="8672" PostId="4892" Score="1" Text="Add a tag wiki or excerpt too!" CreationDate="2018-06-20T20:08:14.523" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="8673" PostId="4892" Score="0" Text="@muru It's self-explanatory." CreationDate="2018-06-20T20:40:34.437" UserDisplayName="user147505" />
  <row Id="8674" PostId="4892" Score="2" Text="to you and me, maybe. Probably not to a random new user who starts typing clear in the tag box because they want to clear something related to Linux." CreationDate="2018-06-20T21:23:48.327" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="8675" PostId="4892" Score="0" Text="@muru Waiting for review." CreationDate="2018-06-20T21:53:22.620" UserDisplayName="user147505" />
  <row Id="8676" PostId="4893" Score="2" Text="You don't reply: it is a wiki, not a forum. Edit your question with the additional information people are asking for." CreationDate="2018-06-26T08:19:47.227" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="8677" PostId="4893" Score="7" Text="You should be able to comment on answers to your own question, with the same user account you asked the question with. But it seems you have two accounts now, and not enough rep to comment on the other account's question. You may want to see https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/merging-accounts" CreationDate="2018-06-26T08:22:23.633" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="8678" PostId="4894" Score="0" Text="The OP cannot comment since they don't have enough reputation, and they are (were) logged in as a different user to the one that asked the original question." CreationDate="2018-06-26T08:35:26.820" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="8679" PostId="4894" Score="0" Text="Oh that's true..." CreationDate="2018-06-26T08:38:40.880" UserId="250201" />
  <row Id="8681" PostId="4899" Score="0" Text="Seems reasonable; couldn’t that question still be migrated from SU to SO? Assuming the asker hasn’t by then lost track of it." CreationDate="2018-07-05T19:29:33.400" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8682" PostId="4899" Score="0" Text="I would imagine it could still be migrated from SU to SO, but that would probably have to be approved by SU users who have the privilege to approve migrations.  I'm not very active on SU so I have no idea if that's plausible or not according to their rules." CreationDate="2018-07-05T19:56:27.727" UserId="34505" />
  <row Id="8683" PostId="4900" Score="0" Text="The problem is that there is so much overlap between sites like U&amp;L, SU, and SO, such that there isn't necessarily only one place where questions like this are on topic. I doubt that all overlap will ever be eliminated.  Therefore, I believe the onus is on the migrator to choose the best destination when there are multiple candidate destination sites where a question could be on topic. In this case I think the destination was poorly chosen even though technically the question is on topic for the chosen destination site." CreationDate="2018-07-06T06:30:07.667" UserId="34505" />
  <row Id="8684" PostId="4900" Score="1" Text="@jayhendren I didn't say it would be on-topic on only on place. The point is to ask the communities concerned what would be on-topic where, instead of unilaterally deciding for them and playing migration-pass-the-buck. See, for example, https://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/271279/2072269 posted on MSO, with an answer from an SF mod." CreationDate="2018-07-06T06:43:31.000" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="8685" PostId="4900" Score="0" Text="I guess I don't understand.  I'm interpreting your position as: *by asking other the communities on other sites, we can come away with a decision as to which site is canonical for a particular topic.*  Am I misunderstanding?  If not, then I don't think that is likely to ever happen.  There is just too much overlap.  There are at least 5 SE network sites where I've seen Jenkins questions receive attention, and I don't think that's likely to change." CreationDate="2018-07-06T07:19:39.123" UserId="34505" />
  <row Id="8686" PostId="4900" Score="0" Text="That being said, I still think it's worthwhile to extend the discussion to SU and SO and other sites with active Jenkins tags.  I'm just skeptical that this will be fruitful." CreationDate="2018-07-06T07:22:33.887" UserId="34505" />
  <row Id="8687" PostId="4900" Score="0" Text="@jayhendren if, after asking there, we don't get any consensus, sure, we'd be within rights to decide for ourselves which site would be most suitable. But not without asking them first." CreationDate="2018-07-06T07:25:50.860" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="8691" PostId="4898" Score="2" Text="Yes, especially to leaving off &quot;EDIT&quot; and &quot;UPDATED&quot;. That's just noise to anyone who encounters the answer later." CreationDate="2018-07-08T13:36:06.163" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="8693" PostId="4902" Score="9" Text="This is going to be rough 8-)" CreationDate="2018-07-09T20:37:22.233" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="8695" PostId="4902" Score="8" Text="I honestly am not seeing major changes compared to the site templates I am using now? hmmm Nevertheless, why so much real screen estate wasted, especially on the right side?" CreationDate="2018-07-10T00:27:00.223" UserId="138261" />
  <row Id="8696" PostId="4904" Score="7" Text="Yes, having the left hand panel collapsible would be nice." CreationDate="2018-07-10T17:00:07.457" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="8698" PostId="4905" Score="0" Text="For the font problem, even though U&amp;L isn't mentioned in https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/311033/270345, I'd think that would fix the H2 font weirdness." CreationDate="2018-07-11T00:45:39.533" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="8699" PostId="4902" Score="1" Text="@RuiFRibeiro,  [Left nav, responsive design, and theming next steps](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/309349/left-nav-responsive-design-and-theming-next-steps) page has some response on this point." CreationDate="2018-07-12T07:37:30.993" UserId="2634" />
  <row Id="8700" PostId="4904" Score="2" Text="According to [Left nav, responsive design, and theming next steps](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/309349/left-nav-responsive-design-and-theming-next-steps) page, it'd be collapsible." CreationDate="2018-07-12T07:38:23.407" UserId="2634" />
  <row Id="8701" PostId="4902" Score="1" Text="@andcoz I actually do not mind  that in my personal Mac laptop that I use around 2500x1600. In my corporate PC with a meager 1920x1080, I would benefit from having a much larger text column. In the latter case, the left side  is a significant real estate of the screen and seems to be wasted (empty)" CreationDate="2018-07-12T07:45:12.930" UserId="138261" />
  <row Id="8702" PostId="4902" Score="2" Text="Is it just me, or are the [raspberrypi.se.com](https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com) &quot;Honda&quot; and [ethereum.se.com](https://ethereum.stackexchange.com) &quot;Yugo&quot; sites themed **identically** save for the color scheme? Is that a recent change, since that original post, that they've been brought in sync? Or am I missing some way that the rPi site has a marginally more lavish theme? (That C̶a̶d̶d̶y̶ [Photography SE](https://photo.stackexchange.com) suuure do look snazzy, though.)" CreationDate="2018-07-12T13:34:42.677" UserId="42315" />
  <row Id="8703" PostId="4904" Score="1" Text="Myself, I just added a Userstyle in Stylus that blocks the sidebar, which applies to stackoverflow now, and all stackexchange sites preemptively. (The sidebar does, at least, use well-defined semantic markup, rendering it easily styled.) I just [published to userstyles.org](https://userstyles.org/styles/162446/stack-exchange-sites-hide-left-nav) if anyone wants to piggyback on my 5 minutes' worth of effort, instead of expending two minutes of your own to duplicate my work." CreationDate="2018-07-12T13:58:06.697" UserId="42315" />
  <row Id="8704" PostId="4898" Score="0" Text="Not least because you would then have &quot;EDIT:  Did a thing&quot; immediately followed by a hot-linked &quot;Edited by Bob at `$time`&quot;." CreationDate="2018-07-12T15:23:35.797" UserId="20246" />
  <row Id="8705" PostId="4902" Score="5" Text="Is U&amp;L a Cadillac, Honda, or a Yugo? (That’s a sentence I could never have predicted)" CreationDate="2018-07-12T21:29:05.053" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8706" PostId="4791" Score="0" Text="the `tar` *manpage* is, for gnu, some hundred or more pages, for posix, an entire file-system format specification." CreationDate="2018-07-17T21:39:16.273" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="8707" PostId="4904" Score="4" Text="You can hide the left nav via a global preference. Once you hide it on one site it is hidden on all." CreationDate="2018-07-17T22:11:15.003" UserId="298862" />
  <row Id="8708" PostId="4904" Score="0" Text="@JoeFriend That's good to hear. Thanks for the clarification." CreationDate="2018-07-18T08:16:58.727" UserId="22812" />
  <row Id="8709" PostId="4908" Score="1" Text="Makes sense to me, I'll reopen it." CreationDate="2018-07-21T15:41:00.007" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="8710" PostId="4906" Score="2" Text="I actually love the centered title and the blue nav bar, and I didn't even realize it.  So irritating; this is change just for the sake of change.  :(" CreationDate="2018-07-25T00:42:52.303" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="8711" PostId="4902" Score="0" Text="So is the change applied at this point or am I just really bad at seeing differences?" CreationDate="2018-07-26T16:40:00.507" UserId="204346" />
  <row Id="8714" PostId="4917" Score="0" Text="Possible dup - https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/4091/is-linux-a-unix" CreationDate="2018-07-30T13:49:29.687" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="8715" PostId="4917" Score="1" Text="should this be a meta question instead?" CreationDate="2018-07-30T13:52:22.657" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8716" PostId="4917" Score="4" Text="Note that Unix is family of complete operating systems, while Linux is the kernel (a small though essential part of an operating system) found in a number of Unix-like and non-Unix-like operating systems, so it makes little sense to use them in the same sentence. That's only why _Unix &amp; Linux_ is quite confusing as the name of a SE site." CreationDate="2018-07-30T13:52:31.943" UserId="22565" />
  <row Id="8721" PostId="4918" Score="1" Text="Really good observation. Of course they are not the same, but they are similar. Unfortunately, mentioning Unix and Linux together in the same sentence can sometimes be like stepping into a political minefield." CreationDate="2018-07-30T14:23:57.747" UserId="157620" />
  <row Id="8722" PostId="4919" Score="1" Text="To further add a complication, I question why BSD isn't in the title." CreationDate="2018-07-30T13:52:25.750" UserId="3887" />
  <row Id="8723" PostId="4919" Score="0" Text="@Rob - you meant the title of the site, not the Q? I took your comment to mean the latter." CreationDate="2018-07-30T14:02:00.163" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="8724" PostId="4919" Score="1" Text="Yes, I meant the title of the site." CreationDate="2018-07-30T14:02:37.440" UserId="3887" />
  <row Id="8725" PostId="4919" Score="2" Text="I like the `Unix-like` word." CreationDate="2018-07-30T14:20:40.423" UserId="157620" />
  <row Id="8726" PostId="4917" Score="1" Text="Possible duplicate of [Euphemisms for unix](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/461/euphemisms-for-unix)" CreationDate="2018-08-01T11:17:17.480" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="8728" PostId="4917" Score="0" Text="There are various OS-es and &quot;OS standards&quot;, with partial overlapping. The lack of uniqueness was always the greatest weakness and the greatest strength of the.... unixes. What you really want to hear, is most likely: POSIX." CreationDate="2018-08-01T16:16:44.353" UserId="52236" />
  <row Id="8732" PostId="4917" Score="1" Text="@Rob - my comment was from before it was migrated, I'll delete it now that it's been migrated to meta. I believe one of the other mods migrated it, seems better over here, IMO." CreationDate="2018-08-04T15:54:24.450" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="8733" PostId="354" Score="0" Text="This is something I did not notice. Clicking there always gives the feeling that one is actually going to vote for closing the question. Hence people will not try as they are not sure they can back out. And I have been on SE for 5 years, rather active in some areas, but not much of a closer (so many people seem happy to do it)." CreationDate="2018-08-06T14:22:10.547" UserId="38442" />
  <row Id="8734" PostId="3880" Score="0" Text="Ah the Z80, that was my favorite instruction set." CreationDate="2018-08-08T09:38:57.640" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="8735" PostId="3880" Score="1" Text="@slm I have to complement this... one of those days. Moved out of academia last year. The Z80 was a nice hobby." CreationDate="2018-08-08T09:55:20.460" UserId="138261" />
  <row Id="8736" PostId="3880" Score="1" Text="I originally missed your addition, glad you added it. Glad to see others added theirs." CreationDate="2018-08-08T09:56:22.880" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="8737" PostId="3880" Score="0" Text="@slm added a few tidbits about the current situation." CreationDate="2018-08-08T11:25:06.483" UserId="138261" />
  <row Id="8740" PostId="4883" Score="0" Text="using a 32-bit distro nowadays is not good, since you'll lag behind on security updates. Moreover many apps have abandoned the 32-bit version. x86_64 has been there for more than a decade and pretty much any x86 CPUs you can find in the last decade are 64-bit compatible" CreationDate="2018-08-09T06:04:26.013" UserId="44425" />
  <row Id="8741" PostId="4923" Score="2" Text="I seem to find the [All Questions](https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions?sort=newest) page h3 headers (each question's link and title) to be less readable. Did it change size or boldness? I suppose it was always a serif font, but I find the sans-serif titles on the equivalent askubuntu page to be much easier to read. Perhaps it is just some setting I have in my browser or an extension that I need to review  (I'm using &quot;Dark Reader&quot; to help with contrast)." CreationDate="2018-08-09T17:20:04.930" UserId="119298" />
  <row Id="8742" PostId="4928" Score="0" Text="The defaults for the questions that show on the home page are unchanged from the previous design." CreationDate="2018-08-09T21:32:45.680" UserId="298862" />
  <row Id="8743" PostId="4928" Score="0" Text="@JoeFriend Some thing change then, because I used to open by default in the new questions, maybe because of browser names cache then. But I get your point." CreationDate="2018-08-09T21:33:59.757" UserId="138261" />
  <row Id="8744" PostId="4927" Score="1" Text="I think that if you read https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/312781/custom-question-lists-finding-questions-you-can-answer you'll see we are currently building something to address at least part of your requests" CreationDate="2018-08-09T21:36:57.513" UserId="298862" />
  <row Id="8745" PostId="4929" Score="3" Text="I blacklisted it with adblocking." CreationDate="2018-08-10T09:20:14.290" UserId="138261" />
  <row Id="8746" PostId="4925" Score="1" Text="Never had any flickering problem in two years, in OS/X, Windows, Mac, Linux, iPhone and Android. (no, the downvote is not mine)" CreationDate="2018-08-10T09:22:45.963" UserId="138261" />
  <row Id="8747" PostId="4925" Score="0" Text="@RuiFRibeiro I had and I asked also a meta question here, I tracked even the css problem and I've shown it. The question was deleted on unclear and too broad reasons. Now that it disappeared with the new design, it is impossible for me to show it. I used mainly linux+firefox, and the flickering problem still persisted." CreationDate="2018-08-10T09:46:48.373" UserId="52236" />
  <row Id="8748" PostId="4925" Score="1" Text="At the moment using linux+firefox... I am not putting your question in doubt, too many driver issues and hw interactions. I am just saying I never saw it myself." CreationDate="2018-08-10T09:48:12.550" UserId="138261" />
  <row Id="8749" PostId="4927" Score="6" Text="+1. I hate it. Terrible. The actual body of the questions/answers (which I'm most interested in) is now squeezed into a small column, about 1/3 the width of the page. Not broken = don't fix?" CreationDate="2018-08-10T13:14:49.727" UserId="257802" />
  <row Id="8750" PostId="4904" Score="0" Text="Per @JoeFriend 's comment above, info on how to hide/collapse the left nav needs to be made very clear for all users. I, for one, think it is an abomination, and wouldn't have known how to get rid of it, if I hadn't seen his comment." CreationDate="2018-08-10T20:01:27.440" UserId="257802" />
  <row Id="8751" PostId="4927" Score="2" Text="It's not *immediately* hideable, which is kind of annoying, but I only had to check the box once and now I never have to see the silly thing again, on any SE site, forever.  Obviously it would be better if I didn't have to go find the checkbox, but it's a lot less painful than it could've been." CreationDate="2018-08-10T21:20:11.910" UserId="91565" />
  <row Id="8752" PostId="4934" Score="0" Text="I understand that it is a rather obscure topic, but I did edit my question to provide reference to what I was referring to.&#xA;&#xA;In either case, I also was not sure about whether this was the right place for this. Perhaps I could have clarified further, I am looking for a kernal function to provide this information, which I did end up finding. So it would either be here or stackoverflow, but I felt that this site would be more relevant to the question. Still, I want to help anyone else in the future with the issue so I will leave it to you to decide what should be done." CreationDate="2018-08-10T21:54:34.137" UserId="303703" />
  <row Id="8753" PostId="4934" Score="0" Text="@CainRose imho did put this on SO. Lmk and I can move it." CreationDate="2018-08-10T22:04:35.207" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="8754" PostId="4934" Score="0" Text="sure, if you could move it, that'd be great" CreationDate="2018-08-10T22:08:10.640" UserId="303703" />
  <row Id="8755" PostId="4928" Score="1" Text="@JoeFriend, it still shows new questions, but the top bar *says* **&quot;Top Questions&quot;** in giant bold letters." CreationDate="2018-08-10T23:24:43.070" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="8756" PostId="4934" Score="1" Text="@CainRose - FYI it was migrated." CreationDate="2018-08-11T02:44:54.860" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="8757" PostId="4012" Score="1" Text="And with the addition of &quot;([the association bonus does not count](https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/privileges/new-user))&quot; (complete with explanatory link), this is probably [meta-tag:status-completed]." CreationDate="2018-08-11T06:07:56.590" UserId="42315" />
  <row Id="8758" PostId="4011" Score="0" Text="Zulakis never did answer the question, it seems." CreationDate="2018-08-11T06:27:38.500" UserId="42315" />
  <row Id="8759" PostId="4931" Score="0" Text="The question has now been reopened." CreationDate="2018-08-11T07:30:21.263" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="8760" PostId="4938" Score="0" Text="I would prefer a javascript skin kind of social fixer. Funcionalities whished: change colours, hide top bar, hide left bar, hide questions from users with rep &lt; 300." CreationDate="2018-08-11T10:47:13.027" UserId="138261" />
  <row Id="8761" PostId="4829" Score="0" Text="I have seen a lot of assumptions here and in SO that: low rep users are new users, peope are interested in investing time in writing good questions, people want to learn and not just be given a quick &quot;fix&quot;. Kali does seem to attract a strange crowd." CreationDate="2018-08-11T10:55:03.810" UserId="138261" />
  <row Id="8762" PostId="4938" Score="0" Text="Related: https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4939/could-the-link-colours-within-post-text-be-made-to-stand-out-more-from-regular-t" CreationDate="2018-08-11T13:05:29.103" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="8763" PostId="4939" Score="0" Text="Related: https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4938/is-it-possible-to-modify-visual-rendering-of-links-locally" CreationDate="2018-08-11T13:05:40.530" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="8764" PostId="4936" Score="1" Text="There's a preference to hide the left bar: https://unix.stackexchange.com/users/preferences/ → “Hide left navigation”. It's not discoverable, but at least it's there." CreationDate="2018-08-11T15:30:50.957" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="8765" PostId="4936" Score="0" Text="@gilles Yup I found it, still it's wasting a lot of space IMO even with that enabled." CreationDate="2018-08-11T15:31:42.870" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="8766" PostId="4929" Score="4" Text="When I noticed the image (at least it's faint enough not to be distracting), I thought I'd somehow wandered to [electronics.se]. It looks like the person who drew it pictures Unix as “that overly complicated thing that I despise”, which I find pretty offensive." CreationDate="2018-08-11T15:33:41.487" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="8767" PostId="4938" Score="2" Text="Yes, you can do it with custom CSS. There used to be a Firefox and Chrome extension called Stylish that made it relatively easy, but unfortunately it got hijacked into distributing spyware, and I don't know if a replacement has emerged yet." CreationDate="2018-08-11T15:36:22.690" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="8768" PostId="4940" Score="5" Text="All well said points. 110% agree on all of them." CreationDate="2018-08-11T20:47:55.343" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="8769" PostId="4929" Score="1" Text="@Gilles same here, I thought it was a EE circuit." CreationDate="2018-08-11T20:49:07.523" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="8770" PostId="4940" Score="3" Text="I do agree with the image 200%...blacklisted the image with adblocking...." CreationDate="2018-08-11T22:54:31.063" UserId="138261" />
  <row Id="8771" PostId="4941" Score="0" Text="Thanks! Tampermonkey with the given script does work very well!" CreationDate="2018-08-12T11:32:28.123" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="8772" PostId="4829" Score="1" Text="@rui f ribeiro, I actually took your advice. A small break from SE did me well. I have made the same mistake a couple of times, assuming low rep = new users. Sometimes I make the mistake by obvious misuse of terminology. I agree, it's a strange mix of users who are attracted to Kali. (If I'm being honest they mostly seem research/reading/google lazy) it's the people who are mistaken for it that I feel bad for." CreationDate="2018-08-13T17:33:40.540" UserId="280139" />
  <row Id="8773" PostId="4829" Score="0" Text="Glad to know I can be of help." CreationDate="2018-08-13T17:40:15.593" UserId="138261" />
  <row Id="8774" PostId="4933" Score="4" Text="The contrast ratio between regular text and link text is 2.16:1, which is down from the previous design's 2.67:1.  The previous contrast ratio didn't meet accessibility guidelines either, which suggest [a minimum of 3:1](https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/G183.html), but unfortunately the new design moved to a lower contrast ratio instead of a higher one.  Although contrast requirements have been mentioned in meta feedback many times, SE's designers continue to focus on aesthetics and don't appear to consider accessibility at all when choosing colors." CreationDate="2018-08-13T18:06:43.247" UserDisplayName="user20460" />
  <row Id="8775" PostId="4939" Score="0" Text="FYI: I posted a user script to underline the links, as an answer to [Kusalananda's](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/a/4941/208146) question." CreationDate="2018-08-14T10:40:43.127" UserId="208146" />
  <row Id="8776" PostId="4923" Score="1" Text="Not to get too meta on Meta, but how do you envision giving feedback to the community's Answer-feedback?  A comment on each with &quot;yes&quot;, &quot;no&quot;, or &quot;maybe&quot;? A summary of the same in the Question?  I, for one, am unclear on which elements of the theme are customizable per-site (specifically, ours). There's badge icons, up &amp; down voting arrows, tags, error pages, top bar and image, font sizes, hyperlink styles, and probably others I'm missing.  Thank you!" CreationDate="2018-08-14T11:10:35.480" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8777" PostId="4923" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller I'll edit each answer with a status tag and sometimes add comment to give you an indication of how we are responding." CreationDate="2018-08-14T15:44:14.230" UserId="298862" />
  <row Id="8778" PostId="4931" Score="0" Text="For what it's worth, I see nothing opinion based there. Seems like a great Q&amp;A, thanks for posting it!" CreationDate="2018-08-14T23:35:20.353" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="8779" PostId="4926" Score="0" Text="Our initial focus is converting existing themes into the new format. Then we will be working with sites using the stock theme to provide them some level of themeing. After those are done we can consider these type of requests. Sorry for the bad news." CreationDate="2018-08-15T23:43:09.007" UserId="298862" />
  <row Id="8780" PostId="4929" Score="0" Text="Happy to remove it or to consider alternatives that would work well in the given space." CreationDate="2018-08-15T23:45:21.633" UserId="298862" />
  <row Id="8781" PostId="4930" Score="0" Text="Images are helpful. Understanding the width of your browser window is the next best thing." CreationDate="2018-08-15T23:46:01.583" UserId="298862" />
  <row Id="8782" PostId="4926" Score="1" Text="Is there a place that describes our site’s customizable elements?" CreationDate="2018-08-15T23:48:24.080" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8783" PostId="4933" Score="2" Text="I'll post a bug and have the designers take a look." CreationDate="2018-08-15T23:48:24.860" UserId="298862" />
  <row Id="8784" PostId="4936" Score="0" Text="Max width of the page (with the left nav unpinned) is unchanged from before. So, that white space you point out in Update #1 has always been there." CreationDate="2018-08-15T23:51:15.977" UserId="298862" />
  <row Id="8785" PostId="4933" Score="2" Text="In the meantime: Is there anything to do to highlight the fact that [this is a link to Google(for example)?](http://www.google.com). Oh... it looks better here in meta than the main page!?" CreationDate="2018-08-15T23:55:13.567" UserId="286615" />
  <row Id="8786" PostId="4926" Score="0" Text="Not really. Our initial post on the plans for themes had a list of takeaways. https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/307862/ch-ch-ch-changes-left-nav-responsive-design-themes" CreationDate="2018-08-16T00:19:23.660" UserId="298862" />
  <row Id="8787" PostId="4936" Score="0" Text="@JoeFriend it wasn't I'm positive." CreationDate="2018-08-16T00:51:59.520" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="8789" PostId="4936" Score="0" Text="Please take a look at these three screenshots. While they aren't the U&amp;L site, they show the difference between the [old stock theme](https://cl.ly/1e1Y1n0N3l3p/Image%2525202018-08-15%252520at%25252010.28.48%252520PM.png), the [new stock theme with left nav pinned](https://cl.ly/3V2k3k1N370T/Image%2525202018-08-15%252520at%25252010.27.38%252520PM.png), and the [new stock theme with the left nav hidden](https://cl.ly/3f0f3v0R1I44/Image%2525202018-08-15%252520at%25252010.26.35%252520PM.png)." CreationDate="2018-08-16T05:40:03.373" UserId="298862" />
  <row Id="8790" PostId="4936" Score="0" Text="I'm confident that the results would have been nearly identical for U&amp;L. But if you still have doubts check out [U&amp;L old theme via the Wayback Machine](https://cl.ly/0m353J3u2M0g/Image%2525202018-08-15%252520at%25252010.38.59%252520PM.png)" CreationDate="2018-08-16T05:40:09.780" UserId="298862" />
  <row Id="8791" PostId="4933" Score="0" Text="@Seamus See this other Meta question that may be helpful: https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4938/is-it-possible-to-modify-visual-rendering-of-links-locally" CreationDate="2018-08-16T05:52:02.927" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="8793" PostId="4946" Score="1" Text="The Meta site looks ok, and it doesn't have that graphic." CreationDate="2018-08-16T06:01:59.407" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="8797" PostId="4946" Score="5" Text="This is the boring solution. Blank would be better than the current one, but with the main logo being rather plain, it would be nice to have _something_ there. (Compare say to the main logo of [electronics.SE](https://electronics.stackexchange.com/))" CreationDate="2018-08-16T09:30:58.107" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="8798" PostId="4936" Score="0" Text="@JoeFriend when I go into looking at questions is it the same gutters there to? On my systems I see much less." CreationDate="2018-08-16T11:05:19.880" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="8800" PostId="4949" Score="0" Text="This answer is essentially: “keep the current image”?" CreationDate="2018-08-16T12:01:00.227" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8801" PostId="4949" Score="0" Text="This is to keep the image I am currently seeing.  slm's answer is to &quot;make it blank or non-existent all together&quot;." CreationDate="2018-08-16T12:01:03.423" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="8802" PostId="4949" Score="0" Text="Got it; I misunderstood initially (now-deleted comment)" CreationDate="2018-08-16T12:02:06.627" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8803" PostId="4945" Score="0" Text="Note it gets cropped vertically on my 15&quot; laptop, to 70px (at 1.0 zoom).  Which still works IMO, because enough of the content is in that middle 70px." CreationDate="2018-08-16T12:04:01.433" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="8804" PostId="4936" Score="0" Text="The gutters on the sides are a factor of the max width of the content area + fixed width of the right side bar and left nav (if showing). The max width of the content area hasn't changed for any page with the new design." CreationDate="2018-08-16T14:19:11.150" UserId="298862" />
  <row Id="8805" PostId="4936" Score="1" Text="One of the problems in introducing significant UX changes to any product is that the change makes people see things anew. The result is you see &quot;changes&quot; where there were none due to all the real changes that were made. It's frustrating for everyone because it makes it hard to get down to the core issues people have with the change. This is a super common experience." CreationDate="2018-08-16T14:21:26.670" UserId="298862" />
  <row Id="8806" PostId="4936" Score="0" Text="@JoeFriend - see my updates, I've added SS of what I'm seeing." CreationDate="2018-08-16T16:21:23.837" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="8807" PostId="4936" Score="0" Text="@slm There is something going on in that webapps screenshot. See how the site branding bar with the webapps logo extends too far down and intersects with the question title? That shouldn't look like that. If I go to the same page [I see this](https://cl.ly/3R0Z0W0q1v2Q/Image%2525202018-08-16%252520at%25252010.24.36%252520AM.png)." CreationDate="2018-08-16T17:25:20.177" UserId="298862" />
  <row Id="8808" PostId="4936" Score="0" Text="@JoeFriend - I can't access that link. Just edit it into my A'er, or send an imgur link instead of cl.ly." CreationDate="2018-08-16T18:00:30.977" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="8809" PostId="4940" Score="0" Text="Thank you SO MUCH for taking the time to write this up so well.  You nailed it.  Especially the contempt ingrained in that site image.  ...no, especially everything." CreationDate="2018-08-16T20:17:52.280" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="8810" PostId="4933" Score="1" Text="The way theming works at the moment, we'd have to choose a much different color, so I've actually underlined links consistently throughout our new unified themes. For themes with primary colors that don't have a ton of contrast with the body text, this'll help a ton, and this has been a common request over the years. It's been addressed and should go live in the next build." CreationDate="2018-08-16T22:04:18.560" UserId="305932" />
  <row Id="8811" PostId="4929" Score="0" Text="Discussion opened here: https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4945/117549" CreationDate="2018-08-16T22:06:35.813" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8813" PostId="4945" Score="3" Text="I never saw this image before and I have been using this site for years. Where is it (apart from in this post)?" CreationDate="2018-08-17T06:34:46.667" UserId="104086" />
  <row Id="8814" PostId="4952" Score="0" Text="Thanks, Ikkachu. I wasn't aware of the second URL. From there, I discovered that https://unix.stackexchange.com/tags/synonyms?filter=suggested&amp;tab=newest lists all the synonym suggestions that I *do* have enough reputation to vote on. It's a pity this feature is not more discoverable (similar to Review Queues)." CreationDate="2018-08-17T14:34:31.890" UserId="22812" />
  <row Id="8815" PostId="4951" Score="2" Text="I like the symbolism of bees. It doesn't have to be in O'Reilly style. Why a bumblebee specifically? Actually, a series of images of bees of different species would reflect the diversity of the Unix ecosystem." CreationDate="2018-08-17T20:43:43.167" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="8816" PostId="4956" Score="7" Text="We do get a lot of command line questions, but I'd like to avoid saying “this is the command line site”. This site isn't _just_ for command line users." CreationDate="2018-08-17T20:44:39.563" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="8817" PostId="4945" Score="4" Text="@gogoud It went live with the [new site design](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4923/unix-linux-new-site-theme-is-live) last week. Thankfully Stack Exchange seems to have retired it today after we objected to it. You can see it _in situ_ in [this screenshot](https://i.stack.imgur.com/eIBej.png), near the top right (poorly contrasted)." CreationDate="2018-08-17T20:55:51.933" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="8818" PostId="4958" Score="0" Text="As far i can see this just got reopened." CreationDate="2018-08-17T21:56:17.857" UserId="166226" />
  <row Id="8819" PostId="4961" Score="0" Text="Thank you for the quick response, action and  explanation.  I try to avoid the Fastest Gun In The West approach and only post an answer when I'm 100% sure it'll work for OP on the site I'm most active [au.se] but here I'll start shooting faster!  **:-)** [Answer posted in the meantime](https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/463275/90054)" CreationDate="2018-08-17T22:23:09.570" UserId="90054" />
  <row Id="8820" PostId="4958" Score="1" Text="@Videonauth [answer posted](https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/463275/90054)" CreationDate="2018-08-17T22:25:14.947" UserId="90054" />
  <row Id="8821" PostId="4946" Score="0" Text="+1 I blocked it with ad-blocking for it not to be there. Actually, Afterward I blocked all that line, it steals valuable screen real estate." CreationDate="2018-08-18T00:59:37.580" UserId="138261" />
  <row Id="8822" PostId="4933" Score="0" Text="@AaronShekey I just noticed this change and went looking for a comment about it. Thanks everyone for getting this fixed!" CreationDate="2018-08-18T10:00:38.423" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="8823" PostId="4959" Score="2" Text="Thanks for clarifying that. I wasn't aware of that specific meaning for &quot;historical Unix&quot; so without a tag wiki or usage guidance it seemed like another way of specifying that those questions were about the history of Unix (in general)." CreationDate="2018-08-18T11:48:05.463" UserId="22812" />
  <row Id="8824" PostId="4941" Score="0" Text="The answer above worked well, but is now obsolete since the links on the main site now are underlined by default." CreationDate="2018-08-18T11:51:35.937" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="8825" PostId="4938" Score="0" Text="@Gilles stylus, not as full-featured, but works well enough for me: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/stylus/clngdbkpkpeebahjckkjfobafhncgmne?hl=en https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/styl-us/" CreationDate="2018-08-18T16:43:43.663" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="8826" PostId="4933" Score="1" Text="@AaronShekey it seems to hide underscores though, which can make things look a bit odd.  E.g. [What can f_bsize be used for? (Is it similar to st_blksize?)](https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/463369/what-can-f-bsize-be-used-for-is-it-similar-to-st-blksize)" CreationDate="2018-08-18T20:34:28.237" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="8827" PostId="4961" Score="1" Text="&quot;There's really no downside to just posting an answer upfront&quot;. Well, people don't like to be downvoted. So they try to write a good, detailed answer or no answer." CreationDate="2018-08-19T09:44:21.813" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="8828" PostId="4959" Score="3" Text="If it's about Bell Labs Unix, should it then be called [tag:bell-labs-unix] or such? &quot;Historical&quot; is rather vague, in that something like early versions of Linux (or BSD, if Linux doesn't count as Unix) could also be called historical by now. Also, looking at the questions with that tag, there are a few that don't seem to be about a particular software or product, but about a particular feature [or bug](https://unix.stackexchange.com/q/361170/170373)." CreationDate="2018-08-19T12:17:04.197" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="8829" PostId="4951" Score="0" Text="I suggested bumblebees as I think they look cuter and friendlier than other bees, that's all! ;-)" CreationDate="2018-08-20T10:43:09.840" UserId="216430" />
  <row Id="8830" PostId="4946" Score="1" Text="Or, if needs must, something that fits in a 1x1 pixel square." CreationDate="2018-08-22T08:41:13.513" UserId="243949" />
  <row Id="8831" PostId="4956" Score="0" Text="@Gilles I think the shell is important for Unix though. Please check [my answer](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/a/4963/54675) for details." CreationDate="2018-08-22T10:00:32.493" UserId="54675" />
  <row Id="8832" PostId="4963" Score="2" Text="Classic command: `echo &quot;Hello, World!&quot;`, or [a single valid `tar` command](https://xkcd.com/1168/)." CreationDate="2018-08-22T13:14:03.830" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="8833" PostId="4963" Score="1" Text="along these lines, I'd like to see a `find` command; either an earnest one that solves a common set of problems, or whimsical one (`find /UNIX&amp;LINUX -type Answer`)" CreationDate="2018-08-22T14:42:02.987" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8834" PostId="4963" Score="2" Text="Maybe `*nix:/# █`?" CreationDate="2018-08-22T17:19:24.287" UserId="394" />
  <row Id="8835" PostId="4963" Score="2" Text="@JeffSchaller `LINUX: not found`. (In other words: cue debate as to whether the command has to be a valid one.) As invalid commands go, I'd prefer something like `alias help=https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/ask`. Or `browse https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/ask`, but at a non-root prompt (`$`, not `#`)." CreationDate="2018-08-22T22:21:51.457" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="8836" PostId="4963" Score="1" Text="I'm not keen on that because Unix is not _only_ about the command line." CreationDate="2018-08-22T22:22:47.643" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="8837" PostId="4963" Score="2" Text="What about one of the various documentation commands?  `man unix` or `whatis linux`  come to mind as good options." CreationDate="2018-08-23T13:04:40.360" UserId="240409" />
  <row Id="8838" PostId="4967" Score="2" Text="On the one hand I like your idea, I like its style and the old mainframe's vintage charm; on the other hand I think appealing to some lone-hackers-at-mainframes-sort-of-cult isn't the right choice for this site. If I were to explain to an average guy why I use Linux I would tell him something about the supportive community and the freedom of tinkering it gives, and I'd try not to make him feel as if he was sitting on the chair in your picture." CreationDate="2018-08-24T21:33:04.773" UserId="121967" />
  <row Id="8839" PostId="4970" Score="6" Text="This *is* a wiki. The edits are good." CreationDate="2018-08-24T21:39:09.200" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="8840" PostId="4967" Score="1" Text="PS Thanks for the Space Travel tip. I didn't know about that." CreationDate="2018-08-24T21:42:45.907" UserId="121967" />
  <row Id="8841" PostId="4970" Score="8" Text="Plenty of people consider that to be just noise: https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/138646/270345 https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/203727/270345 If you get an answer above your level, just ask for clarification on the comments." CreationDate="2018-08-24T21:48:26.380" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="8842" PostId="4970" Score="6" Text="Consider the perspective that SX aims to solve more than just your particular problem— anyone who has your problem can benefit from the solution(s). Your current knowledge level is a side commentary on the overall picture; it can help inform the level of the response but is not a critical element." CreationDate="2018-08-24T21:51:59.390" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8843" PostId="4971" Score="0" Text="Incidentally, a screenshot of the old complete site header is here: https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/q/644/135943" CreationDate="2018-08-24T22:25:25.763" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="8844" PostId="4970" Score="2" Text="@muru Fair point; I'll ponder over that a while. Although your first link seems to support my initial thought: &quot;Note that sometimes, the OP stating that s/he has little to no experience in a certain field is helpful to the user attempting to provide a solution.&quot;" CreationDate="2018-08-24T22:44:21.813" UserId="95276" />
  <row Id="8845" PostId="4970" Score="1" Text="&quot;Sometimes&quot;. Once you have already got and accepted an answer, what's the point of keeping that around? And also, that information doesn't need to be stated in the question, the comments work just as fine." CreationDate="2018-08-24T22:57:09.303" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="8846" PostId="4970" Score="2" Text="See also the [FAQ](https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/editing) regarding posts and edits." CreationDate="2018-08-24T23:54:29.950" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8847" PostId="4970" Score="3" Text="I did see the FAQ, but fail to see how the &quot;newbie&quot; debate meets the first test - although I can appreciate seeing it over and over is annoying, and will do my best to refrain from using it going forward: &quot;Edits are expected to be substantial...&quot; Maybe someone should update the Tour saying that niceties can be dispensed with; a link to it could then go in the edit comment, so people are aware what they did &quot;wrong&quot;. Just correcting without explaining isn't helping." CreationDate="2018-08-25T08:13:06.157" UserId="95276" />
  <row Id="8848" PostId="4967" Score="0" Text="@ArchStanton: You're absolutely right. I didn't think about it like that, but that is the whole point of Linux/Unix." CreationDate="2018-08-25T12:08:00.443" UserId="288980" />
  <row Id="8849" PostId="4945" Score="0" Text="This graphic reminds me quite a lot of [Stuart Davis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuart_Davis_(painter))'s art, specifically the one from [Radio City Music Hall](https://www.moma.org/collection/works/80650)." CreationDate="2018-08-25T12:21:30.313" UserId="288980" />
  <row Id="8850" PostId="4955" Score="2" Text="So true. Plus I feel offended when any site, text editor or whatever &quot;knows better&quot; what **I** want to write. The technical aspect should matter the most; but hello! if I cannot even make it stop, this is rude and haughty." CreationDate="2018-08-26T06:28:54.577" UserId="108618" />
  <row Id="8851" PostId="3432" Score="0" Text="@NickCraver On Unix &amp; Linux the technical (not aesthetic) aspect should matter the most. Aside from that I feel offended when any site, text editor or whatever &quot;knows better&quot; what **I** want to write. If I cannot even make it stop, this is rude and haughty." CreationDate="2018-08-26T06:36:12.253" UserId="108618" />
  <row Id="8852" PostId="4955" Score="0" Text="I agree whole-heartedly. A couple of years ago, I came across this particular bug on [so] and suggested that [Smarty-like formatting of titles be disabled](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/273730/229493) (at least on programming sites). When informed that this behavior was by design, I changed my bug report to a feature request - to no avail. You make a good, solid case in this post so I hope you get a better response than I did." CreationDate="2018-08-27T15:00:14.027" UserId="22812" />
  <row Id="8853" PostId="4481" Score="0" Text="My issue has been resolved. I can't remember exactly (it was over a year ago now), but I think that I was using `http` instead of `https`." CreationDate="2018-08-29T12:11:33.690" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="8854" PostId="4973" Score="0" Text="Related is cgroup v1 versus cgroup v2, which will become important in time as cgroup v1 advice won't work with cgroup v2.  For now I've updated the tag wiki to alert people to the difference." CreationDate="2018-09-01T02:02:41.093" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="8855" PostId="4974" Score="0" Text="Linking in: https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4977/117549" CreationDate="2018-09-01T16:01:56.620" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8856" PostId="4926" Score="0" Text="I'm thinking that *list of takeaways* is a typo for *list of taken-aways*. :(" CreationDate="2018-09-01T16:11:45.190" UserId="2649" />
  <row Id="8857" PostId="4974" Score="0" Text="Yes, even the new logo is using the wrong glyphs: those aren't small caps, but should be." CreationDate="2018-09-01T16:12:39.667" UserId="2649" />
  <row Id="8858" PostId="4975" Score="2" Text="Are you looking for [your own question](https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/425093/simuate-one-large-file-out-of-multiple-small-segmential-files) which got closed as a dupe of [this question](https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/94041/a-virtual-file-containing-the-concatenation-of-other-files)?" CreationDate="2018-09-01T19:09:12.260" UserId="90391" />
  <row Id="8859" PostId="3865" Score="1" Text="@Wildcard The reason those look funny is that they’re faking (emulating, poorly) the small caps needed because Georgia doesn't have actual small caps in the font. That’s why the ELU logo was done in Caslon. I point out this deficiency [here](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4977/2649)." CreationDate="2018-09-02T01:42:18.347" UserId="2649" />
  <row Id="8860" PostId="4975" Score="0" Text="Yes, @AndrewT. Thanks." CreationDate="2018-09-02T18:58:53.510" UserId="270469" />
  <row Id="8861" PostId="4963" Score="0" Text="@AustinHemmelgarn Thank you for sharing your ideas! I really like the first one and have just incorporated it into my answer." CreationDate="2018-09-03T11:53:00.530" UserId="54675" />
  <row Id="8863" PostId="4980" Score="0" Text="Yes, I can appreciate the disruption that might result from a move like that. OTOH, it does leave some good viable Q&amp;A &quot;stranded&quot;; in a few cases perhaps even stagnant, outdated. But there's tradeoffs for every decision, eh? And the 3rd post you linked addresses concerns of stagnation: ***&quot;If someone asks a similar question on your site and you're certain that you can't do better than the original version elsewhere, summarize it, give credit to the author, and link back to the original.&quot;*** Ooooh... I feel a 'canonical question' coming on :)" CreationDate="2018-09-03T21:07:04.607" UserId="286615" />
  <row Id="8867" PostId="4979" Score="0" Text="Note that you can always just ask the question again here. You can link back to the one on SO, mentioning that you feel the question could get better answers here. Ideally, you would also answer it yourself using the information from the answers on SO." CreationDate="2018-09-04T10:06:00.740" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="8868" PostId="4979" Score="0" Text="@terdon: Thanks, I thought of that... I may do it when I get some &quot;free time&quot;  :)" CreationDate="2018-09-04T10:57:00.583" UserId="286615" />
  <row Id="8869" PostId="4979" Score="0" Text="@terdon: While I agree that this question should be on U&amp;L, either by migration or reposting, you know perfectly well what will happen if a (moderately) low-rep user were to re-ask an already-asked-and-answered question — it would very quickly get a bunch of “off-topic — posted on multiple sites” votes. Perhaps, if and when Seamus re-asks the question, you should rush in and post a comment explaining that it’s OK. Even [the Help Center](/help/on-topic) doesn’t say that it’s OK if the other question has been closed (and was by a different author)." CreationDate="2018-09-04T18:25:44.000" UserId="23408" />
  <row Id="8870" PostId="4979" Score="2" Text="@Scott if you see that happening, please flag for mod attention. There is absolutely nothing against different users posting similar questions on different sites. Closing for such a reason is abuse and will be treated as such." CreationDate="2018-09-04T19:08:01.983" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="8871" PostId="4979" Score="0" Text="@Scott: Appreciate the comment. It's also interesting since the 3rd link in slm's answer below contains a quote that seems to sanction this provided credit is given, and a link to the original (see comment below for more detail)." CreationDate="2018-09-04T20:03:31.220" UserId="286615" />
  <row Id="8879" PostId="4983" Score="2" Text="I would suggest simply using more words; it seems to me as if you're trying to compress text. It's hard to write clearly, but I'd suggest explaining in an 80/20 fashion: cover the main point, then cover the exceptions/options/etc.  That way, all the words are there and searchable." CreationDate="2018-09-07T16:23:48.383" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8880" PostId="4986" Score="0" Text="ah, I even received NO notification for an answer that was edited after I edited it :D Not a fan :) because [subsequent edits](https://unix.stackexchange.com/revisions/29221/5) COULD break .. the answer; and since I get no notification of subsequent edits, I've no chance of detecting any such breakage (in that case: using `head -n 1000` in place of `head -z -n 1000` in that context is breakage for filenames containing `\n` and for limiting to 1000 file names - now there's no limit and is basically counting 1000 file names containing '\n' in their name instead of counting number of filenames)." CreationDate="2018-09-09T04:48:35.393" UserDisplayName="user306023" />
  <row Id="8881" PostId="4988" Score="4" Text="there's the hover text for the downvote arrow, but I finally put my hands on the Meta post that describes the [&quot;please consider adding a comment if you think this post can be improved&quot;](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/2373/307535) text for users under 2k reputation who downvote.  (comment on the &quot;review phase&quot; portion, not a full Answer)" CreationDate="2018-09-09T17:51:59.837" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8882" PostId="4978" Score="0" Text="If you format your tags as [tag:adb] instead of `adb` (`[tag:adb]` instead of `adb`), it always people to click on it to quickly go to that tag pages to see the issue themselves quicker (note that it will show the same as tag formatting when used in a question or answer, but not in a comment)" CreationDate="2018-09-09T19:19:50.927" UserId="43400" />
  <row Id="8883" PostId="4978" Score="0" Text="I am not sure whether I understand you correctly. I beleve however that it would help if there was a correct `adb` tag created at the same time when the old one is renamed. Here is the man page from UNIX V7 https://www.unix.com/man-page/v7/1/adb/ and here is the man page for `adb` on recent Solaris http://schillix.sourceforge.net/man/man1/adb.1.html that still exists but is now based on an enhanced version of the debugger called `mdb`." CreationDate="2018-09-10T09:09:03.873" UserId="120884" />
  <row Id="8885" PostId="4989" Score="1" Text="related on SE meta: [*How does comment voting and flagging work*](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/17364/how-does-comment-voting-and-flagging-work) and [*Allow downvoting comments*](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/3615/allow-downvoting-comments)" CreationDate="2018-09-10T15:28:00.240" UserId="239817" />
  <row Id="8886" PostId="4989" Score="1" Text="@ sebasth. Thank you. It is strange that the links you had provided are nine years old. Nothing was considered about ti?!" CreationDate="2018-09-10T15:30:38.390" UserDisplayName="user88036" />
  <row Id="8887" PostId="4988" Score="4" Text="Another non-answer; I was curious if we had an influx of new users (students?), since it *is* September. A quick query ([New Users by Date (last 60 days)](http://data.stackexchange.com/unix/query/896558/new-users-by-date-last-60-days#graph)) does not support the theory, though." CreationDate="2018-09-10T17:07:38.417" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8890" PostId="4988" Score="9" Text="As I commented already in SE threads, the bigger elephant in the room is calling users with low rep &quot;new&quot; users. With the ease people create discardable users to not go through the effort of writing good questions or several other reasons those stats are pretty much meaningless." CreationDate="2018-09-10T21:53:17.917" UserId="138261" />
  <row Id="8891" PostId="4989" Score="2" Text="and in [2012](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/152214/307535) and in [2013](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/171677/307535) and in [2014](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/244222/307535) ..." CreationDate="2018-09-10T22:54:22.350" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8892" PostId="4988" Score="4" Text="@Rui, did you mean the 3 examples roaima linked (new users of 2, 3 and 4 days as of this instant), or the SEDE query I link to? Because the SEDE query specifically looks at the account's creation date, not their reputation." CreationDate="2018-09-10T23:00:04.800" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8893" PostId="4978" Score="1" Text="&quot;ADB&quot; clearly refers to the [Apple Desktop Bus](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Desktop_Bus)." CreationDate="2018-09-11T01:16:44.607" UserId="62988" />
  <row Id="8894" PostId="4978" Score="0" Text="So you believe this existed before 1975?" CreationDate="2018-09-11T07:24:30.747" UserId="120884" />
  <row Id="8895" PostId="4988" Score="2" Text="I agree with you, I'm sure I've seen others where people were just not able to explain what they wanted but the question were fairly reasonnable." CreationDate="2018-09-11T08:43:46.317" UserId="53092" />
  <row Id="8896" PostId="4989" Score="0" Text="Someone more authoritative than me would have to confirm, but this sort of feature is likely Stack-wide; not sure, particularly given the latest theming change, that they could add this to *just* U&amp;L." CreationDate="2018-09-11T11:08:26.887" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8897" PostId="4990" Score="0" Text="thank you Jeff. When we talk about adding or removing a feature, there should be an objective. The most important question is : adding or removing a feature (e.g. downvoting, flagging) how this will improve the quality of the comments? This is the most important question from my perspectives! if I know that my comment will be downvoted and this will remove from my reputations, or badges, or lower my status.... I will make the effort to make great participation.On the other side, why not upvitng add to the user's reputations total score!" CreationDate="2018-09-11T11:39:57.060" UserDisplayName="user88036" />
  <row Id="8898" PostId="4991" Score="5" Text="Both close votes and (up or) down votes are limited per day already, albeit at fairly high levels (25/30). It tells you to come back tomorrow when you hit the limit." CreationDate="2018-09-11T19:52:54.870" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="8900" PostId="4989" Score="1" Text="You can always choose whether your prefer people commenting and true feedback for your questions, or whether you want to impose informal and self-censorship by the community, and people will just downvote instead of commenting.  As for &quot;newbies&quot;, I know a 100-2000 user is a newbie, as for your tipycal Joe &quot;help me, I am a newbie&quot;/Kali drive-by user, I do not know whether he has posted 1 time or 200 times here, and that is clearly a problem that SE is ignoring for inflating the numbers of the user base here." CreationDate="2018-09-11T21:45:28.680" UserId="138261" />
  <row Id="8901" PostId="4989" Score="1" Text="If you listen to the original podcasts that went along with the creation of stackoverflow Jeff Atwood and Joel Spolsky debated this and Jeff's position was always that the comments weren't meant to live forever w/ the A'ers, they were merely a mechanism to help the author shape it. This is why they have smaller fonts and don't have a lot of focus brought to them. Flagging is how you deal w/ any issues w/ comments." CreationDate="2018-09-12T03:45:11.710" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="8902" PostId="4991" Score="17" Text="(1) You want an explanation why people expunge politeness from posts?  See [Should “Hi”, “thanks”, taglines, and salutations be removed from posts?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/2950/271976)   (2) If my neighbor throws a piece of trash on the sidewalk, I may very well pick it up and throw in into a trashcan or a dumpster, because I like to live in a neat, clean community.  “Minding my own business” is not a reason for me to leave my neighbor’s trash on the sidewalk.  Same principle applies here." CreationDate="2018-09-12T07:38:31.707" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="8903" PostId="4991" Score="3" Text="As a long time user and browser there are way too many &quot;little men&quot; willing to downvote and mark as off-topic because they are incapable of seeing the relevance. Topicality, relevance etc are of course important but it doesn't hurt to try and appreciate what the person is trying to say even if they are a little less than clear. If we were all as well informed and articulate as the next man such wonderful resources as Stack Exchange would not exist." CreationDate="2018-09-12T09:26:51.593" UserId="228272" />
  <row Id="8904" PostId="4988" Score="3" Text="@KiwyBut that should be a assumption. You can't teach people from zero. People should be able to learn language, internet search engine, basic logic to properly express their doute, other people are not paid to answer question. Downvoting bad questions encourage people learn the basic manner, instead of creating an atmosphere &quot;I don't need effort, kind people from the internet will see me struggling and try their best help me out&quot;." CreationDate="2018-09-12T11:41:11.920" UserId="301641" />
  <row Id="8905" PostId="4978" Score="1" Text="We have to walk a fine line between the tags being sufficiently convenient (short) and obvious (common usage) that askers can choose the right ones, and the inevitable ambiguity when programs of the same name come and go in an almost 50-year-old ecosystem. That means  `rsh` is used for questions about the remote shell rather than restricted shell, and `vi` is used overwhelmingly for vim questions." CreationDate="2018-09-12T12:46:32.197" UserId="49439" />
  <row Id="8906" PostId="4978" Score="0" Text="I don't use `vi` or `vim` (I rather use my own `ved` since 1982), but I frequently use `adb` the advanced debugger from Stephen Bourne since it is usable even on stripped binaries - even with names taken from the shared library interface." CreationDate="2018-09-12T13:04:30.793" UserId="120884" />
  <row Id="8907" PostId="4991" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHomer Is there a badge awarded when you hit the limit? There should be." CreationDate="2018-09-13T02:32:29.503" UserId="82698" />
  <row Id="8908" PostId="4991" Score="6" Text="@Shule [Vox populi](https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/badges/75/vox-populi)." CreationDate="2018-09-13T02:34:31.447" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="8909" PostId="4992" Score="2" Text="`unix || linux`  The &quot;and&quot; has always annoyed me. It's clearly supposed to be &quot;Unix or Linux&quot;.  Well, speaking as a non-Linux user  ;-)" CreationDate="2018-09-13T10:09:57.823" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="8910" PostId="4992" Score="2" Text="@Kusalananda hah I love it. I always thought of it as meaning that the site was about Unix and Linux, which works fine (it’s about Unix, and it’s about Linux, so it’s about Unix and Linux); the questions however are indeed about Unix or Linux (with an inclusive or, except for people who are adamant that Unix is not Linux and vice versa)." CreationDate="2018-09-13T14:28:12.087" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="8911" PostId="4988" Score="3" Text="@JeffSchaller The creation data is virtually meaningless with the ease you just open a new question with a new user. You have got a lot of &quot;new&quot; users with the same writing style and also commanding very well our meta post &quot;language&quot;. I understand SE disseminating the  information that every account is a &quot;new user&quot;, it is on their best interest. Us, buying that, hook, line and sinker, does not make sense." CreationDate="2018-09-13T19:35:39.977" UserId="138261" />
  <row Id="8913" PostId="4988" Score="1" Text="@Rui if you mean Markdown, I find question after question where no thought whatsoever has been given to making a question readable." CreationDate="2018-09-13T19:50:02.710" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="8914" PostId="4988" Score="0" Text="@roaima Talking in general only." CreationDate="2018-09-13T19:52:35.057" UserId="138261" />
  <row Id="8915" PostId="4994" Score="3" Text="I'm pretty sure that downvotes cost -1. But for users in the thousands it's effectively free." CreationDate="2018-09-14T16:04:15.657" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="8916" PostId="4994" Score="17" Text="Only answer downvotes cost -1. Question downvotes are free." CreationDate="2018-09-14T16:04:42.807" UserId="19506" />
  <row Id="8917" PostId="4994" Score="1" Text="Ah ok. Couldn't remember. Thanks." CreationDate="2018-09-14T16:09:43.080" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="8918" PostId="4994" Score="2" Text="This has been discussed on Meta.StackExchange.com several times; the closest system currently flashes an additional pop-up for downvotes when your rep score is under 2k -- https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4988/lots-of-surprising-downvotes-to-new-users#comment8881_4988" CreationDate="2018-09-14T17:30:30.343" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8919" PostId="4994" Score="7" Text="I agree with your general direction, though. Downvotes send a signal, but comments could go a long way towards improving the responses and thus the site." CreationDate="2018-09-14T17:31:18.120" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8920" PostId="4994" Score="2" Text="@JeffSchaller In my observation most users in 0-300 rep range don't understand how SO works and mistake it for a phpbb style discussion forum. If we are to grow the site special consideration needs to be made for such users until they can come to speed. For that the popup doesn't seem to be having the desired effect. It'd have to be addressed by restricting votes for a set time, or until a certain number of views." CreationDate="2018-09-15T08:58:53.437" UserId="19506" />
  <row Id="8922" PostId="4996" Score="1" Text="No. Sadly the view here is that people unwilling to read documentation will somehow experience a Damascene conversion here, especially if they are pandered to." CreationDate="2018-09-16T04:21:50.037" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="8923" PostId="4996" Score="2" Text="None of these questions seem to match the characterisation you've given them to me, to be honest. I don't see anywhere that &quot;in the comments, he refuses to read any kind of manual&quot;, for example." CreationDate="2018-09-16T05:03:41.047" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="8924" PostId="4996" Score="0" Text="@Micheal The second question you didn't see it in the comments of he saying &quot;manuals won't provide any useful information&quot;? Are you kidding me or you just refuse to admit that this is exactly the kind of people I'm talking about? Even if you are right, did you read the first and third example I give?" CreationDate="2018-09-16T05:14:33.263" UserId="301641" />
  <row Id="8925" PostId="4996" Score="3" Text="Since the comment simply doesn't say that, no, I didn't see him saying it, and neither did you. ([The comment in question](https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/228452/can-grub-load-a-kernel-from-http#comment389789_228452): &quot;The manual? Who would have thought such a thing could contain useful information?&quot;). I can certainly think of some cases that might match what you're describing, but these are very inapposite examples. If you have others matching the pattern you're concerned about perhaps you could [edit] those in to illustrate what you're talking about to people more clearly." CreationDate="2018-09-16T05:24:28.863" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="8926" PostId="4996" Score="2" Text="For the other two, they might be duplicates (I'm not certain enough on systemd configuration to say for sure), and duplicates from the same user are definitely a bad sign. I don't see anything especially unreasonable about any of the questions in isolation though. They're certainly far from the worst we get and at least #2 is a genuinely interesting question." CreationDate="2018-09-16T05:27:47.297" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="8927" PostId="4996" Score="0" Text="@Micheal #1 #3 are not the same, They really aren't according to the LITERAL DESCRIPTION. Although I am very sure they're both X-Y and very similar. For your knowledge, Nobody use a service name for PreExec Start, it should be a command. A person who RTFD a little bit would know that, I didn't randomly guess he didn't read doc, I KNOW he didn't." CreationDate="2018-09-16T05:39:25.900" UserId="301641" />
  <row Id="8928" PostId="4996" Score="0" Text="Yes, it is a good question, that's what I said as &quot;a properly described and not duplicate question&quot; . Just the comment refusing to read docs, THIS IS SICK. IT encourages people to ask question, waiting for answers, no effort needed." CreationDate="2018-09-16T05:44:43.027" UserId="301641" />
  <row Id="8929" PostId="4996" Score="3" Text="I think you're misreading the comment and that that reaction is pretty extreme even then. You clearly don't like this person in particular, so my advice would be to just give their questions a miss entirely. There are many people here who skip over certain authors' questions for various reasons and it's a lot healthier for them than the alternative. As I said, though, if you have **other** examples, *ideally not all from the same user*, that might be helpful for addressing the issue you're seeing as a general topic here, and I encourage you to edit them in &amp; say a bit more on what you've seen." CreationDate="2018-09-16T05:55:32.453" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="8930" PostId="4994" Score="0" Text="@KshitizSharma I think you're seeing to different issues. The phpbb issue is very common, but I'm not sure at all that it's these completely new users who downvote." CreationDate="2018-09-16T07:54:12.933" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="8931" PostId="4972" Score="2" Text="This can also be shown on the [tour] by entering a particular Konami Code variant on the keyboard (ending in Enter); it used to be there but was replaced by the site logo. (Up Up Down Down Left Right Left Right B A Enter)" CreationDate="2018-09-17T20:18:24.160" UserId="129690" />
  <row Id="8932" PostId="4994" Score="0" Text="Some questions will never get 100 views. Are you suggesting to keep these forever, regardless of quality?" CreationDate="2018-09-17T22:51:46.347" UserId="106927" />
  <row Id="8934" PostId="4995" Score="1" Text="Downvoting does cost one reputation point." CreationDate="2018-09-18T06:55:39.097" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="8935" PostId="4995" Score="5" Text="@Kusalananda You are mistaken, only answer downvotes cost a point. Question downvotes don't cost anything." CreationDate="2018-09-18T10:13:13.233" UserId="126755" />
  <row Id="8936" PostId="4995" Score="1" Text="@Vlastimil You are correct. This is indeed a bit surprising..." CreationDate="2018-09-18T10:17:05.640" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="8937" PostId="4994" Score="0" Text="@DmitryGrigoryev Good point. I've edited my answer. The gist is to be more considerate to new users. How we get there could be a combination of things." CreationDate="2018-09-18T11:48:04.583" UserId="19506" />
  <row Id="8938" PostId="5002" Score="0" Text="Just FYI, it takes 10 minutes to make a script adding a generic &quot;This question doesn't show enough effort&quot; comment every time the user downvotes." CreationDate="2018-09-18T11:55:50.627" UserId="106927" />
  <row Id="8939" PostId="5002" Score="0" Text="@DmitryGrigoryev Alright, maybe a re-captcha or whatever the devs would choose. The specific implementation of countering bots is out of my field and is not important now." CreationDate="2018-09-18T12:03:16.713" UserId="126755" />
  <row Id="8940" PostId="5002" Score="0" Text="This would be **very** counterproductive. Think of users who post comments as they review: making them solve the captcha would sabotage the review process." CreationDate="2018-09-18T12:07:56.190" UserId="106927" />
  <row Id="8941" PostId="5002" Score="0" Text="@DmitryGrigoryev Is it not my point? I mean, we want to eliminate the downvoters, unless they have a very good reason. I would welcome it." CreationDate="2018-09-18T12:15:38.920" UserId="126755" />
  <row Id="8942" PostId="5002" Score="0" Text="I don't think you understand me. If I have to solve captcha every time I want to downvote a poor question in a review queue, I'd rather not review at all." CreationDate="2018-09-18T12:27:44.663" UserId="106927" />
  <row Id="8943" PostId="5002" Score="0" Text="@DmitryGrigoryev Then I think you downvote **a lot** :)" CreationDate="2018-09-18T12:47:32.847" UserId="126755" />
  <row Id="8944" PostId="5002" Score="0" Text="I believe anyone going through low-quality and close queues will downvote a lot. Good questions rarely go into these." CreationDate="2018-09-18T12:59:47.047" UserId="106927" />
  <row Id="8945" PostId="5004" Score="1" Text="What's the use case for this?" CreationDate="2018-09-18T14:41:02.223" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="8946" PostId="5004" Score="0" Text="@MichaelMrozek (1)Any situation in which it is useful to be precise about the list of shells that are being addressed. (2)Avoid fuzzy descriptions that may raise missunderstandings. (3) Provide new users with a clearer (and more precise) language. (4) Help new users with a simpler taxonomy. (easier to say Mammal than to list some of them. Easier to say dinosaur than to say &quot;the older animals that existed before the Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event 66 million years ago almost erased them (except for birds))&quot;." CreationDate="2018-09-18T14:55:31.620" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="8947" PostId="4991" Score="3" Text="@G-Man the fact that garbage thrown from a car window is considered equal to a polite greeting is exactly why this site will never be friendly to newbies." CreationDate="2018-09-18T17:20:49.507" UserId="132834" />
  <row Id="8948" PostId="4994" Score="0" Text="I'm in general favor, but I don't like the limitation on fast downvotes. That can be abused, but it's also important to bury trolls and spammers." CreationDate="2018-09-18T17:39:43.093" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="8949" PostId="4994" Score="4" Text="@mattdm Spam posts should be dealt with by flagging not downvotes." CreationDate="2018-09-18T18:33:37.367" UserId="19506" />
  <row Id="8950" PostId="5005" Score="1" Text="&quot;Too broad&quot; means that the question probably can't have a specific answer that voters feel would be suitable. I don't think I'm out of place in saying that people here are not really happy with an answer of &quot;reinstall your system&quot;, but there isn't a better answer for a situation where you _might_ have a compromised system." CreationDate="2018-09-18T19:06:55.970" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="8951" PostId="5005" Score="1" Text="In response to &quot;you're not advanced enough&quot; my opinion that this is specifically targeted at the knowledge required to be &quot;sufficiently sure&quot; that your system is not compromised. If you look around the rest of [unix.SE] you'll hopefully see lots of questions with specific answers. Yours was too general to have a useful specific answer, unless you consider &quot;reinstall&quot; a useful response." CreationDate="2018-09-18T19:07:42.470" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="8952" PostId="4994" Score="2" Text="@KshitizSharma Both, if you want 'em off the front page quickly." CreationDate="2018-09-18T20:34:39.227" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="8953" PostId="5004" Score="2" Text="In my experience, when we use the term &quot;bourne-like&quot; we mean &quot;bourne shell and similar shells&quot;. And this is usually used for very, very general shell features. Things like &quot;The way to set a variable in bourne-like shells is `var=value`&quot;. When would we need to be more specific than that and yet not so specific as to name the actual shell we mean? Could you clarify?" CreationDate="2018-09-18T20:55:33.547" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="8954" PostId="5002" Score="0" Text="I disagree that there should be a formula.  It should be super easy to explain - &quot;a downvote costs a point&quot;." CreationDate="2018-09-18T20:57:58.507" UserId="117536" />
  <row Id="8955" PostId="5004" Score="0" Text="Ancient/limited/simpler shells (bourne,ash,dash) lack a lot of features (as basic as arrays). Probably the word &quot;ancient&quot; is a good tag for them. But: What is the name of *extended (newer)* shells that follow the general syntax of Bourne? To list only expanded shells we need to remove Bourne, dash, ash and ?. With similar syntax to Bourne we probably need to include the ksh family (ksh, mksh, lksh, and ?), bash (which makes efforts to match ksh syntax). Perhaps not zsh as it makes strong efforts to be &quot;different&quot;. @terdon (cont...)." CreationDate="2018-09-18T23:49:36.500" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="8957" PostId="5004" Score="0" Text="@terdon (Cont...) That's the main group of shells used here without **one** simpler name to use. Mainstream? but that name would change with time. Mainstream shells of today could decay in use and the name will become fuzzy again as to what it really means. Or mainstream in one platform is not mainstream in another ... In any case, giving names to ideas (groups of shells) is a natural (human) solution to correctly use the language and convey clear meaning. Look at how long I had to write to describe the simple (maybe not) (general) idea of &quot;newer bourne-syntax/flavor/compatible(?) shells&quot;" CreationDate="2018-09-18T23:58:18.903" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="8958" PostId="5005" Score="1" Text="Yes, it was useful to know that &quot;reinstall&quot; is my best option and that there isn't a blindingly obvious system settings button or command line that would be certain of securing it." CreationDate="2018-09-19T01:28:29.927" UserId="311397" />
  <row Id="8959" PostId="4988" Score="0" Text="&quot;or if we should help these users&quot; -- help should always be voluntary. corollary: nobody should stop us from volunteering our help. i have been chastised, mass-downvoted, etc for assisting users that simply need a nudge, i do this by reviewing recently-closed or voted-to-be-closed posts and provide those users with the info they require. The culture-problem is a sense of ego and elitism that doesn't belong in a &quot;community of peers&quot; -- if you can't/won't help? *no problem* however, those that 'attack' us when we volunteer should be held accountable for what is tantamount to user abuse." CreationDate="2018-09-19T03:29:30.723" UserId="73482" />
  <row Id="8960" PostId="5002" Score="0" Text="I downvote only when the OP shows very bad willingness and poor explanation on top of that. If I just see someone asking a bad question but trying to explain and add some element I don't downvote bad question with bad explanation and no volounteer to explain is quiet rare." CreationDate="2018-09-19T09:33:48.177" UserId="53092" />
  <row Id="8961" PostId="4988" Score="2" Text="Strange, that first question _is_ clear, it's just a tangled mess. He's got 2 IPs from his ISP, one NAT, and wants a server running behind the NAT to have exclusive access to the secondary public IP. The answer to that question is ... _just give the server the secondary public IP and take it off the NAT_ -- not sure why that got closed." CreationDate="2018-09-19T12:49:46.780" UserId="3150" />
  <row Id="8962" PostId="5005" Score="1" Text="@user311397 you are missing a point. This isn't a support forum. There are some of those out there, and many of them have experts, that can help you with *your* specific issue (often for a price). StackExchange sites work as QA — if a question can't have a definitive answer, that question simply isn't fit for QA. In your case &quot;reinstall your system&quot; isn't a definitive answer, it is just some placeholder to shut you up (think how some doctors love to prescribe antibiotics to quicker get rid of a whiny patient). The real gist of your question is: &quot;how do I outsmart my ex&quot;?" CreationDate="2018-09-19T13:21:09.780" UserId="204468" />
  <row Id="8963" PostId="4988" Score="0" Text="@TimPost I'm with you on that. (I've already cast my reopen vote but clearly others don't agree with me ;-) )" CreationDate="2018-09-19T14:14:50.633" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="8965" PostId="5005" Score="1" Text="@user1643723 Actually, &quot;reinstall your system&quot; is the real answer. There is no shortcut to making sure people who used to have admin privileges can't log in remotely. Why do you think it's relevant that my ex was involved, compared to, say, a former employee? I'm just being responsible for my system's security. And what do you mean, this is not a support forum? People ask and answer specific, targeted questions like mine. I see that you want us out of your online space. Think that'll keep us out? Uh uh. It's my space too, &amp; it's the space of the great guys &amp; gals who answered my Q." CreationDate="2018-09-19T20:34:55.840" UserId="311397" />
  <row Id="8966" PostId="5005" Score="1" Text="@user311397 &quot;Think that'll keep us out?&quot; — keep *who* out? You are already here, aren't you? Anyway, the main problem of https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/469731 is that it is too theoretical, based solely on imaginary premise. &quot;Reinstalling one's system&quot; may ease someone's fears, but does it matter, if you have used a compromised system for a while already? All your network accounts, used on that system, can be compromised as well. What about your router? Isolating a security breach is more complex that giving away some cheap advice. And SE has o lot of cheap advice already." CreationDate="2018-09-19T21:11:18.203" UserId="204468" />
  <row Id="8967" PostId="4988" Score="2" Text="Comments to justify votes are encouraged by StackExchange." CreationDate="2018-09-19T22:05:59.200" UserId="270469" />
  <row Id="8968" PostId="4998" Score="4" Text="Hello Ben, I can relate to you. When I joined, users rapid-fired onto me." CreationDate="2018-09-19T22:06:47.057" UserId="270469" />
  <row Id="8969" PostId="5000" Score="0" Text="See also https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/469811/ ." CreationDate="2018-09-20T09:03:28.470" UserId="5132" />
  <row Id="8970" PostId="5008" Score="0" Text="This would be easier to understand if you also gave a use case example. When would you need something like this?" CreationDate="2018-09-20T13:02:36.003" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="8971" PostId="5008" Score="0" Text="something to show in this answer of mine https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/169997/72456" CreationDate="2018-09-20T13:19:08.070" UserId="72456" />
  <row Id="8972" PostId="4994" Score="4" Text="@mattdm flagging as spam automatically downvotes (and for free, when it’s on an answer)." CreationDate="2018-09-21T13:59:00.977" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="8973" PostId="4991" Score="4" Text="Yeah, we’re almost as bad as Wikipedia.  Wikipedia is such a cold and heartless place, ***it*** never says “Hello” or “Thank you” either.  The thing is, [SE] isn’t meant to be a chat site or a forum.  [SE] is a question&amp;answer site; we *want* to be like Wikipedia." CreationDate="2018-09-21T15:09:13.310" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="8974" PostId="5010" Score="0" Text="It wasn't easy to articulate either. Part of StackExchange's success is that it is intentionally easy to ask a question. You have a problem. A quick Google throws up either gibberish that you don't understand or else nothing useful, so you pop across to the (appropriate) Stack and ask away. Sometimes you'll get people asking for clarification. Other times there'll be &quot;Closed - unclear&quot; or anonymous downvotes. It's a tricky one to answer, for sure." CreationDate="2018-09-22T19:29:56.140" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="8976" PostId="4988" Score="0" Text="Glad to see this is being discussed.  I just commented on an answer that I gave that got edited and edited quite strangely!  Perhaps my comment belongs somewhere here in unix.meta rather than a a comment in my answer?  I guess I need to read up somewhere on what constitutes an 'answer' on metas and in general? Here's the comment:" CreationDate="2018-09-25T00:44:45.647" UserId="80268" />
  <row Id="8977" PostId="4988" Score="0" Text="I don't understand why Goro made the edits they did, and no edit summary was provided.  I think they made the answer worse, and now I see it's received a -1.&#xA;&#xA;I provided a workaround, removing my 'workaround' indicator makes it seem like I'm claiming/trying to provide a direct answer.  I think I'm offering more than a comment, but less than an answer.  Isn't that to be encouraged?  &#xA;The Q is https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/267259/why-does-ls-sporadically-output-only-in-the-root-directory-of-an-external/471195#471195" CreationDate="2018-09-25T00:46:02.407" UserId="80268" />
  <row Id="8978" PostId="5011" Score="0" Text="People down vote for a variety of reasons.   Part of the problem that you’ve observed is that they downvote and don’t come back to see whether you’ve improved the post: see [Concept of “conditional” downvotes?](https://meta.superuser.com/q/8623/354511)" CreationDate="2018-09-25T02:46:37.307" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="8979" PostId="4988" Score="1" Text="@MatthewElvey a workaround tagged as such seems good to me. There's nothing stopping you rolling back the edit. If necessary you can flag your own answer for moderator review, to see if they'll ask the OP to desist - or at least explain in the changes summary field." CreationDate="2018-09-25T06:48:58.340" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="8983" PostId="5004" Score="0" Text="Note that rc/es/akanga (a family on its own, based on Byron Rakitzis's `rc` copied/inspired from the plan9 shell) has nothing to do with csh. csh is probably the Unix shell with the worst syntax while `rc` probably the one with the best. `fish` is another popular shell nowadays." CreationDate="2018-09-26T06:44:36.603" UserId="22565" />
  <row Id="8984" PostId="5011" Score="0" Text="I'm not sure of the timing of the votes, and whether any occurred before your first edit. I wouldn't have downvoted the first version, but I tend to not upvote code-only answers that lack explanations. I prefer clear, didactic explanations, which can teach questioners in the long term." CreationDate="2018-09-26T12:30:10.060" UserId="18887" />
  <row Id="8985" PostId="5016" Score="7" Text="Great answer. **Show the research that you’ve already done** deserves highlighting." CreationDate="2018-09-27T02:54:18.093" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="8986" PostId="5015" Score="1" Text="Looks like a FAQ in progress, would you tag it as [meta-tag:proposed-faq]?" CreationDate="2018-09-27T07:07:00.557" UserId="90391" />
  <row Id="8987" PostId="5016" Score="2" Text="Very good advice indeed. Regarding responding to comments requesting clarification, it might be useful to recommend both editing the question to clarify it (without adding “Edit” sections at the bottom...), and *also* responding to the comment with a comment, so that the user who requested the clarification gets notified." CreationDate="2018-09-27T07:12:48.183" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="8988" PostId="5015" Score="1" Text="@AndrewT. why? What is that tag for?" CreationDate="2018-09-27T07:44:37.813" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="8989" PostId="5015" Score="3" Text="Possibly to tell us how empty [meta-tag:faq] is.  (-:" CreationDate="2018-09-27T09:50:36.830" UserId="5132" />
  <row Id="8990" PostId="5013" Score="2" Text="I've rarely seen questions with lower than -3 on U&amp;L. I figured that was because it wasn't worth downvoting such a question any lower (they're often from low scoring / new users anyway)." CreationDate="2018-09-27T09:53:23.933" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="8991" PostId="5016" Score="0" Text="Thank you, @StephenKitt! It'll sound odd after I wrote so much already, but for the purposes of this Q/A, I'm more concerned about getting the Question right than of notifying an inquisitive answerer of updates. It's certainly good/nice/smart to notify people who have already expressed interest, but I think there's also those who only want the question to be better. I think I need to tighten that section up just a little bit so that it's dealing with &quot;how are the columns delimited?&quot; comments and not *conversational* comments -- of which I'm failing to find a good example at hand." CreationDate="2018-09-27T10:44:58.057" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8992" PostId="5015" Score="0" Text="The  irony of an FAQ label is that the people who could most benefit from this Q/A most likely won't see it until much later, much less Ask about it. Here's hoping, though!" CreationDate="2018-09-27T11:01:11.937" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8993" PostId="5016" Score="0" Text="Yes, I agree with you — and it’s the Stack Exchange priority too — this is about questions and answers, not about the people involved. I have some examples of conversational comments but we shouldn’t encourage them!" CreationDate="2018-09-27T11:03:41.833" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="8994" PostId="5013" Score="3" Text="@roaima - same here, we as a community are pretty consistent about this, we either vote things up strongly or down to the ~-3 level, or close/delete it. It's one of the reasons I prefer this site to some of the other SE's." CreationDate="2018-09-27T13:14:14.380" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="8995" PostId="5016" Score="0" Text="&lt;del&gt;and it earns you a badge!&lt;/del&gt;. &quot;skip ahead if you’ve already covered these&quot; - you kind of have to read them to know if you have though :). &quot;nouns &amp; verbs that indicate the pertinent software, operating environment&quot; - maybe I'm mis-remembering, but don't you get nagged to not duplicate tags into the question?" CreationDate="2018-09-27T22:21:31.793" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="8997" PostId="5016" Score="0" Text="What is the importance of capitalizing proper nouns, _with respect to the question title_? I'm thinking the lack doesn't usually create ambiguity, so it's not hard to correct by those of us who like the full clarity :-). Is this something that creates a problem, which at the same time can be prevented by including a one-sentence reminder inside a long English answer?" CreationDate="2018-09-27T22:42:07.557" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="8998" PostId="5016" Score="0" Text="Thank you for all your feedback, @sourcejedi! I'm pretty sure that reading the tour earns you a badge; are you saying that the statement should be deleted? I mention it as additional motivation to be exposed to the &quot;on-topic&quot; list. You have a good point about the reader knowing what they've read before I've listed it. I'll highlight those points so that's it's obvious by skimming what they're about.  Re: the tags &amp; the question, my best recollection is some guidance regarding unnaturally including tags in the *title*; I don't recall any about the body." CreationDate="2018-09-28T01:12:20.253" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="8999" PostId="5016" Score="0" Text="Re: all the English idioms; another excellent point; &quot;toe hold&quot; is another I struggled with but let through. I'll revisit those to see if there's a clearer way to express them. Re: the proper noun capitalization, call it a pet peeve of mine; I've [ranted about it before](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/3989/has-something-happened-to-shift-keys-recently) and felt it was appropriate to include here (&quot;how can I make my question be better-received?&quot;)." CreationDate="2018-09-28T01:15:53.077" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9000" PostId="5016" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller wish I had something more constructive :). I'm not sure mentioning the badge is likely to help, so I'm a bit worried it's going to have an overall negative effect from sounding patronising. If it was rep, maybe :-)." CreationDate="2018-09-28T09:42:22.800" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="9001" PostId="5016" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller Yes, sorry, my thought was about the question title specifically. I don't know whether it calling it out in advance will help anything or not. It just struck me when I saw &quot;The title: create a sentence from your nouns &amp; verbs that indicate the pertinent software, operating environment&quot;.  If it's just guidance then it's not as weird to think about, but I thought there was a check that comes up and stops you from posting." CreationDate="2018-09-28T09:47:58.377" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="9002" PostId="5016" Score="0" Text="Fabulous work! I made a minor edit (mention *Questions that may already have your answer* and link to Accept help page) and hope you consider it to be useful.  I personally find that when asking a question, I sometimes struggle with the very first step, coming up with a good descriptive title. It's not until I've typed the body of the question that the title becomes clear to me. That could well be a purely personal thing so I decided to omit that advice. Your advice of jotting down verbs and nouns makes more sense (the search engine often does show useful duplicates)." CreationDate="2018-09-28T09:54:51.853" UserId="22812" />
  <row Id="9003" PostId="5016" Score="2" Text="@JeffSchaller I can't discount the work you put in editing and so on. I was seeing if I could find shorter ways to write this, and capitalisation looked like a low priority. If it's worth keeping in, maybe it's worth a link to an approved English lesson on this? - and if that seems too intrusive, maybe it's because it is." CreationDate="2018-09-28T10:22:51.667" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="9004" PostId="4645" Score="0" Text="@Mark Or rather like a surgeon laser scalpel -- very good at what it does.  Only, you don't use it every day, and surely not to open a bottle of wine or cut a sandwich." CreationDate="2018-09-28T11:53:38.027" UserId="34039" />
  <row Id="9006" PostId="5018" Score="0" Text="This is a good and **concise** answer.  Conciseness is important here.  People who most need advice on asking are least likely to read long answers in full." CreationDate="2018-09-28T19:40:33.777" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="9007" PostId="3998" Score="1" Text="@PeterMortensen, actually, for key pounders, Cherry MX Greens are better.  (You can get a [CODE Keyboard with Cherry MX Greens](http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/products/code-keyboard/code-104-key-mechanical-keyboard-mx-green.html).)" CreationDate="2018-09-28T20:11:03.733" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="9008" PostId="4988" Score="1" Text="The editor ignored my comment and made a further edit, also with no edit summary, so I'm flagging it.  Some parts are good, but now it starts off with something that's flat out wrong. (I'm NOT suggesting folks _cd to a subdirectory, and then run ls, then enter..._ ; running ls twice like that makes NO sense.) I see three introduced English errors/poor phrasings. Presumably, Goro isn't a native speaker. (That's fine, but not if you're introducing so many errors while editing another editor's answer!)" CreationDate="2018-09-28T20:39:54.890" UserId="80268" />
  <row Id="9009" PostId="5018" Score="0" Text="That's what I thought, but my first vote was a down vote. haha, all good !" CreationDate="2018-09-28T21:30:45.833" UserDisplayName="user179061" />
  <row Id="9010" PostId="4148" Score="1" Text="@lesmana, I award you five bragging points.  ;)" CreationDate="2018-09-28T22:16:59.900" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="9011" PostId="3943" Score="0" Text="@RealSkeptic, http://symbolhound.com/" CreationDate="2018-09-28T22:20:44.653" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="9013" PostId="5021" Score="1" Text="You have my support. I don't like the downvotes either." CreationDate="2018-09-30T01:13:42.797" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9014" PostId="5021" Score="0" Text="Many thanks @Tim." CreationDate="2018-09-30T02:18:57.647" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="9015" PostId="5021" Score="1" Text="Still, 5 upvotes (currently) is not bad." CreationDate="2018-10-01T09:51:29.410" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="9016" PostId="5019" Score="0" Text="I've edited the question, mostly fixing the language but also adding ever so slightly more info from looking at the tags. I've also nominated it for reopening." CreationDate="2018-10-01T09:58:20.207" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="9017" PostId="5019" Score="0" Text="Thank you, Now I add more specific version information for that question.  @Kusalananda" CreationDate="2018-10-01T10:55:57.320" UserId="259284" />
  <row Id="9019" PostId="5021" Score="0" Text="Three upvotes came after this post (which is not what I intended). What I would like is a recommendation, or, at minimum, a guess of why is the question being down-voted. It is over my head, I do not see why. Consequently, I can not fix what I don't see that it's broken. Thanks. @Kusalananda" CreationDate="2018-10-01T21:11:51.757" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="9020" PostId="5023" Score="0" Text="Many thanks @AnthonyGeoghegan that is exactly what I wanted to have as an answer. +1" CreationDate="2018-10-02T09:41:58.263" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="9021" PostId="5024" Score="1" Text="Could your browser be blocking 3rd-party javascript? related: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/315918/how-to-use-stack-exchange-without-letting-google-track-me-through-its-recaptcha" CreationDate="2018-10-02T13:08:17.797" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9022" PostId="5024" Score="0" Text="Maybe also: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/312941/captchas-not-appearing-browser-problem" CreationDate="2018-10-02T13:09:42.303" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9023" PostId="5025" Score="0" Text="Are system call questions on topic? If yes, good news." CreationDate="2018-10-03T15:27:05.387" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9024" PostId="4974" Score="1" Text="This has been fixed. Also the small caps @tchrist :)" CreationDate="2018-10-03T23:22:46.297" UserId="157937" />
  <row Id="9025" PostId="5027" Score="2" Text="I find it rather amusing that jww gets a “New contributor” label with this question ;-). (Yes, I know why, I still find it amusing.)" CreationDate="2018-10-04T12:49:00.957" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="9026" PostId="4974" Score="0" Text="@Catija Thanks for letting me know. The letters in the logo are now all in the same line, but believe it or not they are ***still*** not using real small caps. You can tell because the wide parts of stroke widths differ on the full caps from that of the fake ones, like the L’s is wider than the that of the I. [Illustration of real vs fake small caps in the Unix &amp; Linux logo](https://i.stack.imgur.com/g1Vck.png). See how that works? The small caps at a given size have identical stroke widths with the rest of the glyphs, just different proportions from the full caps. Once seen, never unseen. :)" CreationDate="2018-10-04T13:05:07.460" UserId="2649" />
  <row Id="9027" PostId="4640" Score="0" Text="@bu5hman The questions I've just seenabout Kali before coming here are silly... like you have to GIVE plenty of information to expect any answers and that's how it is all across Stackexchange. Why are editors just letting these Kali questions go? Begging and pleading questions are a fungus on this forum and they need to go!" CreationDate="2018-10-04T14:15:22.163" UserId="247436" />
  <row Id="9028" PostId="4974" Score="0" Text="@tchrist I see them when they're side by side but ... I wouldn't notice otherwise... Regardless, this has been updated again to a heavier weighting and I *think* it's well and truly fixed now." CreationDate="2018-10-04T19:24:19.323" UserId="157937" />
  <row Id="9029" PostId="5024" Score="0" Text="This sounds to me like your browser is blocking some aspect of the page being rendered properly." CreationDate="2018-10-05T01:59:50.700" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="9030" PostId="5030" Score="0" Text="yes, perhaps the exact distribution is a gainful specification. such is a people problem... evidence of specifics failing generally. shite happens. i asked this because i tended to observe negatively accrued vote totals accompanied by multiple specific answers. creeped me out." CreationDate="2018-10-05T04:58:04.733" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="9031" PostId="5033" Score="1" Text="The issue presented in the linked question is not &quot;an easy one&quot;. It require the copy of arguments from a function call to another, that is not easy to show nor to understand. The issue is about the arguments being copied (internally in bash) from one function call to another. The copy on other shells seem to be only of a pointer to the place where the arguments are, that is why other shells run quite noticeably faster. I'll try to improve the redaction of the question. I will also try to remember the exact problem I was solving at the time this issue presented. Thanks." CreationDate="2018-10-05T21:39:45.797" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="9033" PostId="5033" Score="0" Text="@Isaac Mostly I agree with Anthony Geoghegan. Sometimes there are anonymous downvotes, and usually you can't work out why. I don't like it either. I thought I saw some patterns. Maybe what I wrote makes you think of something useful, maybe it does not.  I hope you don't spend too much time worrying about it :-)." CreationDate="2018-10-05T22:01:18.823" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="9034" PostId="5033" Score="0" Text="I made some edits,  may it be better now?" CreationDate="2018-10-06T00:06:52.697" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="9035" PostId="5033" Score="0" Text="@Isaac I'm impressed :). Yes, I think that answers my points. Firstly, it admits `args = 1` has a small difference (maybe within the margin of error), and the big difference happens with `args = 20000`. And also, it is explicit that you are interested in the case of passing thousands of arguments.  E.g. it was not an accidental problem caused because you used `seq` just to run a loop thousands of times and measure how long it took." CreationDate="2018-10-06T10:02:19.123" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="9036" PostId="5035" Score="1" Text="What is that you wish to upload? Will it exceed the 30k character limit for posts?" CreationDate="2018-10-07T11:49:39.787" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="9037" PostId="5035" Score="4" Text="Is there any way that you can list steps for others to reproduce an appropriate archive themselves?" CreationDate="2018-10-07T12:11:12.750" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9038" PostId="4974" Score="0" Text="@Catija You shouldn’t need to adjust the font weight on the small caps unless you’re merely faking them. I don’t know how your tool chain works, but I was assuming(?) you were using actual desktop publishing software like Adobe InDesign or Microsoft Publisher to do fancy site logos, layout, and typography work, not mere HTML and CSS browser tricks. You need to get at the `smcp` feature and the font has to really have them. If you’re stuck in a silly web browser :) this works in Chrome on a Mac: `&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Adobe Caslon Pro; font-variant: small-caps;&quot;&gt;Unix &amp;amp; Linux&lt;/span&gt;`." CreationDate="2018-10-08T01:23:40.077" UserId="2649" />
  <row Id="9039" PostId="4974" Score="0" Text="@Catija Except that you don’t want to also small-cap the intervening ampersand, so make two separate spans if you’re trying to do this design work in a browser. But you really should be using desktop publishing software for this. For example, at the display size you need for the logo, the tracking is &quot;gappy&quot; when switching style between the full-cap U and small-cap ɴ, so you might want to tighten the kerning between those two. But ask somebody else cuz I’ve been staring at it too long. :) Once it’s right/real, all broad strokes will be at the same thickness in both; ditto thin strokes, serifs." CreationDate="2018-10-08T01:29:44.613" UserId="2649" />
  <row Id="9040" PostId="4974" Score="0" Text="@Catija It looks “good enough” now, mind you. I’m just trying to explain how things *should* be done font-wise. It’s possible these days to get at some of these things from a web browser, but site logos will look better if hand set by a skilled typesetter using proper tools actually designed for that purpose, not by using quick browser hacks and emulations of things like synthesized small caps or synthesized font weight." CreationDate="2018-10-08T03:38:01.297" UserId="2649" />
  <row Id="9041" PostId="5033" Score="0" Text="Thank you! :-)." CreationDate="2018-10-08T05:50:11.407" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="9042" PostId="5037" Score="0" Text="very informative answer, thanks." CreationDate="2018-10-08T12:45:44.473" UserId="112507" />
  <row Id="9043" PostId="5035" Score="1" Text="I was about to turn my comment into an answer, but I'm having trouble with the context. I see [one of your recent questions](https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/473615/how-to-setup-qemu-networking-for-web-app-server-on-guest) has a request from mosvy asking for something reproducible, namely: `what servers you ran on the guest, what command exactly you used to connect to localhost:7777`; where does a large archive come in? If there's a lot of output, you might take a first pass at removing innocuous lines; or start with just the top (N) and bottom (N) lines." CreationDate="2018-10-08T14:39:41.233" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9045" PostId="5037" Score="1" Text="I think the aspect of circumventing evil restrictions of big media companies makes the question useful, which reasons the extra effort to save it, and the lenience reviewing it (inside the limits given by the rules)." CreationDate="2018-10-09T09:21:43.547" UserId="52236" />
  <row Id="9046" PostId="5036" Score="0" Text="@αғsнιη appears to have been re-asked: https://unix.stackexchange.com/q/474055/117549" CreationDate="2018-10-09T17:19:38.573" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9048" PostId="5036" Score="0" Text="Yes - I did re-ask the question, after getting help, much of which came from this posting.  Closing this posting now makes sense to me; the posting has done its job." CreationDate="2018-10-09T18:59:54.363" UserId="112507" />
  <row Id="9049" PostId="5036" Score="1" Text="As a rebuttal idea, which the site admins might consider, I think that G-Man's answer provides a powerful *what to do* reference.  As such, I think that his answer should be preserved *somewhere*, perhaps by retaining this posting.  **Can this posting be closed without the posting being deleted?**" CreationDate="2018-10-09T19:16:06.900" UserId="112507" />
  <row Id="9050" PostId="5036" Score="0" Text="Why not just redirect the link in the question to the _new_, improved question?" CreationDate="2018-10-10T20:19:58.563" UserId="20246" />
  <row Id="9051" PostId="5036" Score="1" Text="@DopeGhoti good idea.  I have edited the question." CreationDate="2018-10-10T23:20:33.537" UserId="112507" />
  <row Id="9052" PostId="5026" Score="0" Text="I tried to vote for this but I lack the required score on the tag :(" CreationDate="2018-10-11T06:26:16.897" UserId="12729" />
  <row Id="9053" PostId="5011" Score="0" Text="More examples: *[Add new line after third comma](https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/474882)*, *[Collecting specific genome data from a file and collect it in the same title](https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/474268)*, and *[Multiply digits within a number with each other](https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/474021)* (from 3 consecutive days)." CreationDate="2018-10-11T18:55:07.220" UserId="8284" />
  <row Id="9054" PostId="4640" Score="0" Text="@Chrips Go where? Back to Windows?  Seems the current policy of give them a gentle slap and put them on the road to actually learning Linux first is a good as it gets. As far as the 'fungus' goes, then thats down to administration to trim posts as they see fit. Frustrating perhaps but not the end of the world." CreationDate="2018-10-12T10:17:05.917" UserId="217629" />
  <row Id="9055" PostId="4640" Score="0" Text="@bru5hman What on earth are you talking about? GO? I haven't told anyone to go anywhere except back to this forum WITH a well-formatted questions with plenty of DETAILS. Seriously. People need to provide details on a specific issue. If you can't understand that, then try another forum." CreationDate="2018-10-12T12:02:20.523" UserId="247436" />
  <row Id="9056" PostId="4640" Score="0" Text="@bru5hman And I completely disagree that wannabe pen testers ought to get attention when they drop questions that are clearly explained in intro tutorials and other entry-level answers here. Stack exchange is useful for new users but new users have to SEARCH for answers too! You can't just exect people to provide indepth tutorials for free. I am completely in agreement with Giles &quot;when people are.. in way over their head and.. asked.. with the usual.. problems (unclear..they didn't explain... , they didn't... error messages, they didn't provide enuf indo... ), we could close it as a duplicate&quot;" CreationDate="2018-10-12T12:07:46.120" UserId="247436" />
  <row Id="9057" PostId="5039" Score="1" Text="Seems reasonable but I’m afraid it’ll get re-abused." CreationDate="2018-10-13T11:26:05.317" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9066" PostId="5042" Score="1" Text="It should be if the question deserves an answer then it deserves a upvote" CreationDate="2018-10-16T03:24:49.677" UserId="36440" />
  <row Id="9067" PostId="5042" Score="7" Text="@somethingSomething  but it's not." CreationDate="2018-10-16T04:07:18.837" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="9068" PostId="5041" Score="1" Text="See the answers at https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/a/3135/117549 for some counterpoints." CreationDate="2018-10-16T10:25:47.460" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9075" PostId="5037" Score="0" Text="TL;dr: when asking other for help, try to not ask them for stuff that you are capable of doing." CreationDate="2018-10-17T15:49:20.013" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="9077" PostId="5043" Score="4" Text="I have noticed that often the first answer will have the most votes. One possible reason could be that the people who upvoted the first answer(s) do not necessarily revisit the question and new readers might still upvote the answer which got the most votes at that point. The reason some good answers will not get votes later on might simply be due lack of attention the question gets with the new answer." CreationDate="2018-10-18T16:13:39.970" UserId="239817" />
  <row Id="9078" PostId="5043" Score="1" Text="Even after the accepted answer was selected, the 'bad' answer keeps receiving upvotes. Also, is normal that more than 30% of the visitors gives upvote? Now is 14 votes 75 visitors, for a very specific and boring question." CreationDate="2018-10-18T16:54:53.077" UserId="134844" />
  <row Id="9080" PostId="5043" Score="0" Text="You upvote me and I upvote you? The looser is the community: the up/down vote have no real value." CreationDate="2018-10-18T20:11:12.483" UserId="134844" />
  <row Id="9081" PostId="5043" Score="1" Text="The accepted answer is not always the best answer." CreationDate="2018-10-18T20:19:49.517" UserId="239817" />
  <row Id="9082" PostId="5043" Score="3" Text="You are right, but not in this case. The multiple upvotes are on a very trivial answer: how to delete a line using `sed`, that was not the question.&#xA;I think we should put attention to the upvotes origin. They may be bot generated. Also, no correlation between the answer's quality posted by the user and the thousand upvotes received." CreationDate="2018-10-18T22:11:30.567" UserId="134844" />
  <row Id="9084" PostId="5043" Score="3" Text="@fcm unfortunately, we normal users have no way to correlate the users with the votes; otherwise it would be very easy to identify bots or simply clusters of &quot;friends&quot; that upvote each other. (effusively laudatory comments on trivial answers however give a strong lead ;-)). As long as the system is that way, completely non-transparent, it **will** be abused -- it's not really the fault of this or that user." CreationDate="2018-10-19T17:03:53.683" UserDisplayName="user313992" />
  <row Id="9085" PostId="5043" Score="2" Text="A lot of what you lot are discussing is well trodden ground.  See https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/8879/ , https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/18014/ , https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/222412/ , https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/137448/ , and so on." CreationDate="2018-10-19T17:49:31.167" UserId="5132" />
  <row Id="9087" PostId="5043" Score="3" Text="I, for one, just received -170 reputation yesterday with a &quot;user was removed&quot; message -- perhaps unrelated, perhaps resolution?" CreationDate="2018-10-20T17:34:20.047" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9088" PostId="5043" Score="9" Text="@JeffSchaller the user OP is taking about lost some 8k rep, with an alarmingly large number of users removed. Resolution more likely than not." CreationDate="2018-10-20T20:32:58.090" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="9089" PostId="5046" Score="3" Text="I haven't (yet) voted on the question, but the thought that goes through my head when reading the current version is: &quot;just try it and see?&quot; -- which could be enough justification for a &quot;low effort &quot; downvote." CreationDate="2018-10-21T18:29:56.747" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9090" PostId="5046" Score="1" Text="I get that. That is what I did. What I am not sure about is whether or not such questions are (or should be) welcome on this community?" CreationDate="2018-10-21T18:31:20.517" UserId="101404" />
  <row Id="9091" PostId="5046" Score="2" Text="The tooltip for the vote-down button says &quot;This question does not show any research effort; it is unclear or not useful&quot;, and the *question* certainly does not *show* any research effort, notwithstanding that since it's self-answered you did actually research it. It is difficult to find a balance between what goes in the question and in the answer in those cases." CreationDate="2018-10-21T20:00:17.830" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="9092" PostId="5043" Score="0" Text="@muru just out of curiosity, is there a way to see a list of recently removed users? I don't think there's any resolution, that's probably just a temporary suspension, after which he/she will be back with a vengeance." CreationDate="2018-10-22T09:35:49.243" UserDisplayName="user313992" />
  <row Id="9093" PostId="5043" Score="0" Text="@qubert no, you can't see which users were removed (to protect voting anonymity), but if you look at the user's reputation changes on mobile, you'll see individual entries with &quot;User was removed&quot; (500+; but I'm not sure if each entry means a unique user was removed). And if the user persists in this behaviour, they might get suspended, with lengthier suspensions for repeated offences." CreationDate="2018-10-22T09:48:04.560" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="9095" PostId="5047" Score="0" Text="Thanks Kamil for sharing your considerations. Also for your tip. I added a similar note inviting people to express their considerations here when/before casting a downvote. I used the blockquote for lack of anything better. How did you create the grey box thingy you use in your answer? (I have still too low rep to use the edit button)" CreationDate="2018-10-22T21:32:47.013" UserId="101404" />
  <row Id="9096" PostId="5047" Score="1" Text="@PaulvanLeeuwen It's a blockquote of the same type, with `&gt;`. The color is different because Meta has its own color scheme." CreationDate="2018-10-22T21:39:11.823" UserId="108618" />
  <row Id="9097" PostId="5043" Score="2" Text="This sounds like Hot Network Questions at work" CreationDate="2018-10-23T22:04:41.657" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="9098" PostId="5043" Score="3" Text="HNQ does not provide +140 reputation on an answer that is today +1/-2, thirteen deleted users does that (take a look, right below the -4922)." CreationDate="2018-10-24T07:49:31.877" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="9099" PostId="5047" Score="1" Text="@PaulvanLeeuwen you can view source of a post using the URL like `https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/posts/5047/revisions` (where 5047 is the post ID you can get from _share_ link under the post), and clicking _source_ there." CreationDate="2018-10-24T09:36:37.443" UserId="27672" />
  <row Id="9100" PostId="4998" Score="0" Text="Not just any users, users with a reputation of at least +5k are usually the down voters because they won't get banned for too many down votes... they roam with a superiority complex lol" CreationDate="2018-10-25T07:26:15.990" UserDisplayName="user179061" />
  <row Id="9102" PostId="5050" Score="0" Text="Thanks for your advice. I guess you are right about the throphy / personal slight thing. But for me it is more than that. I believe SO(&amp;co) can be a very nice community if we take the guidelines in the code of conduct and the downvote privilege description seriously. Originally I got a comment along the line of &quot;what, was reading the man pages too much effort?&quot;. That was clearly not in line with the code of conduct (the code actually mentions this concrete example).Point is that such comment you can flag, but just downvotes because how &quot;exciting&quot; it is is as unwelcoming, but hard to respond to" CreationDate="2018-10-25T20:33:27.830" UserId="101404" />
  <row Id="9103" PostId="5050" Score="0" Text="Basically, why I posted this meta question is because I strive to write stuff that improves this site. If I make it a bad / worst place, then I embrace the downvote. But I am not sure the current downvotes mean it is a bad addition to the site. So basically my question remains on the qualitative feedback on the linked post: can or should it be improved? Does it add value to this site or is it clutter and is this site slightly better if we just remove it?" CreationDate="2018-10-25T20:40:15.623" UserId="101404" />
  <row Id="9104" PostId="5051" Score="0" Text="Without mentioning what kind of account the is it is impossible to say." CreationDate="2018-10-25T22:33:54.723" UserId="301065" />
  <row Id="9105" PostId="5051" Score="1" Text="Do you mean your Stack Exchange account?" CreationDate="2018-10-25T22:35:30.813" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9106" PostId="5053" Score="4" Text="Confusing your words are ... first you should describe what you want to achieve and not what you don't want to do ... anyways, it sounds like you want to use `find` or `tree`. But that is a vague guess." CreationDate="2018-10-26T08:25:12.330" UserId="236063" />
  <row Id="9108" PostId="5053" Score="0" Text="This might be a comment to the question in the link at the top." CreationDate="2018-10-26T08:35:13.107" UserId="236063" />
  <row Id="9109" PostId="5053" Score="0" Text="Its too long a comment I was unable to grep it." CreationDate="2018-10-26T08:57:36.377" UserId="317620" />
  <row Id="9110" PostId="5053" Score="0" Text="Actually you see the problems I am having?" CreationDate="2018-10-26T08:59:48.567" UserId="317620" />
  <row Id="9111" PostId="5050" Score="3" Text="@PaulvanLeeuwen Straight answer: Your posts are good enough. Trying to polish them might even spoil them. I would, though, remove any references to votes, thanks etc. I know that this also catches many new users by surprise who want to be polite community citizens, but the reason is very simple: all of that is indexed by search engines, and less clutter gives better hits. Since SE is a knowledge base, this is an important point." CreationDate="2018-10-26T09:37:31.163" UserId="64248" />
  <row Id="9112" PostId="5048" Score="2" Text="What’s going on with this particular user’s rep? The reputation graph shows multiple days with over 200 points from upvotes only, which should be impossible given the cap, even accounting for the discrepancies in the graphs generally, and the corrections..." CreationDate="2018-10-26T10:50:32.593" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="9113" PostId="5053" Score="2" Text="Hi and welcome to the site. This is &quot;Unix &amp; Linux ***Meta***&quot;. a palce where you can ask questions about how the main site &quot;Unix &amp; Linux&quot; works. I see your question was migrated here from the main site, because you started with what appeared to be a question about how the site works. I have removed the other, technical question to keep this post on topic here. Please ask the technical question over on [unix.se] separately. Sorry about this, I realize this sort of thing can be very confusing :/" CreationDate="2018-10-26T11:12:01.987" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9114" PostId="5048" Score="0" Text="@StephenKitt - looks like a couple of those days have bounties, other days I would assume that may in fact be a bug or an inability to deal w/ the deleting that's going on as a result of actions that SE has taken." CreationDate="2018-10-26T13:37:33.773" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="9115" PostId="5048" Score="0" Text="Oh, OK, the view I get only shows one bounty, on Oct 17. The rep view is quite buggy, it’s probably safe to assume it’s that rather than some other failing in the rep system ;-)." CreationDate="2018-10-26T13:41:39.617" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="9116" PostId="5048" Score="3" Text="I still find it very strange that the reputation increase is roughly linear (like most other users) until the 1st September when the rate abruptly changes to exponential (roughly) growth. Then, from the 18th September it hits the 200 daily cap but continues to consistently exceed this limit *every day* until the 18th October! That's a really bad bug in the reputation display system. :)" CreationDate="2018-10-26T15:44:40.820" UserId="22812" />
  <row Id="9117" PostId="5048" Score="0" Text="I see many users were hit by ricochet in this accident. Minus 6851 reputation is impressive result. Is this the the all time record lost on U&amp;L? Or even record on all SE sites?" CreationDate="2018-10-27T14:44:20.077" UserId="80886" />
  <row Id="9118" PostId="5048" Score="1" Text="@jimmij - yes this one was pretty bad, we've had others that were of similar size. I cannot say across the other SE sites, I would imagine there were likely ones larger." CreationDate="2018-10-27T21:12:44.207" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="9119" PostId="5053" Score="0" Text="@Anthony Geoghegan: Please note that, by editing this question ***from** the **Close Votes Review Queue**,* you bumped it out of the review queue. That’s the right thing to do when you can *fix* a bad question. You took an off-topic mess and made it less of an off-topic mess. But (IMO), it’s still not a clear question, and the parts that are semi-clear are too broad. If you find a mess in the Close Votes Review Queue and you want to clean it up (but you can’t really *fix* it), please open it in a new window and edit it there, so as not to mark the review as “completed”." CreationDate="2018-10-27T23:34:46.537" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="9120" PostId="5048" Score="1" Text="I took a closer look at this and don't understand something. I see that a number of accounts have been banned/removed, and all answers were stripped from reputation points to that questions. That's reasonable. However there are still many questions whose authors were not banned, but only answers of this particular user were unaccepted. That's inconsistent - either the original authors were involved and should be banned or, if they are not guilty, their decision whose answer to accept should be respected." CreationDate="2018-10-28T01:42:38.790" UserId="80886" />
  <row Id="9121" PostId="5048" Score="0" Text="Another thing is reputation from editing posts; do I read it correctly that it was reverted also for this user?" CreationDate="2018-10-28T01:54:59.620" UserId="80886" />
  <row Id="9122" PostId="5048" Score="0" Text="@jimmij - someone else said that, it's unclear with this much reverting which votes are from what." CreationDate="2018-10-28T03:52:53.340" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="9123" PostId="5054" Score="0" Text="I dont see how that answers the question; It ignores the question and scolds me with a verbose commentary." CreationDate="2018-10-28T07:00:00.137" UserId="317620" />
  <row Id="9124" PostId="5054" Score="2" Text="@openInvent Sorry, I just tried to explain why you couldn't comment, and to answer the question that you asked.  What question did I not answer?" CreationDate="2018-10-28T08:03:47.553" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="9125" PostId="5053" Score="1" Text="@G-Man When I came across this question, I saw that terdon had previously removed a big chunk of irrelevant text but had mistakenly left an imcomplete sentence that made no sense by itself – so I thought it would be fairly straightforward to remove that unfinished sentence.  I wasn't aware that editing from the Close Vote queue would unilaterally bump the question out of the queue. Had I known that, I wouldn't have done so (I probably would have voted to close had Kusulananda not already provided a good answer). Many thanks for the info on how to deal with such issues in the future." CreationDate="2018-10-28T14:03:59.993" UserId="22812" />
  <row Id="9126" PostId="5053" Score="1" Text="@AnthonyGeoghegan that's another &quot;one of those things&quot; that I learned the hard way here. I documented it for myself and for posterity, buried in the middle of this: https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/a/4490/117549" CreationDate="2018-10-29T17:06:52.337" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9127" PostId="5049" Score="2" Text="I mostly agree, but in this case I believe that OP did right with pointing it out here. This is is a Q&amp;A community, and many of the questions here help by far more people than just OP of the Q, so having good and accurate answers upvoted should be in favor of the entire community (and even those who are just stumbling upon the Q from googling a similar issue they have). When duckduckgoing a question that's on an SE network, the answer shown directly on the results page is always the most upvoted, by the way." CreationDate="2018-10-30T19:18:36.037" UserId="296862" />
  <row Id="9128" PostId="5057" Score="0" Text="apparently it was a transient error because I can now visit the question and I see my answer was posted." CreationDate="2018-10-30T21:42:36.207" UserId="114937" />
  <row Id="9129" PostId="5057" Score="3" Text="I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because the problem resolved itself." CreationDate="2018-10-30T22:05:09.997" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9130" PostId="5055" Score="1" Text="&quot;Most desktop PCs&quot; seems broad to me; it'd seem easier (to me) to answer given an actual PC to solve against, or at least a set of peripherals." CreationDate="2018-10-30T22:39:02.283" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9131" PostId="5055" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller &quot;at least a set of peripherals&quot; , If I reword my question to  &quot;How can I remove all initramfs modules that are not needed for most desktop PCs **boot from USB**&quot; is enough clear for you?" CreationDate="2018-10-31T06:39:50.977" UserId="259284" />
  <row Id="9134" PostId="5060" Score="0" Text="&quot;What happens if...&quot; I'm very sorry for so bad XY problem, my original question is &quot;How to ensure new PC support my using Debian before buy it in physical store&quot; but it seems still broad? I'm worry initramfs boot speed problem due I need test new PC in physical store. If my test too slow, I may be rejected by seller." CreationDate="2018-11-01T12:41:32.067" UserId="259284" />
  <row Id="9139" PostId="5062" Score="1" Text="Possibly related: https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4791/117549" CreationDate="2018-11-03T22:34:56.950" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9140" PostId="5064" Score="1" Text="It is very odd to me to equate &quot;high reputation&quot; with &quot;has cast many votes&quot; in the first place. Vote counts aren't even secret." CreationDate="2018-11-04T01:06:51.033" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="9142" PostId="5065" Score="8" Text="Do I win if I lost 262?" CreationDate="2018-11-04T14:56:57.373" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9143" PostId="5066" Score="1" Text="What are you looking for in this Meta question?" CreationDate="2018-11-04T17:08:59.433" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9144" PostId="5066" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller revision of my last 2 comments and discussion in the approach Gilles displayed. I think it's unjust to put this question on hold. IMO after all the &quot;mess&quot; this &quot;question&quot; went through I think at least some tips on how to improve it in its current form should be given there as a comment." CreationDate="2018-11-04T18:11:40.040" UserDisplayName="user149572" />
  <row Id="9145" PostId="5064" Score="3" Text="@JeffSchaller he was  ~5k last time I checked (after first accident, 2 weeks ago), but at that time he had already lost about 7k, so at some point he had at least 12k." CreationDate="2018-11-04T20:32:05.137" UserId="80886" />
  <row Id="9146" PostId="5067" Score="0" Text="Well, I wanted to delete the question but couldn't. I lost 12 rep points because of that lousy question. I can edit it, but it seems everyone have lost any interest in re-checking it after it is changed." CreationDate="2018-11-04T21:05:26.103" UserDisplayName="user149572" />
  <row Id="9147" PostId="5067" Score="2" Text="You may face an uphill battle, but it's not pre-destined to end in failure. Consider all the [valuable feedback](https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/479452/main-usages-of-mask#comment877004_479452) you've received and edit the question -- importantly! -- in one session, so that it re-enters the review queue. It will (hopefully) be seen by enough people who (hopefully) now agree that it's answerable and will vote to reopen it.  No need to leave a rant or trace of negative history in the question; the edit history is there for anyone to see, but the Question should be judged as it ends up." CreationDate="2018-11-04T21:11:08.463" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9148" PostId="5062" Score="1" Text="Thank you for sharing http://idownvotedbecau.se/. This website exposes a stinking flaw in StackExchange, which muted me on Meta.Stackexchange.com after **asking a question that had more upvotes than downvotes actually**. And wasn't there the rule _“Down-voting should be reserved for extreme cases”_?" CreationDate="2018-11-04T21:26:57.870" UserId="270469" />
  <row Id="9149" PostId="1219" Score="1" Text="I recommend that you remove that shiny red `status-completed` from this post, since it no longer completed nor fixed, but indeed **regressed** thanks to Mordor’s shiny new One-Font-To-Rule-Them-All ⁽ᵃⁿᵈ ⁱⁿ ᵗʰᵉ ᵈᵃʳᵏⁿᵉˢˢ ᵇⁱⁿᵈ ᵗʰᵉᵐ⁾ policy." CreationDate="2018-11-04T21:38:59.610" UserId="2649" />
  <row Id="9150" PostId="5067" Score="1" Text="I thank you so much for all that help dear Jeff. This is NOT common and I find this graceful, communal and inspirational. I really am full of gratitude ! I tried to edit the question providing `man bash` segments I didn't understand and ask a (hopefully) narrower question comprised of two sub questions." CreationDate="2018-11-04T21:39:33.920" UserDisplayName="user149572" />
  <row Id="9151" PostId="716" Score="1" Text="Looks like “this” bug has returned from the dead, thanks to the One-Font-To-Rule-Them-All responsivity theme.  But seriously, these are simply text figures. That’s how they are *supposed* to work. There is no bug. But probably you would do better with a face that had slashed zeroes. Courier? :)" CreationDate="2018-11-04T21:45:42.317" UserId="2649" />
  <row Id="9152" PostId="716" Score="0" Text="See please [this search for 0s](https://unix.stackexchange.com/search?q=0)." CreationDate="2018-11-04T21:52:37.687" UserId="2649" />
  <row Id="9153" PostId="1219" Score="0" Text="Grrr... Weird thing here is that it looks *great* on Android - 0 O o are all very distinct in size and shape. On Windows, 0 and o are very, very close in size and style. @tchrist" CreationDate="2018-11-04T21:54:36.893" UserId="5973" />
  <row Id="9157" PostId="5062" Score="2" Text="Within the Stack Exchange network, there's also [this Q&amp;A about X-Y problems](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/66377/what-is-the-xy-problem). Pointing to that might be better than pointing to an external site." CreationDate="2018-11-05T20:36:13.460" UserDisplayName="user4443" />
  <row Id="9159" PostId="5062" Score="0" Text="@drewbenn I see your point, but that Q&amp;A seems pretty noisy :-(. Lots of comments. And the other issue with using Meta for FAQs - it seems people want to write their own answers...  If I have a good answer that I use to describe the XY problem, I should link to the specific answer.  Not link to the page as if I expect them to read the whole page, or expect them to guess that I was pointing to the text of the currently highest voted answer." CreationDate="2018-11-06T18:44:37.610" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="9160" PostId="5068" Score="0" Text="Dare I ask who were the individuals?" CreationDate="2018-11-06T23:28:00.483" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="9161" PostId="5068" Score="3" Text="@Wildcard -  I'd rather not get into specifics. I mentioned it only b/c many have noticed it and I for one would like to know what's going on if I were on the other side of something like this. We all volunteer our time here and it's one of the worst feelings to have hard earned rep taken away. It's meaningless but still meaningful to those that earn it as some form of recognition for the time they donate to everyone on the Internet, IMO." CreationDate="2018-11-07T04:10:47.410" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="9164" PostId="5062" Score="0" Text="So attribution of the _chocolate-covered banana_ quote may be to [Mark-Jason Dominus](https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mark_Jason_Dominus)" CreationDate="2018-11-07T15:40:45.873" UserId="38598" />
  <row Id="9165" PostId="5039" Score="0" Text="[tag:gnu-install] is probably over-specific (there are other /usr/bin/install commands), but it is at least short and unambiguous..." CreationDate="2018-11-08T07:12:10.657" UserId="91565" />
  <row Id="9168" PostId="5062" Score="0" Text="For reference, the _chocolate-covered banana_ comparison was posted [more than 20 years ago (in 1995)](https://perl.plover.com/Questions.html) on a Perl programming newsgroup, at a time where Euro had not yet replaced [ECU](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Currency_Unit). It was [immortalized as a joke in 2007](https://jdebp.uk/FGA/put-down-the-chocolate-covered-banana.html)." CreationDate="2018-11-08T10:46:08.267" UserId="38598" />
  <row Id="9170" PostId="5062" Score="2" Text="@Cœur, yep, the latter is the page linked to in the comments this Q is about. The original you linked to actually makes sense, the other doesn't. Saying &quot;This sounds like trying to use a banana to fix a currency system; what are you actually trying to do in the end?&quot; is not at all the same as saying &quot;Put down the banana and the currency system&quot;. The first is obviously a satirical comparison, though probably a bit too absurd for the general public; while the latter is just totally disconnected from the subject (at least assuming an unix.SE subject, that is)." CreationDate="2018-11-08T10:48:07.763" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="9171" PostId="5065" Score="1" Text="I feel the second paragraph should be emphasized somehow, because that seems to be the case at hand." CreationDate="2018-11-08T11:37:29.847" UserId="106927" />
  <row Id="9172" PostId="5039" Score="0" Text="@Kevin this works for me, with the explanation text as you mention." CreationDate="2018-11-08T14:07:35.437" UserId="143394" />
  <row Id="9173" PostId="5062" Score="2" Text="@Cœur Yes, I am the originator of [the chocolate-covered banana example](https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.lang.perl.misc/wu0T7a9orc0/3Q4PVIbEzZUJ).  But I believe it was Greg Bacon who later named the phenomenon I described an &quot;XY problem&quot; and simplified the idea to &quot;You wanted to know about X, but asked about Y instead” from my more elaborate version from 1995." CreationDate="2018-11-08T17:00:08.057" UserId="21967" />
  <row Id="9176" PostId="5072" Score="3" Text="It seems to me the relevant demarcation is free vs proprietary software. Not commercial vs noncommercial. Since even Free Software is potentially commercial. I could put up an ad to sell copies of the GNU Emacs program for USD 1000 per license, and it would be perfectly legal, though only a lunatic would  buy it. In fact, something similar used to be an important source of funding for the GNU Project/FSF, though that was before the rise of the Internet." CreationDate="2018-11-08T17:36:11.157" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="9180" PostId="5075" Score="1" Text="[No it's not a wiki, and yes: it's part reddit](http://i.stack.imgur.com/XNhzr.png) **¯\\_(ツ)_/¯**" CreationDate="2018-11-08T19:53:35.553" UserId="90054" />
  <row Id="9181" PostId="5075" Score="5" Text="@Fabby Whatever you think it is, pasting memes as answers (or comments) is *not* going to make it better; it is an asinine proposal." CreationDate="2018-11-08T19:57:56.950" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="9182" PostId="5075" Score="0" Text="Can't delete the sole comment I left with that as the Q has been deleted in the meantime. I would've thought Bart Simpson would have made at least one person smile, but apparently I just make people frown, which was not the purpose. ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯" CreationDate="2018-11-08T20:03:32.880" UserId="90054" />
  <row Id="9183" PostId="5074" Score="3" Text="How would this help educate the poster on what is and what is not a good quality question for this site? How would it help them understand _why_ we don't want their question? How would it explain what is wrong with the question? How would it help the OP improve the question? It might make someone smile, but that won't be the OP." CreationDate="2018-11-09T11:03:48.627" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9184" PostId="5074" Score="1" Text="This would be completely inappropriate." CreationDate="2018-11-09T19:31:37.007" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="9185" PostId="5077" Score="0" Text="Is this better now?..." CreationDate="2018-11-10T02:53:38.063" UserDisplayName="user149572" />
  <row Id="9188" PostId="5080" Score="0" Text="A: [moderators or enough flags](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/99812/who-has-the-power-to-delete-a-comment)" CreationDate="2018-11-14T10:54:55.163" UserId="239817" />
  <row Id="9189" PostId="5078" Score="3" Text="I think the help center would say off-topic here: https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/dont-ask" CreationDate="2018-11-14T14:37:56.110" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9190" PostId="5078" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller  Do you mean that the underlying question (i.e. unix os recommendation) is off-topic for Unix SE, or that **this query** is off-topic for Meta-Unix SE?" CreationDate="2018-11-14T15:10:43.143" UserId="112507" />
  <row Id="9192" PostId="5080" Score="5" Text="Actually, after posting my answer I went back and checked out some of your comments. Just as a random example, statements like &quot;this answer is **GARBAGE**&quot; (emphasis yours) is neither playful not polite and is in fact in violation of the policy to be constructive, as well. So while most of your comments were removed because they weren't useful, some were removed because they were actively harmful too." CreationDate="2018-11-14T16:52:41.267" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9193" PostId="5078" Score="2" Text="Sorry for the confusion; I think asking about the main site's topics &amp; scope is on-topic here, but that opinion-based questions on the main site would be off-topic." CreationDate="2018-11-14T20:57:13.227" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9194" PostId="5080" Score="2" Text="Why don't you give the full content of that comment if you have access to it? (and the context, @goro's answer that was a comment on was unfortunately removed in the last purge). Also what does 'random example', 'most', and 'some' mean? If you're trying to imply that's just an example of a long series of abusive comments of mine and you're just picked one at random, that's a breathtaking LIE. Don't think you're the only one(s) with access to the history. Go on -- remove this comment too. &quot;Control the narrative&quot;" CreationDate="2018-11-15T01:51:21.913" UserDisplayName="user313992" />
  <row Id="9195" PostId="5080" Score="4" Text="Because I didn't want to get into this publicly. That was just a friendly nudge to let you know that some (that means not all) of your comments were rude (some were also flagged by users). I thought leaving a simple comment was better than going the &quot;official&quot; way. So I picked a random example of the rude ones (random here means the first one I saw) to show what I mean by rude. Finally, I clarified that while _some_ of your deleted comments were a bit unpleasant, _most_ (that means &gt;50%) were fine but were deleted because comments are regularly cleaned up as I explain below." CreationDate="2018-11-15T11:47:21.987" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9198" PostId="5081" Score="0" Text="I appreciate that you have contributed a lot to this site, including deleting inappropriate comments. Just let me ask for a favor. Please delete comments under my posts only if they are offensive or nontechincal. For example, I am looking back to review the technicalities in the comments from Stephen Kitt and me in https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/481821/in-awk-when-is-a-function-definition-executed, which I didn't understand this morning, but they are gone now. Maybe they are not important or helpful to you or most people, but they are to me. Thank you!" CreationDate="2018-11-16T04:49:50.940" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9199" PostId="5083" Score="0" Text="Thanks...  It is what it is..." CreationDate="2018-11-16T08:07:38.917" UserId="90054" />
  <row Id="9200" PostId="5081" Score="7" Text="@Tim I am afraid I can't do that. First of all, we usually don't know whose post it is, comments are flagged and we delete them accordingly. More importantly, comments should not be used for discussion like that. The comment thread you linked to was a perfect example of when you should have either taken it to chat or opened a new question." CreationDate="2018-11-16T10:18:32.707" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9201" PostId="5082" Score="9" Text="Yes, these are very good examples of comments whose tone isn't constructive. I don't understand what you think I am trying to spin here, but since you've posted them publicly, I will ask you again to be more careful with your tone in the future. If you feel something really was abusing the site, flag it for mod attention instead of accusing users of being bots. Even if you're right, we don't need that sort of atmosphere." CreationDate="2018-11-16T10:22:49.123" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9204" PostId="5072" Score="1" Text="@FaheemMitha I'm not convinced that the relevant criteria for you are also relevant to others. The vast majority of Linux users happily use *gratis* proprietary software, most probably do without even knowing." CreationDate="2018-11-16T14:04:16.073" UserId="106927" />
  <row Id="9206" PostId="5084" Score="1" Text="Yep, it all adds up to the impression: INT13, FreeDOS, their website which is stuck in TLS handshake (are they still using SSL?)... And yes, suggesting a tool in the answer absolutely makes it a vote about the tool and I don't see how it could be otherwise." CreationDate="2018-11-16T14:44:06.297" UserId="106927" />
  <row Id="9207" PostId="5085" Score="1" Text="&quot;It looks like this disk is not recognized by the OS as it looks like an 18 Exabyte disk to disks, a -512GB drive to parted, ... so you're down to hardware recovery&quot; &quot;2. If that fails, have a look at SpinRite: commercial software but much cheaper than step #3 and I've successfully used it to recover disks in this state in the past&quot;" CreationDate="2018-11-16T15:10:00.210" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="9208" PostId="5085" Score="1" Text="I don't worry too much about lseek(). the hardware doesn't see seek calls at all, only the kernel.  (each hardware operation includes the position, like pread() / pwrite()). the problem is better summarised by the hard drive reporting as -512 bytes long !" CreationDate="2018-11-16T15:13:36.047" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="9209" PostId="5085" Score="0" Text="`ddrescue` is mentioned specifically to call out this difference.  -1." CreationDate="2018-11-16T15:19:06.230" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="9210" PostId="5085" Score="1" Text="@sourcejedi Does &quot;this state&quot; referes to a particular state where the drive reports to have 18 Exabyte? Or any wrong size? Or simply have bad sectors? And I don't get your last comment, could you explain?" CreationDate="2018-11-16T15:24:25.850" UserId="106927" />
  <row Id="9212" PostId="5085" Score="0" Text="last comment in response to &quot;You mention ddrescue that the OP tried to use without success, but there is no comparison between ddrescue and SpinRite.&quot;  It sounded like you meant they should either not have mentioned ddrescue, or should have made a full comparison." CreationDate="2018-11-16T15:28:42.793" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="9213" PostId="5085" Score="0" Text="&quot;This looks like more than just a bad sector ... It looks like this disk is not recognized by the OS&quot;.  So I can easily tell it does not mean one bad sector or multiple bad sectors." CreationDate="2018-11-16T15:30:51.130" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="9214" PostId="5085" Score="0" Text="I am not OP so I don't know any more of their experience than what I have read (and to the extent I trust it, which is of course never 100%)." CreationDate="2018-11-16T15:32:00.537" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="9215" PostId="5085" Score="0" Text="@sourcejedi Not necessarily a full comparison (what is *full* exactly?), but at least some evidence that SpinRite works where `ddrescue` doesn't. Right now the answer tells me that they both worked for Fabby, which is not exactly an argument to try SpinRite." CreationDate="2018-11-16T15:32:12.857" UserId="106927" />
  <row Id="9216" PostId="5085" Score="0" Text="I interpret it the other way. I agree it is an extra-ordinary claim, and the answer could be improved by making the claim 100% unambiguous." CreationDate="2018-11-16T15:34:33.520" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="9217" PostId="5085" Score="0" Text="(That is, clarifying the answer to say which interpretation was intended.  I don't assume OP has records available that would provide further evidence for what their memory says)." CreationDate="2018-11-16T15:37:12.803" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="9218" PostId="5083" Score="1" Text="**I took out the reference to SpinRite.**" CreationDate="2018-11-16T16:31:56.367" UserId="90054" />
  <row Id="9219" PostId="5084" Score="2" Text="**I took out the reference to SpinRite.**" CreationDate="2018-11-16T16:32:05.730" UserId="90054" />
  <row Id="9220" PostId="5085" Score="2" Text="**I took out the reference to SpinRite.**" CreationDate="2018-11-16T16:32:26.727" UserId="90054" />
  <row Id="9221" PostId="5078" Score="0" Text="I believe you could make your question on-topic if you come up with a very specific criterion of a certain &quot;killer feature&quot; you want in your distro, e.g. &quot;what modern Linux distributions have long-term support for longer than X years?&quot; Although at that point a simple Google query would likely suffice to answer it." CreationDate="2018-11-16T18:12:16.653" UserId="217523" />
  <row Id="9222" PostId="5072" Score="1" Text="@DmitryGrigoryev When it comes to software, it's the really significant distinction, whether users recognize it or not." CreationDate="2018-11-16T19:45:27.013" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="9223" PostId="5078" Score="0" Text="@undercat Thanks, I do consider this issue tricky.  I have decided to live with Fedora for another year and hope that frequent upgrades/re-installs stop being required.  Ultimately, although I *could* provide specific details, what I am actually  looking for is **opinions** rather than technical analysis.  While the opinions of the UnixSE pro-s are valuable, a year from now I can probably elicit them from another site, if needed." CreationDate="2018-11-17T23:07:03.960" UserId="112507" />
  <row Id="9224" PostId="5078" Score="0" Text="Fedora won’t stop suggesting frequent updates; it’s a frequently-updated, fast-moving distribution. If you want a distribution with infrequent upgrades, you should look somewhere else. (Re-installs are another issue, Fedora shouldn’t require that at all.)" CreationDate="2018-11-19T13:28:09.977" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="9225" PostId="5078" Score="0" Text="@StephenKitt I consider Fedora's frequent updates **good** and Fedora's 13 month end-of-life policy **bad**.  Further, I think the issue of re-install vs upgrade is very tricky.  I recently did a full re-install (from Fedora 26) to Fedora 29.  During this re-install, both VirtualBox and Sabnzbd needed **special handling.**  I don't see how Fedora.Org developers can anticipate/test every potential special handling situation from 3rd party software.  Given that I am an outside observer totally ignorant of the inner mechanics of a Fedora *upgrade*, I question how it handles special situations." CreationDate="2018-11-19T13:53:27.947" UserId="112507" />
  <row Id="9226" PostId="4567" Score="0" Text="Please note that I have deleted the examples of rudeness directed at you which you had cited in your question. You are quite right, those were not cool and not acceptable. Next time, do please flag them as abusive so we can see and delete them faster." CreationDate="2018-11-19T16:42:15.357" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9232" PostId="5091" Score="0" Text="Good point. Unix &quot;buffer cache&quot; is used to provide both buffering and caching. But there's a number of other important things that [buffer] might mean in our context, even if the term had not also become obsolete in the narrower context of Linux kernel development." CreationDate="2018-11-20T15:15:15.430" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="9233" PostId="5091" Score="0" Text="IMO the question is what does this site most need. 1) If [buffer] was removed from all Q's that are only about the [cache] features, would we find some use for the [buffer] tag? 2) Alternatively, if we wanted to label everything with a [buffer] tag that was relevant to the current tag description (maybe renaming it [kernel-cache]) - is that useful &amp; realistically maintainable, when we already have tags like [cache], [kernel], [linux] etc. ?" CreationDate="2018-11-20T15:23:38.180" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="9234" PostId="5087" Score="0" Text="Hey I will answer the question and attach all that information into the body of the question but I would need some guidance on how to do it properly. I couldn't get the formatting to work due to `#` making the next line **bold**." CreationDate="2018-11-20T15:42:47.220" UserId="313551" />
  <row Id="9235" PostId="5087" Score="0" Text="@PowerBossNautilus there's a code-formatting button that looks like `{}`" CreationDate="2018-11-20T15:56:57.060" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="9236" PostId="5087" Score="0" Text="I am aware of that button and that it's possible to mark code with ``. The problem is that it actually doesn't work for my kickstart file contents. I'll attach a screenshot-https://i.imgur.com/0nPPnKe.png. Only the first line is seen as `code`. I also tried prefixing and suffixing the text with `. Same result." CreationDate="2018-11-20T16:05:18.903" UserId="313551" />
  <row Id="9237" PostId="5087" Score="0" Text="@PowerBossNautilus you select the code before pressing the button.  The button indents the code - adds 4 spaces at the start of each line - which makes it a code block in markdown formatting.  Since you asked for help with this, I've applied my suggestion as an edit." CreationDate="2018-11-20T16:11:41.020" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="9239" PostId="5079" Score="2" Text="SpinRite was made by a well-known fraud and scammer and makes claims which do not jibe with the actual known physical behavior of hard drives." CreationDate="2018-11-21T04:10:31.010" UserId="277264" />
  <row Id="9240" PostId="5083" Score="1" Text="Actually, all you were doing was changing sectors marked as damaged to undamaged, which is very risky. So yes, it has &quot;repaired&quot; failed drives, but only by tricking the drive into thinking it was no longer failing. You've only did a disservice to yourself by using this snakeoil. BTW, you can do the same thing it does with `hdparm`. The only difference is that the latter warns you very severely that marking bad sectors as good is very very dangerous." CreationDate="2018-11-21T04:40:25.323" UserId="277264" />
  <row Id="9241" PostId="5087" Score="0" Text="I managed to install the system using kickstart, I found exactly which parameters were preventing the installation and ways to correct that + some lazy workarounds. I'm ready to post the answer. I need guidance with one more thing: every comment under that question is related to me probably not having network defined, no network connectivity etc. which turned out to have absolutely nothing to do with the issue as the network is working fine. The only flaw is bad kickstart file. What to do with these comments since it appears that they would be just wasting time of a potential reader." CreationDate="2018-11-21T17:51:01.577" UserId="313551" />
  <row Id="9242" PostId="5087" Score="1" Text="@PowerBossNautilus excellent question. If you can write a complete question and answer, but the comments would become outdated, you can hopefully use the flag button on the first outdated comment. (grey button on the left side of the comment). You then get to specify a reason, &quot;out of date&quot; is one reason, or you can explain it in a few words if you click &quot;other&quot;.  I've flagged a couple of times on other people's answers where old comments have got in the way, and the moderators generally agreed with me.  Comments are secondary on this site, it's expected that they can be deleted quite easily." CreationDate="2018-11-21T17:59:42.077" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="9243" PostId="5087" Score="0" Text="I posted the answer. I flagged the oldest comment that every other comment is a consequence of. If it will get removed will all the others follow aswell? It is offtopic but I can't create meta posts not related to my question yet." CreationDate="2018-11-22T17:18:18.793" UserId="313551" />
  <row Id="9244" PostId="5092" Score="3" Text="[See this question on meta.SE](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/170427/394700)" CreationDate="2018-11-22T20:22:31.123" UserId="297343" />
  <row Id="9245" PostId="5092" Score="0" Text="Also relevant: [Flag and close my own question](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/176386)." CreationDate="2018-11-23T09:36:22.567" UserId="310237" />
  <row Id="9246" PostId="130" Score="0" Text="`[file-command]` was not shown as a suggestion when I typed `[file]`. I had to search on meta to find the right tag, which I did finally did after sumbling upon this question." CreationDate="2018-11-24T14:51:19.643" UserId="217242" />
  <row Id="9247" PostId="4640" Score="0" Text="It's perfectly fine to ask about Kali Linux on Stack Exchange, just not on U&amp;L Stack Exchange." CreationDate="2018-11-24T16:15:58.057" UserId="259023" />
  <row Id="9248" PostId="5016" Score="0" Text="Probably nit-picking, but: The [average English word (by word use) length seems to be 5.1 characters](https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+english+word+length). So, a little bit less than **30** words are needed for a title of 150 characters. :-)" CreationDate="2018-11-25T16:52:26.787" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="9249" PostId="5096" Score="1" Text="Don't quote me, but I believe there are situations where Answers are converted to comments, perhaps by moderators." CreationDate="2018-11-25T22:34:07.553" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9250" PostId="5096" Score="4" Text="https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/214173/why-do-i-need-50-reputation-to-comment-what-can-i-do-instead" CreationDate="2018-11-25T23:23:58.670" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="9253" PostId="5096" Score="1" Text="I'd like to post @muru's link as a community-wiki answer and accept it, but it's automatically converted to a *comment*. How ironic." CreationDate="2018-11-25T23:37:49.953" UserId="28235" />
  <row Id="9254" PostId="5096" Score="3" Text="@n.st if you post just the link, that's considered a trivial answer. You can post a relevant excerpt instead." CreationDate="2018-11-26T00:22:10.517" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="9255" PostId="5095" Score="3" Text="Another 300 rep and you'll be able to see that OP did post two answers, each as rambling as the question, which got downvoted and was deleted by the OP." CreationDate="2018-11-26T03:36:06.140" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="9256" PostId="5095" Score="2" Text="Similar discussion on Meta SU: [OP edited question substantially after answer(s) were posted](https://meta.superuser.com/q/9514/354511). I think I've seen others; perhaps on [Meta Stack Exchange](https://meta.stackexchange.com)." CreationDate="2018-11-26T06:22:40.797" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="9257" PostId="5095" Score="4" Text="I think that question in particular has come up several times by the same user too. when a user keeps moving the goalposts, I let it go, downvote and move on. Edits should be used for improving and not as a means to avoid moderation of new, weaker questions." CreationDate="2018-11-26T08:33:55.763" UserId="138261" />
  <row Id="9258" PostId="5078" Score="0" Text="You haven't mentioned anything about what you are looking for in a Linux Distrobution. What requirements do you have? If Fedora's length of support bothers you, maybe look into a Long Term Support distro like CentOS, or Ubuntu." CreationDate="2018-11-26T14:09:16.003" UserId="139546" />
  <row Id="9259" PostId="5078" Score="0" Text="@TimothyPulliam &quot;...maybe ...LTS...like...&quot;.  *Maybe.*  Since Cinnamon atop Fedora is stable, I am comfortable with Fedora and reluctant to change.  Since Fedora is frequently updated, with rolling releases, it is clearly being robustly supported by the **volunteer** community of linux developers; this robustness also makes it attractive.  Having just completely re-installed to Fedora 29, in 12 months, either Fedora will have changed its end-of-life policy, or I will have to experiment (for the first time) with upgrading from Fedora 29 to Fedora 30." CreationDate="2018-11-26T14:32:15.797" UserId="112507" />
  <row Id="9260" PostId="5078" Score="0" Text="@TimothyPulliam If no change to Fedora's end-of-life policy and I become unhappy with the upgrade process, then I will have to abandon ship. It would not be sensible to stay with a product that is forcing me to spend 8 hours re-installing once a year." CreationDate="2018-11-26T14:34:15.800" UserId="112507" />
  <row Id="9263" PostId="5078" Score="0" Text="So if I understand your comment about upgrading from Fedora 29 to 30, you’re annoyed because Fedora forces you to re-install every year, but you’ve never tried upgrading?" CreationDate="2018-11-28T06:46:24.983" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="9264" PostId="5097" Score="1" Text="I’m not sure; quoting the [tour](https://softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/tour): “Good software recommendation requests have two components: a purpose (a task to accomplish, a user story) and some objective requirements (a minimum set of features). Please read our [question quality guidelines](https://softwarerecs.meta.stackexchange.com/q/336/23677) before asking for a recommendation.” I don’t think this particular question meets the criteria." CreationDate="2018-11-28T09:41:14.620" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="9265" PostId="5096" Score="1" Text="@n.st - yeah I'd just copy/paste excerpts from that A'er here if you want and be sure to link that meta Q/A as the source in your A'er." CreationDate="2018-11-28T15:23:52.790" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="9266" PostId="5078" Score="0" Text="@StephenKitt exactly, though I question the adjective *annoyed.*  My internet research uncovered the upgrade problems of others; my impression was that in general, the user had done nothing wrong.  Also, my intuition, based on my **limited** personal experience, is that fedora developers **can not** anticipate 3rd party software or hardware problems.  By definition, a re-install is **always** more reliable than an upgrade.  See next comment." CreationDate="2018-11-28T23:38:05.377" UserId="112507" />
  <row Id="9267" PostId="5078" Score="0" Text="@StephenKitt two examples: (1) see my nov 18, 2018 posting at http://nuxref.com/nuxref-repository/.  (2) Apparently, as of 2 weeks ago, VirtualBox did not yet have a Fedora 29 repo ready yet.  Interesting that **simultaneously, the Fedora 29 (full install) **involuntarily** included two VirtualBox guest-addition pieces.  This means that I am going to wait a couple of months for the VirtualBox Fedora 29 repo, and **then** post a query both on this forum and Fedora.org questioning whether I should **first back out the pieces installed by Fedora 29.**  How could an upgrade handle sabnzbd &amp;/or VB?" CreationDate="2018-11-28T23:44:13.770" UserId="112507" />
  <row Id="9268" PostId="5097" Score="0" Text="@StephenKitt  Please consider that we have actually exceeded the boundaries of this meta-query; I intended only to ask whether the underlying subject was a fit topic for unixSE, **not to discuss/debate the topic in unix.metaSE.**  My impression is that a good percent of the unixSE audience  do **not** think this is a fit topic; I regard that reaction as **very reasonable.**  Anyway, I have abandoned the topic for at least 12 months." CreationDate="2018-11-28T23:49:51.983" UserId="112507" />
  <row Id="9269" PostId="5097" Score="0" Text="@lsusr Thanks for your answer, which I **upvoted**.  In this bizarre situation, I don't think that it is my place to **accept or reject** your answer." CreationDate="2018-11-29T00:30:22.497" UserId="112507" />
  <row Id="9270" PostId="5100" Score="0" Text="I would imagine it is okay for regular people without special obsession with such little power." CreationDate="2018-11-29T22:32:25.973" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9271" PostId="5100" Score="2" Text="@Tim It has nothing to do with *power*, it is all about *quality*." CreationDate="2018-11-29T22:35:55.437" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="9272" PostId="5100" Score="0" Text="It has more to do with democracy than quality" CreationDate="2018-11-29T22:38:55.310" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9273" PostId="5100" Score="0" Text="@Tim That's a quaint notion." CreationDate="2018-11-29T22:44:31.193" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="9274" PostId="5100" Score="0" Text="I don't know what you mean by &quot;quaint&quot;. But I imagine it is  not hard for a person to understand my last comment, if they advocate democracy." CreationDate="2018-11-29T22:46:02.647" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9275" PostId="5100" Score="7" Text="@Tim I don't see what democracy has to do with anything but, since you mention it, restricting the ability of people to vote is very much undemocratic. Those who voted to close are most certainly the ones who are best placed to decide if the edits have changed the question enough for them to change their minds. So no, they should not refrain from voting. I have often voted to reopen after an edit was made. That said, I have also reopened your question since it does seem clear enough. By the way, the main answer is: no, screen doesn't give you much on a local machine, why should it?" CreationDate="2018-11-29T23:53:00.773" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9276" PostId="5099" Score="0" Text="Would you claim that revision #4 after the post was closed was a substantial enough change to warrant reopening after being voted closed?" CreationDate="2018-11-30T00:43:58.397" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9277" PostId="5099" Score="2" Text="I admit a desire to close all your posts. Just kidding. I desire to close posts that aren't clear or answerable and to keep those same posts closed. I also desire to vote questions and answers up and down to indicate quality and usefulness. Sorry?" CreationDate="2018-11-30T00:45:53.053" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9279" PostId="5024" Score="1" Text="@JeffSchaller It depends on the 3rd party javascript.  In this case I am assuming that Stackexchange is using google's reCaptchas.  My firewall blocks google owned IP addresses. Hence the sentence of my question." CreationDate="2018-11-30T10:44:06.860" UserId="42008" />
  <row Id="9280" PostId="5095" Score="1" Text="In addition to downvoting and moving on, maybe comment that the question has been *substantially* edited so much that the question is no longer clear?  I've seen questions where the number of edits just to make it coherent English - without changing the question being asked - are huge." CreationDate="2018-11-30T16:33:40.403" UserId="64961" />
  <row Id="9281" PostId="5095" Score="0" Text="I've deleted answers where this has happened; I'm not gonna play games with people like this.  I do like the idea of adding a comment so the OP and others are aware of the massive scope change." CreationDate="2018-12-02T03:13:57.883" UserId="168757" />
  <row Id="9282" PostId="5092" Score="0" Text="I've flagged my own answer, in the past, when an incorrect answer has been accepted.  Once I realised the answer was wrong I flagged it, so a moderator could delete it." CreationDate="2018-12-02T03:18:02.043" UserId="168757" />
  <row Id="9283" PostId="5095" Score="0" Text="@muru Yes, he posted two answers, one he removed himself, the other was removed by a moderator. But still, the point is that the user should be told (informed) that his actions are incorrect (harmful to the site IMO). I even believe that moderators (or a process of voting by the community) should be able to block additional edits. That should be helpful to the site. The block may be limited to an specific (problematic?) user, or users below a certain reputation. What do you think?" CreationDate="2018-12-02T03:33:14.973" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="9284" PostId="5102" Score="11" Text="You can already ignore tags; I heartily recommend adding some for your sanity, (*cough* [tag:kali-linux])..." CreationDate="2018-12-02T03:43:36.060" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="9285" PostId="5102" Score="0" Text="Ah... yes, that's definitely a tag I need to ignore.  Thanks :-)" CreationDate="2018-12-02T03:45:00.997" UserId="168757" />
  <row Id="9296" PostId="5103" Score="3" Text="Heh, the first variation of the story I heard was to do with stuffed bears... but I understand the ISO standard is to use a rubber duck :-)  I don't think there's a POSIX spec for this!" CreationDate="2018-12-03T00:15:04.027" UserId="168757" />
  <row Id="9297" PostId="5097" Score="0" Text="@user2661923 I wasn’t trying to discuss the topic here, I was trying to determine the real scope of your question." CreationDate="2018-12-03T09:34:05.370" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="9298" PostId="5105" Score="4" Text="&quot; there might be some technology difficulty of keeping every post's existence and visibility...&quot; It's called a *blog*." CreationDate="2018-12-03T19:43:55.627" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="9299" PostId="5102" Score="0" Text="I am greying out tags, and I know you can ignore users...at least in chat and comments. Not so sure about posts" CreationDate="2018-12-03T20:27:41.657" UserId="138261" />
  <row Id="9300" PostId="5095" Score="0" Text="@user2066657 The English of my top posts tends to get small corrections over time...." CreationDate="2018-12-03T20:31:14.100" UserId="138261" />
  <row Id="9303" PostId="5109" Score="2" Text="Nothing. It's good to see someone clean up after themselves." CreationDate="2018-12-04T21:12:20.303" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="9306" PostId="5112" Score="0" Text="The &quot;live&quot; search function has quite a few helpful features, too -- for instance, for #7 I think this is close: https://unix.stackexchange.com/search?q=user%3A674+is%3AQ+answers%3A0+closed%3Ayes+locked%3Ano+duplicate%3Ano+score%3A-99..0" CreationDate="2018-12-05T14:57:15.060" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9312" PostId="5109" Score="1" Text="@jasonwryan that's not always true. Duplicates can often be useful as signposts pointing others to the solution. That was a perfectly decent question and might help someone find the answer if they happen to search for the right terms." CreationDate="2018-12-05T20:15:16.600" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9313" PostId="5109" Score="0" Text="@terdon I'm sure we'll cope with {1..100} fewer questions about quoting in bash or text processing. Signposts are not cost neutral." CreationDate="2018-12-05T21:37:55.777" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="9314" PostId="5109" Score="0" Text="@jasonwryan sure, I'm not saying it's the end of the world, but I do feel that duplicates do more good than harm. It's very hard to know what will be useful in the future or what search terms a user might choose to use. And keeping the dupes around causes no harm: they're closed and they still point you in the right direction." CreationDate="2018-12-05T21:40:14.233" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9315" PostId="5109" Score="0" Text="@terdon Yep, I'm not arguing against dupes *per se*; but there are definitely tags where they are less than helpful." CreationDate="2018-12-05T21:58:19.503" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="9316" PostId="5095" Score="0" Text="muru is misleading here (maybe not on purpose); the second answer was posted after I edited the deleted one **without knowing it was deleted** because my browser was kept open for about two days. Only when I saw I edited a deleted answer (by a caching conflict), I republished a slightly better (yet still bad) answer and then deleted it myself as I felt the question should be improved. This is the worst question I ever asked here, not because of the downvoting, but because the amout of edits. I personally feel it was a comedy of mistakes." CreationDate="2018-12-07T14:00:44.803" UserDisplayName="user149572" />
  <row Id="9317" PostId="5115" Score="0" Text="What, for examples, would seem relevant to you to be published on DevOPs SE on the first place?" CreationDate="2018-12-07T14:53:06.223" UserDisplayName="user149572" />
  <row Id="9318" PostId="5115" Score="2" Text="@JohnDoea no idea. I don't know their scope, and I don't even really know what &quot;devops&quot; means. I just know what's on topic here." CreationDate="2018-12-07T14:56:37.103" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9319" PostId="5102" Score="5" Text="&quot;In all that time I've not asked a single question. Mostly because I've 30 years of Unix experience and the couple of times I started a question I worked out the answer (&quot;talk to the bear&quot; methodology).&quot; — I really hope you will start **posting and self-answering questions** in these cases.  Or at least that you'll consider that possibility." CreationDate="2018-12-07T21:42:35.607" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="9320" PostId="5117" Score="0" Text="Or am I being too cautious and it doesn't really matter?" CreationDate="2018-12-09T10:42:43.680" UserId="90054" />
  <row Id="9321" PostId="5117" Score="2" Text="Smokey isn't relevant here, it has no access to flags." CreationDate="2018-12-09T14:28:01.313" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9324" PostId="5108" Score="0" Text="Sorry, but I have to disagree. Yes, some editing is good, extended edit should probably be allowed IMO. But continuous editing (everyday) over 23 **days** (46 edits) to add more and more additional incorrect issues each time is not, by any measure, good behavior, and even maybe not with a positive intention." CreationDate="2018-12-11T09:19:13.387" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="9326" PostId="5108" Score="0" Text="So: *Should there be a limit to the amount of **positive** change*? Sure, no. But *Should there be a limit to the amount of **negative** change*? Sure, yes. The real problem is how could we differentiate between the two !!! Seems like the Judge quote **I know it [obscenity/pornography] when I see it.** [Please read](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_know_it_when_I_see_it)" CreationDate="2018-12-11T09:25:57.427" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="9327" PostId="5108" Score="0" Text="I suppose it comes back to timing for me. If someone has answered &quot;the&quot; (a?) (clear) question, then subsequent changes to the Question should not invalidate the answer(s). It's of course, a gray area when the OP thinks that they are clarifying their own question; in this case, I'd also ask whether the Answerer understood the question when the OP seems not to have! If the question isn't clear, it should be closed until it's clear. That's where our hard-working reviewers come in! Again, since most closed questions stay closed, it behooves the OP to put their best foot foward." CreationDate="2018-12-11T16:30:40.860" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9328" PostId="5126" Score="1" Text="Nice. Answered that, as this kind of topic is all about the will of Microsoft to implement something, and the will of the user to navigate inside the WSL github and check if it's working :) - https://superuser.com/a/1382953/210242" CreationDate="2018-12-12T13:10:16.763" UserDisplayName="user34720" />
  <row Id="9329" PostId="5126" Score="1" Text="@nwildner I'm glad you answered. I migrated since I felt it had a better chance of being answered there, but in general, I think people using the standard tools on WSL can ask here." CreationDate="2018-12-12T13:15:22.177" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9330" PostId="5102" Score="0" Text="@RuiFRibeiro only in chat. You can't ignore comments by specific users, as far as I know." CreationDate="2018-12-12T13:16:27.323" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9331" PostId="5126" Score="6" Text="I wouldn't call it &quot;a Linux system&quot;, but a &quot;Linux-like environment&quot; (much like Cygwin). AFAIK, there is no Linux kernel, and there are Linux-related kernel-related _things_ missing." CreationDate="2018-12-12T20:07:06.193" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="9332" PostId="5120" Score="0" Text="Interesting....  thanks!" CreationDate="2018-12-13T12:29:22.970" UserId="168757" />
  <row Id="9333" PostId="5129" Score="0" Text="I honestly don't know if that's &quot;covered&quot; by the redesign team or by the android-app / ios-app team. I'd recommend posting that on Meta Stack Exchange with one of those -app tags and the &quot;design&quot; tag to get the right person's attention" CreationDate="2018-12-16T14:02:17.670" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9334" PostId="5129" Score="2" Text="Nothing's going to change on the apps; they stopped development on it." CreationDate="2018-12-16T17:16:20.133" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="9335" PostId="5128" Score="0" Text="I liked previous design better (without left sidebar). Also generally colors should be a bit darker for my taste. Here is old related (in one small bit) question: https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4075/icons-of-the-badge-counts" CreationDate="2018-12-17T13:06:07.647" UserId="80886" />
  <row Id="9336" PostId="4991" Score="0" Text="@G-Man But you are never like wikipedia" CreationDate="2018-12-21T14:50:18.520" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9337" PostId="4991" Score="0" Text="@RichieHH well said. I wish I can upvote it more than once." CreationDate="2018-12-21T14:51:51.187" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9338" PostId="5129" Score="0" Text="@muru that logo is probably loaded from an API though, right?" CreationDate="2018-12-21T17:26:40.620" UserId="29146" />
  <row Id="9340" PostId="5130" Score="14" Text="How do you see into the minds of voters to claim that their intentions are &quot;malicious&quot;? Or that they derive &quot;mental pleasure&quot; from clicking an arrow?" CreationDate="2018-12-21T18:25:26.680" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="9341" PostId="5130" Score="0" Text="Can you prove that their votes are benign and not seem random at all, and they suffer mental pain but still admirably cast those votes, and their incentives of mistreating other people is to give themselves mental pain?" CreationDate="2018-12-21T18:41:24.237" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9342" PostId="5130" Score="15" Text="No, it is not incumbent to me to prove the votes have any emotional quotient at all; *you* have asserted they are malicious, so the burden of proof falls to you. That is how it works." CreationDate="2018-12-21T20:52:49.627" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="9344" PostId="5130" Score="13" Text="There is no &quot;proof&quot; anywhere in your post. You are happy to play the victim, but feel no compunction baselessly accusing other people here of bad faith." CreationDate="2018-12-21T22:01:00.940" UserId="6761" />
  <row Id="9346" PostId="5130" Score="0" Text="By the way, can you sound less erudite?  I have to google to know what you mean, or I just ignore your comments." CreationDate="2018-12-22T02:43:37.177" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9349" PostId="5130" Score="14" Text="Tim, I'm finding these posts &amp; comments lately all a bit worrying. Are you doing ok? It's just a meaningless Q&amp;A site, the points don't matter." CreationDate="2018-12-23T01:20:22.727" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="9350" PostId="5130" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHomer It is not about reputation, you should know that already. It is about huge waste of  time and efforts, wrestling with meaningless bureaucratism created by power lovers and human torturers and attention seekers, worsening  already very bad situations..." CreationDate="2018-12-23T01:26:08.347" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9351" PostId="5130" Score="9" Text="Yeah, it's the &quot;already very bad situations&quot; that I'm concerned about and that they're getting worse. Are you all right? Nothing on this site is actually important. Just take care, ok." CreationDate="2018-12-23T01:30:14.513" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="9352" PostId="5130" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHomer Thanks for asking. If I am all right, would I have so much time spending here trying to improve my knowledge?" CreationDate="2018-12-23T01:30:43.880" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9353" PostId="5132" Score="0" Text="Relating in: https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4016/117549" CreationDate="2018-12-24T15:18:49.297" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9354" PostId="5133" Score="0" Text="Yeah, the &quot;conflict&quot; option is the closest... but I balked at the &quot;clearly&quot; part :-)    It's good to know I'm not the only one not sure what to do!" CreationDate="2018-12-25T15:04:38.190" UserId="168757" />
  <row Id="9356" PostId="5136" Score="1" Text="Thanks; I'll keep that in mind next time something like this comes along!" CreationDate="2018-12-30T02:23:37.187" UserId="168757" />
  <row Id="9357" PostId="5132" Score="4" Text="The official guidance is to approve anything that improves the post." CreationDate="2018-12-30T02:48:32.947" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="9358" PostId="5128" Score="0" Text="Reviewing the list again, I don't see anything I'm itching to change. It's unfortunate that [badge icons](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4075/icons-of-the-badge-counts?noredirect=1&amp;lq=1) are missing from the list -- that's something I'd like to see here." CreationDate="2019-01-04T01:26:41.647" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9359" PostId="455" Score="0" Text="That link now leads to a page that says, &quot;On May 12th 2014, the API v1.0 and v1.1 endpoints were shutdown.&quot;" CreationDate="2019-01-06T19:19:34.587" UserId="158988" />
  <row Id="9361" PostId="5139" Score="1" Text="Except that the longer and more specific explanation is also unnecessary, since the question itself implies that the concept of &quot;a user&quot; is already known. Even with that longer phrase, we can't stop anyone from giving broader background information in answers, if they want to do that." CreationDate="2019-01-07T10:28:41.260" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="9362" PostId="5138" Score="18" Text="Kudos for using the edit history to attempt to understand the reason for the edits. Ideally, all edits of other people’s posts should explain the reason for the changes in the Edit Summary." CreationDate="2019-01-07T10:30:34.227" UserId="22812" />
  <row Id="9363" PostId="5137" Score="0" Text="/me figures users destroyed by contact with some unfree software. It looks like complaints about comments and answers give moderators a lot of work!" CreationDate="2019-01-07T12:39:43.263" UserId="59808" />
  <row Id="9366" PostId="5139" Score="8" Text="@ilkkachu You can't stop anyone from doing anything they want (within the rules, naturally) -- but that doesn't mean a snippet defining the scope of the question isn't valuable. One of the main goals of SE sites is to reduce the duplication of knowledge. In this case, there are certainly *much* better introductions to the concept of a UNIX user than what would have been warranted to answer my original Q. // I've gone ahead and made your suggested edit, thanks!" CreationDate="2019-01-08T17:31:32.543" UserId="28980" />
  <row Id="9367" PostId="5138" Score="2" Text="@AnthonyGeoghegan Ideally :-) I'm glad that the requirement is a bit heavy-handed for newer users (otherwise the review queue would be a lot more challenging), but it seems to be easy to fall out of practice :-)" CreationDate="2019-01-08T17:33:18.997" UserId="28980" />
  <row Id="9368" PostId="5144" Score="2" Text="Both of those edits seem fine to me. Even in looking at the metaSO about acceptable editing." CreationDate="2019-01-09T03:49:03.883" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="9371" PostId="5144" Score="2" Text="Neither of those edits is a particular improvement to the answer and both make it *worse* in significant ways (the first doesn't really seem to understand what it's working with, and the second builds on that but is also poorly spelled). Revision 4 is at best misleading in ways the previous revision was not. There could have been better edits that would have achieved reasonable improvements but these are definitely questionable." CreationDate="2019-01-09T04:33:42.397" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="9372" PostId="5144" Score="4" Text="Could you clarify what is wrong with the edits? To me, they look like good faith attempts to improve the question. I agree with Michael that they didn't really succeed, largely because of language problems, and they should probably be rolled back, but I don't see what general rule they break. Also, note that that is one edit, not two. One of the users ho approved the original edit chose &quot;improve edit&quot; when reviewing the edit suggestion." CreationDate="2019-01-09T09:18:13.587" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9373" PostId="5144" Score="1" Text="Wow, I thought I’d rejected that edit, and [I had](https://unix.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/277228) — the editor submitted the exact same edit again!" CreationDate="2019-01-09T10:03:29.663" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="9374" PostId="5144" Score="1" Text="@terdon the above changes the “good faith” nature of the edits somewhat :-/. They were no doubt made in good faith the first time, but I would have hoped for some improvement the second time round..." CreationDate="2019-01-09T10:27:25.927" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="9375" PostId="5144" Score="2" Text="I [rejected](https://unix.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/277313) this suggestion (the second time it was proposed) because I didn’t consider the phrase “To start with” to be particularly problematic. I also thought that turning sentences into bullet points actually disimproved readability (though I appreciated the thinking behind the rest of the edit)." CreationDate="2019-01-09T14:47:52.610" UserId="22812" />
  <row Id="9376" PostId="5141" Score="4" Text="This is a good answer. Instead of self identifying details we should add detail that identify the known and unknown. e.g. &quot;I know that a *nix user is ___ but what is____? &quot; There have been a number of times when a well asked question on a similar topic has helped me reason out a solution because the asker understood the topic better than I did." CreationDate="2019-01-10T18:34:17.047" UserId="31982" />
  <row Id="9377" PostId="5141" Score="2" Text="On the other hand, flagging that a particular concept is familiar may help answerers avoid heading off in the wrong direction." CreationDate="2019-01-14T09:01:37.430" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="9378" PostId="5147" Score="0" Text="Wow. I'm surprised, and somewhat disappointed, that resource-recommendation questions are off-topic. I didn't know that and I must say I disagree with some of the reasons given in that Meta question. [Physics SE](https://physics.stackexchange.com/), for example, has a tag dedicated to resource recommendations, and it doesn't seem to cause any problems there. However, if it is U&amp;L policy, then I have no choice but to comply." CreationDate="2019-01-17T20:07:20.950" UserId="257802" />
  <row Id="9379" PostId="5147" Score="0" Text="@Time4Tea the problem is mostly that any answers will be [not an answer](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/225370/203101) since they will be directing people to where an answer can be found rather than to the answer itself. Also, note that even Physics only allows such questions if they [follow very strict guidelines](https://physics.meta.stackexchange.com/a/4698/29425). It's a perfectly good question for [/dev/chat](http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/26/dev-chat) though!" CreationDate="2019-01-17T20:25:19.840" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9380" PostId="5147" Score="0" Text="They would be answers, if the question is specifically asking for a resource. If Physics allows it under strict guidelines, why could the same not be done here? I'm not suggesting that all SE sites should work the same way, but if it seems to work on Physics, that suggests that some of the concerns voiced about it in that question are perhaps unfounded." CreationDate="2019-01-17T20:33:16.307" UserId="257802" />
  <row Id="9381" PostId="5147" Score="0" Text="@Time4Tea if you feel that way, please open a meta discussion or post an answer on the existing one. However, you would have to demonstrate that it actually provides a benefit to the Physics community (that it exists doesn't mean anything by itself) and, more importantly, make the case for why it would be useful here. Bear in mind that, unlike Physics, you don't really get many cases where there can be a single, authoritative work on a subject." CreationDate="2019-01-17T20:35:43.320" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9382" PostId="5147" Score="0" Text="And, when a single, authoritative source of information exists, there also exists an exception: from [What topics can I ask about here?](https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/on-topic): &quot;_The only exception is questions about where to find official documentation (e.g. POSIX specifications)_&quot;. (Ok, half joking here)." CreationDate="2019-01-17T20:40:03.040" UserId="315749" />
  <row Id="9383" PostId="5148" Score="0" Text="Physics is certainly an exception. List questions are off topic pretty much network-wide ([1](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/158809/203101), [2](https://stackoverflow.blog/2010/11/23/qa-is-hard-lets-go-shopping/))." CreationDate="2019-01-17T20:40:40.760" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9384" PostId="5148" Score="0" Text="And yes, not being able to find resources is absolutely a problem (and one we all face). However, it isn't a Question (with a capital Q, in the sense of SE). The answers will not be Answers, but only answers linking to various places where the actual Answer (if you need technical docs, you need them to answer some question) can be found. We want to be the place you come to to get Answers, not pointers to where Answers can be found. So instead of encouraging posts that ask for directions to where an answer can be found, we want posts that ask for answers that we can give here." CreationDate="2019-01-17T20:41:43.397" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9385" PostId="5148" Score="0" Text="Finally, one of the most important features of the SE system is that everything is editable. Which means that answers that are out of date can be fixed and brought up to date. This is much easier to do with Answers, that provide a technical solution than it is with answers with broken links where you need to find an equivalent link." CreationDate="2019-01-17T20:43:08.250" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9386" PostId="5148" Score="0" Text="@terdon to address your points in turn: [Mathematics](https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/online-resources) and [Music](https://music.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/learning-resources) both also allow questions requesting external resources. So, these questions are not off-topic network-wide." CreationDate="2019-01-17T21:02:56.183" UserId="257802" />
  <row Id="9387" PostId="5148" Score="0" Text="fair enough. Let's say they're off topic by default unless the local community has decided otherwise. But that's why I said &quot;pretty much&quot; :)" CreationDate="2019-01-17T21:04:05.580" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9388" PostId="5148" Score="0" Text="@terdon many of the questions that have been asked and answered on the other sites I linked to show that such questions can be tackled effectively in the SE format. So, I have to disagree with you there." CreationDate="2019-01-17T21:05:33.150" UserId="257802" />
  <row Id="9389" PostId="5148" Score="0" Text="@terdon I'd say the fact that answers are editable by the community is actually more of a reason why these questions *should* be allowed. Because any broken links can easily be fixed by the community, so the concern about stale links is less of an issue. Btw, I'm not suggesting that questions should be allowed where someone has been lazy (i.e. not done their research) and there are obvious resources available that they haven't bothered to look for. But, in cases (like mine, I believe), where the poster has searched hard for a resource and found nothing, imo they should be allowed." CreationDate="2019-01-17T21:10:06.597" UserId="257802" />
  <row Id="9390" PostId="5148" Score="0" Text="Agreed, that the questions can become obsolete [is not a main issue](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2642/how-do-we-feel-about-requests-for-learning-materials/5148?noredirect=1#comment2500_2642) for me either. The main problem is the rest of the points raised in this Q&amp;A." CreationDate="2019-01-17T21:17:19.817" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9391" PostId="5147" Score="1" Text="I have posted [an answer](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/a/5148/257802) in the other question about resource-requests, as I disagree with the policy." CreationDate="2019-01-17T21:24:36.693" UserId="257802" />
  <row Id="9392" PostId="2659" Score="0" Text="Resource recommendation questions are allowed on [Physics](https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/resource-recommendations), [Mathematics](https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/online-resources) and [Music](https://music.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/learning-resources). There are many examples there that show such questions can work effectively in the SE format." CreationDate="2019-01-17T21:41:20.123" UserId="257802" />
  <row Id="9393" PostId="2646" Score="0" Text="-1 because there are cases where reference material is not easy to find, in which case not being able to find it is most definitely a problem (and such questions should be allowed). Not all reference material is easy to find, especially for obscure or somewhat outdated topics. However, I agree that 'lazy' questions should be closed, if there are obvious resources available that the OP hasn't bothered to search for. I also agree with your third paragraph." CreationDate="2019-01-17T21:46:34.620" UserId="257802" />
  <row Id="9394" PostId="5147" Score="2" Text="@Time4Tea thank you for taking the time to do so. I may not agree, personally, but the discussion is worth having." CreationDate="2019-01-17T21:57:01.127" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9395" PostId="5138" Score="0" Text="@SeanAllred ... your comment is not about the question ... it is about you and your learning curve and/or conceptual understanding of and with UNIX.  I cannot see at all how telling the SE community your 'level' with UNIX is important.  It was as if you were pleading for &quot;big kid&quot; answers, so you were like ... &quot;hey guys, I know some UNIX.&quot;  It is not a forum for that ... if you need to define scope, then define it objectively and cite sources or definitions if needed.  respectfully, imho" CreationDate="2019-01-18T06:23:30.293" UserId="91218" />
  <row Id="9396" PostId="5139" Score="0" Text="@SeanAllred ... your follow up and clarification define the scope.  The original comment does nothing except relay to users that you have an idea about two terms, i.e., sysadmin and concepts ... does that mean sysadmin does not contain basic concepts? ... or, that basic concepts do not include sysadmin ... after you reading your clarification about how you thought it defined scope, I reread it and was wondering how that conveyed any of that ... I do not think your clarification is consistent with the original comment." CreationDate="2019-01-18T06:26:57.110" UserId="91218" />
  <row Id="9397" PostId="5139" Score="0" Text="@SeanAllred ... you almost did the same thing with this post, when at the end, you stated how long you have been on SE, as if longevity in and of itself, is what matters.  But then, you caught yourself on this one and instead of self gratification, you mentioned that you were familiar with &quot;the rules.&quot;  If so, then why does this bug you still?  I am chiming in because I hate my posts being edited (honestly), but I do get it ... just my perspective to help.  ;)" CreationDate="2019-01-18T06:28:34.717" UserId="91218" />
  <row Id="9398" PostId="5148" Score="0" Text="Requests for learning material for U&amp;L would, I believe, degenerate into replies of the type &quot;I've used _this random website_&quot;, &quot;I've used _these_ random blog posts&quot;.  The topic of Unix is such that there are literally thousands of sub-par sites with all sorts of weird and wonderful code (bad, fragile, unsafe).  This, I believe, is different from Physics, Maths, and Music." CreationDate="2019-01-18T07:52:24.370" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="9399" PostId="5148" Score="0" Text="@Kusalananda I don't see why that would happen any more than for those other sites. There are sub-par references all over the internet for every topic. Besides, sub-par references would get voted down (as they should - SE mechanism doing its thing). Also, even a 'bad' reference can be very helpful, if there is literally nothing else. I've seen enough 'bad' Linux man pages ;-)" CreationDate="2019-01-18T11:06:57.183" UserId="257802" />
  <row Id="9400" PostId="5149" Score="1" Text="Ahah, oops! We were moving some image assets around and I messed this one up." CreationDate="2019-01-18T18:36:36.860" UserId="305932" />
  <row Id="9401" PostId="5151" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the fix. And a huge thank you to whoever changed the background to remove those distracting little dots we used to have!" CreationDate="2019-01-19T12:02:26.983" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9402" PostId="5151" Score="0" Text="@terdon it looks like the dots are gone from the main question section, but they're still behind the outside edges (left nav, top, bottom, etc).  Just in case there was an intentional removal, it was incomplete." CreationDate="2019-01-21T17:28:07.373" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9403" PostId="5151" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller ah crud, yes, they're back. They were gone for a while which was very pleasant." CreationDate="2019-01-21T18:58:15.613" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9404" PostId="5153" Score="12" Text="I also think there is a growing problem of down vote abuse in this site and the system should find creational ways to deal with this awful problem. I just opened a meta thread about down voting abuse in a well phrased and well formatted question I opened here." CreationDate="2019-01-23T01:15:27.003" UserDisplayName="user149572" />
  <row Id="9409" PostId="5153" Score="3" Text="I think I have seen a question similar to mine here regarding the same problem a long time ago. I just don't understand the point of downvote abuse. Where is the fun in that?" CreationDate="2019-01-23T09:51:47.013" UserId="310480" />
  <row Id="9410" PostId="5153" Score="4" Text="In fact this meta question also had one downvote for some time" CreationDate="2019-01-23T09:52:27.460" UserId="310480" />
  <row Id="9412" PostId="5153" Score="4" Text="I faced a similar problem with closing votes. Two of my questions were closed. The first with a single critical comment (but unsure if the commenter even voted for closing!). The second one *without any* comment; some closing votes even came after I had accepted an answer! For this one I got it reopened without difficulty by flagging it for moderator attention. I think closing votes and question downvotes should be conditioned to making a comment beforehand. EDIT: I'm not a very new user (&gt;1000 rep)." CreationDate="2019-01-23T10:41:48.860" UserId="151676" />
  <row Id="9415" PostId="5153" Score="0" Text="I see 2 of your questions on the main site, one of them has score 0, the other has score 1. These two questions don't seem bad for me. Did you delete your downvoted questions?" CreationDate="2019-01-23T11:34:09.700" UserId="52236" />
  <row Id="9416" PostId="5153" Score="3" Text="Suggested edit for this question. &quot;downvoting without explanations do happen in StackOverFlow as well&quot;." CreationDate="2019-01-23T11:40:13.023" UserId="298812" />
  <row Id="9417" PostId="5153" Score="0" Text="@peterh No, these are the questions that were downvoted. There got more upvotes than downvotes so it became alright, but if you see my reputation chart, you will see the downvotes are there" CreationDate="2019-01-23T11:43:27.773" UserId="310480" />
  <row Id="9418" PostId="5153" Score="0" Text="@AnthonyGeoghegan this was just the issue I was facing. I thought I was doing something wrong. If you feel this is a duplicate, you can vote to close this. I still feel that this question serves some purpose in illustrating how common this problem is." CreationDate="2019-01-23T11:46:27.690" UserId="310480" />
  <row Id="9419" PostId="5153" Score="0" Text="@evilMinion, maybe. I did not face anything as such on SO. Some people were very harsh, and rude, but at least they did tell me where I was going wrong, which I think is important and that is not happening here" CreationDate="2019-01-23T11:48:11.763" UserId="310480" />
  <row Id="9420" PostId="5156" Score="0" Text="This is a demonstration post to indicate how this should look when an ad is posted. It also doubles as your twitter ad, but it's up to you if you wish to promote it by voting" CreationDate="2019-01-23T11:54:24.160" UserId="93139" />
  <row Id="9421" PostId="5153" Score="3" Text="@Yuki.kuroshita , well I experienced that myself in SO. Sadly I do not have proof as those questions were eventually deleted. I wish more people are aware of these netiquettes https://medium.freecodecamp.org/5-steps-to-become-a-better-stack-overflow-user-4ce85711c0f9  In this article he specifically mentions to write comments,especially when you downvote a question." CreationDate="2019-01-23T11:57:23.830" UserId="298812" />
  <row Id="9422" PostId="5153" Score="21" Text="Please note that leaving a comment when downvoting very often opens the downvoting user to abuse. I almost always leave comments, and I very often need to deal with retaliatory downvtes or aggressive comments, complaints etc, which completely ignore the reasons I gave for downvoting. So while I get that it can be annoying to receive a downvote without a comment, one should also remember that leaving a comment when downvoting is rarely considered useful and usually is taken as an attack. Unfortunately." CreationDate="2019-01-23T12:01:43.090" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9423" PostId="5153" Score="2" Text="@terdon First of all, kudos for your habit of leaving comments,explaining the downvotes. If you downvote (with a proper reason,hopefully) and provide a clear explanation to the downvote,and Still the others decide to attack that,then the problem is with them and not you right? We often get criticized for trying to do the right thing, but should we stop doing them because of that? ;)" CreationDate="2019-01-23T12:07:53.133" UserId="298812" />
  <row Id="9424" PostId="5153" Score="4" Text="I understand that some people can be irrationally abusive toward people trying to help them. But I think improving the quality of questions on this site (or anywhere else on stack exchange for that matter) comes first. If someone is verbally abusive, we can just walk away. And also there is also the option of never mentioning that you downvoted. One can just mention what is wrong. Someone who takes this as constructive will edit the question accordingly and the downvotes will automatically stop. The poster also never finds out who downvoted but gets to know what was wrong with the question." CreationDate="2019-01-23T12:11:53.463" UserId="310480" />
  <row Id="9425" PostId="5153" Score="2" Text="@evilMinion, the link you shared is pretty much what I am feeling" CreationDate="2019-01-23T12:17:11.197" UserId="310480" />
  <row Id="9427" PostId="5157" Score="5" Text="If the only fix you found was reinstalling, you can just post an answer saying that and accept it. Or I can close the question as non-reproducible (since a reinstall fixed it, it was probably something very specific to your setup and unlikely to help future users)." CreationDate="2019-01-23T13:45:19.710" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9429" PostId="5153" Score="0" Text="I think that till a proper lasting solution is found, we could all just comment what is wrong with the question along with the downvote, but never mention that we did downvote it." CreationDate="2019-01-23T20:07:16.437" UserId="310480" />
  <row Id="9430" PostId="5158" Score="0" Text="Okay. I usually clarify the questions in the comments. I will remember to integrate all the suggestions people say in the comments into my questions." CreationDate="2019-01-23T23:23:52.097" UserId="310480" />
  <row Id="9431" PostId="5158" Score="0" Text="And in the question about .profile, my question, if you give it a thorough read (I admit it is very long) it is whether it is advisable to do something like that through script." CreationDate="2019-01-23T23:27:10.853" UserId="310480" />
  <row Id="9432" PostId="5158" Score="0" Text="In the progress bar question, I thought my question was valid, as I wanted as general a solution as possible, like without installing anything extra. People did say that it would be difficult to do it, but it was possible as one person answered, which is the accepted answer. I realise that I should have added all the concerns people raised in the comments into the questions themselves." CreationDate="2019-01-23T23:37:06.190" UserId="310480" />
  <row Id="9433" PostId="5158" Score="0" Text="I will edit the questions as required soon. And my point was exactly that I did not have a problem with the downvotes, my problem was with the lack of an explanation. This answer which you have given here, had it been present on the original questions, would have told me right then and there what was wrong and I would have made the questions better." CreationDate="2019-01-23T23:42:09.947" UserId="310480" />
  <row Id="9434" PostId="5157" Score="2" Text="@terdon thank you. After closing the question,will the users be able to view that and its comments in the future? Because I feel it's like 'intellectual theft' to post the gist of the comments as the answer and then accepting it myself and I'd rather see the question closed and let it be visible for anyone." CreationDate="2019-01-24T07:48:57.147" UserId="298812" />
  <row Id="9435" PostId="5162" Score="11" Text="There are people who get a bit ... evangelical ... or maybe over-protective ... about the SO/SE Q&amp;A format. I have received many downvotes that I think are undeserved, and I think one reason is that some people use them to punish people for providing answer to questions they think are &quot;unworthy&quot;. Again, you just need to shake it off and move on with your day." CreationDate="2019-01-24T13:47:58.533" UserId="4667" />
  <row Id="9439" PostId="5162" Score="4" Text="Today I learned that &quot;evangelical&quot; carries negative connotation." CreationDate="2019-01-24T14:46:14.907" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9442" PostId="5153" Score="16" Text="@Yuki.kuroshita if you leave a comment on a post that has a downvote, the OP will assume you downvoted 9 times out of 10. This has happened to me _very_ often. More importantly, you have posted 2 questions and each received one downvote. Don't you think you might be exaggerating when you say your questions &quot;keep getting downvoted&quot;? I mean, all it takes is one user having a bad day to cast two downvotes. I don't see how you can draw any conclusions from only 2 data points." CreationDate="2019-01-24T15:24:02.893" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9443" PostId="1233" Score="0" Text="'you can flag comments as obsolete after making the edit'.As per my knowledge,you cannot flag your own comments." CreationDate="2019-01-25T08:42:00.547" UserId="298812" />
  <row Id="9445" PostId="1233" Score="3" Text="@evilMinion Well, you can just *delete* your own comments." CreationDate="2019-01-25T12:05:11.737" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="9447" PostId="5153" Score="0" Text="@JohnDoea's Can you post a link to your meta post? (Or least indicate which site it was posted on (not on this meta site?).)" CreationDate="2019-01-27T21:43:05.517" UserId="8284" />
  <row Id="9453" PostId="5153" Score="0" Text="@PeterMortensen I already deleted it after it itself was downvoted and marked as a &quot;duplicate&quot;. Go figure. I am outta here..." CreationDate="2019-01-28T01:25:37.297" UserDisplayName="user149572" />
  <row Id="9454" PostId="3989" Score="0" Text="@jasonwryan I don't necessarily [buy that logic](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_tradition). Also, if we go back far enough, the first glyphs were really emoji (at least in Sumeria/Egypt)." CreationDate="2019-01-28T02:30:22.560" UserId="18887" />
  <row Id="9460" PostId="5153" Score="0" Text="I have a question here which got downvoted and voted to be closed within minutes of me posting the question without an explanation about why it has been downvoted and voted to be closed: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/497287/how-do-i-connect-to-a-qnap .  Unsure what I did wrong.  Question is about accessing a NAS device from a Linux machine." CreationDate="2019-01-28T21:02:38.897" UserId="4430" />
  <row Id="9461" PostId="5158" Score="5" Text="Regarding editing, I wrote [this](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/q/5036/80216#5037) three months ago: … … «Imagine you wrote a paper for school, or a report for your job, and you got it back with a note “Not good enough — try again.”  Would you resubmit the same paper with corrections scribbled in the margins and a pile of yellow sticky notes on it?  Of course not.  You would rewrite the entire paper to be coherent, with a logical sequence and structure.  You would include all the information that needs to be there, probably just once, at an appropriate level of detail.»" CreationDate="2019-01-30T04:15:16.510" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="9462" PostId="5162" Score="0" Text="Although I agree that &quot;it's not about you&quot;, it should be about *the* question. &quot;This question is not useful&quot;" CreationDate="2019-01-30T04:22:24.683" UserId="296692" />
  <row Id="9463" PostId="5153" Score="1" Text="A solution could be quotas for downvotes. Max 4 pr week. Perhaps more if high reputation. Some see themselves as some sort of police or curators to keep the quality of questions high. Might stem from frustration of not being able to give constructive answers. (Of course some questions deserves to be downvoted. Badly written/unintelligible ones)" CreationDate="2019-01-30T14:46:50.273" UserId="201039" />
  <row Id="9464" PostId="5153" Score="0" Text="I've noticed, these past couple of months, what _looks_ like a systemic &quot;close unclear&quot; type of behaviour.  When I see these I'll most likely vote to keep open.  I have to wonder if someone has felt slighted by users of this site and is performing an active campaign to try and break it." CreationDate="2019-01-31T01:22:02.273" UserId="168757" />
  <row Id="9465" PostId="5153" Score="0" Text="@oshirowanen if I had seen that question I'd probably have voted for closing because it looks more like a QNAP operational question than a Unix question, with the client not being specifically relevant." CreationDate="2019-01-31T01:24:31.860" UserId="168757" />
  <row Id="9466" PostId="5166" Score="9" Text="Seems a reasonable idea, to me!  Have an upvote :-)" CreationDate="2019-01-31T01:35:34.143" UserId="168757" />
  <row Id="9467" PostId="5146" Score="0" Text="I voted to close that question because, as asked, there could easily be a 50 page document written to answer it.  It involves a lot of concepts all brought together, with a fair amount of history to make sense of it all.   Sometimes a question is just that much bigger than the person asking it realises!" CreationDate="2019-01-31T01:45:07.663" UserId="168757" />
  <row Id="9468" PostId="5167" Score="1" Text="It was [status-declined](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/196383/307535) a few years ago, unfortunately." CreationDate="2019-01-31T14:29:56.903" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9469" PostId="5166" Score="5" Text="I would suggest putting the differentiator *first*, e.g. `kickstart-anaconda` and `r-anaconda` (or whatever makes more sense for the Python/R one)." CreationDate="2019-01-31T15:15:01.310" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9470" PostId="5166" Score="8" Text="(the idea being that if the user starts typing &quot;anaconda&quot;, both tags show up, but the leading portion quickly distinguishes them); compare with going to https://unix.stackexchange.com/tags and searching for &quot;script&quot;" CreationDate="2019-01-31T15:24:25.653" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9472" PostId="5162" Score="4" Text="When you say &quot;small hit&quot; to reputation, keep in mind that the &quot;small&quot; is a relative term, and felt much more by @Yuki.kuroshita, at a rep of ~200, as opposed to one in your echelon with a reps 50,000+.  For someone who is trying to ask a good question, it's especially bothersome." CreationDate="2019-02-01T22:36:39.600" UserId="65874" />
  <row Id="9473" PostId="5158" Score="0" Text="Yes, as G-man said, please don't add &quot;Edit&quot; or &quot;Update&quot; sections! Just edit directly and re-write the question as though you had the information there from the beginning. There is no need to show what is new and what was there before, we have the edit history for that. The questions you post here might be read by someone many years later, and they don't need to know that this paragraph is an &quot;Edit&quot;, they just need to be able to read the question clearly." CreationDate="2019-02-02T11:10:20.710" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9474" PostId="5153" Score="1" Text="@terdon Excellent point.  The system should could avoid much of that kind of retaliation by preventing a user who was downvoted publicly (ie, the downvoter left a comment) from downvoting any of that user's posts for 48 hours or something like that..." CreationDate="2019-02-02T20:18:55.603" UserId="38051" />
  <row Id="9475" PostId="5153" Score="0" Text="@Jonah The problem with your automatic retaliation cooldown block is that some of us comment on downvoted posts without downvoting ourselves. (I think I only have a critic badge on one site.) I personally don't think I've gotten downvoting retaliation, but that could just be due to the users seeing I don't have the critic badge on that site, so I couldn't have downvoted them. Are you suggesting someone who received any downvotes can't downvote my stuff for 48 hours after I comment on what I think they might do to improve their post? Because your comment doesn't read quite like that to me." CreationDate="2019-02-03T03:16:43.003" UserId="329452" />
  <row Id="9476" PostId="5153" Score="0" Text="@EdGrimm I was saying that they wouldn't be able to downvote any person who had both downvoted them and commented.  Though honestly, the site is large enough that I don't think it would even matter if they were simply disallowed from downvoting anyone who had commented, period (if for some reason that was easier to implement)." CreationDate="2019-02-03T03:44:07.423" UserId="38051" />
  <row Id="9477" PostId="5153" Score="0" Text="@Jonah I'm not talking about ease of implementing. As a friendly helpful person who has only downvoted a single post in all of stack exchange as far as I can remember I would feel VERY left out if the protection you suggested was implemented as you suggested and I got retribution downvoting because either I'd tried to be helpful on Writing SE (the one place I found someone actually said something I felt was worth downvoting that one time) or because the person I'd tried to help didn't take the time to notice it couldn't have been me that downvoted them." CreationDate="2019-02-03T03:59:02.587" UserId="329452" />
  <row Id="9478" PostId="5153" Score="0" Text="@EdGrimm I'm not following.  No matter which was it was implemented, you as a commenter who never downvotes would have either more protection or the same as you have today (ie, none).  But as I said, I think protecting *all* commenters would be a perfectly fine (and possibly better) strategy too." CreationDate="2019-02-03T04:03:02.243" UserId="38051" />
  <row Id="9480" PostId="5153" Score="0" Text="@Jonah I understand I don't have that protection now. And, thus far, it's worked fine for me. But if you're putting in a system to protect the guilty who admit it, it would seem reasonable to have it protect the innocent who comment on a mission of mercy as well. I have not had the opportunity to comment on a heavily downvoted post on Writing SE since I found the one post to downvote. Heavy downvoting doesn't seem to be as much of a thing there, and it was a relatively recent thing. But the thing I'm asking is to just not put in one of your conditions, so it'd be easier to protect both." CreationDate="2019-02-03T04:41:44.437" UserId="329452" />
  <row Id="9481" PostId="5153" Score="0" Text="@EdGrimm As I said in the last post, that's a perfectly reasonable request that I'd support." CreationDate="2019-02-03T04:52:15.857" UserId="38051" />
  <row Id="9482" PostId="5169" Score="0" Text="You didn't have to ask for permission. You can point any one." CreationDate="2019-02-03T16:03:51.290" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9484" PostId="5170" Score="1" Text="OK, editing my answer... Thanks!" CreationDate="2019-02-03T21:02:23.460" UserId="90054" />
  <row Id="9485" PostId="5169" Score="0" Text="Well, I was wondering and apparently better ask for migration." CreationDate="2019-02-03T21:20:02.953" UserId="90054" />
  <row Id="9486" PostId="5172" Score="0" Text="shamelessly stolen from previous years" CreationDate="2019-02-06T15:40:46.680" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9488" PostId="5173" Score="0" Text="shamelessly copied from [previous years](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/a/4769/117549)" CreationDate="2019-02-06T15:54:01.570" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9489" PostId="5174" Score="0" Text="Because I couldn't resist plugging my favorite line-oriented and scriptable editor." CreationDate="2019-02-06T17:07:45.373" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9490" PostId="5175" Score="0" Text="That's weird. I just double checked and the `sh` tag is correctly set to highlight with &quot;lang-sh&quot;. Maybe it's the lang-sh that's broken. I will try changing the default for `sh` to `lang-bash` and see if that helps." CreationDate="2019-02-06T18:56:53.097" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9491" PostId="5176" Score="3" Text="The two tags had different format options specified: lang-sh and lang-bsh. The code formatting script considers them the same, but the SE logic which applies them does not - so it reverted to the default formatter. The default formatter thinks C-style comments are super cool and everyone uses them all the time. By changing the tags to use the same option, you resolved the ambiguity - changing them both to lang-sh would also have worked." CreationDate="2019-02-06T21:23:50.460" UserId="5973" />
  <row Id="9492" PostId="5176" Score="1" Text="@Shog9 oooh! Thanks for the update!" CreationDate="2019-02-06T21:27:49.600" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9493" PostId="5176" Score="1" Text="@Shog9, haa, interesting, thanks!" CreationDate="2019-02-07T11:26:33.213" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="9494" PostId="5176" Score="1" Text="@terdon, there's still the [tag:shell] tag that has `lang-sh`, so if I get this right, the conflict can arise again if that's used with e.g. [tag:bash]. If `lang-sh` and `lang-bsh` are the same with the actual formatting, maybe all three should be changed to `lang-sh` (or `lang-bsh`, but I think `sh` is clearer). The [tag:zsh], [tag:ksh] etc. tags don't seem to have languages set, so they shouldn't be an issue." CreationDate="2019-02-07T11:29:27.523" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="9495" PostId="5175" Score="0" Text="Apparently, we've been here before, this question from 4.5 years had the exact same issue: [Why prettify mistakes `/*` as comment for “shell script”](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/q/2948/170373) (just noticed that from the Related questions list)" CreationDate="2019-02-07T11:37:11.400" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="9496" PostId="5176" Score="1" Text="@ilkkachu thanks, I just changed that to `lang-bsh` as well. I agree that `lang-sh` would make more sense but since many were already set to `bsh`, it was easier to change the rest as well." CreationDate="2019-02-07T11:38:06.427" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9498" PostId="5177" Score="6" Text="From the [MSE FAQ](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/126857/241919): &quot;*Please **do not** try to get help on this issue on meta or by flagging for a moderator. All they will do is tell you to wait for the voting fraud script to run (they can't run it for you just this once).*&quot; ... or, did you expect for the serial downvoter to be suspended?" CreationDate="2019-02-08T15:45:28.370" UserId="90391" />
  <row Id="9499" PostId="5177" Score="0" Text="@AndrewT. I do. In fact, I asked it a while ago here on meta." CreationDate="2019-02-08T15:46:41.390" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9501" PostId="5178" Score="8" Text="Note that when a recently closed question is edited, it is automatically put in the reopen queue. The idea is to put the questions on hold until they are edited and the problems addressed. You may be right, but in order to see this, you need to see how many of these questions that are put on hold end up being reopened." CreationDate="2019-02-08T16:41:32.623" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9502" PostId="5179" Score="4" Text="(*some* of your questions attract downvotes)  - of the 44 [tabs of Tim's questions](https://unix.stackexchange.com/users/674/tim?tab=questions), only a few had negative total scores" CreationDate="2019-02-08T16:50:06.307" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9503" PostId="5166" Score="2" Text="`python-anaconda` might perhaps be a better tag for the Python one. It might be mainly Python+R focussed just now, but these things tend to have a habit of scope creep?" CreationDate="2019-02-08T16:50:33.613" UserId="216430" />
  <row Id="9504" PostId="5179" Score="0" Text="Jeff, There are many posts with net negative votes. Even for those posts not, that is because there are many awesome users who know what is right and wrong and try to counteract the massive amount of downvotes. Dragging the discussion to net votes is to diverge the attention away from the abuse problem." CreationDate="2019-02-08T16:53:24.770" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9505" PostId="5180" Score="2" Text="But would the OP come back if their question is closed, and I didn't think that somebody with my privileges, can edit a closed question, also I didn't realise their was an intermediate state, *on hold*." CreationDate="2019-02-08T16:58:17.873" UserId="31760" />
  <row Id="9506" PostId="5180" Score="7" Text="@XTian: I think in most cases OP doesn't come back regardless of whether their question is closed or not.  However sometimes (very rarely) they do and will either clarify their question (even more rare) or become hostile in comments." CreationDate="2019-02-08T17:02:12.297" UserId="237982" />
  <row Id="9507" PostId="5179" Score="5" Text="@Tim I'm sorry, but there simply is _no evidence of abuse_ here." CreationDate="2019-02-08T17:06:29.400" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9508" PostId="5179" Score="0" Text="Thanks for writing it out." CreationDate="2019-02-08T17:08:41.063" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9509" PostId="5179" Score="3" Text="@Tim note that you have indeed received votes that have been invalidated in the past. But those were caught by the system and undone. If they are not undone, then there is no evidence of targeting." CreationDate="2019-02-08T17:11:16.363" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9510" PostId="5179" Score="2" Text="I was trying to say that the bulk of Tim's questions were up-voted as &quot;useful and clear&quot;, a portion were net-zero, and a minority were voted &quot;not clear or useful&quot;." CreationDate="2019-02-08T18:28:52.200" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9511" PostId="5179" Score="4" Text="Yes, according to [this dirty little dataSE query](https://data.stackexchange.com/unix/query/978207/up-and-down-vote-count-for-user?UserId=674) I whipped up, @Tim has a total of 5552 upvotes and 1231 downvotes." CreationDate="2019-02-08T19:23:37.797" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9513" PostId="5179" Score="0" Text="@terdon  The number already shows how bad it is. Moreover, you have to include massive number of deleted posts. Moreover, you have to focus on the period since the abuse happened" CreationDate="2019-02-08T19:35:45.760" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9514" PostId="5179" Score="5" Text="@Tim as I said, since I have no way of seeing who votes for you, I have no idea when anything started. And, as I also said, SE (who can see) have told me there is no evidence of anyone targeting you. When someone does, their votes are reversed. If they aren't reversed, then there is no targeting. I am afraid the simple truth is that many users find your questions deserving of a downvote. Your overall count is still way higher for upvotes." CreationDate="2019-02-08T19:44:20.447" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9515" PostId="5179" Score="0" Text="@terdon SE fault detection algorithm is not god! Don't use it as an excuse for not admitting the real damage! Since when that happen? let me tell you at least two to three years ago.  A lot of posts have been automatically deleted, because of downvotes and close votes. You analyzed the data in a skewed way." CreationDate="2019-02-08T19:46:07.553" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9516" PostId="5179" Score="16" Text="@Tim this is getting really tiring. You have decided you are being targeted. The best data I have available show you are not being targeted. If that isn't good enough for you, then there is nothing I can do." CreationDate="2019-02-08T19:46:55.527" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9518" PostId="5181" Score="0" Text="All you wrote is false: &quot;you're assuming that the votes are without merit.&quot; &quot; I've often thought that you were merely asking these simpleton questions as an approach for amassing rep, which breaks no rules&quot; &quot; I've found them lacking in effort to solve things for yourself first.&quot;" CreationDate="2019-02-09T00:21:38.740" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9519" PostId="5181" Score="0" Text="You repeatedly asked me to accept your answers in the past when you were eager to expand your reputation and impact, but I didn't think your replies explained to the point that I could understand, so I didn't." CreationDate="2019-02-09T00:22:42.830" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9520" PostId="5181" Score="8" Text="Well with in your rights, and not germane to the point of this discussion." CreationDate="2019-02-09T00:24:17.663" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="9521" PostId="5181" Score="0" Text="I am a serious learner, though not a good learner. That doesn't give you the right to defame me." CreationDate="2019-02-09T00:24:31.733" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9522" PostId="5181" Score="9" Text="I'm not defaming anyone. You asked a Q on our meta site and I'm trying to give you other peoples position on the Q you asked." CreationDate="2019-02-09T00:25:12.733" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="9523" PostId="5181" Score="0" Text="I am very glad that you stopped answering my questions, because that gave me a lot of pressure whether to accept them or not. (I always upvoted your replies and others' though)" CreationDate="2019-02-09T00:25:20.057" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9524" PostId="5181" Score="0" Text="I have been facing a lot of abuses in the past two to three years. Some of them I could tolerate. But they always go to extreme. All your response that I got two years  ago was just  like the one your wrote today, it is very saddening to see that from a site moderator," CreationDate="2019-02-09T00:29:35.040" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9525" PostId="5177" Score="6" Text="What gives you the impression they are 'abusive downvotes' and not 'legitimate downvotes'?" CreationDate="2019-02-09T03:26:28.390" UserId="257802" />
  <row Id="9527" PostId="5177" Score="0" Text="@Time  Why ask those already shown? Prove that they are legitimate then? Are you trying to defend and endorse those behaviors?" CreationDate="2019-02-09T03:32:21.087" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9528" PostId="5179" Score="0" Text="Then follow https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5177/is-this-site-willing-to-curb-the-abusive-downvotes-and-close-votes?noredirect=1#comment9515_5179, use the data properly, and let the data speak again. You are working in science and statistics field, and do realize how devious your results are, correct? Even based on your previous results, how can you reach the conclusion that there are no abuses in the past one month, one year, two years?" CreationDate="2019-02-09T03:38:57.367" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9529" PostId="5181" Score="0" Text="Citing that devious  data result is just as horrendous. https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5177/is-this-site-willing-to-curb-the-abusive-downvotes-and-close-votes?noredirect=1#comment9513_5179" CreationDate="2019-02-09T03:45:58.313" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9530" PostId="5177" Score="5" Text="I defend and endorse people's right to downvote a question, if they don't like it. That's how this site works. If you suspect someone is wronging you somehow, then the burden is on you to prove it, not the other way around. Simply casting a downvote is not, in itself, abusive." CreationDate="2019-02-09T11:23:47.830" UserId="257802" />
  <row Id="9531" PostId="5183" Score="5" Text="+1. The intent of the voting system is to drive and encourage higher quality in questions and answers. It's not personal (at least, not supposed to be)" CreationDate="2019-02-09T11:59:44.400" UserId="257802" />
  <row Id="9532" PostId="5183" Score="4" Text="Exactly. I rarely look at who posts something (sometimes I can spot a particular style) unless a meta post like this comes up, or I get mod flags or other indicators that require me to check." CreationDate="2019-02-09T12:12:59.387" UserId="3046" />
  <row Id="9533" PostId="5177" Score="0" Text="@Time4Tea (1) Can you explain why you ignore the evidence I provided in my post (and  a lot more in my past posts), and keep saying that I don't prove it? Do you have any genuine intention to make this site work? (2) Why don't you ask yourself to defend against mental torture and lost of speech freedom   to bullies, close votes, downvotes and automatic post removal, given that  you claimed yourself to  be so correct?" CreationDate="2019-02-09T12:18:39.993" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9535" PostId="5183" Score="0" Text="You either do not  understand what has happened or worse yet, pretend not to. To politely say, you reply to the wrong post. This post is about abusive votes." CreationDate="2019-02-09T12:29:41.293" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9536" PostId="5183" Score="6" Text="And my point is that there is nothing in any of those searches indicating anything abusive. Your posts generally have positive scores, and the ones with downvotes - well, we know they aren't from an individual looking to cause trouble because there are automated checks for that sort of thing. I think you are reading something into this because you don't have useful data - hint: even mods don't, so you literally cannot be taken seriously if you claim abusive votes. Sorry, but that's just the facts." CreationDate="2019-02-09T12:34:55.430" UserId="3046" />
  <row Id="9537" PostId="5183" Score="0" Text="What &quot;facts&quot;? in your imagination?" CreationDate="2019-02-09T12:36:04.847" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9538" PostId="5177" Score="3" Text="1) It looks like many of the downvotes *are* getting reversed. Presumably that is what the +18 for 'voting corrected' is for? 2) I'm not the one making accusations - you are." CreationDate="2019-02-09T12:39:42.300" UserId="257802" />
  <row Id="9539" PostId="5177" Score="0" Text="@Time Do you imply that I should keep silent as I use to be? I shouldn't spend more of my time with you. It will not do me any good. The fault detection algorithm is not God!" CreationDate="2019-02-09T12:41:05.483" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9540" PostId="5177" Score="3" Text="Another observation is that you posted 11 questions on Thursday alone. Perhaps you should consider focusing more on quality than quantity? Are you absolutely sure you did an adequate level of basic research yourself, before asking all of those questions?" CreationDate="2019-02-09T12:43:02.843" UserId="257802" />
  <row Id="9541" PostId="5183" Score="7" Text="Look Tim, you are just being rude. The facts - neither you nor I can see who voted for what. If you decide that someone is abusing votes, you need to come up with how they could do that and get around the automated checks for these, and how you would have any evidence that this is happening. If you could provide evidence that would be great, however it is not possible, even for us mods." CreationDate="2019-02-09T12:44:07.303" UserId="3046" />
  <row Id="9542" PostId="5177" Score="0" Text="@Time I am not naive to agree with your judgment on my posts." CreationDate="2019-02-09T12:44:47.833" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9543" PostId="5183" Score="8" Text="@tim note that some of votes you received yesterday have been reversed today. You have previously claimed the vote reversal script doesn't work for you: it does, it just doesn't catch all the downvotes you've received because they aren't all targeted. When someone does indeed target you, those votes are reversed. So of the ones you show in your screenshot, 11 were reversed today. The rest, I'm afraid you need to accept." CreationDate="2019-02-09T12:48:02.790" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9544" PostId="5183" Score="0" Text="as rude as your post to me?" CreationDate="2019-02-09T12:51:18.653" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9545" PostId="5177" Score="7" Text="@Tim that's precisely your problem. You don't agree with other people's judgment of your posts, yet require that other people agree with _your_ judgement of your posts. You think your posts are fine. Others think your posts are not fine and downvote them. That's just the way these sites work. You seem to want to ignore what everyone is telling you, not fix the issues with your questions and go on as you have been but without downvotes. Well, that isn't going to happen. You need to accept that people have the right to their opinion and the right to downvote posts they feel deserve it." CreationDate="2019-02-09T13:00:57.463" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9546" PostId="5177" Score="0" Text="@terdon I don't mix up downvotes out of nonmallicious personal judgment, vs out of personal attack and with the intention to suppress speech freedom !  My post here is about the latter." CreationDate="2019-02-09T13:06:18.313" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9547" PostId="5177" Score="3" Text="@Tim and how, exactly, can you tell the difference? What do you expect anyone to do? How can I know why someone downvoted you? How can you know? How can anyone but the person who voted know? Targeted votes that can be identified are reversed (by automated systems the mods have no control over). However, votes that do not seem targeted are not reversed. That really is the best anyone can do." CreationDate="2019-02-09T13:09:23.843" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9548" PostId="5177" Score="0" Text="@terdon You claim you can't do anything with it, while I heard the opposite (I really don't know). Reversing votes is just a temporary solution. To solve the problem, the only way I can think of is to ban those abusers that repeat the violations.  That aside, at least recognize the abuses and don't deny. What you and others have written here will  encourage more abuses." CreationDate="2019-02-09T13:12:14.960" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9549" PostId="5177" Score="3" Text="For the last time: the vast majority of downvotes you receive show no evidence of abuse. We have asked SE who can actually see who voted and they confirm that there is no pattern, and no targeting. In the few cases where there has been targeting, those votes are reversed automatically. That's the best anyone can do. If you still feel you get too many downvotes, then you need to improve the quality of your posts." CreationDate="2019-02-09T13:19:29.300" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9550" PostId="5177" Score="0" Text="@terdon According to your description,  the reliability of SE (both system and customer services) is questionable. Another thing, statistics can only give significance measurements, and in most cases   can not be used to draw a conclusion." CreationDate="2019-02-09T13:21:47.130" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9551" PostId="5177" Score="0" Text="Also, many data scientists use statistics and data wrongly unintentionally and on purpose to support their own opinions to manipulate their audiences" CreationDate="2019-02-09T13:29:21.110" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9552" PostId="5177" Score="1" Text="Tim, are you asking SE to suspend users who had their serial downvotes on your posts reversed? (From the MSE post linked by Andrew T.)" CreationDate="2019-02-09T13:33:16.147" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9553" PostId="5184" Score="0" Text="Originally posted [here](https://meta.askubuntu.com/a/18411/367990). Disclaimer: I am the owner of the Ubuntu Hideout Discord server. We are a friendly community with over 1.1k members as of February 2019 and constantly growing. Our intention is to provide a place to casually chat in a comfortable environment with other like-minded people as well as to get direct help with technical problems in a dialogue. Note that we are not a help desk though, nor are we officially affiliated with Canonical, Discord or any other company. Users of other Linux distros are welcome too :)" CreationDate="2019-02-09T15:04:27.590" UserId="103151" />
  <row Id="9554" PostId="5182" Score="7" Text="The problem here are the questions where clarification is requested in comments, but there's no reply. Not too uncommonly, it seems that there might not be clarifications for a long time even if the comments come within five minutes of the answer being posted, and even if the asking user has been online to read them. Should cases like that just be left open and unanswered? Isn't voting to close as unclear exactly _for_ the cases where there's not enough information to answer." CreationDate="2019-02-09T16:22:10.883" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="9555" PostId="5182" Score="4" Text="Note that the page you quote also has this &quot;rule&quot;: _&quot;If it’s been flagged as unclear, see if you think it’s answerable as-is. [...] * If not clear/answerable, VTC as unclear.&quot;_" CreationDate="2019-02-09T16:22:36.613" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="9556" PostId="5182" Score="2" Text="I think it comes down to the timeline. A question becomes abandoned after some time; I'll look for signs that the OP never returned and consider a VTC after a week or two. Might even have a SEDE query along those lines somewhere." CreationDate="2019-02-09T16:35:44.007" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9557" PostId="5179" Score="0" Text="&quot;You have decided you are being targeted.&quot; I raise the issues of the votes that are abusive, including but not limited to those targeting at me. The abusers can abuse any people and any post that don't fit into their narrow minds. They can bully others for many reasons: don't accept their replies, don't answer their interrogations, ask questions they don't ask." CreationDate="2019-02-09T17:46:04.037" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9558" PostId="5181" Score="0" Text="&quot;this violates some notion of fare play in their minds, because it treats their time as less valuable than your own.&quot;  This site distinguishes (or once distinguished) itself by promoting asking questions, and I felt that was accepting and welcoming, especially for me who has a lot of questions but don't know how to find the solutions myself. You have mentioned what &quot;those&quot; think several times (including this one), and obviously think it is appropriate." CreationDate="2019-02-09T17:56:17.527" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9559" PostId="5181" Score="0" Text="&quot;I feel saying this is somewhat justified because you claim to not care about rep, but are making an awful lot of fuss about it.&quot;  So do you mean that my aim has been gaming for reputations all these years, just like how you all went after reputations in your early years here? My &quot;claims&quot; are more than that, and can you read them all and understand them all? Are you   selectively blind-sided?" CreationDate="2019-02-09T17:58:42.340" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9560" PostId="5181" Score="0" Text="I have explained before in several scenarios why I don't answer questions, and I am not proud of it.  ." CreationDate="2019-02-09T18:08:03.317" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9561" PostId="5181" Score="2" Text="@Tim Unfortunately, I do no think slm is defaming anyone (just making a point here about the low quality of posts). Rarely I downvote your posts, but most of the time I am compelled to ignore most of them. People going over old posts and downvoting them are serial downvoters, as for people downvoting random questions, they are not." CreationDate="2019-02-09T22:04:40.467" UserId="138261" />
  <row Id="9562" PostId="5181" Score="0" Text="@Rui   Bullies are not just serial downvotes. You can think of whichever way you like, but be respectful, be civil, do not suffocate freedom of speech." CreationDate="2019-02-09T22:17:16.077" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9563" PostId="5181" Score="0" Text="@Rui Defaming means saying me gaming for reputations, but I don't, violating fair play, but I don't. Do you have evidence to prove that? Otherwise, you are also defamining." CreationDate="2019-02-09T22:23:17.763" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9564" PostId="5181" Score="0" Text="@Rui I don't think it is unfortunate, I think it is very bad" CreationDate="2019-02-09T22:26:57.657" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9565" PostId="5181" Score="8" Text="@Tim - if you truly just wanted to ask your Q's and get A'ers then none of this would be happening. You'd ignore any voting and merely ask your Q and get whatever A'ers you get. I can't help but think that your continued carrying on about this is rooted in something else? You say you're a serious learner but I don't see you learning from all these interactions w/ many our sites members. It feels like you're somehow enjoying all this negative attention?" CreationDate="2019-02-09T22:47:43.690" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="9566" PostId="5180" Score="4" Text="@Jesse_b agree.  Stack exchange has the obvious push to be kinder to new users.  I think it is really important then when we close, or ask for more info, we are gentle and kind about it.... even comment on the question when closing to tell them it can be re-opened after." CreationDate="2019-02-09T22:52:39.653" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="9567" PostId="5181" Score="8" Text="@Tim I lived 6 years in two countries were I could be fired from my job,  deported, imprisoned, kidnapped, tortured or killed for saying the wrong things in the wrong setting or around the wrong people, and frankly, your (ab)use of freedom of speech here annoys me. No one is preventing here writing what you want, also." CreationDate="2019-02-09T22:55:34.410" UserId="138261" />
  <row Id="9568" PostId="5181" Score="0" Text="@slm you don't see means that you are blind sided, and you don't do research. You continue to defame me, means that you ignore that I told you how my speech freedom is suppressed by the votes. I am learning slower than you anticipate, may mean that you hold some privileges that you don't admit or realize." CreationDate="2019-02-09T23:19:53.710" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9569" PostId="5181" Score="1" Text="@Rui where you has lived has little to do with how you perceive what is happening here." CreationDate="2019-02-09T23:20:45.670" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9570" PostId="5181" Score="0" Text="@slm  Claiming I &quot;enjoying all this negative attention&quot; is very astounding. I absolutely don't enjoy communication with bullies like you." CreationDate="2019-02-09T23:26:36.020" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9571" PostId="5177" Score="2" Text="`statistics can only give significance measurements, and in most cases can not be used to draw a conclusion` – Is your *conclusion* about being targeted drawn from statistics? How is it better? Is a *hunch* better?" CreationDate="2019-02-10T07:59:08.593" UserId="108618" />
  <row Id="9572" PostId="5181" Score="7" Text="@Tim you are not judge, jury and executioner here. It is not up to you telling me where I lived does does not count annoying me you abusing the word freedom, which apparently you do not the meaning of. As other say, you are just being plain rude to people." CreationDate="2019-02-10T11:21:37.297" UserId="138261" />
  <row Id="9575" PostId="5177" Score="0" Text="@KamilMaciorowski So I provide evidences here and in my past posts, not using statistics to fool others. when you are a victim,  tell that to yourself." CreationDate="2019-02-10T12:09:59.753" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9576" PostId="5185" Score="0" Text="(1) Your last part is wishful thinking. If that would work, there wouldn't be many  people struggling to make ends meet, whereas some others have infinite time for vanity. There are things that are not changeable. (2)  I do not think my questions are low-quality, and I am not trying to change what others think of them. If you think my questions are low quality, that is because you have privileges that you don't realize or admit. Privileges  mean various kinds of visible and invisible resources that make a lot of things easier." CreationDate="2019-02-10T12:26:42.347" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9577" PostId="5185" Score="0" Text="(3) No matter one might think of others,  be respectful, and don't suffocate others' right of speech. Moreover, bully is not a right!" CreationDate="2019-02-10T12:26:45.207" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9578" PostId="5181" Score="0" Text="@RuiFRibeiro  At least not as vicious as being condescending. Of course, I am not a judge. I fight for my own rights." CreationDate="2019-02-10T12:36:22.747" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9580" PostId="5185" Score="0" Text="What I lose is not meaningless. It is speech freedom." CreationDate="2019-02-10T12:51:50.570" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9581" PostId="5185" Score="10" Text="Just to keep the issues clear, [Stack Exchange is not a free-speech platform](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/222590/307535). As Michael said, the site has voting and closure mechanisms for the user community to moderate content." CreationDate="2019-02-10T13:07:08.493" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9583" PostId="5185" Score="6" Text="I was going to say exactly what Jeff Schaller said. This thing about freedom of speech entirely misses the point of Stack Exchange. It is not a general forum - no-one here has freedom of speech to write whatever they want in a question. It is a heavily-moderated platform with a very specific goal." CreationDate="2019-02-10T13:39:48.017" UserId="257802" />
  <row Id="9584" PostId="5185" Score="0" Text="... goal to encourage bully." CreationDate="2019-02-10T13:40:42.290" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9585" PostId="5185" Score="6" Text="Tim, the site works the way it does and it's not going to change just for you. If you don't like it, frankly your only option is to leave and find something else to do with your time." CreationDate="2019-02-10T13:42:05.787" UserId="257802" />
  <row Id="9586" PostId="5185" Score="0" Text="Frankly, you are crossing the border to tell me that." CreationDate="2019-02-10T13:42:44.643" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9587" PostId="5185" Score="6" Text="@Tim - your freedoms work both ways, you're fine to stay and participate in a civil manner or not. No one forces you to participate or not. The rules are clear though and all are expected to contribute in a civil manner. Michael's post is another example of a thoughtful user trying to reach out to you and you treating it as an attack instead of someone that is generally trying to help you." CreationDate="2019-02-10T14:08:01.357" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="9588" PostId="5185" Score="0" Text="@slm I do not treat Michael's post  as attack" CreationDate="2019-02-10T14:17:42.327" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9589" PostId="5186" Score="2" Text="Voted to move this to meta, but commenting doesn't increase your rep*.  You can still ask and answer questions which is what will increase your rep." CreationDate="2019-02-10T14:55:40.753" UserId="237982" />
  <row Id="9590" PostId="5186" Score="0" Text="i tried answering questions posted by others but it keeps telling me i need to have 50 reps." CreationDate="2019-02-10T14:57:58.040" UserId="271996" />
  <row Id="9591" PostId="5186" Score="5" Text="You tried to answer in a comment which is not recommended on this site.  You are allowed to answer in an actual answer though (seen below).  I recommend browsing the [Help Section](https://unix.stackexchange.com/help) and reading up on asking and answering." CreationDate="2019-02-10T14:59:05.963" UserId="237982" />
  <row Id="9592" PostId="5186" Score="0" Text="what!? i tried to answer a question in the question section and it told me i don't have 50 reps! i've read your help section already and it's not clear." CreationDate="2019-02-10T15:02:27.083" UserId="271996" />
  <row Id="9593" PostId="5186" Score="1" Text="https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/230676/" CreationDate="2019-02-10T15:06:27.450" UserId="5132" />
  <row Id="9594" PostId="5186" Score="0" Text="Relating in https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/q/3484/117549" CreationDate="2019-02-10T15:35:51.700" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9596" PostId="5186" Score="0" Text="Michael's Answer there is the best one I've seen for this." CreationDate="2019-02-10T15:36:58.853" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9597" PostId="5185" Score="0" Text="@Tim Wishful thinking it may be, but I still encourage you to give it a go. You never know until you try, right? It’s just a neutral outsider to talk to who has your well-being at heart." CreationDate="2019-02-10T17:16:09.243" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="9598" PostId="5185" Score="0" Text="I have all kinds of privilege, including probably some I don’t realise. Could you give an example or two of the privilege you see that leads me to think that some of your questions are low quality? I would like to work on addressing that." CreationDate="2019-02-10T17:19:20.093" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="9601" PostId="5185" Score="0" Text="@Tim Sorry, I guess I was unclear. You said that if I think some of your questions are low quality, that’s because of unacknowledged privilege. I was asking which it is *that leads to **my** thinking that*." CreationDate="2019-02-10T18:15:55.403" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="9602" PostId="5185" Score="0" Text="I  don't know how to describe them in a better way. Sorry. Moreover, It is just my own opinion." CreationDate="2019-02-10T18:21:55.477" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9604" PostId="5177" Score="4" Text="@Tim, just so you know, yesterday I did find the first occurrence of a user targeting you. They seem to have serially downvoted you two days in a row. That user has been dealt with. I just wanted to let you know so you don't think we ignore you. When we do find evidence, we do take action." CreationDate="2019-02-10T18:58:36.567" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9608" PostId="5153" Score="0" Text="I have seen questions with 5 down votes and not a single comment. That does not help the OP or even the other stupid readers to get a little less stupid by any mean and in that case if the down voter did not commented in fear of getting misunderstood, that should be the least significant reason. And at least the moderators should comment on it in that case. Even if one would do the kindest thing, some people will always get offended but is that a valid reason to stop doing that?" CreationDate="2019-02-10T21:09:49.377" UserId="179857" />
  <row Id="9609" PostId="5177" Score="0" Text="@terdon Thank you, for trying your best here. I should be relieved." CreationDate="2019-02-10T22:49:56.000" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9610" PostId="5177" Score="0" Text="@jimmij  I know you are trying to be encouraging. Thanks." CreationDate="2019-02-10T22:50:49.010" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9611" PostId="5180" Score="2" Text="I agree with XTian, especially for new users who aren't quite familiar with how the site works ( or how it's intended to work ), question being put on hold looks like bureaucratic process.  IMHO better strategy is leave a couple comments first, and if OP doesn't respond or edit, then close it as off-topic. &quot;in most cases OP doesn't come back regardless of whether their question is closed or not&quot;,  eh, I wouldn't say in most cases, but when question is closed chances of them not coming back are higher." CreationDate="2019-02-11T01:36:52.030" UserId="85039" />
  <row Id="9613" PostId="5186" Score="0" Text="Talked to death on Meta Super User: [How can I get reputation if I am not permitted to answer and participate in the Super User network?](https://meta.superuser.com/q/12440/354511), [How to build up commenting privileges?](https://meta.superuser.com/q/8634/354511), [How do I get points on Super User?](https://meta.superuser.com/q/9402/354511) and [How do you use Super User and Stack Overflow?](https://meta.superuser.com/q/9316/354511)" CreationDate="2019-02-11T02:54:39.313" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="9617" PostId="5189" Score="7" Text="An honest and straighforward answer as simple as it can be, congrats .  I could have written myself, except in the part I prefer to (mostly) leave alone Tim posts. Upvoted.  The only thing I would add, also for the downvoters here, is that I consider this a reasonable approach, considering our time here is donated for a good cause." CreationDate="2019-02-11T13:33:16.357" UserId="138261" />
  <row Id="9619" PostId="5190" Score="3" Text="I find myself skipping many items in the close queue lately for this reason. It's closable as-is, but the question is only minutes old. I don't want to close it *or* leave it open!" CreationDate="2019-02-12T16:55:20.180" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9620" PostId="5190" Score="4" Text="&quot;I'd be happy to re-review questions if they got fixed&quot; there's a queue for that, the reopen queue." CreationDate="2019-02-12T17:31:53.280" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="9621" PostId="5190" Score="2" Text="@Braiam, as I wrote, in my experience it's far harder to get a closed/edited question reopened than to have it left open in the first place. (It's also potentially demoralising to new users, but that's not necessarily as big a problem.)" CreationDate="2019-02-12T18:17:57.677" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="9622" PostId="5190" Score="1" Text="&quot;in my experience&quot; and that's why we don't use anecdotal evidence to support a argument. Prefer statistics: here's the stats for the last 90 days of closed questions https://i.stack.imgur.com/CcAMS.png" CreationDate="2019-02-12T18:26:14.183" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="9623" PostId="5190" Score="1" Text="@Braiam (1) The statistics doesn't support the opinion you want to support. (2) It is very hard to reopen a closed post. (3) even if a post is reopened, it has already passed the best time to get (good) answer(s)." CreationDate="2019-02-12T19:01:19.897" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9624" PostId="5190" Score="4" Text="@Tim 1) please, elaborate. I did on my answer below. 2) is a falasy. The best answers aren't those that go in first." CreationDate="2019-02-12T19:04:12.387" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="9625" PostId="5190" Score="0" Text="@Braiam (1) For many of my posts, the reasons for closing them are invalid. Just ignorance, arrangance, stereotyping, bullying. No edits are really needed. (3) Why don't you do a correlation analysis between views, average reply time after post, and number of replies received? Can you ask everyone wait indefinitely or forever for the best reply?" CreationDate="2019-02-12T19:05:58.273" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9626" PostId="5190" Score="0" Text="@Bra correlation analysis between those &quot;time series&quot;" CreationDate="2019-02-12T19:17:05.440" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9627" PostId="4490" Score="0" Text="&quot;_One way to tell if a question is answerable is if you think that you could answer it._&quot; As the question scope increases it becomes harder to know whether a question is unanswerable even with domain knowledge. At that point you're left with only two options: Leave Open or Skip. (Case in point, without reference, I saw a question recently that was perfectly reasonable within the scope of a shell on a QNAP. It was closed as unclear, probably because in the scope of a shell on a full Linux/UNIX distribution it didn't make sense.)" CreationDate="2019-02-12T19:58:57.487" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="9628" PostId="5190" Score="5" Text="@Tim and that's your beef. I've got several question closed before, yet I continue participating and interacting. The problem isn't us or you, is our way of communicating. We communicate you &quot;that's not a question we would want&quot;, which is OK. You could be happy to asking a question we do want or just looking another place. Nobody, ever, forces you to ask on U&amp;L. You decided to. And for whatever reason you decided to, I suspect that those reasons are very related to the way we handle questions, all questions, on this site." CreationDate="2019-02-12T23:52:53.317" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="9630" PostId="5191" Score="4" Text="11% of the questions that were edited after being closed as unclear are reopened, not 11% of all the questions closed as unclear. That's 11% of 17.6%, or 13 questions reopened out of 118 that were edited. This means that only 1.9% of questions closed as unclear are ever reopened. That does feel very low. Of course it's hard to judge from numbers, we would need to look at the specific questions, but it still feels low." CreationDate="2019-02-13T22:35:47.307" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9631" PostId="5155" Score="0" Text="I've started using a pihole which filters your promoted ads.  Pihole doesn't distinuish by host site.  It would nice if the ads you promoted had unique url parts that could be added to a white list.  E.g. *.ad.stackexchange.com." CreationDate="2019-02-15T20:45:47.810" UserId="247579" />
  <row Id="9632" PostId="5192" Score="1" Text="Unfortunately, the POSIX standard uses the term &quot;exit status&quot;, which kinda straddles both.  In any case, I like &quot;status&quot; better than &quot;code&quot; as a code implies a specific meaning (other than success or failure), as in &quot;errno&quot;." CreationDate="2019-02-16T10:05:40.157" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="9633" PostId="5192" Score="0" Text="Actually, the &quot;new&quot; way of waiting for processes, which &quot;only&quot; dates back to the mid-1980s, has a `siginfo_t` with _both_ &quot;code&quot; and &quot;status&quot;, separately." CreationDate="2019-02-16T10:32:57.223" UserId="5132" />
  <row Id="9634" PostId="5192" Score="1" Text="The man pages for `bash` and `ksh` both refer to _exit status_." CreationDate="2019-02-17T01:27:14.247" UserId="168757" />
  <row Id="9635" PostId="5192" Score="0" Text="Wow; looks like we may need several synonyms!" CreationDate="2019-02-17T01:36:37.853" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9642" PostId="5189" Score="2" Text="Well said A'er. Thanks for writing this." CreationDate="2019-02-17T18:30:49.883" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="9643" PostId="5194" Score="6" Text="Note that the various StackExchange communities are quite different and the urge to close etc. varies between the communities. You have posted a single question on _this_ site, which has one up and one down vote. It was apparently up for closing, but that vote was retracted. No comment relating to the contents of the question is currently outstanding (you did add a note about using Mint). This means that I must assume that you have worse experiences in _other_ SE communities." CreationDate="2019-02-17T18:43:46.310" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="9644" PostId="5160" Score="0" Text="There is a lot of good stuff in here! I'm glad to discover it -- I expect to point people at it repeatedly in the future." CreationDate="2019-02-17T22:30:46.110" UserId="120000" />
  <row Id="9645" PostId="5195" Score="2" Text="This is good. I think this is the best solution. I wonder, though, if it's worth having `return-code` as its own tag, as it could be applied in other circumstances, possibly.  Hmm... probably not." CreationDate="2019-02-18T09:05:49.767" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="9648" PostId="5195" Score="0" Text="Agree with this one. I'll chip in another term: [return-value](https://stackoverflow.com/q/17336915/3701431)" CreationDate="2019-02-18T23:51:15.510" UserId="85039" />
  <row Id="9649" PostId="5195" Score="2" Text="@SergiyKolodyazhnyy I don't think `return-value` would be as useful as it would be on the StackOverflow site as it is a term mainly used in non-shell languages. In the shell, the `return` statement returns the _exit status_ of the most recently executed command from a function or dot script (or an explicit exit status)." CreationDate="2019-02-19T10:13:07.920" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="9650" PostId="5195" Score="0" Text="@Kusalananda I'm well aware of how it's used within shell context. I'm just suggesting that as possible synonym, which may be used by those more used to programming terminology.  Like I already said, I sufficiently agree with Jeff's answer" CreationDate="2019-02-19T10:37:23.797" UserId="85039" />
  <row Id="9653" PostId="5197" Score="0" Text="Ok, sounds reasonable, thanks!" CreationDate="2019-02-19T20:15:45.827" UserId="224165" />
  <row Id="9655" PostId="5195" Score="3" Text="@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Contrary to my opinion about [tag:exit-code], I think [tag:return-value] would be misplaced. While the code/status returned is, by definition, a &quot;value&quot;, it is not what most people, programmer or not, consider a return value in practice. The implication is that the called function/command &quot;returns&quot; a value, as in `a=myFunc(42)` executes `myFunc` and places some value into `a`. `a=$( myFunc 42 )` gives a return value __and__ an exit code." CreationDate="2019-02-20T03:21:33.073" UserId="207673" />
  <row Id="9659" PostId="5199" Score="2" Text="Out of curiosity, how much can mods see about deleted questions? If I got it right, a regular user can't even see all of their own deleted questions, just the &quot;recent&quot; ones?" CreationDate="2019-02-20T20:29:46.550" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="9660" PostId="5199" Score="2" Text="@ilkkachu Deleted posts show up in the list on a profile page for mods, just styled differently: https://i.stack.imgur.com/9XHUq.png. I don't remember the details on what users can see on profiles; it used to be nothing but then they did something with &quot;recent&quot; deletions" CreationDate="2019-02-20T20:35:32.690" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="9661" PostId="5199" Score="4" Text="@ilkkachu - 10k can see deleted Q's. See the A'er for ways that they're able to - https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/117892/how-do-you-view-deleted-questions." CreationDate="2019-02-21T13:14:40.957" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="9662" PostId="5199" Score="0" Text="@slm Not on profiles though, as far as I know?" CreationDate="2019-02-21T15:27:34.783" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="9663" PostId="5199" Score="0" Text="@MichaelMrozek - correct." CreationDate="2019-02-21T19:31:58.603" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="9664" PostId="5199" Score="4" Text="The idea is that we want to reward asking useful questions without encouraging people to flood the site with questions. Self-deleting closed or downvoted questions is a good idea, but even better is not asking at all. Best of all is editing the question so that it can be reopened and upvoted." CreationDate="2019-02-22T01:14:44.877" UserId="21281" />
  <row Id="9665" PostId="5199" Score="0" Text="What about duplicate questions?" CreationDate="2019-02-22T10:12:04.643" UserId="255251" />
  <row Id="9666" PostId="5199" Score="5" Text="@JonEricson, isn't the thing here that the equation would endorse _not deleting_ closed or negatively scored questions? Of course it would be better to not have them in the first place, but if you've done that and noticed it was a mistake, the only way to make it better it is to delete the Q. And then you get penalized (more) for doing just that. Doesn't seem to make sense to me." CreationDate="2019-02-22T13:35:47.967" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="9667" PostId="5199" Score="0" Text="@ilkkachu: If this were the _primary_ way the badges were determined, I'd agree with you. But instead, the badge is given out for regularly asking good questions on the site. Most people are not impacted by this restriction at all. For the few who are, not self-deleting isn't really going to help since other people (and the system itself) will delete for you. Instead, the best thing to do is edit old questions and be more careful asking new ones." CreationDate="2019-02-22T18:11:51.793" UserId="21281" />
  <row Id="9668" PostId="5199" Score="0" Text="@PRY: I considered making an exception for duplicate questions, but decided that worked against the spirit of the badges. Duplicates [sometimes help people find the information they are looking for](https://stackoverflow.blog/2010/11/16/dr-strangedupe-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-duplication/), but the goal of the badge is to encourage new questions." CreationDate="2019-02-22T18:15:14.600" UserId="21281" />
  <row Id="9669" PostId="5139" Score="3" Text="@oemb1905 To restate it, I'm a long-time, active member of SE sites with low reputation on *this* site. One of the difficulties with how the system is designed and how the community generally behaves (because let's face it: everyone makes assumptions) is that you're treated differently if you have low reputation. I needed to make it clear that I wasn't whining about my post being edited (because it is indeed one of the *great* things about SE!) -- I was concerned that the culture of Unix.SE far-enough out-of-line with that of TeX.SX that I couldn't see the problem with my original Q." CreationDate="2019-02-22T18:16:12.137" UserId="28980" />
  <row Id="9670" PostId="5200" Score="2" Text="It's probably combination of multiple things: the downvoting person either notices question is simplistic (&quot;just go read the manual&quot;) or think it's not useful (in their opinion) to the site. Often well received questions are the case of OP overlooking  a detail. In such cases a question still can be useful, especially where the answer draws on multiple bits and pieces about OS, shell, and processes behavior.  At least so I think: there's often more to overly simplistic (at first look) questions than you can dig out." CreationDate="2019-02-26T10:17:26.930" UserId="85039" />
  <row Id="9671" PostId="5200" Score="5" Text="It's pretty rare to have 15+ *natural* (up)votes on a question, so I suspect that the question(s) you're seeing are being picked up by the Hot Network Questions list." CreationDate="2019-02-26T10:41:09.770" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9672" PostId="5200" Score="1" Text="Without knowing the mechanics of Hot Network Questions, I've also wondered if it's a reverse cause and effect:  *2 down votes, trigger others to say &quot;that's unfair, up-vote&quot; effecting a rapid serge in up-votes just large enough to be picked up bu Hot Network Questions.*" CreationDate="2019-02-26T10:44:11.983" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="9673" PostId="5195" Score="0" Text="A _return value_ is for functions; while an _exit status_ (or _exit code_) is for processes.  The key word in this distinction is _return_ (as distinct from _edit_)." CreationDate="2019-02-26T15:44:34.813" UserId="20246" />
  <row Id="9674" PostId="5195" Score="1" Text="It might be worth changing the question tag from *discussion* to *feature-request* to request a moderator to implement this suggestion. 14-0 seems quite close to consensus to me." CreationDate="2019-02-26T18:34:16.990" UserId="22812" />
  <row Id="9675" PostId="5200" Score="0" Text="I sort of suspect that &quot;the more precise and narrow people are with their question&quot; correlates with some *other* traits that lead to eager downvotes, which may be skewing the trend a bit." CreationDate="2019-02-26T22:20:19.173" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="9676" PostId="5203" Score="0" Text="just for some data (not an Answer), yes: there was one &quot;Close&quot; and three &quot;Leave Open&quot; votes from the Close Review Queue. Seeing that might be one of the things that comes with 10k reputation." CreationDate="2019-02-27T13:44:57.633" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9677" PostId="5203" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller Thank you. Maybe I'm just confused since &quot;should be closed&quot; flagging seems to work somehow more as a less powerful way of voting than as true flagging as defined under &quot;When should I flag?&quot; in the [Help](https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/privileges/flag-posts)." CreationDate="2019-02-27T14:14:40.197" UserId="315749" />
  <row Id="9678" PostId="5203" Score="2" Text="Yes, a VTC will put the Q into the close-review queue, where this particular question was &quot;handled by other members of the site like yourself, who've earned review privileges&quot;.  Thank you both for flagging and for putting helpful comments on the question!" CreationDate="2019-02-27T14:25:03.357" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9679" PostId="5204" Score="0" Text="Thanks! Do we (as U&amp;L) have any official policy about questions that seem unanswerable without further information? E.g. &quot;leave open and wait for edits&quot; VS &quot;close and wait for edits&quot; as suggested in the [Meta SE answer](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/98026/410681) I linked to in my question? Or is it freely up to the reviewers?" CreationDate="2019-02-27T15:25:32.740" UserId="315749" />
  <row Id="9680" PostId="5204" Score="2" Text="@fra-san it's kind of up to the reviewers, yes. There are people on both sides of that argument." CreationDate="2019-02-27T15:29:56.863" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9681" PostId="5200" Score="2" Text="Just to have some data, [this search](https://unix.stackexchange.com/search?tab=newest&amp;q=score%3a15%20%20created%3a1m..%20is%3aQ) is of Questions in the last month that scored 15 or higher. 6 of those 12 have at least one downvote, many of which happened in the first day." CreationDate="2019-02-27T22:26:05.810" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9683" PostId="5195" Score="1" Text="@AnthonyGeoghegan I wasn't sure what the official process was, so I went ahead and bothered terdon in chat; I will work with him tomorrow morning.  In the meantime, I've updated the Answer with what I think the next steps are. If anyone sees this in the meantime, please correct me if I'm heading the wrong way!" CreationDate="2019-02-28T01:46:23.287" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9684" PostId="5205" Score="0" Text="I think there are multiple such users (accounts?), given the more extreme cases of sometimes a very swift -3 or -4 before other votes come in." CreationDate="2019-02-28T07:02:53.733" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="9685" PostId="5205" Score="2" Text="The [timeline of this answer](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/posts/5205/timeline) is also interesting, perhaps." CreationDate="2019-02-28T07:04:44.353" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="9686" PostId="5205" Score="0" Text="I got all excited to see more data when I saw your &quot;timeline&quot; link, until I ended up back here. I'm curious what the disagreement is about what I said, since there haven't been any other comments; maybe they disagree with my core reaction of &quot;do nothing &quot;?" CreationDate="2019-02-28T11:08:53.647" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9687" PostId="5206" Score="1" Text="I've personally white-listed Javascript from ajax.googleapis.com for [se] sites -- but I never considered how this dependency on Google would suck for people living in China." CreationDate="2019-02-28T16:50:30.527" UserId="22812" />
  <row Id="9688" PostId="5206" Score="1" Text="@AnthonyGeoghegan Yeah I didn't think about that either.  My situation is entirely self inflicted, others are not that fortunate.  I'm guessing google does not allow one to host the reCAPTCHA yourself.  For that matter, is google really the only provider of CAPTCHAs?  That doesn't sound right..." CreationDate="2019-03-01T10:19:48.410" UserId="42008" />
  <row Id="9692" PostId="5205" Score="0" Text="My subjective feeling is that seeing a carefully written question hit -ve with no suggestions for improvement, and later roller-coaster back up, is not very pleasant. (I'm trying to follow you and &quot;let go&quot; for the one case that's been bugging me - my initial version could have been better, and I don't have a precise enough sequence of events to rule that out as a reason.) I don't have any suggestion. I would be interested in code experiments, but I guess apart from the &quot;new user&quot; indicator... this specific level of behaviour on U&amp;L is a relatively low priority for StackExchange" CreationDate="2019-03-03T20:44:56.850" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="9693" PostId="5204" Score="0" Text="@fra-san And there's people (like me) who goes both ways on that too." CreationDate="2019-03-04T11:11:39.303" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="9694" PostId="5204" Score="0" Text="@Kusalananda Ok, I'm fine with that. It looks like this subject (flagging &quot;should be closed&quot;) doesn't have set-in-stone rules and I needed to fine tune my understanding of it. Thank you for helping." CreationDate="2019-03-04T11:58:57.103" UserId="315749" />
  <row Id="9695" PostId="5204" Score="0" Text="@terdon Technically, [this](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/105395/410681) says that a flag would &quot;be dismissed as helpful as soon as another user votes to close&quot;, and that seems to be what happened [here](https://unix.stackexchange.com/review/close/283591) (I flagged on Feb 21, flag helpful), while [here](https://unix.stackexchange.com/review/close/283972) the flag was declined, despite the analogous timeline of flag and votes. But there might be factors at play that I'm missing and this seems really a minor point, overall, so I'm not actually asking for an explanation — just noticing." CreationDate="2019-03-04T12:03:44.857" UserId="315749" />
  <row Id="9696" PostId="5204" Score="0" Text="@fra-san hmm. It might also have been because the user edited the post after you cast the flag. I don't remember, but I _think_ there was some mechanism about that sort of thing, presumably because an edit may have made the post clearer so that could theoretically dismiss the flag? I really don't know though, I'm just guessing." CreationDate="2019-03-04T12:14:09.463" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9697" PostId="5204" Score="0" Text="@terdon I knew that edits may have played a role here, but both questions have not been edited since December 2018. I could make further guesses (something about close reasons? Time gap between _close_ votes? (both as in &quot;next to each other&quot; and in &quot;vote to close&quot;...)), but I think it's too subtle of problem to be significant. Please, don't feel compelled to put effort on this." CreationDate="2019-03-04T12:33:36.203" UserId="315749" />
  <row Id="9708" PostId="5215" Score="5" Text="Do you mean in each candidates political leanings? How is that relevant to what moderators do here? Can you explain what you mean by these terms in the context of Stack Exchange?" CreationDate="2019-03-05T18:49:25.380" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9709" PostId="5216" Score="9" Text="There is actually a threshold. This is a relatively new development and I don't know if any mod has actually triggered it, but mods who have been inactive for a long time (I think it's something like 6 months of no activity) are asked if they want to step down." CreationDate="2019-03-05T18:55:30.973" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9711" PostId="5174" Score="0" Text="what is the point in this? :O" CreationDate="2019-03-05T19:27:11.273" UserId="12428" />
  <row Id="9712" PostId="5174" Score="0" Text="I think it's a useful tool and wondered if the U&amp;L community felt the same way." CreationDate="2019-03-05T20:19:14.220" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9713" PostId="5210" Score="3" Text="[This is a link](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2940) to the corresponding Meta entry for the election held 2014." CreationDate="2019-03-05T22:45:09.840" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="9715" PostId="5210" Score="2" Text="@JeffSchaller - Shoq9 mentions the broken election page in this mSO - https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/294719/elections-stackexchange-com-isnt-loading. The mSO user Yi Jiang - https://meta.stackexchange.com/users/150097/yi-jiang." CreationDate="2019-03-06T03:30:08.153" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="9716" PostId="5210" Score="3" Text="Voting method used on SE - https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/77541/how-are-moderator-election-votes-counted-in-plain-english" CreationDate="2019-03-06T03:46:34.680" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="9720" PostId="5199" Score="0" Text="@ilkkachu AFAIK a closed question or a negatively scored question with no answers will get deleted eventually, so by deleting it yourself you don't get penalized more, you just speed up the process. The way to get penalized less is to delete a poor question before it gets closed." CreationDate="2019-03-06T13:36:10.053" UserId="106927" />
  <row Id="9724" PostId="5219" Score="1" Text="Are we having many new users, or a lot of abuse on discardable/drive by users to avoid playing by the rules/not investing on quality questions/sidestepping the gaming side of the site?" CreationDate="2019-03-06T18:58:38.900" UserId="138261" />
  <row Id="9725" PostId="5219" Score="0" Text="@RuiFRibeiro - no it's more well thought out than that." CreationDate="2019-03-06T19:11:53.717" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="9726" PostId="5219" Score="1" Text="You are now talking about sock puppet organised rings no? On a more simple level, I have some drive by accounts who are purposely sarcastic and rude to anyone doing moderation." CreationDate="2019-03-06T19:17:35.597" UserId="138261" />
  <row Id="9728" PostId="5219" Score="1" Text="@RuiFRibeiro - correct" CreationDate="2019-03-06T19:25:23.137" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="9731" PostId="5222" Score="3" Text="I think you have misunderstood what mods do and what power they have to influence a site. This isn't something a mod can do, it's something _anyone_ can do. Most of your questions are about things mods can't really influence (SE features or big changes etc). The sorts of changes you seem to be asking about are achieved through meta discussions and cannot be implemented by mods." CreationDate="2019-03-06T21:05:20.863" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9732" PostId="5224" Score="2" Text="&quot;No&quot; is a perfectly reasonable response, but I thought I'd provide an opportunity if there were some ideas out there." CreationDate="2019-03-07T01:38:33.323" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9733" PostId="5211" Score="1" Text="Last two questions' answer: &quot;With great power, comes great responsibility&quot;" CreationDate="2019-03-07T05:07:58.730" UserId="336403" />
  <row Id="9734" PostId="5226" Score="4" Text="For many years, I was a moderator of a web forum and the administrator of a number of mailman lists and I considered the role to be the online equivalent of a janitor. Given the non-existence of the yacht, it sounds like you have a similar perspective. :) One aspect of Stack Exchange that I really like is that, as a normal user, I can dip in and out of the review queues, depending on available time and cognitive energy levels. Anyhow, I'd like to take this opportunity to thank you, terdon and slm  for all the good work you collectively do as diamond moderators." CreationDate="2019-03-07T12:06:26.820" UserId="22812" />
  <row Id="9735" PostId="5219" Score="1" Text="One of those days I really noticed in a short period of time half a dozen questions with the same writing style with &quot;rep 1&quot; users." CreationDate="2019-03-07T13:20:00.910" UserId="138261" />
  <row Id="9736" PostId="5226" Score="8" Text="&quot;if you don't feel like dealing with a particular flag you can just pretend you never saw it and wait for terdon to handle it.&quot; LOL" CreationDate="2019-03-07T13:21:54.390" UserId="138261" />
  <row Id="9737" PostId="5219" Score="1" Text="Moving on to other things, I do agree with the marketing/advertising part. I pratically stumbled on this site by accident, maybe searching for something in Google, or maybe while I was doing the Linux certifications, cannot remember the specifics." CreationDate="2019-03-07T13:26:37.433" UserId="138261" />
  <row Id="9738" PostId="5226" Score="4" Text="I concur we're very lucky to have @terdon here, he's extremely generous w/ his time and deals w/ A LOT. Michael is also awesome to have since he's been doing this for so long he's a terrific leader in keeping things in perspective and how to handle X." CreationDate="2019-03-07T13:51:54.350" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="9739" PostId="5215" Score="1" Text="I think the first sentence will need to be reworded to be more specific. It seems to draw parallels to US politics, which is not relevant for mod candidates not from (or interested in) the US." CreationDate="2019-03-07T19:50:14.177" UserId="230769" />
  <row Id="9740" PostId="5215" Score="4" Text="Besides my previous comment, the rest of these questions seem to be [Leading Questions](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leading_question). While I'm not aware of any rules against leading questions in a moderator election Q&amp;A, I don't think leading questions like these are likely to produce useful answers." CreationDate="2019-03-07T20:01:36.507" UserId="230769" />
  <row Id="9741" PostId="5233" Score="1" Text="[one possibility](https://unix.stackexchange.com/q/494863/117549)" CreationDate="2019-03-07T20:37:18.480" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9742" PostId="5233" Score="2" Text="That would be a good Q/A even if it wasn't specifically about Kali (there's nothing about Kali that makes this special I think). The fact that a VM could probably &quot;piggy back&quot; on the host system's network access (regardless of what this is) would be good to know for more than Kali users. I have not searched for this to see if one already exists." CreationDate="2019-03-07T20:40:20.457" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="9743" PostId="5233" Score="2" Text="I mention it briefly in point 8 of my answer in `Why kali....`" CreationDate="2019-03-07T20:50:47.130" UserId="138261" />
  <row Id="9744" PostId="5222" Score="0" Text="Ah, but it is something a mod could support." CreationDate="2019-03-07T21:39:23.520" UserId="49368" />
  <row Id="9745" PostId="5211" Score="2" Text="@Biswapriyo False, with great power comes large current and voltage." CreationDate="2019-03-08T02:32:18.197" UserId="85039" />
  <row Id="9746" PostId="5234" Score="0" Text="Here, meaning the U&amp;L SE chat?" CreationDate="2019-03-08T13:32:54.013" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="9747" PostId="5234" Score="0" Text="@FaheemMitha Here meaning U&amp;L." CreationDate="2019-03-08T13:37:58.373" UserDisplayName="user147505" />
  <row Id="9754" PostId="5228" Score="0" Text="Any user with 15k rep (e.g. you) can protect a question, though [with restrictions](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/52764/what-is-a-protected-question) that often prevent doing it until it's too late for the HNQ onslaught." CreationDate="2019-03-11T12:13:15.277" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="9756" PostId="5216" Score="0" Text="@terdon IIRC the 6 months guideline has been around for longer than you have. But it's only ever been a guideline." CreationDate="2019-03-11T12:15:38.447" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="9757" PostId="5216" Score="0" Text="@Gilles no, this is something new implemented maybe a year ago, probably less. I remember the discussions in the TL. This is also what led to xenoterracide stepping down here a while back." CreationDate="2019-03-11T12:35:18.393" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9758" PostId="5216" Score="0" Text="It's definitely been around for longer, e.g. [mentioned here](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/256738). I can't find an authoritative source, and it's never been a firm rule." CreationDate="2019-03-11T13:01:52.463" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="9759" PostId="5228" Score="0" Text="This isn't about me.  This is about what a potential diamond moderator intends to do with diamond moderator tools, and what xyr thinking is on the matter." CreationDate="2019-03-11T14:20:37.130" UserId="5132" />
  <row Id="9760" PostId="5241" Score="0" Text="What is your question?" CreationDate="2019-03-11T16:04:52.650" UserId="276845" />
  <row Id="9761" PostId="5241" Score="5" Text="@kemotep this isn't really a question as much as a bug report. What Jeff is describing is obviously not a pleasant experience and SE should make sure your question isn't lost if it forces you to create an account." CreationDate="2019-03-11T16:23:03.923" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9762" PostId="5241" Score="2" Text="Hmm. Question and answer fields used to save what you typed; I wonder if that doesn't exist anymore or doesn't work for people who aren't logged in yet" CreationDate="2019-03-11T16:26:46.380" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="9763" PostId="5241" Score="1" Text="https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/66238/307535 says that &quot;Drafts work for anonymous users as well&quot;" CreationDate="2019-03-11T16:44:10.990" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9764" PostId="5241" Score="2" Text="It's too late to be helpful for this situation, but for semi-complex answers that might take a while to finish, I find myself saving them elsewhere before posting to Stack Exchange; that way, I don't have to rely on the saved draft (and could harmlessly post a shorter answer in the interim)." CreationDate="2019-03-11T16:45:50.720" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9765" PostId="5241" Score="0" Text="@terdon I wondered if they would edit it back into their original lost question, hence my comment. However I think migrating it here to meta was a good call. When logged in on multiple devices I can see drafts for earlier posts I have not submitted. I wonder when you are logged in versus being anonymous how your session cookies may be changed or over written." CreationDate="2019-03-11T16:54:27.253" UserId="276845" />
  <row Id="9766" PostId="5241" Score="0" Text="If the server stored what was entered my non-logged-in-users, then it would be vulnerable to Denial Of Service attack. However maybe it should have got you to login, before asking you to type the question." CreationDate="2019-03-11T17:07:41.617" UserId="4778" />
  <row Id="9767" PostId="5241" Score="0" Text="They are presumably saved as cookies. I know I can start typing a question, then close the browser and the question will appear as soon as I click on the &quot;Ask question&quot; button after opening the browser again." CreationDate="2019-03-11T17:07:45.460" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9768" PostId="5241" Score="0" Text="@ctrl-alt-delor that wouldn't be an issue if the question is stored as a local cookie, right?" CreationDate="2019-03-11T17:08:18.170" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9769" PostId="5241" Score="0" Text="@terdon yes I agree, local cookie will not use any server memory." CreationDate="2019-03-11T17:09:49.300" UserId="4778" />
  <row Id="9771" PostId="5232" Score="1" Text="I don't think I understand your question." CreationDate="2019-03-11T22:13:17.963" UserId="297343" />
  <row Id="9772" PostId="5236" Score="1" Text="I like your idea about contents &amp; Kali. We should def. do both of these." CreationDate="2019-03-12T13:44:54.650" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="9773" PostId="5242" Score="1" Text="@Olorin How do you solve this problem?" CreationDate="2019-03-12T14:25:46.403" UserId="339837" />
  <row Id="9774" PostId="5245" Score="0" Text="I'm not running for moderatorship on this site, but I don't understand the 7th question. I see no need to &quot;construe&quot; anything there." CreationDate="2019-03-12T18:22:43.780" UserId="158988" />
  <row Id="9775" PostId="5245" Score="2" Text="@ChristopheStrobbe many users have been misusing that close reason for things that aren't actually asking for external resources: https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/q/3892/22222" CreationDate="2019-03-12T20:35:06.867" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9776" PostId="5242" Score="4" Text="Could you explain what you mean by &quot;put that grey thingy onto something in the same line as your plain text&quot;? Are you just looking for backticks like `this`? If you add a `\`` on either side of the target text, it will appear as code inline. So \`foo\` is rendered as `foo`." CreationDate="2019-03-13T11:05:09.550" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9777" PostId="5247" Score="2" Text="If it's ok to comment - I dislike &quot;silent downvotes&quot;. But I don't see it as practical to really address without work at the StackExchange level. (Just as an example - IIRC there's currently a downvote popup for answers, but not for questions).  Then for users &amp; moderators, it is a political problem. If it makes us less &quot;welcoming&quot;, we can't do much more than documenting what problems we see, to raise pressure on SE. Of course it would help to have such feedback come from elected maintainers of the communities :-)." CreationDate="2019-03-13T17:20:12.537" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="9778" PostId="5248" Score="1" Text="Indeed the 'How To Format' box is so very misleading. Even when we click into the Help Centre, we still don't know which part to see. You mentioned 'Markdown', but who would know we should look into that part. What does Markdown mean? Who knows! The instruction doesn't use any simple language and is very misleading in every way." CreationDate="2019-03-13T18:20:05.090" UserId="336387" />
  <row Id="9779" PostId="5248" Score="2" Text="@OhLook I think we are supposed to have spent some time in the Help Center before posting, and that the &quot;How to format&quot; box is there mainly to remind us things we should at least roughly know. However, you are right in pointing out that &quot;Markdown&quot; is cited nowhere in the &quot;Asking&quot; section of the [Help] (it's only in &quot;Our Model&quot;), and this makes the documentation not really clear in this regard. Furthermore, note that some advanced stuff is found only on [Meta Stack Exchange](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/22186/410681)." CreationDate="2019-03-13T19:15:44.503" UserId="315749" />
  <row Id="9780" PostId="5247" Score="1" Text="@sourcejedi there is a popup for questions as well. I think it isn't shown after a certain rep level, but I just encountered it today on another SE." CreationDate="2019-03-13T19:59:04.647" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9781" PostId="5249" Score="7" Text="Could you clarify why you would use the learning materials close reason for &quot;Question Overly Broad example lacks understanding&quot;? How is that asking for links to external resources? Why isn't that simply &quot;too broad&quot;?" CreationDate="2019-03-13T20:02:08.647" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9782" PostId="5227" Score="0" Text="Now the questionnaire is live, thanks for collecting questions. E.g. I hadn't thought this one would be very interesting. But when I read the the actual answers - in general I think it gave candidates an opportunity to show how much they'd thought about moderation, which was good.  +0, in case voting would confuse the historical record." CreationDate="2019-03-13T20:30:58.650" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="9783" PostId="5249" Score="2" Text="time sync -&gt; time sink?" CreationDate="2019-03-13T23:02:36.767" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="9784" PostId="5250" Score="0" Text="See also the `&lt;pre&gt;...&lt;/pre&gt;`  which allow formatting within (like with `&lt;b&gt;bold&lt;/b&gt;`) though you need to remember to write the `&lt;`, `&gt;` as `&amp;lt;`, `&amp;gt;` and you don't get syntax highlighting." CreationDate="2019-03-14T16:52:33.013" UserId="22565" />
  <row Id="9785" PostId="5250" Score="0" Text="Is it just my  browser or since a few days, the code blocks show as if there was an extra column on the left. That is pretty annoying and misleading." CreationDate="2019-03-14T16:55:30.217" UserId="22565" />
  <row Id="9786" PostId="5249" Score="0" Text="My thinking is that the lacks understanding part addresses people who are asking for the solution to problems and not for help with specific problems in their implementation of a solution. In general I imagine the issue is not with students seeking help but seeking shortcuts. Though I may not entirely understand what is meant by the question as I am familiarizing myself with the issue as I go." CreationDate="2019-03-14T23:13:18.410" UserId="9110" />
  <row Id="9787" PostId="2704" Score="0" Text="Except that is a black hole that leads nowhere and I find when questions don't get closed they get resolved on SE sites." CreationDate="2019-03-15T03:52:31.540" UserId="130767" />
  <row Id="9788" PostId="5249" Score="8" Text="I don't think number 5 is about bots and tools...?" CreationDate="2019-03-15T13:34:10.363" UserId="118235" />
  <row Id="9789" PostId="5236" Score="0" Text="I've only just read this answer now and found it very insightful. You neglected to mention that you're also a moderator on askubuntu (though that site has a lot more moderators to share the workload with). Many thanks for all the good work you do in maintaining this resource and community." CreationDate="2019-03-15T18:08:04.440" UserId="22812" />
  <row Id="9790" PostId="5236" Score="3" Text="@AnthonyGeoghegan you're very welcome, and thank you for your kind words. I didn't mention Ask Ubuntu (or [bioinformatics.se]) since this was about being a mod here, not there :)" CreationDate="2019-03-15T19:59:01.387" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9791" PostId="5201" Score="1" Text="That's some excellent research, there! Thank you for digging into the data!" CreationDate="2019-03-15T20:54:32.300" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9792" PostId="5251" Score="1" Text="Thank you for introducing yourself, Christopher. It's been a while since we've had an addition here." CreationDate="2019-03-15T23:00:35.240" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="9793" PostId="5249" Score="0" Text="5 is about dealing with someone who is contributing positively dealing with negative reaction. I would start by writing a list of reasons I suspect they are experiencing this situation. My first suspicion would be that they have attracted the attention of some kind of automation whether it be bot or social. This could be wrong but I would be more interested in the downvoters then the posters initially. How are these downvoters getting to this post are these down voters down voting multiple posters? Does it make sense the down voters would naturally come across these posts along  a logic trail." CreationDate="2019-03-16T01:45:02.503" UserId="9110" />
  <row Id="9794" PostId="5252" Score="0" Text="What is the purpose of the bounty? Is it to get a correct answer or to award an existing answer? I'm noticing that the question is quite old and already has five answers..." CreationDate="2019-03-16T18:18:14.813" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="9795" PostId="5252" Score="0" Text="Traffic is highest on the site during the middle of the week." CreationDate="2019-03-16T18:20:27.030" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="9796" PostId="5252" Score="0" Text="@Kusalananda: See edit. None of those answers work." CreationDate="2019-03-16T19:15:35.503" UserId="34868" />
  <row Id="9797" PostId="5253" Score="0" Text="Actually, the variations between any two days are not that high - less than 50% of the lower value. But +1." CreationDate="2019-03-16T19:37:44.180" UserId="34868" />
  <row Id="9798" PostId="5252" Score="4" Text="Be sure to add this fact as the comment to the actual bounty when you add it." CreationDate="2019-03-16T19:42:11.577" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="9799" PostId="5252" Score="0" Text="@Kusalananda: Yes, you're absolutely right, thanks." CreationDate="2019-03-16T19:43:13.793" UserId="34868" />
  <row Id="9801" PostId="5247" Score="0" Text="&quot;answering fewer questions myself&quot; is why not to be a moderator." CreationDate="2019-03-17T16:23:34.657" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9802" PostId="5247" Score="0" Text="But it was not me who downvoted your reply. I couldn't understand the downvote, and so upvoted it." CreationDate="2019-03-17T21:22:51.430" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="9803" PostId="5201" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller Thanks! Actually I hoped I could come up with something more closely related to the question, but I suspect a more useful insight is impossible without seeing vote timestamps — which are not meant to be known (for the better or worse). Nevertheless, data show other interesting trends (less questions per user among new users, lower average score...) that may become fertile topics for meta discussion in the near future." CreationDate="2019-03-18T17:46:26.693" UserId="315749" />
  <row Id="9804" PostId="5249" Score="1" Text="@Arcabard Question 5 seems to be about a user who produces good content, while at the same time getting in arguments with other users and possibly violating the code of conduct. In other words, a good answerer, but a difficult person to deal with." CreationDate="2019-03-18T20:50:12.127" UserId="235596" />
  <row Id="9805" PostId="5252" Score="7" Text="On our site I've formed the opinion that bounties aren't all that effective. If want to use them as a reward for an outstanding answer that's a good use. To drive more interest in something that's old, prob. not a great use. Just my $0.02. There was a data explorer query that Giles produced that backed this up a couple years ago." CreationDate="2019-03-18T21:19:34.010" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="9806" PostId="5253" Score="6" Text="There was a discussion in chat a couple years ago about this and Giles produced a link to SEDE that showed bounties weren't that effective on this site." CreationDate="2019-03-18T21:20:36.440" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="9807" PostId="5249" Score="0" Text="It specifically uses the word &quot;generate&quot; and if you think about the user flow it is more likely the commenters and downvoters are the aggressors. Posters have more to lose in terms of points then the down voters and commenters. Though they may be responding to the mess if the answers are technically decent how are they getting so much agro in the first place. Of course the situation you point out is possible and to that I would ask the user &quot;do you want to be right or useful&quot; this is about people learning and they are not always the best." CreationDate="2019-03-18T21:23:37.280" UserId="9110" />
  <row Id="9808" PostId="5240" Score="2" Text="Annoying, isn't it?  I've been writing markdown pages for many years (my blog is written in it) and I keep forgetting that blank line is needed!  Fortunately, once you know the trick it's easy to edit your post and fix it :-)" CreationDate="2019-03-19T00:12:31.210" UserId="168757" />
  <row Id="9809" PostId="5252" Score="4" Text="Anecdata: I check the Featured Questions maybe 2-3 times/week.  The only time I awarded a bounty was for and old question but it was *after* the answerer had posted their answer. I awarded the bounty because I felt that they had really gone the extra mile in researching the answer:  https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/477511/22812" CreationDate="2019-03-19T10:23:26.260" UserId="22812" />
  <row Id="9810" PostId="5251" Score="0" Text="Thanks for posting. That's really interesting about GNOME/Mate desktops being good choices for users with accessibility requirements." CreationDate="2019-03-19T10:27:58.207" UserId="22812" />
  <row Id="9811" PostId="5257" Score="12" Text="Are you looking for anything beyond what's explained in the [meta thread](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4640/what-should-we-do-about-kali-linux-questions) linked from that Kali question?" CreationDate="2019-03-19T17:44:02.663" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="9812" PostId="5257" Score="7" Text="The questions should virtually never be closed as a duplicate of that question, because they are virtually never a duplicate of that question, but people like to do so for reasons relating to your title question (and some other reasons that Be Nice probably prohibits me from saying)." CreationDate="2019-03-19T20:16:39.730" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="9813" PostId="5258" Score="6" Text="The &quot;Why is Kali Linux so hard to set up? Why won't people help me?&quot; question is not actually a good question, it's mainly a big complaint about Linux and this site. People marked questions that have to do with Linux, with Kali as a spesification (see my other question on this site) as being a duplicate of the &quot;Why won't people help me&quot; question, when it didn't have anything to do with it. I get that a lot of questions may be duplicates, but a lot of them don't have anything to do with that one &quot;Why is this hard&quot; question, meaning that people don't actually get help." CreationDate="2019-03-19T20:50:39.250" UserId="330104" />
  <row Id="9814" PostId="5258" Score="0" Text="I also acknowledge that not helping people who would use Kali to do illegal/harmful activities is good, and that people who are just starting on Linux and wanting to learn how to use it shouldn't be using Kali, but does that mean that they should be immediately tagged as a duplicate? Maybe the guidelines should be clearer, but it seems that most questions that have Kali in them are shut down immediately. I think that if people don't know how to/need help solving a (general Linux) problem, they should get the same answer as if it wasn't for Kali instead of being shut down immediately." CreationDate="2019-03-19T21:04:47.670" UserId="330104" />
  <row Id="9815" PostId="5258" Score="0" Text="@Sam I agree with you. I definitely believe that there is a better solution than linking to that specific post. However, I am providing an answer to your question. It is not site policy to hate on Kali Linux questions merely policy to close perceived low quality posts. I saw your question before it was closed, that was probably unfair closing. So moving forward, we as a community, can work together to provide a better &quot;solution&quot; in such instances that will better assist people and lead to improved posts and answers overall. I will work on an edit for my answer to better express this." CreationDate="2019-03-19T21:57:26.733" UserId="276845" />
  <row Id="9816" PostId="5258" Score="0" Text="Should a system to make sure/encourage high quality posts be put in place then? What kind of thing would do that? Also, is there any possible way to prevent unfair closings?" CreationDate="2019-03-19T22:08:55.740" UserId="330104" />
  <row Id="9817" PostId="5252" Score="4" Text="I agree with @slm.  I've had better luck sharing/promoting the link to the question to people who might be able to answer it, e.g. topical experts or developers of the related tools/systems.  Something that works to your advantage here is that such people (especially in the open source world where support devs are really self-selected) usually really like tricky puzzles in their area of expertise." CreationDate="2019-03-19T22:24:02.370" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="9818" PostId="5259" Score="0" Text="Thanks for writing this up. IYO would you prefer that we say they're off-topic and state why, as in our policy is that we do not see them as on-topic b/c that particular distro is niche to the security field and as a whole, traditionally Unix/Linux user do not typically have expertise to A'er those types of questions effectively?" CreationDate="2019-03-20T01:03:30.183" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="9819" PostId="5259" Score="0" Text="I don't think it's feasible to exclude them in general, because many (most?) of the *low-quality* questions are in the generic vein that could apply just as much on any distribution (&quot;how do I perform this data transformation from the shell?&quot;), just poorly presented. The questions from people trying to use it as a desktop operating system I'm not sure about, because I don't know enough about how Kali is set up to know if that's just completely non-viable or unique at all. The specialised, expert questions are the only ones that can really be identified as a separate thing in that way." CreationDate="2019-03-20T01:12:30.547" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="9820" PostId="5259" Score="0" Text="I don't really object to a blanket ban on pragmatic grounds, it's just not really consistent." CreationDate="2019-03-20T01:13:56.067" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="9821" PostId="5260" Score="0" Text="What if instead of marking questions as a duplicate of the &quot;Why is this hard&quot; question, which extremely confuses (and can anger) people, people who asked low effort questions should be directed to the answers of the that question, where the help lies? That, or direct them towards making it a higher effort/quality question?" CreationDate="2019-03-20T01:47:16.240" UserId="330104" />
  <row Id="9822" PostId="5260" Score="1" Text="@Sam - That's basically what's suppose  to happen now. If low effort use one of the standard close reasons until they improve it. Basically that Dup Q has just become a lightning rod that all the trash Q's get piled on to." CreationDate="2019-03-20T02:12:50.943" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="9823" PostId="5259" Score="2" Text="That's kind of how we arrived at the current approach. We were backed into it b/c (1) we didn't want to close/ban them outright and (2) the gamut of Q's within &quot;Kali&quot; was a vein of Q's we clearly wanted to include but difficult/expensive to mine the jewel from the ore given the manpower we have on this site to devote to the effort." CreationDate="2019-03-20T02:16:57.603" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="9824" PostId="5260" Score="0" Text="@Sam - much of the time many of us were devoting to the site was being consumed by those Q's with efforts to try and clean them up and edit them into useful Q's and then the asker would either disappear w/o providing additional details or would bury whatever person was willing to help w/ a &quot;help desk&quot; engagement." CreationDate="2019-03-20T02:29:00.473" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="9825" PostId="5260" Score="0" Text="@Sam - to try and fix the problem 2 things would likely have to happen, we'd need more agreed buy-in from ppl on the site to help pitch-in and try and help actively sort the incoming Q's and the current Q's associated to the primary Dup Q would need to be sifted and either deleted or try to salvage." CreationDate="2019-03-20T02:32:03.380" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="9826" PostId="5260" Score="0" Text="Ok, how about making a protected post about making/editing to make a better post and about general advice or links to some general advice/help?" CreationDate="2019-03-20T02:51:12.627" UserId="330104" />
  <row Id="9827" PostId="5260" Score="0" Text="(cont.) instead of directing people to a question that confuses (and can anger) people, and isn't very helpful from a quick glance." CreationDate="2019-03-20T03:53:32.257" UserId="330104" />
  <row Id="9828" PostId="5260" Score="2" Text="While there are many bad Kali questions, I tend to agree that some users react instinctively to the mention of Kali and vote-to-close without judging questions on their own merit. I came across [Sam’s question](https://unix.stackexchange.com/q/492910/22812) in the *Close Vote* review queue. As the question provided sufficient detail to be answerable, I voted to keep it open and posted an answer. I later nominated it for re-opening and edited it to improve its chances of being re-opened – but not enough users voted to re-open the question. :(" CreationDate="2019-03-20T10:59:16.520" UserId="22812" />
  <row Id="9829" PostId="5257" Score="3" Text="It's a good, valid question (regardless of one's position on Kali questions) so I'd be very surprised if this gets *&quot;down-voted to oblivion&quot;*." CreationDate="2019-03-20T12:10:02.253" UserId="22812" />
  <row Id="9830" PostId="5257" Score="1" Text="Relevant, given I just asked a question regarding Kali distribution and got it linked to the exact thread you've noted in your question. At this point, I lost faith in StackExchange. I have been here long enough, and I can see this is no longer a platform that enables people to ask questions no matter how big or small, and it's not a question of how much a person has done prior to asking the question, the person could have done all they could, given their level of knowledge on the subject, and you'd still get bashed for one reason or another" CreationDate="2019-03-20T14:33:37.663" UserId="342698" />
  <row Id="9831" PostId="5257" Score="1" Text="@AnthonyGeoghegan people don't liked being called out on things that they do, so I wouldn't be surprised if some of those people downvoted this thread." CreationDate="2019-03-20T14:41:44.447" UserId="330104" />
  <row Id="9832" PostId="5262" Score="0" Text="You might have the Meta U&amp;L site sorted by &quot;Active&quot; (or use the Home URL, which sorts similarly, I think) -- and sourcejedi's answer to the Question bumped it up." CreationDate="2019-03-20T14:56:12.217" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9833" PostId="5262" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller, yes, finding this meta was clear enough. I meant why the original non-meta Q came up. I actually _thought_ Community had bumped it, but the real reason was something else. I really should have checked that more closely, since now it was my edit that actually bumped it. Well, I think I'll remember that the next time..." CreationDate="2019-03-20T15:10:23.620" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="9834" PostId="5263" Score="1" Text="+1, something like this crossed my mind, so thanks for taking the time to write this out as a suggestion. As it stands, the phrasing on the &quot;Why is Kali hard...&quot; question could be nicer, IMO. (The _answer_ is fine, though, I think). One issue here is that rephrasing it as you showed would make it less of a _question_, so it'd be a bit of an abuse of the Q&amp;A format. But should that be a hard obstacle?" CreationDate="2019-03-20T15:40:32.270" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="9835" PostId="5257" Score="2" Text="In my experience, most of the Meta participants are mature, thoughtful and constructive contributors – even when discussing issues that they personally find to be frustrating. Most people have got a lot out of this site and are genuinely interested in maintaining its quality and usefulness." CreationDate="2019-03-20T17:24:40.937" UserId="22812" />
  <row Id="9836" PostId="5265" Score="0" Text="Can you provide references to the labeled &quot;opinion-based&quot; material so we can get a better idea of what it is?" CreationDate="2019-03-21T03:57:30.877" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="9837" PostId="5265" Score="0" Text="You mean the link at the top?" CreationDate="2019-03-21T06:11:40.550" UserId="118662" />
  <row Id="9838" PostId="5264" Score="0" Text="Thank you for the enjoyable answer, Jeff. To paraphrase Tangled, this was an answer worth waiting for. :-)" CreationDate="2019-03-21T07:23:42.290" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="9839" PostId="5263" Score="4" Text="I appreciate the thought behind this answer, but I fear that in practice it would extend the problem we have to non-Kali questions, because the resulting question would appear to be more generic." CreationDate="2019-03-21T12:15:13.677" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="9840" PostId="5266" Score="0" Text="I can see your point. I'm a bit confused because I think I added those phrases to make it less &quot;opinion-based&quot;. But I made the changes you suggested, and also tried to shorten it a bit (I think I'm chronically verbose). Thank you for your attention." CreationDate="2019-03-21T13:01:31.790" UserId="118662" />
  <row Id="9841" PostId="5263" Score="0" Text="@StephenKitt what if I edited it to be more Kali specific?" CreationDate="2019-03-21T13:18:48.767" UserId="330104" />
  <row Id="9842" PostId="5265" Score="0" Text="I took this stmt: &quot;...researching this I have come across some information which I may eventually want to record as an answer to the aforementioned question...&quot; to mean there was additional src materials beyond your other U&amp;L Q." CreationDate="2019-03-21T14:36:30.833" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="9843" PostId="5257" Score="2" Text="@AnthonyGeoghegan: Remember that the voting rules are different on Meta.   If a Meta post even hints at a point of view, then it’s considered acceptable to down vote it if you disagree with the point of view, regardless of the objective quality of the post.  That said, even though I firmly support the rapid closure of naïve, low-quality Kali questions, I have not voted on *this* Meta question." CreationDate="2019-03-21T15:51:26.160" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="9844" PostId="5253" Score="0" Text="Uhm... It looks like the linked SEDE query lists the number of bounties _awarded_ to answers (vote type 9 is &quot;BountyClose&quot;, and only BountyClose votes on answers happen to have amount &gt; 0). Please, compare it with [this one](https://data.stackexchange.com/unix/query/1012384). For those who like playing with data, [this other query](https://data.stackexchange.com/unix/query/1012987) attempts to relate bounties' effects to the weekday they are placed on. Apparently, it confirms that the differences are not significant." CreationDate="2019-03-21T16:17:48.920" UserId="315749" />
  <row Id="9846" PostId="5250" Score="0" Text="(0) It seems to be good enough to say `\`\`\`sh`; you don’t need `lang-`. … (Cont’d)" CreationDate="2019-03-21T18:59:13.207" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="9847" PostId="5250" Score="0" Text="(Cont’d) …  (1) Apparently you get syntax highlighting if you use ``&lt;pre&gt;&lt;code&gt;...&lt;/code&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;``.  (2) If you use `&lt;Pre&gt;...&lt;/pre&gt;` (where any or all of the letters in the opening `&lt;pre&gt;` are capitalized), you can use Markdown (`*italic*` and `**bold**`).  (3) I hadn’t noticed the “extra column on the left” (although I guess I see it now that you mentioned it), but, just in the past few days, I have noticed that there seem to be fractional blank lines at the top and bottom of every code block — as if somebody added approximately 6 pt. padding on (at least) the top, bottom and left." CreationDate="2019-03-21T18:59:15.693" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="9848" PostId="5265" Score="0" Text="Oh, huh. Maybe that sounded too mysterious. It's mostly that I realized Git is much better for me than Quilt; I tried git-series but I couldn't tell what it was doing behind the scenes; potentially same complaint about Guilt. Basically `git am` and `git format-patch` are my friends now." CreationDate="2019-03-21T21:26:59.107" UserId="118662" />
  <row Id="9849" PostId="5218" Score="0" Text="A question for the future (I believe I asked it in chat this round): how many of the moderator-only duties are available through a mobile device's web browser?" CreationDate="2019-03-22T00:59:12.507" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9850" PostId="5270" Score="0" Text="You might delete it, but it's not mandatory. You'll loose bonus point doing so (20 as of now). Be aware that high user will still see your delete answer." CreationDate="2019-03-22T14:17:17.947" UserId="79818" />
  <row Id="9851" PostId="5257" Score="5" Text="Blame Mr. Robot. No, really." CreationDate="2019-03-23T06:06:51.590" UserId="277264" />
  <row Id="9852" PostId="5261" Score="1" Text="s/Google/Robot/" CreationDate="2019-03-23T06:10:35.180" UserId="277264" />
  <row Id="9857" PostId="5270" Score="0" Text="You don't deserve to lose the rep" CreationDate="2019-03-25T22:05:46.937" UserId="136107" />
  <row Id="9858" PostId="5273" Score="3" Text="You cast a close vote for &quot;unclear what you're asking&quot;." CreationDate="2019-03-26T13:33:08.513" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9860" PostId="5274" Score="0" Text="What is strange though is that I do not remember casting a vote close for this question. I guess I'm a bit tired" CreationDate="2019-03-26T15:56:29.090" UserId="53092" />
  <row Id="9861" PostId="5274" Score="0" Text="I have an answer for that, too!  Goodnight! :)" CreationDate="2019-03-26T15:58:08.147" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9862" PostId="5274" Score="0" Text="But it's 05:00pm in France" CreationDate="2019-03-26T15:58:51.670" UserId="53092" />
  <row Id="9863" PostId="5274" Score="0" Text="I'm sorry, I don't control time yet. :)" CreationDate="2019-03-26T16:01:58.267" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9864" PostId="5274" Score="0" Text="Should I uncast my moderators vote for you ? :P" CreationDate="2019-03-26T16:04:34.403" UserId="53092" />
  <row Id="9865" PostId="5274" Score="2" Text="If you demand a time lord for a moderator, then yes :)" CreationDate="2019-03-26T16:08:37.887" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9866" PostId="5270" Score="0" Text="I can imagine the two users thinking the same at the same time, and excluding the two answers." CreationDate="2019-03-26T18:40:34.693" UserId="170792" />
  <row Id="9867" PostId="5259" Score="8" Text="@slm I am becoming more and more convinced that we should close the &quot;Kali is hard&quot; question so it can no longer be used as a dupe target. It was a good idea, but I agree 100% with Michael that it is being abused." CreationDate="2019-03-26T19:54:43.800" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9869" PostId="5277" Score="3" Text="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QQBB3cwNM0#t=2m10" CreationDate="2019-03-26T20:10:53.547" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="9870" PostId="5277" Score="0" Text="Thank you, and ditto! :)" CreationDate="2019-03-26T20:33:33.183" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9872" PostId="5277" Score="0" Text="Echoing Jeff, thanks and I hope so too :-)" CreationDate="2019-03-26T21:49:20.587" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="9873" PostId="5275" Score="1" Text="This is wrong. You can vote to close your own question, and your vote will be listed in the same way as anybody else's. There is a separate mechanism if you ask a question, and someone else casts a duplicate vote but the question isn't closed yet, you can accept the duplicate vote. In that case, the question will become immediately marked as closed as a duplicate, and the closure will be attributed to the close voters so far (excluding you) plus Community." CreationDate="2019-03-26T23:45:22.553" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="9874" PostId="5277" Score="0" Text="Congratulations @Kusalananda and Jeff! :-)" CreationDate="2019-03-27T09:24:26.977" UserId="112235" />
  <row Id="9875" PostId="5276" Score="2" Text="Thanks for linking to the Opavote summary report. It’s an informative explanation of how the votes were transferred after Kusulananda reached the quota. I was curious about how the threshold was calculated but after re-reading, I saw that the *Droop* formula was used, of which Wikipedia has a [good explanation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droop_quota).  Congratulations to Kusulananda and Jeff. I, for one, welcome our new multitasking, multiuser, Bell Labs-inspired overlords!" CreationDate="2019-03-27T15:04:28.327" UserId="22812" />
  <row Id="9876" PostId="5259" Score="0" Text="@terdon - I agree, but what shall we do as our new game plan with dealing w/ them?" CreationDate="2019-03-27T15:52:48.023" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="9877" PostId="5276" Score="2" Text="@AnthonyGeoghegan: Yes, that report is excellent. STV systems are more complicated than traditional vote counting systems, but having access to that sort of summary helps a ton." CreationDate="2019-03-27T16:42:25.350" UserId="21281" />
  <row Id="9878" PostId="5259" Score="2" Text="It's not clear to me that there needs to be a game plan different to other questions, which get closed, edited, and voted upon all the time, and people mostly manage to behave themselves. If there's a will to declare them off-topic with the polite mostly-fiction that the necessary security expertise to answer them isn't found here, so be it, but I do think that needs to be raised explicitly (separately)." CreationDate="2019-03-28T01:23:40.407" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="9879" PostId="5259" Score="0" Text="In re the dupe target, is the &quot;historical lock&quot; still something you can do to more recent questions?" CreationDate="2019-03-28T01:24:36.023" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="9880" PostId="5277" Score="0" Text="Yay, my #1 and #2 votes won ;-)  They've definitely got more patience than me for some of the more problematic edge cases caused by an open community like this!" CreationDate="2019-03-28T01:38:43.253" UserId="168757" />
  <row Id="9881" PostId="5279" Score="2" Text="Participation in review queue and probably in meta also are things may be expected from experienced users I think." CreationDate="2019-03-28T13:42:38.003" UserId="66803" />
  <row Id="9882" PostId="5279" Score="1" Text="@Pandya yes, indeed; I’m more interested here in things which aren’t so easily discoverable." CreationDate="2019-03-28T13:46:50.837" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="9883" PostId="5279" Score="6" Text="I was wondering what mods could possibly come up with, but then I saw your example: flagging is something I do extremely rarely on any SE site, because it indeed feels like invoking Zeus when I can also just take actions like comment to let the user know they did wrong, downvote if applicable, etc. Would be interesting to hear their perspective on this, and there are probably other things as well." CreationDate="2019-03-28T22:53:23.093" UserId="30731" />
  <row Id="9884" PostId="5257" Score="2" Text="Perhaps an edit to the tonality of that question can help. I think it's valid to tell someone that they're using the wrong tool for a job, but it should possible to do that without condescension." CreationDate="2019-03-29T10:58:01.527" UserId="173368" />
  <row Id="9885" PostId="5283" Score="0" Text="Shame on me! I failed to realize it was a kind of edge case in which the answerer purposefully used code fences (supported elsewhere) when they were still unsupported on SE. And of course I should have imagined that the original markdown is not parsed each time we ask for a page." CreationDate="2019-03-30T08:44:41.113" UserId="315749" />
  <row Id="9887" PostId="5283" Score="0" Text="Ah good. I did not have all the background to this." CreationDate="2019-03-30T08:46:34.987" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="9894" PostId="5286" Score="0" Text="I haven't been in the Close review queue lately, so I can't comment on the recent queue items, but I'd call those easy &quot;leave open&quot; votes! Perhaps the close-voter will pipe up here and describe what they're going for; short of that, perhaps they could comment on the questions before casting the close vote to indicate why the question should be closed." CreationDate="2019-04-01T00:40:16.723" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9895" PostId="5286" Score="0" Text="Oh yeah, they're easy &quot;leave open&quot; votes.  But they clutter the queue and may mean I run out of votes to use on more recent posts." CreationDate="2019-04-01T00:44:23.433" UserId="168757" />
  <row Id="9896" PostId="5286" Score="1" Text="Just in case you're concerned about it, I don't *think* that &quot;Leave Open&quot; votes use up your &quot;close&quot; quota. (Confirmation needed) If you think they're close-worthy, then you've put a vote to good use! If you do run out of votes, you can always re-enter the queue the next &quot;day&quot; to tackle what's left." CreationDate="2019-04-01T00:59:29.857" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9898" PostId="5286" Score="0" Text="I can't really tell without any examples, but based on my experience, sometimes questions with an accepted answer can still be unclear: if the answer is a pure guess/making assumption that incidentally matches the question's case. At the very least, try to evaluate the question without the answers and see if it's answerable without guessing." CreationDate="2019-04-01T12:31:01.703" UserId="90391" />
  <row Id="9900" PostId="5287" Score="4" Text="I like this idea." CreationDate="2019-04-01T17:32:30.393" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="9901" PostId="5287" Score="2" Text="Another category of &quot;problematic Google results&quot; in my experience is questions which are littered with trivial or too specific details, which makes finding solutions for similar issues require more effort (harder to quickly see how similar/relevant the the questions/answers are)." CreationDate="2019-04-01T17:39:16.060" UserId="239817" />
  <row Id="9903" PostId="5287" Score="2" Text="I don't think the question was too broad in the first place. It seems like a standard software recommendation question with pretty clear requirements already, and it should just be reopened." CreationDate="2019-04-01T20:13:52.620" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="9904" PostId="5287" Score="1" Text="@MichaelHomer That may well be the case, however this broader discussion should cover high view count questions regardless of whether they are good as-is or not. Really it comes down to either redirecting users away from these questions (so the view count rate drops) or improving their quality (so those who view the question get what they were looking for.)" CreationDate="2019-04-01T21:12:58.797" UserId="39092" />
  <row Id="9909" PostId="5288" Score="3" Text="I might be mis-remembering; there was apparently a question-to-accepted ratio, not a Q/A ratio. The latter is pretty easy to grab from the user profile." CreationDate="2019-04-02T01:04:30.210" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9910" PostId="5287" Score="5" Text="I find a lot of questions with a better written Title closed but with answers and marked duplicate of a question that doesn't show on Google results at all. Managing Titles after OP has gotten answer to make questions more general and searchable seems like a good start to resolving this." CreationDate="2019-04-02T03:18:55.830" UserId="130767" />
  <row Id="9911" PostId="5288" Score="2" Text="Why would this be a good thing? I mean, why would we want to encourage people to answer rather than ask? Both asking and answering are essential to the workings of the site, and people who can answer will answer while those who have a question will ask." CreationDate="2019-04-02T08:23:57.100" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9912" PostId="5287" Score="2" Text="@FreeSoftwareServers That's a good point that I hadn't considered. In addition to de-optimizing search attractiveness on closed questions, we could work on optimizing their alternatives." CreationDate="2019-04-02T13:46:37.140" UserId="39092" />
  <row Id="9913" PostId="5287" Score="1" Text="Beware of &quot;improving&quot; those questions into irrelevance. The question you link to has already the *right* answer -- use `jq` to pretty-print json data. I really don't see what &quot;higher quality&quot; answer could be provided to it." CreationDate="2019-04-02T18:11:06.153" UserDisplayName="user313992" />
  <row Id="9917" PostId="5287" Score="2" Text="Interesting, and I agree that the chosen reasons for many closed questions are debatable. But I think the problem space has to be narrowed 1) Closed ≠ low quality: only the &quot;Unclear&quot; close reason sounds quality-related. I think there is no much justification for keeping search engines away from closed Qs. 2) Beware the negativity bias: excluding duplicates, less than 3% of questions with 1000+ views are closed (similar results for 10,000+ views). (And duplicates are supposed to be a feature, not an issue, even in relation to search results)." CreationDate="2019-04-03T14:26:29.793" UserId="315749" />
  <row Id="9919" PostId="5287" Score="1" Text="@fra-san thanks for the effort to take it to the next level. I was going to check to see how pervasive the issue might be, but it sounds like you already did that. I'm glad to see that it's a small number, which is what I would expect. There's certainly some observer bias going on since I'm bound to notice more of these issues as I started to pay attention to them." CreationDate="2019-04-03T17:11:07.140" UserId="39092" />
  <row Id="9922" PostId="5288" Score="0" Text="And how would you solve a problem with dividing by zero? You didn't think of it, huh?" CreationDate="2019-04-03T21:24:44.297" UserId="80886" />
  <row Id="9926" PostId="5166" Score="2" Text="Upvated, and I agree 100%. Frustrating, looking for install/kickstart related questions and finding Data Science stuff I know nothing about. :)" CreationDate="2019-04-04T15:40:35.150" UserId="62481" />
  <row Id="9928" PostId="5290" Score="1" Text="Great topic! &quot;...damage done by a Linux distribution's installer.&quot; Cut's to the heart of the matter. Have an upvote! :)" CreationDate="2019-04-04T15:57:33.770" UserId="62481" />
  <row Id="9929" PostId="5290" Score="1" Text="Do you have any more suggested posts that deal well with these issues, which could be used as the 'default' (probably not), or used to inform a new question and response which could become the 'default'?" CreationDate="2019-04-04T16:04:05.003" UserId="62481" />
  <row Id="9930" PostId="5280" Score="0" Text="This is by design as described by the accepted answer." CreationDate="2019-04-04T19:53:38.700" UserId="53522" />
  <row Id="9931" PostId="5292" Score="2" Text="All good thought it was personal agrandment." CreationDate="2019-04-04T21:45:00.373" UserId="344969" />
  <row Id="9932" PostId="5296" Score="0" Text="FWIW, the author of that other question wasn't me..." CreationDate="2019-04-05T01:58:40.433" UserId="168757" />
  <row Id="9933" PostId="5296" Score="0" Text="Oops, sorry, I wasn't paying enough attention." CreationDate="2019-04-05T06:30:33.523" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="9934" PostId="5298" Score="6" Text="I do not see any harm on promoting sister SE stack Exchange sites." CreationDate="2019-04-05T13:16:15.227" UserId="138261" />
  <row Id="9935" PostId="5298" Score="4" Text="@RuiFRibeiro I don't either, to be honest, but since I'm a mod here and I've found myself leaving many such comments, I thought I may as well ask! :)" CreationDate="2019-04-05T13:26:50.230" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9936" PostId="5290" Score="1" Text="Alas a lot of these are hard to find since many people have interpreted them as windows (only) questions and closed them." CreationDate="2019-04-05T13:28:27.170" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="9937" PostId="5261" Score="0" Text="Not only Google. Udemy has some courses better than other, but simply they do not scale well. Many people that does not get answers there end up here." CreationDate="2019-04-05T13:29:21.083" UserId="138261" />
  <row Id="9939" PostId="5300" Score="2" Text="I think of my comments as being like the third example you give here. Only instead of a tag, it's an entire site with a whole load of relevant content. And there's no other way of doing this. There is no link to Bioinformatics anywhere on the site. I am guessing you're referring to the Hot Network Questions list, but questions from Bioinformatics almost never make it there (there may have been one in all the time the site has existed, but maybe not even that). So when I see users here who I feel would benefit from knowing about the other site, I mention it." CreationDate="2019-04-05T14:30:02.817" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9940" PostId="5298" Score="0" Text="Shouldn't this question be on main SE meta site?" CreationDate="2019-04-05T15:10:40.857" UserId="336403" />
  <row Id="9941" PostId="5298" Score="1" Text="@Biswapriyo no, why? I want to know how _this_ community feels about one of its elected moderators leaving comments like this. I already know there's no network-wide rule against it." CreationDate="2019-04-05T15:22:05.840" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9942" PostId="5298" Score="1" Text="&quot;there's no network-wide rule against it&quot; -- that's I want to know. Thank you." CreationDate="2019-04-05T15:28:36.987" UserId="336403" />
  <row Id="9945" PostId="5300" Score="0" Text="They are not like it, though, as I said.  Moreover, that case only happens very rarely, with the common case being specific pointers (as I even did just today at https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/510705/5132).  You are in contrast suggesting making general boilerplate comments most of the time.  And clearly there _is_ another way of doing this, otherwise the vi site would not regularly have appeared in an advert on the right hand side of the page over the years." CreationDate="2019-04-05T16:04:42.417" UserId="5132" />
  <row Id="9946" PostId="5300" Score="0" Text="Oh, no I am not suggesting any kind of boilerplate. This is very specifically about me, a local mod on both sites, leaving _manual_ comments to inform bioinformaticians I run into here that there is a site dedicated to the field. It isn't really the same thing as the vi site since this is an entire _field_. So it isn't just a case of the specific question being better off on the other site, but that I want to inform the OP that the other site exists. Good point about having a community ad about this though, I'll make one." CreationDate="2019-04-05T16:08:48.760" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9947" PostId="5298" Score="0" Text="Should the fact that bionformatics.SE is a beta site be somehow taken into consideration to avoid the suspicion that such comments were an attempt to divert potentially legitimate questions from U&amp;L? (This may be totally irrelevant, I know almost nothing about beta sites and graduation. But I'm often inclined to play the devil's advocate)." CreationDate="2019-04-05T16:33:44.723" UserId="315749" />
  <row Id="9949" PostId="5279" Score="0" Text="I am very interesting how mods allow themselves to wipe comments. This is a SE trend. And this is very bad, they become much more aggressive and inadequate in this." CreationDate="2019-04-05T18:52:01.597" UserId="163594" />
  <row Id="9950" PostId="5288" Score="0" Text="@jimmij just display the fraction. Doesn't have to be a real number" CreationDate="2019-04-05T19:35:57.667" UserId="139546" />
  <row Id="9951" PostId="5286" Score="5" Text="@JeffSchaller: ‘‘Leave Open’’ doesn’t count as a ***vote**,* but it counts as a *review*, and we mere mortals get only 20 of them (per queue) per day." CreationDate="2019-04-05T23:25:37.900" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="9952" PostId="5286" Score="1" Text="Excellent point, G-Man; thank you! [found the  reference](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/147981/307535)" CreationDate="2019-04-05T23:32:50.460" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9953" PostId="5303" Score="2" Text="Sounds like a reasonable approach, and that's what I'll do. As an aside, I suppose now I should ask a question along the lines of. &quot;What set of circumstances will cause these two statements to yield the same answer?&quot; Then I'd learn where I screwed up :)" CreationDate="2019-04-06T01:54:11.523" UserId="286615" />
  <row Id="9955" PostId="5279" Score="3" Text="@Croll Are you thinking of any particular comment? If you feel that a moderator has acted wrongly, I'd recommend that you either submit a moderation flag on the associated question or answer, or that you bring it up for discussion here on this Meta site in a new question." CreationDate="2019-04-06T20:10:18.467" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="9957" PostId="5279" Score="5" Text="@Croll it isn't that we &quot;allow ourselves&quot;, this is a conscious decision and part of how the site works. Comments are, by design, transient. They should be used for asking for clarification and, if they contain useful information, should be edited into the question. So yes, it's an SE trend, but it's a feature, not a bug. We want all information to be either in questions or in answers. Comments just clutter things up and that's why they're regularly deleted." CreationDate="2019-04-07T14:16:47.153" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9958" PostId="5301" Score="1" Text="This sounds like a solid plan to resolve this. I have been on a personal crusade the last several days to edit all of the 'data science' questions that are tagged Anaconda (with the kickstart-installer related tag). I would welcome a clear distinction. I don't _want_ to just arbitrarily strip the Anaconda tag without adding a proper replacement, but the questions are not always specifically Python related." CreationDate="2019-04-07T15:56:40.380" UserId="62481" />
  <row Id="9959" PostId="5308" Score="2" Text="Thanks for your question! I migrated your question to our Meta site.  This is where we ask or discuss issues _relating to_ the Unix &amp; Linux site." CreationDate="2019-04-07T21:54:25.887" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="9960" PostId="5295" Score="1" Text="I would add that significant edits (the ones which put words in the asker's mouth) should ideally be done by 2K+ users, otherwise there is a risk that the effort will be wasted when someone (rightfully!) rejects such an edit as conflicting with original intent." CreationDate="2019-04-08T07:54:39.883" UserId="106927" />
  <row Id="9961" PostId="5279" Score="0" Text="I do not reply exactly because of this, - you ignore the thesis and literally the message, justifying cases of violation where flags did not work but no other proof left. And still my ask is to express opinions of mods, not my specific issues" CreationDate="2019-04-08T12:05:22.667" UserId="163594" />
  <row Id="9962" PostId="5279" Score="1" Text="(1/2) Croll, I'll encourage you to open a separate Meta question so that you can explain your situation in more detail. As-is, you have two points in your first comment (&quot;how mods allow themselves to wipe comments&quot; and &quot;this is very bad; they are much more aggressive and inadequate in this&quot;), but we don't have any context around your concern. It sounds like you've attempted to flag posts in the past, so a Meta post is the appropriate next step to address those concerns." CreationDate="2019-04-08T18:19:00.273" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9963" PostId="5279" Score="1" Text="(2/2) If, on the other hand, you're curious about the moderators' opinions on deleting comments, perhaps you can narrow it down, based on terdon's response?" CreationDate="2019-04-08T18:19:10.487" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9964" PostId="5295" Score="1" Text="@DmitryGrigoryev if the reviewer can do such edits, editors should be able to." CreationDate="2019-04-08T18:24:32.577" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="9965" PostId="5297" Score="0" Text="No offense, but maybe it was just too long for you to want to read it carefully? For example I don't know where you get &quot;Why do you want to use a distribution package rather than compile the upstream source, if you aren't going to do a system-wide installation?&quot;" CreationDate="2019-04-09T02:10:04.583" UserId="118662" />
  <row Id="9966" PostId="5297" Score="0" Text="I have read your question. I had to read it several times to try to figure out what you're trying to do, and it's still not clear to me (which is why I think there's an XY problem. You should really edit your question, add a paragraph or two about your overall goal and why you're doing what you've done so far. Then take a break, clear your mind and try to read your question from a fresh perspective: does it make sense on its own?" CreationDate="2019-04-09T08:11:51.650" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="9968" PostId="5312" Score="0" Text="In searching, I've come up with https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/185491/what-is-the-deleted-recent-questions-page-in-the-user-profile , which I'd never noticed before, and also https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2645/show-all-of-my-question-answers-to-me-even-if-they-are-deleted which was linked to from the FAQ https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5221/how-does-deleting-work-what-can-cause-a-post-to-be-deleted-and-what-does-that" CreationDate="2019-04-09T13:04:05.040" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9969" PostId="5311" Score="0" Text="I'm guessing the search engine simply reads the options in the order they were given. So the second `deleted:no` overwrites the first `deleted:yes`. This is also why `user:674 deleted:no deleted:yes` will only return deleted posts." CreationDate="2019-04-09T13:31:24.737" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9972" PostId="5313" Score="0" Text="I believe you can always see your deleted posts; the FAQ had wording like &quot;always visible to the author&quot;" CreationDate="2019-04-09T13:38:51.967" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9974" PostId="5313" Score="2" Text="@JeffSchaller you can see them but you can't search them. I just tested with a sock account that has posted a deleted question and searching for `user:NNN deleted:all` returns nothing." CreationDate="2019-04-09T13:40:55.853" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9976" PostId="5301" Score="1" Text="Happy to hear; I wanted to make sure there was a good amount of consensus before mucking with the tags. I see you're currently editing some posts to remove stray tags; might I suggest waiting until we have replacement tags so that it's easier to keep those posts appropriately tagged?" CreationDate="2019-04-09T14:38:40.347" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9977" PostId="5301" Score="0" Text="I can do that. My 'CDO' (its O.C.D., except alphabetized... *chuckle*) was acting up. I'll hold off until I see new tags." CreationDate="2019-04-09T14:39:56.137" UserId="62481" />
  <row Id="9978" PostId="5301" Score="0" Text="Thank you! Given that only a percentage of U&amp;L users visit Meta, and only a percentage of those care about these tags, I don't expect massive amounts of voting, although 29 votes on the Q is impressive. If you can wait a few more days, I'll revisit this to make sure there are no objections, then proceed. (And I've had [this link](http://www.badideatshirts.com/I-HAVE-CDO-ITS-LIKE-OCD-BUT-ALL-THE-LETTERS-ARE-IN-ALPHABETICAL-ORDER-AS-THEY-SHOULD-BE-T-SHIRT-P2366.aspx) bookmarked for longer than I can remember. Saving it for a birthday gift at some point!)" CreationDate="2019-04-09T14:43:05.370" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9979" PostId="5301" Score="0" Text="#TakeMyMoney =)" CreationDate="2019-04-09T14:44:03.213" UserId="62481" />
  <row Id="9980" PostId="5301" Score="0" Text="Once I see the new tags I will try to make an effort to go back (using my inbox messages) and add the new anaconda-datascience or whatever it ends up being to those other posts. Many of them seem to have activity and answers." CreationDate="2019-04-09T14:51:34.633" UserId="62481" />
  <row Id="9981" PostId="3629" Score="1" Text="Any new answer is better than none." CreationDate="2019-04-09T19:19:06.753" UserId="270469" />
  <row Id="9982" PostId="5312" Score="0" Text="IIRC the only posts that were permanently deleted were those which were purged from the database - that hoax rm -rf / post on SF, some legendary joke posts on SO and so on." CreationDate="2019-04-10T01:25:42.943" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="9983" PostId="5297" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the advice." CreationDate="2019-04-10T16:19:07.440" UserId="118662" />
  <row Id="9984" PostId="5290" Score="0" Text="Would you expect a Windows expert to be able to tell you how to reinstall a Linux bootloader, because you overwrote it with a Windows one? If so, why? If not, why is your proposal any better? Also, a thought experiment: if you overwrote a Windows bootloader with grub, then overwrote grub with zeros and then you want to reinstall the Windows bootloader, is it *still* a &quot;unix question&quot;?" CreationDate="2019-04-11T23:49:50.883" UserDisplayName="user41515" />
  <row Id="9985" PostId="5290" Score="0" Text="@Wumpus there you have assumed legacy boot. This topic or rather more nuanced with the introduction of EFI. But yes discussing *what is done by* `dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda` is clearly a Unix question!" CreationDate="2019-04-12T07:22:30.243" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="9988" PostId="5290" Score="0" Text="If &quot;what is done&quot; is &quot;you have a clean slate; all operating systems are equally non-bootable&quot; why is it OK to expect Unix people to have the answers for making non-Unix operating systems boot?" CreationDate="2019-04-12T23:31:41.667" UserDisplayName="user41515" />
  <row Id="9989" PostId="5290" Score="0" Text="It's reasonable to expect linux users to understand how an installer works and understand the damage it might do.  The fact that the damage is irreversible is in point of fact specialist Linux knowledge.  Indeed with EFI it regularly **isn't** irriversable and the question requires no windows knowledge to answer.  In the case of legacy boot It's perfectly legitimate for Linux users to answer with &quot;here's a description of the damage that was done ... Here's the question(s) you should seek answers to next, they should be directed to windows experts&quot;." CreationDate="2019-04-13T06:21:46.500" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="9990" PostId="5286" Score="0" Text="I've been seeing more questions closed recently by people who I think did not understand the question. I wish there was a meta-meta so I could vote that some moderator's votes should count less. It's too easy to vote to close, and there's no penalty for being sloppy." CreationDate="2019-04-13T08:38:19.160" UserId="146568" />
  <row Id="9991" PostId="5316" Score="15" Text="Nice work, terdon." CreationDate="2019-04-13T15:11:03.293" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="9992" PostId="5316" Score="9" Text="+1; This was a long overdue action." CreationDate="2019-04-13T15:13:39.520" UserId="166226" />
  <row Id="9994" PostId="5317" Score="3" Text="Yes, exactly. Thanks for laying it out in black and white. I was trying to both explain why I closed and suggest a way to proceed so I might not have been as clear as I intended. This is precisely what I am suggesting, yes." CreationDate="2019-04-13T15:32:08.253" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="9995" PostId="5316" Score="10" Text="&quot;*I made an executive decision and closed the WKHQ **so it can no longer server as a dupe target.***&quot;, well, that won't work actually. Closed questions can still be used as a dupe target (I just tried flagging a question as a dupe of that, but retracted it soon after). As long as the question is there on main, it can be used as a dupe target. The only way to make it unavailable as a dupe target is either to delete it, or migrate it to meta (which looks like impossible due to its age)" CreationDate="2019-04-13T16:06:30.547" UserId="90391" />
  <row Id="9996" PostId="5317" Score="0" Text="For me it is unclear whether too broad/unclear is more useful than pointing to the &quot;why kali&quot; question. Maybe as an alternative solution the tag could point to it." CreationDate="2019-04-13T17:29:56.947" UserId="138261" />
  <row Id="9997" PostId="5317" Score="0" Text="The tag does point to it, @RuiFRibeiro." CreationDate="2019-04-13T17:56:57.043" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="9998" PostId="5318" Score="2" Text="Is there nothing false in it? Installing a specific driver sounds like an appropriate question to me." CreationDate="2019-04-13T19:55:47.277" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="9999" PostId="5318" Score="2" Text="My thought is to throw the whole excerpt out and replace it with some sort of warning. People who get to the tag already know what it is; we should provide *site-specific guidance*." CreationDate="2019-04-13T20:16:15.453" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10000" PostId="5320" Score="2" Text="The _output_ doesn't have any syntax highlighting? Why would it have? As for the prompt, I tend to trim it down to only show either `$` or `#`, whichever is appropriate (less distractive that way, and just shows that it's something being typed at an interactive shell prompt)." CreationDate="2019-04-13T21:38:09.460" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10001" PostId="5320" Score="1" Text="I guess I meant that the entire block of code doesn't have any syntax highlighting or colorization to distinguish the prompt, command, and output. I've edited my question." CreationDate="2019-04-13T21:54:02.890" UserId="294686" />
  <row Id="10002" PostId="5318" Score="11" Text="By all means improve the tag excerpt, but keep in mind that at least 99% of askers won't see it or have any idea that they should be looking for it. Tag excerpts are pretty discreet." CreationDate="2019-04-13T22:54:44.087" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="10003" PostId="5322" Score="2" Text="So is `\`\`\`lang-sh` different than `\`\`\`sh`?" CreationDate="2019-04-13T23:03:39.070" UserId="294686" />
  <row Id="10004" PostId="5321" Score="13" Text="This seems like an excellent path forward to me." CreationDate="2019-04-13T23:04:29.377" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10005" PostId="5322" Score="6" Text="@wxyz On this specific site for this specific tag, no, but in general, yes. `sh` means to use the syntax coloring that the moderators have declared for the `sh` tag. `lang-sh` means to use the syntax coloring for the `sh` language." CreationDate="2019-04-13T23:08:40.780" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="10006" PostId="5321" Score="0" Text="I suppose doing so would result in the reopening of the closed-from Q's. That'd be OK; they could be manually reviewed if we wanted to.  Leaving them closed as some other default reason would be a broad brush stroke." CreationDate="2019-04-13T23:15:11.897" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10007" PostId="5321" Score="4" Text="There is a qualitative difference with kali... depending on how it's installed!  If you follow the latest greatest version and do an `apt-get upgrade` then your system might break.  And it'll work again tomorrow after another upgrade.  (I have a Kali VM and I've seen that happen).  Kali can be the most unstable of distributions.  I agree that a meta post to point people to might be better, just so we can tell people &quot;Hey, you may not have made the best choice...&quot;" CreationDate="2019-04-14T00:41:38.200" UserId="168757" />
  <row Id="10008" PostId="5319" Score="12" Text="Generally, if people abstained from doing edits that are *just* removing &quot;thanks&quot; and context phrasing (without doing any other improvements), THAT WOULD BE GREAT. I perfectly understand the point of not cluttering questions with useless verbiage, but having someone actively **enforcing** the &quot;no-thanks policy&quot; on sight is incredibly rude -- and **culturally insensitive** to the point of becoming discriminatory." CreationDate="2019-04-14T09:00:15.323" UserDisplayName="user313992" />
  <row Id="10009" PostId="5316" Score="2" Text="@AndrewT. d'oh! You're right. I though that closing meant it wouldn't appear when searched for in the close vote dialog but I was wrong." CreationDate="2019-04-14T11:45:36.523" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10010" PostId="5319" Score="0" Text="can we suggest to lock that kind of question from others editing except OP him/herself then? Personally I didn't know that those questions won't be appear in reopen review queue untill only and only edited by OP!!" CreationDate="2019-04-14T15:07:47.130" UserId="72456" />
  <row Id="10011" PostId="5316" Score="1" Text="Why don't you just add a &quot;Moderator note: Do not close other questions as duplicate of this question because ...&quot; to the question? People would not automatically know that they should not do that except by following a &quot;small&quot; link in the comment, and there are [some](https://stackoverflow.com/a/1732454/) [notes](https://stackoverflow.com/q/48270127/) like that on SO." CreationDate="2019-04-15T06:41:44.020" UserId="296692" />
  <row Id="10012" PostId="5316" Score="0" Text="@user202729 the main problem is that people already know this question, so they will most likely search for it from within the close vote dialog, where notices aren't seen. Also, we only have a limited list of notices we can add and none of them fits here." CreationDate="2019-04-15T08:03:22.963" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10013" PostId="5318" Score="0" Text="I tried years ago to imrpove the tag definition, I tend to think people don't care about definition and won't read it 99% of the time" CreationDate="2019-04-15T09:50:18.050" UserId="53092" />
  <row Id="10014" PostId="5319" Score="5" Text="@αғsнιη locking would go against the collective ownership principles of SE: anyone should be allowed to improve a question. I’m not sure I understand your second sentence, but the point is that the first edit after a closure will push the question on to the re-open queue, regardless of who edited it, but it will only be pushed once." CreationDate="2019-04-15T12:23:23.960" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="10015" PostId="5317" Score="2" Text="I think this is the most important point of dealing with Kali questions. Closing them as dupes of &quot;Why is Kali so Hard&quot; is often incorrect. I had an comment-discussion with a new user yesterday re: installing Scratch2.0 on Kali. I did not mark as dupe, but pointed the user to WIKSH and the Kali doco on &quot;Should I use Kali&quot;. OP agreed with my suggestion that Kali was not the right OS and voluntarily deleted the question. Other times I want to strangle people, &quot;Yo bro, why can't my Kali VM on windows vista use my built-in wifi!? Linux sucks!&quot; The issue requires constant patience and communication" CreationDate="2019-04-15T17:05:47.127" UserId="62481" />
  <row Id="10016" PostId="5318" Score="0" Text="While I agree most new users won't see the Tag excerpt, I think we should update it and make it as relevant and helpful as possible. Then point it out to them if/when they are negative about downvotes and edit requests. Just because one won't read the EULA does not mean they are exempt. Same rule." CreationDate="2019-04-15T17:10:52.750" UserId="62481" />
  <row Id="10017" PostId="5318" Score="0" Text="I agree that any new excerpt should contain a warning about req'd advanced skill-set, with links to [Should I Use Kali?](https://docs.kali.org/introduction/should-i-use-kali-linux) and maybe WIKSH as warnings." CreationDate="2019-04-15T17:12:32.473" UserId="62481" />
  <row Id="10018" PostId="5316" Score="1" Text="While many agree with the advice `The error you are getting is quite clear: you don't have easy_install. But if you don't know how to correct that, I would strongly urge you to use a different operating system.`, it still seems a bit dismissive. It would be better if we could actually suggest a specific operating system. The asker would have gotten the same error message on Ubuntu 18.04, and wouldn't have gotten a pointer to which package to install from cnf, because [easy_install is no longer in any standard 18.04 package](https://askubuntu.com/a/1052682/212231)." CreationDate="2019-04-15T18:11:54.973" UserId="49439" />
  <row Id="10019" PostId="5316" Score="6" Text="@MarkPlotnick the point is that if you don't know enough to understand that the error is the missing program, then you really shouldn't be using Kali. I agree that it is a little condescending, but I can't think of a non condescending way of saying &quot;you don't know enough to be using this&quot;. I'm sure we can do better than my comment, that was just what I managed at the time." CreationDate="2019-04-15T18:18:29.640" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10020" PostId="5319" Score="8" Text="In all honesty, this feels like a flaw in the system. It would make more sense if the question's author had one go at fixing their own question regardless of whether or not someone else &quot;helped&quot; by removing a &quot;hi&quot; or &quot;thanks&quot; from their post, thus wasting the review queue opportunity." CreationDate="2019-04-15T20:50:38.423" UserId="217523" />
  <row Id="10021" PostId="5319" Score="2" Text="@undercat: This sort of thing has been discussed *ad nauseam*, and the short version is that Stack Exchange (the company) doesn't care about human factors issues at all (or at least, not enough to fix or even acknowledge them). As far as they're concerned, there is a Right Way to use their products and anyone who has a problem is doing the Wrong Thing." CreationDate="2019-04-15T21:42:06.343" UserId="91565" />
  <row Id="10023" PostId="5319" Score="7" Text="@mosvy I am confused as to what the consensus is on editing out pleasantries. [This earlier meta](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/q/3018/18887) suggests that any improvement is a good thing. Specifically relating to the &quot;no-thanks&quot; policy, the clearest I could find was the Help Center's comment on [signatures, taglines, and greetings](https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/behavior). Editing out pleasantries seems consistent with this. Do you think that this policy should be altered, as culturally insensitive?" CreationDate="2019-04-16T01:22:10.367" UserId="18887" />
  <row Id="10024" PostId="5323" Score="5" Text="I like that top blurb, it's solid." CreationDate="2019-04-16T14:17:59.503" UserId="62481" />
  <row Id="10025" PostId="5319" Score="12" Text="@Sparhawk I think the consensus is still that pleasantries should be edited out, but I also think that it’s not always appropriate. For new users especially, who are not aware of this aspect of SE, it can come across as very rude — they take the time to write out niceties, to be polite, and sometimes the first reaction they get is someone editing all of that out of their answer. I tend to prune niceties if I’m editing a post for other reasons, and typically only on older posts (where the user is either gone or has had a chance to learn the ropes)." CreationDate="2019-04-16T16:13:13.450" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="10026" PostId="5319" Score="0" Text="s/answer/post/ above ;-)." CreationDate="2019-04-17T13:02:44.560" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="10027" PostId="5325" Score="7" Text="Yes, the pop-up is an excellent idea." CreationDate="2019-04-17T14:20:10.093" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10028" PostId="5319" Score="10" Text="The consensus has always been not to edit them out unless you're already editing the post, and then to take them out along with the other changes. That doesn't solve any of the interpersonal issues, in line with SE's usual practice, it just keeps pointless edits down. For reviewed edits, though, there's no longer a way to reject them appropriately, so it is set up to train people the other way." CreationDate="2019-04-17T23:44:36.803" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="10029" PostId="5324" Score="0" Text="I haven't encountered these before; do they take the place of an existing excerpt?  The link doesn't show one, yet the tag appears to have had one since before the warning arrived. It seems to me that we could have both a good excerpt and a warning. The warning doesn't prevent submission of a question, correct?" CreationDate="2019-04-18T12:15:42.263" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10030" PostId="5324" Score="2" Text="@Jeff no, the warning is separate from the excerpt and wiki. The warning has to be dismissed manually before the question can be posted, but the warning is scripted, so there's a brief window where you can add the tag and immediately post it without the warning has had a chance to show. We can have both a good excerpt and a warning, but a warning has a better chance of being seen." CreationDate="2019-04-18T12:29:43.610" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="10031" PostId="5316" Score="0" Text="@terdon Actually, the close vote dialog does display a preview of the question (at least for the close flag dialog it's the case)." CreationDate="2019-04-18T16:17:49.850" UserId="296692" />
  <row Id="10032" PostId="5316" Score="0" Text="@user202729 yes, it does, but the notice is usually at the bottom where most users won't see it. More importantly, and as I said before, there is no suitable post notice. The UI only gives us 3 options and none of them would be useful here." CreationDate="2019-04-18T16:42:05.797" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10033" PostId="5319" Score="6" Text="Thanks for posting this. Previously, I rejected suggested edits with a custom reason, [e.g.](https://unix.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/276036), *This question has been closed as being unclear. Such posts should only be edited if the edit sufficiently clarifies the question that it be re-opened*. There’s a very short character limit for custom reject messages so it’s great that I can now link to this Meta question to provide more useful information." CreationDate="2019-04-18T17:41:04.577" UserId="22812" />
  <row Id="10034" PostId="5326" Score="1" Text="About the title: most people who are new to the site and asking their first question care primarily about _getting an answer_. That's all they're here for. Considerations like niceness are actually secondary — people think the site is not nice if they don't get an answer, even when people explain in a very friendly way why their question needs to be closed. (It's different when people have become involved on the site as a community, but most Kali questions are from new users.) *(cont.)*" CreationDate="2019-04-18T22:04:35.503" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="10035" PostId="5326" Score="0" Text="I worded the title that way because for many questions, people get neither the answer they're after nor the answer they need. The point of that thread is: you came here to get an answer, but you aren't getting what you came here for, why is that? What can you take away from this? I'm obviously biased, but I think reading the title as a caricature is very far-fetched." CreationDate="2019-04-18T22:06:03.273" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="10036" PostId="5326" Score="0" Text="Stand alone it's fine. I'll stress it really is very good content. It's the combination of a comment  &quot;you're too incompetent to use Kali... See here&quot; that leads to the misread of the title. It's not just being &quot;nice&quot; it's about structuring a response to the OP that lets them know they are receiving help and advice and not abuse.  Very similar topic to XY problem discussion." CreationDate="2019-04-19T06:11:49.860" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="10038" PostId="5326" Score="0" Text="I don't think reading the title as a caricature is remotely far-fetched. I do think perception of the title will be coloured by the *body* for those who've read it already, but &quot;Why won't people help me?&quot; is clearly plaintive in exactly the way Philip suggests and not really defensible, all the same." CreationDate="2019-04-19T07:02:04.040" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="10039" PostId="5326" Score="0" Text="But, I can also see how someone who *doesn't* read it that way would have a drastically different impression of the question, one more driven by the *answers*, which mostly give good advice." CreationDate="2019-04-19T07:14:13.463" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="10040" PostId="5326" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHomer You seem to be reading the title from the perspective of someone who is familiar with the topic. That's not its intended audience. The intended audience is people who have just asked a question, aren't getting the answer they're looking for, and aren't happy about that. “Why won't people help me” _is_ what's going through their mind. That's why I used this title, and not something like “why shouldn't I use Kali Linux” which is not at all what the target audience is concerned about." CreationDate="2019-04-19T10:58:14.897" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="10041" PostId="5301" Score="3" Text="I've created the two new tags; please tackle the re-tagging at your convenience. Once [tag:anaconda] is empty, it should get removed automatically." CreationDate="2019-04-19T20:14:32.167" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10042" PostId="5166" Score="0" Text="I've created the two new tags as per the answer below." CreationDate="2019-04-19T20:15:00.677" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10043" PostId="5166" Score="0" Text="(Improvements to either excerpt or wiki are welcome; I simply got them started with *something*)" CreationDate="2019-04-19T20:42:56.577" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10044" PostId="5326" Score="1" Text="The people who have just asked a question have, several distinct times now, reported exactly the feeling from it that Philip describes, and I'm not willing to invalidate their experience. Of course, that has been made worse by generally having been told that what they asked is the same as that, which was indisputably an act of bullying, but it's a pretty defensible reading of the title and of &quot;Help! Why won't people help me? Why is Linux so hard?&quot; as well. It may not have been what you meant but, well, death of the author and all that." CreationDate="2019-04-19T21:09:40.173" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="10045" PostId="5329" Score="3" Text="I guess it's the same as asking [blenders](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blender) on [Blender.se] or [bricks](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brick) on [bricks.se]..." CreationDate="2019-04-22T07:23:15.027" UserId="90391" />
  <row Id="10046" PostId="5319" Score="7" Text="Yes, an edit that just removes &quot;thanks&quot; and doesn't do anything else useful is a waste of everyone's time. It doesn't improve the post, it runs the risk of alienating the OP, especially if done without an explanation, and it just isn't worth the effort. If all you are editing is things like &quot;thanks&quot; or &quot;hello&quot;, don't edit!" CreationDate="2019-04-22T09:03:15.123" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10047" PostId="5329" Score="6" Text="First you need to know, whether they use their hair dryer inside a container. In that case you should furthermore ask whether that container is located on a ship being half of steel and half of a smiling whale." CreationDate="2019-04-22T10:14:29.300" UserId="285523" />
  <row Id="10048" PostId="5316" Score="0" Text="Kali just needs its own SE site probably, since it seems there's specifics that make it stand out from other distros. Agree with this post, btw" CreationDate="2019-04-23T04:31:12.457" UserId="85039" />
  <row Id="10049" PostId="5319" Score="1" Text="In my opinion an edit on questions **not recently** put on hold and bumping it to the homepage without &quot;improving the state of the question in such a way that it would be worth reopening&quot; should also be frowned upon." CreationDate="2019-04-23T20:05:34.647" UserId="259023" />
  <row Id="10050" PostId="5319" Score="0" Text="@WeijunZhou you are preaching the choir." CreationDate="2019-04-24T11:22:20.500" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="10051" PostId="5319" Score="0" Text="Glad to know it then (although not everyone is following this practice, and I suppose it should at least be mentioned or linked in this question). Also learnt a new phrase in English." CreationDate="2019-04-24T12:48:39.120" UserId="259023" />
  <row Id="10052" PostId="5331" Score="5" Text="Nobody is discouraging edits. We're discouraging only edits that do nothing useful and simply remove &quot;thanks&quot;. That's a pointless edit and often alienates the OP. If the post is fine apart from the &quot;thanks&quot;, just let it be. If there are other things to improve, then sure, get rid of the noise (&quot;thanks&quot;) as well, just don't edit _only_ to remove those thanks. And could you explain why you say that having &quot;thanks&quot; in a post makes it harder to find?" CreationDate="2019-04-24T13:15:58.340" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10053" PostId="5331" Score="2" Text="@terdon that's discouraging edits. Shog specifically told anyone that reviewers should approve [*any* edit that improves](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/149722/approve-as-too-minor/238039#comment784096_238039) the post. **ANY**. Removing thanks improves the post and should therefore be encouraged." CreationDate="2019-04-24T13:47:41.280" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="10054" PostId="5331" Score="6" Text="The question is whether removing &quot;thanks&quot; improves the post. And, in my opinion, it doesn't. So it's a useless edit. I say again: if all your edit does is remove thanks, then it isn't worth it. It isn't an improvement. We have a culture on SE of doing such edits and I think that's very wrong. It's just a pointless jab at the OP (it isn't meant that way, of course, but it can come across like that). So if you don't have anything else to improve, don't edit just to remove thanks." CreationDate="2019-04-24T13:59:09.883" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10055" PostId="5319" Score="0" Text="@G-man I rolled back over you addendum, it was too big a change to the text. It would possibly have served as a discussion-point answer." CreationDate="2019-04-24T14:25:26.530" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10057" PostId="5331" Score="8" Text="A post is never &quot;improved&quot; by removing thanks. A post is improved by making it _clearer_, possibly by _incorporating clarifications from comments_. Especially with regards to questions that have been put on hold, such posts are only improved by editing that will make them worth reopening. I _would_ discourage editing that pushes a post to the reopen queue when the post is clearly not going to make it through that queue, for the reasons outlined above." CreationDate="2019-04-24T19:10:27.917" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10058" PostId="5326" Score="0" Text="It is beyond me why non-SE employees still indulge in the fantasy all/most of the low rep users are new users." CreationDate="2019-04-24T19:52:19.150" UserId="138261" />
  <row Id="10060" PostId="5319" Score="3" Text="If you have constructive views and opinions, do expand upon them in proper answers rather than resorting to bickering in the comment section." CreationDate="2019-04-24T21:53:18.320" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10061" PostId="5332" Score="2" Text="Just to note that the emphasis of this post is on editing these things _at all_, whereas [my earlier post](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5319/editing-questions-recently-put-on-hold-dont-do-trivial-edits) was specifically about editing questions recently put &quot;on hold&quot;." CreationDate="2019-04-25T15:46:14.123" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10063" PostId="5332" Score="0" Text="These two positions aren't necessarily inconsistent: one says don't make the edit, the other says that *once the edit has been made* it should be approved in review. I think there's a stronger version of #2 with adherents." CreationDate="2019-04-25T20:18:01.480" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="10064" PostId="5332" Score="1" Text="@MichaelHomer Given the emphasis, I interpret &quot;Removing thanks improves the post, and should be encouraged&quot; as promoting making these edits.  Absolutely there are a range of possible positions.  I confess I've basically given up trying to learn the review system for now, so I'm not very familiar with edit review.  My reaction to this discussion is we have at least one regular user who frequently performs these edits (i.e. who is above the review threshold), so I think we don't have a real consensus." CreationDate="2019-04-25T20:45:17.217" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="10065" PostId="5334" Score="8" Text="I agree with everything you say, except your choice of example for a minor error. Maybe it's because I'm a pedant and a language geek, but _i_ instead of _I_ is really, really jarring for me. It is distracting and makes the post harder to read. I don't think that fixing such glaring spelling errors is on the same level as removing thanks. At least, one is an actual error (_i_ for _I_) while the other is simply unnecessary politeness." CreationDate="2019-04-25T20:53:21.567" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10066" PostId="5334" Score="4" Text="@terdon Well, for me, it's the opposite. Lowercase “I” is an unimportant spelling error. An extra paragraph for “thanks”, even if it's a short one, makes it less likely that I'll decide to read the question." CreationDate="2019-04-25T20:56:37.640" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="10068" PostId="5334" Score="2" Text="@Gilles: What is minor for you will be jarring for others, and *may* reduce their likelihood of giving answers. Isn't that the whole point?" CreationDate="2019-04-26T07:32:46.297" UserId="91565" />
  <row Id="10069" PostId="5334" Score="8" Text="There’s one nice way to deal with all this, which is to edit a question only after answering it ;-)." CreationDate="2019-04-26T09:27:58.373" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="10071" PostId="5335" Score="2" Text="Without judgement on the idea itself, I think this Question is the wrong place to place it. Voting here won't have any influence on whether a new site is created or not. I believe the right place for that is Area 51. This sentiment *is* in the direction that I'd like to go with this Question, which is: within the Stack Exchange system, what can we do to better guide Kali questions?" CreationDate="2019-04-26T14:32:50.973" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10072" PostId="5335" Score="0" Text="I had to go look; it was 3+ years ago that we agreed to accept Kali questions. https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/q/3602/117549" CreationDate="2019-04-26T15:08:40.140" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10073" PostId="5334" Score="2" Text="@Gilles - I agree w/ Terdon as well, the example you cite w/ the i -&gt; I is super annoying to me as well as a native English speaker and so would encourage this type of edit." CreationDate="2019-04-28T13:02:16.163" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="10074" PostId="5336" Score="2" Text="To give a very rough order of magnitude regarding &quot;from time to time&quot;, I found two examples of removing &quot;Thanks&quot; and 1) leaving an obvious format error, 2) leaving a spelling error in the title of a short question (though this one would be easier to overlook, if the editor has less of a keen eye for English), marked &quot;yesterday&quot; and &quot;2 days ago&quot; respectively.  Or if you meant that's fine, but a given user should put their changes in a single edit, not do a reflex &quot;no thanks&quot; edit and then do other edits as well, I saw examples of that too." CreationDate="2019-04-28T14:24:47.200" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="10075" PostId="5336" Score="1" Text="I'm sure there are good intentions, but I don't notice that any of the various suggested standards have been upheld.  Apart from the maximalist &quot;position 2&quot;." CreationDate="2019-04-28T14:26:41.627" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="10076" PostId="5336" Score="0" Text="@sourcejedi - reflexive editing is fine IMO. I do that too where you miss a typo and go and fix it immediately after making other edits. Try to do them in a few as possible but editing can be somewhat of a iterative process. WRT the &quot;time to time&quot; It's difficult to scope who does and does not know English well enough to edit, that's part of why I think ppl editing what they can isn't the worst thing in the world. If a person is not growing as an editor and merely removing &quot;Thanks&quot; when there's other things like i -&gt; I I'd like to see these editors elevate their editing game over time but..." CreationDate="2019-04-28T14:31:36.677" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="10078" PostId="5336" Score="2" Text="Sorry, I am being a bit too cryptic. These were both by a well-known editor. Maybe there are several active editors who like to remove thanks, however I've only noticed one." CreationDate="2019-04-28T14:40:39.973" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="10079" PostId="5336" Score="1" Text="@sourcejedi am familiar w/ whom and it's been raised before and brought up to them." CreationDate="2019-04-28T14:41:47.357" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="10080" PostId="3120" Score="0" Text="I discovered this post while educating myself on the issue. The [help center](https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/serial-voting-reversed) specifically directs end users: &quot;If, after 24 hours, you do not see any fix to your reputation, please contact the team using the &quot;contact us&quot; form located at the bottom of any page.&quot; I wonder if that page needs updating?" CreationDate="2019-04-29T16:32:38.340" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10081" PostId="3998" Score="0" Text="&quot;Every keyboard I've had in the last 15 years has developed problems [...]&quot; — Might I suggest investing in a nice Mechanical Keyboard? The [r/MK wiki](https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/wiki/index) is a great resource on them." CreationDate="2019-04-30T08:34:12.180" UserId="94176" />
  <row Id="10082" PostId="5334" Score="5" Text="My very first posting to the Linux forum turned out to be very long (I think necessarily so). It was immediately edited to remove the &quot;Thanks&quot; and my name at the bottom, probably less than 1% of the size. Been around enough to search to not react there, found this thread.  Frankly my first wonder if it was edited by a bot, but apparently was done by someone with nothing more to contribute to my discourse than that -- do they get an award for how many &quot;Thanks&quot; they can remove or something?  It's not so much offensive as just baffling why one would bother?" CreationDate="2019-05-02T19:34:59.373" UserId="199098" />
  <row Id="10083" PostId="5334" Score="3" Text="@Linwood People who edit posts generally do it [just to make the site better](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altruism)." CreationDate="2019-05-02T20:27:26.163" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="10084" PostId="5334" Score="3" Text="@Linwood &quot;a stitch in time saves nine&quot; etc. Every question sets an example for the next person who wants to ask a question. That's why one would bother." CreationDate="2019-05-03T13:33:37.357" UserId="145426" />
  <row Id="10085" PostId="5316" Score="0" Text="@terdon thank you for doing this" CreationDate="2019-05-04T19:26:47.077" UserId="330104" />
  <row Id="10086" PostId="5333" Score="8" Text="There is a sliding scale between excessive verboseness, conciseness and terseness, and Stack Exchange sites overall can perhaps tend a little too much towards the last, which comes across as cliquey and off-putting to newcomers. It is generally considered polite in human society to offer thanks-in-advance when requesting help, and it's only a few words at most at the very end of a question. Can those who get too upset by that basic politeness not just parse it as an &quot;End of Message&quot; marker? No harm in editing out if making other constructive edits, but rather unnecessary otherwise." CreationDate="2019-05-06T15:00:58.623" UserId="216430" />
  <row Id="10087" PostId="5334" Score="0" Text="I agree that &quot;The most important thing for a new user asking a question is to get answers.&quot;  However, that seems (to me) to be in contradiction to 'the most important thing for the site is to have good questions with good answers'." CreationDate="2019-05-07T14:57:10.520" UserId="151566" />
  <row Id="10089" PostId="5337" Score="1" Text="Ah, good point. And I suppose it means the site cannot really teach this topic through edit reviews. So it seems useful to discuss this topic, in Meta questions or elsewhere." CreationDate="2019-05-07T20:17:18.007" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="10090" PostId="5334" Score="0" Text="@JohnHascall What's most important to one user at one point in time is not always the best thing for the site overall (however you choose to define this)." CreationDate="2019-05-07T23:09:03.237" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="10092" PostId="5336" Score="0" Text="Maybe make the edit comment something...flattering so people don't feel as taken aback..." CreationDate="2019-05-09T16:03:10.450" UserId="8337" />
  <row Id="10093" PostId="5340" Score="0" Text="Or, maybe I'm just too pedantic today? ;)" CreationDate="2019-05-09T18:26:40.910" UserId="62481" />
  <row Id="10094" PostId="5338" Score="1" Text="Original post is deleted now, I think. &quot;Page not found&quot;. :(" CreationDate="2019-05-09T18:28:42.967" UserId="62481" />
  <row Id="10095" PostId="5340" Score="1" Text="I'm failing to find the previous discussion I'm thinking of,  it my opinion at this point is to consider whether we'd have a set of history-expansion experts that are distinct from $SHELL experts who would follow the tag. I'm not sure it's worthwhile. I would recommend $SHELL + command-history." CreationDate="2019-05-09T20:36:49.943" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10096" PostId="5340" Score="2" Text="Of *course* I find it after commenting: https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/a/1234/117549" CreationDate="2019-05-09T20:38:08.563" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10097" PostId="5340" Score="3" Text="I think it's a bit pedantic, yes. We also have [tag:brace-expansion] (brace-expansion works differently in different shells), and [tag:variable-substitution] (again, different in different shells).  On the other hand, we have the _very specific_ [tag:bash-expansion] for whatever reason.  Command history is something (relatively) completely different. Command history questions generally deals with the history as a whole, e.g. saving it, viewing it etc., while history expansion are more about how to interactively work with shortcuts for recalling specific commands." CreationDate="2019-05-09T21:00:39.670" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10098" PostId="5340" Score="2" Text="@Kusalananda that is what meta is for I suppose. :)" CreationDate="2019-05-09T22:32:38.517" UserId="62481" />
  <row Id="10099" PostId="5340" Score="0" Text="I like the existence of this tag. I suspect this tag could be applied to many more questions, currently there's only 37. I would create a explanation stating that the use of this tag is for question that cover the expansion of history commands that is a feature provided by many shells." CreationDate="2019-05-10T01:45:05.010" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="10100" PostId="5339" Score="0" Text="Downvoting hurts!  Especially at that level of rep.  *But I'll bow to the wisdom of my betters!*  **;-)**" CreationDate="2019-05-10T06:19:18.397" UserId="90054" />
  <row Id="10101" PostId="5340" Score="0" Text="@Kusalananda No, &quot;history expansion/substitution&quot; is not about &quot;shortcuts for recalling specific commands&quot;. As explained in the `bash`, `zsh` and `csh` manpages, it specifically refers to a specific shell syntax where  `!` (which could be changed to another character in `bash` or `zsh`) is interpreted in a special way (being replaced with whole or parts of previous commands). It's not about interactive shortcuts like Ctrl-P, Ctrl-N Ctrl-R in bash (when in emacs editing mode)." CreationDate="2019-05-10T06:39:29.987" UserDisplayName="user313992" />
  <row Id="10102" PostId="5340" Score="0" Text="+ a form of command expansion also starts by `^`, and both `!` and `^` are also configurable in `csh`. sorry." CreationDate="2019-05-10T06:55:01.797" UserDisplayName="user313992" />
  <row Id="10103" PostId="5340" Score="4" Text="This seems to be one of those tags which only make sense if you already know the answer (as in, if the question author knows it’s called “history expansion”, they’d probably be able to answer their question; and by extension, editors shouldn’t add that tag to the question), or for questions about esoteric aspects of history expansion..." CreationDate="2019-05-10T07:58:02.800" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="10104" PostId="5340" Score="0" Text="@StephenKitt I suggest that the tag name should be changed to `modifier-failed` in order to be sure that nobody is using it by mistake ;-)" CreationDate="2019-05-10T08:21:28.213" UserDisplayName="user313992" />
  <row Id="10105" PostId="5340" Score="0" Text="@mosvy Well, I would call event designators &quot;shortcuts&quot; as they are used to avoid typing a full command (or part of a longer command)." CreationDate="2019-05-10T08:58:06.073" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10106" PostId="5342" Score="1" Text="I think if you're asking for the website to have a new feature, the right place would be Meta.stackexchange.com; I doubt, with the recent design changes, they'd want to reintroduce differences between the SE sites, so IMHO it would be a global design feature. Be sure to check out any previous, similar questions there." CreationDate="2019-05-10T22:28:11.967" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10107" PostId="4821" Score="0" Text="uh, i think there's an argument for this *if* there is someone who will provide answers here, but I don't buy &quot;integration&quot;.  this is damage limitation.  it's about the fact that MS seems to be a pig, and seemingly (surely not in all cases, because otherwise this would be much more well documented in the Linux community??) requires [terminal commands](https://superuser.com/questions/1298510/how-can-i-prevent-windows-8-1-overwriting-my-bootloader) in order to not make a complete mockery of the UEFI boot standard." CreationDate="2019-05-11T01:40:21.450" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="10108" PostId="4821" Score="1" Text="@sourcejedi Well, I think the place of a Windows is in a VM where it can't cause any trouble and can be restored to a snapshot if it craps. Best would be if it had not ever existed. But the world is not ideal, and we have to fight it. Not ignoring it, fight it." CreationDate="2019-05-11T08:53:27.927" UserId="52236" />
  <row Id="10110" PostId="5342" Score="2" Text="I would be interested to know what would be the interest in that for a regular SE user." CreationDate="2019-05-11T21:51:11.033" UserId="159254" />
  <row Id="10111" PostId="5334" Score="1" Text="@Linwood Yes, doing a lot of edits increase their moderator score and give them badges. Make no mistake, they're not doing because of some internal tweaking compulsion. Look at this [edit](https://unix.stackexchange.com/posts/518533/revisions) -- that guy didn't bother to fix the typo in the title, didn't bother to fix the code formatting, but he did bother to remove an entire paragraph + thanks, without engaging the OP in any way." CreationDate="2019-05-12T11:38:19.987" UserDisplayName="user313992" />
  <row Id="10112" PostId="5343" Score="0" Text="that is exactly what I am looking for" CreationDate="2019-05-13T11:47:52.083" UserId="170792" />
  <row Id="10113" PostId="5340" Score="0" Text="I agree with @StephenKitt: Typically, `bash` users get strange error messages due to the [broken implementation](https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/390931/bash-history-expansion-inside-single-quotes-after-a-double-quote-inside-the-sam) and will never guess that history expansion is the reason" CreationDate="2019-05-14T15:03:38.920" UserId="216004" />
  <row Id="10114" PostId="5336" Score="3" Text="I'm noticing that in the [&quot;don't ask&quot; Help page](https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/dont-ask), one of the reasons for not asking useless questions is that _they push other questions off the front page_. This is also what useless edits to questions do, especially when done in bulk." CreationDate="2019-05-19T08:40:52.850" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10115" PostId="5344" Score="1" Text="Hint for future posts: multiple begging words do not improve posts, and might attract downvoting. (the downvote is not mine)" CreationDate="2019-05-24T10:37:46.820" UserId="138261" />
  <row Id="10116" PostId="5344" Score="0" Text="@RuiFRibeiro Desperation escaping through the fingers there ;-) Thank you for the edit! Whoever thinks it's a question worthy of a down-vote obviously does not know that I have sifted through countless questions already trying to figure it out... Alas!" CreationDate="2019-05-24T10:40:38.800" UserId="279203" />
  <row Id="10117" PostId="5344" Score="0" Text="@UlrichSchwarz Crazy! I've been to so many of the StackExchange pages, I actually just joined the &quot;meta&quot; community and thought I was in &quot;meta&quot; when I posted my question." CreationDate="2019-05-24T10:43:22.800" UserId="279203" />
  <row Id="10118" PostId="5344" Score="9" Text="@RuiFRibeiro 'begging'? Being polite and saying 'please' is not 'begging'!" CreationDate="2019-05-24T12:15:37.690" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10119" PostId="5344" Score="2" Text="I'll also bring in an image that may help distinguish &quot;Answers&quot; from &quot;Not an Answer&quot; -- just in case it helps: https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/225370/307535" CreationDate="2019-05-24T19:13:11.320" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10120" PostId="5344" Score="0" Text="I comment when I'm not an expert. Imho, answers should only be given by people that have a large amount of experience in the field and can be considered authoritative. If that withholds me from answering a question, but I think I can still be helpful, perhaps - I add a comment instead - which has more the status of an opinion." CreationDate="2019-05-24T22:17:39.953" UserId="163895" />
  <row Id="10121" PostId="4629" Score="0" Text="I think I only did this once, but I'm sure I'd do it again: I once asked a question that was furiously downvoted and only got bad comments - I just didn't want that as part of my history, so I deleted it. I don't think that deleting questions that are downvoted several times is a bad thing; it kinda cleans up the site :p. It should not be punished." CreationDate="2019-05-24T22:27:40.617" UserId="163895" />
  <row Id="10122" PostId="4630" Score="0" Text="I always read all comments of a question that I'm interested in, also all comments of answers that seem valuable." CreationDate="2019-05-24T22:30:21.013" UserId="163895" />
  <row Id="10123" PostId="5347" Score="3" Text="The motivating answer from the Twitter post has been (wrongly) deleted so it's 10k-only, but for everyone else the text was: *Unfortunately, there is currently not a way to do this. But perhaps in the future I may add it, if I can figure out a sane interface and implementation to do such a thing. Maybe I will add a trigger that will make the output show differently.* and post-deletion edit *Although I may be new to StackExchange, I am the author of ftrace (real name Steven Rostedt - look up the git history). The &quot;real answer&quot; will happen when I write the code!*" CreationDate="2019-05-25T08:43:32.287" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="10124" PostId="3137" Score="0" Text="@l0b0 I guess you mean, so long as you have Favourites sorted by &quot;Activity&quot;. That's an interesting idea, I never thought of using that." CreationDate="2019-05-25T09:59:26.273" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="10126" PostId="5347" Score="2" Text="Please note that the answer wasn't simply deleted. It was converted to [a comment](https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/512503/change-format-of-syscall-event-trace-output-to-ftrace/520693#comment962249_512503)." CreationDate="2019-05-25T11:08:54.073" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10129" PostId="5349" Score="0" Text="Thanks. It is not a single user removal. It is a large number of user removals (maybe nearly 100 users' removals around 2:30am today). They are shown in the link I gave , but I don't know why the link I gave suddently changed to show just one user removal" CreationDate="2019-05-25T11:28:52.567" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="10130" PostId="5347" Score="1" Text="@terdon That should be simply undeleted. And not just because it's the author -- if you know better than a random poster who says that it's not possible, then add your answer where you explain how to actually do it." CreationDate="2019-05-25T13:51:51.853" UserDisplayName="user313992" />
  <row Id="10131" PostId="5347" Score="0" Text="@mosvy I had nothing to do with this, so let's wait for the person who took action to explain their rationale." CreationDate="2019-05-25T13:54:54.440" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10132" PostId="5347" Score="1" Text="No need to explain anything -- mistakes happen. Other moderators can undelete answers too, right?" CreationDate="2019-05-25T13:58:01.067" UserDisplayName="user313992" />
  <row Id="10133" PostId="5350" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the undelete. That seemed the clear way forward :-). The second “agree” does not follow. In my question I tried to not assert whether or not evidence was required in such answers. The question could be more clear, but at least the quickest clarification would be to remove the second “agree” here :-). I used the word &quot;useful&quot; mostly to refer to answer upvotes or downvotes.  Distinct from “valid” v.s. “not an answer”, which would be eligible for flagging." CreationDate="2019-05-25T17:20:26.463" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="10134" PostId="5350" Score="0" Text="Reading this, I can't tell whether nevets will see it. I think &quot;I'd like to apologize&quot; is awkward phrasing in that context. I'm not sure I would use the word if you can't say you have offered (or given) it? - that would be more clear. The phrase used seems more appropriate in a context where it is unambiguous that they would see it. (Or in public statements that address a large group of people)." CreationDate="2019-05-25T17:34:47.713" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="10135" PostId="5350" Score="0" Text="I’d like to think about this more later - I have other stuff to do at the moment.  It’s a good intention to want to apologize, but if it’s qualified by “given what we've now learned”, it’s not clear to me what you think needs to be apologized for." CreationDate="2019-05-25T17:35:04.877" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="10136" PostId="5350" Score="0" Text="The question I have in mind is, if someone who works with the notoriously cut and thrust Linux mailing lists is taken aback by our response (and is not able to find any way to contest the response with additional information), is there anything we can learn from it?" CreationDate="2019-05-25T17:41:35.380" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="10137" PostId="5350" Score="1" Text="The context about the Late Answer review queue is helpful." CreationDate="2019-05-25T17:53:43.687" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="10138" PostId="5350" Score="4" Text="@sourcejedi I think the mechanics of SE are sufficiently different to LKML and such to be surprising in any case; on LKML at least, messages aren’t deleted (or “downgraded”), nor are they edited... This doesn’t undermine your question though, which is certainly worth thinking about. As for the main question, I find “that is not possible” answers particularly difficult to write, because I always wonder if it’s that I don’t know something rather than that it isn’t possible." CreationDate="2019-05-25T20:13:09.963" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="10139" PostId="5349" Score="0" Text="@Tim that link would always have shown one, and I now know it was indeed one user. It's just that the user was active on many sites, and so are you, so your &quot;Achievements&quot; drop-down menu showed multiple &quot;user was removed&quot; messages. But I believe that was the same user on multiple sites." CreationDate="2019-05-25T20:54:37.257" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10141" PostId="5349" Score="0" Text="Not really, I just found that the link I gave shows many users' removals on the mobile site, but just one user's removal on the desktop site." CreationDate="2019-05-25T21:02:55.853" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="10142" PostId="5349" Score="3" Text="@Tim ah, yes, you're quite right. That seems to show one &quot;user removed&quot; for each post of yours that was affected. It's still most likely just one user though." CreationDate="2019-05-25T21:05:52.510" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10143" PostId="4567" Score="0" Text="For reference, Tim has posted a similar complaint [to Stack Overflow Meta](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/385434/being-bullied-by-some-users-and-moderators) (currently deleted, 10K users only)." CreationDate="2019-05-27T10:17:18.597" UserId="65117" />
  <row Id="10145" PostId="5344" Score="3" Text="@Carlo unfortunately that doesn’t work too well because comments can’t be downvoted. If you post what you think is the answer as a comment, people who know better can’t downvote it if it’s wrong (and flagging to delete because it’s wrong isn’t really appropriate either). I’ve seen many comments which seem correct at first glance, and thus get drive-by upvotes, but are wrong. If you post it as an answer, it can be upvoted and downvoted as appropriate, and you can edit it as you find out more." CreationDate="2019-05-27T12:37:24.080" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="10146" PostId="5344" Score="0" Text="@StephenKitt One has to see comments are worse (less reliable) than the worst answer therefore. One can &quot;take note&quot; of it, but should be cautious to rely on it too much, after all, it is just the opinion of one person. When I do not feel authoritative on a subject I don't want to write an &quot;Answer&quot;, but not adding my 2 cents because they can't be downvoted  isn't the solution either; obviously I still think my &quot;answer&quot; comment is still valuable or I wouldn't add it :p." CreationDate="2019-05-27T18:02:23.767" UserId="163895" />
  <row Id="10147" PostId="5344" Score="3" Text="@Carlo many readers don’t make that distinction between comments and answers. Please write answers, even if you’re not sure, instead of writing comments. I’ll be blunt: if you’re not requesting clarification, and you don’t want to write an answer, IMO the correct approach is to not write anything." CreationDate="2019-05-27T18:28:20.493" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="10148" PostId="5351" Score="1" Text="+1. Regarding the last case - I agree you should only say &quot;impossible&quot; when that is what you really think.  But I might hesitate to offer what you suggest as an *answer*.  I think it can work as a *comment* (using a link to a resource about the more common approach). The implied edit to improve the question is: &quot;I think it would be easier if I could do [this] instead. However that is ruled out by [this unusual reason]  /  I do not have the power to change it  /  I am interested if anyone is willing to demonstrate specifically what level of effort this would require&quot;." CreationDate="2019-05-28T19:02:19.920" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="10149" PostId="5350" Score="0" Text="I agree with the spirit of the answer. This post was caught by a type of moderation that, on balance, probably helps maintain the distinct value of StackExchange. Thank you for your service :-). I just wouldn't point to this answer without being slightly more explicit about what we're balancing against. Also, while it would be great if all moderation was accompanied by a clear objective explanation, I do not believe that is a realistic demand. To the extent that it *was* explained in this case, it appears to have helped move towards a resolution." CreationDate="2019-05-29T11:25:03.157" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="10150" PostId="5344" Score="2" Text="Carlo, keep in mind that comments are intended to be temporary. Answers should be, at a minimum, an attempt to answer the question. Ideally you'd have some sort of documentation or testing to back up your claim that your answer solves the problem. You do not need to have a large amount of experience to answer! Because of the collaborative nature of Stack Exchange, any small adjustments to your answer can be added in by others. I've learned new things (and *unlearned* bad habits) in my time writing answers here." CreationDate="2019-05-30T01:52:23.493" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10156" PostId="5350" Score="3" Text="To be fair, Jeff's action was perfectly valid, considering that the answer originally had no mention that the poster is the author of `ftrace` in question. They've not stated that anywhere in their profile either. From what I've learned over the past 5 or so years of being here and on AskUbuntu, one has to add a small statement saying &quot;Full disclosure: I am the author of the software xyz&quot;. I know - that's not gonna be a popular opinion.  The author didn't do that, which to me looks like not following SE rules. And fairly enough, it does read as a comment." CreationDate="2019-05-31T08:05:13.357" UserId="85039" />
  <row Id="10157" PostId="5356" Score="0" Text="Okay, yes, my problem is perfectly solved by an answer given to my question, but not by the answers given in the duplicates.&#xA;So I added &quot;Additional Information&quot; to my question und added a comment to the right answer where i pointed out, which part solved my problem.&#xA;Is that approach acceptable?" CreationDate="2019-05-31T16:57:24.003" UserId="354864" />
  <row Id="10158" PostId="5356" Score="0" Text="I think that's a reasonable solution, yes. If you had NOT gotten an acceptable answer, and then your question was closed against incorrect duplicates, the right thing would be to edit your question and get it reopened. Of course, even better than that is to do your best to write up a question that includes anything that you think might be important to your situation. It's easier said than done :)" CreationDate="2019-05-31T17:34:01.187" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10159" PostId="5350" Score="5" Text="@SergiyKolodyazhnyy sorry for [repeating myself](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5347/that-is-not-possible-is-a-valid-answer?cb=1#comment10130_5347), it does not matter: If some random user says that something's not possible, then go on and explain how it's possible. Do no &quot;moderate&quot; him or her, *especially* when you're not familiar with the subject. And do not invent rules or interpret the (non-binding!) guidelines overly broadly: the &quot;full-disclosure rule&quot; should only be wielded against obnoxious shills and snake-oil sellers, anything else is simply abuse." CreationDate="2019-06-01T19:08:48.347" UserDisplayName="user313992" />
  <row Id="10160" PostId="5350" Score="0" Text="@SergiyKolodyazhnyy As to your opinion being unpopular, I'm aftraid it's just the contrary: that combo of appeal-to-authoritiy accepted as a valid argument and deference to mean rules is WAY too popular, more than it should be for people pretending to live in a free society." CreationDate="2019-06-01T19:13:49.420" UserDisplayName="user313992" />
  <row Id="10161" PostId="5350" Score="4" Text="@mosvy I have no problem with possible/impossible types of answers so long as everything is backed up bu evidence. What I have problem with is that the user did not follow the proper process set up on Stackexchange, did not go on meta but rather to twitter. Sourcejedi did the right thing, the user - did not. This of course stems from no one reading the help center when they sign up or reach out to peers to clarify." CreationDate="2019-06-01T20:14:11.957" UserId="85039" />
  <row Id="10162" PostId="5354" Score="0" Text="+1 I haven't thought of the first suggestion; I will probably create the self-answer post and link back under this meta answer when I did." CreationDate="2019-06-05T01:42:03.490" UserDisplayName="user125388" />
  <row Id="10163" PostId="5354" Score="2" Text="Clarification: The quoted existing answer is not just &quot;didn't work for [my] situation&quot;, but essentially will not work for *anyone*, as per the manpages and the wiki. I will just ignore the misleading answer, as to not escalate this matter." CreationDate="2019-06-05T01:49:53.000" UserDisplayName="user125388" />
  <row Id="10164" PostId="5354" Score="0" Text="Link here if you like, but self-answered questions are not that unusual. Just be sure to write the question up as normal, as if anyone else could answer it -- someone else might!" CreationDate="2019-06-05T01:51:09.273" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10165" PostId="5354" Score="0" Text="I have created [the self-answer post](https://unix.stackexchange.com/q/522958/125388) as suggested and the meta question is now solved. This meta answer will be accepted." CreationDate="2019-06-05T03:14:03.893" UserDisplayName="user125388" />
  <row Id="10166" PostId="5357" Score="2" Text="I like the gratuitous use of the standard editor – a utility I've started to use more often (for its suitability for scripting)." CreationDate="2019-06-06T12:01:05.763" UserId="22812" />
  <row Id="10171" PostId="5347" Score="1" Text="+10000. Nothing drives me more than people trying to dance around your question without answering it. It's frustrating you can't tell if it's because they don't know the answer or if they know the answer is no. People seriously need to learn that This Is Not Possible is a perfectly good answer." CreationDate="2019-06-07T04:19:39.803" UserId="6252" />
  <row Id="10172" PostId="5360" Score="81" Text="@Gilles Everyone talks about Kali Linux as if it is some kind of secret experts club, but it really is not. *Nobody* uses it for everyday things, not even security experts. It is an extremely stripped down version of Debian with a few security packages pre-installed. The package manager apt is _not supposed to work_. Unnecessary services are _removed_. This is a distribution for computer labs, virtual machines, and self contained boot cds/usbs. Start using Ubuntu or something where things are designed to work." CreationDate="2017-10-22T21:28:45.943" UserDisplayName="user146970" />
  <row Id="10173" PostId="5360" Score="58" Text="@TimothyPulliam Neither. (This question summarizes the essence of many questions we get on this site: people who are trying to use Kali for something that it was absolutely not designed for, fail, and blame their failure on Linux being hard and Linux experts being unhelpful instead of their bad choice of tool for the job.)" CreationDate="2017-10-22T22:47:36.493" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="10174" PostId="5360" Score="2" Text="@Gilles But it does sound like a whine. It would be better if you changed the title to &quot;(...) How do I get help?&quot; or something. Even &quot;(...) Why ___can't___ people help&quot; would be better." CreationDate="2017-10-23T07:20:53.717" UserId="18479" />
  <row Id="10175" PostId="5360" Score="52" Text="@MrLister It's supposed to sound like a whine. It's a fabricated question other equally whiny/naive questions can be closed to; its purpose is to contain the reference answer below." CreationDate="2017-10-23T11:55:37.353" UserDisplayName="user13757" />
  <row Id="10176" PostId="5360" Score="32" Text="I don't know whether this is intentional, but the name is telling: *ubuntu* can mean *compassion* in Xhosa, *kali* means *cruel* in Swahili." CreationDate="2017-10-24T14:59:00.090" UserId="219475" />
  <row Id="10178" PostId="5360" Score="53" Text="@JBentley If you wish to argue about the suitability of this question, please do so on meta. Before you do, please be aware that this is not Stack Overflow. Here, like on a majority of Stack Exchange sites, we tend to focus more on “is this question useful and on-topic?” and less about trying to apply “site rules” to the letter. We think about the objectives of the rules, rather than applying rules for the rules' sake." CreationDate="2017-10-24T19:11:54.457" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="10179" PostId="5360" Score="3" Text="I guess a relevant question would be: with so many easy to use Linux distros out there (Mint, Ubuntu, etc), why would anyone want to use Kali Linux?" CreationDate="2017-11-10T17:02:11.483" UserId="153991" />
  <row Id="10180" PostId="5360" Score="18" Text="Probably “[Mr. Robot](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4158110/)” is to blame. Yeah, Elliot does his hacking with Kali Linux. But  **for daily basics** even he, as the world's greatest hacker, [uses Linux Mint](https://www.reddit.com/r/MrRobot/comments/78g9ne/elliot_uses_linux_mint/). So if you want to use a Linux distro Elliot uses, use Mint and not Kali Linux." CreationDate="2017-11-17T17:45:20.117" UserId="150422" />
  <row Id="10181" PostId="5360" Score="3" Text="If you're looking for a pentesting distribution, then I suggest checking out Parrot Security OS. It's made for pentesters/hackers AND those wanting a general-purpose, _secure_ operating system without the hassle of many security-oriented flavours of GNU/Linux. There is a Lite and a Standard version, where lite comes with far less pentesting tools. _Both can serve easily as general purpose computers_. I've tested both the lite and standard versions, and both are phenomenal. For more info, check out [Parrot Security OS](https://www.parrotsec.org/)." CreationDate="2017-12-21T15:13:23.463" UserId="110689" />
  <row Id="10184" PostId="5361" Score="2" Text="You have a lot of repetition in your answer, rehashing the same thing 3 times or so.  Maybe have a TL:DR at the top with a 1 liner and then go into your points?" CreationDate="2017-10-24T21:46:23.843" UserId="124120" />
  <row Id="10185" PostId="5361" Score="13" Text="Kali isn’t hard, it’s a dump of tools into a debian distro. Some few driver patches. It’s the userbase that’s the problem. Is it somehow forbidden to point to the simplest explanation? The users are unprepared. Debian has a gigantic whopper of a book, for frig’s sake..." CreationDate="2017-10-24T00:02:04.667" UserId="228168" />
  <row Id="10186" PostId="5361" Score="29" Text="I find it to be a good answer *because* it is strict and discouraging.  We don't want to give the wrong impression.  Kali can be your first dive into Linux, but I find that your first impression is the lasting one.  Your first endeavor into Linux ought to be on a solid foundation with resources to help you improve." CreationDate="2017-10-23T14:41:07.747" UserId="110908" />
  <row Id="10187" PostId="5361" Score="0" Text="I think this is a very good answer, but maybe a bit too strict and discouraging. If the person feels interested to use Kali after reading this (and please do include the screw-propelled vehicle photo from the other answer - it is a brilliant image capturing the gist of this), shouldn't we say the obvious encouraging thing in the end - it can be done if you persist, are willing to learn and are sensible about it. And with a newbie distro - hmm, I have given manjaro to some people who did not know linux and they use it without problems." CreationDate="2017-10-23T11:44:07.870" UserId="54498" />
  <row Id="10189" PostId="5361" Score="0" Text="It looks like you can ask questions in Ubuntu Forums regarding distros based on Ubuntu that are not official variants (or &quot;flavors&quot; as they call them); see https://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=452." CreationDate="2017-10-22T11:42:25.480" UserId="6949" />
  <row Id="10190" PostId="5361" Score="4" Text="Is it any good mentioning the relative instability  of kali compared to other distros, being it a rolling distro?" CreationDate="2017-10-22T10:55:17.137" UserId="138261" />
  <row Id="10191" PostId="5361" Score="2" Text="Do students in computer security classes use something else? What about hobbyists learning about reverse engineering? Is there some rule that you need to be _professional_?" CreationDate="2017-10-24T23:53:12.827" UserDisplayName="user146970" />
  <row Id="10192" PostId="5361" Score="17" Text="I work on Fedora, so take this with that in mind, but note that Fedora has the [Fedora Security Spin](https://labs.fedoraproject.org/en/security/), which provides many security / forensic tools in combination with the general ease of use of Fedora." CreationDate="2017-10-22T15:02:13.720" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="10193" PostId="5361" Score="1" Text="@Gilles I mischaractized that then. I read the question as attempts to install and 'use' Kali including trying to use it for its intended purpose but when the user is a noob." CreationDate="2017-11-22T08:17:14.077" UserId="255491" />
  <row Id="10194" PostId="5361" Score="1" Text="@jdwolf This question is not meant to cover “I want to do this thing related to network security but it doesn't work”. It's meant to cover attempts to use Kali as a main OS." CreationDate="2017-11-22T08:09:47.390" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="10195" PostId="5361" Score="1" Text="@Gilles It's meant to be a reference question. Which means it wouldn't apply if the asker says &quot;I want to do this thing related to network security but it doesn't work (with kali)&quot; because the asker wasn't asking about distributions. If they are trying to install kali as a general purpose distro and they can't get their net working this answer makes perfect sense. If they actually want to get such and such tool to work &quot;Use ubuntu&quot; doesn't answer their question." CreationDate="2017-11-22T08:06:29.510" UserId="255491" />
  <row Id="10196" PostId="5361" Score="3" Text="@jdwolf This question is about distributions, not about what software to use to learn about network security. Kali wouldn't be a good platform to learn about detecting and exploiting network security, anyway: for that you should install a vulnerable distribution (i.e. a system with deliberate vulnerabilities), and of course you shouldn't use that as your main system either." CreationDate="2017-11-22T08:01:56.993" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="10197" PostId="5361" Score="0" Text="@Gilles I'm not really talking about distributions." CreationDate="2017-11-22T07:56:40.143" UserId="255491" />
  <row Id="10198" PostId="5361" Score="0" Text="@Gilles Any software they could look into installing on their Ubuntu then? Afterall thats what some of them are actually interested in. Although many are just in it for leet hackzor cred. There I agree, just use Ubuntu." CreationDate="2017-11-22T07:55:07.123" UserId="255491" />
  <row Id="10199" PostId="5361" Score="15" Text="@jdwolf Yes, we should. You can't learn network security if you're still struggling to install a video driver." CreationDate="2017-11-22T07:53:20.127" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="10200" PostId="5361" Score="2" Text="Might I suggest changing &quot;ordinary people&quot; to &quot;less experienced users&quot;? (I'd submit a suggestion, but I hesitate to for such a small change.)" CreationDate="2018-09-12T22:16:22.103" UserId="84908" />
  <row Id="10201" PostId="5361" Score="0" Text="@Gilles Thats my point actually. &quot;In what should I use then?&quot; are all general purpose linux distributions. For a beginner genuinely interested in penetration testing or network security should we just be saying &quot;Use Ubuntu&quot;?" CreationDate="2017-11-22T07:52:36.413" UserId="255491" />
  <row Id="10202" PostId="5361" Score="0" Text="Some users installing Kali Linux actually want to learn about network security. As I mentioned on Meta I think we should help users that actually using Kali for its intended purpose but are in over their heads. Do you think you should add a software suggestion to this answer of what to use instead of Kali for network security learning purposes?" CreationDate="2017-11-22T03:59:08.703" UserId="255491" />
  <row Id="10203" PostId="5361" Score="2" Text="@Hi-Angel: I don't know the exact criterion taken into account for DistroWatch to tag a distribution as Beginners friendly, but I suppose that the ability to read multimedia files out-of-the-box may be part of them (I guess). MP3 support in Fedora is very new (May 2017) and DVD are still not supported. Fedora however is well placed as a [Desktop](http://distrowatch.com/search.php?category=Beginners#simple), where such feature do not enter into account. The same thing affect OpenSUSE for instance, which spends a bunch of money on user experience but are not tagged as for &quot;beginners&quot;." CreationDate="2017-11-02T12:39:10.683" UserId="53965" />
  <row Id="10204" PostId="5361" Score="3" Text="@WhiteWinterWolf I find the &quot;Beginners&quot; distrowatch section doubtful, given they have Sabayon Linux *(being a Gentoo-based flavor)* on the 9th place, and Fedora is not even within 19 listed distros *(though Red Hat spends a bunch of money to their user experience and in particular to development of projects that not even directly related to them, like LibreOffice)*." CreationDate="2017-11-02T03:49:08.330" UserId="59928" />
  <row Id="10205" PostId="5361" Score="0" Text="We may want to add a section on “someone/websiteX told me to use it” since it is often the source of people trying it out." CreationDate="2017-10-29T00:25:52.650" UserId="138783" />
  <row Id="10206" PostId="5361" Score="8" Text="The speciality of use likely adds to the unwillingness to help; if someone is using a tool in a way it isn't intended, even the best expert isn't going to be in a good place to help much because they aren't experts in using it that way." CreationDate="2017-10-28T12:46:55.917" UserId="257849" />
  <row Id="10207" PostId="5361" Score="1" Text="@jdwolf See the section “What should I use then?”. You don't need Kali to learn about network security." CreationDate="2017-11-22T07:49:14.460" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="10208" PostId="5361" Score="4" Text="Good answer. I think that fights effectively the huge general misunderstanding about the learning curve in computer stuff. There's a bunch of people eager to h4ck the w0rld with Kali while lacking the most basic skills and knowledge. I've seen some &quot;penetration testing cheat sheets&quot; which were in fact a list of common Bash shell commands..." CreationDate="2018-04-27T10:11:20.727" UserId="34039" />
  <row Id="10209" PostId="5362" Score="0" Text="What hacking skill is required to customize one’s own environment?" CreationDate="2017-10-24T00:03:17.817" UserId="228168" />
  <row Id="10210" PostId="5362" Score="9" Text="@user2497 Hacking skill is not required to customise one's environment. However people who regularly use hacking tools will probably add them to the environment they use regularly, or customise their environment to make the things they do regularly easy, rather than use an off-the-shelf environment with pre-installed tools like Kali." CreationDate="2017-10-24T14:27:21.827" UserId="188804" />
  <row Id="10211" PostId="5362" Score="35" Text="I laughed pretty hard at the picture and following sentence. Thanks for writing that :)" CreationDate="2017-10-25T19:55:34.613" UserId="6252" />
  <row Id="10212" PostId="5362" Score="4" Text="*&quot;Screw-propelled vehicle&quot;* reminds me a lot of Hollywood lately... but that's just a little off-topic comment I find funny" CreationDate="2018-01-13T09:11:22.900" UserId="37589" />
  <row Id="10213" PostId="5362" Score="24" Text="**&quot;Using Kali does not make you a hacker&quot;** +100 for this. Exactly like buying a full military gear set won't make you a Navy SEAL." CreationDate="2018-04-27T10:00:40.713" UserId="34039" />
  <row Id="10214" PostId="5362" Score="2" Text="Hacking is a mentality/lifestyle, pen testers are hackers or at least the good ones. Kali Linux is a tool in the right hands it can do good and thus the opposite. It can also do nothing or create undo chaos in the hands of a unskilled user. Learn as much as you can but to learn the right way you can't be spoon fed, and given scripts to do everything for you. You have to HACK your way to the title. That is the definition and the life of a Hacker. Just keep pecking away at the wall until it falls. Then you have earned the right to plant your flag or take the one that is there for yourself." CreationDate="2018-12-18T02:11:53.057" UserId="321418" />
  <row Id="10215" PostId="5362" Score="0" Text="With a normal user though giving them the answer is often what is necessary as the common user lacks the drive/reason to learn the things that power users are willing to fight to learn." CreationDate="2018-12-18T02:14:22.650" UserId="321418" />
  <row Id="10216" PostId="5362" Score="3" Text="I upvoted this only reluctantly, because the picture seems to imply that Kali is hardened and is more secure than the average distro (like a tank is to a car), when the opposite is in fact true. Kali is a glass cannon." CreationDate="2019-03-23T06:13:14.783" UserId="277264" />
  <row Id="10217" PostId="5363" Score="27" Text="@Wildcard Actually, it does: if you want to learn Kali Linux, run it in a VM. That is in fact a good recommendation for someone who wants to learn Kali Linux (as opposed to someone who wants to learn Linux)." CreationDate="2017-10-24T21:47:31.250" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="10218" PostId="5363" Score="1" Text="What do you mean by *&quot;new documentation from opsec, the new book Kali revealed&quot;*? For instance: Is &quot;opsec&quot; an organisation, a website, a book publisher, or something else? What is the actual title of the book (if it is) - *&quot;Kali Revealed&quot;*?" CreationDate="2017-10-26T00:14:29.397" UserId="8284" />
  <row Id="10219" PostId="5363" Score="1" Text="It's called Kali revealed. It's a how to get the basics of Kali. It's available to buy or download a PDF for free. You can read it online to. It doesn't cover hacking tools but really covers more of Linux and packaging for Kali." CreationDate="2017-10-26T00:16:31.823" UserId="201441" />
  <row Id="10220" PostId="5363" Score="4" Text="Not *&quot;Kali Linux Revealed&quot;*? Book titles are not normally in [sentence case](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_case#Case_styles)." CreationDate="2017-10-26T00:17:52.100" UserId="8284" />
  <row Id="10221" PostId="5363" Score="4" Text="In any case (no pun intended), do you have a reference for the book?" CreationDate="2017-10-26T00:21:53.700" UserId="8284" />
  <row Id="10222" PostId="5363" Score="4" Text="@PeterMortensen I think this is a reference for the book: [_Kali Linux Revealed: Mastering the Penetration Testing Distribution_](https://www.kali.org/download-kali-linux-revealed-book/). It's by the organization/company Offensive Security, the makers of Kali Linux. (Suggested edits to the answer.)" CreationDate="2017-10-26T23:15:49.813" UserId="10732" />
  <row Id="10223" PostId="5364" Score="14" Text="The most important question - `Why can't I h4ck the world with Kali like MR.Robot does?!`" CreationDate="2018-01-25T02:24:46.670" UserId="126666" />
  <row Id="10224" PostId="5364" Score="0" Text="I was really driving at &quot;whatever you do&quot; you will be doing it over a few times, so don't be discouraged when the upgrades fail or the alternate desktops clobber each other or the drivers are suddenly broken. The best install script by far was for Mepis, but that is water under the bridge now." CreationDate="2017-10-31T04:22:14.497" UserId="70134" />
  <row Id="10225" PostId="5364" Score="0" Text="...And move on to a system augmented by a distro-independent, source based package manager if you want a challenge - eg, setup portage or pkgsrc on top of an existing system ... a lot to learn that way." CreationDate="2017-10-26T23:11:11.543" UserId="142027" />
  <row Id="10226" PostId="5364" Score="6" Text="Adding to the above, I wouldn't consider Debian a good distribution for someone just getting started with Linux. When Debian works, it works wonderfully, and typically just keeps on working forever as long as you stay on the same major version; however, it's not really set up to be *easy* from the get-go. Nonfree firmware isn't in the base distribution, for example; this is a biggie with many wireless network adapters. Generally, it sort of expects you to already know your way around at least somewhat. Less so than perhaps Slackware, but more so than Ubuntu. To each their own." CreationDate="2017-10-24T14:05:44.930" UserId="2465" />
  <row Id="10227" PostId="5364" Score="23" Text="This is a good try at an answer addressed to those migrating from Windows, but when you implicitly suggest that Gnome is unarguably better and Unity unarguably worse without the slightest explanation of the tradeoffs between them (nor of the fact that this is a &quot;holy war&quot; in itself), you do a disservice to the absolute beginners you're trying to address." CreationDate="2017-10-24T03:10:53.683" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="10228" PostId="5321" Score="0" Text="The WIKSH has now been moved to meta. Sorry for the delay, I admit I'd forgotten about this." CreationDate="2019-06-07T10:39:07.497" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10229" PostId="5366" Score="0" Text="Mr Robot is fictional and I gave up seeing the 2nd series ;) +1 for the answer, while blunt I can easily identify with it as a fellow *volunteer*." CreationDate="2019-06-07T14:06:35.487" UserId="138261" />
  <row Id="10230" PostId="5366" Score="0" Text="Blunt or honest? :-D Mr Robot = brain candy. Not serious, requires no thought, just sit back and enjoy. Not to everyone's taste, it's true but then what is?" CreationDate="2019-06-07T14:13:39.870" UserId="217629" />
  <row Id="10231" PostId="5367" Score="7" Text="I was trying to make your question more Answerable. After you added the link to the original and the steps/commands you took to reproduce the issue, I *upvoted* your Question. I have not voted to close it." CreationDate="2019-06-08T14:13:45.740" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10232" PostId="5367" Score="10" Text="I'm sorry Tim, but it seems as each time Jeff does _anything_ relating to your questions, you start ranting about abuse of power. In this case, I really can't see what Jeff did wrong. I myself often ask for clarifications to unclear questions, even though I don't know much about the topic (but I can see that there may be information missing), in the hope that a clarified question would attract someone who may know more than I do. That is what any user who cares about the users who asks questions should do." CreationDate="2019-06-08T23:17:57.660" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10234" PostId="5367" Score="0" Text="@Kusalananda You are under misconception, and I have responded to your comment by updating my post, and also re-read my post to understand what happened  after what. I was wondering also where is my last post of that user being unfit for moderator?" CreationDate="2019-06-09T04:19:46.007" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="10235" PostId="5367" Score="1" Text="It's [here](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5284/one-of-the-new-moderators-is-unfit-for-a-moderator)." CreationDate="2019-06-09T07:05:38.753" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="10236" PostId="5367" Score="11" Text="I don't think Jeff has ever told you to find somewhere else. I have. And I do so again now: please, please, for your sake and ours, please go find another place where you will be happy and where you won't be offended by the local rules. I honestly don't understand why you would want to waste your time in a community as toxic as you clearly think we are. Downvotes and closing are good things. If you don't see that, you will never be happy here, so go elsewhere! And this is not a threat, it is a heartfelt wish and piece of advice. You are not happy here, so why do you insist on staying?" CreationDate="2019-06-09T12:52:16.537" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10237" PostId="5367" Score="3" Text="Also, Tim, I removed the worst bits of baseless slander you were throwing at Jeff. If you have actual evidence of wrongdowing, take it up with SE, but you don't get to accuse others with no proof." CreationDate="2019-06-09T12:55:37.477" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10238" PostId="5367" Score="0" Text="@terdon  (1) &quot;I don't think Jeff has ever told you to find somewhere else.&quot; You did, so did he. You were not invovled, so how did you know he has not? (2)  &quot;community as toxic as you clearly think we are.&quot; Don't put words into my mouth." CreationDate="2019-06-09T13:05:10.477" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="10239" PostId="5367" Score="7" Text="I am not putting any words in your mouth. You're the one who keeps complaining about how bad things are here and how you find the SE system to be abusive. So I honestly don't understand why you stick around." CreationDate="2019-06-09T13:06:20.593" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10240" PostId="5367" Score="0" Text="@terdon: Well, since when did I target the ENTIRE or majority of the &quot;community&quot;? I know who I have been talking about. You are now trying to escalate the tension to your imagination and to your advantage." CreationDate="2019-06-09T13:07:44.617" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="10241" PostId="5367" Score="6" Text="[Here](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5177/is-this-site-willing-to-curb-the-abusive-downvotes-and-close-votes) and [here](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5130/please-stop-bullying) and [here](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4567/abusers-of-closing-votes) and every time you refer to downvotes and closing (the very things that make the site work) as &quot;abuse&quot;." CreationDate="2019-06-09T13:09:46.107" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10242" PostId="5367" Score="0" Text="@terdon Do you mean  the entirty or majority of the &quot;community&quot; abuse? You can open a post to complaint that if you wish" CreationDate="2019-06-09T13:10:29.637" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="10243" PostId="5367" Score="4" Text="Yes. The majority downvotes and closes questions. If you feel that's abuse, you should find another site." CreationDate="2019-06-09T13:11:39.463" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10244" PostId="5367" Score="0" Text="@terdon That are millions of users on this site. If you believe  the entirty or majority of them abuse, you are certainly welcomed to create a post to file a complaint. I don't think you don't know that." CreationDate="2019-06-09T13:12:41.860" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="10245" PostId="5367" Score="7" Text="I don't think any of them abuse. You do. Now stop undoing the edits that remove your slander. Slandering other users is against [the site's CoC](https://unix.stackexchange.com/conduct)." CreationDate="2019-06-09T13:20:57.423" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10247" PostId="5367" Score="0" Text="@Kusalananda  I have no interest in anything to do with the user. I always ignored his comments under my posts, when my posts were not to become closed or removed or invisible. Quite often, he was upset that I didn't respond to his &quot;help&quot;, and even started threatening me. (I don't know how to look them up, but I remember it clearly.)&#xA;&#xA;On the other hand, he often gossiped about me in the chat room, before I called him out to stop him. (this is just one example, https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/48938822#48938822, and there are more that  I remember but don't know how to find)" CreationDate="2019-06-09T13:54:06.337" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="10248" PostId="5367" Score="4" Text="Tim, I searched the chat room for [my messages containing &quot;Tim&quot;](https://chat.stackexchange.com/search?q=Tim&amp;user=155906&amp;room=26) (39 matches over ~2 years) and  [your messages containing &quot;Jeff&quot;](https://chat.stackexchange.com/search?q=Jeff&amp;user=4432&amp;room=26) (no matches), because I couldn't remember gossiping about you. The link you gave is from February, and I responded to your &quot;Jeffery can you be less drama?&quot; with a correction to my name and a follow-up question, which you never responded to. If you remember others, those search links should make it easier for you to find them." CreationDate="2019-06-10T00:54:56.057" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10249" PostId="5367" Score="4" Text="Here's a [chat message from me that you may have forgotten](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/26?m=40157848#40157848): &quot;I love it. A good question from Tim :) real code, real consequences, surprising results, clear question&quot;" CreationDate="2019-06-10T00:55:47.630" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10250" PostId="5366" Score="1" Text="I'm pretty sure Elliot (in Mr. Robot) mostly uses Mint as his daily driver, which I've generally heard is even easier than Ubuntu for a beginner." CreationDate="2019-06-12T20:22:44.313" UserId="288980" />
  <row Id="10251" PostId="5359" Score="0" Text="+1 for @muru' response. In fact I'd go one farther and suggest Unix &amp; Linux under the shells, or better; bash Tags. :)" CreationDate="2019-06-15T08:01:39.120" UserId="357848" />
  <row Id="10252" PostId="4744" Score="2" Text="This was brought up again today. I've created a synonym between the two and am prepared to merge them. Merging: &quot;retags all questions tagged with another tag – which is not automatically done when a synonym is created. As merging is not (easily) reversible, it should be done with caution&quot;.  As the question and the top answer both specifically used the word &quot;merge&quot;, I'll proceed with the merge in a few days, barring objections." CreationDate="2019-06-17T20:10:52.633" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10253" PostId="4753" Score="1" Text="A year later, these tags have not been merged. I've created synonyms today and am prepared to merge them. Please reply here if you've changed your mind for any reason; I'll revisit the issue in a week. Thank you!" CreationDate="2019-06-17T20:12:08.090" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10254" PostId="4753" Score="1" Text="@JeffSchaller I still don't see any reason to keep separate tags. By the way, [there are plenty of tag synonym proposals](https://unix.stackexchange.com/tags) (but watch out, [tag:historical-unix] is not at all a synonym of [tag:history], I have no idea why people voted for that one)." CreationDate="2019-06-17T21:32:26.837" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="10255" PostId="5370" Score="0" Text="A tag edit would have been sufficient to bump into the active list. ([Tag:status-completed]?)" CreationDate="2019-06-18T10:26:33.737" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="10256" PostId="5370" Score="1" Text="I think writing an Answer is the correct approach here. An answer provides the means to clearly highlight the irreversibility of going ahead with a merge -- so users have a chance to put forward any potential objections before the task is completed." CreationDate="2019-06-18T12:17:34.137" UserId="22812" />
  <row Id="10257" PostId="5370" Score="1" Text="Since this wasn't a fresh or highly-voted topic, I thought I'd take the slow route.  Status-completed is premature at this point, since I wanted to confirm the community's consensus. I'll do like I said and follow up in a few days, to give people time to see this." CreationDate="2019-06-18T12:26:58.973" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10258" PostId="5358" Score="0" Text="My psychic powers tell me that it's one of these: Your `$TERM` is wrong, your terminfo files are wrong (but not the older termcap files), `screen` or `tmux` is somehow to blame, or your terminal is one of those evil ones that pretends to be xterm without actually supporting xterm's capabilities correctly." CreationDate="2019-06-18T23:52:18.927" UserId="91565" />
  <row Id="10259" PostId="5358" Score="0" Text="@Kevin - your psychic powers are wrong sorry. Actual answer (apparently someone asked already) was that it's a bug^H^H^H feature in bash, where ANSI characters confuse the terminal's line width calculation due to being unprintable; you have to square-brace escape them in the prompt. Oh, and it ONLY has an issue when the window is small, if you maximize it the issue goes away" CreationDate="2019-06-19T00:43:01.117" UserId="5448" />
  <row Id="10260" PostId="5358" Score="0" Text="Out of curiosity, which site had the question that helped you solve your issue?" CreationDate="2019-06-19T05:06:59.383" UserId="216421" />
  <row Id="10261" PostId="5358" Score="0" Text="Don't remember off-hand but 90% it was this one (Unix)" CreationDate="2019-06-19T12:02:33.050" UserId="5448" />
  <row Id="10262" PostId="5373" Score="3" Text="Looking it over this looks like it belongs here to me. The title says it all IMO what the Q is." CreationDate="2019-06-22T14:40:32.830" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="10263" PostId="4248" Score="0" Text="That entire question has been deleted, so none of us with sub-10K rep can see it, so this entire meta question is unintelligible to us now. Except muru's answer seems useful. This meta-question's title is off, it would be better to say &quot;Where did my deleted answer go? ...&quot;" CreationDate="2019-06-22T15:01:16.880" UserId="11836" />
  <row Id="10264" PostId="4249" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the explanation. Is there any site enhance that could be done to make it more obvious where an answer went when a migration fails, for people like the OP?" CreationDate="2019-06-22T15:02:58.607" UserId="11836" />
  <row Id="10265" PostId="5373" Score="0" Text="It looks too broad to me, with a side of &quot;not a real question&quot;. A version of what it's asking could probably exist but that isn't it." CreationDate="2019-06-22T21:54:27.193" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="10266" PostId="5373" Score="1" Text="By today's standards, that question is possibly too broad (the site's standards are somewhat fluid over long timespans, and depends on its users), but I'm also wondering what made you pick this particular, over five years old, question and why it's important to you." CreationDate="2019-06-22T22:24:03.757" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10267" PostId="4744" Score="0" Text="The tags have been merged." CreationDate="2019-06-24T01:28:52.387" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10268" PostId="5373" Score="0" Text="Maybe because I tried to answer it, but was told it wasn't even an answer and realized that the question didn't seem answerable, which seemed to put it outside the bounds of this site." CreationDate="2019-06-24T01:56:52.367" UserId="37521" />
  <row Id="10269" PostId="5373" Score="1" Text="A historical lock on the question would resolve *each* of you's issues pretty well." CreationDate="2019-06-24T08:05:57.853" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="10270" PostId="5373" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHomer This is a good idea, but since there's an active answer on it, I may hold off until that stabilises." CreationDate="2019-06-24T08:15:25.370" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10271" PostId="5374" Score="3" Text="Thank you for posting on Meta! If/when you feel consensus has been reached, feel free to ping me for the moderator side of things." CreationDate="2019-06-25T13:01:58.133" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10273" PostId="5373" Score="1" Text="I wouldn't close or lock the question, myself, but that's just my opinion. If others feel it's too broad, making it not answerable, then we should signal that with a lock or closure. It seems ambitious, but answerable, to me. We had a similar Meta question recently, [What's the best site to post a question about weird bash prompt behavior when using ANSI colors?](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/q/5358/117549), whose (highly-voted) answer pointed to U&amp;L and SuperUser as good fits for *that* question." CreationDate="2019-06-25T13:06:12.337" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10282" PostId="5373" Score="0" Text="W/regards to something that is a type of user application using ANSI colors, where would people hold a discussion regarding &quot;csh&quot; or &quot;sh&quot; and ANSI colors, how about  &quot;psh&quot; (perl shell) or a pysh (python).  Unix originally came with a Bourne shell, Linux was a raw OS, and don't know that any shell was specifically a linux shell though bash has, for many, become a defacto linux shell, but not usually in strict posix mode (strict compliance is a &quot;configure&quot; build option).  I guess there isn't a site for 'shell' questions?  :-(" CreationDate="2019-06-25T22:04:22.923" UserId="37521" />
  <row Id="10285" PostId="5376" Score="1" Text="I think Manishearth [had a point](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/252217/multiple-buttons-for-the-same-action-a-ux-solution-to-the-low-quality-posts-pr). I.e. the LQP review system as it exists, nudges some people towards deleting low-quality posts that are nevertheless technically answers. (Clue in the name :-). I don't want to have *too* high expectations of (re-)discussing this in Meta. Maybe U&amp;L is smaller enough, that reviewers &amp; flaggers can smooth off some more sharp edges than SO does. (Or choose to file the edges sharper, if that is the consensus :-)." CreationDate="2019-06-26T12:47:35.627" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="10286" PostId="5376" Score="0" Text="&quot;Common principles for the site&quot; might not be quite the right phrase.  I.e. at best it would gather consensus among the reviewers (and flaggers, for the manually-flagged posts in LQP) who look in Meta, but there will still be some users who do not agree, and not very tight enforcement of it." CreationDate="2019-06-26T12:50:30.883" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="10287" PostId="5373" Score="1" Text="@Astara all of those are 100% on topic here. Essentially, if it is installed on/is relevant to a *nix system, then you can ask about it here." CreationDate="2019-06-26T16:13:03.940" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10288" PostId="5376" Score="1" Text="@sourcejedi In my opinion the proposal in that Q/A makes a good point: let reviewers classify posts instead of deciding what to do with them. Though it seems to take a different perspective than that of my question, focusing on how the LQPQ can be made less confusing _given that_ only answers that are not functionally answers should be deleted. About my phrasing: surely it can be improved, I'm open to suggestions (especially considering that I'm not a native English speaker and nuances may be important here)." CreationDate="2019-06-26T20:05:16.110" UserId="315749" />
  <row Id="10289" PostId="5376" Score="0" Text="You called me out, I guess I am being too nit-picky about the phrase specifically :-). But, the &quot;guidelines&quot; you linked to look like they are &quot;just&quot; a community post on the main StackExchange Meta.  Maybe you could steal that word, i.e. &quot;guidelines for our site&quot;.  IMO &quot;guidelines&quot; sometimes has that connotation, that not everyone is forced to follow them." CreationDate="2019-06-26T20:45:52.717" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="10290" PostId="5376" Score="0" Text="@sourcejedi I'm sorry, it wasn't my intention. I see your point about &quot;principles&quot; VS &quot;guidelines&quot; and I edited my question." CreationDate="2019-06-26T22:37:12.037" UserId="315749" />
  <row Id="10291" PostId="5377" Score="0" Text="&quot;one-liner&quot; meaning only that it is short? Or that it is short *because* it only has part of an answer? &quot;You can ensure the rsync data is not corrupted in the network by using the rsync --checksum option&quot; could be an one-line answer to a question, which is sufficient except for being wrong." CreationDate="2019-06-27T08:26:26.047" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="10292" PostId="5377" Score="0" Text="The effort put into answers is an interesting criterion and I feel it somehow has a role in shaping my opinion about keeping/deleting too." CreationDate="2019-06-27T09:54:42.807" UserId="315749" />
  <row Id="10293" PostId="5373" Score="0" Text="So if this exchange was for Windows, anything about linux would be relevant because linux runs on Windows?  Either I'm &quot;way&quot; missing something, or I can't see how, since everything is &quot;installed&quot; on top of our this reality, this planet, our visual system, etc...  Simply being installed on some OS could make any program or OS relevant and that seems overly broad to me.  So what am I missing??  How is that question not leading to some answer that is overly broad?  The guidelines also say the topic must be directly related to *nix.  How is ascii art directly related to either?" CreationDate="2019-06-28T03:57:58.363" UserId="37521" />
  <row Id="10294" PostId="5378" Score="0" Text="Why wouldn't it be relevant on a Windows site as well since bash runs both natively on windows, under cygwin on windows and via Win's linux-subsystem where it can run any linux.  Is question only about bash or is it about any display with a background with color and some form of ... what type of character?  Realistically the answer to the question is &quot;NO&quot;, since, since 1) ASCII doesn't provide arrows and boxes; those look like the OEM charset from original DOS but they definitely are not ASCII.  The background that bash writes on isn't part of bash here anymore than when you use a printing tty" CreationDate="2019-06-28T04:10:21.477" UserId="37521" />
  <row Id="10295" PostId="5373" Score="0" Text="The first sentence of my answer, 1st paragraph says: &quot;Whether or not they can be is dependent on the hardware and software one is using. You got a rather 'free' random noise on analogue TV sets when tuned into nothing.&quot;  That was followed by my asking why he wanted to do this -- which no one was able to answer:  &quot;However, more important is &quot;why would you want do do something like this?&quot; &quot;.  I then proceeded to give examples of why you wouldn't to possible reasons why, and the effects it would have.  I gave an answer, asked for what it was for or why was it being done." CreationDate="2019-06-28T04:15:00.347" UserId="37521" />
  <row Id="10296" PostId="5373" Score="0" Text="(cont).. and tried to give examples of why it wasn't good to possible reasons that came to mind.  So far, never got any info on why or what they were trying to do.  Deleting my answer in light that you don't like it seems very much against the character of stack exchange.  If they can't say why they want this or what they are trying to accomplish, how can it add to this site?  It hasn't been answered in 5½ years. If the question isn't answerable, then I have a hard time with it being on a Q/A site that want short, concise answers.  Also..." CreationDate="2019-06-28T04:21:05.970" UserId="37521" />
  <row Id="10297" PostId="5373" Score="0" Text="Deleting my question on that page when it is referenced on this page as forming the basis for questioning the relevance of the initial topic is unnecessarily inflammatory, especially when it does answer the question.  Your deletion of that answer appears to be a classic example of strong emotion causing selective reading that only supports what you already decided: that it had no answer.  However, it did.  Would you please revert your deletion until the issue has been discussed here with some consensus?" CreationDate="2019-06-28T04:26:48.547" UserId="37521" />
  <row Id="10298" PostId="5378" Score="0" Text="So what is the real problem they want to solve?  At the very least, is it about screen backgrounds? PC-OEM characters?  he mentioned looking at some description of a linux terminal, though there are 15 in the terminfo database and 19 in the termcap database and bash can use either depending on how it was compiled.  None of the terminal codes have anything to do with bash nor the graphics characters that show in his examples.  More than one term allows programming these, but that's all outside of bash." CreationDate="2019-06-28T04:37:41.503" UserId="37521" />
  <row Id="10300" PostId="5376" Score="1" Text="LQP doesn't offer the option to downvote. Could this be added? To do this rather than vote to delete requires me to open the Q/A in a new window and downvote it there - possibly with a comment - before returning to the original review queue. Where it's a wrong answer but &quot;plausible&quot; I would prefer to downvote/comment than delete" CreationDate="2019-06-28T15:54:24.710" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="10301" PostId="5376" Score="2" Text="@roaima This is a good point, especially if we consider that downvoting is suggested by the guidelines for reviewing. But I see that (down)voting in the LQP queue [has been status-declined](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/228738/410681). Also, that queue seems not to be designed to make it easy to [engage with poor but salvageable posts](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/197568/410681) (unfortunately, IMO)." CreationDate="2019-06-28T19:11:07.673" UserId="315749" />
  <row Id="10302" PostId="5374" Score="0" Text="Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been [moved to chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/95517/discussion-on-question-by-sourcejedi-the-x-tag-should-be-aliased-to-x11-ag)." CreationDate="2019-06-29T00:18:13.460" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10303" PostId="5378" Score="0" Text="@Astara you may well have a valid point that the question is unclear, but that's something you can flag it for. It doesn't make the subject off topic. And why do you focus so much on bash? That isn't the only shell that is on topic here, far from it!" CreationDate="2019-06-29T11:21:11.157" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10304" PostId="5373" Score="0" Text="@Astara I deleted your answer simply because it wasn't answering the question, as I explain in my answer below. If you want to ask the OP for clarifications, then please do so in the comments, not in an answer. Answers should _only_ be posted if they are providing an actual answer to the question asked. As for the rest, this site isn't about Windows, so what a Windows site would do is not really relevant. This site does indeed consider pretty much _anything_ done with a *nix machine as on topic, yes." CreationDate="2019-06-29T11:26:35.887" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10305" PostId="5381" Score="0" Text="1) Answer to &quot;Can the empty spaces/background in a terminal be replaced with a random(but pretty) pattern of ASCII characters?&quot; IS &quot;Whether or not they can be is dependent on the hardware and software being used&quot;. Then I gave an example: &quot;You got a rather 'free' random noise on analogue TV sets when tuned into nothing. &quot;. That is an answer, but for a more complete answer, I wanted to know &quot;why&quot;, and continued with: &quot;However, more important is 'why would you want do do something like this?'&quot;  Then continued with comments on possible answers to 'why'." CreationDate="2019-06-29T16:57:33.437" UserId="37521" />
  <row Id="10306" PostId="5378" Score="0" Text="I focus on bash for multiple reasons, with the main one being the users statement: (end of 1st paragraph) &quot;The following question is geared solely at the bash shell and its implementation in the Linux terminal framework and its underpinnings. &quot;" CreationDate="2019-06-29T17:13:06.563" UserId="37521" />
  <row Id="10307" PostId="5381" Score="0" Text="@Astara OK, but that should have been a comment. If you need the details of the hardware to be able to answer, then ask for them in a comment and only post an answer when you feel the question is answerable. We regularly delete answers that ask for clarifications." CreationDate="2019-06-29T17:13:28.007" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10308" PostId="4626" Score="1" Text="Why would they delete their question if it was answered in a comment?  Does getting an answer to a posted question somehow result in some negative points being added to your account?  It doesn't make sense.  Oops... was about to add on a paragraph that might be an answer...*whew*, glad I caught that....‹sorry no time to p ost an answer now› (...not!?)..." CreationDate="2019-06-29T17:29:22.897" UserId="37521" />
  <row Id="10309" PostId="5382" Score="0" Text="Comments can not be edited (corrected), nor be downvoted. If comments were able to be accepted as answers, they would be answers that effectively bypass peer review." CreationDate="2019-06-29T17:37:22.253" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10310" PostId="4636" Score="0" Text="&quot;Other, more antagonistic sites&quot;?  Other SE sites?  That's discouraging that such attitudes and behaviors aren't evicted from the SE network.  I.e. How inviting would you feel if your question was &quot;pinned&quot; (made undeletable) to use as an insult and belittling platform.  I'd have to wonder if that was common to all SE sites." CreationDate="2019-06-29T17:39:24.903" UserId="37521" />
  <row Id="10311" PostId="5381" Score="0" Text="I gave an answer but wanted to know more information to give a better answer depending on their response.  As it was, I gave the best answer I could at the time." CreationDate="2019-06-29T17:44:33.840" UserId="37521" />
  <row Id="10313" PostId="5381" Score="0" Text="@Astara I understand that. But on SE, if you need more information in order to post an answer, it is better if you ask for that information in a comment and only post when you can actually give a way of doing what the question is asking for." CreationDate="2019-06-29T17:48:16.233" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10314" PostId="5382" Score="0" Text="FWIW, I regard the inabilty to edit a comment as being a flaw in the site that simply forces me to delete the comment and repost the edited version.  More than once I've tried to *continue* a comment that I've accidently hit Enter on, only to be told I was past the deadline for editing -- when in my mind, I hadn't even finished the comment, but had it &quot;autofinished&quot; due to some random event that posted it for me.  ☹" CreationDate="2019-06-29T17:57:44.423" UserId="37521" />
  <row Id="10315" PostId="5382" Score="0" Text="Then maybe you are using the comments for the wrong things? They should mainly be used to request clarification." CreationDate="2019-06-29T18:01:37.933" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10316" PostId="5381" Score="0" Text="I gave an answer to the question, but the question skipped around and I wasn't clear what they wanted (if anything) such that I could improve the answer.  If they didn't care for a better answer, but were satisfied with what they got, then fine.  If there was insufficient information for any valid answer, then I'd probably comment, as I usually tend to be over precise, or contextual, in giving an answer.  Some people dislike that or feel put-off, depending on context with too many questions." CreationDate="2019-06-29T18:03:34.177" UserId="37521" />
  <row Id="10317" PostId="5382" Score="0" Text="So if I'm overly precise or too descriptive in asking for a clarification, then it is not a clarification?  How should I post such?" CreationDate="2019-06-29T18:06:41.547" UserId="37521" />
  <row Id="10318" PostId="5381" Score="0" Text="FWIW, in response to my taking to long to compose a comment, I have had the comment input &quot;auto-ended&quot; and been unable to store an edit of the comment.  Same goes if my comment has too much detail.  Already, I've gotten feedback in such a situation that &quot;maybe you are using the comments for the wrong things? They should mainly be used to request clarification&quot;.  I can just see trying to fit my examples that followed in that question into a comment: not a good fit.  This has me often stuck &quot;in between&quot; as my answers are often contextual, and improvable given more precise context." CreationDate="2019-06-29T18:14:01.980" UserId="37521" />
  <row Id="10319" PostId="5377" Score="1" Text="@sourcejedi It's about effort, which indeed correlates with length. If in the example you provided `rsync` is made a hyperlink to the man page, and the command is properly formatted, I'd be less inclined to vote to delete. If the very same answer comes up with no formatting whatsoever and a couple of typos, it wouldn't qualify for nice treatment." CreationDate="2019-06-29T18:45:21.577" UserId="106927" />
  <row Id="10320" PostId="5382" Score="0" Text="If it's an answer that is making a number of assumptions, for example, then it should be posted as an answer." CreationDate="2019-06-29T19:51:40.640" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10321" PostId="5381" Score="0" Text="&quot;frame challenges&quot; are SOP on many if not most SE sites and I think the answer is an attempt at that. *This* question has an assumption (&quot;assuming it is right format for stackexchange sites&quot;) that I don't think is met, however, which is really what the issue is (to me - the answers here and most of the comments don't seem to read it that way)." CreationDate="2019-06-29T19:55:35.077" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="10322" PostId="5381" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHomer if the answer had actually explained the hardware limitations and how those affect the issue at hand, that might have been the case, but it really was mostly an appeal to aesthetics for why what the OP was asking for would be ugly and unclear. As for the rest, I honestly don't see any issue with the question other than excessive length." CreationDate="2019-06-30T11:46:20.283" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10329" PostId="5382" Score="2" Text="I've been told if it isn't a complete answer, then it shouldn't be posted.  A conditional answer, apparently is only a partial answer, thus not a real answer.  :-(  I don't know if I believe that, but I can always find someone to criticize anything I do. Can't believe how wonderful that is." CreationDate="2019-07-01T09:59:56.303" UserId="37521" />
  <row Id="10332" PostId="4086" Score="0" Text="It is of course possible to create [animated images from which text can be copied](https://nbedos.github.io/termtosvg/) ;-)." CreationDate="2019-07-01T15:09:58.157" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="10338" PostId="5381" Score="0" Text="Let us [continue this discussion in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/95588/discussion-between-terdon-and-astara)." CreationDate="2019-07-01T15:38:06.023" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10339" PostId="5374" Score="1" Text="Not sure if this should be in discussion or here ( so I also posted there).  I may be a little late to this discussion, but it's the &quot;X Window System&quot;, and X11 is version 11 of the X Window System. And, of course, there are revisions of this version (X11R4, X11R5, X11R6...). Since XFree86 and X.org are (were) common implementations, I feel &quot;X&quot; should be the &quot;real&quot; tag, and &quot;X11&quot; an alias." CreationDate="2019-07-02T01:02:01.933" UserId="168757" />
  <row Id="10341" PostId="5374" Score="1" Text="@StephenHarris [x] *feels* too short to me.  E.g. you don't use it as a search term. &quot;X Windows&quot; is not *formally* accepted, so it's very common to use &quot;X11&quot; as the abbreviation.  And in practice &quot;X11&quot; is appropriate 99.9% of the time, as detailed in the question. It's about as fossilised as &quot;System V&quot;, &quot;OS X&quot; etc :-). I think the real reason is we should &quot;pave the cowpaths&quot;, and [x11] has been used much more than [x].  I'll wait a bit longer to see if anyone agrees with you. I'm fine with here, your main point is in service to the question, although you could post it as an answer if you like" CreationDate="2019-07-02T07:43:11.047" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="10342" PostId="5374" Score="0" Text="@StephenHarris I'm not watching the specific discussion, but you could ask in the main chat if anyone would be interested in seconding your answer.  Assuming my response hasn't convinced you to withdraw it :-)." CreationDate="2019-07-02T07:45:49.390" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="10343" PostId="5375" Score="6" Text="I think that practically everyone using X is actually using X11. And I'd prefer `X11` just because I think one-character tags are too short." CreationDate="2019-07-02T12:47:07.590" UserId="320598" />
  <row Id="10344" PostId="5374" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller ping :-).  Can we do this now?  See also the comment on the answer post." CreationDate="2019-07-04T15:21:57.597" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="10345" PostId="5374" Score="4" Text="@sourcejedi pong! :) the [tag:x] tag has been aliased to the [tag:x11] tag." CreationDate="2019-07-05T18:15:11.617" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10346" PostId="4629" Score="0" Text="The fact that you call irrelevant the inability of rating &quot;answer&quot; usefulness is perturbing." CreationDate="2019-07-07T02:23:59.070" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="10347" PostId="5383" Score="0" Text="I think I see your point. Independently of the accuracy of &quot;strong consensus&quot;, which is to some extent instrumental in my question, I agree that our aim should be to define this site's version of the guidelines." CreationDate="2019-07-09T08:57:31.580" UserId="315749" />
  <row Id="10348" PostId="3960" Score="0" Text="Related reading: https://askubuntu.com/a/510989/457111" CreationDate="2019-07-12T21:36:56.967" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="10350" PostId="5377" Score="0" Text="My only adjustment here is that the LQP review privilege comes alongside the editing privilege, so if the only thing &quot;wrong&quot; with an Answer is some typos or missing formatting, I would encourage you to edit the post accordingly. Note that the  queue's subtitle says &quot;Identify, then **improve** or delete low-quality posts&quot;." CreationDate="2019-07-17T19:46:32.067" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10351" PostId="5377" Score="0" Text="I would also  encourage you to think about treating long posts and one-liners the same in regards to addressing the question. Why would you delete a short &amp; wrong answer but not delete a long &amp; wrong answer? I would recommend keeping both and leaving a comment on both that points out the shortcomings or misinterpretation. Give the author a chance to correct the post or to delete it." CreationDate="2019-07-17T19:47:55.047" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10352" PostId="5377" Score="1" Text="Perhaps the part that we're missing here is the decision about when to delete a post, separate from the LQP queue.  Answers that have been commented on and possibly downvoted from the queue *may* eventually be deleted. *I think* the point of the LQP is to be something like a triage gate where NAA's are weeded out." CreationDate="2019-07-17T19:51:04.903" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10353" PostId="5386" Score="12" Text="&quot;Go back to your country&quot; and &quot;Leave if you don't follow the rules&quot; are not quite the same thing. Are you proposing that we simply scrap all rules of conduct on this site?  Also, if anyone considers this site as &quot;their home&quot;, then I think they would benefit from taking a break from the computer for a while, seriously." CreationDate="2019-07-18T10:54:45.460" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10354" PostId="5386" Score="4" Text="Depending on the country, it might very well mean *death* to return. Are you saying that using a site other than Stack Exchange is equivalent to death?" CreationDate="2019-07-18T12:49:17.097" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="10358" PostId="4086" Score="0" Text="@terdon About migration: I've seen mods on the music SE site protest about images. Photography is probably quite an exception" CreationDate="2019-07-20T17:41:25.117" UserId="323121" />
  <row Id="10360" PostId="5389" Score="0" Text="thanks for your answer. What is surprising me is that I think I gained my approximate impact rather through my 60 questions then my 15 answers. Also I do not think (but I would need to check this), that any of them is as highly viewed. So for me it rather looked like a change in the way it is calculated. (I think all my posts have &lt; 10000 views). I also wonder about the fact, that the algorithm only explains calculations for answers and not for questions." CreationDate="2019-07-21T17:37:18.453" UserId="240990" />
  <row Id="10361" PostId="5389" Score="3" Text="Indeed, questions get a more direct calculation, from what I can see [here](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/244534/were-working-on-a-new-stat-to-help-convey-the-reach-of-your-posts-here) -- simply the number of views on a non-deleted question. Answers get impact counts by virtue of being on a viewed question and meeting the above criteria." CreationDate="2019-07-21T18:04:20.410" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10362" PostId="5390" Score="3" Text="Agreed, a simple and reasonable suggestion." CreationDate="2019-07-23T01:43:00.193" UserId="62481" />
  <row Id="10364" PostId="5390" Score="0" Text="Looks like I have just enough points in [tag:touchpad], so I created the [tag:trackpad] tag and suggested it as a synonym. [Vote away!](https://unix.stackexchange.com/tags/touchpad/synonyms)" CreationDate="2019-07-24T13:56:10.393" UserId="258991" />
  <row Id="10365" PostId="5390" Score="0" Text="There are like 8 users who can vote on that synonym, so we need 50% turnout at least. :/ Or a mod, and two of those 8 are mods." CreationDate="2019-07-24T14:22:03.187" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="10366" PostId="5390" Score="2" Text="Since there are so few users with the required reputation on the [tag:touchpad] tag, and since the response here looks primarily in favour for the synonym, I have created the synonym [tag:trackpad] for [tag:touchpad]." CreationDate="2019-07-25T13:16:47.260" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10367" PostId="5338" Score="0" Text="Linux Mint is considered insecure? Is this true?" CreationDate="2019-07-26T18:45:18.440" UserId="350958" />
  <row Id="10368" PostId="5338" Score="0" Text="You've reached the site that talks about the site @Benjamin so here we talk about *getting rid of bad opinions*...  **;-)**" CreationDate="2019-07-27T06:06:34.527" UserId="90054" />
  <row Id="10374" PostId="5394" Score="0" Text="Thank you Jeff, very clear and concise." CreationDate="2019-07-30T15:12:20.390" UserId="364692" />
  <row Id="10375" PostId="5396" Score="0" Text="Thanks @muru. In reference to your example, I noticed that you didn't actually post an explanation until the comment. To be fair, AFAICT the answerer from my question also does that. This actually seems counter to my instinct, and the first part of your response." CreationDate="2019-08-01T03:52:56.003" UserId="18887" />
  <row Id="10376" PostId="5396" Score="9" Text="@Sparhawk Exactly! I didn't add an explanation because I thought it was trivial. Turns out, at least one user didn't understand it, and needed explanation." CreationDate="2019-08-01T04:57:34.537" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="10377" PostId="5397" Score="7" Text="There is a script that runs once a day to detect and correct serial voting when it occurs. You can read about it on this meta.se post: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/126829/what-is-serial-voting-and-how-does-it-affect-me" CreationDate="2019-08-01T07:06:29.590" UserId="183517" />
  <row Id="10378" PostId="5395" Score="16" Text="Manuals describe tools, they do not generally describe how to use them. Explaining how the code uses the tools is a good thing, _especially_ when making assumptions and when there may be conditions under which the code may fail." CreationDate="2019-08-01T07:16:57.527" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10379" PostId="5397" Score="3" Text="You, me, [Gilles](https://unix.stackexchange.com/users/885/gilles?tab=reputation), [mosvy](https://unix.stackexchange.com/users/308316/mosvy?tab=reputation) ..." CreationDate="2019-08-01T07:17:03.063" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="10380" PostId="5397" Score="1" Text="@muru Quite impressive as a pattern. That even looks like something a bot would do." CreationDate="2019-08-01T07:21:28.780" UserId="281844" />
  <row Id="10381" PostId="5397" Score="0" Text="@n8te Thanks for the pointer! I'll check that this is solved within 24h then." CreationDate="2019-08-01T07:32:10.313" UserId="281844" />
  <row Id="10382" PostId="5396" Score="5" Text="Quite. `awk 1` doesn't make sense until you realise that missing conditions and actions have inferred default values." CreationDate="2019-08-01T07:43:09.533" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="10383" PostId="5397" Score="3" Text="@filbranden - this type of DV'ing pattern is typically the nightly job running, hence the clustering of the votes around the same time. Happens to most of us pretty much on a daily basis. As your rep grows your surface area for becoming susceptible to this goes up (since you likely have more Q/A's)." CreationDate="2019-08-01T12:39:39.913" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="10384" PostId="5396" Score="1" Text="wrt `Why even write any code then?` so the person looking for help gets the help they immediately need and has something they can look up in the man pages and google. Just responding RTFM doesn't tell them what it is they need to look up in the manual. `i++` doesn't need a comment and neither does any other code that can be figured out by spending a few minutes looking at the documentation plus just posting that basic code leaves the answer uncluttered for people with experience and teaches those without experience where to go to learn about the current code and more." CreationDate="2019-08-02T05:32:12.567" UserId="133219" />
  <row Id="10385" PostId="5396" Score="9" Text="@EdMorton we're not here just for the fulfilling the immediate needs of the asker, though. The goal of the site is long-term, and to be reasonably self-contained. If for any answer I absolutely have to go to an external resource to understand it, then that answer has failed. It's no better than a link-only answer." CreationDate="2019-08-02T05:35:05.797" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="10386" PostId="5396" Score="0" Text="@muru - I didn't say we were, yes it is, and that's not the kind of answer we're talking about." CreationDate="2019-08-02T05:38:19.340" UserId="133219" />
  <row Id="10387" PostId="5396" Score="3" Text="As for `i++`, Python, for example, has no `i++`. If the person had never studied a language with an increment operator, they would have no idea what a `++` is." CreationDate="2019-08-02T05:38:22.487" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="10388" PostId="5396" Score="0" Text="So we should document `i++` every time we write it in the thousands of answers that use it for the sake of the 1 in 100,000 people who have never seen it before and can't figure out what it means? That's the kind of absurdity I'm claiming we should not cater to. Post simple code and let people look up parts and/or ask questions if they have to - anything else is a waste of time for the people providing answers and the vast majority of people reading them in future who already have a basic understanding of the domain and is far more effective at teaching everyone else how to learn the topic." CreationDate="2019-08-02T05:44:40.917" UserId="133219" />
  <row Id="10389" PostId="5396" Score="1" Text="@EdMorton of course not. But we should explain what the goal is. For example, in https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/522083/70524, I didn't explain what `++` is, but I did say what I was doing with it there. Because what exactly `++` did was only incidental to what I wanted as the outcome. Yet the syntax can be obscure enough that it's worth explaining what the goal is, so someone looking to adapt it can do so to whatever extent they understand the syntax." CreationDate="2019-08-02T05:48:02.307" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="10390" PostId="5396" Score="1" Text="I think all of your comments in that code are completely redundant as it's extremely obvious what the code is doing but lets just agree to disagree. The `++`s in that code are doing nothing except using up cpu and memory, though, you could just remove them. Also the index to ks should be constructed using `$1,$2` instead of `$1 $2` since `a bc` and `ab c` both concatenate to `abc` - you need to provide a separator to create unique keys from 2 values. That's probably why the OP commented that some of the data went missing." CreationDate="2019-08-02T05:56:26.510" UserId="133219" />
  <row Id="10391" PostId="5396" Score="0" Text="@Ed and that shows that my explanation wasn't redundant, it was insufficient. If I'd explained that I'm using the concatenation of `$1` and `$2`, they might have been able to work out what went wrong. Anyway, in their case `$1` is a fixed-length string, they only have `a bc` and `a b` style concatenation." CreationDate="2019-08-02T06:06:17.730" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="10392" PostId="5397" Score="0" Text="It should be reversed now." CreationDate="2019-08-02T06:11:02.000" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="10393" PostId="5395" Score="3" Text="@Sparhawk - sorry if I came one a bit strong in my response to your comment. I'm just utterly sick of posting trivial answers like `awk '{print $1+1}'` and that causing the &quot;possibly low quality&quot; tool to flag it as such for being code only and then some queue-jockey (not you) with no idea about the domain coming along and saying &quot;your answer could be greatly improved if you comment it...&quot; and then it initially getting downvotes from the other queue-jockeys. Meanwhile someone else writes an answer that's war-and-peace but complete nonsense and it doesn't get any negative responses." CreationDate="2019-08-02T06:11:33.007" UserId="133219" />
  <row Id="10394" PostId="5396" Score="1" Text="I'm just going to continue to assume some degree of intelligence and capability from the people we're trying to help, not re-document the things I think are easy to figure out after a glance at the existing documentation, and reply to questions when asked." CreationDate="2019-08-02T06:15:57.197" UserId="133219" />
  <row Id="10395" PostId="5397" Score="0" Text="@muru  Indeed it was reversed, thanks for checking back!" CreationDate="2019-08-02T06:25:37.510" UserId="281844" />
  <row Id="10396" PostId="5397" Score="0" Text="Don't worry, someone looks disliking you. Not your content, but you, in persona. Thus, he voted your posts down. These votes don't represent the quality of your posts. Thus, they will be soon deleted. Possible, that the mods will know, who did it." CreationDate="2019-08-02T20:51:23.583" UserId="52236" />
  <row Id="10397" PostId="5393" Score="0" Text="Parts of that kind of problem might be on topic on EE ?" CreationDate="2019-08-02T21:03:09.447" UserId="142027" />
  <row Id="10398" PostId="5397" Score="0" Text="@peterh See muru's post above, it wasn't just me, it was many of us, probably from the same account... Really doesn't look like it was &quot;personal&quot;, or it was personal against us all..." CreationDate="2019-08-02T21:26:09.963" UserId="281844" />
  <row Id="10399" PostId="5395" Score="3" Text="@EdMorton It did come across fairly aggressively (especially to cas), but that's okay. Also, I think it's a straw-man argument to suggest that the code from your answer is of similar complexity to the example here. I understand your argument, but this comparison does not support it IMO. Regardless, from your other comments, I realise that you feel your perspective is correct, so your point is made." CreationDate="2019-08-03T00:51:21.217" UserId="18887" />
  <row Id="10400" PostId="5397" Score="0" Text="@muru And me. It is fixed also. It was to &quot;punish&quot; people who voted to close questions on that day, I think. At the time, I reviewed my history, and had only one suspect when it happened," CreationDate="2019-08-03T02:40:24.983" UserId="138261" />
  <row Id="10401" PostId="5397" Score="0" Text="@RuiFRibeiro Ah yes that's a great explanation! I usually use the site on a phone. A couple days back I accessed it through the laptop, so I saw the queues including Close queue and I went through it. So I voted to close quite a few posts this time... Oh well, glad the system is working as it should!" CreationDate="2019-08-03T02:44:40.413" UserId="281844" />
  <row Id="10403" PostId="5395" Score="3" Text="@EdMorton I don't downvote answers without explanations, but i'm not likely to upvote them either.  and if i think it's a reasonable or good answer that could be greatly improved with an explanation, I'll sometimes leave a comment saying that." CreationDate="2019-08-04T00:55:39.610" UserId="7696" />
  <row Id="10404" PostId="5395" Score="4" Text="To me, the most important point of SE sites is to teach, to pass on knowledge and understanding (to enable people to figure out their *next* problem themselves), not to just give magic answers.  Explanations work towards that, answers without explanations undermine it and encourage a cargo-culting copy-and-paste-without-understanding use of answers." CreationDate="2019-08-04T00:56:59.330" UserId="7696" />
  <row Id="10405" PostId="5396" Score="8" Text="The comments in muru's awk script for that 3-column csv question are precisely the sort of thing that the OP (or some future visitor) might need to make the leap from a terse man page list of functions to being able to writing a script to achieve a goal.  It's a documented example of the kind of algorithmic thinking needed to use variables and functions and other language syntax elements to solve a problem." CreationDate="2019-08-04T01:08:30.060" UserId="7696" />
  <row Id="10406" PostId="5396" Score="4" Text="Also remember that many users here are not programmers, they're people with data they need to process - academics with genetic data files, users with accounting records or album collection catalogues or whatever. They may never learn enough to be &quot;real programmers&quot;, but they can learn how to think enough like a programmer to solve their current problem, and maybe some of their future problems....or, at least, enough to write a good question next time." CreationDate="2019-08-04T01:14:29.033" UserId="7696" />
  <row Id="10407" PostId="5396" Score="9" Text="sometimes all it takes is one well-explained answer to trigger a new level of understanding: &quot;aha! so THAT's how that works - I always wondered what that did&quot;." CreationDate="2019-08-04T01:15:57.500" UserId="7696" />
  <row Id="10409" PostId="5395" Score="1" Text="@cas I completely understand your opinion and completely and utterly disagree that the approach you advocate is the best way for people who want to learn to learn **from basic scripts** for the reasons I've already stated. After 40+ years programming including around 15 years teaching SW engineering I think I have a pretty good handle on it. As you'll see from https://stackoverflow.com/a/45420607/1745001 and many of my other answers, I do explain answers when necessary, it's just **not always necessary**. Everyone is welcome to upvote/downvote, accept or not as they see fit. Let's move on." CreationDate="2019-08-04T03:45:08.043" UserId="133219" />
  <row Id="10410" PostId="5393" Score="0" Text="@rackandboneman I think EE is too low level, it's more of a Computer Architecture kind of question." CreationDate="2019-08-04T12:07:09.217" UserId="364692" />
  <row Id="10411" PostId="5401" Score="1" Text="Related: https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/q/3565/117549" CreationDate="2019-08-05T03:42:22.443" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10412" PostId="5395" Score="3" Text="@EdMorton, you really should post your viewpoint as an answer here so that others can show their agreement on it." CreationDate="2019-08-05T07:30:45.073" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="10413" PostId="5397" Score="2" Text="@peterh Moderators do generally not know who votes in what way on individual questions and answers." CreationDate="2019-08-05T09:58:05.977" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10414" PostId="5397" Score="1" Text="@Kusalananda I suspected, if there is an automatical voting reversal, then the mods might get some extra information from the reversal script (essentially: &quot;X was serial downed, perpetrator: Y&quot;). No such thing exists?" CreationDate="2019-08-05T10:06:05.207" UserId="52236" />
  <row Id="10415" PostId="5397" Score="3" Text="@peterh We can see some aggregated stats (including the total number of reversed votes), but no details about votes on individual questions or answers. Also note that serial _up_voting is also reversed." CreationDate="2019-08-05T10:10:52.507" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10416" PostId="5395" Score="0" Text="@ikkachu thanks but actually I really just shouldn't engage in these discussions at all as no-ones going to change their behavior no matter what anyone says and I just end up feeling frustrated and annoyed at myself for having participated." CreationDate="2019-08-05T13:39:51.323" UserId="133219" />
  <row Id="10417" PostId="5395" Score="2" Text="@EdMorton, well, if you don't want to even offer an alternative to be voted on, and are &quot;utterly sick&quot; and &quot;feeling frustrated and annoyed&quot;, then I think it might not be a bad idea to take a break." CreationDate="2019-08-05T15:43:34.647" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="10418" PostId="5395" Score="0" Text="@iklkachu but I don't care about anyone's votes or opinions on this. I'm the one volunteering my time answering the questions so I'll answer them as I see fit. You're right, though, I am seriously considering deleting my account and stopping answering questions in these forums and going back to only helping people on usenet where you never hear anyone complaining about not getting C&amp;V for basic answers." CreationDate="2019-08-05T15:56:35.430" UserId="133219" />
  <row Id="10419" PostId="5403" Score="0" Text="one concern I had with those questions is that they may become irrelevant over time... But maybe this is not to much of a point." CreationDate="2019-08-05T18:05:17.277" UserId="240990" />
  <row Id="10420" PostId="5395" Score="3" Text="@EdMorton, well, you also removed the explanation I added to your answer linked to from this question. The addition of that explanation cost you nothing, but on the other hand, removing it must have taken at least some seconds. Since you took the trouble of removing it, I can only agree that you seem to care very little about others. (The potential readers of that question, that is, the ones who might wonder e.g. what the `&amp;` does in the second argument to `gsub`. And don't say it's easy to look up, special characters are notoriously hideous to search for in manuals.)" CreationDate="2019-08-05T18:44:13.777" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="10421" PostId="5395" Score="1" Text="@EdMorton, but since you do seem to care enough to comment on this, might I suggest using tab-completion on the usernames? Hitting `@`, `i` and tab should make it much easier to enter my nick correctly, and entering it correctly would have the advantage that it would actually ping me, which is pretty much the main point of using @ + username" CreationDate="2019-08-05T18:47:03.707" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="10422" PostId="5403" Score="1" Text="Yes, it _could_. But, seeing how various Unixes and derivatives OS are out there (e.g. kernel versions, driver versions, bootloaders), it could be a slow decay. Furthermore, the security updates are usually not there yet or even never will be for some cases, e.g. Spectre/Meltdown. As a result, IMHO, it is not a waste of DB. ;)" CreationDate="2019-08-05T18:49:13.080" UserId="159254" />
  <row Id="10423" PostId="5395" Score="1" Text="@ilkkachu As I believe I have said repeatedly - I don't add explanations to trivial code because I believe it is better for the reader to not have those explanations. You added an explanation that I did not want to be present in my answer and so I removed it from my answer. If I thought such an explanation would make it a better answer then I would have provided it myself. Thanks for the @i tab suggestion, I hadn't heard of that before and it is useful. wrt `I can only agree that you seem to care very little about others` - as you know, that's not what I said. I won't be responding further." CreationDate="2019-08-05T19:27:17.853" UserId="133219" />
  <row Id="10424" PostId="5395" Score="0" Text="@EdMorton, yes, _you_ didn't add the explanation, I did. Earlier, you said you didn't consider it _necessary_ to explain things you found trivial. I didn't see you say it would be _better_ not to include such, or your reasons why, so I could not have taken those into account. (I did see arguments for the opposite position above, though.) As you probably realized, the part you quoted was my interpretation of your actions, the reasoning is there right next to it." CreationDate="2019-08-05T19:36:30.573" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="10425" PostId="5395" Score="1" Text="@ilkkachu 1.This is a public place, not your private playground; you don't tell people to &quot;take a break&quot; if they don't like it. This also applies to other petulant regulars and mods (you know who you are). 2. the nick completion doesn't work in the mobile version of this site." CreationDate="2019-08-05T20:09:37.323" UserDisplayName="user313992" />
  <row Id="10426" PostId="5395" Score="2" Text="@UncleBilly, I didn't order them to take a break, I only suggested that it might be better to take a break than to continue something that one only causes frustration. As far as I know, people contribute on stackexchange because they want to, not because they have to. As a hobby, or something like that. And hobbies that cause frustration aren't very good hobbies. Now, I did honestly attempt to phrase it so that it wouldn't come out too bluntly, and I'm sorry to see that I failed." CreationDate="2019-08-05T20:24:51.927" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="10427" PostId="5395" Score="2" Text="@UncleBilly, As for tab completion, I suspected it might not work in all environments, but the point still stands: the ping system works better if people's nicks are written correctly, and actually bothering to write people's names correctly seems like the respectful thing to do." CreationDate="2019-08-05T20:27:25.313" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="10428" PostId="5399" Score="2" Text="I'm sorry, but I disagree with your interpretation of my answer. MMIO remapping is not something that a system administrator would configure by tuning kernel parameters, it's something that only a programmer would interact with. A Linux kernel programmer is a programmer. This is not about reading source code to understand the behavior of a program _in order to use this program_, but in order to _extend_ this program. It's a question from a programmer, not a question from a user." CreationDate="2019-08-05T20:51:15.110" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="10432" PostId="5406" Score="0" Text="THX, really good points! this (and your comment) helps me a lot to improve the question, I'll work on it to make it a less broad question :-) Cheers" CreationDate="2019-08-06T12:31:58.777" UserId="240990" />
  <row Id="10433" PostId="5402" Score="0" Text="&quot; it's often hard to know if what you're facing is a bug or a misconfigured system&quot; Exactly that, especially for casual users who have no idea about programming. Most of the time issues users have might be solved with simple config change, or can be explained with hardware limitations. Problem is when a user asks us to fix a bug (which not everyone can). Not a problem is when user asks us to troubleshoot or explain why behavior occurs.  Even if behavior is a bug, we can post an answer saying so  or if it's not reported - advise the user to report it" CreationDate="2019-08-10T00:46:01.213" UserId="85039" />
  <row Id="10434" PostId="5401" Score="1" Text="As with everything in life, it depends. I prefer [Gilles take on the issue](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/a/5404/41104), since it requires the user to understand the problem they are facing, but not necessarily how to fix it." CreationDate="2019-08-11T18:20:11.260" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="10435" PostId="5401" Score="0" Text="@Braiam yea, my question was a little bit like `my system is not working properly, how can I fix it...` this did not feel right for me, therefore I started this discussion and got plenty of aspects to take into account on these regards. Especially about posting more detailed information in the question." CreationDate="2019-08-11T18:30:58.867" UserId="240990" />
  <row Id="10436" PostId="5408" Score="0" Text="Oh boy, I messed up. The answer wasn't edited by you at all... &gt;_&lt;" CreationDate="2019-08-12T19:52:22.097" UserId="30851" />
  <row Id="10437" PostId="5408" Score="1" Text="Thank you for the post. &quot;All answers here are given for free and you can't force other people to change their style to yours.&quot; Of course! That's why I wanted to start an open dialogue." CreationDate="2019-08-13T01:27:12.330" UserId="18887" />
  <row Id="10438" PostId="5408" Score="6" Text="Please note that if others add things that are relevant and helpful to your post, and you insist on removing that, the mods will come to the defense of the editor. The objective here is to build a useful resource. If someone doesn't want their style to be changed, they should get a blog. Adding an explanation is a wonderful, helpful edit." CreationDate="2019-08-14T13:06:00.487" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10439" PostId="5409" Score="10" Text="Thank you for taking the time to come here and post such a calm and civil question instead of ranting! That is always appreciated :)" CreationDate="2019-08-15T14:05:46.987" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10440" PostId="5409" Score="5" Text="Ditto what terdon said!" CreationDate="2019-08-15T14:16:02.507" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10441" PostId="5408" Score="0" Text="Relevant and helpful is subject to opinion. Hence the entire voting system all around. Useful. Not useful. Or for questions: shows research effort, or not. If we expect questions to have research effort, why should answers have to spoon-feed down to the tiniest details? Is it helpful or overdoing and distracting? It's optional and up to the author to decide. Most answers assume prior knowledge in some way and they're plenty useful all the same. Not including the unasked-for beginner tutorial is a high level complaint, and there's better tutorials out there." CreationDate="2019-08-16T13:11:33.040" UserId="30851" />
  <row Id="10442" PostId="5408" Score="1" Text="Don't like it? Leave! Get a blog. Strong argument and somewhat disrespectful to those who make every effort to write correct/quality answers. Why not wiki? In a wiki there is one answer, everyone edits it together until it's just right, no votes, no nonsense points, no author shown (unless you dig the edit history). If someone wants to edit other people's answers, they should get a wiki. This is not a blog. But it's also not a wiki. It's its own thing, and answers have authors, and you can post your own. I rarely get edits and doubt others would enjoy if I started mass editing theirs." CreationDate="2019-08-16T13:15:53.810" UserId="30851" />
  <row Id="10443" PostId="5408" Score="0" Text="...edits as in those that come close to changing the nature of the answer (like adding so much text that half of it is yours). I'm naturally happy with edits that fix spelling, grammar, formatting, syntax errors, broken links, etc. but if you feel that an answer should've been written in a different fashion, I feel that at some point it should be posted as your own answer. I had one answer where someone thought it should be a shell script instead, and I'm glad they posted it as their own, and not attempt to edit mine." CreationDate="2019-08-16T13:31:34.997" UserId="30851" />
  <row Id="10444" PostId="5174" Score="0" Text="Hey, I was glad to learn ed, it saved me once when I was on an old DOS machine pre-MS-DOS editor and had to use edlin instead." CreationDate="2019-08-20T17:55:02.060" UserId="6167" />
  <row Id="10446" PostId="5414" Score="0" Text="To go from `wallah` to `voila`, you need to change all characters: `w`-&gt;`v`, `a`-&gt;`o`, `l`-&gt;`i`, `l`-&gt;`a`, `h` to a space _and_ remove the space that was after the old `h`. So that's 6 changes in total. I think that's how they count it." CreationDate="2019-08-27T16:31:48.357" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10447" PostId="5414" Score="1" Text="you missed the `l` in voila?" CreationDate="2019-08-27T16:33:17.030" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10448" PostId="5414" Score="0" Text="Argh, so I did. Never mind. I do think the space makes the difference though." CreationDate="2019-08-27T16:39:19.093" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10449" PostId="5415" Score="0" Text="I can see three questions from you on this site (Unix &amp; Linux). If any of them produced answers that miss the target in the way that you describe, you should leave a comment to that effect to the user answering. As far as I can see, you have not commented on any of the answers that you have received, nor accepted any of them." CreationDate="2019-08-27T21:34:07.560" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10450" PostId="5415" Score="0" Text="I feel your pain, but mind that for each user like you who puts lots of effort into solving their problem and formulating the question, there are ten novice users who just guess what the solution could be because they don't know any better. Answering their questions *as asked* will be like telling &quot;you are on a balloon&quot; to a balloon traveller asking where they are. Clearly there's less overall damage if someone helps such users, and then *maddens* you with an answer you don't like." CreationDate="2019-08-28T07:04:52.967" UserId="106927" />
  <row Id="10451" PostId="5415" Score="0" Text="@DmitryGrigoryev I don't mean that the question must be answered literally.  Telling your ballooner &quot;You're in a balloon 5,000ft over Glasgow, Scotland&quot; is both useful and answering the question as asked.  What I'm referring to are the barrage of responses like &quot;Why didn't you just take an airplane?  That would be faster&quot; that don't address the question you asked at all, only what the responder wants to imagine you asked." CreationDate="2019-08-28T14:25:58.920" UserId="247900" />
  <row Id="10452" PostId="5417" Score="2" Text="Presumably this is in relation to your [previous question, linked here](https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/537116/linux-securities)?" CreationDate="2019-08-28T18:54:08.057" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10453" PostId="5417" Score="0" Text="Big files can be uploaded to e.g. DropBox or Google Drive. And you can edit your question to include a **shared** link to the file." CreationDate="2019-08-28T19:13:46.133" UserId="144555" />
  <row Id="10454" PostId="5417" Score="3" Text="@KnudLarsen Note that when the image is eventually deleted from the shared drive/cloud storage, this would render the question unclear again and virtually useless for anyone with a possibly similar issue, or for that matter, a good or better answer (if, as in this case, the question _depends_ on the image for clarity). It would be better to use the image upload button in the editing UI and upload an image properly." CreationDate="2019-08-28T20:28:13.397" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10456" PostId="5408" Score="3" Text="&quot;spaceship like `/,&quot;,\ `&quot; made me spit tea over my keyboard. Thank you for that one!  But about that my-answer-belongs-to-me thing: Honestly, persons like Ed, who seem to be convinced that their opinion is worth more than the combined opinion of the community, may feel better at a platform that fits their mindset. Anyhow, besides your promotion for edit wars to defend the integrity of one's answers, you get an upvote, at least fr the *space ship*." CreationDate="2019-08-31T17:44:33.913" UserId="216004" />
  <row Id="10457" PostId="5395" Score="1" Text="Obviously, there is no consensus, just a very strong majority. But that will not convince people who &quot;know better than all the others&quot;. I myself appreciate people giving good explanations and even more people adding explanations to other people's answers -- especially to mine, if it was not good enough." CreationDate="2019-08-31T17:53:17.080" UserId="216004" />
  <row Id="10461" PostId="5420" Score="0" Text="[This](https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/207968/116858) may possibly be the answer that you refer to?" CreationDate="2019-09-10T09:42:26.070" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10462" PostId="5420" Score="0" Text="@Kusalananda No, but it did mention one of the 2 recommended ways which is helpful." CreationDate="2019-09-10T11:10:33.277" UserId="356799" />
  <row Id="10463" PostId="5421" Score="3" Text="Effectiveness of searching is why comments should almost never be removed (except some extreme cases, but still need great caution), regardless of whether converted to chat, or how many comments there are." CreationDate="2019-09-10T11:17:26.783" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="10464" PostId="5421" Score="2" Text="@Tim If comments are that useful, they should ideally be incorporated into the answer. Anyone with editing privileges may propose or make edits, and comments that have been dealt in this manner may be flagged as &quot;no longer needed&quot;." CreationDate="2019-09-10T18:02:20.647" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10465" PostId="5421" Score="0" Text="@Kusalananda The reality is: useful comments are  incorporated less often than not by anyone, and the view of usefulness varies differently from user to user." CreationDate="2019-09-10T18:39:30.807" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="10466" PostId="5421" Score="3" Text="@Tim If you find a useful comment, suggest an edit to the answer. If you don't, the comment could not have been that useful. If the edit is rolled back or denied in some other way, then the comment was not useful to someone else, and you may have to make a note of the comment in some other way.  Comments are ephemeral and are _supposed_ to be ephemeral." CreationDate="2019-09-10T18:42:50.380" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10467" PostId="5421" Score="0" Text="@K: (1) Usefullness is very subjective. Even when  I don't see a comment useful today, probably due to my ignorance, I might change my mind when I revisit it in the future. I don't think I am alone. Denying access to a comment by removing it kills the possibility of revisiting. (2) It can be difficult to sell the point of incorporating comments into replies to  many users,  per their familiarity with the policies, and willingness to comply." CreationDate="2019-09-10T18:54:33.983" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="10470" PostId="5421" Score="0" Text="@Kusalananda  This profile says better than I do: https://stackoverflow.com/users/388520/zwol" CreationDate="2019-09-17T14:23:15.350" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="10471" PostId="5423" Score="0" Text="Not knowing enough about this, I found a Meta.SE post that might help: https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/102392/307535" CreationDate="2019-09-17T23:08:46.117" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10472" PostId="5423" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller Thanks. I didn't even know about the OpenID. Now I see in &quot;My logins&quot; that there's even my Facebook associated and that moreover I've just used it to login, which is completely baffling. All the tag points are still missing." CreationDate="2019-09-18T02:15:38.333" UserDisplayName="user147505" />
  <row Id="10473" PostId="5423" Score="0" Text="I'm honestly not quite sure what I can do to help your situation. Have your tags &amp; badges all returned to normal? If not, I'm going to suggest that we escalate to a Community Manager, as they'd have more visibility and access to repair what's left." CreationDate="2019-09-23T13:41:54.977" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10474" PostId="5423" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller I think a few badges are still missing, eg. a golden one for an answer, which I remember clearly. The tags came back in all extent as far as I can see. I don't really care about what's missing now, but I think you should escalate as this is an evident bug. If it were me to do the investigation, I'd take my old data from a backup and carry out the same operation on a test environment. Then compare." CreationDate="2019-09-23T13:52:45.450" UserDisplayName="user147505" />
  <row Id="10475" PostId="5423" Score="0" Text="I've sent a note to the Community Team regarding your situation. I'd expect them to follow up with you directly, since it appears (so far) to be unique to your situation. The auto-responder to my note said &quot;Please allow for 2 or 3 days to handle this issue&quot;, although since it's an unusual issue, I'd allow for extra time for them to research it." CreationDate="2019-09-23T13:56:45.460" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10476" PostId="5423" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller Ok, thanks." CreationDate="2019-09-23T13:59:35.197" UserDisplayName="user147505" />
  <row Id="10477" PostId="5424" Score="0" Text="Thanks. This is clear. But there should be some info that changing e-mail to an already registered one IS A MERGE. Otherwise it should not be possible. Just a warning and a yes/no dialogue would be enough." CreationDate="2019-09-23T20:03:38.163" UserDisplayName="user147505" />
  <row Id="10481" PostId="5427" Score="0" Text="Interesting...in the case from which my question arose, this did not happen. But it's all good; again, my thanks." CreationDate="2019-10-10T02:35:12.477" UserId="363044" />
  <row Id="10482" PostId="5429" Score="0" Text="So now I have no way of removing the flag because the post was deleted?  I will not be able to flag anything in the future, unless that is resolved." CreationDate="2019-10-11T09:16:37.143" UserId="364705" />
  <row Id="10483" PostId="5430" Score="0" Text="Any idea on how to remove a flag from a post that was deleted?" CreationDate="2019-10-11T09:38:45.133" UserId="364705" />
  <row Id="10484" PostId="5429" Score="1" Text="@markgraf As far as I can see, you are not currently banned from flagging. You will receive a _warning_ when you submit your future flags, but they should stop showing if those are not also declined." CreationDate="2019-10-11T10:40:09.210" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10485" PostId="5430" Score="0" Text="@markgraf As long as your future flags are not also declined, there should be nothing to worry about. You're not currently banned from flagging posts." CreationDate="2019-10-11T10:41:50.907" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10486" PostId="5430" Score="0" Text="I tried flagging a post and couldn't.  That's how I noticed the problem.  I hope I do not need to gain 10k rep in order to unflag the deleted post :-) ..." CreationDate="2019-10-11T11:06:28.417" UserId="364705" />
  <row Id="10487" PostId="5430" Score="1" Text="@markgraf Your profile currently tells me that you are &quot;Not banned from flagging&quot; and that you are &quot;Warned when flagging&quot;. A single declined flag will _not_ ban you from flagging. Are you misinterpreting the warning as a ban?" CreationDate="2019-10-11T13:11:28.563" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10488" PostId="5430" Score="0" Text="Maybe?  I'm redirected to a review page with previous flags.  One helpful, one rejected.  But I don't see the third flag, I wanted to make.  I'll doublecheck the next time I see something flag-worthy." CreationDate="2019-10-11T13:16:28.813" UserId="364705" />
  <row Id="10489" PostId="5431" Score="7" Text="I was going to say that [tag:source] obviously relates to sourcing of dot-scripts using `source` (in shells that support it) or the `.` (dot) utility, but the tag text is in conflict with that." CreationDate="2019-10-11T15:07:36.990" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10490" PostId="5431" Score="0" Text="@Kusalananda it certainly is in conflict with that. Also, I am not sure every built-in of a shell deserves its own tag. Anyway, the questions on [tag:source] appear to be ... mixed (some synonymous with your interpretation, some with [tag:source-code])." CreationDate="2019-10-11T15:19:58.607" UserId="5462" />
  <row Id="10491" PostId="5431" Score="9" Text="Perhaps [tag:source] should be split to a new [tag:source-command] and [tag:source-code]" CreationDate="2019-10-11T15:26:04.860" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="10494" PostId="5431" Score="0" Text="This is a good question. I had created source-command to distinguish those questions. Looking at existing tags, we have several that are bash builtins. There's also the shell-builtin tag. Do we want *all* shell builtins to roll up to their corresponding shell tag (zsh/bash/etc)?" CreationDate="2019-10-14T17:03:24.270" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10496" PostId="5433" Score="3" Text="I'm in favor of making [tag:source-code] the main tag with an alias of [tag:source]. On reflection, I don't see a big need for tags for shell built-ins, such as soure-command (or dot-command). I'd rather tag them with [tag:shell] or the shell in use." CreationDate="2019-10-15T01:21:27.503" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10500" PostId="5427" Score="0" Text="@ajgringo619 So, yes, bounties should expire after 7 days. However, some sites have a meta post with a [List of bounties with no deadline](https://languagelearning.meta.stackexchange.com/q/629/800). The downside of that approach is that it is hard to find out about these bounties if that post is not [meta-tag:featured] on meta." CreationDate="2019-10-16T18:24:26.270" UserId="158988" />
  <row Id="10501" PostId="5427" Score="0" Text="I should have clarified my post. The bounty *was* awarded, just not the way it was explained to me." CreationDate="2019-10-16T18:25:27.603" UserId="363044" />
  <row Id="10502" PostId="5427" Score="0" Text="@ajgringo619 If it's [this question](https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/515581/could-not-load-the-qt-platform-plugin-xcb), it looks to me like the OP may have manually awarded the bounty to a specific answer before the grace period expired." CreationDate="2019-10-16T18:35:37.103" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10503" PostId="5427" Score="0" Text="That's possible; thanks again." CreationDate="2019-10-16T18:37:09.273" UserId="363044" />
  <row Id="10504" PostId="5396" Score="0" Text="@cas 100%. The point of an answer is to help the OP and if they are a noob then answer at that level with appropriate detail but don't &quot;baby-step&quot; someone who obviously knows the tools and just needs a prod in the right direction. What really comes across to me reading the comments on this page is that one OP's &quot;AHA!&quot; is another's &quot;So what?&quot;. Pitch the degree of explanation to OP's apparent level of understanding." CreationDate="2019-10-16T20:18:35.570" UserId="217629" />
  <row Id="10505" PostId="5396" Score="1" Text="@bu5hman   I write my answers not only for the OP, but also for anyone else who reads my answer.  If the OP thinks &quot;so what?&quot; or worse, I don't care - the &quot;price&quot; of them getting an answer is that they may get some explanations spelling out the bleeding obvious.  And i write comments (in code and text) that address common obstacles to understanding (e.g. i'll usually put a comment in perl code that uses arrays mentioning that, unlike awk, perl arrays start from zero)" CreationDate="2019-10-17T00:53:30.887" UserId="7696" />
  <row Id="10506" PostId="5396" Score="0" Text="Fair enough. If you are doing what makes you satisfied then that's great. The only point I intended to make was that the OP was the one who came for help and it is important to communicate with them. Effective communication happens at the OP's level of understanding. Nuff said from me." CreationDate="2019-10-17T15:11:18.573" UserId="217629" />
  <row Id="10507" PostId="5435" Score="3" Text="Because not all paths are opened due to content concerns I guess. All migration paths being open might also end up with users on other sites having to learn the rules of the target site to avoid useless migration and closing effort. Moderators can migrate anywhere (including to and from child metas), but it's not always worth it" CreationDate="2019-10-17T20:34:52.033" UserDisplayName="user149622" />
  <row Id="10510" PostId="3279" Score="0" Text="the `mod()` function is a take on posix xrat `math(){ return &quot;$((!$*))&quot;;}` example... one which works to do stuff like `while IFS=${IFS#*[&quot;$ops&quot;] math &quot;$*&quot;; do stuff; done` and whatnot... i even worked that out once upon a time to fix `busybox` math somewhere here ... would i could find it now... and no freaky `(`+ to depths uncertain... if only we could function more continuosly... `if ! math() until ! IFS=$? continue ` blech... i wish i had a computer." CreationDate="2019-10-23T08:58:25.237" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="10511" PostId="5437" Score="0" Text="Given the low rate of questions (25 as of today) and the &quot;rather mixed&quot; use, I'd highly encourage anyone listening to include good cross-reference guidance in the tag excerpts. If we end up splitting every &quot;fingerprint&quot; usage to separate tags, it might be worth a disambiguation tag excerpt on &quot;fingerprint&quot; to point the way to the correct tags." CreationDate="2019-10-23T12:48:18.407" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10514" PostId="5439" Score="1" Text="I like this, but maybe fingerprint-authentication instead of biometric-fingerprint" CreationDate="2019-10-27T17:33:04.387" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="10515" PostId="5439" Score="0" Text="@muru That's the word I was looking for! Incorporated, thanks." CreationDate="2019-10-27T17:36:23.677" UserId="327020" />
  <row Id="10517" PostId="5442" Score="6" Text="If you feel you need to delete an answer because it's not salvageable, just delete it and forget about it.  High-rep users knows everyone makes mistakes. It's not a big deal.  It's normal. _Defacing_ a deleted answer (to somehow &quot;hide it&quot;) is however just a way of bringing attention to it, and it's also childish." CreationDate="2019-10-31T20:14:42.997" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10518" PostId="5441" Score="6" Text="*I'm embarrassed of some of them, sometimes for being hasty about answering and after seconds or minutes I realize that I'm (very) wrong.*: that happens to absolutely _everyone_! it has certainly happened to me often enough. Don't worry about it, we all make mistakes. That you realized your mistake and deleted it just makes you look even better." CreationDate="2019-10-31T22:29:17.687" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10519" PostId="5441" Score="0" Text="__1__ You already answered your own Q: they're not deleted so that mods and high rep users can see them, and feel important because of this privilege. This is called &quot;gamification&quot;: it drives &quot;user engagement&quot;, and consequently the profits of the site's owners. __2__ More to the point, while you can't delete them, you probably can _anonymize_ some of your posts, so they be dissociated from your account, but I don't know the exact procedure. The mods know it but as you see, they wouldn't tell you (see point 1 ;-)). Try opening a ticket from the &quot;Contact&quot; link near the left bottom of any page." CreationDate="2019-11-02T19:08:57.467" UserDisplayName="user313992" />
  <row Id="10520" PostId="5443" Score="1" Text="Since this is general SE functionality, you might need to ask/answer on the main Meta somewhere near https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/327816/307535" CreationDate="2019-11-03T15:54:13.703" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10521" PostId="5443" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller Thanks, I migrated it to https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/337459/262759" CreationDate="2019-11-03T16:01:31.533" UserId="101324" />
  <row Id="10522" PostId="5441" Score="3" Text="I answered in the spirit of &quot;hasty or wrong answers&quot; and over-reacting. Disassociation is discussed [here](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/96732/how-do-i-remove-my-name-from-a-post-in-accordance-with-cc-by-sa-4-0), and starts just like mosvy said: with the Contact link at the bottom of that post's page. While deleting wrong or hasty posts is the right thing to do, I'll say that seeing red boxes of deleted posts brings me zero joy." CreationDate="2019-11-04T03:05:47.087" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10523" PostId="5441" Score="1" Text="@mosvy, seeing all the low-quality crap and the spam answers isn't much to make one feel privileged, you know." CreationDate="2019-11-04T19:04:35.337" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="10524" PostId="5442" Score="0" Text="@Kusalananda, defacing how? What I've done if I e.g. completely misread a question was to delete the answer and edit it to say that I misread the question. That makes it immediately obvious why it was deleted to anyone who happens to see it, and it takes less screen space too. Anyone who actually wants, can still see the edit history, and editing a deleted answer shouldn't be visible to anyone unless they look for it (right?) so it's not that it brings any attention either. I don't see the harm in doing that." CreationDate="2019-11-04T19:07:56.857" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="10525" PostId="5442" Score="0" Text="@ilkkachu By &quot;defacing&quot; I meant _replace the whole answer with gibberish_, which is sometimes done to answer as well as questions that a user don't want others to see.  I also sometimes add a line in my answers that I delete stating the reasoning behind the deletion. That is not anything like defacing the answer." CreationDate="2019-11-04T19:28:21.787" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10526" PostId="5442" Score="0" Text="@Kusalananda, actually I did mean replacing the whole answer. :) not with gibberish, of course, but e.g. https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/408147/170373" CreationDate="2019-11-04T20:09:22.763" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="10527" PostId="5442" Score="0" Text="@ilkkachu Ok, I meant more like [this](https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/546714/putting-the-output-into-a-table/546716#546716)." CreationDate="2019-11-04T20:22:50.767" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10528" PostId="5437" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller is +6/-0 on the top answer enough for a consensus?" CreationDate="2019-11-05T05:44:22.847" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="10530" PostId="5445" Score="0" Text="Yes! It's a pity this was not done last year when the synonym was created. https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4844/alias-macos-to-os-x" CreationDate="2019-11-10T07:51:28.857" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10531" PostId="5445" Score="0" Text="Yes, I messed up there. I think only mods can flip a synonym around." CreationDate="2019-11-10T17:40:19.573" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="10532" PostId="5445" Score="0" Text="Is there a consensus that last years modifications involving these tags got the synonyms reversed?" CreationDate="2019-11-10T18:18:26.080" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10533" PostId="5437" Score="0" Text="Seems pretty undisputed to me. Do you need moderator intervention for any of this? I'm happy to help, it's just that I don't think I'm needed (retagging questions and updating tag wiki/excerpts is a 5k privilege, I think)." CreationDate="2019-11-10T19:43:36.420" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10534" PostId="5445" Score="0" Text="@Kusalananda, well the votes on the answers to that last meta question seem to favor [tag:macos] being the main tag, and well, rightly so." CreationDate="2019-11-10T20:16:00.363" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="10536" PostId="5445" Score="2" Text="I have now swapped the tags so that [tag:osx] is a synonym for [tag:macos]." CreationDate="2019-11-10T20:42:22.227" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10537" PostId="5446" Score="0" Text="(The &quot;git&quot; in the title being an intentional [&quot;dialectal variant of 'get'&quot;](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/git))." CreationDate="2019-11-18T20:30:12.970" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10538" PostId="5446" Score="0" Text="I wonder if the shell and tools are in any way _different_ from, say, the ordinary `bash` shell and GNU toolset? If so, it may make sense to have a separate tag. It may also be a reason to have a separate `gitbash` tag if there is something _else_ peculiar about the actual environment that &quot;Git Bash&quot; gives you that means that running everyday user tasks would be different from doing them on any other GNU system. WSL is different from this in that it's a &quot;complete system&quot; (AFAIK) with packages and whatnot, as is Cygwin." CreationDate="2019-11-18T21:04:16.573" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10539" PostId="5447" Score="2" Text="Will the users who ask about this topic be familiar with the term &quot;msys&quot;? Is it a commonly used term?" CreationDate="2019-11-19T09:23:35.157" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10540" PostId="5362" Score="4" Text="@forest You misinterpreted the picture. That's not a tank, that's a cargo/passenger vehicle designed to go though swamps. If anything, it's a cabriolet: note the roof is made of waterproof fabric instead of steel." CreationDate="2019-11-19T09:24:30.300" UserId="106927" />
  <row Id="10541" PostId="5447" Score="1" Text="@terdon not sure about that. It's like Ubuntu and Linux a bit - people might have heard of Ubuntu but have no idea what a Linux is. But inasmuch as any peculiarities of the platform necessitate the use of a tag, msys is the platform. A synonym should be enough, I think." CreationDate="2019-11-19T11:12:41.213" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="10542" PostId="5447" Score="2" Text="Yeah, I don't know the first thing about any of these either. I'm just thinking we should make sure the tag name is something the average user would think of. And, since I don't know anything about this thing, I can't judge what that would be :)" CreationDate="2019-11-19T11:17:36.590" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10543" PostId="5362" Score="0" Text="@DmitryGrigoryev I'll just call it an Ironclad..." CreationDate="2019-11-19T11:18:16.257" UserId="277264" />
  <row Id="10544" PostId="5447" Score="5" Text="@terdon isn’t the whole point of synonyms that users can use them without thinking too much, and questions will still be categorised appropriately? This case is somewhat complicated because it’s the same underlying technology, but Git Bash users are largely unaware they’re using MSYS." CreationDate="2019-11-19T13:54:24.133" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="10545" PostId="5448" Score="1" Text="Note, though, that it's _very difficult_ to have a two-way conversation with moderators through text snippets attached to flags." CreationDate="2019-11-19T14:38:15.600" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10546" PostId="5448" Score="0" Text="Excellent point; I had that thought but it didn't escape my fingers. Editing it in." CreationDate="2019-11-19T14:38:44.583" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10547" PostId="5446" Score="0" Text="The differences b/w native and this version are discussed here - https://stackoverflow.com/questions/45034549/difference-between-git-gui-git-bash-git-cmd" CreationDate="2019-11-20T01:38:15.540" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="10548" PostId="5449" Score="3" Text="AFAIK, that change is in effect on U&amp;L now." CreationDate="2019-11-21T07:04:47.007" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10549" PostId="5449" Score="1" Text="People have also retroactively been awarded new badges, especially mortarboard, based on the recalculation of their rep gains." CreationDate="2019-11-21T13:09:52.363" UserId="158988" />
  <row Id="10550" PostId="5453" Score="0" Text="Relating https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4806/117549" CreationDate="2019-11-30T14:55:57.500" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10551" PostId="5454" Score="0" Text="I guess you are right. But since I'm a Linux user, and therefore I have more affinity with the Linux community, I prefer to share my knowledge with Linux users that have to deal with the Windows world." CreationDate="2019-11-30T16:22:38.103" UserId="338177" />
  <row Id="10552" PostId="5454" Score="11" Text="@guillermochamorro actually, [su] isn't Windows only. There's a lot of *nix there as well. Hell, I have more than 40k rep there and I don't know anything about Windows. It's precisely because SU is OS-agnostic that I think this would be better there. That's where I'd expect to find Linux users who need to deal with the Windows world." CreationDate="2019-11-30T16:39:58.517" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10553" PostId="5454" Score="0" Text="I solved it posting in SU the method for Windows, and in U&amp;L the variant exclusively for Linux distros. Thanks!" CreationDate="2019-12-01T00:37:09.190" UserId="338177" />
  <row Id="10554" PostId="4641" Score="0" Text="The Kali Linux &quot;reference question&quot; that you linked in the first sentence of your answer was migrated from the regular Unix &amp; Linux Q&amp;A site to Unix &amp; Linux Meta a few months ago. The result of this migration is that some questions that were initially closed as duplicates of the &quot;reference question&quot; are now closed as duplicates of a question that was migrated to Meta. Is this OK? Can we now close new questions as duplicates of the same reference question even though it has been migrated to Meta? If this is too broad to answer in a comment should I ask a new question on Meta?" CreationDate="2019-12-03T06:43:22.997" UserId="38285" />
  <row Id="10557" PostId="4641" Score="0" Text="@karel Please don't close questions as duplicates anymore. If a Kali question is unanswerable, close it as applicable (usually as unclear) and link to https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5360/why-is-kali-linux-so-hard-to-set-up-why-wont-people-help-me . See also https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5316/why-i-closed-the-why-is-kali-so-hard-question" CreationDate="2019-12-03T09:52:56.263" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="10560" PostId="4641" Score="1" Text="@karel I don't have the time to look at it closely. If you think your answer is worth having on the site, we could reopen this question or you could ask a new question and self-answer it. I recommend that you ask around in [chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/26)." CreationDate="2019-12-03T16:29:11.713" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="10561" PostId="4641" Score="0" Text="Asking around in chat is good advice. I will do that." CreationDate="2019-12-03T16:43:38.300" UserId="38285" />
  <row Id="10562" PostId="5178" Score="0" Text="I also sensed that zealous urge to close question hyper–quickly which is actually  quite offensive to the original posters a lot of times." CreationDate="2019-12-09T22:41:54.640" UserId="263494" />
  <row Id="10563" PostId="5180" Score="0" Text="@Jesse_b &quot;easily be re-opened&quot; ? let's see how my case plays out. I bet you it is not done easily! what's your wager Jesse_b ?  You call a 3% reopen rate &quot;EASY&quot; ? You must be joking!" CreationDate="2019-12-09T22:43:35.620" UserId="263494" />
  <row Id="10564" PostId="5395" Score="0" Text="There is no consensus at all. But it almost seems that you want to suppress solutions which are code–only. That is counterproductive and will chase the contributors away, including myself. Already we have enough interference while redacting and you get it all for free." CreationDate="2019-12-09T22:49:51.553" UserId="263494" />
  <row Id="10565" PostId="5180" Score="0" Text="@dotbit: It is easy as long as OP is willing to actually edit the question to address the close reason.  In the overwhelming majority of cases however it seems as though the original poster never revisits the question, never addresses concerns, and certainly never edits the question to be eligible for reopen." CreationDate="2019-12-09T23:33:05.847" UserId="237982" />
  <row Id="10566" PostId="4885" Score="0" Text="&quot;There's no need for duplicate questions because old questions don't expire.&quot; That is clearly wrong, @Michael Mrozek. In reality, if the same issue is being addressed in 2 distinct wordings, it will be helpful to more people. If the older question is worded more inadequately, the better worded question is being suppressed to the detriment of everybody. I wonder whether you are aware of how this site is really being utilized by people." CreationDate="2019-12-09T23:36:46.357" UserId="263494" />
  <row Id="10567" PostId="2823" Score="0" Text="the closing activities are quite a disgrace sometimes! The OP is correct!" CreationDate="2019-12-09T23:38:21.810" UserId="263494" />
  <row Id="10568" PostId="5180" Score="0" Text="funny you say that. Often times, whatever an OP writes, it is never ever good enough for the higher-ups. just like on the workplace except you get no money here." CreationDate="2019-12-09T23:55:09.417" UserId="263494" />
  <row Id="10569" PostId="5180" Score="0" Text="look at it this way, @Jesse_b : if 97% of valued contributors decline to follow orders to redact their content, but rather quit the site, they cannot all be wrong. I fully respect their decision to quit haggling and argueing and antagonizing and just work elsewhere, maybe in a proper wiki. Maybe you will rethink when the rejection rate is 100% - or maybe not." CreationDate="2019-12-10T00:19:29.493" UserId="263494" />
  <row Id="10570" PostId="5180" Score="0" Text="@dotbit You are grossly misusing statistics.  I don't even know where you are getting them but I'll believe that 97% of closed questions don't get reopened but that doesn't mean 97% of questions get closed.  Very few questions actually get closed.  I believe that 97% of closed questions never get reopened because they are usually so bad initially that it is not salvageable." CreationDate="2019-12-10T00:23:12.817" UserId="237982" />
  <row Id="10571" PostId="5180" Score="0" Text="I am rather inclined to trust the 97% than you, to be honest." CreationDate="2019-12-10T02:10:42.227" UserId="263494" />
  <row Id="10572" PostId="5458" Score="4" Text="1) I was not given anything of &quot;what [I] need&quot;. The question was not mine. (2) I could have edited the post, although some answerers are a bit defensive about this. However, these edits would still be predicated on whether there is a consensus… which is the point of this meta-question. (3) I did not suppress the answer. I didn't flag it for deletion, nor would that be deserved. Nor did I downvote (although five others did). (4) The comment thread is deleted, but I made a mild suggestion to clarify, supported by cas, and the answerer responded aggressively. I have not been unduly antagonistic." CreationDate="2019-12-10T02:27:06.893" UserId="18887" />
  <row Id="10573" PostId="4885" Score="1" Text="@dotbit Not sure what you mean, but the &quot;better worded question&quot; isn't gone, it's just closed. People can still find it, and when they do it will point them at the one central place for all the answers to that problem" CreationDate="2019-12-10T03:20:22.313" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="10574" PostId="5459" Score="0" Text="Related: [Can we protect an answer from spam comments?](//meta.stackexchange.com/q/296089) [Should we really allow thank you comments?](//meta.stackexchange.com/q/309715)" CreationDate="2019-12-10T07:41:16.647" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10575" PostId="5459" Score="6" Text="Could you please [edit] your question and explain exactly what you're referring to? Is this about thank you comments? About answers posted only to say thanks? About thanks in the question body? All this hyperbole about &quot;Ebola&quot; and &quot;crime&quot; makes it very hard to understand what you actually want." CreationDate="2019-12-10T09:05:09.127" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10576" PostId="5459" Score="0" Text="it is about heartfelt gratitude way beyond a &quot;thanks, dude&quot; post." CreationDate="2019-12-10T10:37:19.350" UserId="263494" />
  <row Id="10577" PostId="4885" Score="0" Text="But people cannot find the OP following the original link, which gets redirected. That is unfriendly." CreationDate="2019-12-10T10:38:48.180" UserId="263494" />
  <row Id="10578" PostId="5460" Score="1" Text="... and the others cannot be criticized if they quit and never look back. They make up the 97% of unsuccessfull reopenings from the published stats." CreationDate="2019-12-10T10:41:03.643" UserId="263494" />
  <row Id="10580" PostId="5462" Score="0" Text="`try logging out first` – Wow. I have never ever noticed this is how it works. Not even when my reputation was not high enough (or on sites where it's not high enough). I admit I originally voted the question down, but now I understand the OP and I've just changed my vote. Lesson learned. – `Now I notice how the site behaved, I am really weirded out by it` – Same here." CreationDate="2019-12-10T14:58:03.197" UserId="108618" />
  <row Id="10581" PostId="5455" Score="1" Text="What is the solution that was suppressed? You posted a novel solution to the question linked to from your duplicate question.  That answer is not &quot;suppressed&quot;  in any way. In fact, had it been an answer to your original duplicated question, less people might have the chance to see it.  Now there are actually (at least) two venues for users to find your answer. By reopening your post, there will be two separate questions with two separate sets of answers. Visitors to your question would not immediately find the other set of answers and vice versa." CreationDate="2019-12-10T18:29:15.247" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10582" PostId="5457" Score="0" Text="This question was about polls, which are no longer available on SE. Other votes and flags on SE can be retracted, with some limitations — for example an upvote or downvote on a question or answer is “locked in” after a few hours, and can only be reversed if the post is edited." CreationDate="2019-12-11T14:07:53.970" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="10583" PostId="5459" Score="1" Text="Related: [Lots of surprising down votes to new users](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4988/80216#4991) — ‘‘semi-hostile edits expunging politeness from posts’’ — ‘‘Stack Exchange isn’t meant to be a chat site or a forum.’’" CreationDate="2019-12-12T00:36:32.907" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="10585" PostId="5462" Score="0" Text="Why is this weird? The whole idea of closing as a dupe is because the question has been asked and the answers can be found on the dupe. So automatically redirecting users to the dupe seems like the best way of helping them find an answer. Why send them to the closed one where they'd need to click on the dupe link before finding their answer?" CreationDate="2019-12-12T09:25:07.027" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10586" PostId="5462" Score="0" Text="@terdon Stephen Kitt was also confused about this in Chat. Your comment is incomplete: I'm a (logged-in) user, and I'm not automatically redirected. I don't propose any weird workaround for the U&amp;L site, just to acknowledge it and extend some sympathy in individual cases. The sentence you pick up on is a personal opinion; that has some relevance to the asker because they have specifically complained about my involvement. Otherwise it's more on-topic for Meta.SE. But e.g. I'm weirded out if I use the &quot;share link&quot; feature on that question, even now, it silently redirects me to the other one." CreationDate="2019-12-12T11:26:34.237" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="10587" PostId="5462" Score="0" Text="@sourcejedi yes, but isn't that a good thing? Why should it send you to a closed duplicate instead of the place where you can find your answer? If you're logged in, you presumably know something about the site and can find your way to the dupe. But for people coming in from search engines, sending them to the closed one would be a waste of time. Hence the redirect" CreationDate="2019-12-12T11:30:31.477" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10588" PostId="5462" Score="0" Text="@terdon as discussed in chat, it's a tradeoff (IIRC, the words &quot;conflict of interest&quot; were used).  You haven't answered my second sentence; it actually tends to send *me* to a closed duplicate, because I'm logged in (and because I have some privilege set in my profile, at least according to some comments). This makes your question rather unclear :-)." CreationDate="2019-12-12T11:36:44.320" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="10589" PostId="5462" Score="0" Text="@sourcejedi sorry, but I don't understand. What second sentence? As I said before, if you are logged in, you are sent to the original. If you are not, for example if you are coming from a search engine, then you are sent to the dupe target. This all seems like a very good idea to me. What would be the point of sending users to the dupe instead of the target?" CreationDate="2019-12-12T11:38:43.550" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10590" PostId="5462" Score="0" Text="@terdon Are you saying logged in users don't use search engines?" CreationDate="2019-12-12T11:39:28.943" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="10591" PostId="5462" Score="0" Text="What? No, of course not. I am saying that the vast majority of visitors to the site are not logged in and have simply run a search on a search engine. Those visitors are then immediately redirected to the dupe target. So they find their answer directly. Logged in users, whether they come from search engines or not, are assumed to know the system a bit better and understand what duplicates are, so are shown the original. This all seems like a very, very good and intelligent compromise to me. I don't see why it's a problem." CreationDate="2019-12-12T11:41:40.103" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10592" PostId="5462" Score="0" Text="@terdon Sorry. [My last comment or so was out of bounds, I don't mind if you scrap it.] You're clearly inviting me to expand my answer, but I wasn't motivated to write a formal argument. I don't see it as a big policy dilemma for U&amp;L, and I'm not inspired to write a &quot;bug report&quot; for Meta.SE." CreationDate="2019-12-12T13:10:35.737" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="10593" PostId="5462" Score="0" Text="@sourcejedi fair enough. I was just trying to understand why this would be a bad thing." CreationDate="2019-12-12T13:18:27.710" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10594" PostId="5462" Score="0" Text="@terdon In open source software, I see various places where clever compromises are used or could be used. Sometimes that's &quot;too clever for your own good&quot;. Complexity, surprise, breaking models in a user's mind or architectural models, they make a tradeoff. I'd love to see arguments for or against this website behaviour being compliant with Roy Fielding's REST :-). (Whether I understand them or not. The &quot;semantic web&quot; people go a level of abstraction beyond my comprehension)." CreationDate="2019-12-12T13:37:09.530" UserId="29483" />
  <row Id="10595" PostId="5465" Score="0" Text="Oh I do appreciate the new hat though. If you take back the badges can I still keep the hat?" CreationDate="2019-12-13T03:48:46.850" UserId="200094" />
  <row Id="10597" PostId="5466" Score="1" Text="One small correction, the 7 badges were gone this morning." CreationDate="2019-12-13T11:29:47.620" UserId="200094" />
  <row Id="10598" PostId="5466" Score="0" Text="@WinEunuuchs2Unix The badges could have been given to you, then deleted, during the bug fixing that StackExchange were doing. What I meant was that you can't give back badges that you gain ordinarily. If you were never _supposed_ to have those badges, then they were obviously given due to some mishap, which was later corrected." CreationDate="2019-12-13T12:20:25.973" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10599" PostId="5460" Score="1" Text="New users can comment on their own posts, and answers to their questions, with no reputation requirement; so there are instances where users can comment on an answer when they can’t upvote it (but they can always accept one of the answers)." CreationDate="2019-12-16T12:53:41.200" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="10600" PostId="5180" Score="0" Text="@Jesse_b This comment is unrelated to the above; I’m just putting it here so you will see it, and not too many other people. — [David Eichhorn](https://unix.stackexchange.com/users/387094/david-eichhorn) ***can’t*** post [this](https://unix.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/320055) as an answer, because [the question](https://unix.stackexchange.com/q/231286/80216) is closed." CreationDate="2019-12-20T03:02:59.000" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="10601" PostId="5468" Score="0" Text="I could have created the answer, and then deleted my question. You could have taken my material and put it as an answer on my behalf. You could have closed, and I would have converted into a question with self-answer. Even as duplicate it would have allowed me to get the rep to answer the original question and eventually delete the duplicate." CreationDate="2019-12-20T10:34:31.573" UserId="109380" />
  <row Id="10602" PostId="5468" Score="2" Text="@RetoHöhener how would you have created the answer? Your question would just attract downvotes, no upvotes. It was only ever going to lose you rep, not gain you any. [cont]" CreationDate="2019-12-20T10:37:31.017" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10603" PostId="5468" Score="2" Text="I could have posted your answer as mine, yes, but would you really have wanted me to do that? I can do so if you like, I could post it as a community wiki (CW) and get no credit for it. Although, to be honest, the only new thing in your answer as far as I can tell is about how to configure a specific windows scp client. The question doesn't focus on winscp so I don't know how relevant that is. The rest of your points have already been made by other answers. But sure, if you want me to, I can post your answer as CW." CreationDate="2019-12-20T10:37:47.170" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10604" PostId="5468" Score="2" Text="Finally, if you want to convert it into a question, go for it! My deleting it doesn't make that any harder to do. If you feel a self-answered question, one that will almost certainly be closed as a duplicate, is worth it, your call. I expect it will also be downvoted since you will knowingly be posting a dupe, but that's your call." CreationDate="2019-12-20T10:38:57.370" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10605" PostId="5468" Score="0" Text="Honestly I was not expecting the downvote thing to happen, but I believe your experienced assessment. So if I change it to a question focusing on WinSCP, do you think it will not be closed as duplicate?" CreationDate="2019-12-20T10:43:54.700" UserId="109380" />
  <row Id="10606" PostId="5468" Score="4" Text="@RetoHöhener no, I think it will be closed as a duplicate :(. What I can do, actually, is remove the protection from the original question so you can go ahead and post your answer. The protection is basically to avoid non-answers like &quot;wow! great answer&quot; and &quot;thanks&quot; and that sort of thing. Your answer is clearly not that, so I have now unprotected the question. Please let me know when you have added your answer so I can protect it again." CreationDate="2019-12-20T10:50:16.690" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10607" PostId="5468" Score="3" Text="Thank you, that is helpful. I will let you know." CreationDate="2019-12-20T10:52:06.680" UserId="109380" />
  <row Id="10608" PostId="5468" Score="1" Text="I posted the answer." CreationDate="2019-12-20T10:57:16.780" UserId="109380" />
  <row Id="10609" PostId="5468" Score="2" Text="@RetoHöhener great, thanks! I re-protected it now" CreationDate="2019-12-20T11:03:11.410" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10610" PostId="5180" Score="0" Text="@G-ManSays'ReinstateMonica': Hah yeah I noticed that after I had already rejected." CreationDate="2019-12-20T13:59:47.700" UserId="237982" />
  <row Id="10611" PostId="5470" Score="4" Text="The problem is that there's no such thing as *a Linux system*. There are just a wide variety of systems using Linux as their kernel. In the 90s, using Linux to refer to them or at least *Linux distribution* may have made sense, but nowadays it doesn't. There's more variation between two Linux-based systems (think openwrt, chromeos and CentOS for instance) than between Debian, Solaris and FreeBSD for instance (and Debian can use other kernels than Linux). I'd reserve the &quot;linux&quot; tag to the Linux kernel API." CreationDate="2019-12-20T20:59:01.287" UserId="22565" />
  <row Id="10612" PostId="5470" Score="2" Text="@StéphaneChazelas it might even make more sense to get rid of the tag, to be honest. I agree with everything you said and it doesn't really tell you anything about the question. We can't use it for the kernel and API, though. First because it's confusing (`linux-api` would be better) and second because we already have `linux-kernel` for kernel stuff. My main point here is that it doesn't make sense to put it on any question that happens to involve a machine running a Linux-based system." CreationDate="2019-12-20T21:07:58.867" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10613" PostId="5471" Score="1" Text="Are you saying that Linux should be added to all questions that are about Linux and the tag should just mean &quot;I only care about Linux&quot;? If so, I don't really understand why we would use a tag for that. The OP can simply state they don't want portability discussions. Tags are more for categorizing questions." CreationDate="2019-12-21T16:56:14.170" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10614" PostId="5470" Score="1" Text="Perhaps we need to push people towards the [tag:gnu] more, so as to differentiate GNU tools from (say) BSD?" CreationDate="2019-12-21T21:32:44.723" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="10615" PostId="5470" Score="3" Text="@roaima I don't think that would help. &quot;GNU system&quot; decisions are not necessarily those of Linux distributions." CreationDate="2019-12-21T21:59:38.187" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="10616" PostId="5470" Score="0" Text="@mattdm if you don't want a Linux tag but you want some way of saying &quot;GNU tools are good for my situation&quot;." CreationDate="2019-12-21T22:02:51.330" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="10617" PostId="5470" Score="0" Text="Sure, but I don't think it's useful for the questions suggested here as appropriate for [tag:linux]" CreationDate="2019-12-21T22:04:36.357" UserId="2511" />
  <row Id="10618" PostId="5471" Score="0" Text="&quot;categorizing questions&quot; doesn't mean much by itself. It may be __&quot;help people define the scope of their questions without extra verbiage&quot;__, &quot;let OCD types try to fit the reality into rigid categories&quot; or &quot;let busybodies micromanage stuff&quot;. Only one of those should be encouraged IMHO." CreationDate="2019-12-22T04:32:02.020" UserDisplayName="user313992" />
  <row Id="10619" PostId="5471" Score="4" Text="It's not really on to go around calling other Stack Exchange users &quot;OCD types&quot; and &quot;busybodies&quot;." CreationDate="2019-12-22T11:20:54.603" UserId="5132" />
  <row Id="10620" PostId="5471" Score="1" Text="@mosvy please explain what you mean. Preferably without insulting other users. Tags are for categorizing questions. You don't seem to agree with that but I don't understand what you are suggesting." CreationDate="2019-12-22T11:55:09.643" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10621" PostId="5470" Score="1" Text="@roaima I think simply mentioning your OS in the body of the question is a more effective way of saying you can use GNU tools." CreationDate="2019-12-22T11:57:06.250" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10622" PostId="5471" Score="1" Text="@JdeBP stop this ridiculous pettiness of trying to land blows on me by misconstruing my words. Pointing the __potential of abuse__ of any policy or mechanism is not calling anybody anything." CreationDate="2019-12-22T15:05:59.250" UserDisplayName="user313992" />
  <row Id="10623" PostId="5471" Score="0" Text="@terdon __Tags are to help people define the scope of their questions without extra verbiage__. You are actually insulting me: I should've already known better from past experience than trying to engage you in a good faith discussion." CreationDate="2019-12-22T15:10:52.653" UserDisplayName="user313992" />
  <row Id="10624" PostId="5471" Score="0" Text="It seems that you're trying to push an agenda and put another hurdle in the way of the people trying to ask Qs, and no doubt you'll be able to push it through, consequences be damned." CreationDate="2019-12-22T15:18:19.043" UserDisplayName="user313992" />
  <row Id="10625" PostId="5471" Score="5" Text="@mosvy I quite honestly have no idea what you are talking about. You are the one who started calling people &quot;OCD types&quot; and &quot;busybodies&quot;. And of course I have an &quot;agenda&quot;! What a silly thing to say. I have expressed what I think the tag should be used for, and came here to see if the community agrees. You don't seem to agree, but you haven't made clear why or what you propose. At least not to me. So you can try and make it clearer or just assume I am out to get you. Your call." CreationDate="2019-12-22T15:34:09.087" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10626" PostId="5471" Score="6" Text="If you think my proposed use of the tag (which is simply &quot;don't put it on all questions that mention Linux&quot;) is somehow adding hurdles and has dire consequences, please explain what those hurdles and consequences are. You could be absolutely right! The whole point of this post is to get a discussion going. But if you just leave vague accusations like &quot;trying to push an agenda and put another hurdle in the way of the people trying to ask Qs&quot; and &quot;consequences be damned&quot;, it is very hard to understand what, exactly, you are objecting to." CreationDate="2019-12-22T15:37:25.407" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10627" PostId="5472" Score="0" Text="Sorry, I'm a bit confused. Are you asking about what sort of macOS questions would be better here as opposed to [apple.se] or are you asking about how the _tag_ `macos` should be used on this site?" CreationDate="2019-12-22T18:15:05.413" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10628" PostId="5472" Score="3" Text="There are command line tools on macOS that are not present on other Unices, or that work differently from how they commonly work on e.g. Linux. As an example, `mktemp` [behaves slightly differently](https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/555058/mktemp-on-macos-not-honouring-tmpdir) on macOS than what can be expected from experience on other Unices. As for questions about Apple Script etc. &quot;front-end application&quot; are explicitly not on topic here (see e.g. https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/on-topic). The next issue is whether Apple Script could be considered &quot;front-end&quot;." CreationDate="2019-12-22T18:36:35.373" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10629" PostId="5472" Score="1" Text="@terdon: the first one, while, upon thinking, I find it difficult to find something that does not fall in the scope of Ask Different and so should be covered under the  `macOS` tag." CreationDate="2019-12-22T19:44:37.857" UserId="44919" />
  <row Id="10630" PostId="5472" Score="0" Text="@Kusalananda: well, an Apple Script search gives 47 results, like [this](https://unix.stackexchange.com/q/556357/44919)" CreationDate="2019-12-22T19:52:13.243" UserId="44919" />
  <row Id="10631" PostId="5472" Score="2" Text="I'm assuming that the [tag:macos] tag is just an example, as there are other tags that have the same relationship with other SE sites, e.g. [tag:vim], [tag:emacs], [tag:ubuntu], and [tag:latex]." CreationDate="2019-12-22T19:59:23.370" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10632" PostId="5469" Score="2" Text="Some answers are OS-specific, for example answers under [this question](https://unix.stackexchange.com/q/27279/211239). An identical node number will (almost) never work outside Linux." CreationDate="2019-12-23T15:02:08.560" UserId="211239" />
  <row Id="10633" PostId="5469" Score="0" Text="@iBug yes, and that particular example seems like a very good use of the Linux tag." CreationDate="2019-12-23T15:59:01.027" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10635" PostId="5473" Score="0" Text="@terdon I am trying to understand why the domain exists but the site does not." CreationDate="2019-12-23T16:03:46.917" UserId="40484" />
  <row Id="10636" PostId="5473" Score="0" Text="Yeah, sorry, I figured it out eventually." CreationDate="2019-12-23T16:05:24.300" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10637" PostId="5470" Score="2" Text="@StéphaneChazelas &quot;I'd reserve the &quot;linux&quot; tag to the Linux kernel API.&quot; There's a tag for that: [tag:linux-kernel]" CreationDate="2019-12-23T19:03:02.140" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="10638" PostId="5469" Score="1" Text="Related: https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/512/kill-the-unix-tag" CreationDate="2019-12-23T20:09:17.170" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10639" PostId="5475" Score="2" Text="You're basically saying &quot;Let's just blacklist the tag entirely&quot;, right?" CreationDate="2019-12-23T20:31:01.513" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10640" PostId="5475" Score="4" Text="@terdon if we are going to do anything about it, this is the most cost-effective solution." CreationDate="2019-12-23T21:05:08.953" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="10641" PostId="5475" Score="1" Text="Yes indeed. This might be the best solution. I just wanted to clarify that this was indeed what you were suggesting." CreationDate="2019-12-23T23:28:52.033" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10642" PostId="5474" Score="2" Text="In https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/558619/5132 there's a proper DNS diagnosis tool rather than `ping`.  (-:" CreationDate="2019-12-24T18:04:41.060" UserId="5132" />
  <row Id="10643" PostId="5475" Score="3" Text="Four things: [tag:unix] is only inherently blacklisted. [tag:linux] was explicitly *de*blacklisted [in 2011](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/a/565/5132) _in response to_ &quot;what is usually done&quot;.  [tag:bash] is just as mis-used ([as has been long since noted](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/q/631/5132)). And blacklisting will store up trouble for you down the line." CreationDate="2019-12-24T18:32:00.770" UserId="5132" />
  <row Id="10644" PostId="5470" Score="1" Text="I think this answer sounds nice, but I don't think it's practical to try to enforce this usage.  [tag:linux] is the *most* used tag on the site, with 15.7% of all questions having it (over 23 thousand)." CreationDate="2019-12-24T18:33:31.807" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="10645" PostId="5475" Score="3" Text="@JdeBP when we &quot;deblacklisted&quot;, we were too naive. We were thinking that SU and AU would whoos up all the traffic and leave use with only heavy users. Reality proved differently. People post questions in any text box they can find, and the bash situation is lacking a tag warning instead." CreationDate="2019-12-24T20:07:13.460" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="10646" PostId="5473" Score="3" Text="the `*.stackexchange.com` are virtual hosts, which are usually implemented with [__wildcard dns records__](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildcard_DNS_record) (the reason for those results), the required [`Host:`](https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7230#section-5.4) header of HTTP/1.1, the [server name indication](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_Name_Indication) of TLS, and [wildcard public key certificates](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildcard_certificate)." CreationDate="2019-12-25T07:26:05.943" UserDisplayName="user313992" />
  <row Id="10647" PostId="5473" Score="2" Text="subdomains do __not__ need to resolve to the same IP, and most of the time they don't (eg. `mail.google.com` will not resolve to the same IP as `maps.google.com`)." CreationDate="2019-12-25T07:34:44.413" UserDisplayName="user313992" />
  <row Id="10648" PostId="5475" Score="0" Text="That is _not_ the reasoning that people gave at the time, nor is it the thinking to be found in places like https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/a/110/5132 , https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/q/512/5132 , https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/q/631/5132 , and https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/q/168/5132 ." CreationDate="2019-12-27T09:38:08.163" UserId="5132" />
  <row Id="10649" PostId="5475" Score="0" Text="@JdeBP &quot;Unfortunately, I think it's likely to get put on lots of questions that aren't actually Linux-specific&quot;, &quot;I think this makes sense for migrated questions, as people from, for example, SO have no idea about our policy on the linux tag here.&quot;, &quot;I'm sure there are many examples, but I don't know how &quot;there are other tagging problems&quot; means &quot;we shouldn't solve this case&quot;&quot; &quot;It is possible to blacklist tags as a last resort, but I'm still hoping enough of the community will handle retagging that it won't be an issue&quot; Quotes from the questions you linked." CreationDate="2019-12-27T09:44:56.190" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="10650" PostId="5475" Score="0" Text="The problem was observed back then, we were naive, as the last quote points to, that our community could deal with it. We couldn't. Now is time to correct course." CreationDate="2019-12-27T09:46:28.347" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="10653" PostId="5470" Score="0" Text="I agree with this answer's examples, but I think the wording leaves some incorrect edge cases. I personally use the `linux` tag to indicate when I [as the OP] believe some behavior is peculiar to Linux. Note that I suggest what matter's is the OP's belief not the outcome (the answers) which should result in a tag. So an imaginary question &quot;why does Ubuntu keep randomly deleting my files&quot; should have a linux tag at the OP's discretion. Arguably the question should have some reason stated to explain why the Linux OS / Kernel may be to blame." CreationDate="2019-12-29T00:19:58.847" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="10654" PostId="5477" Score="0" Text="Thank you for the answer, and for retroactively accepting the edit (I didn't even know that was possessible). I just wanted to be sure I am doing edits the right way for this site, as I haven't contributed here as much as on other sites in the network." CreationDate="2019-12-30T11:58:29.243" UserId="77928" />
  <row Id="10656" PostId="5475" Score="3" Text="@JdeBP &quot;blacklisting will store up trouble for you down the line&quot; ... how?" CreationDate="2019-12-31T00:24:12.963" UserId="79839" />
  <row Id="10660" PostId="5482" Score="0" Text="Disclosure: My number of rejected edits is 69% of my number of approved edits." CreationDate="2020-01-02T06:02:06.687" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="10661" PostId="5476" Score="0" Text="Of course, you *could* have posted the *corrections* in a comment; e.g.,   «Change `||` to `&amp;&amp;`; change `&quot;$*&quot;` to `&quot;$@&quot;`; and, because of the **`!`**, `failed` is always set to 0.»" CreationDate="2020-01-02T06:10:04.497" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="10662" PostId="5482" Score="0" Text="Thanks, for the last point &quot;login&quot; was a typo, was meant to be &quot;logic&quot;. I was indeed wrong for the reason `$?` didn't get the correct value. In that light, a simpler &quot;fix&quot; would be to have `failed=1` in the first line and `if (( !failed ))` in the last `if`, but that would still print the wrong exit status. But it looks like OP wanted to handle compound commands, so it doesn't do what OP wants anyway." CreationDate="2020-01-02T06:29:45.367" UserId="77928" />
  <row Id="10663" PostId="5481" Score="2" Text="There are today 4 questions mentioning `regolith`. I personally therefore don't think there's a need for a special tag. Using [tag:ubuntu] and [tag:i3] and then specifying more closely in the actual question seems like the best option to me." CreationDate="2020-01-02T10:44:26.193" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10664" PostId="5477" Score="4" Text="@user000001, terdon along with the other diamond ♦ moderators, can do lots of things the rest of us can't." CreationDate="2020-01-02T20:47:25.400" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="10665" PostId="5480" Score="0" Text="My primary platform for using the site these days is my phone. It's disappointing that the phone app doesn't give me access to the review queues. Otherwise I'd happily do more reviewa of edits, close votes, first posts, etc." CreationDate="2020-01-03T05:27:40.943" UserId="281844" />
  <row Id="10666" PostId="5480" Score="1" Text="I often check in using a mobile browser, and look at the review queues that way as well." CreationDate="2020-01-03T20:35:03.267" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10667" PostId="5480" Score="0" Text="To what extent does the decrease in community participation reflect the “promotion” of two of its most active members to moderators?" CreationDate="2020-01-04T13:17:31.513" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="10668" PostId="5480" Score="1" Text="@StephenKitt It may have a tiny effect, but Jeff's done 8605 close vote reviews _over all_ (currently), and I've only done a measly 1651, so it's not just us. Besides, I believe these numbers are declining for sites like StackOverflow as well." CreationDate="2020-01-04T13:22:14.570" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10669" PostId="5483" Score="7" Text="Linking in https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/a/972/117549 and https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/q/2927/117549 and https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/q/5435/117549" CreationDate="2020-01-05T19:13:53.890" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10670" PostId="5484" Score="2" Text="A similar question from two days earlier: https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5483  In general, you can flag any question as &quot;in need of moderator intervention&quot; and explain where you want it migrated and why.  There has been a total of zero migrations to AskUbuntu in the last 90 days (and 3 from there to here)." CreationDate="2020-01-08T08:13:33.387" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10672" PostId="4851" Score="0" Text="But there are two migration targets, and this one would be more useful. I normally do not care about the migration feature, but it seems to me that it is here particularly useful. And it would allow to keep the separation of the sites from blurring." CreationDate="2020-01-09T04:59:52.880" UserId="63775" />
  <row Id="10673" PostId="5486" Score="3" Text="Not wishing to seem argumentative but how are stats compiled for sites where we don't have migration paths?  I only ask because I wonder if we correctly we capture closed yet non migrated questions. 2 Seems very low.  I feel like in the past 90 days I've personally voted close on more than that with a polite suggestion to each OP." CreationDate="2020-01-09T15:13:55.793" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="10674" PostId="5483" Score="1" Text="Thanks for those links.  I feel like [this diagram](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/a/2936/20140) illustrates cleanly why I make the suggestion.  That is SU feels like a super-set of UL with a few script questions falling outside of SU." CreationDate="2020-01-09T15:17:55.277" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="10675" PostId="5486" Score="1" Text="I'm not entirely sure where those numbers come from, to be honest. Looking at the [migrated away stats](https://unix.stackexchange.com/tools/posts/migrated/away) there are five recent migrations to SU: 2 last December, 1 last August, 1 last July, and 1 last June. Closed-but-not-migrated questions would simply be &quot;closed&quot;, right? If it's closed here and separately re-asked, I'm not sure that's captured by any (simple) stats." CreationDate="2020-01-09T15:21:28.017" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10676" PostId="5483" Score="0" Text="There are a lot of script questions here :)" CreationDate="2020-01-09T15:22:19.907" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10677" PostId="5483" Score="0" Text="Fair enough ;-) I'm personally uncertain why they aren't better on SO. But hey, not going to argue it." CreationDate="2020-01-09T15:24:00.940" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="10678" PostId="5483" Score="0" Text="SO has twice as many [AIX](https://stackoverflow.com/tags/aix)-tagged questions [as we do](https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/aix) and 6 times as many [Linux](https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/linux)-tagged questions [as we do](https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/linux). A &quot;programming&quot;-related Linux script question would be in-scope on SO." CreationDate="2020-01-09T15:31:58.773" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10679" PostId="5470" Score="1" Text="As one of the confused users, I'll point out that &quot;How can I find all executable files on a Linux machine&quot; can be solved directly with GNU find's `-executable` option, or portably in other ways. Knowing the (default) available tools helps to guide a good/useful answer (e.g. one that doesn't have to be strictly portable)." CreationDate="2020-01-09T17:32:03.250" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10680" PostId="5470" Score="1" Text="@JeffSchaller indeed, mentioning your OS is essential. The question is whether the best way to indicate your OS is using the Linux tag given that people basically just slap it onto anything that seems Linux related so it ends up being uninformative." CreationDate="2020-01-09T17:37:35.730" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10681" PostId="5480" Score="0" Text="&quot;_&quot;Community&quot; has been less active in moderation related activities_&quot;, well yes, but it actually shows fewer posts have been flagged for possible closure (Community is down 13K but Mods are only up 200), and actual closure (Community down 3.5K but Mods only up 522). What I'd really like to see is Questions by year and Answers by year because I wonder if that has dropped significantly 2018 to 2019 too." CreationDate="2020-01-09T20:48:51.867" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="10682" PostId="5489" Score="1" Text="I'm confused about what kind of deletion you're after. Deleted is deleted. What would this next-level deletion look like?" CreationDate="2020-01-10T16:01:37.233" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10683" PostId="5490" Score="0" Text="I believed that if *I* deleted it, it would really be gone (even I wouldn't see it).  I can still see it in the current state that it's in, even if other users can't.  But I've never deleted an answer before, so that's just a guess.  If it's already in the most deleted state it can be in, then I guess there's nothing more I can do." CreationDate="2020-01-10T18:59:14.883" UserId="42620" />
  <row Id="10684" PostId="5489" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller It wouldn't even show up to me, when I looked at the question.  That is, it would really be deleted, not just &quot;disabled for other users except for users with &gt; 10,000 reputation&quot;." CreationDate="2020-01-10T19:02:07.810" UserId="42620" />
  <row Id="10686" PostId="5492" Score="1" Text="Some distributions still package this in the `iproute` package, but the upstream project name is [iproute2](https://wiki.linuxfoundation.org/networking/iproute2)." CreationDate="2020-01-13T14:27:01.623" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="10687" PostId="5471" Score="2" Text="100% in agreement with @mosvy. Maybe we need a `non-linux` tag or a `posixly_correct` one (or its predecessor `posix_me_harder` :))..." CreationDate="2020-01-13T23:20:36.307" UserId="171560" />
  <row Id="10688" PostId="5486" Score="1" Text="Close-voters needing to be familiar w/ target site would already be a problem with the existing targets. (Possible fix: let me vote to migrate anywhere I have vote-to-close rights on, because that's the best proof we can have.)" CreationDate="2020-01-15T10:19:02.097" UserId="3929" />
  <row Id="10689" PostId="5493" Score="1" Text="For the purpose of your question here on the Meta site (as opposed to the main U&amp;L site), you want comments on the appropriateness of your question?" CreationDate="2020-01-15T10:57:48.083" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10690" PostId="5493" Score="0" Text="Yes, ask it on the main U&amp;L. Search before, there may already be duplicates. FWIW, Linux will pass all the boot parameters which are not of the `key=var` form as command line args to the `init` process, which isn't necessarily systemd (it may be an `/init` script in the initrd image, or something else). You can also retrieve them whenever you want from `/proc/cmdline`." CreationDate="2020-01-15T21:21:03.077" UserDisplayName="user313992" />
  <row Id="10691" PostId="5494" Score="3" Text="JFC, atleast post a link to the question instead of this horrible screenshot amalgation." CreationDate="2020-01-16T11:19:01.767" UserId="224077" />
  <row Id="10692" PostId="5494" Score="0" Text="Consider adding the relevant text as _text_ to your question, or at least crop the screenshots to only cover the relevant bits. I really can't make out much of the text in those screen dumps." CreationDate="2020-01-16T11:25:07.857" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10693" PostId="5494" Score="0" Text="It is a continuous scrolled images capture. Would you be able to see continuity in the screenshots ? Screenshots are for the reason, if later link is removed !" CreationDate="2020-01-16T11:26:54.263" UserId="390742" />
  <row Id="10694" PostId="5494" Score="2" Text="Ideally, I'd want to be able to read the text to understand your issue. I currently can't read it because it's small and fuzzy." CreationDate="2020-01-16T11:28:14.403" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10695" PostId="5494" Score="1" Text="After the edit to original question, added the links  Link to the question Link to the review.  Picture is &quot;zoom&quot;able, makes it in the &quot;actual size&quot; and readable." CreationDate="2020-01-16T11:29:52.910" UserId="390742" />
  <row Id="10697" PostId="5494" Score="0" Text="If you see a top comment :  _&lt; Well, this doesn't tell me what caused the shutdown, only when it was done. Which I already know, see my question. – alex Apr 5 '11 at 6:22 &gt;_   which was to the Original Answer [link](https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/10351/390742) which I edited, explains what kind of Peer Review was done" CreationDate="2020-01-16T11:55:51.997" UserId="390742" />
  <row Id="10698" PostId="5495" Score="0" Text="1. are you sure &quot;edit doesn’t add any substantive content&quot; ? variation on the existing last -x | less command because, existing command does not point to or narrow down what we need to look at. Try it yourself !   2. Are you saying _error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server_   and later _kill_ and  _Stopped User Manager_ does not lead me to clue that X11 is issue ?" CreationDate="2020-01-17T16:02:15.693" UserId="390742" />
  <row Id="10699" PostId="5496" Score="0" Text="If it has to be a new answer , rejected reason should have been _it should be a new answer, not edit_. Not as by the reviewers _doesn’t add any substantive content_" CreationDate="2020-01-17T16:09:58.763" UserId="390742" />
  <row Id="10700" PostId="5495" Score="0" Text="1. `last -x | less` shows you all the information that `last -x | head | cat` does, and more. 2. Yes, those errors indicate that the X server was shut down, but that happens during normal system shutdown, and wouldn’t cause a system shutdown on its own. You’d need to determine why the X server was shut down, and even then, that wouldn’t explain the system shutdown." CreationDate="2020-01-17T16:12:35.527" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="10701" PostId="5495" Score="0" Text="1.  As Clearly mentioned &quot;narrow down what we need to look at&quot; Does not it? For me,  ` last -x | less` gives huge list .. Where as the one way I mentioned it does `tac`" CreationDate="2020-01-17T16:20:55.083" UserId="390742" />
  <row Id="10702" PostId="5495" Score="0" Text="2. _error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server_ happens during normal shutdown ???? Are you sure ??  :D" CreationDate="2020-01-17T16:22:09.547" UserId="390742" />
  <row Id="10703" PostId="5496" Score="0" Text="As it says .. _add related resources_  .. My answer does not change the meaning. As the Original Question posted himself commented, the Original Answer in itself, does not answer his question :D  See his comment _Well, this doesn't tell me what caused the shutdown .... .... alex_" CreationDate="2020-01-17T16:26:50.693" UserId="390742" />
  <row Id="10704" PostId="5495" Score="0" Text="Yes, it happens when the X server stops before all its clients; it’s an error produced by an X client when it can no longer contact the X server. That’s a fairly regular occurrence during typical shutdowns." CreationDate="2020-01-17T16:27:53.397" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="10705" PostId="5495" Score="0" Text="Well , we are not talking about normal shutdowns here ! Question was about crashes. If I know  5 min ago, my Ubuntu crashed. And when reading the logs if I could find only this, and after that there is SIGKILL. .. !! well it tells me. I don't know what other factors made you to reject my edit !" CreationDate="2020-01-17T16:36:37.367" UserId="390742" />
  <row Id="10706" PostId="5495" Score="0" Text="After my edit, I wonder, why the original answer which was up-voted 121 times, wasn't moderated !!??? It CLEARLY does not answer the Original Question ! :D See the Original Questioner's comment :  _Well, this doesn't tell me what caused the shutdown .... .... alex_" CreationDate="2020-01-17T16:38:57.173" UserId="390742" />
  <row Id="10707" PostId="5495" Score="0" Text="Your edit doesn’t help answer the question either. You’re analysing the logs with tinted glasses: you know there was a crash, so anything which vaguely looks like a crash jumps out at you. But those logs don’t explain the shutdown, they only show that it happened." CreationDate="2020-01-17T16:42:46.577" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="10708" PostId="5495" Score="0" Text="Well, it was not shutdown, it was XServer crash, looks like shutdown. But kernel was still up. So for user it looks like reboot ! You can call it Tinted Glass, whatever. But _error_  _warning_ are the places where I look at ususally for such scenario :D  I wonder Reviewers also with glasses to selectively reject , and then argue on over :D  No wonder that report on vulnerable codes is near to it" CreationDate="2020-01-17T17:02:52.117" UserId="390742" />
  <row Id="10709" PostId="5480" Score="0" Text="@roaima SEDE has others, I'm sure, but here's one: https://data.stackexchange.com/unix/query/161411/site-activity-and-votegraph#graph" CreationDate="2020-01-18T03:43:10.637" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10710" PostId="5480" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller thank you. I'd forgotten about SEDE." CreationDate="2020-01-18T09:49:31.983" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="10711" PostId="5471" Score="0" Text="So the tag should be Gnu/Linux" CreationDate="2020-01-19T11:18:01.247" UserId="4778" />
  <row Id="10712" PostId="5469" Score="0" Text="The problem is that the word Linux is poorly defined: It sometimes is used to mean Gnu/Linux, and sometimes to mean Linux-the-kernel, and I have even seen it used to mean Gnu+Linux-Linux (Gnu/Linux, but without Linux). Microsoft's WSL does this." CreationDate="2020-01-19T11:22:13.813" UserId="4778" />
  <row Id="10713" PostId="512" Score="0" Text="Gnu/Linux is Unix, but not UNIX. UNIX is the (original) AT&amp;T version of Unix." CreationDate="2020-01-19T11:24:28.200" UserId="4778" />
  <row Id="10717" PostId="5501" Score="0" Text="Very similar to your previous question, https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5484/the-migration-target-askubuntu-should-be-available, but I think https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5483/why-can-we-not-vote-to-migrate-a-question-to-superuser-com has most of what I might say in response to this question. Why not use the custom close reason (&quot;Other (add a comment explaining what is wrong)&quot;)" CreationDate="2020-01-24T19:26:12.670" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10718" PostId="5501" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller Yes, similar. (To be clear, I'm not 'complaing', but rather write down a UI problem.) Here, I did not intend to migrate it, and did not use an item for migration. I went a straight path that suddenly ended. Yes, I went back out and used the free form comment. I looked for a plain &quot;off topic&quot; first. Often, it's not clear whether/which suitable site exists, or the question is off topic beyond reclaim. If back and &quot;other&quot; is the official way, that's an answer. (There was the minor problem that the field enforced a nontrivial length, while &quot;Android&quot; or &quot;to Android&quot; would fit)" CreationDate="2020-01-24T19:44:56.263" UserId="63775" />
  <row Id="10719" PostId="5501" Score="0" Text="So you're suggesting there should be a free-form option within the &quot;Migration&quot; page to let people specify where it should go that raises a flag, so they don't need to back out and choose the &quot;Other&quot; option?" CreationDate="2020-01-24T22:02:21.160" UserId="73" />
  <row Id="10720" PostId="5501" Score="0" Text="@MichaelMrozek No, the list did not contain Migration. And the free text in the &quot;other&quot; field ended up as comment. I'm not sure which review queue it was." CreationDate="2020-01-24T22:30:36.217" UserId="63775" />
  <row Id="10721" PostId="5501" Score="0" Text="Android uses the Linux kernel and a lot of Linux tools. Effectively, it is an embedded Linux. Of course it has nothing to do with LSB and to any relevant Linux standard, but it is still a Linux. The Android SE is declarated only for user-level questions. They redirect programming questions to here or to the SO. I think, Android should be mostly ontopic (well, maybe &quot;how to use X app&quot; questions should go to the Android SE, but that is all)." CreationDate="2020-01-26T16:16:11.603" UserId="52236" />
  <row Id="10722" PostId="5501" Score="0" Text="@peterh-ReinstateMonica I did not keep my example, but remember it mentioned Android in a high level UI context. Though I'm aware of the layering (Android running on a Java Virtual Machine, which runs on Linux, which runs something surprisingly small and quick.), you reminded me of what the user means when he says Android. He basically means the whole software stack. If I use term, I normally mean the Android UI and framework, with or without the JWM. But without Linux. I think the Linux is pretty much complete, except that the common commands are missing, which can be fixed by a single file." CreationDate="2020-01-27T01:38:07.593" UserId="63775" />
  <row Id="10724" PostId="5504" Score="3" Text="Related: https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/86998" CreationDate="2020-02-02T04:06:18.830" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10725" PostId="5504" Score="4" Text="There may be a language issue here, since &quot;re-enabling sucky or idiotic questions&quot; isn't the goal of the site." CreationDate="2020-02-02T04:07:18.263" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10726" PostId="5504" Score="0" Text="I am just wanting to get to post... That's it, I had to post on super user and that doesn't fit catagorically. But, people were willing to be nice to me and help me........" CreationDate="2020-02-02T15:33:58.470" UserId="120695" />
  <row Id="10727" PostId="5504" Score="0" Text="I had deleted my downvoted posts because I couldn't figure out how to explain what I wanted to do. That was years ago. Now that I actually need this community, I guess I'm stuck unable to contribute to the community, and unable to do anything else... I even have tons of upvotes and a positive reputation... The ban seems to have been automated, so I'll look into fixing this issue, when I have time and my health is good" CreationDate="2020-02-02T15:38:17.553" UserId="120695" />
  <row Id="10728" PostId="5506" Score="2" Text="Related on the main Meta site: [Is there a way to see who voted on your posts?](//meta.stackexchange.com/q/12984)" CreationDate="2020-02-05T07:18:55.953" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10729" PostId="5506" Score="1" Text="Thank you!  I was looking for this information, but didn't find it (apparently the wrong meta).  So it is some form of &quot;democratic voting by secret ballot&quot;!" CreationDate="2020-02-05T07:34:01.577" UserId="392484" />
  <row Id="10730" PostId="5506" Score="2" Text="You can't call it &quot;democratic&quot; as there is no &quot;result&quot; from the votes that then is acted on when the voting is over. The only thing that the votes result in, over time (since the voting never stops, unless the question is closed, which is not a democratic decision) is a reputation gain/loss for the author and a score on the post. It is simply voting that is anonymous." CreationDate="2020-02-05T07:38:05.090" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10732" PostId="5506" Score="0" Text="@Kusalananda, you are perfectly right and I even deliberated before posting if I should use the attribute &quot;democratic&quot;.  In any case, you seem to have a higher standard concerning the notion &quot;democratic&quot; than me.  I don't want to get political, but I already participated in not just one referendum which was politically ignored.  Any, yes, decisions without consulting the people also happen all the time  --  it is still a democratic system and society!" CreationDate="2020-02-06T11:40:32.543" UserId="392484" />
  <row Id="10733" PostId="5509" Score="4" Text="I don't have anything authoritative on this, but I get the impression that comments are intended to be temporary, aimed at improving the Q or A." CreationDate="2020-02-06T15:08:31.157" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10734" PostId="5509" Score="4" Text="What Jeff said. Also, comments tend to be followed up with more comments. You would possibly be able to invalidate a series of comment replies by editing an initial comment that these replies reference. This would lead to a comment thread that would be exceedingly difficult, or confusing, to follow. If you can't spot an error within 5 minutes, then it probably wasn't so important." CreationDate="2020-02-06T15:38:06.317" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10735" PostId="5505" Score="0" Text="Thank you good sir for the help" CreationDate="2020-02-06T18:04:20.157" UserId="120695" />
  <row Id="10736" PostId="5509" Score="1" Text="If you come across ones that are really bad you can flag us to fix them. Don't abuse this but mods can edit them." CreationDate="2020-02-06T20:14:10.827" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="10738" PostId="5510" Score="1" Text="Depends, what is the question? Linux is on topic on the main site, so I would guess your question would be fine here, but I can't tell without more details. But, off the top of my head, I can't really see how something about Linux networking wouldn't be on topic, what's making you doubt it?" CreationDate="2020-02-10T12:42:23.437" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10739" PostId="5510" Score="0" Text="I thought that the right website to put the question would be Unix&amp;Linux but am banned to ask questions on Unix&amp;Linux. So I decided to sort it out beforehand" CreationDate="2020-02-10T13:02:55.753" UserId="358141" />
  <row Id="10740" PostId="5510" Score="1" Text="@ccsann You are currently banned, which is an automatic thing that us mods can't do anything about, and it could have something to do with having deleted 50% of your questions (some of them not deleted by you directly though).  In some cases, deleting questions may cause a ban. Getting oneself unbanned is a matter of improving the quality of one's contributions. See also https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5504" CreationDate="2020-02-10T22:35:26.147" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10743" PostId="5513" Score="0" Text="Just so you know @ccsann, this question bans are 100% automatic and nobody here has any way of changing them. They cannot be imposed or lifted by moderators. This is out of our hands, I'm afraid." CreationDate="2020-02-20T17:34:30.420" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10744" PostId="5515" Score="1" Text="Is that the official site account? Anyway, when I click on your link I see a clear message saying that the account is suspended and that `Twitter suspends accounts which violate the Twitter Rules`. So this account, whatever it is, seems to be suspended. Frankly, if it is the site's account, then lets let it _stay_ suspended so it doesn't tweet the worst questions we have any more?" CreationDate="2020-02-22T21:36:11.233" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10745" PostId="5515" Score="0" Text="@terdon I got to this twitter page from the history page of my [this](https://unix.stackexchange.com/posts/542270/revisions) old question. (And I visited this history page because recently I've got 3 ups to it and I thought maybe something revived it.) Yes, it looks very well to the ordinary site account." CreationDate="2020-02-22T21:53:32.417" UserId="52236" />
  <row Id="10746" PostId="5515" Score="0" Text="@terdon Without taking a side about the usefulness of this account (btw, note what I said about twitter), this question is only about, what is going on." CreationDate="2020-02-22T21:55:35.697" UserId="52236" />
  <row Id="10747" PostId="5515" Score="1" Text="The official list ([source](https://stackoverflow.blog/2011/01/12/twitter-question-feeds-for-stack-exchange/)) of per-site Twitter accounts is in [stackexchange.com/sites](https://stackexchange.com/sites#traffic), and having a link there which points to a suspended account seems... suboptimal." CreationDate="2020-02-23T17:56:51.800" UserId="315749" />
  <row Id="10748" PostId="5515" Score="0" Text="@fra-san I think the company will check, what is going on, possibly a mod will alert them on their channels. Although I don't believe that twitter attracts the best content, here we are to convert the fresh meat to improving stats." CreationDate="2020-02-23T18:02:47.630" UserId="52236" />
  <row Id="10749" PostId="5515" Score="3" Text="@terdon et al: I've reached out to the CM's for a company response." CreationDate="2020-02-23T19:04:28.597" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10750" PostId="5520" Score="1" Text="Don't worry about it" CreationDate="2020-03-05T12:01:07.210" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="10751" PostId="5522" Score="1" Text="Good points. One of the reasons I wanted to do this is to refer questions about the topic to my answers. I will accept your answer but first I would like to hear other opinions." CreationDate="2020-03-05T12:58:52.350" UserId="338177" />
  <row Id="10752" PostId="5522" Score="1" Text="@guillermochamorro I started to reply in a comment, but it got too long to fit. Please see the updated Answer." CreationDate="2020-03-05T13:10:41.443" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10753" PostId="5522" Score="5" Text="Probably just a wording issue: based on the help and the discussion linked there, _requests_ for learning materials are off-topic, while answers formatted as a step by step guide wouldn't necessarily be. (Intentionally avoiding &quot;tutorial&quot; here because, I agree, &quot;tutorial&quot; sounds like the answer to a question that is too broad for the site)." CreationDate="2020-03-05T13:18:04.217" UserId="315749" />
  <row Id="10759" PostId="5521" Score="0" Text="For what it's worth, the linked and related posts shown on the right contain links to all previous versions, generally :)" CreationDate="2020-03-05T16:20:43.333" UserId="93139" />
  <row Id="10760" PostId="5525" Score="0" Text="shamelessly recopied from [previous years](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5155/community-promotion-ads-2019#comment9488_5173)" CreationDate="2020-03-05T16:22:23.483" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10761" PostId="5521" Score="0" Text="Yes; I just lazily wanted an explicit 2019 link to see what might still be current. I assume there's no plans to reinstate the [Twitter-suspended StackUnix bot](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5515/what-has-happened-to-the-twitter-account-of-the-site)?" CreationDate="2020-03-05T16:23:27.303" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10762" PostId="5521" Score="1" Text="I don't know at this point, which is why I didn't post that ad as an example as usual." CreationDate="2020-03-05T16:29:43.433" UserId="93139" />
  <row Id="10763" PostId="5526" Score="0" Text="Copied from https://meta.askubuntu.com/a/18992/367990" CreationDate="2020-03-05T22:18:01.540" UserId="103151" />
  <row Id="10764" PostId="5521" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller shhh! Stop reminding them, they might actually fix it! (shudders)" CreationDate="2020-03-06T15:15:57.867" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10765" PostId="5530" Score="1" Text="I'll just ask here: is your *intention* (with this Meta post) to change the distribution(s) that people use? Or how to handle such questions here at U&amp;L?" CreationDate="2020-03-16T11:41:08.177" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10766" PostId="5530" Score="7" Text="Kali Linux may possibly be for experts, but it's primarily for penetration testing (whether by experts or not). Users of Kali Linux should be (made) aware of the distribution's emphasis as a tool for penetration testing and that it's not a general purpose Linux distribution. Talking about &quot;for experts&quot; or &quot;for non-experts&quot; is slightly irrelevant and introduces a unhelpful distinction between _users_ rather than between tools." CreationDate="2020-03-16T12:11:57.947" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10767" PostId="5530" Score="1" Text="@JeffSchaller I'm not seeking to stop people using Kali *with this post*.  I do occasionally point  individual users to other distributions where I feel Kali isn't what they need.  I'd like to discuss here the moments when the community would *already* be directing a user to try a different distribution.  My difficulty is I have a low view of Kali (obvious enough).  I'm looking for a more diplomatic way to offer advice.  Every time I draft a diplomatic response it ends up implying the exact opposite of my opinion. I'm seeking to offer good advice without appearing trollish." CreationDate="2020-03-16T12:46:38.160" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="10768" PostId="5530" Score="1" Text="The phrase &quot;I wonder if we can find a way, as a community, to direct people away from Kali &quot; in this question is what prompted my concern. I don't see SE as a vehicle for changing people's behavior; it's a Q&amp;A platform. If you can write an answer to a question, do that. Otherwise, my request is that we guide questions through the normal process of clarification, voting, and (optionally) answering." CreationDate="2020-03-16T12:51:33.210" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10769" PostId="5530" Score="1" Text="@JeffSchaller ah I see.  Perhaps that phrase needed clarification or a better description of context.  I guess the context should have been limited to apparent XY problems. *&quot;I'm having trouble using Kali as my main desktop&quot;* might be a made-up example. *&quot;I'm having trouble setting up Kali is my first Linux learning environment&quot;* might be another.  There are times when the opinion &quot;I believe you've picked the wrong tool for the job&quot; is an appropriate response." CreationDate="2020-03-16T12:59:13.840" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="10776" PostId="565" Score="0" Text="In a site called `Tom &amp; Jerry`: why `Tom` should be blacklisted but not `Jerry`, or vice versa? Should be both or none, IMhO." CreationDate="2020-03-19T18:07:07.990" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="10777" PostId="5534" Score="0" Text="It's not entirely different. The question I answered had a title of `bash: syntax error near unexpected token }'` I addressed `bash: syntax error near unexpected token ;'`. Which is very similar. Can you tell me how can I add an answer to this question: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/93012/bash-syntax-error-near-unexpected-token?noredirect=1&amp;lq=1 ?If it's marked as dup, then I should be able to answer it as whatever it's assumed to be equal of" CreationDate="2020-03-22T20:50:35.440" UserId="145774" />
  <row Id="10778" PostId="5533" Score="1" Text="I'd guess that the policy on deleting answers may differ to some extent across Stack Exchange sites. For instance, [the attempt I started](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/q/5376/315749) to reach the definition of some guidelines for this site about which answers should be deleted from the Low Quality Posts review queue has shown that there is no clear consensus among the users of U&amp;L." CreationDate="2020-03-22T20:51:56.733" UserId="315749" />
  <row Id="10779" PostId="5534" Score="1" Text="Kusalananda has addressed the reason I deleted it. I happened across it in a review queue." CreationDate="2020-03-22T20:54:00.757" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10780" PostId="5534" Score="0" Text="More so, being new to bash scripting, I thought I have to end everything with a `;`. My answer was to open that open, no matter how simple. It's still an answer. After all a lot of bash related questions are about not properly understanding how the language works, which end up being a typo. But the root cause is not a keyboard typo. It's lack of understanding the language" CreationDate="2020-03-22T20:56:15.397" UserId="145774" />
  <row Id="10781" PostId="5533" Score="1" Text="@fra-san why is it even made a candidate for a low quality post? I gave an answer to this error: `bash: syntax error near unexpected token ;'` Does it make the error go away? Yes." CreationDate="2020-03-22T21:00:52.873" UserId="145774" />
  <row Id="10782" PostId="5534" Score="1" Text="Additionally questions get marked as duplicate because they have the same error message. Are you suggesting that I create a new question with my own error an answer it myself. I think that's incorrect. What needs to be is that the https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/93012/bash-syntax-error-near-unexpected-token?noredirect=1&amp;lq=1 should be unduplicated because they're different errors. That way I can provide a different answer for that error." CreationDate="2020-03-22T21:04:12.850" UserId="145774" />
  <row Id="10783" PostId="5534" Score="1" Text="@Honey I have addressed the issue of the duplicate in my updated answer here. Your own issue would be a duplicate of &quot;[Why isn't a semicolon accepted after then?](https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/92226/why-isnt-a-semicolon-accepted-after-then)&quot;." CreationDate="2020-03-22T21:48:02.567" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10784" PostId="5533" Score="0" Text="The mention to the LQP queue in my previous comment is not really relevant to the point. I'm only addressing the _&quot;...and I've never had...&quot;_ part of your question: the same kind of answers _may_ happen not to be handled in the same way on SO and U&amp;L." CreationDate="2020-03-22T21:57:39.680" UserId="315749" />
  <row Id="10786" PostId="5534" Score="0" Text="I _can_ write it there too. But given that if you do a google search for &quot;-bash: syntax error near unexpected token `;'&quot; verbatim, your first result is https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/93012/bash-syntax-error-near-unexpected-token?noredirect=1&amp;lq=1 makes it valid to write in that question too. I think the root of the difference of our mindsets is: for a given error message, are answers for other ways of triggering that error message allowed? My answer is yes. If your answer is no, can you provide a reference from the guidelines? Or perhaps update the guidelines to match your opinion" CreationDate="2020-03-22T22:19:34.660" UserId="145774" />
  <row Id="10787" PostId="5533" Score="1" Text="I added an answer [here](https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/574336/232326), Maybe it would be more relevant to you." CreationDate="2020-03-22T23:22:05.060" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="10788" PostId="5534" Score="2" Text="@Honey The problem I have here is that you don't have (the same) error message; yes, it's similar, but even one small technical difference could matter to people searching for those Q/A's in the future. I take my guidance from the Help Center regarding duplicates: [There are many ways to ask the same question, and a user might not be able to find the answer if they're asking it a different way.](https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/duplicates)" CreationDate="2020-03-23T16:36:14.267" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10789" PostId="5534" Score="0" Text="I don't understand how concluded that. Do I not have &quot;-bash: syntax error near unexpected token `;'&quot; triggered?" CreationDate="2020-03-23T16:52:54.200" UserId="145774" />
  <row Id="10790" PostId="5534" Score="1" Text="@Honey It doesn't really matter what the error message says if the issue that caused the error is different. Are you proposing to collect all &quot;no such file or directory&quot; issues in the same Q/A?" CreationDate="2020-03-24T10:42:38.550" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10792" PostId="5539" Score="0" Text="Thank you for your answer. You are right, they are not forums, I will be more careful with my language." CreationDate="2020-03-31T21:48:55.820" UserId="329018" />
  <row Id="10795" PostId="5541" Score="3" Text="It's worse than that. From [the blog post](https://stackoverflow.blog/2020/03/30/introducing-dark-mode-for-stack-overflow/) announcing this: &quot;For now, we have no plans to bring dark mode to the many sites across the Stack Exchange network.&quot;" CreationDate="2020-04-05T01:13:16.710" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="10796" PostId="5542" Score="0" Text="Relating https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5198/what-is-curious-badge-and-why-i-am-not-getting-it and https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/3085/definition-for-curious-badge as the answer may be in one of those. Will follow up later unless someone else beats me to it." CreationDate="2020-04-05T13:07:16.720" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10797" PostId="5542" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller Read carefully the question. Don't jump to conclusions." CreationDate="2020-04-05T13:22:16.723" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="10798" PostId="5542" Score="0" Text="I haven't concluded *anything*, yet. I linked those two questions to remind me (and you, and everyone reading) that *deleted* questions also appear to count towards the score/badge." CreationDate="2020-04-05T13:44:45.173" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10799" PostId="5543" Score="1" Text="Addendum -- I had to click  a few times to find it, but the SEDE help page (https://data.stackexchange.com/help) links to a tutorial (https://data.stackexchange.com/tutorial) which (on the last page) links to the schema documentation (https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/2678/307535) which leads to Jon Ericson's post (https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/266431/307535) which says &quot;At the moment, there's no way to see the ClosedDate, tags or titles of deleted questions. Bodies and the various UserIds are also null for deleted posts, for obvious reasons&quot;" CreationDate="2020-04-05T14:07:31.830" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10802" PostId="5543" Score="1" Text="I am saying both things: SEDE does not show you your deleted posts and you have more than 1 deleted questions. I cannot remember if or how you can see them all yourself. I'm not sure if it's appropriate to link them here, so if you'd like a list of them, please let me know (here or in the chat room) and I can try to create a private chat room to list them for you." CreationDate="2020-04-06T01:31:43.957" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10803" PostId="5543" Score="1" Text="@Isaac https://unix.stackexchange.com/search?q=deleted%3Ayes+is%3Aq" CreationDate="2020-04-06T01:35:15.203" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="10804" PostId="5543" Score="0" Text="@Isaac https://unix.stackexchange.com/search?q=user%3A232326+is%3AQ+deleted%3A1 (the result of going to your profile and adding &quot;is:Q deleted:1&quot; to the user search box) might also help; I just don't remember if it shows you *all* of your deleted Q's or only the most recent ones." CreationDate="2020-04-06T01:51:29.413" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10805" PostId="5543" Score="0" Text="Socking, just shocking, well, that explains it." CreationDate="2020-04-06T03:45:35.237" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="10806" PostId="5543" Score="0" Text="Yes. it shows all deleted questions, even the ones that someone else has deleted (not me) but belong to me as I asked them." CreationDate="2020-04-06T04:12:38.573" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="10808" PostId="5543" Score="0" Text="@muru Thanks. :-)" CreationDate="2020-04-06T04:16:38.453" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="10809" PostId="717" Score="0" Text="And yet still nothing changed after almost 10 years... NICE" CreationDate="2020-04-06T09:03:04.970" UserId="124191" />
  <row Id="10810" PostId="5543" Score="0" Text="Happy to hear we got to the bottom of it, @Isaac. I edited my comment above to remove the exact number. It's hard to give a good answer to a personal question without going into some level of detail. Let me know if this is all satisfactory. Thanks!" CreationDate="2020-04-06T11:15:44.547" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10811" PostId="5544" Score="2" Text="From the Q/A you linked to: something [changed and then was changed back](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/a/1219/315749). Surprisingly, the evident issue with &quot;0&quot; (and numbers in Georgia font in general) seems to have been rarely pointed out network-wide (e.g. [this Q/A](https://gis.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4973) on gis.SE)." CreationDate="2020-04-06T13:56:31.253" UserId="315749" />
  <row Id="10812" PostId="5544" Score="1" Text="Background information I found on main Meta: fonts [have been standardized](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/311033/410681) during the rollout of the [responsive design theme](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/314979/410681), and site themes can apparently only choose between &quot;serif&quot; and &quot;sans-serif&quot; fonts, as defined by the [Stack Overflow font stack](https://stackoverflow.design/product/base/typography/#fonts). U&amp;L seems to have [preferred a serif font for titles](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/a/1220/315749), though I wasn't able to find any broader discussion." CreationDate="2020-04-06T13:58:19.183" UserId="315749" />
  <row Id="10816" PostId="5548" Score="1" Text="Relevant: [Should posts be self-contained?](//meta.stackexchange.com/q/18669)" CreationDate="2020-04-14T09:15:55.680" UserId="22565" />
  <row Id="10817" PostId="5547" Score="0" Text="Regarding &quot;other ways to get advice&quot;, maybe  browse https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/specific-question and https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/question-quality ?" CreationDate="2020-04-14T11:06:50.160" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10818" PostId="5549" Score="0" Text="That might be so, but the last two questions I posted are both in the negatives, so I assume there's something I'm doing wrong." CreationDate="2020-04-17T08:06:42.760" UserId="200087" />
  <row Id="10819" PostId="5548" Score="0" Text="I've already [told you](https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/579853#comment1079908_579853) why both `pivot_root` and `chroot` are used in the example from the manpage. But I'm probably talking out of my ass, and there's something subtle and deep about that obscure system call, since so many people (or so many incarnations of the same) care so deeply about it. It has a metaphysical quality that `move_mount(2)` or `open_tree(2)` do not posess. Something that can only be approached by a humbling and penitential act, like watching a youtube video of some dude blabbering for an hour." CreationDate="2020-04-18T11:08:02.730" UserDisplayName="user313992" />
  <row Id="10820" PostId="5549" Score="1" Text="@Uberhumus Questions that asks about _explaining concepts_ are harder to write in a way that attracts the wanted type of attention, while question that asks about _solving issues_ are easier to formulate." CreationDate="2020-04-22T06:53:09.900" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10821" PostId="5552" Score="0" Text="This seems similar to https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/q/791/117549" CreationDate="2020-04-26T19:29:27.790" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10822" PostId="5552" Score="2" Text="Historical perspective: the reasoning behind allowing downvotes was explained in this [stackoverflow.blog post](https://stackoverflow.blog/2009/03/09/the-value-of-downvoting-or-how-hacker-news-gets-it-wrong/)." CreationDate="2020-04-26T21:48:42.047" UserId="315749" />
  <row Id="10823" PostId="5552" Score="0" Text="https://meta.askubuntu.com/a/18146/158442" CreationDate="2020-04-27T01:04:42.087" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="10824" PostId="5552" Score="2" Text="Based on what I've read over time, mainly on meta.SE, I suspect people would flip your argument and ask &quot;why should we force users to only choose between taking the time to comment/engage with a poor post and doing nothing at all to contribute to the quality of these sites?&quot;" CreationDate="2020-04-27T09:52:57.920" UserId="315749" />
  <row Id="10825" PostId="5553" Score="0" Text="Sorry but I don't see (sic) that. First downvoting is based upon an individual opinion and is not **there for all to see**. Opinions vary, some vote up, and some vote down, so *all* are not seeing the same thing QED. Although you have in fact just provided me with the real answer to my question. I will wrap some words around it and post. Thank you.." CreationDate="2020-04-27T14:28:59.407" UserId="217629" />
  <row Id="10826" PostId="5555" Score="0" Text="If you delete the other one, sure." CreationDate="2020-04-28T08:23:27.230" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="10828" PostId="5555" Score="0" Text="It's now at https://unix.stackexchange.com/q/583060/5132 ." CreationDate="2020-04-28T10:50:41.707" UserId="5132" />
  <row Id="10829" PostId="5559" Score="0" Text="We are in essential agreement but from different viewpoints. As you say, &quot;Bad could mean anything&quot;, my main point all along was that the explanation is worth more than the vote. The need for balance in downvotes is agreed. PS. Am happy to see downvotes on my post. Discussion is good for the soul." CreationDate="2020-04-30T16:53:35.963" UserId="217629" />
  <row Id="10830" PostId="5559" Score="2" Text="@bu5hman people are free to add an explanation. Unfortunately, what often happens is that if you add an explanation, you are then targeted for revenge downvoting or for abusive comments. This is the main reason why nobody wants to make comments obligatory for downvotes. It just leads to a lot of drama. Personally, I almost always leave a comment, but I have more than enough rep to deal with the revenge voting and I'm a mod, so I have the tools to deal with drama. Other users do not." CreationDate="2020-04-30T17:18:07.667" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10831" PostId="5559" Score="0" Text="TBH I am in the same boat as you. I rarely downvote an answer (they tried and that's good) and I would rather leave a comment to help than &quot;hit and run&quot;. The 'drama' doesn't faze me. The rep doesn't faze me. More interested in learning what is was that was wrong. Have learned a lot on U&amp;L, mostly from good critique of what I have posted. It's a wise man who knows he doesn't know!" CreationDate="2020-04-30T17:33:50.683" UserId="217629" />
  <row Id="10832" PostId="5559" Score="1" Text="@bu5hman please don't do that. If an answer isn't good, it _needs_ to be downvoted. That's how the sites work. Comments aren't very visible and can be deleted without warning. If you see a bad answer and don't downvote because &quot;they tried&quot; you are actively harming the site. Leave a comment as well, if you like, but do downvote." CreationDate="2020-04-30T17:35:31.883" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10834" PostId="5559" Score="0" Text="After several years I just found pretty much the same advice in the guidelines. My bad. Why didn't someone push me there before??? That said, it remains an opinion poll unless a reason is there. The good thing about close voting on questions is that it forces you to think before you vote and encourages you to comment if no-one else has already made the issue you have seen. OP gets a chance to learn. Nuff said. Thanks for the feedback." CreationDate="2020-04-30T18:03:12.810" UserId="217629" />
  <row Id="10835" PostId="5559" Score="0" Text="@bu5hman bear in mind that the entire site is an opinion poll. That's how anything based on voting works, after all." CreationDate="2020-04-30T18:56:57.860" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10836" PostId="5559" Score="0" Text="It's not my site so ... it's not my place to opine (sic) on the intent. I see value in U&amp;L for the rational &quot;peer reviews&quot; more than just simple opinion, but that's just my own take-away." CreationDate="2020-04-30T19:18:18.207" UserId="217629" />
  <row Id="10837" PostId="5560" Score="0" Text="To be precise, I mean: in general people should vote a lot more, up, down, and also flag comments, that are no longer relevant (60%+). If many more people would down-vote bad answers, they would also quickly get the points they lost voting down back, which I believe is a reason why down-voting is less frequent than it should be." CreationDate="2020-05-02T03:13:30.093" UserId="127903" />
  <row Id="10844" PostId="5562" Score="2" Text="Do both answers provide a useful solution? Does one complement the other? Are they completely different? Was the original answer wrong?" CreationDate="2020-05-05T09:27:52.117" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10847" PostId="5564" Score="0" Text="I think Tim is asking about posting his own question elsewhere, not somebody else's. Also, nice to see you around these parts! :)" CreationDate="2020-05-05T13:02:19.473" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10848" PostId="5564" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the welcome and the clarification - it wasn't really clear from the initial version." CreationDate="2020-05-05T13:15:51.323" UserId="111051" />
  <row Id="10850" PostId="5562" Score="0" Text="@terdon The first one got downvoted without feedback. In a personal note, I have to say that I still don't handle well downvotes. I get insecure and afraid of new downvotes, I tend to delete them. They don't complement each other, they are completely different. The first was wrong? I'm not sure to be honest, maybe it's not *wrong* but just *bad*. It surely could have been better." CreationDate="2020-05-05T14:58:50.470" UserId="338177" />
  <row Id="10851" PostId="5562" Score="0" Text="@terdon The first answer also was very similar to other posted, so I took the challenge of posting a new approach, thinking in the likes of &quot;well, my answer is not welcomed, and it's similar to others. Doesn't really add anything useful. Let's try something different.&quot;" CreationDate="2020-05-05T15:07:17.670" UserId="338177" />
  <row Id="10852" PostId="5562" Score="0" Text="Related: [Is it OK to write a new answer after I deleted a downvoted one earlier on?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/293023/260388)" CreationDate="2020-05-05T16:22:59.503" UserId="66803" />
  <row Id="10853" PostId="5560" Score="2" Text="Absolutely. Especially since users with the [relevant privilege](https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/privileges/moderator-tools) (&gt;=20k rep) can only vote to delete answers that are negatively scored. So downvoting is the only way to allow voting to delete." CreationDate="2020-05-06T11:37:16.030" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10854" PostId="5567" Score="0" Text="In their answer to the question you link to, Shog9 says &quot;not banned&quot;. Now, &quot;not banned&quot; is not the same as &quot;acceptable&quot;, only possibly &quot;tolerated&quot;, as in &quot;please don't&quot;. I'm not turning this into an answer myself as I don't have further insight into this policy." CreationDate="2020-05-11T17:53:33.120" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10855" PostId="5568" Score="5" Text="I agree that a URL shortener has almost no useful purpose here, other than obscuring the eventual target, which is ... not good." CreationDate="2020-05-11T18:08:47.950" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10856" PostId="5569" Score="0" Text="Have a look through https://unix.stackexchange.com/search?q=deleted%3Ayes" CreationDate="2020-05-12T17:41:11.153" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="10857" PostId="5570" Score="0" Text="I have read it in full and multiple times at this point. I mentioned it only for historical reasons, and as far as I know I have not ran afoul of those rules since it was brought to my attention as it was never done purposefully or with any intention of spamming these forums.&#xA;&#xA;Regardless I am still dealing with some fall out for one reason or another." CreationDate="2020-05-12T18:25:01.540" UserId="393552" />
  <row Id="10858" PostId="5570" Score="1" Text="It does look like those answers were deleted after being downvoted. As you can imagine, people react strongly to spam around here, and downvoting is one way to get rid of it. Since your posts aren't actually spam, if you can rework them to stay inside the guidelines, they stand a chance of being un-downvoted and/or up-voted. Please take care to explain how the OP would use the project (download/install/configure/run) to solve their problem, as well as claim affiliation." CreationDate="2020-05-12T18:37:45.253" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10859" PostId="5570" Score="0" Text="I don't mind reworking them one bit, if the visibility to them could be restored for me, but I am assuming they were deleted over 60 days ago and I no longer have the ability to see that far back myself.&#xA;&#xA;My project/app has even become much easier to configure/explain, and so I was actually looking to go back and update a number of posts &amp; have actually updated some, but not all, on other exchange forums. I was awfully verbose in some of my posts, so much of that was going to go away with the simpler revisions." CreationDate="2020-05-12T19:18:26.207" UserId="393552" />
  <row Id="10860" PostId="5570" Score="0" Text="Great! I admit I don't have a full grasp on all the details of the S.E. UI, so I wasn't sure if you could see them or not. If you go to your profile, then go to the textbox towards the top that contains &quot;user:393552&quot; and you append (space) and &quot;deleted:yes&quot; does that help? They were indeed deleted more than 60 days ago.  Or, [one](https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/10721/copy-pasting-in-gnome-terminal/566192#566192) and [two](https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/114392/copy-paste-in-a-terminal-without-shift/566184#566184)." CreationDate="2020-05-12T20:59:49.417" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10861" PostId="5570" Score="0" Text="Thank you for providing those links, as they indeed do not show up for me even when I search for them using those parameters you mention. I will attempt to revise those 2 posts.&#xA;&#xA;Surprisingly they were both short responses lol. I think I was demoralized at the time from having criticisms on my verbosity around the time I had posted those, not in these forums but over at askubuntu. I'll be more concise though in the revisions, assuming they go through ok." CreationDate="2020-05-13T00:20:16.867" UserId="393552" />
  <row Id="10862" PostId="5570" Score="0" Text="The 2 posts are both locked, so apparently I cannot revise them :/. One of them definitely needs mentioning of xkeysnail and the other.. well I could take the ego out of it no doubt and provide a little more info. Since those posts I've also learned to never link to the shorter url of my own project and just use the github link. Seems to trigger the automated system, whether people think I properly disclosed my affiliation or not, which of course I make sure is clear now." CreationDate="2020-05-13T00:26:30.587" UserId="393552" />
  <row Id="10863" PostId="5570" Score="0" Text="My apologies for not seeing it earlier; they *were* locked; I've now unlocked them. Please feel free to ping me here again after your edits, so that I can review them and clear the existing flags. Thanks!" CreationDate="2020-05-13T01:41:21.483" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10865" PostId="5553" Score="0" Text="@PhilipCouling I'm using the same argument of the OP. That's why _it is simplistic_. Claiming that mine is simplistic is simply missing the point, that OP argument is flawed and lacks nuance." CreationDate="2020-05-16T11:33:25.340" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="10866" PostId="5553" Score="0" Text="I'll rephrase... I wholly disagree that down-voting has anything to do with information to noise ratio.  However your answer doesn't really describe the link between down-voting and information to noise ratio.  This answer might be more convincing if you could elaborate on the link." CreationDate="2020-05-16T12:35:23.887" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="10867" PostId="5553" Score="0" Text="... Further, not seeing the value in something is a really bad reason to assertively down-vote.  Much better to passively ignore.  The answer may have been based on the OP's own words (hard to corroborate now) but that doesn't give them automatic credit as being &quot;right&quot;." CreationDate="2020-05-16T12:42:51.220" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="10868" PostId="5553" Score="0" Text="@PhilipCouling I recommend you reading [Why voting is important?](https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/why-vote) on the help center. It should refresh your knowledge about what is voting used for." CreationDate="2020-05-16T12:49:15.457" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="10869" PostId="5553" Score="0" Text="@Braiam Funnily enough I have. `voting down a post signals the opposite: that the post contains wrong information, is poorly researched, or fails to communicate information`.  That is extremely different from &quot;because we don't see any value...&quot;.  The premise of this answer (the OPs words) remain incorrect in my opinion." CreationDate="2020-05-16T12:53:41.603" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="10870" PostId="5553" Score="0" Text="@PhilipCouling incorrect information has no value, or does it? If you are trying to find the answer to a question, having the wrong answer would not be useful (unless you naively arrive to that one, in which case it's more important to know why naivety fails). BTW, answers that aren't even *wrong* get deleted, not downvoted. ;)" CreationDate="2020-05-16T19:23:43.907" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="10871" PostId="5553" Score="0" Text="@Braiam that's actually my point. Posts that are wrong might be of negative value, but **not all posts of low value are wrong**. It's the low value posts which do not fit your linked definition that concern me.  Down voting simply because *you don't see* the value in a post would be against the guidelines you linked." CreationDate="2020-05-16T20:54:02.450" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="10872" PostId="5553" Score="0" Text="@PhilipCouling low value is a catch all for all the undesirable posts. Lets put another example: a correct post, that is literally repeating the same that another answer is saying, is that useful? Does it has value? How about two answers that are not incorrect, they are the same but one of them goes more in deep in the topic, does they have the same value?" CreationDate="2020-05-17T14:35:30.310" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="10873" PostId="5573" Score="0" Text="I believe with the [&quot;recent&quot; redesign of network sites](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4902/new-site-theme-coming-soon), I believe this is in-common behavior across sites. So far on Meta, I've found a 2009 post - https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/7441/can-and-should-more-be-done-to-encourage-users-to-search-first-and-ask-only-if, but there may be something more recent." CreationDate="2020-05-20T12:47:32.457" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10874" PostId="5573" Score="0" Text="https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/319274/responsive-design-themes-what-can-sites-customize-and-how-can-they-get-changes from 2018 hints at the layout being &quot;fixed&quot; -- not customizable per-site. Does that answer your question?" CreationDate="2020-05-20T12:51:08.307" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10875" PostId="5573" Score="0" Text="As far as I can tell, while the &quot;Similar questions&quot; box is updated as long as you type, it doesn't cause the page to scroll or the text cursor to move, nor its height is altered depending on its content (Firefox on Linux, here). The cursor moving to the title field sounds like a bug. Are you also saying that the &quot;Similar question&quot; box pushes the rest of the page down _when it is refreshed_ (i.e. not just when it appears for the first time)?" CreationDate="2020-05-20T13:04:56.180" UserId="315749" />
  <row Id="10876" PostId="5573" Score="0" Text="@fra-san I am not sure. The problems I described happen when It is automatically refreshed" CreationDate="2020-05-20T14:22:32.817" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="10877" PostId="5573" Score="0" Text="The only thing I've been able to reproduce: if the title field is left empty and you start filling in the body or tag sections, the &quot;Similar questions&quot; box only appears after a considerable delay, pushing down the text area while you're writing in it. But this only happens once, when the &quot;Similar questions&quot; box is drawn; nothing moves around afterwards. I don't think it would be considered a design issue, and it may even be intended." CreationDate="2020-05-20T21:28:38.480" UserId="315749" />
  <row Id="10878" PostId="5575" Score="1" Text="&quot;Yesterday&quot; was only about 50 minutes ago, UTC time. Could that explain the situation?" CreationDate="2020-05-25T00:50:45.977" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10879" PostId="5575" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller I suppose it does. I feel like that places a burden on the user to know what UTC is and how it applies to where they live. I feel the more intuitive solution is to have activity time stamped relative to the users local time. Thanks for the explanation." CreationDate="2020-05-25T01:19:13.543" UserId="246621" />
  <row Id="10880" PostId="5575" Score="0" Text="Clicking on the trophy achievement icon uncovers the site's current time, in case it helps." CreationDate="2020-05-25T01:46:02.137" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10881" PostId="5561" Score="0" Text="I can't repro this, here or on any other site. You can do this whenever you want? It sometimes happens and sometimes does not? Are you on a mobile device or a device with high latency? Happening to anyone else?" CreationDate="2020-05-25T08:35:09.533" UserId="392914" />
  <row Id="10882" PostId="5575" Score="0" Text="@Niko_Jako if you had the time different for every user, it would be impossible to communicate anything to do with the time something happened on the site since everyone would need to translate to some other time zone. This way, _all_ times across all pages of the network are always on UTC so everyone has the exact same timestamp. It really simplifies things." CreationDate="2020-05-25T11:31:43.820" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10883" PostId="5575" Score="0" Text="...and translating &quot;to some other time zone&quot; may even be impossible: users may want not to disclose their own time zones and the system isn't able to reliably infer a user's time zone in order to suggest other users how to translate time designations." CreationDate="2020-05-25T12:40:57.283" UserId="315749" />
  <row Id="10884" PostId="5561" Score="0" Text="It happens randomly (that I'm aware of), here and in askubuntu wich are the sites I use often. I have no control over it. This happens in my desktop pc, with debian buster and firefox 76. It doesn't seem that anyone is facing the same issue, at least not the audience of this post." CreationDate="2020-05-25T23:43:54.017" UserId="338177" />
  <row Id="10885" PostId="5577" Score="2" Text="You might want to check if the user is using any userscripts that is calling `StackExchange.question.fullInit()`, since that causes the follow link to trigger twice, once to follow and immediately unfollow after." CreationDate="2020-05-26T09:17:42.953" UserId="414594" />
  <row Id="10886" PostId="5561" Score="0" Text="See my answer and the comment below it from SamuelLiew - using any userscripts?" CreationDate="2020-05-26T09:22:15.147" UserId="392914" />
  <row Id="10887" PostId="5577" Score="0" Text="Closely related to what @SamuelLiew reports, I've also seen similar double AJAX call issues on other UI elements when `StackExchange.question.init()` is called by a userscript, in at least some instances. However, I haven't specifically looked at if it affects follow/following." CreationDate="2020-05-26T10:09:20.063" UserId="95065" />
  <row Id="10888" PostId="5577" Score="0" Text="@Makyen I just found out that `init()` calls `fullInit()` under the hood, for logged-in users, so it makes no difference, and that any userscript using either functions need to rethink whether it is really necessary to call this function." CreationDate="2020-05-27T07:16:22.813" UserId="414594" />
  <row Id="10889" PostId="5577" Score="1" Text="Also, on any page that calls `init` or `fullInit` more than once, you get the above error when following any post. Since the function is already used by the site itself, no userscript should be using this." CreationDate="2020-05-27T07:17:34.203" UserId="414594" />
  <row Id="10890" PostId="5578" Score="0" Text="The answer will almost certainly be caching. Presumably, the chat profile is only updated periodically to avoid spamming the SE servers with API requests. You can usually find the answer here: https://shouldiblamecaching.com/ (this is a joke)." CreationDate="2020-05-28T13:50:40.460" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10891" PostId="5561" Score="0" Text="@YaakovEllis Thanks for your time. No, no userscripts. I'll check your answer and let you know any news." CreationDate="2020-05-29T13:49:21.610" UserId="338177" />
  <row Id="10892" PostId="5580" Score="0" Text="There's [su] also. Linux is on-topic there too. *Confusion Intensifies*" CreationDate="2020-05-30T05:57:42.753" UserId="322920" />
  <row Id="10893" PostId="5579" Score="0" Text="Cross site exact duplicate on [meta.ubuntu.se]: [Where is best to ask my Linux-related question?](https://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/19101/where-is-best-to-ask-my-linux-related-question)" CreationDate="2020-05-30T05:59:13.767" UserId="322920" />
  <row Id="10894" PostId="5579" Score="1" Text="Yeah I asked the same thing in all 3, too see what each site said." CreationDate="2020-05-30T06:25:54.143" UserId="414846" />
  <row Id="10895" PostId="5580" Score="2" Text="@Kulfy There doesn't need to be any confusion. If you want your Linux question answered by people who also deal with Windows and more broad questions, then ask on SuperUser. If you want your Linux question seen by Unix-y people only, then ask here." CreationDate="2020-05-30T06:35:38.220" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10896" PostId="5581" Score="2" Text="Off the cuff, I wonder if the [tag:audio] tag covers volume." CreationDate="2020-05-30T16:22:50.937" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10897" PostId="5581" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller Indeed, maybe there is just not enough demand for a tag specific to the volume aspect." CreationDate="2020-05-30T16:31:38.420" UserId="32191" />
  <row Id="10898" PostId="5581" Score="0" Text="Sounds like a pretty clear case of a [meta tag](https://stackoverflow.blog/2010/08/07/the-death-of-meta-tags/). I'd be more inclined to delete the tag entirely." CreationDate="2020-05-30T16:33:33.097" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10899" PostId="5581" Score="0" Text="@terdon I have read the linked article and my assessment is that those arguments affect neither meaning of volume. But `volume` may be completely covered by the tag `filesystems`." CreationDate="2020-05-30T16:38:38.267" UserId="32191" />
  <row Id="10900" PostId="5581" Score="1" Text="@HaukeLaging the point is that `volume` alone is too ambiguous, so isn't a good tag. As you correctly point out, it can be used for audio volume or filesystem volume, that's why I don't think it's a useful tag at all. If we want a tag for filesystem volumes, then I think `filesystem-volume` would be a better choice." CreationDate="2020-05-30T16:39:45.843" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10901" PostId="5582" Score="0" Text="I agree with the renaming of `volume` to `filesystem-volume` as it appears if you type `volume`. Should not be a problem and just improve the sutiation. As `audio` is an &quot;ignore tag&quot; for me I do not have an opinion whether `audio-volume` would be justified beside `audio`. In general I would argue that it is precise and does not hurt, thus in case of doubt I would rather have it than not." CreationDate="2020-05-30T16:44:44.480" UserId="32191" />
  <row Id="10902" PostId="5582" Score="5" Text="1) I'm not sure whether it's safe to assume that &quot;fileystem&quot; applies to any [tag:storage-volume] - e.g. an LVM volume used as swap space. (Right offhand I'm not sure [tag:storage-volume] would be safe either). 2) Wouldn't [tag:audio-volume] as a synonym for [tag:audio] be useful to nudge question askers towards an existing tag and reduce the odds of [tag:volume] being re-created?" CreationDate="2020-05-30T17:07:03.043" UserId="315749" />
  <row Id="10903" PostId="5578" Score="0" Text="Interestingly, while the flair image is updated [every 24-36 hours](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/315442/10488700) and the (data behind the) chat profile page is updated [hourly](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/95424/410681), I'm still seeing 999 bronze badges in the former and 997 on the latter (surely not because of my local cache and likely not even because of IP-based server-side cache (if any))." CreationDate="2020-05-30T22:24:26.667" UserId="315749" />
  <row Id="10904" PostId="5578" Score="0" Text="@fra-san I noticed the same thing, but forcing a local refresh updated the value on the chat profile, so it appears this *is* due to a local cache." CreationDate="2020-05-31T12:09:57.037" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="10905" PostId="5578" Score="0" Text="@StephenKitt I can't reproduce it anymore (I see you at 1000 everywhere now), but I'm quite sure I've seen 997 bronze badges both using a fresh browser session and requesting a screenshot of your chat profile to an online service (trying to also rule out a server-side caching issue)." CreationDate="2020-05-31T13:08:39.713" UserId="315749" />
  <row Id="10906" PostId="5578" Score="0" Text="@fra-san right, so it would appear that there are both server-side and local caches." CreationDate="2020-05-31T13:26:56.830" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="10907" PostId="5583" Score="0" Text="Any chance there are multiple follow buttons in that case, one seen by the user and one seen by the javascript?" CreationDate="2020-05-31T14:15:25.420" UserId="45328" />
  <row Id="10908" PostId="5583" Score="0" Text="@JohnDvorak Sorry, I refreshed the page trying to reproduce it again. I haven't seen any duplicate buttons. There were also no errors in the console." CreationDate="2020-05-31T14:17:41.917" UserId="66452" />
  <row Id="10909" PostId="5583" Score="0" Text="When you select by ID, only one element gets returned. If you have a duplicate element, the selector has to pick one, and it might prefer the invisible one." CreationDate="2020-05-31T14:19:57.647" UserId="45328" />
  <row Id="10910" PostId="5583" Score="0" Text="@JohnDvorak I reproduced it again. I executed `$('#btnFollowPost-62117063').length` and it says there is only 1" CreationDate="2020-05-31T14:31:22.300" UserId="66452" />
  <row Id="10911" PostId="5583" Score="0" Text="Of course. That's the one thing that can't ever return more than one element. Try `$(&quot;*#...&quot;)`" CreationDate="2020-05-31T14:38:17.630" UserId="45328" />
  <row Id="10912" PostId="5583" Score="0" Text="@JohnDvorak I tried it few different ways. There is only one element I can find. I am not willing to spend too much time debugging this. I posted on MSE instead https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/348704/follow-button-glitches-when-a-new-answer-is-loaded-up-via-ajax" CreationDate="2020-05-31T14:55:42.547" UserId="66452" />
  <row Id="10913" PostId="5583" Score="0" Text="Good idea. Let me suggest linking this question from there." CreationDate="2020-05-31T14:56:49.637" UserId="45328" />
  <row Id="10914" PostId="5581" Score="0" Text="I really don't see any point in having a tag for either of those. They are perfectly covered by their filesystem (xfs, btrfs, ext, etc.) and audio manager tags (pulseaudio, alsa, jack(?))." CreationDate="2020-05-31T15:54:58.810" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="10915" PostId="5582" Score="0" Text="I have created `audio-volume` and changed the tag in the audio questions. I prefer fra-san's `storage-volume` over `filesystem-volume`. I guess only a moderator can rename a tag. I was just a bit surprised that there is a tag `storage` which includes RAM..." CreationDate="2020-05-31T21:40:31.983" UserId="32191" />
  <row Id="10916" PostId="5582" Score="0" Text="Should there be an alias to [audio-volume] with the name [sound-volume]?" CreationDate="2020-06-01T08:49:30.847" UserId="186590" />
  <row Id="10917" PostId="5582" Score="0" Text="@fra-san 1) yes, good point. I guess `storage-volume` is a better choice. 2) again, good point, a synonym does make sense." CreationDate="2020-06-01T08:54:08.377" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10918" PostId="5580" Score="1" Text="The basic point to learn is that Stack Exchange is not divided up by _topic_.  It is divided up by _audience_.   So the decision is whether one wants one's question _read, and potentially answered, by_ programmers, by &quot;power users&quot;, by Ubuntu users, by general Unix and Linux-based operating system users, or indeed by bioinformatics people.  (-:" CreationDate="2020-06-01T11:52:51.053" UserId="5132" />
  <row Id="10919" PostId="5582" Score="0" Text="I agree with most of this answer (blacklisting [tag:volume] based on ambiguity). I don't know off-hand if we have a tag &quot;vacuum&quot; for filesystems or audio; we already have quite a few tags..." CreationDate="2020-06-01T19:45:33.987" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10920" PostId="5578" Score="0" Text="@StephenKitt your network silver medals are 888 now" CreationDate="2020-06-02T12:13:23.490" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="10921" PostId="5578" Score="0" Text="@Tim so they are!" CreationDate="2020-06-02T12:23:01.333" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="10922" PostId="5577" Score="0" Text="@SamuelLiew As with most things, a blanket statement isn't accurate. If a userscript should use those functions depends on what it's doing. Some userscripts should be using them; most shouldn't be using them. Some userscripts might even choose to prevent the page from using those function and choose to only permit the userscript to make calls to those functions. What can and should be said is that there are potential side-effects from those functions being called more than once while certain elements exist in the DOM. Any script which uses those functions needs to be aware of the issues." CreationDate="2020-06-03T04:41:47.820" UserId="95065" />
  <row Id="10923" PostId="5584" Score="0" Text="An anonymous down-vote. LOL. Thanks! Thanks for reminding me &quot;It's just StackExchange&quot;." CreationDate="2020-06-06T00:23:42.003" UserId="416236" />
  <row Id="10924" PostId="5584" Score="3" Text="Voting is anonymous by design, just like voting in general should be. See also the following recent Q/A here: https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5552/why-do-we-have-downvotes" CreationDate="2020-06-06T06:53:31.937" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10925" PostId="5584" Score="1" Text="Voting is not in general anonymous, only in popular elections. Legislatures and courts do not vote anonymously. That is for purposes of accountability. It would better for down-voting adhere to the reasons &quot;that the post contains wrong information, is poorly researched, or fails to communicate information&quot; as stated in the link you provided." CreationDate="2020-06-06T11:54:24.083" UserId="416236" />
  <row Id="10926" PostId="5586" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the explanation. I understand about the risk of retaliation. Perhaps the site could have a feature whereby an anonymous explanation could be given. I am sure that most participants are more interested in the reason for a down-vote rather than who it is from." CreationDate="2020-06-06T14:28:53.040" UserId="416236" />
  <row Id="10927" PostId="5587" Score="0" Text="Thanks. I see that my answer was not good, and I will use the @username tag to request a response. But I feel the questioner should have replied to my offer to delete the answer. My concern was, that it would be shown as having been answered, which might cause people to skip over it." CreationDate="2020-06-06T14:51:48.353" UserId="416236" />
  <row Id="10928" PostId="5586" Score="2" Text="@orylis people do give explanations sometimes. The general consensus, however, over many years is that they shouldn't be required. Just like they aren't for upvotes. You can see many of these discussions in the links I provided in the answer." CreationDate="2020-06-06T14:52:16.140" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10929" PostId="5587" Score="2" Text="@orylis the asker was probably not even aware of your comment, for the reasons mentioned. And it isn't up to them to tell you to delete! That said, personally I would delete the answer, yes, since as explained it doesn't really answer the question. As for being answered, don't worry, a question is only considered answered if it has an _upvoted_ answer." CreationDate="2020-06-06T14:53:58.857" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10930" PostId="5587" Score="1" Text="@orylis and a question being considered answered is no deterrent to posting a different answer. It's perfectly fine to post an answer that tackles the same problem in a different way, or an updated way, or the same way but explained differently... sometimes years after the question was originally posted." CreationDate="2020-06-07T13:49:57.993" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="10931" PostId="5586" Score="0" Text="... and unfortunately sometimes the hounding doesn’t stop at the SE network’s boundaries :-(." CreationDate="2020-06-08T15:33:41.763" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="10932" PostId="5584" Score="0" Text="Thank you for voicing your concerns. I assure you that there are countless victims like you. More people need to speak up against the abuses." CreationDate="2020-06-09T01:03:09.270" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="10933" PostId="5587" Score="0" Text="@muru Good to know. I had been looking only at questions without any posted answers, but I see it would be good to read the others also." CreationDate="2020-06-09T12:16:57.743" UserId="416236" />
  <row Id="10934" PostId="5584" Score="0" Text="@Tim It was worth losing all my points to ask the question. terdon was very kind. Six downvotes on one answer does seem like piling on. I reckon people clicked over there from the meta discussion and down-voted. I have to wonder whether they really felt compelled to weigh in on the technical issue, or were just trying to send a message." CreationDate="2020-06-09T13:17:21.327" UserId="416236" />
  <row Id="10935" PostId="5580" Score="2" Text="@Kulfy I think it would go like: Do you have **computer**? Yes: **SU** will accept, Let be somewhat specific: Are you running **Unix-like** or GNU/Linux operating system? Yes: **U&amp;L** would work best. Let be more specific: Looking for technical support from **Ubuntu**? Yes: go for **AU**. Let be even more specific: Are you dealing with **code**? Yes: go to **SO**." CreationDate="2020-06-10T06:23:28.027" UserId="66803" />
  <row Id="10936" PostId="5580" Score="0" Text="@Pandya Need to design a processor from scratch? Yes: go to [**EE**](https://electronics.stackexchange.com/) (actually don't, come to think about it)" CreationDate="2020-06-10T07:33:35.483" UserId="145426" />
  <row Id="10937" PostId="5580" Score="2" Text="@Pandya Do you have computer? Is it too old? Yes: [retrocomputing.se]. Looking for Macintosh? Yes: [apple.se] :)" CreationDate="2020-06-11T07:40:04.817" UserId="322920" />
  <row Id="10938" PostId="5580" Score="0" Text="@Kulfy Haha! :)" CreationDate="2020-06-11T18:12:51.607" UserId="66803" />
  <row Id="10939" PostId="5589" Score="3" Text="Appreciate the heads up @muru - ty" CreationDate="2020-06-11T18:41:19.060" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="10940" PostId="5591" Score="1" Text="Posted [here](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/346423/295232) on the main Meta." CreationDate="2020-06-18T07:52:42.090" UserId="111051" />
  <row Id="10942" PostId="5591" Score="6" Text="That's not necessary, other U&amp;L users will face the same problem and they might not visit Meta.SE either." CreationDate="2020-06-18T07:58:05.687" UserId="111051" />
  <row Id="10943" PostId="5591" Score="1" Text="OK, I will keep this question open as well. thanks again" CreationDate="2020-06-18T08:05:29.293" UserId="72456" />
  <row Id="10946" PostId="5594" Score="1" Text="Also: 1) This also affects nested code blocks and paragraphs that are part of a list item and follow a blank line. 2) Nested code blocks may show a subtler issue: the next edit may make some white space appear at the beginning of lines ([this post of yours](https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/88072/315749) is an example). 3) An unfortunate thing to keep in mind in case of posts edited by someone else: all revisions' HTML is generated [by the new renderer](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/348746/were-switching-to-commonmark?cb=1#comment1167209_348795) - the post's old look is likely lost." CreationDate="2020-06-28T22:37:16.130" UserId="315749" />
  <row Id="10947" PostId="5598" Score="1" Text="True, and in these obvious cases I do vote to close. There are other cases where I find it difficult to see what's missing, and then I tend to assume it might be difficult for the OP, too, to figure that out. It may be best to skip in such cases, though." CreationDate="2020-07-01T13:42:53.030" UserId="377345" />
  <row Id="10948" PostId="5598" Score="2" Text="@AdminBee I think the only &quot;good&quot; solution to that is to leave a comment yourself. It's a pain, I know, but &quot;leave open&quot; isn't good either, we need some way of telling the OP there's a problem. I feel a bit strange telling you, of all people this, you tend to leave particularly clear, comprehensive and helpful comments. So just do your thing! :)" CreationDate="2020-07-01T13:49:05.543" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10949" PostId="5598" Score="0" Text="I see. I think you are right; leaving the question open is often not the right choice. I will try to comment whenever possible and rather skip than leave open if I can't tell myself what might be wrong with the question." CreationDate="2020-07-01T14:04:25.103" UserId="377345" />
  <row Id="10950" PostId="5598" Score="0" Text="@AdminBee ah, hang on, that's different. If the question seems fine to you, if it makes sense and seems answerable with the information provided, then you _should_ click on &quot;leave open&quot;! Absolutely. I thought you were talking about questions that were not clear, that _did_ need more details but nobody had explained to the OP exactly what details are missing. If the question seems fine to you, by all means click on &quot;leave open&quot;!" CreationDate="2020-07-01T14:13:29.067" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10951" PostId="5598" Score="1" Text="I guess one of the problems is that a question may look ok to me simply because I am not knowledgeble enough in the field to recognize its deficits. I assume this would be the use case for the &quot;skip&quot; button. So perhaps the way for close-voted questions without clarification requests it: If you know what is wrong, comment and &quot;close&quot;; if you know nothing is wrong, &quot;leave open&quot;, and if you don't know the field enough to make the call, &quot;skip&quot; ... ?" CreationDate="2020-07-01T14:26:22.317" UserId="377345" />
  <row Id="10952" PostId="5598" Score="0" Text="@AdminBee sounds exactly right, yes. And not only for such questions, that should apply to any review: if you know enough to make an informed decision, vote one way or the other, and if you don't, skip." CreationDate="2020-07-01T15:23:42.933" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10953" PostId="5600" Score="0" Text="One more answer from a moderator suggesting to copy/adjust answers found on other (SE, in this case) sites: https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/a/2813/315749" CreationDate="2020-07-02T18:04:53.930" UserId="315749" />
  <row Id="10954" PostId="5600" Score="3" Text="Also here:[How do we feel about copying answers from other SE sites?](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/q/1396)." CreationDate="2020-07-02T18:26:47.663" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10955" PostId="5600" Score="0" Text="I'm inclined to agree with terdon's reference to [slm's answer](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/a/1397/117549) here (and their [subsequent answer](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/a/2813/117549) a year later, via fra-san)" CreationDate="2020-07-08T15:21:30.933" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10956" PostId="5600" Score="0" Text="@plumo, please let me know if you agree with closing this as a duplicate of the linked Q's" CreationDate="2020-07-08T16:04:46.463" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10957" PostId="5602" Score="0" Text="I have now converted that question to a comment." CreationDate="2020-07-08T17:26:56.700" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10958" PostId="5600" Score="0" Text="I agree. Thanks!" CreationDate="2020-07-08T18:37:48.687" UserId="236063" />
  <row Id="10959" PostId="4694" Score="0" Text="Just a tiny side note: whatever the (future) course of action, choosing a tag that overlaps with other container technologies (Docker, Virtuozzo/OpenVZ,.…) like &quot;Linux container&quot; should be avoided." CreationDate="2020-07-09T11:21:13.933" UserId="130166" />
  <row Id="10960" PostId="4694" Score="0" Text="@benaryorg you should definitely be more specific. Docker started out with liblxc. It later acquired its own library &quot;backend&quot; and has taken ages to learn the trick of running an unprivileged container. LXC 1.x could do it! So the overlap with Docker would be marginal. Or do you mean the overlap of the term container in conjunction with Linux? Because, sorry to be the bearer of bad news, [but you're almost 12 years too late](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LXC). Perhaps, though, the project itself recognized this and has since preferred LCX over &quot;Linux Containers&quot; (original project name)?" CreationDate="2020-07-09T16:14:46.453" UserId="5462" />
  <row Id="10961" PostId="5603" Score="3" Text="Quick answer: this is the course of action. Exactly what you did: posting a calm, constructive question on meta. Thank you! I hope G-Man will answer since obviously they're best placed to explain their rationale. If not, I will try and post something later myself." CreationDate="2020-07-10T11:41:36.080" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="10962" PostId="5603" Score="4" Text="I don't have a complete picture yet, but one quick comment to reviewers/approvers: if the initial edit is in the right direction, &quot;approve and edit&quot; instead of &quot;reject and edit&quot; so that it sends the right message back to the initial editor." CreationDate="2020-07-10T12:00:13.477" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="10963" PostId="5603" Score="10" Text="[&quot;behaviour&quot;](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/behaviour) is very much **not** a spelling mistake! In the second case, they definitely should have used &quot;Accept + edit&quot;, like Jeff says. For the rest, the canned reject reason says &quot;_completely_ superfluous&quot;, but e.g. the note when suggesting an edit says &quot;try to make the post _substantially_ better&quot;. There's some gray area between those, and not everyone is too happy to see very minor edit suggestions. They're not totally free: they take time from reviewers and pop up the question in the front page, possibly taking focus from other posts." CreationDate="2020-07-11T00:57:42.207" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="10964" PostId="5603" Score="2" Text="Good question, keep it up!." CreationDate="2020-07-11T05:18:50.587" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="10965" PostId="5604" Score="0" Text="in `!i++`, the increment of `i` happens after the value `!i` has been used, so Gilles et al is correct, the _increment of the value in the variable_ happens after the application of `!`.  You can test this with `awk 'BEGIN { i=0; print !i++; print i }'` which prints `1` and `1`. The first `1` is from printing `!0` and the second is from printing the incremented value (`i` is incremented after the value is used to calculate `!i`)." CreationDate="2020-07-11T07:31:10.253" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10967" PostId="5604" Score="0" Text="[Read and understand](https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/597501/232326). There is no way in which `(!i)++` could be a valid operation (in any language). So, the `++` **must** be applied first: `!(i++)`. @Kusalananda" CreationDate="2020-07-11T07:56:05.240" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="10968" PostId="5604" Score="0" Text="The correct description must be: The value in a memory location (of the variable being used (or the lvalue used)) is incremented first as the `++` operator is applied (both in pre and post increments). The value used to carry on the rest of operations (the rvalue that results from the application of ++) is different in pre-increment and post-increment. In post (the example in the question) the value used for the rest of the expression is the value before the increment. But in any case, the **++ operator** must be applied first. The `++` operator has **two** outputs !!. @Kusalananda No comment?" CreationDate="2020-07-11T08:10:33.810" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="10971" PostId="5604" Score="0" Text="You are correct that the post-increment operator has &quot;two outputs&quot;. Can you suggest edits to the relevant answers that, in your view, clarifies them?" CreationDate="2020-07-11T08:14:15.330" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10972" PostId="5603" Score="0" Text="@ilkkachu it seems you are right about behaviour. Sorry about that. Also, as you can see, in the first edit the answer is so me minuscule that any edits can't be *substantially better* at least without changing the answer. In general, I do try improving a post as much as I can, but it's not always possible. Maybe you are right. Perhaps I should only improve a post when I can do so significantly. In any case, I'll make sure to keep your last point in mind when editing in the future." CreationDate="2020-07-11T08:14:18.447" UserId="360892" />
  <row Id="10973" PostId="5604" Score="0" Text="I deleted the comment that you just replied to because I misunderstood what you meant by &quot;applied first&quot;. This was before you added your longer explanation. We simply talked about different things, i.e. you talked about one of the outputs of `++`, I thought you meant the other." CreationDate="2020-07-11T08:15:15.920" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10974" PostId="5604" Score="0" Text="You are jumping to conclusions: the end result of the operation. The steps to make that expression reach one value or other is what is being asked and what should be clarified. Yes, I have planned to write an answer, but that is not what is being asked here." CreationDate="2020-07-11T08:16:42.693" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="10975" PostId="5604" Score="1" Text="I just wanted to what you thought was the technical issues with the answers. Without clarifying what the technical issue is and how it should be corrected, it's difficult to suggest what should be done.  Here, it seems it's simply a matter of clarifying in which order the operations in `!a[$0]++` happens and what values are affected by each. Doing this without adding to the confusion would be good. Adding yet another view in another answer my be confusing, so I would suggest editing the given answer." CreationDate="2020-07-11T08:22:31.273" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="10976" PostId="5604" Score="0" Text="@Kusalananda I believe that I did a pretty good job both in my linked answer and in the limited space of a comment of explaining the technical issue of dealing with the **two** outputs of `++`. There is no way in which you could understand that `++` has a lower precedence than `!`. What gets very confusing is that everyone choose one  output of `++` and defend his/her position of having chosen the *correct* one to explain the end result. Again,  the operator order is set (in stone) in the operator precedence table. The how that leads to the final result is what needs clarifying (both answers)." CreationDate="2020-07-11T08:31:30.367" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="10977" PostId="5604" Score="0" Text="But the question here is: why do we choose to retain a conflicting answer over a new (maybe better) one. @Kusalananda" CreationDate="2020-07-11T08:32:20.230" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="10979" PostId="5603" Score="1" Text="@Rayleigh, now, I'm not sure what the best course of action is re. minor edits (and can't speak for others as to why they review like they do). But what I mentioned is one possible factor that can affect it. I feel your pain too, I sometimes see posts in the HNQ with confusing titles or other lack of clarity, and post a (in my opinion) well-thought and well-explained edit, just to get it rejected for &quot;does not improve/conflicts with author's intent&quot;." CreationDate="2020-07-11T11:38:33.183" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="10980" PostId="5603" Score="0" Text="@Rayleigh About that post in your first edit, yes, it's lacking any explanation as to _why_ that would work, and looks like just something thrown against the wall to see if it'll stick. (On a three-year old question, no less.) I'm not sure if I'm being too brutal here, but it looks like it'd warrant a downvote more than an edit." CreationDate="2020-07-11T11:45:10.260" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="10981" PostId="5604" Score="0" Text="@Kusalananda Done both of your requested actions. [Read Answer](https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/597931/232326)." CreationDate="2020-07-11T13:06:12.820" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="10982" PostId="5604" Score="2" Text="@Isaac - To your broader Q I think that if a better Q &amp; A appear, we should always close inferior Q/A towards them. It happens to work out that length of time on site may seem to skew to them always getting favoritism but keep in mind that older Q/A have been, in theory, more scrutinized vs. something that's newer." CreationDate="2020-07-11T13:33:30.243" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="10983" PostId="5604" Score="1" Text="Thanks for answering the core Q. @slm (yes, in theory, theory and practice are exactly equal, in practice, the rarely are.). I reviewed both answers, we (I hope) may get better reference(s) out of the review." CreationDate="2020-07-11T13:37:38.447" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="10984" PostId="5604" Score="0" Text="But, in the end, nobody upvoted this Q. So, is it an irrelevant question? Should it be erased? ( My personal opinion is that it shouldn't be erased, but how much my opinion really counts on this site ? )." CreationDate="2020-07-11T13:47:42.220" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="10986" PostId="5605" Score="0" Text="Yes, we probably: *getting lost in the minor details* And, you also tripped on the same wire. The detail discussion of what is first? The egg or the chicken was raised by Archemar, cuonglm, Gilles and G-Man a very long time ago. And that you fall into discussing it again just goes to prove that the discussion **is** distracting, noisy, confrontational and just a flame war. It is therefore better to keep the newer question, in which no-one miss the core issue, all provide useful points of view and answers the same questions without noise. .... See? you went with the older, and you shouldn't. :-" CreationDate="2020-07-11T15:01:34.243" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="10987" PostId="5605" Score="0" Text="I already provided a [new answer](https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/597931/232326)  Maybe it will be helpful if you read it." CreationDate="2020-07-11T15:05:32.563" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="10988" PostId="5605" Score="0" Text="Let me try a biology simile to the detail we are discussing (not that I know the least bit about biology):  It doesn't mater if there are four or six bases on the ADN, what it matters is that the accumulated knowledge of each specie is encoded in those 6 bases adgcft. .... do you think that that is an important detail? It doesn't change the final description: it encodes the way an specie is built, doesn't it?" CreationDate="2020-07-11T15:37:42.043" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="10989" PostId="5608" Score="0" Text="I had no idea, I could retract a flag. Good to know." CreationDate="2020-07-12T20:59:09.087" UserId="360892" />
  <row Id="10990" PostId="5610" Score="0" Text="I don't believe that you have offended anyone, well, not me at least. Others were more difficult." CreationDate="2020-07-13T16:30:08.940" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="10991" PostId="5610" Score="0" Text="I was about to write something here, but it was too long for a comment even in the briefer form, so [posted a longer answer instead](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/a/5611/170373)." CreationDate="2020-07-15T00:05:16.287" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="10992" PostId="5611" Score="0" Text="Since you dislike that your answer (not you) has been named three times, I erased all reference to them." CreationDate="2020-07-15T16:00:32.697" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="10993" PostId="5611" Score="0" Text="*after all the edits made to it lately* The only edit that anyone (except the owner of the answer) did before yours was done by me and reverted almost immediately. The answer stood in its incomplete/half baked state for several years. Add conflicting comments. So, you got lucky in that nobody reverted your edits. After a lot of persistence, I believe we got better answers. Note that upvotes were divided between both answers, that is an usual indication that readers are undecided about which is better, that is usually an indication of poor/conflicting answers. That is better now, I think." CreationDate="2020-07-15T16:17:35.037" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="10994" PostId="5611" Score="0" Text="(-1) In that this (your) answer doesn't answer the question, doesn't even try, but is more alike to an extended comment to explain some personal feelings I am forced to downvote it." CreationDate="2020-07-15T16:20:49.640" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="10995" PostId="5611" Score="0" Text="@Isaac, well, I didn't say whose edits they were, just that in my opinion, it was specifically the recent edits that made it worse. And yes, you're quite right, this wasn't even meant as an answer to the question of what to do with old posts in general. I started writing this as an answer to [this](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/a/5610/170373) but it didn't fit in a comment, even in a briefer form." CreationDate="2020-07-15T18:39:41.980" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="10996" PostId="5603" Score="0" Text="IMO #2 was an improvement, and reject sends the wrong message. #3's canned comment is very unfriendly and harsh and poorly fits and goes very much against all this welcoming/friendly dialogue being bandied about these days.  I guess #1 deserves the harsh message a bit more, but OMW, really, can't we be a bit more helpful to people learning the ropes without smashing them on the rocks?" CreationDate="2020-07-16T18:53:37.657" UserId="22653" />
  <row Id="10997" PostId="5603" Score="0" Text="BTW, @Rayleigh Kudos for posting this.  Canned answers and quick trigger rejects like that stopped my edits, etc. after I spent a lot of time and effort on, and that I am positive improved the content significantly, and I felt certain the reviewer didn't actually cognate on it, but saw the extent of the edit and misjudged it completely.  I certainly didn't feel I had an advocate at the time, and so kind of just decided it just wasn't worth putting out effort that is so easily snuffed out." CreationDate="2020-07-16T19:23:39.960" UserId="22653" />
  <row Id="10998" PostId="5609" Score="1" Text="While I agree with the &quot;I think you're on the right track&quot; comment, this answer really does not address the core issue.  The canned messages are almost certain to be off-putting to any sensible person.  Something should be said to that.  Not diving into the details feels like a cop-out.  The reviewer should be on that right track you commended Rayleigh for, and it shouldn't be left unsaid.  I know you kind of did with the &quot;approve and edit&quot; instead of &quot;reject and edit&quot;  but its unfortunate it was said mostly as an afterthought.  I guess at least you said it would end at 2K..." CreationDate="2020-07-16T19:35:17.343" UserId="22653" />
  <row Id="10999" PostId="5609" Score="0" Text="@kbulgrien, as a guess, based on what I've seen about how SE works: changing the canned messages would require a network-wide change to the whole of SE, which would require requesting it on meta.stackexchange, and if it got a positive response there, the ETA for the actual change to happen would be something on the order of two years. (Unless someone posted a well-targeted Twitter post, then it would perhaps happen in two weeks.)" CreationDate="2020-07-19T22:22:31.803" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="11000" PostId="5602" Score="0" Text="That sounds a bit too categorical. It's not uncommon for some answers to add information over some other answer (often the already accepted one). Generally, those answers would not be suitable as comments, and it would be rude just to duplicate the other answer into your answer just to add that extra information. Editing it into that other answer is fine for small/simple additions, but not necessarily for larger ones as the original author would be responsible for maintaining some information he did not write in the first place." CreationDate="2020-07-21T09:56:41.453" UserId="22565" />
  <row Id="11001" PostId="5602" Score="0" Text="The OP's example is another typical case where it would be inappropriate to edit that additional text into an already existing answer, as it's opinionated." CreationDate="2020-07-21T10:01:38.653" UserId="22565" />
  <row Id="11002" PostId="5602" Score="0" Text="I think I'm OK with Answers that supplement other Answers, as long as they're answering the question. This &quot;class&quot; of answer I'm concerned about is a &quot;negative&quot; answer -- &quot;don't use X&quot; -- which I think is perfectly appropriate as a comment on the Question." CreationDate="2020-07-21T14:04:36.630" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11003" PostId="5602" Score="0" Text="I do appreciate that we don't want to put words in people's mouths, but I for one certainly appreciate enhancements to my Answers by people that know more than I do. It's not always obvious, but the edit history for any post clearly indicates who did what to each post." CreationDate="2020-07-21T14:05:53.780" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11004" PostId="5602" Score="0" Text="Sometimes such not-an-answer Answers are comments that the author can't post as comments because comments are too short or does not allow enough formatting." CreationDate="2020-07-21T14:41:40.933" UserId="2972" />
  <row Id="11005" PostId="5609" Score="1" Text="@ilkkachu, then I find it very, very ironic that those messages are defined by stackexchange, and yet they have initiated the &quot;be friendly and welcoming&quot; project.  Ironic, in that those messages are far from friendly and welcoming.  They don't even try to allow for either a reviewer to have made a bad call or for a reviewee to reach a clearer understanding of what the network wants and does not want without feeling slammed.  That Rayleigh posted the question is proof of that." CreationDate="2020-07-21T14:51:26.960" UserId="22653" />
  <row Id="11006" PostId="5602" Score="0" Text="The limitations of Stack Exchange are something we get to work with, I suppose. Either the author gains rep in other ways and then comments properly, or they withhold such comments-as-answers." CreationDate="2020-07-21T17:11:16.733" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11007" PostId="5609" Score="0" Text="@kbulgrien I've just become aware of https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/346901/improving-the-review-queues-project-overview, which you may be interested in." CreationDate="2020-07-22T01:05:42.727" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11008" PostId="5609" Score="0" Text="@kbulgrien, I may have referred to some events that happened last fall, and there may have been a bit of frustrated sarcasm in the comment." CreationDate="2020-07-23T19:46:29.303" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="11009" PostId="5612" Score="0" Text="Is this question on Meta the same as yours? https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/351197/307535" CreationDate="2020-07-25T14:25:41.267" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11010" PostId="5612" Score="0" Text="Thanks for pointing me to this.     Looks like the same issue.     I opened another instance of my browser, and there was my question sitting there, with `Review Question` waiting for me.    I reviewed and posted, and all is well for now.    But it would be nice if the problem could be fixed." CreationDate="2020-07-26T17:47:22.190" UserId="50080" />
  <row Id="11011" PostId="5616" Score="9" Text="FYI, this sentence: &quot;*I wonder if the community is developed enough to correctly deal with them.*&quot; strikes me as unnecessarily condescending. As part of this community, let's work together to find common ground and improve the site, not question its ability to come to *your* &quot;correct&quot; conclusion." CreationDate="2020-07-26T18:33:53.787" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11012" PostId="5615" Score="0" Text="When you say *Everyone should be able to erase questions and answers*, I suppose you mean *Everyone should be able to erase **their own** questions and answers*?" CreationDate="2020-07-26T18:35:12.757" UserId="22565" />
  <row Id="11013" PostId="5615" Score="0" Text="Note that deleting a question would also mean deleting the answers to that question (generally by other users). If you delete a chat message, then the chat conversion starts to make a lot less senses." CreationDate="2020-07-26T18:36:37.730" UserId="22565" />
  <row Id="11014" PostId="5616" Score="1" Text="Are you aware that any user can suggest an edit to a post? And that users above 2k can immediately apply edits? Both of which show who did what and when. Beyond that, comments that no longer serve any purpose are candidates for removal. Are you lobbying for an *automatic* removal of old comments (#3)?" CreationDate="2020-07-26T18:36:58.350" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11015" PostId="5615" Score="0" Text="(1) Yes (their own content). (2) To avoid actually removing a question I am proposing that the question could become *an orphan* (no owner), much as it is now done with `user****`. But the name of the owner gets erased by the request of the same question owner. After a question has become &quot;an orphan&quot;, anyone could ask to adopt it (the exact method to select or assign a new owner could be discussed) and then clean it, improve it, etc." CreationDate="2020-07-26T18:45:55.443" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="11016" PostId="5615" Score="0" Text="(3) Chat(1): What I am initially asking is for comments that **have been converted** to chat messages via the *comments are not meant for long discussions* action that removes all comments and makes them a chat. Those **were** comments, but got transformed by someone else than the original comment owner." CreationDate="2020-07-26T18:49:20.990" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="11017" PostId="5615" Score="0" Text="(4)Chat(2): But yes, in general a **No Regrets ™** rules must allow anyone to remove their own content even in chats." CreationDate="2020-07-26T18:50:54.720" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="11018" PostId="5616" Score="0" Text="(1) I have not stated which is &quot;the correct way&quot;. Your qualification of *unnecessarily condescending* is placing your (pre?) judgement on the issue at hand." CreationDate="2020-07-26T18:55:52.887" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="11019" PostId="5616" Score="0" Text="(2) Which part of asking for a discussion of an idea is **not**: *work together to find common ground and improve the site*. Is that not implied in the effort of writing the question? Sincerely ... think again." CreationDate="2020-07-26T18:58:15.397" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="11020" PostId="5616" Score="0" Text="(3) Yes, users can edit, and many edits get reverted, then users tend to avoid edits out of fear of getting into an edit war. A comment is usually a softer way to hint of an error. But when a comment remains not included, it should either be erased or actually included." CreationDate="2020-07-26T19:01:40.010" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="11021" PostId="5616" Score="0" Text="(4) *Are you lobbying for an automatic removal of old comments (#3)?* I do not really know, I guess I am." CreationDate="2020-07-26T19:02:37.817" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="11022" PostId="5616" Score="0" Text="(5) And, frankly, plain downvoting (rejecting that actually there is a problem) is just the first step of denial [You avoid talking about the issue](https://www.northpointrecovery.com/blog/10-signs-serious-denial/)." CreationDate="2020-07-26T19:13:36.910" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="11023" PostId="5616" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller Why didn't you suggest an edit? You could remove/modify what you don't like !!! An example of the core problem?????" CreationDate="2020-07-26T19:15:57.633" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="11024" PostId="5616" Score="2" Text="I just have to agree with Jeff here. Starting with a mention of serious issues, in plural, then doubting the level of development of the community (and by implication, everyone in it) before even mentioning what those serious issues might be, does sound rather condescending to me. Reading the rest of the post, that whole introduction paragraph seems unnecessary for the discussion of comments. You're saying there are multiple serious issues, but only mention one here?" CreationDate="2020-07-26T20:07:23.980" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="11025" PostId="5616" Score="5" Text="But about comments... what is it that's actually a problem with them? I mean, is there an example of a case where comments are really harmful or such?" CreationDate="2020-07-26T20:10:05.540" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="11027" PostId="5616" Score="0" Text="@ilkkachu Even [well intended Easter eggs could become harmful](https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/406169/232326). Seek and you shall find." CreationDate="2020-07-26T20:28:30.650" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="11028" PostId="5616" Score="5" Text="@Isaac, I can't tell what's problematic with that post or the comments to it. I'm also not interested in going looking for something someone might find problematic. It's your post, your argument, you get to supply the references and examples. If you can't do that, well, I suppose you also can't expect to get much support for your suggestion." CreationDate="2020-07-26T20:45:00.463" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="11029" PostId="5616" Score="2" Text="@Isaac my intention was to get past a possible language / translation issue by pointing out one person's interpretation of: &quot;(serious, core issues), I wonder if the community is developed enough to correctly deal with them&quot;, followed by a 3-point feature request, implies that you don't think this community can handle your truth. I wouldn't edit your post to put words in your mouth, so I left a comment alerting you to one possible interpretation in the actual, positive, hopes that I misunderstood you and that we could find better wording to better represent your position." CreationDate="2020-07-27T00:06:23.083" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11030" PostId="5616" Score="3" Text="If you're unsure that this community is able to handle discussion, I would suggest that you simply leave that unsaid, and let the discussion go where it goes.  If, instead, you do intend to criticize this community, then I would suggest a separate Meta post to discuss that issue -- separate from a feature request regarding comments." CreationDate="2020-07-27T00:08:07.997" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11031" PostId="5617" Score="0" Text="I'm in the unfortunate position of being unable to scroll far enough in my menu to see this behavior. My initial thought is that privileges are simply an indication that your rep has hit a certain milestone, and aren't represented in the achievements menu. The achievements menu -- to my recollection -- has only included reputation changes and badge awards. The most recent reference I can find is [from 2013](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/210187/307535), though." CreationDate="2020-07-27T00:45:29.113" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11032" PostId="5617" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller I have earned privileges on other SE sites in the past week and these have shown up on the menu, as I said in my OP." CreationDate="2020-07-27T02:28:46.847" UserId="17945" />
  <row Id="11033" PostId="5621" Score="1" Text="Yep, this is a network-wide thing, it can't be changed for a specific site. I think the idea was to stop people from saying something unpleasant and then pretending they didn't." CreationDate="2020-07-27T13:51:19.810" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11034" PostId="5621" Score="1" Text="@terdon, which they can still do in comments if they're removed before they get moved to chat. Whatever the reason, the logic doesn't work." CreationDate="2020-07-27T14:06:19.130" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="11035" PostId="5621" Score="1" Text="The logic (which I am not defending, only explaining as I have guessed it) is for chat. I don't think they considered the case where something was moved from a comment to a chat room so the rules for chat were applied." CreationDate="2020-07-27T14:12:28.467" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11036" PostId="5621" Score="3" Text="@terdon, yes, exactly. &quot;I don't think they considered&quot; explains too many things in this world." CreationDate="2020-07-27T14:20:24.667" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="11037" PostId="5620" Score="1" Text="ilkkachu's answer is *not* wrong ;) -- but just to clarify your position: you may not want to edit a comment into the post yourself, but if it was an improvement, do you object to *others* editing the post to incorporate it? (Recognizing that edits are stamped with the editors name)" CreationDate="2020-07-27T15:02:13.280" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11038" PostId="5544" Score="1" Text="Oh, now I understand what you mean. I just saw [Why is \`-r\` seemingly ignored when used with \`-0\` in GNU xargs?](//unix.stackexchange.com/q/600560) and tried to fix it presuming the OP had a typo and had put `-o` instead of `-0` there." CreationDate="2020-07-27T15:09:18.550" UserId="22565" />
  <row Id="11039" PostId="5620" Score="1" Text="@JeffSchaller, in the situation I was thinking of, the edit would not be an improvement, at least not from my point of view. For example, if I left something out to simplify the matter on purpose, then editing to add a detailed description would go against my intent, regardless of who edited it in. I don't mind if someone leaves a comment pointing out some missing details, or downvotes me for oversimplifying. Then again, if someone were to add a note in the post about how details had been skipped, I should probably accept that (though knowing me, I'd be likely to rephrase the note anyway)." CreationDate="2020-07-27T16:20:33.223" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="11040" PostId="5620" Score="0" Text="(and no, I don't have a link to such a case.)" CreationDate="2020-07-27T16:24:55.340" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="11041" PostId="5619" Score="0" Text="This is confusing (a) because I had no idea I was a &quot;veteran&quot; (never heard of it on SE, never heard it made any difference), and I was notified last week that I achieved a 500 point privilege on (Spanish Language)[https://spanish.stackexchange.com/]. I guess that site is still running on the public beta rules. Is there somewhere I can see explicitly my &quot;veteran&quot; status?" CreationDate="2020-07-27T16:59:28.547" UserId="17945" />
  <row Id="11042" PostId="5544" Score="0" Text="It's [not the first time](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4955/108618) our *technical* sites are crippled by an aesthetic(?) decision." CreationDate="2020-07-28T09:03:23.200" UserId="108618" />
  <row Id="11043" PostId="5544" Score="2" Text="I wouldn't call others an aesthetic decision.  Font is definitely an issue with `oO0` characters with the same origin looking like one another is a common pattern caused by unicode.  My favorite example to date is `μ` [U+039C](https://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/03bc/index.htm) and `µ` [U+00B5](https://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/00B5/index.htm).  The micro sign is the greek letter mu, but they have different Unicode code points.  That gave us a right headache when porting a scientific database." CreationDate="2020-07-30T10:15:36.580" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="11044" PostId="5622" Score="1" Text="Thought: does the mere presence of a language make a question a programming question? (And, symmetrically, an answer an inappropriate answer?) Asking &quot;which languages&quot; may suggest it does (or at least can do), and that questions about shell scripting/language are on-topic just because the scope of U&amp;L explicitly includes shell scripting. My feeling is that two dimensions have to be considered: how close the question is to &quot;Using or administering a *nix [system]&quot; and how much programming competence is reuquired, regardless of the language(s)." CreationDate="2020-07-30T15:24:00.930" UserId="315749" />
  <row Id="11045" PostId="5622" Score="2" Text="I've always believed programming questions centred on *nix system calls are on topic here, as long as the focus is on the OS behaviour.  That is discussing OS behaviour with regard to almost everything in [man 2 ...](https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/dir_section_2.html) is likely to be viewed as on-topic.  But it's much harder to write a question based on something in [man 3 ...](https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/dir_section_3.html) and remain on-topic." CreationDate="2020-07-30T15:37:35.677" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="11047" PostId="5624" Score="0" Text="I would certainly change &quot;user&quot; to &quot;user or administrator&quot;, but not to &quot;programmer&quot;, no." CreationDate="2020-07-31T08:17:13.507" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11051" PostId="5625" Score="2" Text="Looking  from sustainability angle, I often think it would be helpful to stick with more CLI-based answers" CreationDate="2020-07-31T22:13:05.590" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="11052" PostId="5625" Score="1" Text="I guess &quot;questions about how to do something on a Unix-like system&quot; include those about using compilers, interpreters, and tool chains for various programming languages on Unix-like systems." CreationDate="2020-07-31T22:17:45.407" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="11053" PostId="5623" Score="0" Text="Well, there's also the method of editing a sufficiently large warning in the post itself, possibly with moderator authority. Whether that counts as sane or insane is of course up to personal opinion." CreationDate="2020-08-01T08:40:11.173" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="11054" PostId="5624" Score="2" Text="&quot;[SE] divides up by readership&quot;... well, yeah, maybe. But the title on that [help page](https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/on-topic) is &quot;What topics **can** I ask about here?&quot;" CreationDate="2020-08-01T09:28:40.680" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="11055" PostId="5624" Score="0" Text="All of which merely demonstrates that it hasn't sunk in for M. Couling and ikkachu yet.  It took a while for the penny to drop for me, too, and as I said it's the thing that people stumble over.  But it has been the case all along, and is in fact the reason for seeming-oddities like the overlap with AskDifferent and AskUbuntu, and why there are three mathematics, two English language, and two computer science sites." CreationDate="2020-08-01T10:14:51.333" UserId="5132" />
  <row Id="11056" PostId="5623" Score="0" Text="That's an effective way to start for an edit war.  Moderators cannot be expected to decide what's true or not.  Such edits are discouraged by the community and fall under the &quot;vandalism&quot; category for rejecting edits.  The problem is that people disagree." CreationDate="2020-08-01T12:00:18.797" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="11057" PostId="5623" Score="0" Text="well, that's why you may need a moderator, to give the authority, and to have the ability to enforce it. Editing to add a warning isn't optimal, but comments only show up below the post anyway, and can get drowned among other comments. Anyway, see [this discussion in the chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/26?m=54493719#54493719) and the following [edit](https://unix.stackexchange.com/posts/340482/revisions). Which was done by a non-moderator in the end, but discussed by moderators, too." CreationDate="2020-08-01T12:31:01.617" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="11058" PostId="5624" Score="0" Text="Speaking of topics, it is the interdisciplinary nature of multiple stackexchange sites that needs more recognition.  Speaking of readership, related sites don't necessarily have the same audience, which is up to personal browsing habit. All of which merely demonstrates that cross posting should be allowed." CreationDate="2020-08-01T12:38:53.133" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="11059" PostId="5624" Score="0" Text="Wait, what is the third mathematics site? On the same vein, isn't it that there are three computer science sites?" CreationDate="2020-08-01T12:41:20.887" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="11060" PostId="5622" Score="0" Text="The question is clearly about answering, so why remove that from the title?" CreationDate="2020-08-02T07:24:17.023" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="11061" PostId="5622" Score="0" Text="@muru please re-read.  It's about BOTH asking and answering.  This was highlighted by Stephen Kitt in his answer.  See his edits: https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/posts/5625/revisions" CreationDate="2020-08-02T08:09:53.133" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="11062" PostId="5622" Score="0" Text="@PhilipCouling what of the edit? The edited portion still says &quot;the scope of answers&quot;. Why, then, do you say &quot;When asking questions, it's clear enough...&quot;, &quot;Then when giving answers I'm even less certain&quot;, **&quot;Is there any list of which languages / tools we should stick to when offering answers&quot;** (which in particular is what my edit of the title restated), all of which don't match up with your later edits? It just seems you're muddling the topic; perhaps you should clear up what exactly is in your mind, and re-edit the whole post to clear up the muddle." CreationDate="2020-08-02T08:20:57.643" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="11065" PostId="5622" Score="2" Text="@muru You've rather taken my words out of context there. &quot;When asking questions it' clear enough that &lt;some clear stuff&gt;&quot; was immediately followed by &quot;But I wouldn't be so sure about perl or expect.&quot;. Then &quot;tools we should stick to when offering answers&quot; was immediately followed by &quot;And, if bash questions are on topic, which other languages should we regard as on-topic&quot;. **When an OP rejects your edit, please do not edit it back in!** Both answers addressed the scope with regard to questions. I, the OP, must be allowed to choose the way I frame my own quesiton!" CreationDate="2020-08-02T11:57:59.340" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="11066" PostId="5625" Score="1" Text="@Tim I'd be cautious with that.  By default such questions should be on stackoverflow unless the specific tool or specific problem are related to using it on *nix." CreationDate="2020-08-02T19:11:49.560" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="11067" PostId="5622" Score="1" Text="&quot;When an OP rejects your edit, please do not edit it back in!&quot; Correspondingly, when a user repeatedly does try to edit, understand that something in **your framing** isn't working right, and you should reconsider it." CreationDate="2020-08-03T01:14:19.273" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="11071" PostId="5622" Score="0" Text="@muru I honestly don't know what you find unclear about this question.  I think you initially misread. I edited out your title change because it wasn't what I'd intended and it [misled others](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/revisions/5625/1). I edited in two more sections to clarify. **The last section makes it as clear as I can**: A single question provokes 1 of 3 responses (not necessarily answers). To chose between them I need to understand acceptable scope of both question and answers.  Yes this topic is a muddy one, that's why I'm asking! I want others to help me clarify the unclear!" CreationDate="2020-08-03T08:28:46.267" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="11072" PostId="5624" Score="2" Text="@JdeBP, erh, I don't believe the way the site is documented in any way reflects what has &quot;sunk in&quot; for me (though the opposite might apply). I was only pointing out that what you're saying is not exactly clear from what SE itself presents. Also, my name is Ilkka, and my username is ilkkachu, and I'll thank you to use that username. (I'm sure you know you can just type @ and the first letter and then hit tab to autocomplete it. Works at least on a desktop browser, maybe not on a phone.)" CreationDate="2020-08-03T13:17:39.610" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="11074" PostId="5624" Score="2" Text="Saying that &quot;it hasn't sunk in&quot; is needlessly personal.  I fully understand your point. I think it's wrong. You edited to reference [this page](https://stackoverflow.blog/2009/07/26/why-cant-you-have-just-one-site/).  Quoting from that page (emphasis theirs not mine):  *&quot;The whole point of these sites is to form a community around **specific topics**.&quot;*.  I think that actually says the opposite of what you want.  It says the sites are divided by topic first, and the readership forms around it." CreationDate="2020-08-03T16:32:30.073" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="11075" PostId="5622" Score="0" Text="It is hard to think that &quot;This isn't a site for asking programming questions. It's well understood that pure programming questions should be moved to stackoverflow.com.&quot; is unclear.  If a question is about solving something particularly in a *nix domain, why would anyone care what language is used to ask or answer a question that isn't about the language itself?  The only fuzziness I can see about what is on/off topic is that questions about the language itself are apparently allowed if the language is a *nix scripting language, and, that that fuzziness is increased by WSL / MSYS, etc." CreationDate="2020-08-04T15:49:52.270" UserId="22653" />
  <row Id="11076" PostId="5624" Score="2" Text="Frankly, this answer seems to present the most useful non-obvious points given that (at this time) the other answers by Stephen Kitt and peterh appear largely self-evident based on a reading of the scope page." CreationDate="2020-08-04T15:53:18.977" UserId="22653" />
  <row Id="11077" PostId="5609" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller thanks, though I note that it was already an old question, and so contributions to it when it is over a month old seem to largely go unnoticed." CreationDate="2020-08-04T16:05:51.683" UserId="22653" />
  <row Id="11078" PostId="5629" Score="0" Text="I'll skip this one if you don't mind . Because my comments if any will be too acerbic for the fandom. Basically buck passing between debian and python to the extent that even wrong and dangerous error messages are &quot;the other guys problem&quot;" CreationDate="2020-08-16T03:46:22.000" UserId="323121" />
  <row Id="11079" PostId="5629" Score="0" Text="Stephen Kitt disagrees with you.  https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/491645/5132" CreationDate="2020-08-16T09:40:59.747" UserId="5132" />
  <row Id="11080" PostId="5629" Score="0" Text="@JdeBP I don't see why. Stephen is talking about Debian, not Ubuntu. Removing Python is a well established way of breaking Ubuntu systems. See https://askubuntu.com/questions/384033/ or the dozens of similar questions. If you want to suggest that as a solution, you should at least explain the dangers and how to avoid them. The deleted question did not." CreationDate="2020-08-16T09:59:36.457" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11081" PostId="5629" Score="0" Text="You even point to several more people disagreeing with you.  (-:  You say &quot;After reboot you won't be able to install anything.&quot;.  Those four people give step by step instructions showing how one _indeed can_ install things.  As M. Kitt said, Python of either version is not a dependency for dpkg or APT." CreationDate="2020-08-16T19:27:45.573" UserId="5132" />
  <row Id="11082" PostId="5630" Score="1" Text="I can't speak for the author, but I believe your edit improved the post. You incorporated the actual commands to address the problem. The original answer was indeed link-only." CreationDate="2020-08-16T19:34:22.870" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11083" PostId="5629" Score="0" Text="@JdeBP it is, however, a dependency for gnome, the default on Ubuntu and for the Ubuntu software center which is what most Ubuntu users use to install software. In any case, as I said above, an answer that explains how to do this safely would be fine. One that tells you to blindly remove ALL python versions and then reboot is not fine. Feel free to post an answer showing how to do this properly." CreationDate="2020-08-16T20:11:30.903" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11084" PostId="5632" Score="1" Text="No, those questions are asked by one user, and it's me. **If it's the wrong place to ask such a question, please move it where it fits best.** Isn't this place to ask about Unix &amp; Linux?" CreationDate="2020-08-19T05:18:27.017" UserId="364840" />
  <row Id="11085" PostId="5633" Score="0" Text="That many comments will automatically generate a flag for moderator attention." CreationDate="2020-08-19T06:50:08.333" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="11086" PostId="5629" Score="0" Text="@JdeBP I wrote that answer in a specific context: “What parts of Debian base install requires python2, python3, perl, bluetooth?”" CreationDate="2020-08-19T09:56:28.357" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="11087" PostId="5630" Score="0" Text="I agree, you did a good job. Also, check the newest edit on that question, which improved the formatting on top of your edit." CreationDate="2020-08-20T08:26:52.467" UserId="133591" />
  <row Id="11088" PostId="5637" Score="1" Text="seconded: *&quot;questions involving old setups should describe the setup in the question, without necessarily trying to reflect all the details in their tags&quot;*" CreationDate="2020-08-20T16:51:08.050" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11090" PostId="5639" Score="1" Text="Thanks,  I was hoping there was a more consolidated way than getting/staying familiar with the entire meta site." CreationDate="2020-08-22T12:50:45.847" UserId="272848" />
  <row Id="11091" PostId="5633" Score="0" Text="Yet his &quot;answer&quot; to your question is still not **an answer** which **infringes on** the policies of this website. An answer implies something which is factual, proven and universally recognized as being &quot;true&quot;. His &quot;answer&quot; is anything but. He slightly changed the wording to make it sound less factual and more opinionated but the fact that it was posted as an answer is still an insult to intelligence and rules of this website. I tried to adhere to this website policies but my requests fell on deaf ears. You also marked his answer as a solution because you simply believed him. This is just ugly" CreationDate="2020-08-23T14:27:30.110" UserId="260833" />
  <row Id="11092" PostId="5639" Score="1" Text="@stewart sadly, there isn't. And it's a pain, yes, but it's what you get when the rules are sort of figured out by the community as we go along. When in doubt, search meta here, and https://meta.stackexchange.com or post a question as you did. You can also try in chat." CreationDate="2020-08-23T15:27:25.837" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11093" PostId="5639" Score="0" Text="@terdon, also, if SE cared, it could make the help pages editable per-site, by the site moderators, which would deal nicely with the &quot;figured out by the community&quot; part..." CreationDate="2020-08-23T18:26:37.090" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="11094" PostId="5639" Score="0" Text="@ilkkachu the moderators can edit https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/on-topic and parts of the [tour]. The problem with making all pages editable is that it's a pain to merge future changes in the template. Maybe not for one site, but if all 170+ sites in the network would make changes on their own site..." CreationDate="2020-08-23T18:39:06.673" UserId="111051" />
  <row Id="11095" PostId="5639" Score="0" Text="@Glorfindel, oh yes, the merging would be a pain... But in any case, there doesn't seem to be much space for site-specific guides in the Ask a question view. If I open it from a non-logged-in browser, I get a [small popup](https://i.stack.imgur.com/yuH7r.png) with minimal guidance on asking a question in general, and then there's a link to https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/how-to-ask in the sidebar. I can't even see a link to https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/on-topic anywhere... Let alone something where we could add even &quot;Please don't post images of text, and do use code formatting&quot;." CreationDate="2020-08-23T19:35:22.263" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="11096" PostId="5639" Score="0" Text="(and yes, I was talking about the help pages at first, but then it just occurred to me to look at what the Ask a question page actually looks like)" CreationDate="2020-08-23T19:36:51.323" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="11097" PostId="5641" Score="0" Text="&quot;Huge challenge&quot; seems like an overstatement, when Stack Exchange could just let users submit solutions, and copy paste the most popular answer." CreationDate="2020-08-24T13:12:11.203" UserId="105120" />
  <row Id="11098" PostId="5642" Score="4" Text="FYI only, https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/2645/307535 was status-declined in ~2010 if I'm reading the timeline correctly. Several subsequent bounties have been placed." CreationDate="2020-08-25T00:04:40.700" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11099" PostId="5642" Score="0" Text="Is there some reputation threshold involved? How can high rep users see their deleted questions? As far as I know, everyone can see their deleted questions if they have a link to them, but there is no way of seeing a list of all your deleted questions." CreationDate="2020-08-25T06:23:51.510" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11100" PostId="5642" Score="0" Text="@terdon https://unix.stackexchange.com/search?q=user%3Ame+deleted%3Ayes+is%3Aq?" CreationDate="2020-08-25T07:41:45.517" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="11101" PostId="5643" Score="2" Text="You have to access your profile from the main site; not from your meta profile. You should see a tab up top that says &quot;Edit Profile and Settings.&quot;" CreationDate="2020-08-25T08:13:56.607" UserId="183517" />
  <row Id="11102" PostId="5639" Score="0" Text="@ilkkachu According to the [announcement](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/344513/410681) of its new version, the ask page has some room for customization. It would make sense to create a U&amp;L Meta post to discuss it." CreationDate="2020-08-25T15:37:43.317" UserId="315749" />
  <row Id="11103" PostId="5492" Score="0" Text="Related, on the main site: [What is the relation between iproute and iproute2?](https://unix.stackexchange.com/q/363618/315749)" CreationDate="2020-08-25T15:46:15.000" UserId="315749" />
  <row Id="11104" PostId="5642" Score="0" Text="Thanks @muru, I thought that was a mod-only thing." CreationDate="2020-08-25T17:03:26.807" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11106" PostId="5649" Score="0" Text="I don't have a &quot;best place&quot; answer, but off-the-cuff, U&amp;L's scope says &quot;Note that Ubuntu posts are a special case. If your question applies to Ubuntu only, or you're looking for answers that are Ubuntu-specific, you should post it on the Ask Ubuntu Stack Exchange site.&quot;. You explicitly call out Ubuntu; are your questions Ubuntu-specific?" CreationDate="2020-09-03T00:04:23.100" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11107" PostId="5649" Score="2" Text="@JeffSchaller - hard to say whether the questions are Ubuntu-specific of WSL-specific. Based on answers I got at the Super User meta, I think I'll start with Super User and spiral out from there (I'll be sure to lot have cross-postings up simultaneously)." CreationDate="2020-09-03T03:39:32.203" UserId="214773" />
  <row Id="11108" PostId="5651" Score="0" Text="Re: &quot;I couldn't figure out what this meant&quot;, if you look at the other &quot;unfriendly or unkind&quot; flags on other answers, you will see that one on my answer was declined.  I didn't want to push on that one because the author of the flagged was one that was the target of a prior meta post that you and I interacted on, and I figured I was extra sensitive.  It turns out, though, that if you go back to my answer, the author of the flagged comment later added &quot;(1) Yes, my wording was snarky and belligerent.  I apologize.&quot; which basically proves my flag was valid, but was/is declined..." CreationDate="2020-09-03T05:27:36.210" UserId="22653" />
  <row Id="11113" PostId="5651" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the effort taken to write an answer.  I have incorporated additional notes in the question as a result." CreationDate="2020-09-03T07:32:38.163" UserId="22653" />
  <row Id="11114" PostId="5650" Score="2" Text="The Stack Exchange system is pretty complicated, and I can hardly keep up with how it all works. I think the flag bans are there to curb *abuse* of the flagging system, not well-intentioned usage. My latest understanding is that [&quot;A declined comment flag will not count toward a flag ban, but it does count toward one's net helpful flags and can reduce the flagger's daily flag allowance.&quot;](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/17364/how-does-comment-voting-and-flagging-work/17365#17365). I think there's a rolling calculation of declined flags to warn you, which is probably what you're seeing." CreationDate="2020-09-03T11:45:08.870" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11115" PostId="5650" Score="2" Text="Thank-you, I believe that link has the content that actually answers the concern I felt wasn't addressed, however, it still seems likely that complexity and behavior of the system still tends to discourage new, responsible flaggers, but probably neither you nor I can do a whit about that.  If you were to add that to your answer, I'd feel better about marking your response as the accepted answer, though, LOL, its not like there are any others to mark.  I still object to decline statistics being inflated by bad declines, but, well, I guess at some point newbs must just be willing to move on." CreationDate="2020-09-03T17:56:29.760" UserId="22653" />
  <row Id="11116" PostId="5650" Score="1" Text="Sounds like good progress! I'll update the answer a bit later. I would suggest a bit of patience, as other users may not visit Meta every day. No rush to accept a [tag:discussion] question :)" CreationDate="2020-09-03T19:09:47.177" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11119" PostId="5652" Score="6" Text="FWIW merging seems a reasonable idea to me" CreationDate="2020-09-03T19:48:48.480" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="11120" PostId="5652" Score="3" Text="&quot;Sorry, I'll delete this once the goal is met.&quot; -- please don't. It's useful to have some record of the discussion, even if it's just one paragraph and a straightforward subject." CreationDate="2020-09-04T09:54:13.920" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="11122" PostId="5652" Score="0" Text="@ilkkachu OK, I'll leave it as long as it doesn't start gathering down/close votes. All tags are now synonyms so we're done." CreationDate="2020-09-04T14:48:34.857" UserId="133219" />
  <row Id="11123" PostId="5652" Score="1" Text="Yes, I gave the final vote for mawk... The only thing I'm worried about is the tag wikis... mawk didn't have one, but gawk well may have had at least something." CreationDate="2020-09-04T22:19:41.397" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="11124" PostId="5642" Score="0" Text="Idiotically, in the profile page, the link is only to &quot;recently deleted questions&quot;, whatever my rep is, so a user needs to know to search for them manually..." CreationDate="2020-09-05T19:47:24.480" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="11125" PostId="5642" Score="0" Text="@Tim, that's a system-wide misfeature, not something that anyone can help on unix.meta.SE. And based on Jeff's link, probably not something that any user anywhere on SE can help, so I'd suggest just trying to live with it for now. But if you do decide to bring it up on meta.SE directly, I'd suggest dropping that note about toxicity and encouraging harassment, it won't help in getting any changes implemented." CreationDate="2020-09-05T20:03:40.990" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="11127" PostId="5642" Score="0" Text="@ilkkachu Thanks.   I am not able to post there.  My online account has been  complaining lately on some issues, though I don't like myself complaining and myself in real life rarely complain." CreationDate="2020-09-06T02:41:36.603" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="11128" PostId="5652" Score="0" Text="@ilkkachu don't worry, it will use the target one." CreationDate="2020-09-07T01:57:59.950" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="11129" PostId="5653" Score="1" Text="On a site that's not dedicated to security, I imagine our existing [tag:security] tag would cover it." CreationDate="2020-09-09T23:12:25.030" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11130" PostId="5653" Score="0" Text="We also have [tag:vulnerability], which seems tightly related. From both the areas-of-expertise and the practical tag usage points of view they may even be synonyms - if only they weren't so semantically distant from each other..." CreationDate="2020-09-10T00:05:53.460" UserId="315749" />
  <row Id="11131" PostId="5653" Score="4" Text="Tag's gone now, since it was removed from the only post that had it" CreationDate="2020-09-10T04:57:02.950" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="11132" PostId="5652" Score="3" Text="Title should have been &quot;This is getting [awk]ward...&quot;" CreationDate="2020-09-12T21:55:09.740" UserId="154900" />
  <row Id="11133" PostId="5654" Score="3" Text="Disclosure: The “mitigation” tag was used on only one question. ***I*** removed it from that question. Then, unlike your typical James Bond villain, I stood by and sadistically watched it die." CreationDate="2020-09-13T07:55:21.110" UserId="80216" />
  <row Id="11134" PostId="5655" Score="3" Text="But what kind of question would be _specific_ to that particular repository as opposed to being about repositories in general? I can only think of questions about what packages are there, which should really be addressed to the maintainer, and issues about its private key etc, which hardly seems to merit its own tag." CreationDate="2020-09-15T09:03:45.097" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11135" PostId="5655" Score="3" Text="Glancing at the results of searching for [&quot;remi&quot;](https://unix.stackexchange.com/search?q=remi) doesn't show anything that's specific to the repo. Only questions asked by people using the repo. I don't really see why we'd need a tag for it. Nobody (except Remi, presumably) would be an expert on the repo itself." CreationDate="2020-09-15T09:05:13.783" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11136" PostId="5655" Score="0" Text="@terdon Ok, I see. I just thought it would make sense to group those questions a bit. But you may be right. If others see it like you then my request can be deleted." CreationDate="2020-09-15T09:07:31.023" UserId="79043" />
  <row Id="11137" PostId="5655" Score="3" Text="No! No reason to delete it! It is a useful discussion to have around. And, as you say, maybe others will disagree. Either way, thank you for starting the discussion." CreationDate="2020-09-15T09:09:04.397" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11138" PostId="5655" Score="1" Text="Ok. Though your objection makes sense. For me it was just a way of grouping those questions, to see, what was already asked. Maybe, to ultimatly find out that searching for those question with a tag doesn't help me anyway... :-D" CreationDate="2020-09-15T09:22:01.480" UserId="79043" />
  <row Id="11141" PostId="5656" Score="2" Text="A synonym might make sense here -- then users can find the topic using either name. I don't know if there would be confusion around the old name...?" CreationDate="2020-09-16T15:39:11.553" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11146" PostId="5658" Score="0" Text="Sounds like a plan, I've not got the rep to make a new tag though" CreationDate="2020-09-17T11:40:12.787" UserId="182606" />
  <row Id="11147" PostId="5658" Score="0" Text="I’ve created it for you." CreationDate="2020-09-17T13:47:33.327" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="11149" PostId="5659" Score="9" Text="They *all* appear to be attributed to their authors, including you, by name and URL. It's spam, but it's not copyright infringement. &quot;With thanks to user Sopalajo de Arrierez (https://unix.stackexchange.com/users/...), user KagurazakaKotori (https://unix.stackexchange.com/users/...), user Justin Reis (https://unix.stackexchange.com/users/...), user Gus Neves (https://unix.stackexchange.com/users/...), user Evan Carroll (https://unix.stackexchange.com/users/...), and the Stack Exchange Network (http://unix.stackexchange.com/questio...).&quot;" CreationDate="2020-09-25T02:00:13.493" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="11150" PostId="5659" Score="0" Text="@MichaelHomer, where do you see that?" CreationDate="2020-09-27T07:37:42.263" UserId="22565" />
  <row Id="11151" PostId="5659" Score="0" Text="Oh, I see it now after clickling on &quot;show more&quot;." CreationDate="2020-09-27T07:39:49.713" UserId="22565" />
  <row Id="11152" PostId="5659" Score="4" Text="I didn't see that @MichaelHomer =( good call. While awesome, I would think you'd have to attribute in the same medium (the video). I can't believe this guy runs a patreon account for spamming youtube with stackoverflow QA." CreationDate="2020-09-27T14:30:25.673" UserId="3285" />
  <row Id="11153" PostId="5661" Score="8" Text="I would just like to emphasize using the Answer box to answer questions, instead of comments." CreationDate="2020-09-28T15:44:43.423" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11154" PostId="5661" Score="9" Text="Three things: 3. You clearly explain *how* to use your tool to do what the question is asking for. (This is essential for a good answer anyway, but even more so in cases of self-promotion)" CreationDate="2020-09-28T16:08:51.787" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="11155" PostId="5661" Score="3" Text="So the best form of the example answers would be something like: &quot;This great FOSS tool that I wrote can be used to do exactly what you need, like so: ...&quot;" CreationDate="2020-09-28T16:10:32.093" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="11156" PostId="5661" Score="2" Text="@muru yes, very true. I figured I should focus on the things that are needed specifically for self-promotion answers, which is why I didn't mention it, but you're absolutely right: it's even more important to show how the tool would be used when it's your tool." CreationDate="2020-09-28T16:15:44.407" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11157" PostId="5661" Score="0" Text="*&quot;it's even more important to show how the tool would be used when it's your tool&quot;*. Yes indeed. I didn't want to jump to &quot;answers&quot; yet if even in comments would be wrong. Thanks for taking the time to answer!" CreationDate="2020-09-28T21:51:20.927" UserId="338177" />
  <row Id="11158" PostId="5661" Score="2" Text="I'd add something else to this.  As I mentioned at https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/a/5624/5132 the important thing here is the _audience_.  Unix &amp; Linux Stack Exchange is for _users_ (including superusers) not for _programmers_.  So if you write a tool, don't just dump readers at raw source code in a git repository browser.  Point them at a _user manual_." CreationDate="2020-10-02T07:14:24.790" UserId="5132" />
  <row Id="11159" PostId="5661" Score="0" Text="@JdeBP I unnecessarely stressed about FOSS and gitlab, but was not my intention to imply that I would send the users to read the code. As you say, I would, if appropriate, mention a manual. I find very interesting the point of view of the answer you link, food fo thought." CreationDate="2020-10-02T15:46:48.243" UserId="338177" />
  <row Id="11160" PostId="5662" Score="13" Text="Let's ... be careful with the language. Can you point to places where users of this site have attacked or threatened you? Please keep in mind that votes (up- or down-) are simply clicks on a button that change numbers in a database of some kind; they are not attacks or threats. As you saw, voting fraud is often caught and corrected automatically by the StackExchange system." CreationDate="2020-10-13T20:33:31.310" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11161" PostId="5664" Score="0" Text="How do these links open for you? I can't get my firefox to treat `news://` or `nntp://` as links, it goes straight to searching for them in a search engine." CreationDate="2020-10-16T16:07:46.447" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11162" PostId="5664" Score="0" Text="I'm not intimately familiar with CommonMark, but am aware of recent changes there: https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/348746/307535" CreationDate="2020-10-16T16:08:29.757" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11163" PostId="5664" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller I'm thinking it might be because the `news://` and `nntp://` aren't recognized as valid URLs (and they aren't, as far as I can tell). Maybe Stéphane has some sort of browser extension that can handle them? Or am I alone in not being able to get them to open? Stéphane, did these used to work in the past?" CreationDate="2020-10-16T16:11:43.950" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11164" PostId="5664" Score="1" Text="@terdon, they are standard. They're in [RFC1738](https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1738) (1994). Not many browsers still support them. `lynx` does as I said in the question, and you can always configure your firefox to spawn `lynx` in an xterm to handle them." CreationDate="2020-10-16T16:18:41.710" UserId="22565" />
  <row Id="11165" PostId="5664" Score="0" Text="Ah, yes sorry. I had missed the part about lynx. Fair enough." CreationDate="2020-10-17T14:55:19.520" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11166" PostId="5659" Score="0" Text="&quot;Copyright infringment&quot; isn't really the right term here, but I can't think of a better title.  We've had a question get locked over this crap: https://unix.stackexchange.com/posts/521724/revisions (revision 3 description)" CreationDate="2020-10-19T10:23:17.097" UserId="194318" />
  <row Id="11168" PostId="5669" Score="1" Text="There is no `-n` nor `-d` in POSIX `read` (because it's &quot;limited&quot;), so &quot;doesn't work&quot; was probably intended to be a polite way to say something about that suggestion." CreationDate="2020-11-04T06:28:32.033" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="11169" PostId="5669" Score="1" Text="You mention &quot;moderators&quot; in you message, but since none of the users that you mention are actual moderators on this site I assume that you mean this in the looser sense &quot;contributor&quot; or &quot;editor&quot;. At the time of writing, [the site has four moderators](https://unix.stackexchange.com/users?tab=moderators)." CreationDate="2020-11-04T06:39:34.497" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="11170" PostId="5669" Score="0" Text="Regarding observation 3. If the user deleted their comment, why is this an issue?" CreationDate="2020-11-04T06:42:44.857" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="11171" PostId="5669" Score="0" Text="Heh, if anything, I thought you might have upvoted my answer, since the most recent activity on my answer and on that question was by you. Also, to clarify, when I said &quot;horrendously slow,&quot; I meant the operation in general, not just the specific read of a MB. It's like doing a `while read line; do echo &quot;$line&quot; | sed ...; done` instead of just `sed ...`." CreationDate="2020-11-04T15:24:48.583" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="11172" PostId="5669" Score="0" Text="No, you're wrong. It's me who upvoted muru's answer, not Stephen Kitt. I upvoted it not because I found it great, but because I found it no shittier than the highly upvoted answer by Gilles, which I had downvoted (because it made incorrect claims, like that `cat` ever choked on NUL bytes or inputs not terminated by newlines). I was unaware of all the drama around that Q&amp;A -- I got there by just idly clicking around." CreationDate="2020-11-04T17:31:22.347" UserDisplayName="user313992" />
  <row Id="11174" PostId="5671" Score="2" Text="[It was me](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5669/are-new-users-subjected-to-prejudicial-or-intensified-scrutiny-by-moderators#comment11172_5669) who upvoted muru's answer and downvoted Gilles' answer. Now everybody should know where to direct their comtempt and derision." CreationDate="2020-11-04T18:03:39.747" UserDisplayName="user313992" />
  <row Id="11176" PostId="5671" Score="3" Text="@user414777 at themselves, I should hope, if they reckon votes on Unix.SE should result in directing contempt and derision anywhere..." CreationDate="2020-11-04T21:55:11.987" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="11177" PostId="5669" Score="2" Text="The &quot;add a comment&quot; link is not a real link; it dynamically creates a comment form on the page when clicked, and going to the URL as you have takes you nowhere, suggesting that JavaScript is not working for you. The deletion button is the same." CreationDate="2020-11-05T05:12:18.470" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="11178" PostId="5672" Score="3" Text="Quick notes: meta is usually the right way to have this conversation. `fd` is a real program (https://github.com/sharkdp/fd), so probably the tag needs to be removed when it’s about file-descriptors?" CreationDate="2020-11-08T01:02:41.550" UserId="301073" />
  <row Id="11180" PostId="5670" Score="2" Text="I am able to comment, upvote, downvote, delete my posts etc using a more recent system: Microsoft Windows [Version 10.0.18362.418], Chrome Version 86.0.4240.183 (Official Build) (32-bit).  Thank you for your help." CreationDate="2020-11-10T04:03:40.887" UserId="439154" />
  <row Id="11183" PostId="5676" Score="0" Text="There has been a lot of hypocrisy going on in the chat room. When I asked about technical questions, I was usually either ignored or directed elsewhere. When I followed others to discuss politics, I  was usually warned and kicked out. Other users including the moderators and elites could discuss anything in ANY topics, and it is always fine!  Where do you draw the line? No moderator is the owner of the chatroom. Last but not least, I am suspended on all the rooms in the entire Stack Exchange network! Is that not abuse of moderation power? Is that not moderator brutality?" CreationDate="2020-11-12T18:16:54.660" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="11184" PostId="5676" Score="2" Text="@Tim no, it isn't. Go look up the meaning of the word &quot;brutality&quot; and try and get some perspective. But I am not going to debate this with you again. I and many other users have tried for several years. You asked why you were suspended, and I told you why." CreationDate="2020-11-12T18:22:43.123" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11186" PostId="5676" Score="0" Text="You have already acted on the past messages that you linked, by suspending my account several times unfairly. What  exactly I have written since then, triggered this two-month-long network-wide atrocity which prevents me in  all the other irrelevant chatrooms?" CreationDate="2020-11-12T18:30:53.303" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="11187" PostId="5676" Score="3" Text="@Tim well, just here in the comments, you have already used extreme language like &quot;brutality&quot; (but you have deleted the comment now) and &quot;atrocity&quot; to describe being blocked from chatting on some online chat server. So I don't see that you're getting it at all. The specific trigger this time was [this deleted message](https://chat.stackexchange.com/messages/56133538/history) where you again talked about &quot;moderator and elite brutality&quot;. The reason, however, is that ***you keep doing this and ignore all our attempts to get you to stop***." CreationDate="2020-11-12T18:34:37.397" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11188" PostId="5676" Score="0" Text="When I replied why I couldn't post there, you furthermore help suppressing me, by preventing me in all the other irrelevant chatrooms on the entire network for   two months?" CreationDate="2020-11-12T18:36:47.910" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="11189" PostId="5676" Score="0" Text="&quot;hypocracy&quot; is a word that I used to understate the fact that you among others have been violating the &quot;rules&quot; which you and alike have been using to persecute other users including me." CreationDate="2020-11-12T19:03:27.157" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="11190" PostId="5676" Score="3" Text="Hiya, @Tim - CM here... you might remember me from such explanations as [this one on AU meta](https://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/19306/why-am-i-suspended-from-the-chatrooms-of-this-site-for-almost-a-year/19309#19309). I can attest that the U&amp;L mods acted with great deliberation in coming to this decision. One thing you need to understand is that we have a concept of &quot;breaking the community&quot; - even if no specific action is enough to cause a suspension, a collection of them can show a user as being unable to participate in a way that the community responds positively to." CreationDate="2020-11-12T20:20:42.777" UserId="157937" />
  <row Id="11191" PostId="5676" Score="3" Text="This means that we look at all actions as a whole and the past responses to them and judge whether they were sufficient or if more is needed. Your activity in chat over the years has been regularly problematic and causing issues with *many* sites, not only U&amp;L. You've gotten only short suspensions from chat other than the one I removed. Because you've continued to act in a way that shows you're causing discomfort for others in chat, it was determined that a longer suspension was in the best interests of the communities." CreationDate="2020-11-12T20:22:34.143" UserId="157937" />
  <row Id="11192" PostId="5676" Score="3" Text="Additionally, as you can refresh your memory, I've already explained that there's no way for a moderator to prevent access by one user to a specific room, chat suspensions are all or nothing, not per site or per room. As such, what you're asking is not possible. You can not be blocked from a subset of rooms only. This was absolutely taken into account when deciding to give you the longer suspension and was determined that it was necessary, regardless, and that many sites may benefit from you having some time away from chat." CreationDate="2020-11-12T20:24:08.393" UserId="157937" />
  <row Id="11193" PostId="5676" Score="0" Text="@Catija Please don't keep insulting me.  You only acted that once in my favor, because I exposed it in a public meta post and some moderator helped me to reach you. But the rest? Your long term ignorance of my complaints, and your inaction and encouragement of the abuses are the reason that I and other victims keep fighting. How calm do you want me to be after being tortured for years under your management?" CreationDate="2020-11-12T20:25:47.097" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="11194" PostId="5676" Score="0" Text="@Catija So why suddenly jump out to attack me, after ignoring numerous complaints for so long?" CreationDate="2020-11-12T20:32:46.630" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="11195" PostId="5676" Score="0" Text="@Catija Are you proud of repeating &quot;You can not be blocked from a subset of rooms only&quot;, after I told you it is systematic discrimination several months ago and nothing has changed? (That being said, what about the violation of the same &quot;rules&quot; of moderators which they used to persecute other users?)" CreationDate="2020-11-12T20:35:35.240" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="11196" PostId="5676" Score="7" Text="@Tim I think you need to take some time to cool off. Right now you're continuing to do what terdon - and many other mods - have asked you to stop. You're using extremely charged language to describe things to make yourself out as a victim on par with someone being &quot;tortured&quot;, &quot;discriminated&quot;, and &quot;victimized&quot;. These terms are exactly what's causing you to be pushed away and excluded. They are alienating and make people unwilling to help you because they seem too extreme to be founded in actual behavior. None of the mods on this network would do any of those things." CreationDate="2020-11-12T20:38:27.753" UserId="157937" />
  <row Id="11197" PostId="5676" Score="0" Text="@Catija Your denial of truth and asking me to be silent is not the solution. How about you and some moderators having some empathy, humanity, justice?" CreationDate="2020-11-12T20:40:02.413" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="11198" PostId="5676" Score="0" Text="@Catija since you brought up our last communication, please answered my question again: who reparented my stackexchange chat account to meta.se, to increase my suspension drastically? Have you ever looked into that issue? Have you answered my question? Let me say again: whoever did that is abuse of power and should be held accountable!" CreationDate="2020-11-12T20:44:31.233" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="11199" PostId="5676" Score="0" Text="@Catija I was very polite and had been avoiding conflicts for many years, until some users  started to harass me and moderators started to help them abuse me. I am still so and ignoring them most of time. But as long as the unjust suspensions still last and because I have suffered abuses and retaliations numerous times in years, I cannot calm down. No one with feelings can calm down." CreationDate="2020-11-12T20:52:41.197" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="11200" PostId="5676" Score="0" Text="@Catija Again on &quot;You can not be blocked from a subset of rooms only&quot;,  remember I told you that when there is room-wise action available, using network-wise action on irrelevant rooms is abuse of power. This abuse needs to be stopped!" CreationDate="2020-11-12T21:00:53.657" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="11201" PostId="5676" Score="0" Text="@Catija That chatroom of unix.stackexchange.com has no rules at all. They talk about corruptions in stack exchange (e.g. Monica) and politics (e.g. world leaders), prostate, food, cars and anything all the time. More importantly, the moderators that censored me are not  owners of that room. I had been using that room years before any of them became a user of this site, and no one had ever censored others." CreationDate="2020-11-12T21:16:17.723" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="11206" PostId="5678" Score="8" Text="Yes; providing an answer, even community-wiki, allows that answer to be voted on, which then marks the question as &quot;answered&quot; (not unanswered), even if the OP doesn't click the accept button. This helps future answerers focus on questions that still need answers." CreationDate="2020-11-18T14:47:34.857" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11218" PostId="4628" Score="0" Text="Comments to result in an edit are a nice subset. Comments indicating posts wildly incorrect or bad practices (maybe upvoted and/or accepted that cannot be edited and saved), are also important, similar to any fair use of downvotes. But I believe most (skilled) people don't care to make these comments, and they are right, they get nothing for this, they even get penalty for a fair downvote." CreationDate="2020-11-22T10:23:41.307" UserId="216907" />
  <row Id="11219" PostId="4628" Score="0" Text="Bear in mind that I’m assuming that “reputation points and badges don’t matter in the grand scheme of things”. I don’t care that comments don’t gain *me* anything, nor do I care that downvotes cost me (and I often get the rep from downvotes back anyway, either because the downvoted answer is deleted, or edited such that I undownvote it, or because I hit the rep cap). Comments indicating that posts are wildly incorrect or bad practices still have a (theoretical) path to deletion, either when the post is deleted or fixed." CreationDate="2020-11-22T12:23:05.367" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="11233" PostId="5686" Score="0" Text="Generally speaking (not for this case), if I remember correctly, cross posting is not unacceptable if it is not expected to receive reply. Additionally, if a site has been fair without me having to worry my posts being downoted, closed and removed into invisibility, will I have to resort to cross posting?" CreationDate="2020-11-29T12:16:26.610" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="11235" PostId="5686" Score="0" Text="In this case, I remember I wasn't satisfied by the answer in the link you gave (do check out my comment there), so I posted here, trying to get second opinion. Is that not reasonable?" CreationDate="2020-11-29T12:27:45.527" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="11236" PostId="5686" Score="0" Text="Things now went a step further in the wrong direction, after my chat account was suspended for two months on all the sites, because some moderator at this site discriminated against me while allowing themselves to talk about the  similar and many other topics. I am still waiting for reinstatement of my chat account." CreationDate="2020-11-29T12:29:58.903" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="11237" PostId="5686" Score="4" Text="@Tim Neither question references the other (explaining the cross-posting) and both are verbatim copies of each other (not tailored for the individual sites). Neither question has accepted answers, which makes me believe you're not happy with the answer on U&amp;L either. Since the U&amp;L question is newer, it makes more sense to close it here than over on the Ubuntu site. You may obviously choose to delete your question over there in which case I'm more than happy to reopen your question here on U&amp;L." CreationDate="2020-11-29T12:43:51.637" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="11238" PostId="5687" Score="9" Text="Can you explain why you feel the user is attacking you? I don't see what part of the answer you are perceiving as an attack. You are absolutely right about the comment, that was indeed rude and uncalled for, but it has been deleted. Without that comment, I don't see the answer itself as an attack. It's an unhelpful answer, yes, but why is it an attack?" CreationDate="2020-11-29T16:46:01.430" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11239" PostId="5687" Score="2" Text="@terdon probably i read the answer after read the comment. So the word &quot;You&quot; already sounds bad. Thanks for listening and removing the comment. Feel better now." CreationDate="2020-11-29T17:02:11.943" UserDisplayName="user390930" />
  <row Id="11240" PostId="5687" Score="6" Text="Yes, I can completely understand why you would read the answer as more aggressive if you'd first read the comment (I didn't delete it, by the way, another mod got it)." CreationDate="2020-11-29T17:08:21.127" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11241" PostId="5686" Score="0" Text="@Tim I deleted the first comment here. Once again: if you have problems with the moderation of another site, take it to that site. We will not give you a platform to complain about or attack other site moderators." CreationDate="2020-11-29T18:10:41.690" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11242" PostId="5686" Score="0" Text="... and I have edited one of @Tim's subsequent comments to remove a similar comment." CreationDate="2020-11-30T02:52:36.210" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11243" PostId="5689" Score="2" Text="Related: https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/136 and https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5435 and similar posts." CreationDate="2020-12-01T07:16:05.650" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="11245" PostId="5689" Score="0" Text="This is a feature request, for a feature already available in SO, to be available for the UL also." CreationDate="2020-12-02T01:36:05.880" UserId="216907" />
  <row Id="11249" PostId="5687" Score="1" Text="Sadly, that's (mostly) the entire Stack Exchange network in a nutshell." CreationDate="2020-12-05T01:03:18.477" UserId="335196" />
  <row Id="11252" PostId="5692" Score="0" Text="I have updated the answer as per your suggestion." CreationDate="2020-12-06T19:00:29.220" UserId="206574" />
  <row Id="11253" PostId="5693" Score="0" Text="I have updated the answer as per your suggestion." CreationDate="2020-12-06T19:00:34.087" UserId="206574" />
  <row Id="11254" PostId="5692" Score="1" Text="@blueray The answer looks really good now." CreationDate="2020-12-06T19:20:58.627" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="11255" PostId="5692" Score="0" Text="You could extend the argument to  &quot;not even the accepted answer need to be correct&quot; ... but again, another story ;)" CreationDate="2020-12-07T13:15:50.080" UserId="377345" />
  <row Id="11256" PostId="5694" Score="0" Text="Can you link to the specific edit or at least the specific answer? &quot;first&quot; isn't very clear since the order the answers are displayed in changes." CreationDate="2020-12-07T14:51:59.743" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11262" PostId="5694" Score="0" Text="https://unix.stackexchange.com/revisions/65087/2 added it in 2013" CreationDate="2020-12-08T06:02:22.007" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="11266" PostId="5695" Score="0" Text="I wouldn't say the answer was incorrect - it was just misworded (it did always show the use of `progress2` correctly as `--info=progress2`)." CreationDate="2020-12-09T03:04:57.957" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="11269" PostId="5695" Score="0" Text="And it was upvoted for `--info=progress2`." CreationDate="2020-12-10T00:02:40.247" UserId="216907" />
  <row Id="11273" PostId="5689" Score="0" Text="Still I use &quot;suitable for SO&quot; for questions about hardware stuff or BIOS or other." CreationDate="2020-12-15T12:37:27.487" UserId="216907" />
  <row Id="11274" PostId="3657" Score="0" Text="Thanks for asking for including Unix/Linux programming questions. It is a request by more than just you. Please keep up the push, and give some support here https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5697/lets-return-to-the-full-meaning-of-unix-linux, so that it can become visible" CreationDate="2020-12-15T15:42:38.227" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="11276" PostId="3912" Score="0" Text="@peterh-ReinstateMonica This site does little about the attacks. Changes always happen from the bottom up." CreationDate="2020-12-15T15:43:40.937" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="11277" PostId="3912" Score="0" Text="Thanks for support of including Unix/Linux programming questions. It is a request by more than just you. Please keep up the push, and give some upvote here https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5697/lets-return-to-the-full-meaning-of-unix-linux, so that it can become visible again or avoid becoming invisible again." CreationDate="2020-12-15T15:48:22.980" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="11279" PostId="301" Score="0" Text="If you want to  include Unix/Linux programming questions into the scope, . It is a request by more than just you. Please keep up the push, and give some upvote here https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5697/lets-return-to-the-full-meaning-of-unix-linux, so that it can become visible again." CreationDate="2020-12-15T15:51:14.337" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="11281" PostId="868" Score="0" Text="If you want to  include Unix/Linux programming questions into the scope, It is a request by more than just you. Please keep up the push, and give some upvote here https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5697/lets-return-to-the-full-meaning-of-unix-linux, so that it can become visible again or avoid becoming invisible again." CreationDate="2020-12-15T15:57:09.377" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="11282" PostId="870" Score="0" Text="If you want to  include Unix/Linux programming questions into the scope, It is a request by more than just you. Please keep up the push, and give some upvote here https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5697/lets-return-to-the-full-meaning-of-unix-linux, so that it can become visible again or avoid becoming invisible again." CreationDate="2020-12-15T15:57:45.363" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="11283" PostId="5393" Score="1" Text="If you want to include Unix/Linux system programming questions into the scope, It is a request by more than just you. Please keep up the push, because changes always happen from the bottom up, and give some upvote here https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5697/, so that it can become visible again or avoid becoming invisible again." CreationDate="2020-12-15T16:06:55.543" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="11284" PostId="5622" Score="0" Text="If you want to include Unix/Linux system programming questions into the scope, It is a request by more than just you. Please keep up the push, because changes always happen from the bottom up, and give some upvote here https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5697/, so that it can become visible again or avoid becoming invisible again." CreationDate="2020-12-15T16:08:49.490" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="11285" PostId="5626" Score="0" Text="Well said.........." CreationDate="2020-12-15T16:10:07.787" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="11286" PostId="5624" Score="0" Text="&quot;all of the communities are described in terms of the people that read and write the questions and answers, not in terms of the subject matters.&quot; Now I have better understanding of the sentence. If you want to include *nix system programming questions here, please keep pushing. Changes always happen from the bottom up." CreationDate="2020-12-15T16:13:33.153" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="11287" PostId="5626" Score="0" Text="@Tim Yes, in theory it can happen from bottom, but in practice the &quot;up&quot; controls the &quot;bottom&quot;. And they do it not very nicely. Once I read a top SO boss said that they &quot;do not divide stack overflow&quot;. Congruently, somehow programming-related questions are off-topic on all SE sites, except the SO; although all the mods/powerusers denied that it would be a commandment from &quot;higher levels&quot;. However, this is not a very strong rule. I think the &quot;bottom&quot; is more efficient if they combine &quot;below the radar&quot; actions with meta convincing." CreationDate="2020-12-15T16:19:55.703" UserId="52236" />
  <row Id="11288" PostId="5626" Score="0" Text="@Tim Note, the &quot;up&quot; is still stronger and still not nice, so the chances are low, but still this is the correct way what should be done. If I can avoid the SO, I do." CreationDate="2020-12-15T16:20:11.420" UserId="52236" />
  <row Id="11295" PostId="5698" Score="0" Text="Note that code blocks are not supported inside table cells. They may work, but there's no guarantee they will continue to work." CreationDate="2020-12-16T18:16:00.773" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="11296" PostId="5698" Score="0" Text="@muru I did use &lt;pre&gt;...&lt;/pre&gt;, that is still apply for this tag too?" CreationDate="2020-12-16T18:23:15.620" UserId="72456" />
  <row Id="11297" PostId="5698" Score="0" Text="Yes, it doesn't matter how you got it, only inline content is supported." CreationDate="2020-12-16T18:24:33.023" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="11298" PostId="5698" Score="0" Text="@muru thanks for pointing that; that's fine, as long as they work it's OK and we can use it, but I don't think so we can see much table use feature in U&amp;L's Qs/As, it makes posts less readable when editing. I just posted answer that there is something new added &quot;tables&quot;;" CreationDate="2020-12-16T18:29:59.750" UserId="72456" />
  <row Id="11299" PostId="5699" Score="0" Text="Related: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/303637/se-paid-membership-with-payout-to-users-who-answer-questions and https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/25615/offering-actual-money-as-a-bounty" CreationDate="2020-12-19T17:24:42.467" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="11302" PostId="5703" Score="0" Text="I believe the question is not about mixing/transforming the existing SE sites with any paid service, like most of these links say. But if there is a separate private service, offered by Stackoverfow the company, like &quot;Teams&quot;, where additionally to hosting/supporting the creation and maintenance of a private knowledge base, someone could hire professionals of specific domains, dedicated to that service. I am not aware of if such a choice is available for Stackoverflow &quot;Teams&quot;." CreationDate="2020-12-21T16:41:40.363" UserId="216907" />
  <row Id="11303" PostId="5695" Score="0" Text="Sorry for the change. I had a closer look into this. This edit is not necessary for sure. And it copies a different answer (giving false credits to a comment made many years later)." CreationDate="2020-12-25T16:14:55.380" UserId="216907" />
  <row Id="11309" PostId="2668" Score="0" Text="This is the post I want to die one day with.." CreationDate="2020-12-30T19:59:01.130" UserId="72988" />
  <row Id="11310" PostId="2720" Score="0" Text="I would like to meet in personal Stephane, Slm, Terdon and Gilles, the apparent hidden champions." CreationDate="2020-12-30T20:03:23.283" UserId="72988" />
  <row Id="11311" PostId="5708" Score="1" Text="Hi @Timo. Thanks for the answer. It's been a while since this thread was active." CreationDate="2021-01-02T07:16:13.137" UserId="4671" />
  <row Id="11312" PostId="5700" Score="0" Text="Your post is fine even though they don't think so. So I upvoted your post and voted to reopen it. They also downvoted my post into invisible https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5697/lets-return-to-the-full-meaning-of-unix-linux." CreationDate="2021-01-02T15:14:11.497" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="11313" PostId="5711" Score="2" Text="Today I learned about changing highlighting for tags -- thank you!" CreationDate="2021-01-04T01:05:30.263" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11314" PostId="5710" Score="0" Text="Glorfindel's answer makes me wonder if it's a problem for bash shebang as well." CreationDate="2021-01-04T01:06:19.187" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11315" PostId="5710" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller, my point here was more a feature request about getting the highlighter to consider the shebang. Yes, I've seen the highlighter making the wrong guess for a number of languages, not only zsh." CreationDate="2021-01-04T06:40:46.913" UserId="22565" />
  <row Id="11316" PostId="5713" Score="1" Text="Heh, you beat me there ;) Just a comment: The [Help page indicates](https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/privileges/comment) that only the first three letters after the `@` are actually used for user matching when pinging, so this kind of typo should not matter in addressing the user mentioned here." CreationDate="2021-01-05T09:36:46.027" UserId="377345" />
  <row Id="11317" PostId="4086" Score="0" Text="XD I'm not going to type out error text if I can't copy it out of the window." CreationDate="2021-01-07T19:19:42.897" UserId="434367" />
  <row Id="11318" PostId="4086" Score="0" Text="@estrando please take the time to actually read the post before commenting. Of course you won't copy it out if you don't have a choice. That would be what the last paragraph is about. However, many people will come here and post _screenshots_ of their text editor to show us a script, for example. That's what we're trying to avoid. Nobody is suggesting you should transcribe it by hand when you cannot copy. Unless it's just a few lines in which case, please do so." CreationDate="2021-01-07T19:45:54.907" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11319" PostId="5718" Score="1" Text="I do wonder a bit about the package management tag in the face of existing package manager tags (`yum`, `rpm`, `apt`, etc), but that's a discussion for another day." CreationDate="2021-01-08T12:50:18.607" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11320" PostId="5716" Score="0" Text="There's some [history of the package-management tag](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/3692/cleanup-of-the-packaging-tags) here that I'd like to link in." CreationDate="2021-01-08T12:52:11.667" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11321" PostId="5718" Score="0" Text="Yeah, I wondered about that point too in the past ..." CreationDate="2021-01-08T12:58:23.063" UserId="377345" />
  <row Id="11323" PostId="5720" Score="5" Text="@Quasímodo this is one of my personal pet peeves. I _hate_ how often you see questions written as &quot;how to foo?&quot;, it drives me up the wall and I regularly edit to make them into actual questions." CreationDate="2021-01-08T15:46:17.250" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11325" PostId="5720" Score="3" Text="&quot;How to _____?&quot; is an abbreviated form of &quot;Can someone show/tell me how to _____?&quot;.  Colloquially it's fine, but I personally prefer the complete interrogative (&quot;How can I _____?&quot;) in the context of a question title." CreationDate="2021-01-08T20:57:09.490" UserId="20246" />
  <row Id="11326" PostId="5719" Score="0" Text="The same feature has been in place for posting questions." CreationDate="2021-01-09T05:35:20.657" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="11327" PostId="5718" Score="2" Text="it's never a bad thing to have a general tag and a precise one, it allows for asking general questions about things and precise question about something specific." CreationDate="2021-01-09T22:10:39.363" UserId="53092" />
  <row Id="11328" PostId="5720" Score="1" Text="@terdon There is nothing unusual in sites that are mainly policed by unpaid volunteers becoming the playthings of those volunteers, regardless of the wider community. Whether it drives away people who don't like being told what to do by people who *think* they know everything worth knowing doesn't usually bother the perpetrators. Enjoy keeping your little playpen in your idea of perfect order." CreationDate="2021-01-10T19:35:16.663" UserId="130099" />
  <row Id="11329" PostId="5722" Score="0" Text="Valid remark. The thing is: It is some reviewers' understanding that too minor edits, i.e., those that improve the post but very slightly, should be rejected. (I have updated the post with more examples of such rejections.) There is no guideline which says that is a wrong or right understanding. The kinder alternatives I have written had those reviews in mind. Another reason for rejection could be &quot;Although this edit improves {this}, it also harms {that}.&quot;" CreationDate="2021-01-10T21:49:36.603" UserId="388654" />
  <row Id="11330" PostId="5722" Score="2" Text="@Quasímodo for &quot;_Although this edit improves {this}, it also harms {that}_&quot;, isn't that what the Accept-but-Edit option is for?" CreationDate="2021-01-11T10:01:32.257" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="11331" PostId="5722" Score="1" Text="@roaima AFAIK there is no consensus on that. Too few `{this}` and too `{much}` could warrant a rejection, and vice-versa. Even admittedly 100% good edits, but too minor, are rejected sometimes." CreationDate="2021-01-11T13:47:29.177" UserId="388654" />
  <row Id="11332" PostId="5717" Score="1" Text="In the good faith edit, the comment isn’t muru’s, it’s the standard reason given for “reject and edit” (see [this other example](https://unix.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/362302))." CreationDate="2021-01-12T08:35:16.857" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="11334" PostId="5723" Score="0" Text="Some previous discussion on MSE: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/200391/allow-another-close-vote-after-retraction" CreationDate="2021-01-14T11:23:31.447" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11335" PostId="5723" Score="0" Text="It looks like re-casting a retracted vote is not possible in order to prevent abuse (and it is actually possible [once the &quot;aging&quot; period is over](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/200391/allow-another-close-vote-after-retraction#comment867915_200391)). The [Ability to change close reason before it gets closed](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/863/410681) has been asked for several times on the main Meta; I wasn't able to spot the rationale for not implementing it (except for the implicit &quot;it's not worth the work&quot;)." CreationDate="2021-01-14T13:49:39.680" UserId="315749" />
  <row Id="11336" PostId="5725" Score="0" Text="I marked them all as being sh for syntax highlighting, I think that fixed it." CreationDate="2021-01-15T05:01:37.683" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="11337" PostId="5725" Score="0" Text="To increase the chances of action being taken: noting that all this seems to be &quot;by design&quot; (based on [this](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/353983/goodbye-prettify-hello-highlight-js-swapping-out-our-syntax-highlighter/355375#355375) and the way languages are [inferred from tags](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/184109/410681)) which part of the issue can we single out as buggy behavior? The highlighter autodetection feature? The way languages are inferred from tags? Code in talics, regardless of how effectively languages are guessed? Something else?" CreationDate="2021-01-15T22:45:27.377" UserId="315749" />
  <row Id="11338" PostId="5719" Score="0" Text="A bit clunky, but the input field under &quot;The following tags:&quot; in the form that shows up when clicking the Filter button on the Questions page does provide automatic completion. Though, as far as I can tell, it requires you to apply the filter first and add your keywords to the search bar as a second step." CreationDate="2021-01-15T23:12:15.447" UserId="315749" />
  <row Id="11339" PostId="5725" Score="1" Text="@fra-san, for one, that question has two tags that have a language setting (awk and perl). Either would be fine as a highlighting syntax for the answer, but it uses neither. Second, the fallback it uses (if it's a fallback) is completely useless on this site, the same way treating `/* */` as comments by default is (or was. if it's changed now, that is.) Could be that having two conflicting tags is exactly what causes it, but that's effin idiotic behaviour." CreationDate="2021-01-15T23:38:33.783" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="11340" PostId="5722" Score="3" Text="@Quasímodo Exactly. If I have to undo 3 useless/harmful changes just to keep 1 actual improvement, I'd rather reject-and-edit and put that one improvement back in." CreationDate="2021-01-18T09:46:02.580" UserId="106927" />
  <row Id="11341" PostId="5722" Score="1" Text="@Quasímodo the rule of thumb is whenever you spend less time going from 0 (for reject-and-edit ) or you can build upon the edit (improve)." CreationDate="2021-01-18T14:45:55.570" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="11342" PostId="5718" Score="0" Text="The software installation was meant for a catch all that didn't fit with the most specific tags, like the specific package managers. For package managers, I prefer not having a general tag for all of them, since each has their own name and set of quirks." CreationDate="2021-01-19T15:37:09.640" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="11345" PostId="5734" Score="0" Text="Ok, thanks for the info. I hadn't followed meta.SE for some time and obviously missed that. Perhaps we should keep the question for the moment just in case anyone else is confused (but I should probably delete it in 1-2 weeks to remove noise)." CreationDate="2021-02-01T08:16:43.510" UserId="377345" />
  <row Id="11346" PostId="5735" Score="24" Text="Please don't..." CreationDate="2021-02-03T21:25:32.367" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="11349" PostId="5737" Score="2" Text="Dark mode is only enabled for Stack Overflow and its translations into other languages. Looking at your profile, none of the sites you use have it except SO, if you see them in dark mode, then you have some user script or style doing it." CreationDate="2021-02-04T09:20:16.133" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11350" PostId="5735" Score="12" Text="Such news makes me feel I've made the correct choice by moving to a different website whenever I feel like helping people on topics related to Unix&amp;Linux." CreationDate="2021-02-04T09:24:42.627" UserId="217523" />
  <row Id="11351" PostId="5737" Score="0" Text="@terdon oops, yeah I forgot about Darkreader. My bad." CreationDate="2021-02-04T09:27:11.457" UserId="398034" />
  <row Id="11352" PostId="5738" Score="2" Text="Hopefully any AIX customers know that IBM is the support vendor for it. We do have AIX questions &amp; answers on the site already; maybe that will grow. Of course, there's IBM's recent purchase of Red Hat, and we already have a large number of Linux questions. While I generally think that having a variety of options makes for healthy competition, I think it would be valuable to concentrate Linux and AIX experts at one Q/A site in order to raise the breadth and quality of knowledge there." CreationDate="2021-02-04T10:54:54.457" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11353" PostId="5738" Score="3" Text="I've noticed that IBM has rearranged their community boards recently, which could reduce the number of regular visitors there.   In any event, this sponsorship is new for U&amp;L, so hopefully it turns out to be valuable on both sides!" CreationDate="2021-02-04T10:55:47.867" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11354" PostId="5738" Score="27" Text="Ha, guess what? It is nothing more, nothing less than a tracking DoubleClick add. Just hover the mouse and behold the wicked URL. It's a shame because otherwise there are no lurking hazards in our interface. Could do without it..." CreationDate="2021-02-04T14:36:58.883" UserId="388654" />
  <row Id="11355" PostId="5735" Score="21" Text="At least it's not Microsoft I guess ..." CreationDate="2021-02-04T23:40:25.733" UserId="305714" />
  <row Id="11356" PostId="5735" Score="12" Text="how long until the free section of U&amp;L becomes EOL?" CreationDate="2021-02-05T11:49:29.477" UserId="139042" />
  <row Id="11357" PostId="5738" Score="1" Text="@Quasímodo Ah, that's silly. I based my answer on the fact that other such banners load just fine on other SE sites with uMatrix blocking Google's javascript. You can disable the tracking pixel and if you don't click the link no data goes to Google, AFAICT. However, there's no point really, just make it a simple link." CreationDate="2021-02-05T18:38:26.957" UserId="59808" />
  <row Id="11358" PostId="5739" Score="20" Text="Maybe the banner is meant for managers who buy IBM products, and IBM doesn't want to hear from people who know how to install extensions on a browser. :)" CreationDate="2021-02-05T18:44:26.800" UserId="59808" />
  <row Id="11359" PostId="5739" Score="1" Text="It is a static SVG actually, https://cdn.sstatic.net/Sites/unix/Img/LogoSponsored.svg See https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/a/5738/59808" CreationDate="2021-02-05T18:46:16.893" UserId="59808" />
  <row Id="11361" PostId="5735" Score="4" Text="I didn't even see the IBM logo until I saw &quot;Featured on Meta&quot; that the logo is supposed to be there, then I realized that my adblocked blocked it." CreationDate="2021-02-06T10:21:36.927" UserId="299364" />
  <row Id="11362" PostId="5735" Score="8" Text="There won't be any incentive for SE to remove posts that are critical of IBM, will there be?" CreationDate="2021-02-07T01:33:38.477" UserId="277264" />
  <row Id="11363" PostId="5739" Score="3" Text="@Nemo point is that it is linked from a server that serves ads so it's being blocked by addlockers. I don't see why its being static (as opposed to what, animated? or am I misunderstanding?) is relevant." CreationDate="2021-02-07T19:57:11.350" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11364" PostId="5739" Score="9" Text="@terdon I think by static he means a simple embedded image, as opposed to something dynamically loaded with JavaScript." CreationDate="2021-02-08T00:26:12.667" UserId="277264" />
  <row Id="11365" PostId="5736" Score="4" Text="The site sponsorship in and of itself does not reallocate or grow engineering resources dedicated to fixing bugs. Our Public Platform team handles both new development and bug fixes for all of the sites across the Stack Exchange network. We recognize that the bug backlog is large, and we are working on internal processes that will help us chip away at it more efficiently." CreationDate="2021-02-08T15:43:26.097" UserId="431992" />
  <row Id="11366" PostId="5735" Score="5" Text="@forest no, that is definitely not a perk of sponsorship." CreationDate="2021-02-08T15:44:07.543" UserId="431992" />
  <row Id="11367" PostId="5739" Score="6" Text="The reason why your adblocker blocks it is because the `||g.doubleclick.net^$3p` rule interacting with the decorator rule." CreationDate="2021-02-09T13:02:21.967" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="11375" PostId="5725" Score="1" Text="Just stopping by to let y'all know that this was seen, and looks like marking the section with `&lt;!-- language-all: sh --&gt;` fixed it here. If you think that there is a more pervasive issue here, please post about it on MSE." CreationDate="2021-02-09T14:46:30.310" UserId="392914" />
  <row Id="11376" PostId="5736" Score="1" Text="Are there any bugs that particularly impact this site that you would like to highlight for attention (can't make any promises)? I took a look through the [bug reports](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/bug?tab=Newest) and am not seeing any recent items (other than [this](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5407/ul-favicon-on-dark-background-is-barely-readable)) that are specific to this site." CreationDate="2021-02-09T14:49:05.137" UserId="392914" />
  <row Id="11383" PostId="5736" Score="0" Text="@YaakovEllis only [Difference between &quot;foo&quot; and “foo”, 'foo' and ‘foo’, — and -- as well](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4955/70524)" CreationDate="2021-02-09T18:16:29.877" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="11398" PostId="5721" Score="0" Text="Btw, wikipedia is much worser than the SE." CreationDate="2021-02-10T15:14:02.543" UserId="52236" />
  <row Id="11406" PostId="5736" Score="0" Text="@YaakovEllis would it help if I added a `status-review` tag to the meta post Muru linked to above?" CreationDate="2021-02-11T16:06:09.553" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11407" PostId="5736" Score="1" Text="@terdon yes please" CreationDate="2021-02-11T17:20:18.097" UserId="392914" />
  <row Id="11408" PostId="5736" Score="0" Text="Done. Thanks, @YaakovEllis!" CreationDate="2021-02-11T17:34:38.863" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11409" PostId="4957" Score="0" Text="I don't know when this happened, but I just noticed that IBM.com's website has [bees as the favicon](https://ibm.com/favicon.ico)." CreationDate="2021-02-12T16:35:18.013" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11412" PostId="5735" Score="1" Text="So that's why I've been seeing a logo in the corner." CreationDate="2021-02-16T16:47:47.990" UserId="306221" />
  <row Id="11413" PostId="5735" Score="3" Text="Eager to hear what additional resources this will bring to U&amp;L." CreationDate="2021-02-17T02:16:40.280" UserId="49439" />
  <row Id="11414" PostId="5745" Score="16" Text="I’m just one person, but check out my profile, see who employs me, and then look at the tags where I answer the most questions..." CreationDate="2021-02-17T10:41:26.627" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="11418" PostId="5735" Score="11" Text="I'm really surprised to see negative feedback on this.  I feel basically neutral on the subject." CreationDate="2021-02-18T23:04:45.790" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="11419" PostId="5744" Score="1" Text="This &quot;answer&quot; is an opinion too..." CreationDate="2021-02-19T16:04:05.507" UserId="187351" />
  <row Id="11420" PostId="5735" Score="3" Text="How much does it cost to sponsor a community for a month? =)" CreationDate="2021-02-20T06:23:48.593" UserId="3285" />
  <row Id="11422" PostId="5746" Score="6" Text="`OK, there's [technology] but it's far beyond your capabilities` -&#xA;well, without a broader context it's hard to say if it's offensive or&#xA;just honest" CreationDate="2021-02-21T22:27:00.053" UserId="72304" />
  <row Id="11423" PostId="5746" Score="20" Text="@ArkadiuszDrabczyk no that's precisely my point.  This statement is pretty universally rude (**honest or not**).  In this regard we are not teachers, and it is not our job to test and appraise the capabilities of other users.  It's not okay to say to any user *&quot;I'm not telling you because you're a noob&quot;*.  It's too easy to convey the same &quot;honest&quot; thought without making it about the user - as I noted in the post above." CreationDate="2021-02-21T23:21:35.370" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="11424" PostId="5720" Score="1" Text="@terdon I think you're going to be increasingly annoyed at this one over time. I suspect within the next 10-20 years it will have slipped into such common use that even grammar text books print it.  Quite aside from whether or not the edit was okay, this particular point of grammar is taking on a life (and meaning) of it's own in much the way that LOL now *doesn't* mean laughing *out loud*.  The incorrect &quot;How to .... ?&quot; scans as a neutral imperative, or less divisive than &quot;how [can|may|should|must] I&quot;.  It's also more google friendly for much the same reason." CreationDate="2021-02-21T23:56:07.227" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="11428" PostId="5746" Score="14" Text="@ArkadiuszDrabczyk There is NO context where one user deciding that another user is too stupid to do something could ever be anything but incredibly pretentious and rude. &quot;This is beyond your capabilities&quot; is saying &quot;there is a way, but you are too stupid to understand it&quot;. Had the author of that not deleted their answer already, I would have suspended. That is absolutely not acceptable under any circumstances." CreationDate="2021-02-22T12:42:29.447" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11429" PostId="5747" Score="9" Text="I appreciate the explanation.  If you regard it as a mistake, then hey... we're all human.  I wonder if this is a weakness in SO's flagging system: &quot;rude / abusive&quot; flags come with no comment so I guess it's easy to miss why a flag was raised.  I wonder if, when flagging entire answers, it may be more useful to raise a custom flag and include a short explanation of the problem." CreationDate="2021-02-22T12:48:24.453" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="11430" PostId="5746" Score="2" Text="@terdon: To me, saying *This is beyond your capabilities* means that *with your&#xA;current knowledge and experience the effort is futile*. Being an&#xA;experienced SE users you must have come across a number of people who&#xA;ask about weird advanced stuff but do not understand basic concepts&#xA;and cannot express their thoughts clearly. You're both overreacting,&#xA;that's it." CreationDate="2021-02-22T12:53:47.123" UserId="72304" />
  <row Id="11431" PostId="5746" Score="14" Text="@ArkadiuszDrabczyk, even if there are lots of question writers on SE who, based on their output, appear to lack some understanding of the finer points of the subject matter, and perhaps even the finer points of proofreading and grammar, that still doesn't mean it's ok to go personal and (in effect) call them idiots just like that. That may seem wrong, but it's part of those weird human-interaction rules. Usually, it's better to assume that they are beginners, and just haven't learned the more advanced stuff yet, or to just _not write anything_ if all you can think of is a personal attack." CreationDate="2021-02-22T13:01:21.317" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="11432" PostId="5746" Score="8" Text="@ArkadiuszDrabczyk We all make assessments of other user's abilities and attempt to frame a response at the OP's level. What you describe is partly true, but the way we phrase it back to the user is very important.  It's fine to suggest that a user might need to read *this* or *that*.  Sometimes we even need to suggest a user looks at some basic tutorials before taking on the advanced task.  But that always infers the user *can* do what they want *if* they do *this* and *that* first.  The phrase in question says &quot;give up here! You're incapable&quot;.  This is very rude." CreationDate="2021-02-22T13:08:28.337" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="11433" PostId="5747" Score="0" Text="@PhilipCouling There is or used to be one option at the end of flagging box, for &quot;other&quot; reasons" CreationDate="2021-02-22T13:34:44.517" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="11434" PostId="5747" Score="0" Text="I am happy to see this issue has been resolved. I wish you continue to be less like the majority of the moderator circle in Stack Exchange network." CreationDate="2021-02-22T13:34:49.097" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="11435" PostId="5746" Score="0" Text="@ArkadiuszDrabczyk I think what you thought as normal is more of cultural differences. A culture can be changed to be more inclusive." CreationDate="2021-02-22T13:37:11.093" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="11436" PostId="5746" Score="0" Text="@ArkadiuszDrabczyk perhaps it's a language issue, but saying &quot;this is beyond your capabilities&quot; is saying &quot;you're too stupid to do this&quot;. It doesn't say &quot;you don't have the necessary experience for this&quot;, it says &quot;you are inherently incapable of doing it, you are a moron, so there's no point in even trying&quot;. It is really, really rude." CreationDate="2021-02-22T13:56:20.547" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11437" PostId="5747" Score="0" Text="@PhilipCouling it depends. I mean, we're all human so there is no sure-fire way to avoid errors, but if you feel that an explanation is needed, then yes, raise a custom flag." CreationDate="2021-02-22T13:57:30.477" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11438" PostId="5746" Score="0" Text="It might be helpful for readers of this post if you could add  a link to the question so we can understand the context (although I agree that this wording is unacceptable)." CreationDate="2021-02-22T15:30:42.763" UserId="377345" />
  <row Id="11439" PostId="5746" Score="0" Text="@AdminBee The original post, now deleted, was _very short_, and the line quoted here was almost 50% of the writer's own input into their answer. There is no real point in linking to it, and I would feel uneasy putting _anyone_ on display for their bad behavior." CreationDate="2021-02-22T16:48:01.767" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="11440" PostId="5746" Score="0" Text="@Kusalananda Ok, I completely understand that - I only found it somewhat strange to have a post tagged as &quot;discussion&quot; when the basis for the discussion is not the &quot;primary data&quot; (so to speak)." CreationDate="2021-02-22T17:09:21.323" UserId="377345" />
  <row Id="11441" PostId="5746" Score="0" Text="Yes, because a &quot;person&quot; is frequently the perpetrator of the issue. God. What's happening to our world?" CreationDate="2021-02-22T19:29:44.950" UserId="228272" />
  <row Id="11442" PostId="5749" Score="1" Text="I'll click accept on this because I feel SE's chosen position should be put first on the answers." CreationDate="2021-02-23T13:18:22.257" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="11443" PostId="5746" Score="3" Text="@RichieHH, can you expand a bit on what you're saying there?" CreationDate="2021-02-23T15:42:12.573" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="11445" PostId="5746" Score="4" Text="Wow, is it me you're discussing behind my back? Amazing! The choice of words is simply astonishing and horrendous: *&quot;libellous personal attacks&quot;* - there was nothing libelous and personal or even an attack. A DRM implementation is **far beyond** the scope of not only this website but probably a university course and the question was asked at unix.stackexchange by a person who was seemingly not versed in programming at all,not even on stackoverflow.com where actual programmers reside. The way it was formulated clearly indicated that the OP had no relationship to CS/software/hardware development" CreationDate="2021-02-24T17:20:33.390" UserId="260833" />
  <row Id="11446" PostId="5746" Score="4" Text="While we're at it, there was no &quot;answers&quot;, just recommendations and insinuations. I prefer to be blunt and give an honest answer. Giving a vague answer in the vein of *&quot;this might be accomplished this and this way&quot;* without any specifics is against the very nature of stackexchange where people get actual knowledge." CreationDate="2021-02-24T17:26:32.243" UserId="260833" />
  <row Id="11447" PostId="5746" Score="3" Text="Looks like I should have given this answer instead, &quot;Given you possess a PhD in CS, you could accomplish this by implementing DRM either in software or/and hardware&quot; but it sounds preposterous because a person with a PhD wouldn't have asked this question in the first place." CreationDate="2021-02-24T17:31:09.487" UserId="260833" />
  <row Id="11448" PostId="5746" Score="3" Text="It's OK to put me in display here: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/635594/to-protect-mp4-mp3-file-from-copying/635617 I'm totally fine with that. We've got our witchhunting session here, so we can as well disclose who we are discussing and why. Looks like at least a few people of this website are willing to let me go, because sometimes I don't mince words and am blunt and I'm OK with that. Perhaps these **rare** occasions of my misbehaviour are a lot more important than the rest of my input as far as I can see since people not even personally involved in the discussion are offended." CreationDate="2021-02-24T17:39:39.660" UserId="260833" />
  <row Id="11449" PostId="5746" Score="4" Text="When I was back in school/university I had no troubles admitting when I was stupid/didn't understand a thing/asked stupid questions. Nowadays, with numerous CoC infesting major projects and organizations, looks like we have to be super polite in the face of outright intellectual disability and waste hours of our time catering to people who not only will not benefit from our knowledge but go away dissatisfied. It's strange the term &quot;snowflake&quot; wants to be applied to the whole issue we're discussing and it's doubly weird it didn't even exist 20 years ago." CreationDate="2021-02-24T17:44:39.673" UserId="260833" />
  <row Id="11450" PostId="5746" Score="3" Text="I mean look at this gigantic discussion about a single honest sentence that I wrote. Hours of people's lives wasted for what? The OP walked away without a solution because he most likely didn't think his question through. He didn't even take time to study the issue - a single Google query would have answered his question. Should we cater to people who **actively** refuse to think, study, become smarter or even ask Google? Yes, this website has gotten worse but differently. If it was for me I would have closed the question right away and asked the person to spend 10 minutes Googling." CreationDate="2021-02-24T17:48:51.127" UserId="260833" />
  <row Id="11452" PostId="5746" Score="4" Text="I'm personally **insulted** by *&quot;libellous personal attacks&quot;* (what a fine choice of words - so subtle, so polite, so factual ... not) but you did that without referring to me specifically, which makes it ... OK ... I guess? Yes? This is just crazy and hideous. And while we're at it, you could have spent under a minute removing/editing the &quot;offending&quot; sentence and sending a message to me without starting this whole major conference about my behavior and how I'm personally &quot;destroying&quot; this website. Banish me and have a sigh of relief. I'm such a low person it seems." CreationDate="2021-02-24T17:56:02.363" UserId="260833" />
  <row Id="11457" PostId="5746" Score="12" Text="@ArtemS.Tashkinov, now that you linked that post, let's consider what you wrote: &quot;there's DRM but it's far beyond your capabilities&quot;. Then in the comments you say, &quot;certainly far beyond the capabilities of even most IT pros&quot;. So, why not say that in the first place? I mean, instead of &quot;it's far beyond _your_ capabilities&quot;, which comes out as elitist and as if you consider yourself better than others, you could have just said &quot;there's DRM, but it's hard to get right, causes interoperability problems, and can be circumvented by recording the analog output anyway.&quot;" CreationDate="2021-02-24T21:17:17.160" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="11458" PostId="5746" Score="4" Text="@ArtemS.Tashkinov, also, dropping the f-word just for getting a downvote? When you know people are, hmm, irrationally allergic to it and it only serves to mark you as being abrasive on purpose? I wonder if it was ok to act like that in your school/university when getting negative feedback? Because if it wasn't ok there, presumably in a face-to-face setting, why should it be ok over the internet, when there's still another person at the other end, even if you don't see them? For some reason, people often seem to forget that the moment they take up their keyboards." CreationDate="2021-02-24T21:23:49.030" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="11459" PostId="5746" Score="4" Text="Of course, there might be some cultural differences here, but hey, I'm Finnish and we're not really known for being extra polite, but FWIW, I still think going personal there instead of just saying &quot;DRM is hard, doesn't work, and in general sucks&quot;, is unnecessary and marks you as an arrogant asshole. Really, it's not even about avoiding personal attacks because of some idiotically misguided happy-happy code of conduct, but because _the point wasn't on the person_, who you probably don't really know at all." CreationDate="2021-02-24T21:29:44.773" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="11460" PostId="5632" Score="0" Text="@PhilipCouling It would seem that you edited your linked answer and edited the quote here to reflect that, but then reverted the edit here although the answer is still modified. Is there a particular reason for that? I think it would be better to have both texts consistent ..." CreationDate="2021-02-25T09:20:22.897" UserId="377345" />
  <row Id="11462" PostId="5632" Score="0" Text="@AdminBee no. Embarrassingly I edited here thinking I was editing the referenced post.  If you check you'll see I reverted here shortly after." CreationDate="2021-02-25T09:23:21.153" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="11463" PostId="5632" Score="0" Text="@PhilipCouling Well, such things happen to all of us at some point or the other ;) As I said, I was just curious." CreationDate="2021-02-25T09:27:53.287" UserId="377345" />
  <row Id="11464" PostId="5746" Score="1" Text="*&quot;some idiotically misguided happy-happy code of conduct&quot;* - loved that and would love that **not** to be the CoC of this website :-D&#xA;&#xA;Again, my point stands: DRM is far beyond the capabilities of a single person, it's a very difficult topic, DRM schemes are implemented by whole companies, and there's no way on Earth the OP could ever have implemented it on their own. I put it bluntly, almost insensitively, right, but that's how I deal with such issues. Again, people in this discussion have spent hours while the OP is none the wiser and can't possibly use your &quot;answers&quot;." CreationDate="2021-02-25T10:07:00.360" UserId="260833" />
  <row Id="11465" PostId="5746" Score="2" Text="@ArtemS.Tashkinov Nobody here is arguing about the difficulty of DRM.  It's about the words you use when talking to other users.  &quot;Blunt&quot; is not &quot;personal&quot;.  Just take the user out of the sentence, that's all anyone is asking." CreationDate="2021-02-25T10:34:34.267" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="11466" PostId="5746" Score="1" Text="@PhilipCouling Let me ask you and everyone here: do you **honestly** believe the OP is **capable** of implementing DRM or not?" CreationDate="2021-02-25T10:38:03.993" UserId="260833" />
  <row Id="11467" PostId="5746" Score="2" Text="@ArtemS.Tashkinov I've never met them and know nothing about them.  I literally have no opinion on that matter.  But let's be clear.  Nobody here is arguing about the sentence being **true** or **false**.  The discussion is about how you word things." CreationDate="2021-02-25T10:38:54.533" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="11468" PostId="5746" Score="1" Text="That's not a good answer but given how and where the question was asked I believe the answer is a **firm no**. Again, I don't know a single individual who's ever implemented DRM. Maybe you know. We're well aware of DRM complexity - it's insane and you're trying to pretend someone can do that in their basement. Also I feel like now I'm being attacked for being honest with the person. And instead of admitting it directly everyone here is wasting their time pretending to be polite. Again, my answer could have been edited in a few seconds and instead you've made a mountain out of molehill." CreationDate="2021-02-25T10:41:21.503" UserId="260833" />
  <row Id="11469" PostId="5746" Score="5" Text="@ArtemS.Tashkinov Please don't keep diverting the topic of etiquette onto technical topics of DRM, they are **unrelated topics** .  Nobody here is arguing about the difficulty of DRM. It's about the words you use when talking to other users. &quot;Blunt&quot; is not &quot;personal&quot;. Just take the user out of the sentence, that's all anyone is asking." CreationDate="2021-02-25T10:43:44.113" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="11472" PostId="5746" Score="2" Text="Lies about you? I don't remember saying anything about you. Looks like this discussion has started with personal attacks against me and keeps revolving about me stating the obvious. OK, let me go with the flow and not use pronouns from now on because honesty and frankness are no longer accepted in the society infested and rotten to the core by CoCs, political correctness, diversity and snowflakes. What a horrible world we live in. Companies have to employ people **not** based on their skills and intellect but based on **diversity quotas** because otherwise they will look bad. FML!" CreationDate="2021-02-25T10:52:00.873" UserId="260833" />
  <row Id="11473" PostId="5746" Score="2" Text="I hereby promise I will try my best to avoid pronouns. Let's let people be dumb, ignore Googling, ignore checking previously asked questions, ask questions without providing any relevant info and so on, and so forth because our time and effort seemingly cost nothing and we should cater to people who are often thankless strangers." CreationDate="2021-02-25T10:55:29.343" UserId="260833" />
  <row Id="11474" PostId="5746" Score="1" Text="@ArtemS.Tashkinov again. Nobody, including me is even talking about DRM here. So there are no lies to that effect... and I was speechless when I saw you making up lies about me,  just to prove a technical point. [your comments were deleted but referenced here](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/55289945#55289945) Incase you misread this question, I have not called libel on anything WRT the DRM topic." CreationDate="2021-02-25T10:56:08.360" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="11475" PostId="2860" Score="0" Text="Superseded? I don't see anything (any more) at http://unix.blogoverflow.com/" CreationDate="2021-02-25T13:31:26.163" UserId="59808" />
  <row Id="11476" PostId="5746" Score="3" Text="@ArtemS.Tashkinov, sigh. Again, if your thesis is that &quot;DRM is hard (for anyone)&quot;, then say that. Don't say &quot;DRM is hard for _you_&quot;. It's not only unnecessarily personal, it's downright wrong, because it focuses on just part of the issue (a rather insignificant part, actually) and hides the main point. The honest answer would be to give the actual facts, and to not assume anything. You know, like they say, &quot;the whole truth, and nothing but&quot;." CreationDate="2021-02-25T16:19:37.273" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="11478" PostId="5746" Score="1" Text="*&quot;you're acting like an asshole because you like doing it&quot;* - I don't remember doing it ever IRL or on the Internet, even on this website. I have **not** expected to get such a description of the thoughts that I've expressed so far. This discussion continues to devolve into something utterly disgusting but then the original post wasn't exactly fair to me (even though I wasn't mentioned directly but it was obvious) in the first place, so what can I expect.&#xA;&#xA;Speaking of shifting the blame ... really? Which of my words made you believe I'm doing that? You want to oust me for being frank? Wow." CreationDate="2021-02-25T16:38:18.443" UserId="260833" />
  <row Id="11479" PostId="5746" Score="3" Text="@ArtemS.Tashkinov, yep, stuff like _&quot;Let me ask you and everyone here: do you honestly believe the OP is capable of implementing DRM or not?&quot;_ is trying to change the subject as no-one ever contradicted your claim that DRM is hard. And yep, _&quot; Also I feel like now I'm being attacked for being honest with the person. And instead of admitting it directly everyone here is wasting their time pretending to be polite.&quot;_ when people are pointing out issues in your behaviour is trying to shift blame on others." CreationDate="2021-02-25T20:34:59.650" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="11480" PostId="5746" Score="3" Text="@ArtemS.Tashkinov, as for being frank, well, didn't you just defend yourself for just being honest, and blunt, and not mincing words? (Maybe I like to do it too.) Why do you think it's only okay when you do it, but not okay when it's done to you? Just some things to consider. (Aside, apologies to Philip for the extra pings you probably get, and to whoever of the mods had the unenviable job of having to clean up this little &quot;discourse&quot;.)" CreationDate="2021-02-25T20:39:15.473" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="11481" PostId="5751" Score="1" Text="I don't think that's an insult. It's telling the asker to re-examine their (belief that they have an) understanding of what hard links are. It could be stated less bluntly, perhaps, but being blunt != being insulting. Unless the asker admits they have a lack of understanding and introspects to see where that lack is, answerers are just left guessing as to how to best clarify the misunderstanding." CreationDate="2021-02-28T15:41:22.033" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="11482" PostId="5751" Score="4" Text="@muru If something can be *interpreted* in the wrong way, despite intention, it surely can be reworded. *-&quot;then you don't understand what hard links are&quot;-*. It's personal. It can be interpreted as arrogant. It can be interpreted as &quot;you are dumb&quot;. It's unnecessary and *very* unhelpfu (who cares when reading an answer what the answerer thinks of OP?). It has all the ingredients to be perceived as an insult. I think that in anonymous forum like SE, being *blunt* serves no purpose. →" CreationDate="2021-02-28T16:10:34.750" UserId="338177" />
  <row Id="11483" PostId="5751" Score="0" Text="→ There's plenty of choice if you think that somebody has no knowledge of somenthing. Don't answer. Don't comment. Don't mention it. Ans aa always, there's the choice to just *be nice* :)." CreationDate="2021-02-28T16:11:10.000" UserId="338177" />
  <row Id="11484" PostId="5751" Score="1" Text="@schrodigerscatcuriosity there's also the choice of perceiving things in as uninsulting a light as possible." CreationDate="2021-02-28T17:04:44.887" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="11485" PostId="5751" Score="2" Text="@muru Mmmh, that's not a choice, since it's an emotional reaction. Writing a comment *is a rational process*. That you can choose, you have time to do it, you can foresee if the interlocutor can take it wrong. You can give it intention." CreationDate="2021-02-28T17:10:29.270" UserId="338177" />
  <row Id="11486" PostId="5751" Score="1" Text="@miru, thanks for fixing the poor shruggie! On the topic, it's hard for me to agree that the statement is factual. It expresses an opinion, but, most importantly, does not convey any information. Distilled of its form and connotations, the statement becomes &quot;In my opinion, since you ask a question, even after researching it, then you don't know the answer to this question.&quot; Huh? Why waste effort typing a paragraph-long tautology? In my view, since _meaning_ is obviously absent, it's the form that was a message. The rest of the answer is informative, in stark contrast with this introduction." CreationDate="2021-02-28T17:13:13.813" UserId="103076" />
  <row Id="11487" PostId="5751" Score="0" Text="@schrodigerscatcuriosity the immediate reaction, maybe, but there's no reason to just stick to that instead of looking again to see if it could be read differently." CreationDate="2021-02-28T17:13:53.850" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="11488" PostId="5751" Score="0" Text="@muru But if the intention of a statement has to be guessed, then it's more efficient to just clarify it or remove it, even more when it has a personal reference." CreationDate="2021-02-28T17:17:47.417" UserId="338177" />
  <row Id="11489" PostId="5751" Score="0" Text="@schrodigerscatcuriosity eh, that's your choice if you wish to do so, but that doesn't make something necessarily an insult." CreationDate="2021-02-28T17:19:43.940" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="11490" PostId="5751" Score="1" Text="@muru *necessarily* is the problem. If something can be taken as an insult (and intentional insults can be very well disguised), it may well be an insult. It's just not easier to avoid the second guessing?" CreationDate="2021-02-28T17:25:09.557" UserId="338177" />
  <row Id="11491" PostId="5751" Score="0" Text="@schrodigerscatcuriosity that's up to you, you're welcome to think so. I don't." CreationDate="2021-02-28T17:30:39.313" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="11492" PostId="5751" Score="0" Text="@muru, and why then don't just agree with my edit instead of reverting it? It's hard to believe that, given the cohesiveness of the rest of the answer text, that the person who wrote that believed that there _is_ useful important information in this paragraph? The very fact of the edit should have suggested that there maybe something wrong with it, and pay more attention. Would you believe that the decision to revert the edit was made because the author still believed that the message contained non-tautological information _on a more thorough reading_? I don't." CreationDate="2021-02-28T17:32:32.873" UserId="103076" />
  <row Id="11493" PostId="5751" Score="0" Text="@kkm you have the right to edit it; but IMO just as important is the right of the author to reject that edit. Maybe the author felt that the tautological information is needed for emphasis. Maybe they had something else in mind. I don't know; but what I do think is that it isn't absolutely insulting and therefore doesn't need to be definitely edited out overriding the author." CreationDate="2021-02-28T17:38:46.537" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="11494" PostId="5751" Score="1" Text="@muru, suppose you wrote something which you believe was informative. Then someone edits your answer removing what they perceived as abusive, with an edit comment like &quot;remove uninformative personal insult.&quot; Would this make you think of rewording the statement? I'd think &quot;oh shit, I thought it was okay, but I'd better smooth the corners.&quot; It's not about &quot;the right of the author to reject,&quot; or any right whatsoever. Assume I have the right to disguise an insult in a statement that can be interpreted as not an insult (although in this case, much effort is required). Why would I use that right?" CreationDate="2021-02-28T17:50:26.120" UserId="103076" />
  <row Id="11495" PostId="5751" Score="0" Text="@kkm maybe, maybe not. If I feel that something might be seen by some in a negative way, but might also be seen by others on a positive light, I might favour the latter view if I felt the latter might be more numerous. One person choosing to take offense isn't enough. That said, it isn't nice to attribute malice (&quot;disguis[ing] an insult&quot;, really?), so I'm going to skip that hypothetical." CreationDate="2021-02-28T18:03:01.510" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="11496" PostId="5751" Score="0" Text="@muru we have different opinions on the matter obviously, and that's perfectly fine. But isn't this very thing evidence that the matter is complex, and requires some instrospection and analysis by each one interacting with strangers on the internet? You say *&quot;it's up to you&quot;*. But why? Why can't I when interacting with other people take into account what they may feel or think?" CreationDate="2021-02-28T18:15:32.420" UserId="338177" />
  <row Id="11498" PostId="5751" Score="0" Text="@muru Insults can be desguised, it even [has a name](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/asteism)." CreationDate="2021-02-28T18:20:35.210" UserId="338177" />
  <row Id="11499" PostId="5751" Score="0" Text="@schrodigerscatcuriosity sure you can, but why should everyone? IMO it's fine if some don't put as much effort into wondering what someone else might feel or think." CreationDate="2021-02-28T18:24:59.843" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="11500" PostId="5752" Score="0" Text="Text is the most clear way of communication. It really shows what one thinks." CreationDate="2021-03-01T00:30:28.543" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="11501" PostId="5752" Score="2" Text="@Tim I disagree, to some extent. Not always somebody uses the right words to convey what they think. And in a context open to misinterpretation, like I consider the cases above described, obviously not everyone understand the same regarding the intentions of posters and commenters. And don't forget the cultural differences, since there are people here from all over the world (I for example am from Argentina)." CreationDate="2021-03-01T00:59:44.563" UserId="338177" />
  <row Id="11502" PostId="5752" Score="1" Text="For people from different cultures who can write in an internationally-used language,  do you expect them more capable of speaking   than writing  in text? I wouldn't think so even for native language users." CreationDate="2021-03-01T16:52:38.450" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="11503" PostId="5752" Score="2" Text="@Tim They are two different processes, [at least it seems so](https://news.rice.edu/2015/05/07/how-the-human-brain-separates-the-ability-to-talk-and-write-2/). For example in my case I don't have the opportunity to practice speaking in english, so when I try to, I'm a disaster. But writing is easier, because I practice it, for example now :). So yeah I agree. But that doesn't mean that I'm fluent enough to use the right words to convey my thoughts." CreationDate="2021-03-01T17:00:18.433" UserId="338177" />
  <row Id="11504" PostId="5752" Score="1" Text="@Tim speaking, in particular face-to-face, transports a lot more information then just the words. When someone speaks to me I can infer the intended meaning from the tone, facial expression and other gestures, which helps in determining if a phrase was meant as hostile, neutral or encouraging. This gets lost in writing even if you formulate carefully (which is a lot more difficult for non-native speakers who likely make up the majority of users here), so it is an issue to consider - emojis were created for a good reason, after all ;)" CreationDate="2021-03-02T09:28:13.880" UserId="377345" />
  <row Id="11505" PostId="5751" Score="1" Text="@muru, I have the _right_ to be nice. I have the _right_ to be a bully, if I'm skillful enough with the language to hide the insults behind ambiguities. And I have no _obligation_ to be either. This is too self-evident to disagree. But this argument (if it even deserves to be named as such) entirely misses the point of the OP, IMO. Are we _really_ arguing whether the community benefits from its member being nice to each other?" CreationDate="2021-03-02T11:12:30.697" UserId="103076" />
  <row Id="11506" PostId="5751" Score="0" Text="@kkm as far as I can tell, I have only been taking about the case you talked about in this post." CreationDate="2021-03-02T11:17:21.883" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="11507" PostId="5751" Score="0" Text="@muru, these are two instances of the same. But this is not the point, and does not answer my last question. What are you arguing for, exactly?" CreationDate="2021-03-02T11:29:35.113" UserId="103076" />
  <row Id="11508" PostId="5753" Score="0" Text="Network virtualization, storage virtualization, others I currently don't remember." CreationDate="2021-03-01T22:04:26.370" UserId="144217" />
  <row Id="11509" PostId="5753" Score="0" Text="Virtual RAM, I.e. swap." CreationDate="2021-03-02T01:32:25.400" UserId="3976" />
  <row Id="11510" PostId="5753" Score="1" Text="We don't need tags for every minute detail of a concept - that defeats the purpose of tags. So tags that broadly cover the same field get synonymised" CreationDate="2021-03-02T01:49:29.077" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="11511" PostId="5753" Score="0" Text="I didn't say such tags are needed..." CreationDate="2021-03-02T02:08:31.017" UserId="458602" />
  <row Id="11512" PostId="5754" Score="0" Text="Thanks, but are you sure that a virtual gpu is not a machine?..." CreationDate="2021-03-02T00:48:08.090" UserId="458602" />
  <row Id="11513" PostId="5754" Score="0" Text="This is where you get into semantics the generally agreed upon definition of a virtual machine is &quot;A software program that emulates a hardware system.&quot; but as previously stated these terms are used interchangeably." CreationDate="2021-03-02T01:04:18.843" UserId="457240" />
  <row Id="11514" PostId="5751" Score="0" Text="@muru *&quot;but why should everyone? IMO it's fine if some don't put as much effort into wondering what someone else might feel or think&quot;*. What I mean as *being nice* doesn't imply necessarely that you care too much about others. It means *don't be an a-hole*. There's nothing wrong with being *impersonal*, which is the facto attitude of most veteran users as far as I see. This is the key: never make things *personal*, you don't know anything about who's on the other side of the screen." CreationDate="2021-03-02T11:43:44.883" UserId="338177" />
  <row Id="11515" PostId="5751" Score="0" Text="@kkm that your edit being rejected isn't unacceptable." CreationDate="2021-03-02T11:54:00.217" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="11516" PostId="5753" Score="1" Text="That synonym [has been previously discussed](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/q/1057/315749), though it seems to have been implemented the other way round (and now the [info for &quot;virtualization&quot;](https://unix.stackexchange.com/tags/virtualization/info) is a bit harder to find)." CreationDate="2021-03-02T11:59:47.700" UserId="315749" />
  <row Id="11517" PostId="5755" Score="1" Text="If you asked me to play some of Frank Zappa's music on guitar, would I be able to? The point is exactly this: You don't know if I would or not.  Also, you can't really seriously compare a literal _saint_ to anyone here, can you?" CreationDate="2021-03-02T16:36:57.857" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="11518" PostId="5755" Score="0" Text="he also said: &quot;be imitators of me, as I am an imitator of Christ.&quot; Which, if anything, means giving people the benefit of the doubt." CreationDate="2021-03-02T17:20:13.547" UserId="4330" />
  <row Id="11519" PostId="5755" Score="1" Text="To imitate is not to be the same as, which is clear from your quote. To give people the benefit of a doubt is not the same as doubting them." CreationDate="2021-03-02T19:12:24.347" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="11521" PostId="5755" Score="0" Text="To Christians Paul had an ethical mandate to chastise if he deemed appropriate. It's difficult to find a parallel mandate in technical discussions on technical forums. Also there's insufficient evidence to form an appraisal. Paul didn't form his from his after reading one question from the Corinthians.  The harm isn't in explaining &quot;this is beyond a neophyte&quot;.  Nor is it in telling someone that their question marks them as one.  Missing the &quot;neophyte&quot; link entirely says neither of these things. It gives an imperative &quot;don't do this&quot; based utterly flimsy evidence and with no mandate to do so." CreationDate="2021-03-02T22:14:03.647" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="11522" PostId="5755" Score="0" Text="Worse... `1 Cor 8:9-13`... that is to say, it emboldens others to be downright rude." CreationDate="2021-03-02T22:14:41.827" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="11523" PostId="5755" Score="1" Text="Peter has perfectly caught the essence of my answer. Thanks! Again, I implied nothing personal, I didn't mean to be derogatory, or insulting, I just stated the obvious. I'm struggling to understand why most people here choose to be &quot;nice&quot; to the point of being insincere." CreationDate="2021-03-03T10:47:09.863" UserId="260833" />
  <row Id="11524" PostId="5755" Score="1" Text="@ArtemS.Tashkinov Not being personal is not being insencere. Being &quot;nice&quot; IMO implies just that: somebody can be polite or *impersonal*, even &quot;cold&quot;. There's no need to say anything about the skills or knowledge of other users and still answer or comment properly, and there's no lack of sincerity whatsoever." CreationDate="2021-03-03T11:13:32.620" UserId="338177" />
  <row Id="11525" PostId="5755" Score="0" Text="I've given perfect arguments as to why the OP of the original question possessed neither skills, nor knowledge, nor **anything** relevant to the field to solve the problem he ventured to &quot;solve&quot;. I made it abundantly clear and again if I received such an answer **I'd take it over** *&quot;you could this and this and this&quot;* without any specifics any day of the week. The &quot;nice&quot; answers he received were **not** answers and did not bring him an inch close to solving the issue. This is **against** the nature/guidelines of SE as far as I'm concerned." CreationDate="2021-03-03T11:23:52.483" UserId="260833" />
  <row Id="11526" PostId="5755" Score="0" Text="&quot;Being nice&quot; IMO must **not** mean **misleading** people into falsely believing they can tackle a certain issue and this is a common refrain here unfortunately. &quot;Let's be nice no matter what&quot;." CreationDate="2021-03-03T11:29:10.553" UserId="260833" />
  <row Id="11527" PostId="5755" Score="1" Text="@PhilipCouling good points and excellent quote on discouraging the &quot;weaker brothers&quot; (i.e. newbies) .  But there was insufficient evidence either way so it would seem as though this entire thread is a straw man." CreationDate="2021-03-03T13:36:56.987" UserId="4330" />
  <row Id="11528" PostId="5755" Score="0" Text="@PeterTurner The stated question was certainly not intended as a misrepresentation, I firmly stand by it including saying &quot;*the phrase wasn't intended as an attack*&quot;. My perception is that this forum is headed in a particularly unfriendly direction.  I deliberately held back on &quot;evidence&quot; because I wanted to focus on this phrase as a &quot;borderline&quot;... and an important, contentious borderline. I largely agree with &quot;dealing with rudeness&quot; [here](http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html) and yet I wanted to call out that this style of phrase is needlessly (if unintentionally) harmful." CreationDate="2021-03-03T15:35:44.550" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="11529" PostId="5756" Score="4" Text="If we delete these questions, how will the users get their answers? If they don't find their answers on the web, they ask us. If _you_ find _their_ answer on the web, what stops you from presenting that knowledge to the users in form of a well written answer?  If there is a duplicate on U&amp;L, then mark the question as a duplicate. If this is something that upsets or irritates you, you may choose to not engage with this sort of questions." CreationDate="2021-03-04T16:21:15.377" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="11530" PostId="5756" Score="0" Text="Related on the main Meta site: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5280/embrace-the-non-googlers" CreationDate="2021-03-04T16:25:19.627" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="11531" PostId="5756" Score="0" Text="If it weren't for trivial, easily answerable questions, then how could the &quot;reputables&quot; gain their reputation?" CreationDate="2021-03-04T16:54:43.917" UserDisplayName="user313992" />
  <row Id="11532" PostId="5756" Score="2" Text="@qubert Note too that &quot;easily answerable&quot; questions does not always lead to _good answers_, sadly. Most of the time, they lead to &quot;try this&quot; type of answers, which nobody learns anything from. It's not easy to write a good answer, especially not to easily answerable questions." CreationDate="2021-03-04T17:10:50.897" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="11533" PostId="5756" Score="0" Text="feature-request is for &quot;an idea for a new feature, or for a change to the existing functionality&quot; and if I'm understanding you correctly, the existing closure and/or deletion functionality would accomplish your goal of hiding them from view. Is this a request to implement Google search results on top of the existing SE search results during question-asking? I hear your frustration and I'm just trying to figure out which way this question is headed." CreationDate="2021-03-04T18:53:11.657" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11534" PostId="5747" Score="0" Text="Good answer and well-said.     There's also an unknown cultural element here.  In some societies saying &quot;x is beyond your capabilities&quot; is akin to a physical attack.  In other societies, it is plain speaking and gets the point across clearly and succinctly ready to move on.  Which that was, only the original user knows." CreationDate="2021-03-05T11:28:09.790" UserId="129603" />
  <row Id="11535" PostId="5747" Score="2" Text="@Criggie What matters is how it was received, not how it was meant. This means that if one knows that something may be received in a bad way, one may want to rephrase it first.  This may mean that one have to learn a bit foreign manners sometimes." CreationDate="2021-03-05T12:00:51.257" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="11536" PostId="5757" Score="1" Text="Upvoted earlier for being a thoughtful and comprehensive answer. I thought I’d let you know that links from U&amp;L answers don’t actually boost the destination’s page rank. Page Rank was a fabulous – and very elegant – innovation but spammers won’t let us have *nice things*. Many sites that rely on user-generated content (including Wikipedia and Stack Exchange) remove spammers’ incentives to wreck the site by adding the `nofollow` link relation to all external links (`&lt;a rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; href=&quot;…`)." CreationDate="2021-03-05T13:10:13.517" UserId="22812" />
  <row Id="11537" PostId="5747" Score="1" Text="@Criggie *&quot;-  There's also an unknown cultural element here -&quot;*. I couldn't agree more. I mentioned it in [one of my comments below](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5746/is-making-personal-attacks-ever-justified/5747?noredirect=1#comment11501_5752)." CreationDate="2021-03-05T16:15:38.567" UserId="338177" />
  <row Id="11539" PostId="5757" Score="1" Text="@AnthonyGeoghegan I've edited, I think what I say on PageRank is true now." CreationDate="2021-03-05T20:57:00.703" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="11540" PostId="5735" Score="0" Text="I second @EwanCarroll's pointed question... How much ?" CreationDate="2021-03-06T15:16:50.287" UserId="72707" />
  <row Id="11541" PostId="5760" Score="0" Text="What is suggesting you that historical reasons are considered as opinions on U&amp;L? Sure, the [&quot;opinion-based&quot; close reason](https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/closed-questions) seems to aim at preventing excessive discussion, regardless of whether a fact-based answer is ultimately possible, and its usage may be problematic sometimes. Is this the point you'd like to discuss? I fail to see it as a historical v. opinion issue, though." CreationDate="2021-03-09T12:38:30.810" UserId="315749" />
  <row Id="11543" PostId="5760" Score="0" Text="@fra-san there's a couple of things on my mind.  I've felt in this past this has been a bone of contention.  *I'm deliberately not linking any such discussions to avoid re-opening old heated debates.*  The single point of difference has seemed to be whether or not it's okay to question / answer about other people's [historic] opinions.  It doesn't seem obvious to me whether or not such questions are classified &quot;opinion based&quot;.  Practically I feel some questions are getting closed much too quickly.  But on this specific point I'm less sure of myself and interested in other's thoughts." CreationDate="2021-03-09T13:03:23.217" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="11544" PostId="5759" Score="0" Text="To add to your last point: I've run into cases where I searched a question, got a top search engine result pointing to stack overflow, and found people commenting that the question was foolish because the first google result would answer it.  Very ironic." CreationDate="2021-03-09T19:41:29.320" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="11545" PostId="5760" Score="0" Text="[citation needed] for &quot;commonly&quot;" CreationDate="2021-03-10T02:19:27.320" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="11546" PostId="5760" Score="0" Text="@muru I'd say that's part of a standard software lifecycle. Changes in (team based) open source projects and commercial projects are brought by way of pull requests.  These pull requests usually need to be justified in some way.  Sure there are many smaller (one person) projects which don't operate this way." CreationDate="2021-03-10T09:33:08.230" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="11547" PostId="5760" Score="0" Text="No, I'd say that's a feature of projects which put a lot of importance on quality commit messages, and not a factor of team size. If the project is largely driven by a team that often decides things in verbal conversation, or in some corporate intranet channel, then reasoning for changes needn't be that well documented." CreationDate="2021-03-10T09:38:19.953" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="11548" PostId="5760" Score="0" Text="@muru True, on the corporate level (though with this pandemic I'm starting to forget what &quot;verbal&quot; means).   Is it really so common in open source to have such discussions verbally?  My experience with them has always been mailing lists / gitter / issues logs etc." CreationDate="2021-03-10T09:42:15.007" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="11549" PostId="5760" Score="0" Text="In terms of number of projects, probably not. In terms of users, I'd say yes. Can you or I say for sure what drives various decisions in what's probably the most commonly used open source project by the general public: Android? Or, say, it's sibling, Chromium OS?" CreationDate="2021-03-10T09:54:22.970" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="11550" PostId="5760" Score="0" Text="@muru absolutely not.  With context to this question I'll try to claim the benefit of the doubt... Documentation of design decisions exists on *open source* enough projects that such questions are not automatically &quot;opinion based&quot;.  They may frequently be unanswerable if, as you point out, projects are not well documented." CreationDate="2021-03-10T10:01:20.733" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="11551" PostId="5763" Score="11" Text="IMO, any question relating to `-exec` should be tagged with [tag:find], not [tag:exec]. It would be appropriate to correct questions with the wrong sets of tags. If this is best done in bulk or a bit every now and again, I don't know." CreationDate="2021-03-12T20:33:42.190" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="11553" PostId="5763" Score="2" Text="The only thing I'm concerned about with regards to bulk edits is that it pushes new questions off the front page if too many are done at once." CreationDate="2021-03-12T20:42:59.017" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="11555" PostId="5763" Score="2" Text="`-exec`  is the predicate that tells `find` to use those `exec*()`  system calls (in addition to `fork()` and `wait*()` of course), so it's not completely irrelevant. The shell's `exec` is more a *no-fork* command, so it's less relevant to `exec*()` than `find`'s `-exec` I'd say." CreationDate="2021-03-13T06:45:41.100" UserId="22565" />
  <row Id="11556" PostId="5763" Score="3" Text="@StéphaneChazelas Usually, when someone has an issue using `-exec` with `find`, it is a `find` issue (syntax, how to find the wanted things, how to loop over results, etc.), not an `exec*()` issue." CreationDate="2021-03-13T12:05:42.467" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="11557" PostId="5763" Score="2" Text="@Kusalananda, or it's an issue about executing things with `find`. If the exec tag is already used for the `exec` special builtin of shell and for the `exec*()` system calls, we might as well use it for anything that's named `exec`. I won't argue much more about it, regardless of what it's used for I doubt it will be useful for anything anyway." CreationDate="2021-03-13T13:30:08.613" UserId="22565" />
  <row Id="11559" PostId="5763" Score="0" Text="Rename exec to something more specific, like exec-syscall or something and done." CreationDate="2021-03-17T08:56:54.650" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="11560" PostId="5763" Score="0" Text="@StéphaneChazelas in that case, the exec tag would refer to two things: a find predicate and a system call. Tags are supposed to mean exactly one thing. If we need a tag for the system call, it has to be its own tag. Also, that would mean that any command that executes the exec syscall should use the tag, which would dilute its usefulness." CreationDate="2021-03-17T08:59:01.033" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="11561" PostId="5763" Score="5" Text="It makes very little sense to have *any* tag that refers to an option.  All tags for commands should be for the command itself." CreationDate="2021-03-17T10:39:10.233" UserId="447031" />
  <row Id="11562" PostId="5766" Score="2" Text="&quot;In the case where there already are answers filling one goal, providing an answer that fills the other goal would be one choice.&quot; Totally agreed. I'd say it is perfectly fine to not address the whole question *if* John Doe has already done it thorougly and one just wants to present an alternative approach. Otherwise, (in my opinion) it is the answerer's duty to at least honestly mention the incompleteness. E.g. Q: &quot;Why X fails and what to use instead?&quot; A: &quot;You can use Y instead, but I do not know why X fails.&quot;" CreationDate="2021-03-20T21:36:42.227" UserId="388654" />
  <row Id="11563" PostId="4735" Score="0" Text="I think that the reason why this meta-question and its originating question strike a valid chord is perfectly explained in the first paragraph of [this gist](https://gist.github.com/sdondley/b01cc5bb1169c8c83401e438a652b84e): man pages are references and they are not written for learning people." CreationDate="2021-03-24T15:05:14.063" UserId="128945" />
  <row Id="11564" PostId="5769" Score="0" Text="But most of the usages of the `exec` tag ATM the moment are for that `find -exec` or the `exec` builtin of some shells, not the `execve()` system call or the family of `exec*()` C library functions (there are some, but they are a minority). Should we retag them and update the tag definition to remove the reference to the shell builtin? Or should we on the other hand extend it to the `exec` functions of languages other than C (perl, ruby, python, sh, csh, ... find)?" CreationDate="2021-03-25T17:02:42.197" UserId="22565" />
  <row Id="11565" PostId="5763" Score="0" Text="In any case, there's no `exec()` system call. There are some `execve()`, `execv()`, `execveat()` , `fexecve()` and there are some standard C API functions around those like `execl()`, `execvp()`... And some languages including `perl`/`python` have some `exec` function around those. shells' whole raison d'être is to expose that system call to the user. Its own `exec` builtin is to not do it in a child process (with differences in behaviour between implementation when the command is builtin or a function). `find`'s `-exec` is also a wrapper around those (though in a child process)." CreationDate="2021-03-25T17:09:43.643" UserId="22565" />
  <row Id="11566" PostId="5763" Score="0" Text="@Chenmunka, `-exec` is not an option of `find`, it's a predicate. The options are `-H` and `-L` (some implementations have more). `-exec`  is an *action predicate* in the `find` language like `exec` is an action function in the `perl` language. They are both about executing commands. What we need here is drawing the line as to what `exec` is meant to be used for. My personal line is &quot;I don't care much, my only usage of tags is for the watch and ignore tag feature, and I can't see how that tag can be useful to anything&quot;." CreationDate="2021-03-25T17:31:29.337" UserId="22565" />
  <row Id="11567" PostId="5769" Score="0" Text="That is a good question, but I believe it to be out of scope of the question at hand (&quot;Is `exec` a relevant tag for `find` questions?&quot;)." CreationDate="2021-03-25T17:51:20.443" UserId="20246" />
  <row Id="11568" PostId="5769" Score="0" Text="But your answer currently contradicts the tag definition, and suggests it should be changed to exclude using that tag for the `exec` sh builtin." CreationDate="2021-03-25T17:53:01.623" UserId="22565" />
  <row Id="11569" PostId="5769" Score="0" Text="I don't see how the answer (&quot;remove the `exec` tag from questions about `find` where it is present, and add the `find` tag where it is absent) contradicts the definition of the `exec` tag.  Whether the definition of the `exec` tag should be modified or whether a `bash-exec` tag should be created is, again, an whole other question." CreationDate="2021-03-25T18:46:48.790" UserId="20246" />
  <row Id="11570" PostId="5769" Score="0" Text="You're saying *should be for questions specifically about the system call, its uses...*, the current tag definition says: *This tag is also used for the shell built-in which can be used to replace the current shell with a program or various redirection-related stuff*. `exec 2&gt;&amp;1` is a wrapper around the `dup2()` system call, not the  `execve()` system call (no Unix-lie system has a `exec()` system call btw AFAIK)." CreationDate="2021-03-25T19:22:35.310" UserId="22565" />
  <row Id="11571" PostId="5764" Score="1" Text="As a politeness I think it's good for an answer like this to lead with an acknowledgement  that it isn't what the OP specifically asked for and give a very brief summery of why it fits their problem or situation.   That just help readers understand the context of your answer.  It helps manage the readers expectations and avoid frustration." CreationDate="2021-03-25T22:12:06.467" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="11572" PostId="5771" Score="0" Text="Thanks for your answer. Me too, I try to read all the answers, not just the accepted ones, to find the solution that fits my requirement. In fact, I jump straight to them and barely read the question." CreationDate="2021-03-27T23:34:15.093" UserId="338177" />
  <row Id="11573" PostId="5770" Score="0" Text="Thanks for your answer and the encouragement. I always try to think on the next guy/gal also." CreationDate="2021-03-27T23:35:59.200" UserId="338177" />
  <row Id="11574" PostId="4917" Score="1" Text="I have seen the term *nix used often, it seems to cover this situation." CreationDate="2021-03-28T10:34:55.977" UserId="255139" />
  <row Id="11575" PostId="5772" Score="0" Text="clear history of browser. Alternatively, https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/222556/how-to-log-out-of-a-stack-exchange-site" CreationDate="2021-03-29T01:50:51.310" UserId="418918" />
  <row Id="11576" PostId="5772" Score="0" Text="Many thanks for this. Looks like an excellent site. Looking forward to participating more constructively in the future." CreationDate="2021-03-29T01:55:58.677" UserDisplayName="user463997" />
  <row Id="11578" PostId="5774" Score="1" Text="&quot;What are the classes of cookies after clicking Customize Settings used for?&quot;: does https://stackoverflow.com/legal/cookie-policy (the URL &quot;Cookie Policy&quot; points to) answer this? &quot;Sometimes it doesn't proceed after clicking Customize Settings&quot;: are you turning JavaScript on/off somehow? That button doesn't work when JavaScript is off." CreationDate="2021-04-01T14:42:27.617" UserId="315749" />
  <row Id="11579" PostId="5774" Score="1" Text="Does this answer your question? [How do I dismiss the new cookie popup that appears on the site?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/362697)" CreationDate="2021-04-01T16:21:54.790" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11580" PostId="4917" Score="0" Text="I'd second *nix" CreationDate="2021-04-02T03:07:11.757" UserDisplayName="user304684" />
  <row Id="11581" PostId="5768" Score="0" Text="Well, like you said yourself, POSIX is a set of standards (of tools and library/system calls) that an OS can provide. It's not an OS in itself, so calling Linux or FreeBSD &quot;POSIX&quot; isn't really accurate. You could call them &quot;POSIX-compatible&quot;, or &quot;POSIX-like&quot;, though. (But I guess &quot;POSIX-like&quot; should still mean &quot;a POSIX-like standard&quot;, but it's relaxed enough to be stretched.) That is to say, as far as they are POSIX-compatible to begin with; a lot of the tools on a regular Linux-distribution strictly speaking aren't." CreationDate="2021-04-02T15:35:24.673" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="11582" PostId="5768" Score="1" Text="DEC's VMS and Intel's iRMX were POSIX compliant.  Neither of those could be described as Unix-like." CreationDate="2021-04-08T10:39:39.147" UserId="447031" />
  <row Id="11583" PostId="5775" Score="6" Text="Installing Arch is hard, Arch is also not designed for new users. However, _using_ Arch is the same as any other normal Linux while Kali is not." CreationDate="2021-04-20T08:24:01.180" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11584" PostId="5775" Score="6" Text="I'd be careful with &quot;foo is hard&quot; statements. Installing (and administering) Arch is probably harder than installing some friendlier distributions, but it becomes quite easy once you realize that a detailed [guide](https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Installation_guide) exists and take the time (and patience) to read through all the relevant pages. On the other hand, Arch (which, by the way, is not mentioned in the quoted answer) doesn't target the average user; rather, it tends to work best for those willing to take the point of view of a distribution developer." CreationDate="2021-04-20T10:56:05.137" UserId="315749" />
  <row Id="11585" PostId="5775" Score="2" Text="_&quot;why peoples are responding to arch questions not Kali's?&quot;_: what did suggest you that? Out of 2019 [tag:kali-linux] questions, 410 are [unanswered](https://unix.stackexchange.com/search?q=%5Bkali-linux%5D+is%3Aq+answers%3A0) (~20.3 %); that figure is 917/4011 (~22.9 %) for [tag:arch-linux]. Even looking at the 50 most recent questions (right now) (basically unaffected by the automatic cleanup of &gt;30 days old closed and non-closed, negatively-scored questions), 23 of those tagged Kali have at least one answer, compared to 20 in the case of Arch." CreationDate="2021-04-20T12:56:26.730" UserId="315749" />
  <row Id="11586" PostId="5775" Score="0" Text="People aren't *ignoring* Kali questions, as you put it, and preferring to answer Arch questions.  People answer the questions to which they have an answer." CreationDate="2021-04-21T15:55:50.477" UserId="447031" />
  <row Id="11587" PostId="5775" Score="0" Text="@Chenmunka No people doesn't answer &quot;the question&quot; which they can answer... Cause, when I was using Linux Mint i had face an issue then, everyone solved that. While when I faced the same issue Kali no one came to answer my question...!" CreationDate="2021-04-26T08:05:34.993" UserDisplayName="user449077" />
  <row Id="11588" PostId="5779" Score="3" Text="Is it expected to have tags for each piece of video conferencing software, or should we just have a `video-conferencing` tag? I'm not sure we have any other _specific_ video conferencing software tags." CreationDate="2021-05-02T08:36:01.827" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="11589" PostId="5779" Score="0" Text="There's [tag:jitsi-meet], and I suppose [tag:microsoft-teams] and [tag:Skype] could also be included in that group" CreationDate="2021-05-02T08:57:14.073" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="11590" PostId="5779" Score="1" Text="The Zoom software does have the trouble of sharing its name with a common technical verb. (A problem that we don't run into with &quot;bash&quot; or &quot;boot&quot;, for examples; &quot;find&quot; hasn't been much trouble, either). Just as anecdata, it looks like the 4 existing [tag:zoom] Q's here are actually about the Zoom software. We have a bit over [200 questions with the term &quot;zoom&quot;](https://unix.stackexchange.com/search?tab=relevance&amp;q=zoom%20-%5bzoom%5d%20is%3aQ) used functionally." CreationDate="2021-05-03T17:44:00.990" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11592" PostId="5783" Score="1" Text="I was using Kali for a long while. I started Debian. I noticed there was lot of problem I was facing in Debian. I wasn't familiar with those problems also. So, I left Debian. I noticed most of Kali users including faces wireless connection problem. Few days some commented in a post that one of Kali documentation is saying that there's some problem wireless connection. I don't remember the accurate documentation. I searched a lot but, I didn't find. Arch is lot more harder than Kali. Cause, Arch isn't based on Debian. In my view, I didn't find any difference between Ubuntu and Kali." CreationDate="2021-05-04T05:17:59.850" UserDisplayName="user449077" />
  <row Id="11593" PostId="5783" Score="0" Text="Kali is only best for Pen-testing, I understood when I moved to Fedora. I am keep searching for wireless connection problem in Kali(Why this happens to all peoples?). Even, when I talk to professional Kali users. They don't reply. I don't know why. That's why I left Kali. In this community some people says,&quot;While you are using Kali you shouldn't ask this question.&quot; I request to moderators to review this kind of comments. Kali users don't get help. Even, I was having issue with mailing. They said,&quot;You are using Kali you shouldn't ask this.&quot; That's why I asked the question." CreationDate="2021-05-04T05:22:09.537" UserDisplayName="user449077" />
  <row Id="11596" PostId="5784" Score="3" Text="Yes; see https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/a/437/117549 and https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4226/117549" CreationDate="2021-05-06T14:12:49.493" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11597" PostId="5779" Score="4" Text="I've had a really quick scan through the questions for [tag:jitsi-meet], [tag:microsoft-teams], and [tag:skype]. Many of them appear to be application-specific and wouldn't be particularly well served by a generic tag (with or without synonyms for the common application names)" CreationDate="2021-05-07T17:21:29.220" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="11598" PostId="5779" Score="2" Text="Just for additional data: [Super User](https://meta.superuser.com/q/14242/356789) uses [zoom-meeting](https://superuser.com/questions/tagged/zoom-meeting), Android.SE uses [zoom-cloud-meetings](https://android.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/zoom-cloud-meetings) (because it's the official name of the Android app), and [Apple.SE](https://apple.meta.stackexchange.com/q/3990/95704) uses [zoom.app](https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/zoom.app)" CreationDate="2021-05-08T21:14:59.977" UserId="90391" />
  <row Id="11599" PostId="5785" Score="0" Text="I think this is the one: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/360198/visual-design-changes-to-the-review-queues" CreationDate="2021-05-12T10:25:30.090" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11600" PostId="5785" Score="1" Text="This also came up: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/363552/workflow-changes-for-review-queues" CreationDate="2021-05-12T10:26:04.570" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11601" PostId="5785" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller thanks. Unfortunately if it's harder to use then people like you (i.e. moderators) are likely to end up with a larger queue of work. Have you noticed any queue lengthening or am I just worrying about a problem that doesn't really exist?" CreationDate="2021-05-12T12:15:13.720" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="11602" PostId="5785" Score="2" Text="I'm also not a fan of the extra clicks, but the UI is not up to us. I suppose if the UI team finds that posts [&quot;are not acted upon&quot;](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/363552/307535), then they'll &quot;ensure posts get the attention they need in a timely manner&quot; at which point maybe they'll consider feedback from the reviewing community who say **could you please make the job easier?**" CreationDate="2021-05-12T12:47:04.650" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11603" PostId="5785" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller apparently feedback on that post ended a fortnight ago (28 April). I'll leave a comment there but I doubt as a lone voice I'll be heard. And as I say, maybe it's just me anyway" CreationDate="2021-05-12T15:18:07.957" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="11604" PostId="5785" Score="0" Text="ditto I find it harder to use as well." CreationDate="2021-05-12T23:24:26.493" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="11605" PostId="5785" Score="1" Text="Committee-syndrome happened by the company." CreationDate="2021-05-16T17:25:58.903" UserId="52236" />
  <row Id="11606" PostId="5786" Score="0" Text="We never had the Ubuntu font here, we might have it _now_ because of [We are switching to system fonts on May 10, 2021](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/364048) so you might be seeing things in the Ubuntu font if you have it installed. Anyway, I suspect what you are seeing is explained in that meta SE link." CreationDate="2021-05-19T16:08:09.710" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11607" PostId="5786" Score="0" Text="OK, that explains it." CreationDate="2021-05-19T16:15:52.793" UserId="363044" />
  <row Id="11608" PostId="4584" Score="0" Text="Am I correct that this is still an issue?" CreationDate="2021-05-21T06:45:44.793" UserId="216004" />
  <row Id="11609" PostId="5754" Score="0" Text="The virtualization of any hardware is a 'virtual-machine'." CreationDate="2021-05-23T02:30:25.460" UserId="255139" />
  <row Id="11610" PostId="5788" Score="8" Text="Personally, I don't think this is right. The title should be a terse summary of the issue that makes it easy to see what the question is about. The body of the question should be the full question, including supporting information.  Once you've clicked on the title to open the question, the title should no longer be needed." CreationDate="2021-05-28T14:45:30.307" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="11611" PostId="5788" Score="2" Text="Question bodies that *only* say &quot;as in the title&quot; bother me, too. I  guess it's my habit of scrolling only the body back &amp; forth to understand it.  I don't know off-hand if the prompts have changed, but I'd certainly claim that &quot;include all the information someone would need&quot; would include the pertinent information from the title. Also: https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5015/what-else-can-i-do-to-make-my-question-well-received-and-improve-my-chances-of-g/5016#5016" CreationDate="2021-05-28T14:45:49.890" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11612" PostId="5773" Score="0" Text="On a mobile friendly page it's in the three line &quot;hamburger&quot; menu top left." CreationDate="2021-05-28T16:15:57.093" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="11613" PostId="5788" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller how many people read that? :-) It's a pleasant version of ESR's &quot;how to ask a decent question&quot;, which although accurate is also IMO way too long for most readers" CreationDate="2021-05-28T16:35:24.383" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="11614" PostId="5788" Score="0" Text="Yep, I have that problem (writing too much). No one's going to read it before they ask a question here, either. All to say, I agree with the sentiment." CreationDate="2021-05-28T17:00:05.447" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11615" PostId="5788" Score="0" Text="@Kusalananda, yes, it reminds me of when people would send e-mail with the message starting in the Subject and then continue the sentence in the Body.  It was especially annoying when someone would then forward the message with a new Title like &quot;Can you help with this?&quot;, and the most important part of the whole thing would get lost." CreationDate="2021-05-29T00:43:06.383" UserId="362792" />
  <row Id="11616" PostId="5788" Score="4" Text="It's standard practice in any writing that the main text should be complete in itself, without needing the reader to read the headings. It's also usual for lazy writers to completely ignore that guideline... I wonder how much that correlates here with the question otherwise lacking needed information." CreationDate="2021-05-29T10:29:45.493" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="11617" PostId="5788" Score="0" Text="@ilkkachu the question writing prompts do not lead people down this route, though" CreationDate="2021-05-29T12:16:24.960" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="11618" PostId="5788" Score="0" Text="Worse is, that it seems that this kind of &quot;trend&quot; invite more possibility for &quot;duplicate&quot; posts than anything else @RayButterworth" CreationDate="2021-05-31T18:08:17.743" UserId="409852" />
  <row Id="11621" PostId="5016" Score="0" Text="Make sure that it is a question, so that it is clear what a good (or even acceptable) answer would be." CreationDate="2021-06-01T01:26:26.523" UserId="205853" />
  <row Id="11622" PostId="5089" Score="0" Text="Try a web search to look for *obvious* answers." CreationDate="2021-06-01T01:28:01.910" UserId="205853" />
  <row Id="11623" PostId="5790" Score="2" Text="Agreed.  IMO, if you can't put your question succinctly into a single sentence that ends with a question mark, you don't know what you're asking well enough to write an intelligent post asking it.  You might need to include additional explanatory context, but I really dislike wading through a sea of context to find out that the *actual question* is never explicitly stated.  The new prompts seem specifically aimed to prevent that situation." CreationDate="2021-06-03T07:01:00.263" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="11624" PostId="5792" Score="4" Text="Thanks for your answer and your kind words! I can see your reasoning about it being considered an answer and a downvote being enough and i shall do as suggested. It's true i was a bit desperate because of a perfectly working disk suddenly stopped working after using a linux distro from a USB drive. But at this point since it's been 4 days i'll just get a backup from 4 weeks ago and start from there (good thing i keep most of the important stuff on a remote repository). Thanks again" CreationDate="2021-06-03T14:32:33.473" UserId="262038" />
  <row Id="11625" PostId="5793" Score="3" Text="Thanks for your answer! I have been on the internet long enough to not assume the worst when it's hard to recognize someone else's tone (or not be bothered by it when it's easily recognizable) so it's ok! You are right i should not infer anything from reputation" CreationDate="2021-06-03T14:36:10.000" UserId="262038" />
  <row Id="11626" PostId="5754" Score="0" Text="@Shōgun8 not true. Commonly in computing a virtual machine is a complete system.  You can have drivers emulating hardware loaded in to a &quot;bare metal&quot; operating system and neither the whole system nor any individual part of it would commonly be described as a &quot;virtual machine&quot;." CreationDate="2021-06-03T21:11:35.537" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="11629" PostId="5754" Score="0" Text="@ Philip Couling, you're wrong; but what makes your unqualified statement more correct than mine? Perhaps you should qualify your unauthoritative contradiction with a reference. Let me give you an example; it seems that you've confused 'driver emulation' with 'process virtualization' en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_machine *(you can see that I've provided a reference to validate my statement)*." CreationDate="2021-06-04T08:09:52.633" UserId="255139" />
  <row Id="11631" PostId="5788" Score="0" Text="I think it makes a to of sense to use the title as the question. The most important reason is to prevent people form posting multiple questions in the body of a single post, as each post should be only 1 question. Using the title to ask the question makes the post very clear to the people that are looking for ana answer to a is,ilar question. The body should only be used for supporting information." CreationDate="2021-06-04T08:37:11.160" UserId="255139" />
  <row Id="11632" PostId="5788" Score="0" Text="@Shōgun8 `The body should only be used for supporting information.` – Only? Awful practice. I fully agree with [what @ilkkachu wrote](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/q/5788/108618#comment11616_5788): the main text should be complete in itself." CreationDate="2021-06-04T09:48:39.323" UserId="108618" />
  <row Id="11633" PostId="5788" Score="0" Text="@ Kamil Maciorowski, *&quot;awful practice?&quot;*  No, it is pragmatic to ask the question in the title, and use the body for supporting information; if you don't use the body for supporting information then what is the point of the body? It most certainly shouldn't be used to ask multiple questions; therefore it should *only* be used to add information to support the question." CreationDate="2021-06-04T09:54:12.930" UserId="255139" />
  <row Id="11634" PostId="5788" Score="3" Text="@Shōgun8 My point is per standard practice in any writing the main text should be complete in itself, so the question should be in the body, *even if* it's in the title. I don't mind the question in the title; *I do mind the question not in the body*. So IMO not *only* supporting information should be in the body. Supporting information *and* the question. It's about style, elegance. We encourage proper formatting, paragraphs (i.e. not a wall of text), general clarity, punctuation… One can either write with style or not. If you choose extreme pragmatism over a bit of style, fine. And awful." CreationDate="2021-06-04T13:25:12.807" UserId="108618" />
  <row Id="11635" PostId="5788" Score="0" Text="@ Kamil Maciorowski, take this very post as an example. It written very well and the *style* is pleasing. You can see that the question is in the title and it looks great. It is not in the body and it wouldn't addy anything useful if it was." CreationDate="2021-06-04T16:50:34.850" UserId="255139" />
  <row Id="11636" PostId="5788" Score="2" Text="@Shōgun8 my questions are in paragraph three. My summary is in the title" CreationDate="2021-06-04T17:02:18.317" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="11637" PostId="5788" Score="0" Text="@Shōgun8 There are questions in the body, they make the body complete. What I'm against is if the title was &quot;How can I frobnicate?&quot; and the body was rough &quot;I did `foo bar`, the error was `baz`. I'm on Ubuntu.&quot; A body like this begs for some opening and/or closure. The question (or a question; closely related, similar question) can be either one." CreationDate="2021-06-04T17:02:37.063" UserId="108618" />
  <row Id="11639" PostId="5788" Score="1" Text="@ roaima, but those are basically just supporting information to your question in the title, *even if they're in the form of a question*. The subsequent questions provide information about  why you ask the question on the title. With every additional question, scope creep becomes more probable, but in this case, the topic brought up in the original question is supported and strengthened by the questions in paragraph three." CreationDate="2021-06-04T17:13:22.220" UserId="255139" />
  <row Id="11640" PostId="5788" Score="0" Text="@ roaima, if you think this post isn't in the stye new style that you seem to be questioning, as the question that you posted in the title, then we disagree about the style of your post." CreationDate="2021-06-04T17:19:12.367" UserId="255139" />
  <row Id="11641" PostId="5788" Score="0" Text="@ Kamil Maciorowski, I think your hypothetical post is a really good post; all it begs for is more supporting information." CreationDate="2021-06-04T17:20:36.597" UserId="255139" />
  <row Id="11642" PostId="5788" Score="0" Text="@Shōgun8 you've made a really good point. Care to write it as answer so it others can (also) upvote it? I'm looking for discussion, not just making a whinge" CreationDate="2021-06-04T17:33:17.067" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="11643" PostId="5788" Score="0" Text="@ roaima, it was posted as an answer but somehow got moved to a comment." CreationDate="2021-06-04T18:06:09.313" UserId="255139" />
  <row Id="11644" PostId="5788" Score="0" Text="@Shōgun8 It may be technically good but it *feels* awful. I find writing like this coarse and unprofessional (in whatever profession except Morse code telegraphist). Your impression may vary, I understand this. AFAIK the site is not only about helping random people; it's about building a knowledge base. The more a post looks like a well-written technical *article*, the better. That's why I think &quot;it's standard practice in any writing that the main text should be complete in itself&quot; should also apply here. I can stand mediocrity but we should at least aim higher." CreationDate="2021-06-04T21:26:40.280" UserId="108618" />
  <row Id="11645" PostId="646" Score="0" Text="What did you try?" CreationDate="2021-06-06T09:12:40.370" UserId="438036" />
  <row Id="11646" PostId="5793" Score="1" Text="&quot;intended to be helpful to you and others in your situation&quot; being helpful or not isn't part of whenever is an answer or not. It's whenever it addresses the question being asked. I can be helpful linking you to the wiki, but it would still be not an answer if that's the only thing I do (unless you ask for the link to the wiki)." CreationDate="2021-06-14T11:59:52.237" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="11649" PostId="5793" Score="1" Text="You address the question if you address either the underlying issue or the superficial one, but you have to address it." CreationDate="2021-06-14T13:09:14.860" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="11652" PostId="5791" Score="1" Text="I propose to change the title of the question to something more meaningful, like &quot;Flagging an answer as not an answer&quot; or similar, to help future readers." CreationDate="2021-06-16T13:42:20.583" UserId="338177" />
  <row Id="11653" PostId="2670" Score="0" Text="What is your current position, in which topic do you `make money`? Sorry, I know the question only refers to the first part of `your question`." CreationDate="2021-06-16T18:57:22.690" UserId="72988" />
  <row Id="11654" PostId="2673" Score="0" Text="&quot;*It had a cool turbo button*&quot;, which was a great marketing presentation.  In reality it was a &quot;*run really slowly so that ancient programs will still work on this faster CPU*&quot; button.  Many programs used &quot;*loop 1000 times on a no-op instruction*&quot; to create a delay based on the number of CPU clock cycles.  When run on a newer CPU with a clock speed 100 times faster, a 10 second delay would finish in 100 ms, making games finish rather quickly." CreationDate="2021-06-17T00:51:42.167" UserId="362792" />
  <row Id="11655" PostId="5793" Score="0" Text="If there's multiple underlying reasons that we can't agree on one, then we should just close the question as too broad." CreationDate="2021-06-17T12:08:09.740" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="11658" PostId="5793" Score="0" Text="@Braiam I've edited in an attempt to address your concern (at least what I think your concern is).  However I stand by my statement that answers seeking to help the OP out of their quagmire should not be deleted just because they don't address the question *as asked*.  Your suggestion about voting &quot;too broad&quot; is incorrect.  Questions can be very specific, even if others have multiple opinions on what lead up to the question." CreationDate="2021-06-17T13:13:43.017" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="11659" PostId="5793" Score="0" Text="That's a weird stance to have since we already do delete those. We've always deleted those. Maybe you are looking for a new discussion, rather than this one." CreationDate="2021-06-17T13:16:47.763" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="11662" PostId="5793" Score="0" Text="@Braiam I'm a little unclear on which you are saying you do delete, but if you are referring to answers which do not directly address the question, the I'd be very surprised since so may get well up-voted and accepted.  The heavily down-voted ones are deleted, but that's not really the &quot;not an answer&quot; route." CreationDate="2021-06-17T13:40:44.143" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="11663" PostId="5793" Score="0" Text="If you answer a question with a recipe for an apple pie when the question asks how to configure a systemd service, it may be helpful, but it doesn't addresses any of the issues present on the question. We already delete and have always deleted those." CreationDate="2021-06-17T14:53:10.900" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="11665" PostId="5793" Score="0" Text="@Braiam that's obviously interpreting my words much too broadly, a recepe for apple pie would not be would plainly not be &quot;a direct response to the question&quot; as worded in my answer.  Nevertheless my edit does try to deal with that head on." CreationDate="2021-06-17T17:34:45.827" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="11666" PostId="5793" Score="0" Text="My problem was with this part &quot;intended to be helpful to you and others in your situation&quot;, not with the rest. Intention to be helpful isn't enough to produce an acceptable answer. The example I provided in my first comment was less ridiculous, but they use the same argument." CreationDate="2021-06-17T21:14:35.707" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="11669" PostId="5793" Score="0" Text="@Braiam You've taken a phrase **out of context** and you're now refusing to consider it in context of its own sentence. You are changing its meaning. &#xA; The phase's meaning is limited by &quot;the rest&quot;. The OP made the mistake of believing answers are only allowed to answer the question as asked. I disagree with that, and [it appears so does Jeff Schaller](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/a/5792/20140).  If your only problem with my answer is words taken out of context even from their own sentence, then I see no reason to continue this conversation." CreationDate="2021-06-18T14:50:34.430" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="11670" PostId="5797" Score="3" Text="This is particularly important for us since a lot of the questions we get are about parsing text files and having the actual tabs in the example input we copy/paste is essential." CreationDate="2021-06-26T13:45:37.193" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11671" PostId="5788" Score="0" Text="Possible negative synergy when combined with other poor decisions. [This question](https://unix.stackexchange.com/q/656102) fortunately does not fully rely on its title. If it did, I would read &quot;unexpected o&quot;, because the site uses text figures in titles. Only the body explains it's &quot;unexpected zero&quot;, the digit. If not the body, I would need to paste the title elsewhere to tell what it means. The font for poets is not the only thing that blatantly ignores the technical scope of the site ([ex. 1](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4955), [ex. 2](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/q/5797))." CreationDate="2021-06-28T09:18:22.923" UserId="108618" />
  <row Id="11672" PostId="5797" Score="1" Text="While I hope the [meta-tag:status-review] tag means the developers are considering this, it seems to [have been status-declined](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/294874/410681) in the past. The available [workaround](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/294870/410681) is quite inconvenient, but unlikely to go away." CreationDate="2021-07-02T16:02:30.690" UserId="315749" />
  <row Id="11673" PostId="5797" Score="1" Text="@fra-san the status-review was added by me and it only puts this on the devs' radar. They will eventually look at it and then either choose to implement it or not, but the [meta-tag:status-review] doesn't mean anything other than one of the local mod team (me, in this case) felt this was something they should escalate to SE." CreationDate="2021-07-02T16:47:27.490" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11674" PostId="5795" Score="0" Text="Would it make sense to prepopulate these posts with the ads used in the previous round? I find I am more and more reluctant to go and submit the same ones yet another time. We could instead seed this with the ads that passed muster in the previous year and that would already give us a nice bunch to vote on." CreationDate="2021-07-13T15:53:03.743" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11675" PostId="5795" Score="0" Text="Maybe once this trial run is over that might be part of the stuff we consider automating, @terdon — though I can see the argument for not doing it being that it somewhat defeats the purpose of the resetting to carry over ads from previous periods, even if folks still need to vote for it to be displayed." CreationDate="2021-07-19T11:03:58.560" UserId="93139" />
  <row Id="11676" PostId="5795" Score="1" Text="Yes, I was thinking it _should_ defeat the purpose :) I just know that I have tired of re-posting these every year and seeing the response here, I may not be the only one." CreationDate="2021-07-19T11:11:15.397" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11677" PostId="5800" Score="3" Text="Thank you for posting this!" CreationDate="2021-07-21T15:59:23.807" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11678" PostId="5801" Score="4" Text="This echoes my own opinion on this matter. Powershell is an application usable on Unix-like systems. Question relating to its use are on-topic here to the degree that people think that they will find an audience that is likely to solve those issues. It may well be that some Powershell issues are better answered on SuperUser or elsewhere due to the lack of Powershell _users_ here, but that does not in itself disqualify those questions from U&amp;L. (compare questions on U&amp;L about Vim and Bioinformatics, two topics that even have dedicate SE sites)." CreationDate="2021-07-21T16:20:38.030" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="11679" PostId="5801" Score="0" Text="Thirded  &lt;!-- 7 more characters to go --&gt;" CreationDate="2021-07-21T16:31:31.520" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11681" PostId="5800" Score="3" Text="I think this question would stand better in time if we focused it just on the idea of allowing Powershell answers, and removed the speculation/opinion of the ecosystem around it." CreationDate="2021-07-21T16:32:56.993" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11682" PostId="5800" Score="0" Text="Jeff, as the first answer shows, it is really easy to just reply thinking about the &quot;tool&quot; and not the strategic consequences. The kernel of the question is really what relies underneath all the corporate moves torwards the linux ecosystem. And such central discussion is always avoided, because it is too abstract or other excuses. And here you are asking to remove that part." CreationDate="2021-07-21T16:35:04.400" UserId="6030" />
  <row Id="11683" PostId="5800" Score="2" Text="Well yes. Because this site is not about Linux, it isn't about any ideology, it is about the technical ecosystem of UNIX and UNIX-like operating systems. What our personal views on software development practices are is completely irrelevant. You seem to think that this site is about free software, but it isn't. After all, the actual platform we are using (StackExchange) is closed source and proprietary and, believe it or not, much of the site is running on Windows servers: https://nickcraver.com/blog/2016/02/17/stack-overflow-the-architecture-2016-edition/." CreationDate="2021-07-21T16:44:24.267" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11684" PostId="5800" Score="1" Text="I never thought about the &quot;site&quot; itself, but the opinion of the members. The site may be proprietary, but most of us are not employees in that sense." CreationDate="2021-07-21T16:57:00.797" UserId="6030" />
  <row Id="11685" PostId="5800" Score="1" Text="Oh, indeed. And many of us feel very strongly about free software. But that isn't what we base the site scope on, that's all I'm saying. And in any case, this _is_ a free software tool, it's [released under the MIT license](https://github.com/PowerShell/PowerShell/blob/master/LICENSE.txt), one of the most permissive ones around. So even if we were to exclude non-free tools, this wouldn't be one of them." CreationDate="2021-07-21T17:07:33.650" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11686" PostId="5800" Score="0" Text="But I understand your point. It is a fair point. If we are to be on point and discuss only the tool and not strategy, which may be off-topic on this site, then ok, allow me to edit and trim my question to the basic core." CreationDate="2021-07-21T17:09:15.363" UserId="6030" />
  <row Id="11687" PostId="5800" Score="0" Text="Oh, discussing strategy is fine too! I would just open a new question for it both so we don't confuse the specific (is powershell on topic) with the general, and so we don't get distracted by the fact that powershell is open source and under the MIT license so it isn't really a good example. But do feel free to open a new discussion if you think that would be useful. Just remember that this site isn't Linux-specific, and the UNIX world is much, much more proprietary. (oh, and SuSe isn't a thing, they've been bought by Novell :( )" CreationDate="2021-07-21T17:22:15.807" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11688" PostId="5800" Score="0" Text="what is the link to your new question? I will edit mine and add a link in the footnote for it." CreationDate="2021-07-21T18:31:20.927" UserId="6030" />
  <row Id="11689" PostId="5796" Score="0" Text="Text looks pretty terrible here, especially in equation. Was it resized after rasterization?" CreationDate="2021-07-22T10:22:38.417" UserId="154900" />
  <row Id="11690" PostId="5800" Score="0" Text="I haven't asked one. I was just saying that if you think it is useful, feel free to open a discussion." CreationDate="2021-07-22T12:31:05.210" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11691" PostId="5803" Score="1" Text="Possibly the same: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/367961/im-not-getting-reputation-notifications" CreationDate="2021-07-29T11:57:14.260" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11692" PostId="5803" Score="1" Text="This was related to the [bug that was mentioned](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/367961/im-not-getting-reputation-notifications) in the comment above and has been fixed." CreationDate="2021-07-29T14:12:13.137" UserId="456781" />
  <row Id="11693" PostId="5800" Score="0" Text="idk why exactly, but I found the &quot;our Unix&amp;Linux community&quot; a bit jarring, and echoing the dogmatist tone the question had initially. I took the liberty of editing it... Also, I think it should be useful to consider not only _answers_ using Powershell, but also questions about it." CreationDate="2021-07-31T10:14:11.600" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="11694" PostId="5800" Score="0" Text="@terdon SUSE is once again a separate company, owned by EQT Partners (an investment organization) and publicly traded on the Frankfurt Stock Exchange." CreationDate="2021-08-02T07:34:22.303" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="11695" PostId="5800" Score="0" Text="@StephenKitt oh. Thanks, I hadn't heard." CreationDate="2021-08-02T08:10:51.293" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11696" PostId="5807" Score="0" Text="As someone who's largely unfamiliar with the GNOME ecosystem, is there anything (or &quot;enough&quot;) about gnome2 or gnome3 that would require specialized knowledge? I'm thinking along the lines of &quot;grub&quot; vs &quot;grub2&quot; where it really matters which version you're running. Beyond that, I think synonyms makes sense if/when the version number is prominent in discussing the technology beyond being simply a version. Merging would mean that a question *could not* be tagged with &quot;gnome2&quot; or &quot;gnome3&quot;.  (To be clear, I have no preference at this time)" CreationDate="2021-08-02T13:11:52.287" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11697" PostId="5807" Score="5" Text="@JeffSchaller yes: gnome &lt;3 was a very different beast. I suspect (but do not know) that we only really need one tag for `gnome &lt; 3` and one for `gnome &gt;= 3`. Although, as Roman's data also suggests, I suspect gnome2 will be very, very rare these days." CreationDate="2021-08-02T14:35:38.860" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11698" PostId="5809" Score="1" Text="Isn't the capitalization critical here? The comments say &quot;shift-D is a synonym for d$&quot;." CreationDate="2021-08-03T15:21:43.660" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11699" PostId="5809" Score="4" Text="Not all keyboards have uppercase letters, not even all physical keyboards." CreationDate="2021-08-03T16:16:29.447" UserId="22565" />
  <row Id="11701" PostId="5809" Score="1" Text="Following that reasoning, the suggested `D` `$` should really be `D` `shift-4`, which would be very difficult to argue as a better idea than `d` `$`." CreationDate="2021-08-04T00:34:15.800" UserId="362792" />
  <row Id="11702" PostId="5809" Score="4" Text="@RayButterworth, but shift-4 gives the € sign... well, on my keyboard layout it does :) Especially for special characters one shouldn't assume their placement" CreationDate="2021-08-04T07:59:02.810" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="11704" PostId="5811" Score="0" Text="&quot;*I think it's commonly understood that something like that doesn't involve Shift*&quot;.&#xA;I agree, but there's one nit-picky technical complication though (anyone knowledgeable enough to run into it will quickly figure it out).&#xA;`[ctrl-U]0e3f` can be used to enter Thailand's bhat currency sign, &quot;฿&quot;, but an unshifted `[ctrl-u]` will (in VI) delete everything up to the current cursor.&#xA;In that case: `shift` + `ctrl-U` should be used to make the required shift obvious." CreationDate="2021-08-04T13:28:58.227" UserId="362792" />
  <row Id="11705" PostId="5813" Score="0" Text="Related Meta question: [&quot;Teaching how to fish&quot; considered abusive?](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4791)" CreationDate="2021-08-04T17:13:48.530" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="11706" PostId="5812" Score="3" Text="§2: I also have that impression. I can see that Ctrl+X and Ctrl+Shift+X notation on Firefox and GIMP menu bars too. $3 I think the &lt;kbd&gt;Ctrl&lt;/kbd&gt;+&lt;kbd&gt;X&lt;/kbd&gt; suggestion harms readability, especially when there are lots of keys, and typing those tags are a true pain on itself. §4 I think Emacs' notation is the best, but certainly a bunch of people unacquainted with it would be confused (the &quot;oh, `C-x`... that must be (shift) c hyphen x&quot; sort of mistake)." CreationDate="2021-08-04T20:04:27.393" UserId="388654" />
  <row Id="11707" PostId="5812" Score="3" Text="About &quot;key chords&quot;: `&lt;kbd&gt;` can be nested, see how it looks in [one of my answers on SU](https://superuser.com/a/1560646/432690)." CreationDate="2021-08-06T20:41:04.700" UserId="108618" />
  <row Id="11708" PostId="5812" Score="1" Text="As a non-emacs user, what is the notation to which you're referring?" CreationDate="2021-08-10T11:21:46.380" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="11723" PostId="5812" Score="3" Text="@roaima the same notation as is used in bash’s readline documentation ;-). `C-x` for Ctrl+X, `M-y` for Meta+Y etc." CreationDate="2021-08-12T10:14:49.803" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="11724" PostId="5801" Score="0" Text="&quot;_Any shell that can be installed and run on *nix systems is on topic here as long as it is being run on *nix._&quot; Also, any *nix shell (and related commands) that can be run on non-*nix systems is also on topic. Cygwin, for example. Would your differentiation of &quot;_allowing PowerShell as long as it is being used on a *nix system_&quot; mean that I could ask how to use `Get-ChildItem`  in a script running on Linux but not in that same script running natively under Windows?" CreationDate="2021-08-12T11:26:34.583" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="11725" PostId="5801" Score="0" Text="@roaima I would argue that, in the context of what is on topic here, cygwin qualifies as *nix." CreationDate="2021-08-12T15:41:55.370" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11726" PostId="5812" Score="1" Text="My understanding and experience with most documentation I have seen for the purposes of distinguishing chords from sequences is that `+` and `-` are interchangeable and represent chords (e. g. `Ctrl`-`A` for `screen`'s escape character, while `,` represents an unchorded sequence, e. g. `Ctrl-A`, `d` or `^A`, `d` for the sequence to disconnect a `screen` session)." CreationDate="2021-08-16T14:27:27.613" UserId="20246" />
  <row Id="11727" PostId="5817" Score="0" Text="It would be great if the tag was something that the original poster of the question first thinks to use intuitively, but &quot;gnome-legacy&quot; is not a well known name for GNOME 1 and 2. I imagine the poster typing &quot;gnome&quot; and never getting to &quot;gnome-legacy&quot; because of becoming overwhelmed by all the &quot;gnome-…&quot; options." CreationDate="2021-08-19T09:55:08.727" UserId="423679" />
  <row Id="11728" PostId="5817" Score="0" Text="True, but if the other tags are purged (and historical questions retagged), the only ones that should appear as suggestions would be the two of `gnome` and `gnome-legacy`.. and I'm honestly hard-pressed to think at the moment of another option that's sufficiently breviloquent for a set of two tags.  `gnome-3-or-greater` and `gnome-2-or-lesser` is just awkward." CreationDate="2021-08-19T14:00:25.923" UserId="20246" />
  <row Id="11729" PostId="5822" Score="4" Text="At first glance, I would say that your comment on that answer isn't going to attract any fans." CreationDate="2021-08-19T21:59:54.450" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11730" PostId="5822" Score="0" Text="Your comment here doesn't sound productive, well intented, or positive. If that is the attitude of a mod, what should be expected of a simple user? @JeffSchaller Mod" CreationDate="2021-08-20T01:36:00.787" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="11731" PostId="5813" Score="0" Text="_&quot;suddenly and it's the first time I hear this&quot;_ -- so, where did you hear that? Is there some context to this?" CreationDate="2021-08-20T12:13:56.863" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="11732" PostId="5822" Score="0" Text="It appears that the comments on that question explain why people have downvoted it." CreationDate="2021-08-20T12:42:47.627" UserId="447031" />
  <row Id="11733" PostId="5822" Score="2" Text="@ImHere As Jeff said, being sarcastic in a comment will not likely convince a downvoter to undo their vote. Doing the same thing here is unlikely to help either. It's not necessary to provide a reason for a vote (see e.g. [here](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/791/downvoters-of-questions-should-be-required-to-explain-their-reasoning))." CreationDate="2021-08-20T12:51:12.493" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="11734" PostId="5822" Score="0" Text="@Chenmunka Downvotes (3) where given before Any comments." CreationDate="2021-08-20T14:31:53.217" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="11735" PostId="5822" Score="0" Text="@Kusalananda Then, what should I do, what should be done if Jeff, being a mod, sets a negative tone right at the start ?  Agree with it and take it in? No, there must be a way to complain and that you mods **listen**, not you helping to complicate further more the problems. In any case, No, I don't expect downvotes to be removed, in my experience, they never are." CreationDate="2021-08-20T14:36:13.070" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="11736" PostId="5822" Score="0" Text="Kusalananda Is it a positive behaviour that an user (ilkkachu ) tells the OP which answer he must select (https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/665326/how-to-print-a-in-a-linux-shell/665367#comment1252201_665367)  ... which directed the OP to select another answer (https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/665326/how-to-print-a-in-a-linux-shell/665367#comment1252202_665367) despite this one being his preferred one (https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/665326/how-to-print-a-in-a-linux-shell/665367#comment1252192_665367)." CreationDate="2021-08-20T14:45:00.180" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="11737" PostId="5822" Score="0" Text="@Kusalananda Yes, it is not necessary to provide a reason for a vote, but it is uncommon that 3 downvotes get collected in a very short time, That made me wonder if actually something was very wrong with the answer, which was not. Nothing said is incorrect, nor misleading, not even negative in any sense, yet, someone works tirelessly to trash it." CreationDate="2021-08-20T14:49:08.653" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="11738" PostId="5822" Score="5" Text="All I see here is a bunch of unfounded allegations. Biased? Against what? How? Who? &quot;Negative tone&quot;? What *exactly* was negative about this comment? And: even if it were negative, whoever said that comments on Stack Exchange are not allowed to be negative? By what standards are this negativity measured? &quot;an user (ilkkachu ) tells the OP which answer he must select&quot; .. to quote said user: &quot;you're free to vote and accept as you like&quot;. So here we have you writing outright lies. *That*, if nothing else. is incorrect, misleading and negative." CreationDate="2021-08-20T15:42:43.197" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="11739" PostId="5822" Score="0" Text="@muru Which lie? That comment also said: *but I'll just note that A.B.'s answer had exactly that something like 4 hours earlier, 10 minutes after your question was posted.* hinting the user to accept such answer, which he finally did." CreationDate="2021-08-20T15:50:43.347" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="11740" PostId="5822" Score="0" Text="@muru You are seeing only the side you like, fine, be happy, just another example of **biased reactions**. Have a nice day." CreationDate="2021-08-20T15:52:45.117" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="11741" PostId="5823" Score="0" Text="Where is your attribution for the perl solutions you posted?. Are those new and original? No, they are not, they have been posted innumerable times in the web before you decided to copy them." CreationDate="2021-08-20T16:13:45.773" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="11742" PostId="5822" Score="3" Text="@ImHere, I don't expect you'd value anything I say very highly, but I have to note that you _asked_ what was wrong with your answer, and Jeff answered that by pointing out one possible issue. I don't know about your experience, but I've understood that it's often useful to consider feedback received against one's own behaviour, instead of turning around to complain about the people giving that feedback. Just because you keep repeating that everyone is against you doesn't mean that your own behaviour wouldn't... have its own faults too." CreationDate="2021-08-20T16:18:38.940" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="11743" PostId="5822" Score="0" Text="@ilkkachu Would you stop nagging me. Or you just like the confrontation?" CreationDate="2021-08-20T16:20:30.773" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="11744" PostId="5822" Score="0" Text="If you want to complain about moderation, please use the [contact](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/contact) link found at the bottom of every SE page.  That will let you escalate an issue to Stack Exchange." CreationDate="2021-08-20T16:25:52.930" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11745" PostId="5824" Score="0" Text="Thanks for a reasonable point of view." CreationDate="2021-08-21T17:10:11.433" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="11746" PostId="5824" Score="1" Text="Got the time to edit the answer, hope it is better now, thanks." CreationDate="2021-08-22T17:37:49.260" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="11747" PostId="5825" Score="0" Text="+1 - because I've actually learnt something new today." CreationDate="2021-08-24T17:14:18.293" UserId="97255" />
  <row Id="11756" PostId="5735" Score="1" Text="So the sponsorship wasn't renewed after all?" CreationDate="2021-08-25T13:37:13.640" UserId="59808" />
  <row Id="11757" PostId="5827" Score="4" Text="Since there was a generally positive response to the question, based on the upvotes, and since this answer was well received, I decided to create the [tag:toml] tag.  Thank you!" CreationDate="2021-08-25T18:22:47.063" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="11758" PostId="5817" Score="0" Text="There are no [posts mentioning &quot;gnome 1&quot;](https://unix.stackexchange.com/search?q=%22gnome+1%22). And the oldest [questions mentioning &quot;gnome&quot;](https://unix.stackexchange.com/search?page=187&amp;tab=Newest&amp;q=%22gnome%22) (from 2010) are already about GNOME 2 (which was already there for a long time since its release in 2002). Considering that, it is still early to extend the &quot;gnome 2&quot; tag to include GNOME 1 because it is not evident that we will ever need to." CreationDate="2021-08-26T09:40:51.890" UserId="423679" />
  <row Id="11759" PostId="5813" Score="1" Text="OK, Jeff Schaller now tells me to **stop leaving comments** as well. This is getting ridiculous but OK, I will try to restrain myself. Maybe I should just f* leave this website." CreationDate="2021-08-29T14:18:00.260" UserId="260833" />
  <row Id="11760" PostId="5826" Score="1" Text="The edit that completely changed the answer should be reverted, IMO. Even when an answer is Community Wiki, users should not change it at the point it doesn't answer the question anymore." CreationDate="2021-09-01T09:10:06.303" UserId="1114" />
  <row Id="11761" PostId="5831" Score="0" Text="Thank you! But if I understand correctly, previously entered titles remain in their modified glyph form, right?" CreationDate="2021-09-01T10:22:25.803" UserId="377345" />
  <row Id="11762" PostId="5831" Score="0" Text="@AdminBee No, the transformation was done on display, the database contains the correct title. So now the title of [Why doesn't alias foo='echo &quot;This is a quote: \'&quot;' work?](https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/437965/why-doesnt-alias-foo-echo-this-is-a-quote-work) is rendered sensibly." CreationDate="2021-09-01T10:31:38.773" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="11763" PostId="5831" Score="1" Text="Ok, that's great!" CreationDate="2021-09-01T10:33:27.777" UserId="377345" />
  <row Id="11766" PostId="5826" Score="0" Text="@apaderno, you are absolutely right..." CreationDate="2021-09-02T18:17:05.170" UserId="146102" />
  <row Id="11767" PostId="5833" Score="0" Text="the only thing that was a rant in disguise was in the comment ```&gt; It is also like bad dream This is unix.stackexchange.com not psychology.stackexchange.com &gt;```  I tested different distroes and came to a conclusion. If one can not understand the difference between criticism and rant. Well, the fall of Afghanistan isn't strange anymore (Because of Biden's decision and the closure of his critics).  **Fedora was a bad distro, based on experience**." CreationDate="2021-09-04T05:20:12.167" UserId="487583" />
  <row Id="11768" PostId="5833" Score="1" Text="@user487583:  The difference between criticism and rant is irrelevant in this case.  The question, as written, still just asks for an opinion." CreationDate="2021-09-04T17:16:27.137" UserId="447031" />
  <row Id="11769" PostId="5831" Score="1" Text="What's ALT-0151? 151 (in decimal) seems to be the windows-1252 encoding of the U+2014 character (em-dash). Is that how you enter those characters on some deployments of MS Windows?" CreationDate="2021-09-05T16:45:15.337" UserId="22565" />
  <row Id="11770" PostId="5831" Score="1" Text="@StéphaneChazelas, yes." CreationDate="2021-09-05T16:52:48.290" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="11773" PostId="5835" Score="0" Text="I agree with Faheem. For readers who don’t, assuming answers are unpinned, they can get the old behaviour back with [Glorfindel’s userscript](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/369579/285232)." CreationDate="2021-09-10T10:06:42.387" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="11774" PostId="5835" Score="1" Text="My highest-voted answer on the site wasn't accepted, though it got me a populist badge for (initially) outscoring by far the answer that ended up being accepted.  I suppose I've missed out on a lot of votes since then because of the pinning.  Should I recuse myself from this poll?  ;)  :D" CreationDate="2021-09-13T01:35:42.227" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="11775" PostId="5838" Score="1" Text="This is a great discussion to have; thank you for bringing it up!" CreationDate="2021-09-15T16:05:10.993" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11776" PostId="5838" Score="1" Text="On a side note, I try to keep in mind that various viewers/answerers have different UNIX platforms available and sometimes those the sed/awk/etc toolsets vary across those platforms, so *to me*, a [tag:linux] tag is helpful guidance from the author about the kind of tools they probably have available." CreationDate="2021-09-15T16:06:04.130" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11777" PostId="5838" Score="1" Text="Agreed. I find a tag for their specific shell very useful too so we know if a bash or zsh or other shell solution is appropriate. Many times some shell-specific construct is useful to find the files to operate on or to call the specific tool that does most of the actual processing of those files, etc." CreationDate="2021-09-15T16:28:29.533" UserId="133219" />
  <row Id="11778" PostId="5838" Score="3" Text="When a user adds sed or awk tags to a question they're telling us the kind of tools they have available and think would be appropriate for solutions. Often we add/remove such tags that are appropriate/inappropriate while providing answers. So we get clues initially on how to answer and we get clues in future for how to find answers we want using specific tools. What is the benefit of removing those specific tags and replacing them all with a general `text-processing` tag? I see the benefit of **adding** `text-processing` of course, I just don't know the benefit of removing everything else." CreationDate="2021-09-15T17:04:00.473" UserId="133219" />
  <row Id="11779" PostId="5838" Score="4" Text="Is this basically asking if tags should represent the _question_ (only) or the _answers_ (also)?" CreationDate="2021-09-15T22:57:08.467" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="11780" PostId="5838" Score="1" Text="If someone posts a text-processing question, and answers are provided using awk, (pure) Bash, ed, Perl, sed and zsh; all with the asker using Linux, should the question be tagged with [[tag:text-processing]][[tag:linux]][[tag:awk]][[tag:bash]][[tag:ed]][[tag:perl]][[tag:sed]][[tag:zsh]]?" CreationDate="2021-09-15T23:02:26.450" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="11781" PostId="5838" Score="3" Text="@JeffSchaller, the description for the [tag:linux] tag explicitly says _&quot;If the question just happens to be in a Linux environment, please specify your Linux distribution in the body of your question, but do NOT use the /linux tag.&quot;_ That would appear to be at odds with the idea of using it to hint what tools they have. Plus the mere kernel doesn't tell anyway, e.g. an embedded system with mainly Busybox isn't exactly the same target as a desktop with the full set of GNU utilities." CreationDate="2021-09-15T23:07:47.130" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="11782" PostId="5838" Score="3" Text="As for following the hints the question gives about what tools are available. If a question is tagged with [[tag:sed]] (only), or says something like &quot;how would I do this with sed?&quot;, I'm not sure how much it'd be worth to use that as a basis to denounce answers using e.g. awk, since they're both standard tools and I suppose if one is available, then most likely another is available too? Or are there well-known systems that only provide one but not the other? (Same for the inverted case, and for other standard tools also.) ..." CreationDate="2021-09-15T23:26:51.823" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="11783" PostId="5838" Score="3" Text="... It would be different if they explicitly mention that they need the thing as part of a larger awk program (or whatever), or that they know the system they're on only has sed, but not awk. Also, there's the thing that a number of questions seem to ask about &quot;doing that stuff in Bash&quot;, and taken at face value, that would mean both awk and sed (and join and paste and...) would be &quot;out&quot; for those. Which doesn't appear to be such a good idea. ~~~ [No, I don't have an _answer_. Just, thoughts.]" CreationDate="2021-09-15T23:32:17.030" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="11784" PostId="5839" Score="1" Text="There was one such [proposal here, too](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/1024/630808), but it was declined." CreationDate="2021-09-16T10:54:04.370" UserId="377345" />
  <row Id="11785" PostId="5838" Score="0" Text="Yes, @ilkkachu, the Linux tag and I don't get along. It's my problem, and I'm having trouble getting over it :)  I'm coming from a multi-OS background, and so I see value in having tags to filter the operating environment." CreationDate="2021-09-16T11:29:33.253" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11786" PostId="5838" Score="1" Text="@JeffSchaller, yep. But it would require somewhat a separate set of tags, something like &quot;gnu-system&quot; or &quot;gnu-userspace&quot; for any system with mostly the GNU command line tools (regardless of if it's RHEL, Debian, or some other OS, where they just have installed the GNU tools because they like them, and are open to installing more of them if needed.). Or &quot;busybox-system&quot;/&quot;busybox-userspace&quot; for the other similar case. (And then you fall into the trap where someone specifies &quot;gnu system&quot;, but it turns out to rule away some non-GNU tool that's regardless commonly available on e.g. Linuxen...)" CreationDate="2021-09-16T11:34:52.120" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="11787" PostId="5839" Score="1" Text="There's also the thing that if you want to find solutions using awk to text-processing questions, you should be able to search for `[text-processing] awk`, i.e. &quot;awk&quot; as a keyword and not a tag. Not that I know if SE's search would still prioritize the tag too, but OTOH, some other search engine might not give the tags that much value." CreationDate="2021-09-16T11:39:27.500" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="11788" PostId="5839" Score="2" Text="The search engine allows for searching for `[awk]`, `awk`, which is turned into `[awk]`, `&quot;awk&quot;` (not converted into a tag) and `code:&quot;awk&quot;`, and all of them can be combined with, for instance, `is:q`/`is:a`. IMO there is not much need for tagging answers, while a question I see is: (how much) do we expect users (especially new ones) to know about the search options they have? How much do we care?" CreationDate="2021-09-16T12:23:41.557" UserId="315749" />
  <row Id="11790" PostId="5841" Score="3" Text="This. Tags don't make answers any more easy to find." CreationDate="2021-09-17T13:58:56.690" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11791" PostId="5843" Score="2" Text="Not a new thing: [Why do we reward users for answering bad questions and would it be a good idea to incentivize those who downvote or flag them instead?](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/411512/why-do-we-reward-users-for-answering-bad-questions-and-would-it-be-a-good-idea-t). It's a tragedy of the commons: enlightened individuals could choose to downvote and close instead of answering, but they probably can't be united and fast enough to prevent the unenlightened individuals from answering first, resulting in bad questions being enough for the askers..." CreationDate="2021-09-18T12:43:13.110" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="11792" PostId="5843" Score="0" Text="Good luck with sticking the idea of interfering more with the question asking process  down the throats of the SE powers that be. This is a relatively new development, IIRC, but it doesn't go nearly far enough: https://i.stack.imgur.com/Ucu9D.png  Some of this was briefly discussed in chat a day or two ago, around https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/59159076#59159076" CreationDate="2021-09-18T12:44:32.137" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="11793" PostId="5843" Score="0" Text="I address low-information posts by using well-written (IMHO) canned answers. I have &quot;answers&quot; about using `journalctl` (system &quot;freeze&quot;, system &quot;crash&quot;, network), &quot;`cron` jobs&quot;, adding info in comments (don't), ... Anything where new users ask poor questions, and I know the answer, or any answer or comment that I reuse, like &quot;Ubuntu 16.04 has passed its End-of-life date, and is no longer supported on AskUbuntu.&quot;" CreationDate="2021-09-18T13:28:05.310" UserId="11135" />
  <row Id="11794" PostId="5838" Score="1" Text="re. tagging answers, btw, on law.SE there seems to be somewhat of a custom of adding  tag markers signifying the location to the answers, at least among some posters. Significant there, since legislation is different in different jurisdictions, not that I expect it'd help much with searching. See e.g. [the answers to this Q](https://law.stackexchange.com/q/62008/22198)." CreationDate="2021-09-18T13:49:16.917" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="11795" PostId="5843" Score="1" Text="@waltinator, you should be marking them as duplicates instead... Shouldn't be much more hard to do that vs. copypasting a ready answer, but has the advantage that the dup target can have a more verbose explanation, without that having to be copied everywhere..." CreationDate="2021-09-18T15:04:41.883" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="11796" PostId="5843" Score="0" Text="@waltinator mad kudos to you :-)" CreationDate="2021-09-18T15:23:20.507" UserId="260833" />
  <row Id="11797" PostId="5603" Score="0" Text="Edit #1 at least is valuable and better to have than not have. Calling out the actual commands formatted like that is incredibly helpful when looking for info." CreationDate="2021-09-18T21:32:21.360" UserId="31091" />
  <row Id="11799" PostId="5841" Score="0" Text="@Quasímodo law.se don't even need it, as long as the jurisdiction is mentioned. The New York one for example, would still be clear is about NY, by the first sentence. so does Finland, Brazil, Israel (last two uses titles instead/too). As you can see, tag isn't any different than mentioning it in the answer body, and don't provide any useful metadata unlike it does in questions." CreationDate="2021-09-19T13:14:43.720" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="11800" PostId="5843" Score="0" Text="@ikkachu I do Close(&quot;End of Life&quot;), AND use my canned comment because many low reputation users won't see 1 Close vote." CreationDate="2021-09-19T16:18:00.560" UserId="11135" />
  <row Id="11801" PostId="5310" Score="0" Text="&quot;_overzealous edits sometimes just happen_&quot;, particularly with keen users who've discovered a relatively easy way to boost a low personal score" CreationDate="2021-09-20T14:16:17.617" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="11802" PostId="5835" Score="0" Text="I've locked the two existing answers as the voting period has closed for this round." CreationDate="2021-09-22T01:49:57.757" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11803" PostId="5838" Score="0" Text="Please use *accurate* edit comments." CreationDate="2021-09-22T06:03:19.110" UserId="23408" />
  <row Id="11804" PostId="5838" Score="0" Text="@Scott It remains unclear whom you are addressing with your comment. Would you mind to elaborate?" CreationDate="2021-09-22T07:33:36.820" UserId="377345" />
  <row Id="11805" PostId="5838" Score="0" Text="@AdminBee: I am addressing you, and I was hoping you would recognize / realize what you had done after getting a gentle reminder within 24 hours.  But, OK, I’ll elaborate: when you edit a totally blank document ([135](/review/suggested-edits/135), [136](/review/suggested-edits/136)) to put something there, please do not write edit comments like “Correct typo and remove ambiguous wording”. … (Cont’d)" CreationDate="2021-09-22T18:24:16.300" UserId="23408" />
  <row Id="11806" PostId="5838" Score="0" Text="(Cont’d) …  You did not correct any typos, because there was nothing typed previously.  And, while we could have a debate whether a blank slate is highly ambiguous (it doesn’t rule out any possibilities) or not ambiguous at all (it unambiguously says **nothing**), you clearly did not remove any wording, because there were no words there for you to remove." CreationDate="2021-09-22T18:24:18.697" UserId="23408" />
  <row Id="11807" PostId="5838" Score="0" Text="Also, since you’re prodding me, I did some poking around and found [this](https://unix.stackexchange.com/posts/669980/revisions), where you said “Formatting”, but in fact you changed wording. (And left a typo uncorrected.)" CreationDate="2021-09-22T18:24:21.067" UserId="23408" />
  <row Id="11808" PostId="5838" Score="1" Text="@Scott Oh wow. _I_ am the one prodding _you_. Seriously? The only thing you found was a bug or ill-implemented feature on the review queue of tag wiki edits. For your information, I performed _two_ edits to the tag wiki. The first one in which I created it (which was then placed in the review queue for others to approve), and then somewhat later another one in which I removed ambiguous wording and a typo I oversaw in my very own text. If for whatever reason the edit queue mechanism doesn't preserve the edit history correctly, that is hardly my fault." CreationDate="2021-09-23T07:41:16.760" UserId="377345" />
  <row Id="11810" PostId="5833" Score="0" Text="You continue to rant, opine and provide zero facts for your observations. I've been using Fedora since RedHat 5.0 (not RHEL, RedHat 5.0 which was released in the 90s) and `dnf` had been sort of slow before `libsolv` became a reality but nowadays `dnf` is lightning fast. Also your question contained outright falsehoods which I addressed in the comments." CreationDate="2021-09-23T07:47:06.890" UserId="260833" />
  <row Id="11811" PostId="5838" Score="1" Text="Also, if you really want to play that game, I would be interested to know where the _cosmetic_ part of [this cleanup](https://unix.stackexchange.com/revisions/664382/2) is to be found - I only see a simple rewording, and the place where you could have used e.g. inline code formatting to highlight the verbatim search pattern example (`chunkbig10_1039` or `eppix*` - the latter being prone to misinterpretation as formatting tag btw.) and thereby actually improve the _appearance_, you have omitted." CreationDate="2021-09-23T10:43:38.063" UserId="377345" />
  <row Id="11812" PostId="5847" Score="0" Text="Recent examples: [Bash script behaving differently when executed from Crontab: Edit - Environment Variable issues with Pulseaudio](https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/668852) and [When Calling from cron &quot;subprocess.Popen &quot; in a script is not working](https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/670310) (automatically flagged for moderation due to identical text)." CreationDate="2021-09-23T19:20:09.863" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="11814" PostId="5847" Score="1" Text="Relating https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/a/4885/117549 for background on duplicate questions. It's an interesting idea, having prewritten answers; it makes me wonder about a canonical question or perhaps a tag wiki." CreationDate="2021-09-23T19:42:28.063" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11816" PostId="5848" Score="6" Text="Mods cannot check all possible comments posted on the site. Instead, did you flag the comment? Also, your comment reply doesn't really help and may worsen the situation. *Just flag and move on*." CreationDate="2021-09-24T08:28:41.867" UserId="90391" />
  <row Id="11818" PostId="5848" Score="0" Text="@AndrewT. Of course I flagged it, before posting here !." CreationDate="2021-09-24T09:00:45.570" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="11819" PostId="5848" Score="0" Text="PSA: both comments have now been deleted." CreationDate="2021-09-24T09:12:49.260" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11820" PostId="5848" Score="4" Text="I will add that it seems odd that you are complaining about unsubstantiated allegations in a post that makes two such unsubstantiated (and false) allegations: no user is &quot;encouraged&quot; to post rude comments in any way, and the mod team most certainly doesn't &quot;promote such activity&quot;." CreationDate="2021-09-24T09:14:48.467" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11821" PostId="5848" Score="0" Text="@terdon Dime de que te jactas y te dire en que fallas." CreationDate="2021-09-24T09:16:22.690" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="11822" PostId="5848" Score="0" Text="@ImHere this isn’t Spanish, but “We see things not as they are, but as we are ourselves.”" CreationDate="2021-09-24T09:40:38.920" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="11823" PostId="5848" Score="0" Text="@StephenKitt Exactly ! Exactly what I am saying !!." CreationDate="2021-09-24T09:44:21.047" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="11824" PostId="5848" Score="2" Text="Since the comments have now been deleted, anyone interested can find a screenshot here: https://i.imgur.com/hPvELcP.png" CreationDate="2021-09-24T11:13:50.457" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11825" PostId="5848" Score="0" Text="@terdon Read the edit. I sure hope you could step out of your righteous position for a moment and actually **see** what is happening." CreationDate="2021-09-24T11:27:44.683" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="11826" PostId="5848" Score="0" Text="@terdon Posting images help in which way?" CreationDate="2021-09-24T11:29:14.573" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="11827" PostId="5848" Score="2" Text="Not sure what righteous position you're talking about. But you have posted about a rude comment which has been deleted since you are quite right that it was rude, so I posted a screenshot of both the original comment and your (also deleted) response so users can see the context. Otherwise, they could think you are lying since there is no comment." CreationDate="2021-09-24T11:37:24.280" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11828" PostId="5848" Score="1" Text="For what it's worth, I haven't cast a single vote on any of the questions or answers on that page. I downvoted _this_ post since you are slinging false accusations around, but didn't vote one way or the other on the post you are referring to. All I did was delete the rude comment you had flagged, as requested." CreationDate="2021-09-24T11:40:55.223" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11829" PostId="5848" Score="0" Text="@ImHere I'm confused. Can you explain when ilkkachu posted the comment, and when you flagged it? The problem in understanding the situation is that _both_ answers were up- _and downvoted_ today, and the vote summary for yesterday already showed +6/-0 for ilkkachus answer and +5/-1 for yours..." CreationDate="2021-09-24T11:41:48.627" UserId="377345" />
  <row Id="11830" PostId="5848" Score="0" Text="@terdon Yes, you may not have voted, but you have assigned guilt quite quickly: you said: *two such unsubstantiated (and false) allegations*. Quick to judge, fast to assign guilt." CreationDate="2021-09-24T11:45:19.683" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="11831" PostId="5848" Score="1" Text="Well yes, of course. You claimed, falsely, that moderators encourage users to post rude comments (we don't, we actively discourage them) and that we even &quot;promote such activity&quot;. These are patently false allegations whose falseness I know since I am a mod. So yes, when someone accuses me of doing something I did not do, I judge the accusation as false." CreationDate="2021-09-24T11:47:09.863" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11832" PostId="5848" Score="0" Text="@AdminBee I am commenting from memory, I may be wrong (I hope  am not). But where do you see such summary? In any case, the image posted by terdon have a time for each comment, maybe that could help?" CreationDate="2021-09-24T11:47:30.703" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="11833" PostId="5848" Score="0" Text="I did NOT accused YOU directly, but the analysis I just made shows strong indication that mods (in general) did. @terdon  That is exactly your righteous position: I did nothing wrong, never, ever, so all mods are also clean and well. Maybe they are, but just maybe, they are not." CreationDate="2021-09-24T11:50:27.080" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="11834" PostId="5848" Score="0" Text="@ImHere You probably know the &quot;Show activity on this post&quot;-icon  (a small analog clock) next to each question, below the vote arrows. By default, the vote counts are not displayed in that view, but you can click on &quot;Show vote summaries&quot; and it gives a summary of all votes (up and down separately) for each day. Not time-resolved; I assume because this would somewhat reduce the vote anonymity." CreationDate="2021-09-24T11:50:56.520" UserId="377345" />
  <row Id="11835" PostId="5848" Score="0" Text="@AdminBee mods can see a daily summary of the votes cast on a post (although not by whom). I can see that in the 24h period of the 23d of September, ImHere's answer had received 5 upvotes and one downvote, and the answer received another 2 downvotes and one more upvote in the 24h period of the 24th of September. The competing answer had received 6 upvotes and no downvotes on the 23rd and received 2 up and 2 down on the 24th. I'm afraid we cannot know with any more detail than that, we only get daily summaries, but yes, the OP's answer did get 2 downvotes today." CreationDate="2021-09-24T11:52:26.210" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11836" PostId="5848" Score="0" Text="Oh. Cool, @AdminBee, I wasn't sure if non-mods could see that." CreationDate="2021-09-24T11:53:10.240" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11837" PostId="5848" Score="3" Text="I did all my voting on those answers yesterday, and I have not downvoted your answer @ImHere. By posting a Meta post about the question and its answers, you are naturally funneling more people to the Q/As.  More people means more votes. The comment that this current issue is about has been deleted, so the issue seems to have gone away. Is there something else that needs to be discussed here?" CreationDate="2021-09-24T11:56:40.633" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="11838" PostId="5848" Score="0" Text="@terdon Yeah, if I remember correctly it came somewhere around a few thousand reputation (but I don't remember exactly when)." CreationDate="2021-09-24T11:57:35.823" UserId="377345" />
  <row Id="11839" PostId="5848" Score="0" Text="@AdminBee Yes, I can see the votes now. Yes, mine had 5 up and 1 down registered at 11 hours ago. Well, that is not how I remember that. I saw that our answers were close, and mine was very, very short, so I decided to expand and improve on it. It got 2483 characters 7 hour ago (quite a lot) and later this discussion got started. I might be remembering incorrectly, or remembering a look to an older situation. What history says is what the logs show. Thanks for that." CreationDate="2021-09-24T12:00:24.357" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="11840" PostId="5848" Score="0" Text="@Kusalananda The comments are here, in the image that terdon posted. There is nothing else to be added, I believe, all the facts have been already posted. Just hope things improve in the future." CreationDate="2021-09-24T12:03:20.057" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="11841" PostId="5849" Score="3" Text="Seconded, particularly the &quot;Could the answers be more specific to each question?&quot; part -- the goal of SE is to have answerable Q's with accepted A's, so if the Q's not a duplicate, then it has a specific answer. Thanks for finding the Meta SE post that covers this situation." CreationDate="2021-09-24T14:14:44.457" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11843" PostId="5841" Score="0" Text="@terdon Do you think we have a consensus, then? If so, how would we formulate it?" CreationDate="2021-09-24T15:38:37.117" UserId="377345" />
  <row Id="11844" PostId="5841" Score="0" Text="@AdminBee well, deciding if there's a consensus or not is always hard. Among the people who have chosen to vote and/or answer here, there is a clear trend against using tool-specific tags when the question isn't about that tool but is that enough to call a site-wide consensus? That's always a tricky one. What we usually do is just point people to the meta discussion if they disagree and they can always post their own answer and see if it gets any traction." CreationDate="2021-09-24T15:43:07.913" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11845" PostId="5851" Score="1" Text="Relating, on the main Meta: https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/3669/410681. It doesn't specifically deal with deleted/removed user accounts, but IMO the main reasoning would still stand: the community &quot;acceptance&quot; happens by means of the voting process." CreationDate="2021-09-24T17:14:35.703" UserId="315749" />
  <row Id="11846" PostId="5851" Score="2" Text="Why do you feel that would be helpful? Questions with at least one answer with a positive score are counted as answered. The accept is largely irrelevant and simply indicates the personal preference of the OP. I don't really see any need at all for an accepted answer (personally, I would love to remove the feature entirely since it usually only leads to drama), can you explain why you think this would be beneficial?" CreationDate="2021-09-24T17:29:41.870" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11847" PostId="5851" Score="0" Text="@terdon When I search for answers in stack sites (stackoverflow, unix, superuser...) I tend to look for the _accepted answer first_, which usually would be (that is accepted) an indicator that is the &quot;best&quot; solution. _Then I look for the most upvoted_ (which usually is the accepted one). I don't know if this is just me. The green check has also a visual impact that makes the search for an answer more fluid," CreationDate="2021-09-24T18:09:48.143" UserId="338177" />
  <row Id="11848" PostId="5851" Score="0" Text="Specially if you are the programmer type that opens multiple tabs and scan for solutions very fast. This question was inspired from a comment by the way, issued in the post I linked." CreationDate="2021-09-24T18:14:36.260" UserId="338177" />
  <row Id="11849" PostId="5851" Score="0" Text="Ah, that's a pretty serious misconception though. The accepted answer is not always (or even all that often) the best one. The most upvoted one is often (but again, not always) the best, but the accepted is just the one that the OP liked. That doesn't mean it is good or even safe, let alone correct. This is precisely why SE are [now thinking of unpinning the accepted answer from the top of the post](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/369568/203101): too many people think the accepted one is the best." CreationDate="2021-09-24T18:21:54.000" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11850" PostId="5851" Score="0" Text="@terdon Oh agreed, that's why in my previous comment I tried to not imply those things. Now that I think how I surf for solutions in stack's, I think I tend to discard posts with no accepted answer, as if they were not &quot;good enough&quot;. But I do this things automatically, not giving much thought about them, just my &quot;technique&quot; of searching." CreationDate="2021-09-24T18:34:22.333" UserId="338177" />
  <row Id="11851" PostId="5851" Score="0" Text="@terdon So it may be that this is too personal experience, but well... you don't know until you ask :-)" CreationDate="2021-09-24T18:36:17.637" UserId="338177" />
  <row Id="11852" PostId="5851" Score="1" Text="@terdon, there's also the thing that question lists (both the site front page and search results) also highlight Qs with accepted answers, with the big green filled box vs. an unfilled border. Which kinda draws attention to having or not having an accepted answer, regardless of if it's useful in practice." CreationDate="2021-09-25T08:00:48.827" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="11853" PostId="5848" Score="1" Text="That question has 600+ views now; even if half of them came after this meta post, that still leaves literally hundreds of users who could have voted on the answers based on whatever their own opinions and biases are. Some downvotes are hardly proof that the moderators are unfairly in league with a particular user to boost that user's rep. And then there's the question of why you'd assume the mods would be in such a league specifically with a user who also doesn't tend to avoid speaking their mind when they disagree with the moderators..." CreationDate="2021-09-25T08:33:27.677" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="11854" PostId="5851" Score="0" Text="I think the help center on [What does it mean when an answer is &quot;accepted&quot;?](https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/accepted-answer) needs wider recognition to reduce the misconception about accepted answers." CreationDate="2021-09-25T09:07:19.630" UserId="90391" />
  <row Id="11855" PostId="5841" Score="0" Text="@terdon Yeah, I guess you are right. Pointing people to this Q in case of objections will be the right thing to do." CreationDate="2021-09-27T14:48:01.273" UserId="377345" />
  <row Id="11856" PostId="5856" Score="0" Text="Related: &quot;Write my code for me&quot; in https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/136609/repository-of-useful-pro-forma-comments" CreationDate="2021-09-28T08:31:00.130" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="11857" PostId="5856" Score="0" Text="Now that I think about this, I'm kinda on the fence with it. Assuming someone would bounty a 10k question like that, I'd write the shell script in no time, but then again, I don't think unix.SE is the correct website for that. Might be a good idea for another SE site. I.e. Where asking questions is actually down to asking for code, in the &quot;code this and that for me, pls&quot;." CreationDate="2021-09-28T10:30:31.160" UserId="1290" />
  <row Id="11858" PostId="5856" Score="0" Text="Should it be forbidden to answer such questions? It depends on how one responds. If I write an in-depth and exciting answer, pointing out pitfalls and error conditions, it may benefit others, no? Or do you see answers as only being for the users that ask the questions?" CreationDate="2021-09-28T10:30:48.273" UserId="493832" />
  <row Id="11859" PostId="5856" Score="0" Text="@they I think simply asking for code (especially on **unix**.SE) is just not the right place to do so. I think questions for that should perhaps go on a specific site for &quot;code commissions&quot; or something. In general I'm not against it, but I don't think unix.SE is the correct place for it, etc." CreationDate="2021-09-28T10:32:15.790" UserId="1290" />
  <row Id="11862" PostId="5856" Score="2" Text="Off-the-cuff thoughts: it seems to me that we have two sets of users -- those who want to see useful, well-written questions with demonstrated effort and those that want to be rewarded with reputation points by answering any question that they're able to. There's overlap between the sets, too! Stack Exchange (IMHO) covers both situations. Short of an answer at this point, but I'm thinking if you see a question that &quot;does not show any research effort, is unclear, or is not useful&quot; then consider voting-to-close and/or downvoting." CreationDate="2021-09-28T19:10:15.550" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11863" PostId="5856" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller hmm, ok, so basically what I've been doing so far, with the comment I used, too." CreationDate="2021-09-28T19:51:37.517" UserId="1290" />
  <row Id="11864" PostId="5856" Score="0" Text="Is there room for a third group of users, please? The group of users that wants to see self-contained and well-written answers that are general enough to be helpful to others yet still specific enough to address the original poster's needs? The knowledge-sharing group? Belonging to this group, I'd like to answer even the &quot;gimme the code&quot; type of questions." CreationDate="2021-09-29T08:48:06.597" UserId="493832" />
  <row Id="11865" PostId="5856" Score="3" Text="I jumped to conclusions when reading this Question and assumed it was describing the common homework-type question of &quot;make this turn into that&quot; with no effort shown. I'm personally happy to see well-written questions (and answers) on the site. Certainly, every question on this site is a request for someone else to do work -- to figure out *a* way to solve the problem or to describe how the OP's way failed, and/or both." CreationDate="2021-09-30T19:29:05.337" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11867" PostId="5847" Score="1" Text="Surely a frequently asked question should be closed as a duplicate of the first one?" CreationDate="2021-10-02T12:26:58.747" UserId="447031" />
  <row Id="11868" PostId="5852" Score="0" Text="&quot;this will also apply to trivial or minor variations of previously asked questions&quot; this is something important. The best way to determine if two questions are duplicate is to remove/modify details from the question and see if the problem changes. If it doesn't then, they are duplicates." CreationDate="2021-10-03T22:08:47.010" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="11869" PostId="5858" Score="3" Text="@schrodigerscatcuriosity In the worst case, the answer is wrong and you will learn something new if someone comments, whereas if you don't post you'll never know it better. That's a deal!" CreationDate="2021-10-04T12:14:59.160" UserId="388654" />
  <row Id="11870" PostId="5857" Score="1" Text="Interesting question. I recently failed to ask myself the same question, posted a reply to an old (~1.5 yr) _unanswered_ Q, and... ." CreationDate="2021-10-04T17:23:40.887" UserId="227738" />
  <row Id="11871" PostId="5858" Score="1" Text="@Quasímodo Indeed. Learning is my main drive, and sometimes I'm just happy with what I learnt despite if I answered or not :-)" CreationDate="2021-10-05T07:38:45.323" UserId="338177" />
  <row Id="11872" PostId="5846" Score="11" Text="We had the [IBM sponsorship announcement](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5735/ibm-will-soon-be-sponsoring-unix-linux) in the past but the staff conveniently ignored some of the answers. The concerns raised there also apply to this." CreationDate="2021-10-06T00:36:44.130" UserId="388654" />
  <row Id="11874" PostId="5856" Score="0" Text="So, are you asking: can someone write me a script to automatically review the &quot;write me a script&quot; questions?" CreationDate="2021-10-08T14:53:21.417" UserId="79275" />
  <row Id="11875" PostId="5856" Score="0" Text="I tend to analize what is the *minimum* effort put into the question. I never downvote *except* the copy pasted homework assignments. It's just people that think the site *is a scripting service*. Then there is the next level, at least the OP wrote they own words, but doesn't show any work done by they part. At least in these situations, *you can ask for it*, and they would maybe share some code. They may just need a little push." CreationDate="2021-10-08T15:35:02.413" UserId="338177" />
  <row Id="11876" PostId="5856" Score="0" Text="→ So with more interaction, you can make a VLQ question a passable and answerable one." CreationDate="2021-10-08T15:37:08.877" UserId="338177" />
  <row Id="11877" PostId="5856" Score="0" Text="I answer such questions sometimes - when i think the problem is interesting (or a good opportunity to showcase a useful technique) AND the OP doesn't come across as being demanding.  I'm inclined to write such answers for the general reader and only incidentally solve the OP's problem while doing so." CreationDate="2021-10-09T01:43:48.867" UserId="7696" />
  <row Id="11878" PostId="5859" Score="2" Text="Knowing how to find, analyse, and consolidate stuff on the net is itself a kind of expertise, and a fairly valuable &amp; uncommon one if the questions on this site are anything to go by.   lmgtfy.com exists for a reason..." CreationDate="2021-10-09T01:50:47.757" UserId="7696" />
  <row Id="11879" PostId="5860" Score="0" Text="I wonder if it's worth it to have a full tag for both. The subjects aren't that wide anyway. Combining them into one and make one an alias for the other would be one option, but that's technically wrong and might be confusing if someone knows there's a difference. Or just [[tag:command-line-parsing]]" CreationDate="2021-10-11T09:49:31.633" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="11880" PostId="5860" Score="0" Text="There is no generic `getopt` utility. There is GNU `getopt`, and there is, e.g. `getopt` on BSD systems that may not support long options at all. It would therefore be better to suggest a `gnu-getopt` tag, IMHO." CreationDate="2021-10-11T11:31:18.403" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="11881" PostId="5860" Score="0" Text="I'm torn between &quot;are there getopt experts that would subscribe to this tag?&quot; and &quot;we use tags to describe many other (small) pieces of UNIX technology.  Do we want to carve out a tag for questions that happen to use getopt incidentally and/or intentionally? Would someone who's just trying to parse options in their script know to use the getopt tag? Would the site's editors?  (I'm undecided, but it's a good question/discussion to have)" CreationDate="2021-10-11T16:42:48.143" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11882" PostId="5860" Score="1" Text="maybe making getopt and getopts both aliases for the options or command-line-parsing tag would be best." CreationDate="2021-10-11T17:30:27.307" UserId="7696" />
  <row Id="11883" PostId="5860" Score="1" Text="I don't think there's a GNU `getopt` command line tool either. There's the `getopt()` and `getopt_long()` functions in the GNU C library and `getopt()` is in POSIX. The feature-rich command line tool is from util-linux." CreationDate="2021-10-12T07:34:05.607" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="11884" PostId="5860" Score="0" Text="AFAIK, `getopt` in util-linux is a reimplementation of previous getopt tools which had various bugs and were unsafe to use - mostly the usual whitespace &amp; shell metacharacter issues that plague shell scripting." CreationDate="2021-10-12T09:24:44.090" UserId="7696" />
  <row Id="11885" PostId="5859" Score="1" Text="&quot;Stating how you know what you've learned doesn't make you look like a cheap hack, it makes you look like a talented researcher.&quot;  +1 for that alone.  (The rest of the answer is good too.)  :)" CreationDate="2021-10-13T02:43:27.583" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="11886" PostId="5846" Score="3" Text="Btw, for how much time they're sponsoring?" CreationDate="2021-10-14T18:13:15.667" UserId="66803" />
  <row Id="11887" PostId="5846" Score="4" Text="@Pandya it says &quot;beginning September 27 through December 31&quot;" CreationDate="2021-10-14T18:29:53.257" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11888" PostId="5861" Score="10" Text="Never mind his bona fide *Greybeard* cred, I will be forever in his debt for `cdrecord` alone. @Schily" CreationDate="2021-10-14T21:46:29.567" UserId="233270" />
  <row Id="11889" PostId="5862" Score="2" Text="There's similar [a recent Meta post](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/371020/why-did-i-get-serial-voting-only-for-a-vote-on-a-post) that's been closed as a duplicate of https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/362020/non-serial-voting-corrected whose accepted answer says (in part): &quot;There was a mass invalidation that occurred on several sites of our network&quot;." CreationDate="2021-10-20T14:39:33.500" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11890" PostId="5862" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller That sounds like a stock answer being used to cover up a bug, frankly.  Either there was a mass invalidation or there wasn't.  And, indeed, if there was a mass invalidation has the justiofication for this been verified not be a bug in itself, as it has happened before ?  The normal approach would surely be to remove the user involved which would remove the votes with a better message." CreationDate="2021-10-20T14:50:56.510" UserId="249403" />
  <row Id="11891" PostId="5862" Score="0" Text="Well, I suppose bugs happen, but mass invalidations happen, too. Whether the user is removed or not is up to The Management, but since invalidation is a &quot;somewhat&quot; normal activity (to correct abnormal voting), I would chalk this up to invalidation instead of a bug, until we're told otherwise. Feel free to follow any/all of those Meta posts to see if there's more updates." CreationDate="2021-10-20T14:52:42.143" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11892" PostId="5862" Score="0" Text="@StephenG that one actually did happen. I cannot share the details publicly (and don't know all of them myself) but there was indeed one specific user who had been very active for many years and knew the system well enough to game it. This was eventually noticed and a mass vote invalidation went out across the network. That isn't what we have here as far as I know though. Here we just have the normal vote invalidation: someone was caught voting in bad faith and their votes were reversed. You were just caught in the cross fire, that's all." CreationDate="2021-10-20T15:08:51.107" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11893" PostId="5862" Score="0" Text="Oh and removing the user doesn't remove the votes if they're old enough, and in any case, that gives an equally uninformative message (&quot;-10 user was removed&quot;). There's nothing fishy here, just regular vote fraud being caught." CreationDate="2021-10-20T15:09:53.400" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11894" PostId="5863" Score="0" Text="So basically we don't actually know if these instances are bugs or not.  I have no doubt that serial voting takes place (I've been a victim of serial downvoting on another SE just recently but in that case I saw every downvote before they were reversed).  In a comment you said this was a specific instance network wide, but it really is better for the system to generate some summary of the event (statistical) and message users automatically.  I will perhaps propose such a feature in another Meta post (matbe on SE) not here when I have got things clear in my mind." CreationDate="2021-10-20T15:27:50.360" UserId="249403" />
  <row Id="11895" PostId="5862" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller Just to be clear the actual reputation change is not worth worrying about.  The way it is reported and the lack of transparency clearly bothers not just me but other affected users.  It looks like a bug and the way to fix that is better communication by the automated systems, I think." CreationDate="2021-10-20T15:30:36.457" UserId="249403" />
  <row Id="11896" PostId="5863" Score="0" Text="@StephenG I was referring to the specific instance that spawned the meta post Jeff linked to. There we did know who the user was because the case was discussed by various network moderators who noticed the pattern on their sites. So I just happen to remember the discussion and can confirm that it was a real user being an ass an not a bug. In your case, I asked an SE employee to look into it and they confirmed that there were a bunch of votes invalidated yesterday, it looks like someone who was using a script to randomly upvote posts, and it just happens that one of them was yours." CreationDate="2021-10-20T15:32:45.617" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11897" PostId="5862" Score="0" Text="@StephenG remember that voting is secret by design. You won't be getting more information than &quot;N votes were invalidated&quot;. Anything else would be a breach of privacy. One of the nicer things about the SE system is that it allows people to be &quot;reformed&quot;, and doesn't hold grudges. So telling userA that a vote from userB was invalidated would make it hard for userB to come back from it with a clean slate. I doubt there will ever be more info than what the system currently gives." CreationDate="2021-10-20T15:35:20.820" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11898" PostId="5863" Score="0" Text="This happens every now and then with users “working” to get the [Electorate badge](https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/badges/28/electorate)." CreationDate="2021-10-20T15:37:27.080" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="11899" PostId="5846" Score="0" Text="@maulinglawns I fail to understand the remark. Could you help me scross the street?" CreationDate="2021-10-20T15:40:25.660" UserId="216004" />
  <row Id="11900" PostId="5862" Score="1" Text="@JeffSchaller We don't need the names of individuals but e.g. an automated message telling people that &quot;you were one of 20 people were affected by someone abusing the voting system&quot; might be mroe helpful than the current message, which clearly just confuses people." CreationDate="2021-10-20T15:50:32.223" UserId="249403" />
  <row Id="11901" PostId="5862" Score="0" Text="@StephenG suggesting a different wording could be useful, sure. I admit I don't find the message confusing but then I've been hanging out here for more than a decade so I guess I'm used to it." CreationDate="2021-10-20T15:51:27.740" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11902" PostId="5863" Score="1" Text="@StephenKitt In my 40 years working with computers the thing that baffles me most is why people care so much about these kind of internet &quot;awards&quot;.  I guess I'm no psychologist. :-)  Thanks." CreationDate="2021-10-20T15:53:09.523" UserId="249403" />
  <row Id="11903" PostId="5862" Score="0" Text="@StephenG I'm happy to try to clarify anything I said, but I think you're @ tagging me for comments that terdon made. My main point was that this &quot;serial voting&quot; is something that happens, gets corrected, and is probably not a bug this time, based on the dupe-closure of that MSE post I found. See also an 8-hr old comment on that final Accepted answer: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/362020/non-serial-voting-corrected#comment1238438_362059" CreationDate="2021-10-20T16:08:46.840" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11904" PostId="5861" Score="3" Text="So sad. Will continue to remember the fun time" CreationDate="2021-10-21T23:42:51.457" UserId="464517" />
  <row Id="11906" PostId="5867" Score="2" Text="Thanks, I wasn't aware of the MSE post. Sounds ok to me! Do you want to add `status-bydesign` to the question?" CreationDate="2021-10-22T13:46:18.747" UserId="377345" />
  <row Id="11907" PostId="5867" Score="1" Text="Maybe. Sounded like there were intentions to change the behavior at some point, so I'm not sure what the &quot;design&quot; is at this point :)" CreationDate="2021-10-23T00:43:30.603" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11908" PostId="5867" Score="1" Text="https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/363151/703623 then https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/306875/703623" CreationDate="2021-10-23T19:06:52.407" UserId="72456" />
  <row Id="11909" PostId="5851" Score="0" Text="@terdon *Questions with at least one answer with a positive score are counted as answered* By somethings, maybe, but I see many years old non-accepted-answer questions bumped to the front page by Community all over SE." CreationDate="2021-10-24T10:19:43.633" UserId="56871" />
  <row Id="11910" PostId="5846" Score="1" Text="https://v.gd/1hVnqp" CreationDate="2021-10-25T18:52:47.583" UserDisplayName="anon" />
  <row Id="11914" PostId="5869" Score="2" Text="This doesn't answer the question, which is whether you can use reputation points from another site to create your bounty." CreationDate="2021-10-29T10:19:39.617" UserId="447031" />
  <row Id="11915" PostId="5870" Score="1" Text="I don't think that part about the order of creation is right. The association bonus is granted once you get 200 on any site, not just the first one." CreationDate="2021-10-30T19:14:11.773" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="11916" PostId="5870" Score="0" Text="Why only &quot;in theory&quot;? The bounty I placed on [this question](https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/a/114106/121607) came right out of my association bonus - that was really handy as I needed an answer fast and joined Pi SE mostly to ask that question ;)" CreationDate="2021-11-03T10:10:42.750" UserId="377345" />
  <row Id="11917" PostId="5870" Score="0" Text="@muru true; I'll edit the answer in a bit to clarify." CreationDate="2021-11-03T10:30:29.993" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11918" PostId="5870" Score="0" Text="@AdminBee because it's possible, but not in James E's situation." CreationDate="2021-11-03T10:31:14.167" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11922" PostId="5872" Score="3" Text="I'm curious: Has there been any &quot;disruptive flagging&quot; that you want to caution the community against with this Q&amp;A?" CreationDate="2021-11-17T12:36:50.207" UserId="377345" />
  <row Id="11923" PostId="5872" Score="1" Text="@AdminBee no, not as such. I have seen many flags recently where a user has flagges something as very low quality or even not an answer and yet hasn't downvoted which seems very strange, but apart from that nothing much. I just thought it would be useful to have something like this to point new users towards." CreationDate="2021-11-17T12:38:38.580" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11924" PostId="5872" Score="1" Text="Ok, I see. I must admit that I myself rarely downvote, and tend to refrain from doing so even on posts I flagged VLQ - inconsistent behavior, I agree." CreationDate="2021-11-17T12:40:14.607" UserId="377345" />
  <row Id="11925" PostId="5872" Score="4" Text="@AdminBee remember that downvotes are i) the primary way to indicate that an answer isn't useful and ii) allow &gt;20k rep users to vote to delete a post. So if something is so bad it should be flagged as NAA, also downvoting it helps the community get rid of it faster." CreationDate="2021-11-17T12:41:22.093" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11926" PostId="5872" Score="0" Text="You're right, that is an important remider ..." CreationDate="2021-11-17T12:42:20.027" UserId="377345" />
  <row Id="11927" PostId="5872" Score="2" Text="Sort of related - It's worth noting this meta: [Recommend Deletion option in Late Answers review queue does nothing - please flag posts that should be deleted](https://meta.askubuntu.com/q/19822/348964). The bug report on Meta: [Remove (or rename) the ineffective &quot;recommend deletion&quot; option from Late Answers queue](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/371918/280335)" CreationDate="2021-11-21T06:53:44.613" UserId="97255" />
  <row Id="11928" PostId="5872" Score="2" Text="If a post flagged as VLA or NAA should also be downvoted then maybe the flag should auto-downvote, in the same way as the spam flag does. Maybe an enhancement request should be posted on Meta? Mind you, personally, I also add an additional downvote for spam, so spam gets -2 whenever I see it - I'm not sure if that's what's meant to be done though." CreationDate="2021-11-21T07:00:47.203" UserId="97255" />
  <row Id="11929" PostId="5872" Score="5" Text="@Greenonline it's not that they _should_, it just seems like the reasonable thing to do. We have votes, so we should use them. That said, spam posts really should NOT be downvoted. That is actually actively harmful since downvotes can remove the post from the front page which means it might not get enough flags to be deleted. So no, please don't downvote spam. See the relevant MSE post: [Why shouldn't I downvote spam that I've already flagged?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/193916)" CreationDate="2021-11-21T10:41:17.740" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11930" PostId="5872" Score="0" Text="@terdon - Ah, I'd never sen that meta post before. Thanks." CreationDate="2021-11-21T10:59:30.480" UserId="97255" />
  <row Id="11931" PostId="5875" Score="0" Text="Relating https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4226/117549" CreationDate="2021-11-21T23:59:10.583" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11934" PostId="5873" Score="0" Text="*If the OP is asking how to do foo and an answer explains how to do bar* At times it is possible that OP is asking how to do foo and the answer explains how to do bar is synonymous to OP asking how to do Y, while the answer explains how to do X; where X and Y are the same X and Y in a typical XY-Problem. What to do in such cases?" CreationDate="2021-11-22T14:10:13.353" UserId="367116" />
  <row Id="11935" PostId="5876" Score="1" Text="It's got a score of 2 (out of 4) right now." CreationDate="2021-11-23T12:40:01.290" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11936" PostId="5876" Score="1" Text="we might want to improve that amount of potential voters by making sure questions are tagged, but that's something we should do for new questions anyway." CreationDate="2021-11-23T12:41:54.233" UserId="106650" />
  <row Id="11937" PostId="5876" Score="0" Text="Can't mods create synonyms without going through the voting process?" CreationDate="2021-11-24T07:45:04.563" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="11938" PostId="5876" Score="0" Text="@muru is there a need for haste?" CreationDate="2021-11-24T14:56:59.900" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="11939" PostId="5876" Score="0" Text="@Kusalananda realistically, how fast do tag synonyms get created? I'm thinking somewhere on around &quot;never&quot;, since we need an intersection of people (a) that have the voting rights, (b) either know a synonym has been proposed or go to the tag page and find out and (c) actually do that voting too." CreationDate="2021-11-24T15:10:09.423" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="11940" PostId="5876" Score="4" Text="I was considering featuring this post as a way to get more main-site visibility. I hesitate to mod-vote on an alias, since I don't want to speak for the community. If the natural voting doesn't get there, I'd consider &quot;enough&quot; positive voting on these posts (and lack of opposition) to be an indication that the community thinks it's a good idea, and hammer the alias in." CreationDate="2021-11-24T15:16:32.287" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11941" PostId="5873" Score="0" Text="@kesarlingHe-Him sorry, I missed your comment! Can you explain what you mean? I am afraid I have trouble parsing it." CreationDate="2021-11-24T18:51:48.970" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11943" PostId="5853" Score="0" Text="But how much personalization is necessary if the Answer is on the order of &quot;Tie your shoes&quot;?" CreationDate="2021-12-01T03:48:31.233" UserId="11135" />
  <row Id="11944" PostId="5853" Score="0" Text="@waltinator, none, and you should use the &quot;Vote to close as duplicate&quot; function in those cases." CreationDate="2021-12-01T10:43:47.150" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="11945" PostId="5853" Score="0" Text="But if you can answer that the user should tie their shoelaces (probably not the shoes themselves), because _in this particular case_, the loose laces might get caught in the thingy they're talking about in their question, and that they might want to read this other answer which explains issues with loose shoelaces in general, this and others included, then that would perhaps be worth answering." CreationDate="2021-12-01T10:47:32.250" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="11946" PostId="5876" Score="0" Text="I'd vote for it if i could, because i think the synonym is a good idea - even though I've never answered a WSL-only question and probably never will (unless it's also tagged with, or about, bash or sed or awk or something)." CreationDate="2021-12-04T07:30:20.950" UserId="7696" />
  <row Id="11950" PostId="5878" Score="1" Text="I think you should include what the actual question is, at least at a high level, to better inform the answers to this meta-question." CreationDate="2021-12-06T21:56:30.423" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="11951" PostId="5878" Score="0" Text="Unix gained its portability by rewriting hardware-independent components in C; your question may also gain portability if you can separate distro-dependent information from your core needs." CreationDate="2021-12-07T05:14:32.403" UserId="186590" />
  <row Id="11952" PostId="5846" Score="0" Text="Nice but I still wonder why going through Doubleclick is needed. It also seems likely to severely underperform and/or undercount clicks and interest from this site's audience, cf. https://plausible.io/blog/google-analytics-adblockers-missing-data" CreationDate="2021-12-07T10:14:46.340" UserId="59808" />
  <row Id="11953" PostId="5876" Score="0" Text="3 out of 4 as of today" CreationDate="2021-12-08T00:01:42.910" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="11954" PostId="5868" Score="1" Text="Why not just post the question and see if you get a useful answer?   You can't set a bounty immediately, anyway. And who knows, the question itself might be popular enough that it gets you another 60 rep points. Anything is possible if you believe in yourself (insert more inane &quot;inspirational&quot; dreck here) :-)" CreationDate="2021-12-08T05:54:35.527" UserId="7696" />
  <row Id="11955" PostId="5880" Score="1" Text="I guess something like &quot;how do I install a distribution-provided package&quot; would make sense in mostly all Linuxes and BSDs, but would have very different answers in each..." CreationDate="2021-12-09T14:35:12.477" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="11956" PostId="5880" Score="0" Text="@ilkkachu exactly: so it would not be &quot;apply to mostly all Linux distributions&quot;. I just don't see how something can be _both_ applicable to various systems _and_ have different answers depending on the system. Either it is applicable to all (so, one answer) or it has different answers depending on the system and therefore is not applicable to all." CreationDate="2021-12-09T14:45:25.390" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11957" PostId="5880" Score="1" Text="well, I mean, IMO, the _question_ would apply on any system that distributes application software the user can install. The concepts there are the same, regardless of if the underlying system is apt/dpkg or yum/rpm or whatever. Just the answers won't apply to each distribution. (Now that I read it again, package managers are exactly what they mentioned there.)" CreationDate="2021-12-09T15:24:31.870" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="11958" PostId="5880" Score="0" Text="@ilkkachu yes, so if the answers depend on the specifics of the package manager, then the question is, by definition, not applicable to most distributions. I just don't see how a question can be both applicable to all _and_ have answers that are specific." CreationDate="2021-12-09T15:47:06.473" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11959" PostId="5880" Score="1" Text="I'm not sure if we have a different idea of a question applying in some context, then. I was thinking about if the X in &quot;I'm trying to do X, but don't know how&quot; makes sense in the context. It's not a question of the tools at that point. But ok, what if the party asking the question doesn't know beforehand if the same answer applies to all distributions? Ok, maybe in the case of package managers it's &quot;well known&quot; enough that they're different. But what about some other case? Should we expect the askers to know the exact limits of the subject beforehand?" CreationDate="2021-12-09T17:16:44.247" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="11960" PostId="5880" Score="0" Text="@ilkkachu of course not, but it seems that in this case, the OP does know. Which is why I find the question confusing. They are specifically asking about something that is both &quot;applicable to all systems&quot; _and_ &quot;has different solutions depending on the system&quot;.  Which is not possible. Sure, &quot;how can I install tetris&quot; could be asked for any operating system, but obviously the answers would be different per system so the question would have to be targeted to the system the OP has." CreationDate="2021-12-09T17:22:35.093" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11961" PostId="5878" Score="0" Text="Can you please give a specific example? It seems that I am not understanding what you want here. I just cannot see how the same question can both &quot;apply to mostly all Linux distributions&quot; _and_ its answers will  &quot;vary depending on what Linux distribution&quot;. It seems to me that it will always be one or the other but cannot be both." CreationDate="2021-12-11T19:22:08.643" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11962" PostId="5876" Score="0" Text="Incidentally, [the list of proposed synonyms](https://unix.stackexchange.com/tags/synonyms?filter=suggested) is a handy page to visit every once in a while. See also [Some kind of notification system for when tag synonyms are suggested](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/304152/285232) and the linked questions." CreationDate="2021-12-13T09:29:15.003" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="11964" PostId="5856" Score="0" Text="Historically attempts to write shared stock responses have got a little out of hand. eg: https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5316/why-i-closed-the-why-is-kali-so-hard-question" CreationDate="2021-12-13T15:43:16.907" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="11965" PostId="5884" Score="0" Text="Not sure I'm understanding your question: are you asking if there is a way to align a code block to the text in a numbered list item (e.g. the first code block in your point 3) without manually adding spaces at the beginning of each line?" CreationDate="2021-12-20T10:47:18.357" UserId="315749" />
  <row Id="11966" PostId="5884" Score="0" Text="@fra-san Quite the opposite: how to **not** align the code block, like the part in point 3) after the horizontal line. It is not rendered into code if one uses the standard number of 4 spaces without introducing e.g. this horizontal line." CreationDate="2021-12-20T10:48:47.527" UserId="123460" />
  <row Id="11967" PostId="5884" Score="1" Text="Sorry, I wasn't reading carefully. [This answer](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/3327/code-block-is-not-properly-formatted-when-placed-immediately-after-a-list-item/99637#99637) on the main Meta seems relating, even though it's old and doesn't deal with how not to break numbering." CreationDate="2021-12-20T11:11:50.660" UserId="315749" />
  <row Id="11968" PostId="5884" Score="0" Text="Oh wow. I want the exact opposite: an easy way of having code blocks properly indented when they are part of a list. If it is not indented, then it will appear as though it is not part of the list. Isn't the current system what you want? Code blocks, unfortunately, do not get the right indentation at the moment without manual tweaking." CreationDate="2021-12-20T11:18:07.807" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11969" PostId="5884" Score="0" Text="@terdon I just realized the block works if either `&lt;!-- --&gt;` is used as suggested by fra-san OR if there is prepending, non-intented text. Only if there is no prepenting text or this text is also intented, the code block breaks. But I agree, CRTL+k should be smarter in such cases." CreationDate="2021-12-20T11:24:45.187" UserId="123460" />
  <row Id="11970" PostId="5884" Score="0" Text="... Also, adding to my previous comment, the [CommonMark specification](https://spec.commonmark.org/current/) seems to state that a list _is_ interrupted by non-blank lines that aren't properly indented, meaning that the item counter is reset by design in cases such as the zero-space-indented code block in your question." CreationDate="2021-12-20T11:37:00.063" UserId="315749" />
  <row Id="11971" PostId="5885" Score="0" Text="About Ctrl+K: it seems to be meant to work the other way round: first, use Ctrl+K to format a code block; then, select the whole to-be list item, including the code block, and format it with Ctrl+O." CreationDate="2021-12-20T11:40:23.937" UserId="315749" />
  <row Id="11973" PostId="4397" Score="0" Text="Have you written in a bit more detail somewhere how doas is different from sudo, would love to learn more about how it's different." CreationDate="2021-12-29T22:17:37.580" UserId="50490" />
  <row Id="11974" PostId="4883" Score="0" Text="I am waiting for the day when Steam goes full x64, will probably take a decade or more as they still seem to have a ton of 32-bit apps on the store and till those aren't 64-bt, Steam won't :(" CreationDate="2021-12-29T23:55:36.437" UserId="50490" />
  <row Id="11975" PostId="5861" Score="1" Text="I remembered the name but dunno why, when you shared his work on cdrecord and mkisofs I remembered. So many times I was able to make iso's because of him. Although debian now uses genisoimage along with some other tools." CreationDate="2021-12-30T00:00:48.043" UserId="50490" />
  <row Id="11976" PostId="5887" Score="1" Text="There's https://unix.stackexchange.com/tools?tab=stats&amp;daterange=last30days" CreationDate="2021-12-30T00:28:22.977" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="11977" PostId="5889" Score="0" Text="true, the issue is at times I completely forget and close the session and the interesting question was the one below or the one above which I hadn't opened in a new tab. And because it is always in flow, once that question goes down or whatever, the chances of finding it again are slim to none." CreationDate="2021-12-30T05:41:28.053" UserId="50490" />
  <row Id="11981" PostId="1514" Score="0" Text="I disagree that the question about filling memory isn't relevant to &quot;people with actual problems to solve&quot;, and indeed I think the passage of time has more or less proved this answer wrong. That question continues to get multiple upvotes per month, eight years after the end of its supposed &quot;15 minutes of fame&quot;. Indeed I only found this Meta question after wanting to artificially fill up memory for testing purposes, googling, and finding that question about filling up memory (from whose comments section this Meta question is linked)." CreationDate="2022-01-02T12:20:06.163" UserId="29001" />
  <row Id="11982" PostId="5890" Score="0" Text="Could you explain what the issue is a bit more clearly? Are you asking why we have the tags or why we consider the systems on topic? Anyone can create tags and the presence of a tag doesn't indicate anything at all about whether something is in scope." CreationDate="2022-01-06T12:49:34.767" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11983" PostId="5890" Score="0" Text="I'm asking about why they are considered on topic. I'll edit my question to make it more clear." CreationDate="2022-01-06T12:51:12.590" UserId="482007" />
  <row Id="11984" PostId="5891" Score="2" Text="... and it's up to the user asking what audience they want to have for their question (e.g. a generic Unix user/admin crowd, a programmer crowd, an Ubuntu user crowd, a server sysadmin crowd, etc.)" CreationDate="2022-01-07T07:56:19.157" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="11985" PostId="5892" Score="2" Text="Both Unix and Cygwin are 100% on topic." CreationDate="2022-01-07T11:50:32.740" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11986" PostId="5892" Score="0" Text="Glad you at least explained the downvote (please don't just downvote without any explanation). However, I'm not sure if you read it all...I even explicitly mentioned Cygwin. The question is about a) the scope of the site and b) even if the scope remains unchanged, linux.stackexchange could be a better choice for several reasons including what the majority of the content of the site is about and how well understood terms are in the public (for example it can confuse many people about the site's contents when looking for answers related to a Linux question which is the scope of most questions)." CreationDate="2022-01-07T11:59:38.117" UserId="233262" />
  <row Id="11987" PostId="5893" Score="0" Text="Your answer is insightful but I think you somehow misunderstood my post: I never said Unix, macOS and Cygwin are off-topic, actually I said the ___opposite___ of that. I asked about changing either the scope of the site or only changing the subdomain to reflect the bulk of content on the site as well as being less confusing to the public. Your stats supports Linux Qs being the vast majority of questions (and the share is probably even larger as many or most Linux questions don't have linux in the question body) &amp; I explicitly took macOS &amp; Cygwin etc into considerations. Outlined some benefits." CreationDate="2022-01-07T12:08:02.653" UserId="233262" />
  <row Id="11988" PostId="5892" Score="1" Text="Downvotes on meta simply indicate disagreement with the proposal. That said, you say you would migrate Cygwin questions away from here to [su], that's why I clarified that it is on topic here. And https://linux.stackexchange.com/ redirects to here, as you point out, so it already works. Are you suggesting we make this site about Linux only for some reason? If so, please edit to clarify and explain why you feel removing a huge part of the site's scope would be a good thing." CreationDate="2022-01-07T12:08:38.307" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11989" PostId="5893" Score="0" Text="@mYnDstrEAm that isn't very clear in your question, I'm afraid. Or it wasn't to me, anyway :). I personally feel it is important to keep the unix in the name and the URL since i) most newbie linux users think it is a unix anyway, and ii) since as you correctly point out we have far more Linux questions, it is useful to show that Unix is actually on topic and welcome. Now, if you are instead arguing to make UNIX off topic, please clarify that and explain why you think that would be a good thing." CreationDate="2022-01-07T12:10:43.433" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11990" PostId="5892" Score="0" Text="No, I didn't. I said this could be done. It would be an option but is not a necessity. This is what I meant with that I may not have elaborated it well enough and people may misunderstand it. The proposal is about changing the subdomain, everything else relates to details and different ___options___ of doing so. Three benefits of changing the scope are outlined next to &quot;scope of the site&quot;, including better understanding by the public. Also better discoverability, less confusing for general public, better describes actual (majority of) content, less redundancy with other SE sites and more." CreationDate="2022-01-07T12:12:04.503" UserId="233262" />
  <row Id="11991" PostId="5892" Score="1" Text="OK. Then yes, please edit and clarify. I understood that you are suggesting we rename the site and the domain to linux.stackexchange, and make everything non-Linux off topic. If instead you only want to change the main URL, that is a different discussion but please also explain what you feel the benefit would be given that linux.stackexchange does bring you here already. Finally, remember that we are the only place where Unix is a core part of the scope, while there are loads of other sites that deal with Linuxes." CreationDate="2022-01-07T12:14:28.867" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11992" PostId="5893" Score="2" Text="Many of the &quot;Linux&quot; questions (actually just question posed by Linux users) are &quot;Unix&quot; questions in that they are unrelated to what Unix-like operating system is being used. I have a feeling this goes for the majority of the 77k+ &quot;Linux&quot; questions." CreationDate="2022-01-07T12:39:57.700" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="11993" PostId="5893" Score="0" Text="I edited and will try to refine it further over time. However, I'm pretty sure actually that &quot;most newbie linux users&quot; in 2022 don't &quot;think think it is a unix anyway&quot;. This may have been the case in the past, but nowadays I'd be very surprised if the majority could make proper sense of &quot;Unix&quot; (meaning they have heard about that term but don't know the intricate history and various distinctions and that it relates to Linux and how it does so). Also you entire sites are usually not named after a minority content on it to show that it's on-topic &amp; welcome, there are various drawbacks to doing so." CreationDate="2022-01-07T12:42:00.740" UserId="233262" />
  <row Id="11994" PostId="5893" Score="0" Text="@Kusalananda However, as noted the site is not unixlike.SE, but unix.SE. Many of the same reasons for why it's not &quot;computers.stackexchange&quot; (as the site's contents would fit that scope) also apply here. Moreover, the questions that are about things that are specific to something non-Linux are a small fraction. Reasons for having a clearly distinguished, focused, well-understood scope and/or title of SE sites also include attracting, motivating, identification (with the site; including community-building) and efficiency (i.e. discoverability of questions) of users." CreationDate="2022-01-07T12:49:50.360" UserId="233262" />
  <row Id="11995" PostId="5893" Score="1" Text="@mYnDstrEAm It is well understood that the scope of questions relating to &quot;Unix&quot; tends to include questions relating to &quot;Linux&quot;. As terdon already points out, the Linuxy URL redirects to this site and the site contains &quot;Linux&quot; in its very name. The best way to attract users is by answering interesting questions in a professional and educational way so that Google and others prioritize our high-quality content over random blogs and YouTube videos when people with problems to solve are searching for answers." CreationDate="2022-01-07T12:56:36.413" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="11996" PostId="5893" Score="0" Text="I very much doubt your uncited claim that &quot;It is well understood that the scope of questions relating to &quot;Unix&quot; tends to include questions relating to &quot;Linux&quot; - this is not known in the general public, including even tech-savvy computer users (many of which don't yet use a GNU/Linux). I also pointed out the redirect in the question. I didn't say that it was the best way to attract new users (also you seem to refer to readers not active signed-up users)." CreationDate="2022-01-07T13:01:22.753" UserId="233262" />
  <row Id="11997" PostId="5893" Score="1" Text="@mYnDstrEAm re &quot;&quot;most newbie linux users&quot; in 2022 don't &quot;think think it is a unix anyway&quot;: you got that the other way around. It's newbie users using Linux who think that Linux is Unix. We regularly get people using Ubuntu, for example, who come here and ask for a &quot;Unix command to do foo&quot;. They don't know the history and various distinctions, that's why they mistakenly think that Linux is a Unix." CreationDate="2022-01-07T13:03:08.243" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="11998" PostId="5893" Score="0" Text="@terdon And they mistakenly think that because the site is still called &quot;unix.stackexchange&quot;. (Nevertheless, regular occurrences of very few users is not a good data source / reference for any similar claim.)" CreationDate="2022-01-07T13:06:17.533" UserId="233262" />
  <row Id="11999" PostId="5893" Score="1" Text="@mYnDstrEAm I don't know why you're focusing on this so much. I can assure you that it is a standard thing, you can see it on this site, on Ask Ubuntu, on every linux-related forum on the internet, people confuse Unix and Linux. But that's irrelevant to your main point of renaming the site. I feel there is no need to rename it precisely because we get so many Linux questions. The hard bit is attracting Unix users, we have no problem attracting Linux users. [cont...]" CreationDate="2022-01-07T13:13:02.150" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12000" PostId="5893" Score="1" Text="[...cont]  The fact that the vast majority of posts here are about Linux would suggest Linux users are having no problem finding the site. And if we renamed it to Linux instead, then I fear we would start losing Unix content." CreationDate="2022-01-07T13:13:07.720" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12001" PostId="5893" Score="0" Text="To put it frankly, Unix is becoming ever more irrelevant while Linux is becoming ever more relevant, popular, widespread &amp; widely known (as said, note that macOS already has a separate SE) and non-Linux Unix is far less popular. Sources include https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=unix,linux This is why there are so few Unix-specific questions &amp; &quot;already so many Linux questions&quot;. Sites are usually not named for attracting more people for a minority content on the site but by other factors, eg mainly the primary content on it. Re losing Unix content: new separate SE are an option." CreationDate="2022-01-07T13:20:20.503" UserId="233262" />
  <row Id="12002" PostId="5893" Score="0" Text="@mYnDstrEAm then please add all this to your question. Personally, I _want_ Unix content here. If you don't, then you need to make your argument for why having that content here is harming the site. Of course Linux is more popular, but that's precisely why sites like this which also cater to Unix are so important." CreationDate="2022-01-07T13:22:29.867" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12003" PostId="5893" Score="0" Text="Okay. However, it's not that I don't want Unix content here or think that it's harming the site. Nevertheless, I would indeed prefer if non-Linux specific content got its own dedicated SE sites in cases where such sites don't already exist (referring to at least the apple.SE). The primary concern of the Q was changing the subdomain, changing the scope along with creating new SE site/s / migrating content was only a related topic, maybe the question/feature request should be split into two albeit these two topics are interwoven." CreationDate="2022-01-07T13:26:24.130" UserId="233262" />
  <row Id="12004" PostId="5893" Score="0" Text="@mYnDstrEAm it already does: it has [unix.se] :) Many SE users, myself included, are generally very against splitting sites into smaller ones. The smaller ones are rarely successful and it results in a fragmentation of information making it harder to find. I still haven't understood what problem you are trying to solve here and why anyone would benefit from such a split." CreationDate="2022-01-07T13:31:19.650" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12005" PostId="5893" Score="0" Text="Good point. Nevertheless, that largely addresses the scope-change, not the subdomain-change. Moreover, having all the questions thrown together can also make it harder to find them for contributors. Maybe specific cases could clarify the already described reasons and benefits better, but one of the reasons is simply that the title is largely ill-descriptive of the site's contents as it's not called unixlike.SE or like the domain of the majority of contents here. The large GNU/Linux community currently doesn't have any other modern problem-solving website. Further reasons in Q's bullet points." CreationDate="2022-01-07T13:52:11.120" UserId="233262" />
  <row Id="12006" PostId="270" Score="0" Text="Here I outlined the rationale for changing the subdomain to linux: https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/q/5892/233262" CreationDate="2022-01-07T14:03:19.907" UserId="233262" />
  <row Id="12007" PostId="5893" Score="0" Text="But that's just it, that's what I still don't understand here. The site is called &quot;Unix and Linux&quot; and it is about Unix and about Linux. It is not about Unix-like and it is not about Linux, the site is about both Unix (and Unix-like) and Linux. We have fewer Unix questions because there are fewer Unix users, but the site is very much about all of these. The site's name is not the URL, it is the title you see at the top of every page and that name is &quot;Unix &amp; Linux&quot;." CreationDate="2022-01-07T14:17:55.337" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12008" PostId="5893" Score="0" Text="Well, I asked about changing the subdomain. Unlike for most websites and for all other stackexchange sites that I know of, the (sub)domain is largely ill-descriptive of the site's contents as it's not called unixlike.SE (or UL.SE) or like the domain of the vast majority of contents here. The url / domain title is important." CreationDate="2022-01-07T21:49:17.583" UserId="233262" />
  <row Id="12015" PostId="5896" Score="0" Text="This is an open and shut case: they are [clearly](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolvconf) NOT synonyms!" CreationDate="2022-01-11T10:59:23.583" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="12017" PostId="5896" Score="0" Text="@Gilles'SO-stopbeingevil' You're absolutely right, I'm sorry. I should have looked into it more carefully. I'm at work now, but I'l post an update later when I get the chance and see how I can fix it. This is on me, not the OP." CreationDate="2022-01-11T11:13:31.417" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12018" PostId="5896" Score="0" Text="@terdon It's partly my fault. The point of Meta is to find issues I didn't think of. But I also should have done a quick search before posting on Meta. It's also worth noting that questions about the file [often has the resolvconf tag](http://web.archive.org/web/20211129173348/https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/resolvconf) anyways, so ideally there should be something to get people to use the correct tag." CreationDate="2022-01-11T14:43:33.227" UserId="495409" />
  <row Id="12019" PostId="5896" Score="0" Text="Thanks for that link, @cocomac, that will be useful. I have now deleted the synonym and I can use that link to start retagging any posts that were actually about the tool with the `resolvconf` tag." CreationDate="2022-01-11T16:32:29.083" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12020" PostId="5896" Score="0" Text="@terdon Mind joining `/dev/chat` for a moment? I have an idea that might help" CreationDate="2022-01-11T16:36:41.853" UserId="495409" />
  <row Id="12021" PostId="5893" Score="0" Text="@mYnDstrEAm a recent example of the Unix==Linux issue: [How to grep a variable in unix](https://unix.stackexchange.com/posts/comments/1296571)" CreationDate="2022-01-12T10:38:41.567" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12022" PostId="5893" Score="0" Text="Not sure what you mean to say with that. You don't name a site based upon opinion about what 0.005% of users confuse and as I said earlier, this confusal (mistaking linux for unix) is an _outcome_ of the inappropriate name/domain of the site, instead of the name being e.g. a proper response. So this doesn't support your case at all. Anyway, you basically ignored my points and brought up one I already addressed multiple times.  - - - The subdomain is illdescriptive of the site's contents as it's not called unixlike.SE (or UL.SE) or like the domain of either all or the vast majority of contents." CreationDate="2022-01-12T11:54:08.940" UserId="233262" />
  <row Id="12023" PostId="5893" Score="0" Text="@mYnDstrEAm sorry, that was unclear. I was referring to your comments doubting that people today often use the term &quot;Unix&quot; when they mean &quot;Linux&quot;. As for the rest, I am not ignoring your points, I just don't agree with them, personally. Given that https://linux.stackexchange.com points to us and given that Unix _is_ on topic, I feel it is more useful to have the default URL mention unix because otherwise people might thing it is a site for Linux only. Since we get thousands of Linux questions, I don't see any evidence suggesting people might not realize Linux is on topic." CreationDate="2022-01-12T12:00:36.757" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12024" PostId="5896" Score="1" Text="@Gilles'SO-stopbeingevil' and cocomat, I have now gone through all questions mentioning the string `resolvconf` that were tagged with `resolv.conf` and did my best to retag correctly." CreationDate="2022-01-12T19:09:27.083" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12025" PostId="5895" Score="0" Text="Phew. I finished retagging: I went through all questions that were tagged with `resolv.conf` and which contained the string `resolvconf` and retagged as appropriate." CreationDate="2022-01-12T19:10:50.410" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12026" PostId="5896" Score="1" Text="@terdon Thank you very much, very sorry for causing this. Next time I will be more careful before I come to Meta." CreationDate="2022-01-12T19:15:19.477" UserId="495409" />
  <row Id="12027" PostId="5896" Score="0" Text="@cocomac you caused nothing! All you did was ask.I should have known better than to act so quickly." CreationDate="2022-01-12T22:21:49.983" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12028" PostId="5846" Score="2" Text="AWS extended its sponsorship to March 31. I've updated the post to reflect the new dates." CreationDate="2022-01-18T14:42:54.983" UserId="456781" />
  <row Id="12029" PostId="5900" Score="6" Text="Given that the newest [tag:learning] question is over 6 years old and the oldest is over 11 years old, is there anything worth keeping? If so, what do we think about moving the content here, to Meta?" CreationDate="2022-01-19T17:55:36.620" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="12030" PostId="5900" Score="3" Text="Separately, if/when the tag is emptied, we can request that it be blocked from future questions, if that's what the community would like. (It seems like a good idea to me)" CreationDate="2022-01-19T17:56:14.273" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="12031" PostId="5900" Score="5" Text="@JeffSchaller αғsнιη suggested deleting the questions, in chat. Most are already closed anyway, but I didn't feel comfortable deleting posts unilaterally without community input. So I asked αғsнιη to open this discussion here." CreationDate="2022-01-19T19:08:58.187" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12032" PostId="5900" Score="1" Text="@JeffSchaller we just kill a [new question](https://unix.stackexchange.com/q/687019/72456) with this tag and that was the start of this request to remove &quot;learning&quot; tag" CreationDate="2022-01-19T19:54:49.667" UserId="72456" />
  <row Id="12033" PostId="5901" Score="2" Text="Just talking for myself, I value readable, interesting questions and well-written, easy-to-follow answers that answer the question at hand. I value people who learn from others, and that are willing to pass knowledge on. I dislike help-vampires, and &quot;try this&quot; and &quot;cargo cult&quot; answers, or answers with little or no explanation. But that's just me." CreationDate="2022-01-20T14:37:20.580" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="12034" PostId="5901" Score="0" Text="Which answer? This one? https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/686792/170373" CreationDate="2022-01-23T10:00:26.113" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="12035" PostId="5901" Score="1" Text="Also... if it is that one, there only appears to be one other answer in addition to yours, so saying &quot;all existing answers&quot; focused on the locale is a bit misleading..." CreationDate="2022-01-23T10:29:04.707" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="12036" PostId="5902" Score="2" Text="OTOH, there already was an answer that told the &quot;why&quot;, and in practice, people asking &quot;why doesn't this do what I want/expect&quot; also implicitly want to know &quot;how do I get what I expected&quot;. It wouldn't be very useful to have to post another question to get the workarounds if one made the mistake of just asking the &quot;why&quot; the first time... Stephen's answer also tells the &quot;what to do instead&quot;, and no-one is going to blame him on that. Also this falls back to the conflict between answers having to be independent, and the arguable lack of usefulness in repeating the same things in many answers." CreationDate="2022-01-23T11:13:40.003" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="12037" PostId="5902" Score="0" Text="@ilkkachu if something has been said, there's no point in repeating it. There is nothing wrong with having just one answer posted. Also, I hadnt voted on this, I don't know why the downvoter voted, I am just giving one possibility. That said, I disagree that asking &quot;why does this happen&quot; also implies &quot;how do I get what I expected&quot;. I often know the latter and ask a question only about the former. Finally, if you answer the question asked _and_ add something extra, that's great. But don't post an answer just to add something extra, that's noise." CreationDate="2022-01-23T11:30:05.547" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12038" PostId="5902" Score="0" Text="I'm noticing that the &quot;method&quot; discussed in the answer is unexplained, contains &quot;magic constants&quot;, and in general lacks text describing the code. It triggers my &quot;try this&quot; downvoting-finger." CreationDate="2022-01-26T11:45:56.190" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="12039" PostId="5903" Score="2" Text="Huh. Good question. My knee-jerk reaction is that no, that wouldn't be on topic since it isn't really about the OS itself. Let's see what other people think though." CreationDate="2022-01-27T13:00:33.973" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12040" PostId="5903" Score="4" Text="I would tend to agree with terdon here. Questions about the inner administrative routines of distribution teams might possibly be on-topic on distribution-specific sites (e.g. askubuntu). These questions are not _really_ related to the use and administration of Unix &amp; Linux systems though. On the other hand, if a user is trying to package some software for e.g. OpenBSD or Arch Linux, and finds issues that relate to tools and tool usage (not policy-related), then those tool questions may be brought here." CreationDate="2022-01-27T13:17:26.923" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="12042" PostId="5903" Score="1" Text="Hmmm. Now I'm wondering about opensource.stackexchange.com aparently it just left beta https://opensource.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/890/open-source-is-leaving-beta" CreationDate="2022-01-27T14:34:33.257" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="12043" PostId="5903" Score="1" Text="opensource.SE at least has [How can I get my program into a Linux distribution (Debian)?](https://opensource.stackexchange.com/questions/990/how-can-i-get-my-program-into-a-linux-distribution-debian), which seems kinda on the same subject. Not that the [What topics can I ask about here?](https://opensource.stackexchange.com/help/on-topic) there really gives that much space for processes of individual organisations unless &quot;how communities collaborate together to produce, distribute, market and sometimes monetize these projects&quot; fits the bill. It seems to be more about philosophies and licenses." CreationDate="2022-01-29T11:35:26.897" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="12044" PostId="5906" Score="9" Text="... and comments are not for answering." CreationDate="2022-02-12T09:01:32.543" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="12046" PostId="5901" Score="0" Text="No one values security on this website, and since no one understands &quot;pen-testing/cybersecurity&quot; I got often downvoted for answering such stuff. STUFF that I've been working 7 years on. I pretty much hacked hundreds of universities, public places, neighborhoods at that time. I know what I'm talking about. BUT say anything about cybersecurity here and you got 30 monkeys jumping you with a stick rod ready to punish you. EVIDENCE none of my cyber securities answers survived on the stack. They will praise you for answering &quot;how to deactivate your mouse using GUI&quot; My 2 cents for this community" CreationDate="2022-02-17T17:27:35.123" UserId="335274" />
  <row Id="12047" PostId="5906" Score="0" Text="@Stephen Skitt , I think your answer is reasonable ; however, I want to respond to others questions about &quot;Why don't you post more answers and solutions here ..&quot; . Just consider the example above where I ask a completely reasonable question, and get attacked with baseless down votes. So as an admin I suggest you consider imposing some sort of penalty or 1 point cost to someone down voting others else this SE is very unlikely to attract new users, comments or solutions." CreationDate="2022-02-23T00:19:11.143" UserId="426437" />
  <row Id="12048" PostId="5906" Score="4" Text="@Marc I suspect that your question attracted downvotes because it starts with an incorrect premise (that answering requires 50 rep); that shows that you didn’t do much research before asking it, and that tends to attract downvotes. Please don’t consider downvotes as “attacks”. Also note that I am not an admin (moderator), and even if I were, I wouldn’t be able to change the voting costs. Making question downvotes cost points (same as answer downvotes, except on Meta) has been discussed in the past, see Meta.SE." CreationDate="2022-02-23T08:15:13.493" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="12050" PostId="5909" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the response Jeff.  &quot;use awk; I'll post a full answer later&quot; is a little unfair, I outlined a way to do it: read in a parametised number of lines and print them out, read in the other lines into an array and then sort the array and print them out.  Anyhow moving on: the two questions that I was trying to respond to were Maallaard's, but I wasn't sure that an explanation was an answer, and user936802's where I see the same thing with Alma/KDE.  I have a work around for it, but not a complete answer, hence why I tried to comment but aren't allowed to! (Why do comments work here?)" CreationDate="2022-03-04T22:35:09.933" UserDisplayName="user516667" />
  <row Id="12051" PostId="5909" Score="0" Text="Sure! I just know that a lot of people struggle with the learning curve here, so if I can make it easier for one earnest person, I'll feel good!" CreationDate="2022-03-05T01:10:51.127" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="12052" PostId="5909" Score="1" Text="I didn't mean to mischaracterize your answer; rather, that a comment like &quot;I'll flesh this out later&quot; is a strong indication that you should wait before answering. I know I've been bitten a couple times when I posted the answer before doing enough testing! Looking back at that question you tried to answer, I noticed that three more answers arrived within 20 minutes of yours. They all seem to use the external `sort` command, so your idea of sorting internally within awk could still be a unique answer." CreationDate="2022-03-05T01:10:55.920" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="12053" PostId="5909" Score="1" Text="Regarding comments, I'll be the first to admit that the Stack Exchange codebase has lots of twisty little passages and I'm constantly referring to the [Help Center](https://unix.stackexchange.com/help) and the various [FAQs on Meta](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/faq). The [comment anywhere privilege](https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/privileges/comment) is awarded at 50 reputation points here at U&amp;L. The unique part here is that *&quot;you can always comment on your own posts, and any part of your questions&quot;*." CreationDate="2022-03-05T01:11:01.180" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="12054" PostId="5910" Score="0" Text="Quickly: no, flags are counted as &quot;helpful&quot; once the post is deleted. I believe there's a daily bump in allowed flags as yours are marked helpful. I can try and dig up the details later." CreationDate="2022-03-07T12:25:41.813" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="12055" PostId="5910" Score="0" Text="@Jeff, ah, that may explain why I am limited to the weird number of 11 then. I assume it will grow." CreationDate="2022-03-07T12:32:32.037" UserId="433674" />
  <row Id="12056" PostId="5910" Score="0" Text="https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/164900/307535" CreationDate="2022-03-07T12:33:18.540" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="12057" PostId="5910" Score="0" Text="Thank you for your help in keeping spam off the site!" CreationDate="2022-03-07T12:33:52.797" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="12058" PostId="5910" Score="1" Text="Incidentally, comment flags are counted separately from main-post flags, but contribute to increasing the limit. If you raise 10 (or 11) helpful comment flags, that should grant you at least one more main-post flag for the day." CreationDate="2022-03-07T13:10:39.150" UserId="208744" />
  <row Id="12059" PostId="5910" Score="2" Text="Somewhat related, on the main Meta: [Helpful spam flags should not be counted to the per site daily flag limit](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/216825/410681)" CreationDate="2022-03-07T17:27:09.397" UserId="315749" />
  <row Id="12060" PostId="5913" Score="10" Text="Brilliant, thanks for posting this!" CreationDate="2022-03-08T10:57:20.347" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12061" PostId="5913" Score="4" Text="&quot;in particular, do not downvote it&quot; -- and this part is hilariously stupid, which of course is par for the course for SE. Downvoting to remove the spam from sight  sounds like something one might relatively naturally want to do." CreationDate="2022-03-08T14:38:21.167" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="12062" PostId="5913" Score="3" Text="@ilkkachu the ultimate removal from sight is deletion, and that can take longer if spam is removed from sight without being deleted." CreationDate="2022-03-08T14:41:29.013" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="12063" PostId="5913" Score="6" Text="@StephenKitt, yes. And if what is required for that is visibility on the front page, then spam flags should counter those downvotes to _prevent_ them from hiding the spam. There's no sense in having a feature that obviously works to remove bad stuff (from sight) which then inversely should not be used for other bad stuff. The tools should be designed to make the job easier for the user." CreationDate="2022-03-08T14:44:15.927" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="12065" PostId="5913" Score="1" Text="Thanks for this, I misremembered that a way of dealing with spam was downvoting it. Monty python would be happy with this wave of spam " CreationDate="2022-03-08T15:28:01.833" UserId="338177" />
  <row Id="12066" PostId="5914" Score="2" Text="You should have received an email message and also an SE inbox notification when you were suspended. Are you saying neither of those things happened? I also tested this by suspending a sock account and confirmed reception of both messages." CreationDate="2022-03-08T15:59:52.663" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12067" PostId="5914" Score="1" Text="I want to help you; a private message was sent at the time, and it'd be my preference to continue using that channel instead of publicly Meta, since we don't generally discuss suspensions publicly. If it's impossible to communicate privately, I'm open to discussing it here, with the goal being to educate everyone on what we see as acceptable vs unacceptable behavior." CreationDate="2022-03-08T16:12:21.280" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="12068" PostId="5914" Score="1" Text="(in other news, the &quot;Meta rep&quot; issue appeared to be temporary; its rep is apparently recalculated on some separate schedule; sometime in the past 30 minutes or so, it was synced back up to your main-site rep)" CreationDate="2022-03-08T16:15:03.043" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="12069" PostId="3647" Score="1" Text="If you've posted a question to one site, and it's not getting enough attention, is it then ok to &quot;ask again&quot; on another site that might get it more attention?" CreationDate="2022-03-08T20:55:20.763" UserId="198377" />
  <row Id="12070" PostId="3647" Score="2" Text="@CameronTacklind no, actually, that is very actively discouraged. The Stack Exchange network has a [strong aversion to &quot;cross-posting&quot;](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/64068/203101) the same question on multiple sites. I don't personally happen to agree with it, but that's the rule. If you want to post on another site, please delete the question from the original site first." CreationDate="2022-03-08T21:05:00.317" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12071" PostId="5914" Score="0" Text="@waltinator, can you confirm that you received neither an email nor an inbox notification?" CreationDate="2022-03-09T10:25:58.033" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12073" PostId="5913" Score="11" Text="*&quot;in particular, do not downvote it&quot;* SE's behaviour is particularly misleading because flagging spam marks a downvote... which is the most visible effect to most users.  So without this meta-post it actually looks like everyone else is down-voting!" CreationDate="2022-03-09T10:32:00.970" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="12074" PostId="5913" Score="3" Text="Don't forget that if a post is flagged as spam, it goes into the VLQ review queue where reviewers will see it even if its negative score has removed it from the front page." CreationDate="2022-03-10T11:02:39.937" UserId="447031" />
  <row Id="12075" PostId="5906" Score="1" Text="@MarcCox in addition to everything Stephen said, note that downvoting answers [_does_ have a -1 point cost to the downvoter](https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/privileges/vote-down). We're a bit obsessed with the signal-to-noise ratio here. These sites were set up to fix perceived problems of forums and one of those is that the useful information is lost in a sea of exploratory questions and comments. This is why we require that answers provide a full answer and why it is standard practice to downvote answers that do not. I know this is weird for new users, but it does work!" CreationDate="2022-03-10T11:19:37.917" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12076" PostId="5914" Score="0" Text="@terdon I confirm that I received neither an email nor an inbox notification." CreationDate="2022-03-11T00:07:06.147" UserId="11135" />
  <row Id="12077" PostId="5914" Score="0" Text="@waltinator I'm really surprised that you didn't get an SE notification! We're asking SE for help to see if something went wrong. I'm the meantime, would you humor me and see if a message shows up circa March 1 in your network inbox? From your [profile](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/users/11135/waltinator), click the &quot;Profiles&quot; drop-down at the upper right and choose &quot;Network profile&quot;, then the &quot;inbox&quot; section. Depending on how much activity your SE inbox gets, you may have to click through the pages to get back to March 1. Thank you!" CreationDate="2022-03-11T11:38:22.897" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="12078" PostId="5914" Score="1" Text="Hello @waltinator please make sure that you have a verified email linked to your account so that you can receive notifications and emails from us. If you have any other questions please feel free to contact the Community Team by utilizing the [Contact](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/contact) button at the bottom of the page." CreationDate="2022-03-11T16:32:22.077" UserId="496700" />
  <row Id="12079" PostId="5914" Score="2" Text="You can see the mod message we sent you here, @waltinator: https://unix.stackexchange.com/users/message/315#315. You should also be able to find it in your notifications, which are available in the top bar inbox link." CreationDate="2022-03-12T12:56:57.803" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12080" PostId="5917" Score="7" Text="What’s more, automated translation tools would likely struggle to cope with any question containing a mixture of natural language and commands, command output, example inputs/desired outputs etc." CreationDate="2022-03-19T18:00:33.423" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="12081" PostId="5917" Score="0" Text="&quot;Questions posted in a language other than English on an English language site are unclear by definition and should be&quot;... [edited to clarify the meaning of a post without changing it](https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/privileges/edit)? A human translation is by definition an improvement, and the question can still be voted on normally afterwards, so the order of operations here seems backwards. In particular it can be marked duplicate, which is more useful to future users. Whether the answer is comprehensible to the original querent isn't relevant since they are not the primary audience." CreationDate="2022-03-20T04:06:33.843" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="12082" PostId="5917" Score="0" Text="(they may often be clearly unsalvageable, so if you can read it then leaving a comment to that effect is probably a better use of your time, and editing a closed question that will clearly remain closed is still unhelpful for the usual reasons, etc, but in principle &quot;translate if you can and it's not certainly still going to be closed unclear&quot; seems like a best first step, rather than last)" CreationDate="2022-03-20T04:08:47.257" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="12083" PostId="5917" Score="2" Text="@MichaelHomer human translations where the question is particularly good are the one exception I advocate for, yes. Personally, I have yet to find such a case: every single non-English question I have seen posted in any of the languages understand on all SE sites I am active on was a crappy, unclear question in the original language too. People who don't put the effort to realize they're using the wrong language tend to also not put any effort into their questions. But sure, if you find a gem in a language you can translate, go for it." CreationDate="2022-03-20T10:38:49.620" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12084" PostId="5917" Score="3" Text="It happened to me a couple of times in AskUbuntu that, once pointed out to OP that the site is english only, they made the effort to translate the question. I can understand a few languages too, so I could see if the question was meeting basic requirements of quality. So, shouldn't be an option to ask OP first? In english, to check that they understand it. (I'm not advocating this, just thinking outloud)." CreationDate="2022-03-21T05:29:24.763" UserId="338177" />
  <row Id="12085" PostId="5917" Score="2" Text="@schrodigerscatcuriosity of course you can ask. I am arguing against using automatic translators here, is there something in the answer that makes it seem like I am against asking the OP to translate? If so, it was unintentional." CreationDate="2022-03-21T07:13:17.493" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12086" PostId="5917" Score="1" Text="@terdon Sorry, you are right. That happens for reading at 3 a.m. I guess what trigger my comment was *&quot;I would consider that to be inconsiderate [...] and rude&quot;*. My sensation is that that sometimes people do things in the internet hastily, not that they are careless, but just driven by the internet &quot;standard behaviour&quot;. I remember a couple of times (at AU) when the questions where, if not good, at least showing effort into writing them. OP just missed the language part... hard to miss, but not impossible. But don't mind me, just slept a couple hof hours." CreationDate="2022-03-21T10:23:06.460" UserId="338177" />
  <row Id="12087" PostId="5917" Score="1" Text="&quot;I am arguing against using automatic translators here&quot; - I think the answer could be a lot clearer about a mechanical-translation focus, because it's not really apparent. In that line, Stephen's point is well-made. Perhaps leading with a list/matrix of guidelines would help (&quot;never translate mechanically, it won't handle technical content&quot;, &quot;if you can read it, consider whether it's plausibly salvageable before translating yourself&quot;, etc). I am still uncomfortable with some of the implications about the questions and where they're coming from in here, in honesty." CreationDate="2022-03-21T20:57:48.817" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="12088" PostId="5917" Score="2" Text="@MichaelHomer I am arguing against translation in general because in my experience it is rarely actually helpful, but if people want to do it, that's their call. I feel much more strongly against the use of automated translating tools since those tend to produce crappy results. I don't know what implications you are referring to. Does this come across as though I am implying something about where questions come from? If so, that is not my intent and I have no idea what it is I give the impression of implying. As for policy, I do close with what I propose. I take it you feel that isn't clear?" CreationDate="2022-03-21T22:03:40.220" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12089" PostId="5917" Score="0" Text="Also, this isn't a mod &quot;laying down the law&quot; here. I am proposing a site policy, just like any other user. I think at least one of my co-mods disagrees or at least has another take and may well post their suggestion as a competing answer. If you or anyone else disagrees, please downvote and ideally also post an answer with your position. This is intended as a discussion, so opposing views are very welcome." CreationDate="2022-03-21T22:06:38.090" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12090" PostId="5917" Score="1" Text="I don't think we should conflate non-english with bad questions no matter how strong the correlation. That would be akin to closing every Kali question because the vast majority are utter rubbish.  The mistake we made with Kali was to underestimate scope creep of the &quot;Why won't anyone help me?&quot; meta question.  We shouldn't underestimate the scope creep of a &quot;no translations&quot; policy." CreationDate="2022-03-22T12:31:47.240" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="12091" PostId="5917" Score="1" Text="@PhilipCouling I added a TL;DR with the main thrust of the argument I am making. I want to avoid automatic translations, mainly. Now, in my experience, pretty much every single non-English question I've seen, in any of the 5 languages I can understand well enough to translate, was a crappy question. The correlation here isn't between non-English speakers and bad quality (that would be absurd!), it's between *people who don't realize/care they're using a different language* and bad quality. Usually, translating a question just leaves us with a crappy question. If not, go for it." CreationDate="2022-03-22T13:05:53.147" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12092" PostId="5918" Score="1" Text="What I am proposing, amid all the extra verbiage, is to not allow _other_ users to auto-translate. If the OP takes the trouble to auto-translate their post, we should by all means encourage them and help them in any way we can! I just don't want us to blindly dump something into Google Translate and hope for the best. That helps neither the site nor the OP, usually." CreationDate="2022-03-22T13:07:12.663" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12093" PostId="5918" Score="2" Text="On a more practical note, I speak 4 other languages well enough to be able to translate posts from them into English. I can honestly only remember _one case_ where a post was written in one of them and was worth translating and that was an answer. I have yet to see a single question that was posted in another language that was worth salvaging. I have seen _loads_ of questions posted by people with limited English who still made the (huge) effort to write in English or at least use an auto-translator. I have nothing but empathy and respect for such folks!" CreationDate="2022-03-22T13:10:47.560" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12094" PostId="5917" Score="0" Text="@terdon Oh I know. I speak no Chinese my in-laws speak no english. Automatic translation is our main way to communicate.  I certainly wouldn't speak against closing untranslated questions or reverting badly translated questions.  And machine translation should be discouraged.  I'm just concerned about the edge cases being taken too far.  Edge cases bing (1) the OP translating their own question and (2) people such as yourself offering a translation where the question is good enough otherwise." CreationDate="2022-03-22T13:13:55.433" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="12095" PostId="5918" Score="0" Text="Yeah I wouldn't encourage machine translation by anyone and would actively discourage it by anyone except the OP.  The results are far too unreliable and may be ultimately unfair on the OP.  The average machine translation is likely to result in a rapid -5." CreationDate="2022-03-22T13:17:38.257" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="12096" PostId="5918" Score="0" Text="&quot;_I just don't want us to blindly dump something into Google Translate and hope for the best._&quot; Me neither. But where that machine translation can be understood by the person doing it, and they are confident enough to tidy it up, then I don't see why that should be prohibited. (My workplace makes good use of machine translations as a first pass, but never as final output.)" CreationDate="2022-03-22T14:07:33.937" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="12097" PostId="5918" Score="0" Text="At AU a veteran user adviced me to put the translation *and* the original text on the post." CreationDate="2022-03-22T14:11:49.390" UserId="338177" />
  <row Id="12098" PostId="5918" Score="0" Text="@roaima yes indeed. If you can guarantee the quality of the translation, translate it! Or, well, translate if it is actually worth keeping and can help future users and yada yada. I just feel that using an automatic translator when you cannot also confirm that the question is well translated is more harmful than helpful. Basically what I added as a tl'dr on the top of my answer." CreationDate="2022-03-22T14:29:14.323" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12099" PostId="5917" Score="0" Text="@PhilipCouling agreed. I have clearly failed to express myself as well as I hoped here. I didn't mean to advocate against such edge cases at all." CreationDate="2022-03-22T14:30:29.200" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12100" PostId="5919" Score="3" Text="This... does a much better job of explaining what I basically want than I did. Thanks!" CreationDate="2022-03-22T14:32:02.410" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12102" PostId="5916" Score="2" Text="A case in point, perhaps? https://unix.stackexchange.com/q/696449/100397 The question translates really well and makes sense. The answer is challenging enough to be interesting to answer (at a guess it's `curl` with a `POST`). I would be confident that I could tidy up a machine translation of this question despite not knowing much of the source language" CreationDate="2022-03-22T22:30:09.277" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="12104" PostId="5916" Score="0" Text="Weirdly, that user has asked that question *in English* on ES.SO (and it's also cross-posted exactly and multiple times)." CreationDate="2022-03-22T23:25:13.657" UserId="73093" />
  <row Id="12105" PostId="5916" Score="1" Text="@roaima I would say a case in point, yes: the question is indeed clear and well written, but it is also entirely off topic. So although it _could_ be translated, we would still close as off topic as a pure web programming question,  _and_ as cross posted. So this is a good example of my point that non-English posts tend to have various issues since someone who doesn't realize they're using the wrong language will likely also not have noticed other problems. Such as the site's scope." CreationDate="2022-03-23T08:33:36.833" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12106" PostId="5916" Score="0" Text="Hi Terdon. At the time I posted my note it had been posted just the once. Now, I've already closed a duplicate on U&amp;L, and as MichaelHomer has also pointed out it's been multiply posted on es.SO and therefore a candidate for closure here for multiple-posting regardless. As to topicality, my takeaway was that it was marginally valid as they wanted a solution for using `curl`" CreationDate="2022-03-23T08:55:14.337" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="12107" PostId="5916" Score="0" Text="@roaima as far as I can tell (I don't really speak PHP although I do speak Spanish :P) it's about filling out a web form from php using some curl PHP library and not the actual `curl` command on a nix system. The OP just needs their php code to also work on Linux machines because it currently just works on Windows. You might be right though, if it can be done with `curl` instead. But can curl fill out a web form!?" CreationDate="2022-03-23T10:50:04.193" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12108" PostId="5916" Score="3" Text="&quot;_can curl fill out a web form&quot;_ - Yes!" CreationDate="2022-03-23T11:23:02.903" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="12109" PostId="5916" Score="0" Text="Damn, now I want to translate it to see your answer! I would still argue it's off topic because it's about using PHP's [curl](https://www.php.net/manual/en/book.curl.php), but I'm intrigued!" CreationDate="2022-03-23T11:27:56.120" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12110" PostId="646" Score="0" Text="[help] - [tour] - [chat]." CreationDate="2022-03-26T16:48:33.447" UserId="447031" />
  <row Id="12111" PostId="5917" Score="0" Text="Before I take the time to translate a question, I would not only make sure it's a *good* question, but also a question of *broad interest*. I don't want anybody to waste time on a good answer that is of no interest for anybody but the OP who maybe cannot understand it. (And btw, when using a tool to assist me in translating, I surely don't use Google translator, but https://www.deepl.com/translator)" CreationDate="2022-03-28T08:45:14.050" UserId="216004" />
  <row Id="12112" PostId="5458" Score="0" Text="@dotbit &quot;*why not throw in a few extra hours and improve the post yourselves?*&quot; That's the problem: Somebody did improve it by adding an explanation, but the author of the answer reverted it, *suppressing the post*." CreationDate="2022-03-28T09:05:57.457" UserId="216004" />
  <row Id="12113" PostId="5846" Score="0" Text="AWS extended its sponsorship to April 30. I've updated the post to reflect the new dates." CreationDate="2022-03-29T19:56:30.187" UserId="93139" />
  <row Id="12114" PostId="5876" Score="0" Text="What happened with this? It doesn't seem to be an option you can vote on anymore, it doesn't exist as a synonym, and there are no pending tag synonyms at this moment for the community. I'd like to look at this another way: what will be the downsides of including this synonym? The only one I could think of is if there was something else that stood for wsl. If you Google &quot;wsl,&quot; the first page refers to either &quot;wsl&quot; or &quot;World Surf League.&quot; Because of the former, in our domain, I think this acronym is ubiquitous." CreationDate="2022-04-01T17:07:46.187" UserId="101311" />
  <row Id="12115" PostId="5876" Score="1" Text="@DanielKaplan the [wsl synonym is currently at 3 votes](https://unix.stackexchange.com/tags/synonyms?filter=suggested); there's not a very long list of qualified voters, so if there's no objections (and I haven't seen any), I'd be willing to push this through." CreationDate="2022-04-01T17:10:24.040" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="12116" PostId="5876" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller do I not have enough permissions to see that? https://i.ibb.co/py8jRNP/image.png" CreationDate="2022-04-01T17:12:28.040" UserId="101311" />
  <row Id="12117" PostId="5876" Score="0" Text="Sorry; I wonder why! Try https://unix.stackexchange.com/tags/windows-subsystem-for-linux/synonyms instead? That's the one specifically for the &quot;wsl&quot; tag and shows the proposed synonym." CreationDate="2022-04-01T17:13:34.423" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="12118" PostId="5876" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller interesting. Could that be a site bug? I can see your latest link. My vote would be to push that through. Thanks." CreationDate="2022-04-01T17:14:50.427" UserId="101311" />
  <row Id="12119" PostId="5876" Score="0" Text="If I was to guess, it's got a reputation filter, perhaps at the 2500 &quot;create synonyms&quot; level. When I saw it posted by Stephen, I assumed (!) that it was wide open." CreationDate="2022-04-01T17:17:56.137" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="12121" PostId="5395" Score="1" Text="@ilkkachu Fun fact: Recently I posted an answer including an explanation, when Ed &quot;explanations-are-evil&quot; Morton asked for a more verbose explanation. My improved explanation got a thank-you comment by Ed and a third-party bounty. (-: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/696196/grep-or-awk-between-2-large-files-where-file1-is-a-pattern-file-and-file2-contai/696219#696219" CreationDate="2022-04-04T14:28:53.257" UserId="216004" />
  <row Id="12122" PostId="5916" Score="0" Text="Related: [Is translating posts using Google Translate acceptable?](https://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/19894/is-translating-posts-using-google-translate-acceptable) over on Ask Ubuntu Meta" CreationDate="2022-04-04T19:41:25.153" UserId="495409" />
  <row Id="12124" PostId="5395" Score="1" Text="@Philippos, mm-hmm. Yes, people can be confusing sometimes [in general, not just on SE]. I'm not sure I want to comment on this thread any more than that." CreationDate="2022-04-05T12:09:46.993" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="12125" PostId="5921" Score="1" Text="I think you get the badge if you simply have enough rep (which you do), based on https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4273/double-notfication-on-yearling-badge-is-this-a-bug-or-am-i-missing-something. I'm not sure why your main &amp; meta accounts got the badge on separate timelines, though." CreationDate="2022-04-06T22:34:44.167" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="12126" PostId="5921" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller Perhaps it is about the first visit on meta? Perhaps, I have clicked on it once. I got the Yearling batch on the main account right after reaching the 200, I think." CreationDate="2022-04-06T22:37:11.800" UserId="442338" />
  <row Id="12127" PostId="5917" Score="0" Text="@terdon *We expect users to put at least the minimal amount of effort into their questions.* By your words you have no issue on rejecting anything that doesn't fit your personal expectations, that's the opposite of **inclusive**. Language is a clear barrier, demanding that everyone use it leaves out 90% of the world population." CreationDate="2022-04-10T22:32:10.573" UserDisplayName="user232326" />
  <row Id="12128" PostId="3398" Score="0" Text="The Tumbleweed badge has been retired.  There is no longer a need to be happy or unhappy." CreationDate="2022-04-13T19:34:57.713" UserId="447031" />
  <row Id="12129" PostId="5924" Score="1" Text="Why would you say it was split from SO? If anything, it was split from SU, but it wasn't really &quot;split&quot; at all. Like all of the ~178 sites of the SE network, this site was created because a community of users wanted it. Other sites were not because there wasn't enough interest to create them. Also note that the vast majority of questions asked here are not on topic on SO. Only the scripting questions and some Linux API ones would be." CreationDate="2022-04-19T18:15:58.053" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12130" PostId="5924" Score="0" Text="I don't know the full history hence the question. Scripting and API ones are exactly the ones that interest me because they would have been on topic for SO." CreationDate="2022-04-19T21:06:05.020" UserId="162453" />
  <row Id="12131" PostId="5924" Score="2" Text="But there is always overlap between site scopes. Certainly in the technical ones: there are some things on topic on SF that could also be asked on SO, and some things on topic on SO that can be asked on SU. I can't think of any site that is 100% unique with no scope overlap. So I am having trouble understanding what answer you are looking for other than &quot;the U&amp;L site was created because enough people wanted it&quot;." CreationDate="2022-04-20T08:14:36.850" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12132" PostId="5924" Score="0" Text="I am looking for the original proposal and the discussion around what should or shouldn't be in scope for it." CreationDate="2022-04-20T08:27:39.087" UserId="162453" />
  <row Id="12133" PostId="5924" Score="1" Text="Ah. OK. Dunno if that's still around. Also, note that a lot of the discussions for scope happen after the site has been established in the first months (and years) right here on meta. See [questions tagged with scope](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/scope)." CreationDate="2022-04-20T08:36:44.630" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12134" PostId="5924" Score="1" Text="To chime in with the comment from @terdon (and sorry for wandering off-topic in the comments): The fact that sites' scope overlap with some topics, sometimes _many_ topics, means that you pick the site to ask on depending on _the audience you want for your question_. This is a more relevant distinction than asking whether a question is more on-topic here or there when the topic overlaps." CreationDate="2022-04-21T14:23:26.157" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="12135" PostId="5924" Score="0" Text="To put this in perspective I had issues with a mod on SO zapping my question as being about a linux API rather than programming. I think they're wrong but the meta community mostly disagreed with me. See https://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/417497/1569204" CreationDate="2022-04-21T15:33:04.160" UserId="162453" />
  <row Id="12136" PostId="5924" Score="0" Text="many technicals site in SO galaxy overlap each other, like AU (Ask ubuntu), rapsberry pi, AD (Ask Different), SF and SU who overlap with U&amp;L on unix question (e.g. use of `find` command, bringing up `eth0` ... ). You certainly can't find  for a given question a site that all will agree on." CreationDate="2022-04-25T12:37:06.657" UserId="79818" />
  <row Id="12137" PostId="5925" Score="1" Text="Closing the new as a duplicate would be fine, as the new answer remains visible, and linked to the old. A merge might also be appropriate, depending on the wording of the two questions." CreationDate="2022-04-25T16:32:37.123" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="12138" PostId="5927" Score="0" Text="You need a question to which the tag can be added. Please list some questions which are about VDOs, and please also explain why it needs a new tag and can't fit in existing tags." CreationDate="2022-04-26T15:06:39.540" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="12139" PostId="5927" Score="0" Text="What muru said. Are there actually any questions that need this tag? Also, yes, this is absolutely the right approach, and thank you!" CreationDate="2022-04-26T16:03:43.457" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12141" PostId="5846" Score="0" Text="AWS extended its sponsorship to June 30. I've updated the post to reflect the new dates." CreationDate="2022-04-29T12:59:06.203" UserId="456781" />
  <row Id="12147" PostId="5927" Score="0" Text="@terdon, [a search on the main site](https://unix.stackexchange.com/search?q=vdo) reveals a few candidates." CreationDate="2022-05-05T11:24:18.813" UserId="22565" />
  <row Id="12148" PostId="4998" Score="0" Text="I fear stack overflow the most. Other stack exchanges are chil" CreationDate="2022-05-13T05:06:40.430" UserId="417644" />
  <row Id="12156" PostId="5931" Score="7" Text="Or, you could just ask your own question. Your original user may never come back here again, or may have sidestepped his problem." CreationDate="2022-05-25T10:39:09.387" UserId="379287" />
  <row Id="12157" PostId="5932" Score="2" Text="Asking a brand new question also allows the new user to describe their issue in their own words, explaining the specific circumstances and context, etc., which may slightly differ from the original user's situation." CreationDate="2022-05-25T14:20:21.710" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="12158" PostId="5924" Score="0" Text="@BruceAdams SO is hostile and unwelcoming place. I stopped asking questions there, there's no point." CreationDate="2022-05-27T16:48:01.740" UserId="338177" />
  <row Id="12159" PostId="5932" Score="0" Text="Think I'll just take the query to a different forum, where questions can be asked, and answered." CreationDate="2022-05-29T10:15:04.250" UserId="523359" />
  <row Id="12160" PostId="5932" Score="1" Text="@hornetster If the question is on-topic here, you could ask it on the U&amp;L main site. This is what terdon was saying." CreationDate="2022-05-30T09:31:30.590" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="12161" PostId="5943" Score="2" Text="Also note that e.g. `perl` vs. Perl could depend on context." CreationDate="2022-05-31T12:53:21.603" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="12163" PostId="5944" Score="1" Text="Thanks! This is great and detailed, I will use it from now on as a general guide for editing. I will wait for other answers before accepting yours, but I think this is it." CreationDate="2022-06-01T12:35:33.923" UserId="338177" />
  <row Id="12164" PostId="5944" Score="1" Text="I like this; I feel like the first example could be made stronger with: *Run the above `sed &#xA; 's/foo/bar/g'` command once for each...*" CreationDate="2022-06-02T00:23:15.493" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="12165" PostId="5944" Score="1" Text="@JeffSchaller I did consider that, but I felt the question was more around how to handle formatting when the command name was standalone.  I'll add that as a separate example, though." CreationDate="2022-06-03T22:23:05.643" UserId="432493" />
  <row Id="12168" PostId="5948" Score="0" Text="I believe you get notified on any comment thread you contribute to, regardless of @" CreationDate="2022-06-05T07:50:27.377" UserId="40482" />
  <row Id="12169" PostId="5948" Score="0" Text="Might be true, but in one comment thread, OP accidentally used &quot;@Prince&quot; (who-ever he is!) &amp; I was still NOT notified. In other comment threads, I was never notified, till now." CreationDate="2022-06-05T08:00:47.080" UserId="54246" />
  <row Id="12171" PostId="5917" Score="0" Text="I use Google translate to first, detect Q's language, then use Google translate to put &quot;This is an English only website. Please ask your question in English, and use `LANG=C` in all examples to produce error messages in English. `https://translate.google.com` may be of use.&quot; into Q's language. I check for translation garble, especially in code." CreationDate="2022-06-12T18:17:02.480" UserId="11135" />
  <row Id="12172" PostId="5954" Score="0" Text="I really don't think it's a problem to post a comment asking whether someone ever found an answer to their question. Stack Exchange definitely prefers that that answers be posted if they are found. There are even mechanisms to &quot;bump&quot; older questions without upvoted or accepted answers.  A comment to that effect is really the same process, but &quot;manually&quot; (and only notifies the OP). As you said, we might expect that someone would post the answer to their own question if they found it (it could even be considered &quot;proper etiquette&quot;), but they may not remember to once they've &quot;moved on&quot;." CreationDate="2022-06-16T15:00:06.867" UserId="432493" />
  <row Id="12173" PostId="5954" Score="0" Text="However, realize that (a) new users here are restricted from posting comments on other posts until they reach 20 rep, (b) only the OP will typically be notified of a comment, (c) unless you @tag a user that wasn't the OP, (d) it can *sometimes* be months or longer before someone returns to the site after they post.  You can get some idea of how long it has been by looking at their profile.  But I do agree that comments are often not going to be a way to get a fast (or sometimes any) response." CreationDate="2022-06-16T15:00:11.250" UserId="432493" />
  <row Id="12174" PostId="5846" Score="0" Text="AWS extended its sponsorship to the end of the year. I've updated the post to reflect the new dates." CreationDate="2022-06-22T13:55:44.503" UserId="456781" />
  <row Id="12178" PostId="5689" Score="0" Text="@thanasisp I undeleted this and the other Meta Q you had deleted since they are useful discussions and it's a shame to remove them." CreationDate="2022-06-24T13:24:25.813" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12183" PostId="5957" Score="9" Text="It might be worth improving the edits to use `example.com` (or `.org` or whatever), see [this example](https://unix.stackexchange.com/posts/17468/revisions). `.example` isn’t a valid TLD but `example.{com,net,org,edu}` are explicitly reserved as example domains." CreationDate="2022-06-24T14:45:39.260" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="12184" PostId="5957" Score="0" Text="@StephenKitt yes, exactly. That's what I meant here: &quot;*Changing foo.com to example.com might make sense, but I feel that changing foo.com to foo.example is just confusing.*&quot;" CreationDate="2022-06-24T14:52:32.060" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12185" PostId="5957" Score="2" Text="Right, I was thinking of your suggestion to “just undo the `.com` =&gt; `.example` change”. I’m also not sure that all that many people are aware of the special status of `example.com` &amp; co nowadays..." CreationDate="2022-06-24T14:55:06.193" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="12189" PostId="5958" Score="1" Text="Thanks for chiming in! Can you explain why `siteA.example` or `myhost.example` are clearer than `siteA.com` or `myhost.net`? Since `foo.example` just doesn't look like a TLD as we're not used to seeing such long ones in the wild, even if there is an RFC recommending them, it seems like the recommendation would only make sense when writing for experts not the general public." CreationDate="2022-06-26T10:24:01.323" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12190" PostId="5958" Score="3" Text="Sure, I've added info about that case.  Using an example domain on `.com` that isn't `example.com` is a bad thing to to." CreationDate="2022-06-26T10:34:16.190" UserId="31848" />
  <row Id="12192" PostId="5959" Score="3" Text="Does this answer your question? [But Linux is a Kernel!](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4194/but-linux-is-a-kernel)" CreationDate="2022-06-26T12:53:39.120" UserId="196468" />
  <row Id="12193" PostId="5959" Score="3" Text="This site is for questions about any aspect of using or administrating Unix and Unix-like systems. We welcome questions about installing Linux kernel drivers, about NetBSD package installation issues, and about peculiarities in commercial Unix systems such as AIX, Solaris and macOS.  We also consider the odd GNU tool question on account of these being popular, even though these arguably &quot;are not Unix&quot;." CreationDate="2022-06-26T12:54:19.847" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="12194" PostId="5960" Score="4" Text="In formal speech or writing, I'll use &quot;GNU/Linux&quot; because it's both correct and polite.  Informally, I mostly just use &quot;Linux&quot;.   The &quot;controversy&quot; hasn't been an issue for anyone for well over 20 years (and wasn't that big a deal at the time, anyway), except for a handful of easily triggered Macho-Libertarian broflake types (&quot;You can't tell me what to say or how to say it!!!!!&quot;) and the trolls that enjoy triggering them." CreationDate="2022-06-26T13:45:41.547" UserId="7696" />
  <row Id="12195" PostId="5961" Score="0" Text="I think it would be more accurate to say &quot;GPL licensed&quot; rather than &quot;GNU licensed&quot;." CreationDate="2022-06-26T14:18:38.343" UserId="432493" />
  <row Id="12196" PostId="5961" Score="1" Text="You are confusing a few things here. There is no &quot;GNU licence&quot;, I think you are thinking of the various GNU Public Licences (GPL) and whether or not software is released under the GPL has absolutely nothing to do with whether the FSF (I am guessing that's what you mean by &quot;GNU&quot; since GNU is a collection of tools and not a legal entity) holds the copyright. GPL licensed software simply means their author chose to release the software under the GPL licence." CreationDate="2022-06-26T14:39:00.243" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12197" PostId="5961" Score="0" Text="@terdon: You are correct.  I will rephrase.  This is actually the fundamental problem.  GPL != GNU, and while a lot of the tools are GNU, even more of them are not." CreationDate="2022-06-26T15:42:10.867" UserId="447908" />
  <row Id="12198" PostId="5961" Score="0" Text="Thanks, I replaced GNU with FSF where you talk about copyright since GNU isn't a thing that can hold copyright, it is a collection of tools. I also removed _pretentious_ in an attempt to tone this down a bit. It would be great if you could remove the rest of the opinion from your answer though since this isn't the place for it, but that's your call." CreationDate="2022-06-26T15:47:12.620" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12199" PostId="5961" Score="0" Text="Good edit.  I think it's a good balance between semantic accuracy and it being a huge mouthful.  It's RMS's opinion that he should get credit when less than 1/3 of the code (and probably less than 1/6 now) is owned by FSF, so there's no avoiding opinion here.  FSF isn't even the largest code owner in linux, and never was." CreationDate="2022-06-26T15:49:10.447" UserId="447908" />
  <row Id="12200" PostId="5961" Score="0" Text="pretentious: attempting to impress by affecting greater importance than is actually possessed.  I think this is exactly right.  But I'll not put it back." CreationDate="2022-06-26T15:57:48.000" UserId="447908" />
  <row Id="12201" PostId="5958" Score="0" Text="Wow, I’d completely missed the `.example` reference in RFC 2606! Thanks for taking the time to write this up (and to edit the posts). I was under the impression that the `rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;` applied to links on SE was sufficient to negate SEO benefits, but I guess that’s not the case, right?" CreationDate="2022-06-27T10:10:30.290" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="12202" PostId="5958" Score="2" Text="`nofollow` helps, BUT: 1. Stack Exchange doesn't apply `nofollow` if the post scores high enough  2. Google announced that it doesn't always honor nofollow anymore (it will use it as a hint)  3. `nofollow` only applies to links, not to mentions.  There is a strong suspicion that mentions are important to Google's algorithm, it isn't just links that matter." CreationDate="2022-06-27T10:52:52.743" UserId="31848" />
  <row Id="12203" PostId="5957" Score="0" Text="*&quot;Finally, I also want to point out that it does look like this user is honestly trying to help&quot;*. As the user is [a veteran in stackexchange and a moderator](https://webmasters.stackexchange.com/users/14543/stephen-ostermiller), I would change that part, adding a link to [their answer below](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/a/5958/338177), where they explain why such edits. As it is an important edit to this answer I'm just suggesting, not editing myself, but if it's OK I can do it." CreationDate="2022-06-27T15:31:57.053" UserId="338177" />
  <row Id="12204" PostId="5957" Score="0" Text="Fair enough, @schrodingerscatcuriosity. When I wrote that, I hadn't realized the user was an old hand on SE and I just didn't want them to feel attacked. That's why I added that note, to clarify that edits are welcome and the user is being helpful." CreationDate="2022-06-27T16:12:27.117" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12205" PostId="5958" Score="0" Text="Sigh. I've been a mod for 8 years almost to the day and I'd never seen that `/blocklist` page you linked to! I will console myself with the fact that you've been a mod for a year longer and that's why you know it :P." CreationDate="2022-06-27T16:16:28.350" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12206" PostId="5958" Score="0" Text="@terdon It's listed in the &quot;links&quot; section of the mod dashboard, but since the moderators can't actually make any changes to the blocklist, it is an information-only page and not one that you would typically need to know about." CreationDate="2022-06-27T16:49:12.170" UserId="31848" />
  <row Id="12207" PostId="5964" Score="1" Text="I was hoping it might be possible to add it in, say, the right sidebar, the one labelled &quot;Helpful links&quot; and/or in the https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/how-to-ask page, but I don't know if either of those are customisable by U&amp;L or not." CreationDate="2022-07-01T02:05:48.613" UserId="7696" />
  <row Id="12215" PostId="5689" Score="0" Text="@terdon I guess there is no shame when you are removing my comments for no reason." CreationDate="2022-07-06T13:15:49.087" UserId="216907" />
  <row Id="12216" PostId="5689" Score="0" Text="Sorry, what? Yes, comments can and are regularly deleted without warning, that's normal on all of SE, but there is only one deleted comment on this post and that was deleted by you @thanasisp. If you are referring to my undeletion of this post, I did so because it is useful and I didn't want to lose it. Next time someone has a similar request, we can point them to this post and not need to have the same discussion again." CreationDate="2022-07-06T13:35:08.060" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12217" PostId="5689" Score="0" Text="@terdon, of course, I don't mean this meta post. I mean useful in-topic comments I had written on a Linux post, and they were removed by the moderators of this place. Also it seems a notice was never sent to a person violating the code of conduct of UL. It's a shame the moderators do nothing for these cases. Also it's a shame you are removing useful technical comments, just to prevent future readers from understanding that someone wrote an answer that doesn't answer the question asked." CreationDate="2022-07-06T13:57:09.733" UserId="216907" />
  <row Id="12218" PostId="5689" Score="0" Text="@thanasisp yes, comments will always be removed without warning. They should either be made edits to the answer/question or removed. There are exceptions, of course, but comments are [ephemeral by design](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/130990/203101). As for whether someone was notified of an infraction or not, I'm afraid that is never public information so I don't see how you would expect to know one way or another. Finally, &quot;useful&quot; is a judgment call. There is a point where the useful technical discussion just becomes a fight and that is no longer useful." CreationDate="2022-07-06T15:14:27.123" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12219" PostId="5689" Score="0" Text="@terdon, a comment saying &quot;OP asks for the A requirement, so if you use B, you will get an output different than the required one&quot; is not a part of a fight. It is a helpful comment for someone t improve their answer. A part of a fight is a comment containing estimations and opinions for other persons, for their personalities, for their lives, and not for the linux questions." CreationDate="2022-07-06T17:04:26.847" UserId="216907" />
  <row Id="12220" PostId="5689" Score="0" Text="For example, if you write to me: &quot;You modify 2 files but the question asks for 1 file&quot; and I answer to you &quot;Don't spam me. You are strange. I 'm not interested.&quot; Then **1.** Your comment is not a part of a fight. It should not be removed. **2.** My comment is aggressive. You have to delete it. **3.** Probably I am exactly what I am writing you are, I have no arguments to support my opinion, and I am trying to insult someone and get out. Hopefully my example above is clear." CreationDate="2022-07-06T17:07:15.260" UserId="216907" />
  <row Id="12221" PostId="5689" Score="0" Text="I would like to know the reason (in details) for the comments removal (no longer needed?  unfriendly/unkind? something else?) and if this is not for public discussion, I would like to be notified privately. Thank you." CreationDate="2022-07-06T17:10:19.730" UserId="216907" />
  <row Id="12222" PostId="5689" Score="0" Text="@thanasisp no reason is ever needed to delete comments, you only need a reason to _keep_ them. I am guessing what comments you are referring to and, frankly, those were not really useful. If you express your disagreement with an answer and the answer's author ignores them, then you downvote and move on. Voting is the way to show issues with an answer, not comments, just voting and, even better, posting your own, more correct answer." CreationDate="2022-07-06T17:15:02.890" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12224" PostId="5919" Score="0" Text="*They are usually bad English and very unreliable* - you're very very very out of date in regard to machine translation. Must have never used deepl.com either. Oh, and I'm a vandal as I've translated a couple of questions on SE this way. Also you seem to be under the impression that everyone must speak English to at least some capacity or never ask any questions - how on Earth they are supposed to know this website **requires** questions to be asked in English when this website doesn't have 2000 translations into local languages to ask for it? I'm not so certain about your rationale." CreationDate="2022-07-07T23:29:19.540" UserId="260833" />
  <row Id="12225" PostId="5919" Score="0" Text="@ArtemS.Tashkinov I use it daily to speak to my family (in-law) and I'm always trying to find better tools.  I doubt my knowledge is not out of date.  The commonly available tools still make tragic mistakes.  Worse, the newer model of translation uses excerpts from existing sources.  This means that mistranslations are often very well formed and **believable**.  If you don't speak the language you're translating from, there's no way to spot the mistakes." CreationDate="2022-07-08T07:31:30.217" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="12226" PostId="5919" Score="0" Text="We are not talking about subtleties of translation here, no one comes to SE to ask question using refined language features, people normally come with applied problems. Again, you've not tried e.g. deepl.com and you dismiss it with prejudice. I've used it hundreds of times, in over 98% of cases its translation was just perfect." CreationDate="2022-07-08T07:52:52.127" UserId="260833" />
  <row Id="12227" PostId="5919" Score="0" Text="@ArtemS.Tashkinov I am not talking about subtle mistakes. It's an issue with genuinely stupidly wrong translation that is, at the same time, believable." CreationDate="2022-07-08T07:57:31.313" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="12228" PostId="5961" Score="0" Text="I think this answer misses the point, thus scored more downvotes.  There's a long history behind why the OS we all know and love &quot;should have&quot; always been named after GNU rather than Linux and it's not because of the licensing arrangement.  It's because much of the codebase for the userspace programs is from GNU.  Example &quot;glibc&quot; is the defacto C library even though there are many others." CreationDate="2022-07-12T12:27:31.700" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="12229" PostId="5960" Score="0" Text="I'd personally avoid using the term GNU/Linux unless I'm knowingly talking about predominantly GNU features.  I know many distributions are GNU heavy, so it's not wrong to give deference to GNU.  But as years go by, I'm seeing more systems using less GNU.  I'm persinally seeing a rise of ZSH over Bash.  I'd be curious to know how much GNU code exists in a typical Alpine linux install - using musl libc and busybox." CreationDate="2022-07-12T12:42:05.023" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="12230" PostId="5958" Score="0" Text="IANA reserves `example.com` and `example.org`.  Is that not sufficient for domain matching examples?  https://www.iana.org/domains/reserved" CreationDate="2022-07-12T15:44:39.193" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="12231" PostId="5957" Score="0" Text="I can definitely see a value in changing valid domains to IANA reserved domains.  Especially where it is clear a domain is genuinely valid but the OP didn't realise so...  Here I refer to test dot com who had a moan on their page &quot;We not being responsible for spam email&quot;.  I can't seem to access the domain right now so maybe the self-inflicted groupthink DDOS attack has finally taken them down.  As self inflicted as it may be, someone does actually own foo dot com!  I will therefore always edit that one to `example.com`." CreationDate="2022-07-12T15:53:08.167" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="12232" PostId="5958" Score="0" Text="@PhilipCouling The RFCs from the IANA there also list the entire `.example` TLD.  There are plenty of posts that need more nuance than `example.com` and `example.org` can provide. `client.example` and `server.example`; or `mysite.example` vs `othersite.example`; also cases which need to compare three or more different example domains." CreationDate="2022-07-12T16:39:50.323" UserId="31848" />
  <row Id="12233" PostId="5958" Score="0" Text="@StephenOstermiller You may not be wrong.  I've personally not come across a case where this was not an obviously fixable issue with subdomains `foo.example.com` `bar.example.org` `bob.example.org`.  But hey, I can't speak for the examples you've seen.  I certainly wouldn't reject an edit that changes foo dot com to `foo.example` just because one of them has publicly available DNS records pointing to a HTTP server and the other is IANA reserved." CreationDate="2022-07-12T17:25:42.250" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="12234" PostId="5958" Score="0" Text="Subdomains work sometimes too, but there are certainly issues with cookies and CORS that work differently with subdomains. That may come up less on Unix and Linux than on other stacks like Webmasters where I'm more active." CreationDate="2022-07-12T17:56:13.383" UserId="31848" />
  <row Id="12236" PostId="5958" Score="1" Text="Browsers treat domains and subdomains differently in terms permissions. They have a list of what levels you're allowed to register and make security decisions at that level. So for example a subdomain can read cookies of the main domain but two separate domains can't read each other's cookies." CreationDate="2022-07-12T21:42:31.900" UserId="31848" />
  <row Id="12238" PostId="5961" Score="0" Text="I'll not repeat what I said in my answer beyond this -- GNU is not and was not ever responsible for either the majority or even the biggest piece of the linux OS including what is outside the kernel." CreationDate="2022-07-12T21:52:54.797" UserId="447908" />
  <row Id="12239" PostId="5958" Score="0" Text="@StephenOstermiller purely from a point of curiosity...  The hierarchy rule makes sense. Under what context might the rule apply laterally.  Can one subdomain read another subdomain's cookies?" CreationDate="2022-07-13T10:07:15.940" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="12240" PostId="5958" Score="0" Text="Subdomains have the option of setting a cookie at the domain level where it can be read by other subdomains, but they also have the option of limiting the cookie scope to just the subdomain. URL paths have similar cookie functionality.  You can set a cookie to apply to the whole domain or just to sub-directories of the current path." CreationDate="2022-07-13T13:03:18.310" UserId="31848" />
  <row Id="12241" PostId="5966" Score="1" Text="SE has lots of mechanisms; one of them is a Community bump of old unanswered questions. That doesn't seem to have happened here. Rather, someone attempted to answer an unanswered question. That's fairly normal, and I'm wondering why you think the mods (surely not the *moderators* but maybe the [community moderators](https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/privileges?tab=moderation)?) should do about new questions on old answers?  They show up in the active question view and can be voted on as normal." CreationDate="2022-07-21T19:53:04.730" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="12242" PostId="5966" Score="0" Text="Yes, I mean &quot;community moderators&quot;. I think they should vote, if the question should be rersurrected/shown to everyone, if anyone gives an insignificant answer (for them to decide) to an old question." CreationDate="2022-07-21T19:56:10.200" UserId="530729" />
  <row Id="12243" PostId="5966" Score="0" Text="Btw, how likely is it, that someone without activity for 12 months accepts an answer to one of his questions? Maybe the activity of the questioner should be generally considered before allowing to bump a question." CreationDate="2022-07-21T20:12:11.217" UserId="530729" />
  <row Id="12244" PostId="5966" Score="3" Text="The fact that the post was reopened is possibly a sign that more people than the original user are interested in it. Answering such a question would benefit others no matter whether the original user saw the answer or not. Or are you worried about not having your answer accepted?  An accepted answer is worth 1.5 times an upvote, so go for the upvotes I'd say, if reputation points are what you're fishing for.  Also, note that a &quot;vote&quot; by a moderator is never an actual _vote_ but direct action." CreationDate="2022-07-21T20:22:49.723" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="12245" PostId="5966" Score="0" Text="Won't it be bumped again and again for all eternity, if the OP never accepts an answer? And I meant that there should be &quot;real votes&quot; among &quot;community moderators&quot; about certain actions, IMHO." CreationDate="2022-07-21T20:26:41.940" UserId="530729" />
  <row Id="12246" PostId="5966" Score="2" Text="A question, whether accepted or not, is bumped whenever someone edits it, answers it, or edits one of the answers. Nothing stops anyone from answering questions that already have accepted answers (or editing the question or any of its answers).  Nothing stops anyone from doing the same to questions that have no accepted answers and have been dormant for 10 years.  I don't see an issue with this that can't be solved thought the existing system of peer review." CreationDate="2022-07-21T20:33:38.663" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="12247" PostId="5966" Score="2" Text="(Since this comes up a lot here on Meta) - Keep in mind that downvotes on your Meta question here don't mean that it isn't a worthwhile question - Just that those that downvote disagree, and those that upvote agree." CreationDate="2022-07-21T20:35:40.090" UserId="432493" />
  <row Id="12248" PostId="5966" Score="0" Text="No need to mention something like that, lol. I don't really care about being downvoted for my opinions, btw." CreationDate="2022-07-21T20:37:09.293" UserId="530729" />
  <row Id="12249" PostId="5966" Score="0" Text="If this comes up a lot, maybe there is some truth to it, btw. I guess people just hate answering questions and realizing it was just some old corpse of a question, no one (but the algorithm or some clueless new user) really cares about." CreationDate="2022-07-21T20:38:29.993" UserId="530729" />
  <row Id="12250" PostId="5966" Score="1" Text="I misunderstood what you meant by &quot;bumped again and again for all eternity&quot;. You mean the automatic bumping. Yes, it would be bumped for all eternity, just like the many hundreds or thousands of other questions in the same situation. Do you find this annoying? I believe that the bumping is done somewhat intelligently." CreationDate="2022-07-21T20:42:00.817" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="12251" PostId="5966" Score="0" Text="If I had realized that the question is so old, I wouldn't have answered it. I mean, I could have checked when the question was asked by scrolling down to the &quot;asked Jul 22, 2021 at 6:23&quot; text. So it's my fault, in a way. All I'm saying is, that it's not obvious that a question is an old question." CreationDate="2022-07-21T20:48:47.670" UserId="530729" />
  <row Id="12252" PostId="5967" Score="0" Text="Yeah, you're right. But it's not very obvious, that a question is of old age - you only see that, if you're actively looking for it, it seems." CreationDate="2022-07-21T20:52:27.083" UserId="530729" />
  <row Id="12253" PostId="5966" Score="2" Text="Um, a question from 2021 is IMHO not that old. It's not uncommon that I'm answering questions that are far older than that. If you know the answer to a question, why not provided it?" CreationDate="2022-07-21T20:59:50.040" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="12254" PostId="5966" Score="0" Text="If an old question shows up under https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions?tab=Active (and, if you realize it's an old one by actively checking when it was asked), do you feel inclined to answer it? I mean, Stackexchange tricks you into doing that, but it doesn't feel very good, because human beings want some kind of interaction, and this interaction won't happen." CreationDate="2022-07-21T21:09:46.777" UserId="530729" />
  <row Id="12255" PostId="5966" Score="2" Text="I'll answer any question regardless of age or whether it's been accepted, if it's interesting, if I know the answer, and if a similar answer has not already been given. I don't really see why the question needs to be &quot;fresh&quot;." CreationDate="2022-07-21T21:12:31.223" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="12256" PostId="5967" Score="1" Text="@anick True - But in case you aren't aware of it, I've added info on *Custom Filters* to help with this." CreationDate="2022-07-21T21:13:23.970" UserId="432493" />
  <row Id="12258" PostId="5966" Score="0" Text="You have a point. It's just that most people want some feedback on their input. And I count myself among those people." CreationDate="2022-07-21T21:21:31.857" UserId="530729" />
  <row Id="12259" PostId="5967" Score="0" Text="This filter should be the default :P" CreationDate="2022-07-21T21:26:08.497" UserId="530729" />
  <row Id="12260" PostId="5966" Score="1" Text="@anick You'll often still get feedback when answering old questions, in the form of upvotes from other users (and comments).  It just may not be quite as immediate.  My highest-voted [answer](https://stackoverflow.com/a/69407064/11810933) on Stack Overflow actually came almost a year after the question was asked." CreationDate="2022-07-21T21:28:12.393" UserId="432493" />
  <row Id="12261" PostId="5967" Score="0" Text="@anick Ironically, I just changed all of mine (on Stack Overflow, Unix &amp; Linux, Super User, and Ask Ubuntu) to show &quot;Recent Activity&quot;.  It's really a personal style choice -- As a heavy user (in the top 0.2% of rep so far this year on all those sites but this one, where I'm 2%), I like to see when there's been new activity in the tags I follow.  It could mean (a) new information that wasn't originally available, (b) all too often, a duplicate or bad answer (or NAA/Comment) from a new user, (c) sometimes a gold nugget of info that teaches me something entirely new." CreationDate="2022-07-21T21:32:31.440" UserId="432493" />
  <row Id="12262" PostId="5966" Score="0" Text="Well, good for you. Let's see, if there will be any feedback on my answer :)" CreationDate="2022-07-21T21:33:54.460" UserId="530729" />
  <row Id="12263" PostId="5967" Score="0" Text="Yeah, well, I guess you would benefit from a way to filter out/bypass (b)." CreationDate="2022-07-21T21:37:53.547" UserId="530729" />
  <row Id="12264" PostId="5966" Score="0" Text="IMHO, the solution is very simple. Just prominently show that an answer is of old age. There is no need to decieve your users (and it never pays off; it just pisses them off). Just a general advice." CreationDate="2022-07-21T21:52:17.697" UserId="530729" />
  <row Id="12265" PostId="5967" Score="2" Text="I don’t think a filter is even necessary for this, just bookmark https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions?tab=Newest" CreationDate="2022-07-22T12:26:27.737" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="12266" PostId="5968" Score="2" Text="This sort of thing would probably be better posted on the [main meta](https://meta.stackexchange.com). However, I think you only see this because you're an SE user and if you were not, the link from google would take you straight to the final dupe target. Try it in an incognito tab. That said, I'm also not 100% sure I understand you. Can you give some specific examples? What do you see in your search results, where does clicking on it take you and where would you want it to take you instead?" CreationDate="2022-07-22T17:21:29.213" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12267" PostId="5968" Score="0" Text="@terdon : My first point is that if google points me to some SE thread being closed, the first thing I see is a big blue div informing that the question is marked duplicate. I'll then immediately click on the link to the duplicated thread (not scrolling down to read more precisely) If I am not entirely satisfied by the answers, I will eventually come back on the first thread (closed duplicate) and discover a much more recent &amp; detailed &amp; credited answer. Easily avoidable loss of time." CreationDate="2022-07-23T10:29:57.407" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="12268" PostId="5968" Score="0" Text="@terdon : This point also relates to the fact that **questions** are often closed duplicate irrespective of the relative value of the answers offered in both threads. Only because at a given date, the question has already been asked and has already received an answer. But the googler just minds about **answers** ! And it can happen that answers do get a much higher value in the closed-duplicate thread than in the original one. =&gt; What about removing the closed-duplicate status after a certain time when at least one answer gets higher credits than any of those of the other thread." CreationDate="2022-07-23T10:50:07.570" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="12269" PostId="5970" Score="2" Text="That's a normal bump from the Community user because that question doesn't have an upvoted or accepted answer." CreationDate="2022-07-24T11:24:48.050" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="12270" PostId="5970" Score="1" Text="Maybe you would prefer the Hot, Week, or Month sun-tabs instead of the Active one?" CreationDate="2022-07-24T11:28:34.940" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="12271" PostId="5970" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller : &lt;trolling&gt;One should suggest the so called &quot;Community user&quot; to offer a bounty then. :-P &lt;/trolling&gt; Anyway ! Thanks for your suggestion of preferring Week / Month lists. I had not tested and it just indeed solves this problem of disgraceful bumps." CreationDate="2022-07-24T11:38:29.957" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="12272" PostId="5970" Score="1" Text="Sorry you see the bumps as disgraceful; because it's not apparent in the U&amp;L Help Center, here's the Meta.SE FAQ about bumps: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/48578/what-can-cause-a-question-to-be-bumped" CreationDate="2022-07-24T14:02:50.440" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="12273" PostId="5970" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller : Thanks for the link… as part of which I can read that SE sites get some control over the rate &quot;*The maximum number of unanswered questions bumped per hour depends on the site*&quot; Since yes! bumps are disgraceful whoever initiates them and since I can hardly  find that these bumps actually trigger new activity from &quot;real-honest&quot; users, if you get access to objective statistics confirming that, you could probably decide to lower their frequency." CreationDate="2022-07-24T15:43:02.147" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="12274" PostId="5970" Score="1" Text="&quot;disgraceful&quot;!? Wow. Don't you think you might be overreacting a little? This is a standard mechanism that ensures old questions are not forgotten and can still be answered. I really don't understand why you find this bothersome, let alone why you would go so far as to call it &quot;disgraceful&quot;. All it does is help get eyes on old questions so they have a chance of being answered. Why do you use the &quot;Home&quot; view if you don't like this so much? Just go to the &quot;Questions&quot; link on the left side bar instead of &quot;Home&quot; to see questions by date posted." CreationDate="2022-07-25T08:18:16.807" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12275" PostId="5971" Score="0" Text="Thanks a lot Jeff (and of course +1) for sharing this objective view. (&lt;trolling&gt;which, as part of the *voted after bumped* does not isolate the downvotes performed  in order to reduce the chances of questions to get bumped again… :-P &lt;/trolling&gt;) Anyway, My intention was not to challenge your choices (since you actually offered alternative methods to view site's active Q&amp;As) At most would I go on ranting regarding the &quot;*modified*&quot; word regarding the &quot;Community user&quot;'s that did not actually *modified* anything (valuable)" CreationDate="2022-07-26T11:56:31.703" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="12276" PostId="5971" Score="1" Text="Happy to share; hopefully the SEDE query is representative! I didn't write it :)  I mainly wanted to share information on how SE works; it was built before I got here, and I'm constantly learning (and re-learning!) how it works. Seeing &quot;modified&quot; without a change is surprising... until you learn what's going on. It would make more sense if that bump said something different, like &quot;bumped 3 minutes ago&quot;, but I *suspect* there's a list of options for that text that is: &quot;$user - $rep - (asked | answered | modified) - $time ago&quot; and &quot;modified&quot; was the best choice of those." CreationDate="2022-07-26T12:05:33.193" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="12277" PostId="5971" Score="0" Text="@terdon : No hardfeeling &amp; without any disrespect : /modified/s//usurped modified/ in my comment above. ;-)" CreationDate="2022-07-26T12:06:47.083" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="12278" PostId="5971" Score="0" Text="Note that there *are* instances of modified posts where you won’t see any activity (unless you happened to have the post already open); for example, if an answer is deleted, or if a comment is added and then deleted." CreationDate="2022-07-27T21:16:23.620" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="12280" PostId="4609" Score="0" Text="And the end result of all of this was there is no tag for `xattr`, and there is no tag for `extended-attributes`? Wow," CreationDate="2022-07-28T18:22:55.243" UserId="286615" />
  <row Id="12281" PostId="5974" Score="0" Text="If it was me, I'd try starting the bounty process and see what it listed as the minimum (and then cancel out)." CreationDate="2022-07-31T15:46:43.343" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="12282" PostId="5974" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller : Being asserted that I do appreciate your valuable contributation here and around… Could I say… Hmmm… would I share the same amount of confidence as you do on the software running… not to say, as you, 20 times the amount I can afford… I would follow you ! Indeed ! risking 2x500 ! ;-P" CreationDate="2022-07-31T16:04:32.773" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="12283" PostId="5975" Score="1" Text="Thanks @muru : As for the second question, I acknowledge that I had not a correct understanding of offering a bounty **in order to reward an existing answer**. I realize that despite offering a bounty in order to reward an existing **answer**, you still offer a bounty… on the **question**." CreationDate="2022-07-31T16:33:21.503" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="12284" PostId="5974" Score="0" Text="Good point! I switch between trusting software and distrusting software :) it's also been a while since I offered a bounty, and can't spend time to search Meta at the moment. Glad you got an answer!" CreationDate="2022-07-31T16:41:56.543" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="12285" PostId="5974" Score="0" Text="About your feature request: the requirement of doubling the minimum spend when offering subsequent bounties on the same question was added with the aim of [preventing abuse](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/105639/410681), adding an exception for a specific bounty reason would defeat that." CreationDate="2022-07-31T21:15:52.917" UserId="315749" />
  <row Id="12286" PostId="5974" Score="0" Text="Thanks @fra-san for your valuable contribution, I updated my question." CreationDate="2022-07-31T22:35:47.700" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="12287" PostId="5669" Score="0" Text="Firstly I appreciate all the responses here which have been professional and courteous; I thank everyone for the education and apologise for the use of time over a trivial matter.  Many of my statements were flawed and blinded and I accept responsibility for this.  Please forgive my ignorance." CreationDate="2022-08-01T05:18:53.910" UserId="439154" />
  <row Id="12288" PostId="5669" Score="0" Text="Michael Homer, thank you for identifying my problem with the buttons.  It was a client-side Javascript issue.  Because I was able to edit posts I did not suspect it to be the cause of the problems.   The Javascript on my browser showed limitations with other websites.  It was not until I tested the the buttons on a new system that I confirmed the problem." CreationDate="2022-08-01T05:19:19.543" UserId="439154" />
  <row Id="12289" PostId="5669" Score="0" Text="Michael Homer, again, you are correct that I was not testing with POSIX `read` on my machine.  My mistake." CreationDate="2022-08-01T05:19:36.797" UserId="439154" />
  <row Id="12290" PostId="5669" Score="0" Text="terdon, thank you for the thorough answer and the  POSIX `read` specification.  Now I see where I went wrong.  In future I will pay greater heed to my test environment.  The phrase &quot;was probably upvoted by Stephen Kitt&quot; was not quite an assumption but a calculated guess.  There was only one vote that day and it seemed to coincide with Stephen Kitt's comment.  But yes, it should not have been made." CreationDate="2022-08-01T05:19:48.313" UserId="439154" />
  <row Id="12291" PostId="5669" Score="0" Text="My apologies to muru and Stephen Kitt for some of the ignorant and subjective statements.  There was no technical or ethical fault on your part." CreationDate="2022-08-01T05:19:57.877" UserId="439154" />
  <row Id="12292" PostId="5669" Score="0" Text="terdon, yes, I was logged in when attempting to perform the delete and comments, as my login symbol was visible in the top right of the header.  If new users are permitted to comment, delete, upvote, downvote etc on their own zero-rated posts, then my case was isolated." CreationDate="2022-08-01T05:20:13.300" UserId="439154" />
  <row Id="12293" PostId="5669" Score="0" Text="- Stephen Kitt, yes, I was not using POSIX `read`.  Though I cannot see the first-posts nor the late-answers queues because I &quot;need at least 500 reputation&quot;, I can see how you found my answer.  I did read the question, answers and even the links in the question.  I admit that my answer had no added benefit.  My purpose for navigating to that question was initially to contact muru by editing his answer.  Things became entangled when I created my own answer which was basically a duplicate of the other answers.  When I couldn't delete that answer I attempted vainly to improve it." CreationDate="2022-08-01T05:21:48.963" UserId="439154" />
  <row Id="12294" PostId="5669" Score="0" Text="Kusalananda, I incorrectly assumed Stephen Kitt was a moderator because he found out very quickly that I edited my post.  For such a heavily used site I expected around 20 - 50 moderators.  I think his comment was later deleted not because it contained false information but because it became irrelevant.  But I still wanted it explained." CreationDate="2022-08-01T05:22:02.317" UserId="439154" />
  <row Id="12295" PostId="5669" Score="0" Text="Thank you for your honesty and humour user414777.  As for your comment that Gilles 'SO- stop being evil' &quot;made incorrect claims, like that `cat` ever choked on NUL bytes or inputs not terminated by newlines&quot;, he did say &quot;some older implementations [of text processing tools]&quot; but doesn't explicitly state which." CreationDate="2022-08-01T05:22:14.517" UserId="439154" />
  <row Id="12296" PostId="5669" Score="0" Text="In summary, here were my incorrect assertions: (a) muru and Stephen Kitt were moderators; (b) not being able to upvote, downvote, comment on or delete self-posts were designed features aimed to limit new users; (c) the in-built command `read` on my Mac OS X was POSIX." CreationDate="2022-08-01T05:22:23.940" UserId="439154" />
  <row Id="12297" PostId="5974" Score="0" Text="Note that the “preventing abuse” angle is addressing potential abuse on SO, which sees vastly more voting than Unix.SE. Recouping a 50 point “investment” on SO would be easy; here it would be quite a bit harder (unless the post hits HNQ, but that’s also unlikely here in scenarios where this specific bounty abuse would be useful)." CreationDate="2022-08-04T12:27:27.967" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="12298" PostId="5974" Score="0" Text="@StephenKitt : I acknowledge I did not know the reason why this doubling requirement was implemented. And I agree with you… I never recovered my (for the time low) investment on whatever bounty I offered. No problem since… it was of course not my intention. BTW my point remains : *Abusus non tollit usum*. Find ways to fight those who abuse of some facility other than removing the feature for eveybody." CreationDate="2022-08-04T13:05:12.920" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="12299" PostId="5974" Score="0" Text="@StephenKitt : I mean, If I do want to reward two answers at the same value AND to the cost of infringing policies… then well… il feel intelligent enough to open a new question worded so that… It will take more than two days for getting closed duplicate. I sync with the second poster and… reward everybody equally. But… I just hate that." CreationDate="2022-08-04T13:10:11.027" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="12300" PostId="5967" Score="0" Text="SE also awards badges encouraging people to look at old posts. Revival, Excavator, and Archaeologist come to mind." CreationDate="2022-08-11T17:42:46.873" UserId="21334" />
  <row Id="12301" PostId="5976" Score="0" Text="do you remember if you replied, commented, or even bookmarked the question/answer? By bookmark I mean using the site feature, not your browser, but I guess that could work too." CreationDate="2022-08-13T15:10:51.013" UserId="409852" />
  <row Id="12302" PostId="5976" Score="0" Text="No @NordineLotfi : I did nothing (other than note it as interesting in my own head )" CreationDate="2022-08-13T15:20:01.617" UserId="323121" />
  <row Id="12303" PostId="5669" Score="0" Text="I'm glad, really @rwarvi because I was in a slightly similar situation as you were when I first joined Unix, as well as some other minor times when it happened. I also notice a lot of what you noticed, ***especially*** Observation 3, which I never really knew how to complain about, because of many obvious reasons. So yes, I'm really glad someone else noticed this and proved to me that this wasn't just a figment of my imagination. Thank you P.S.: Before it is pointed, yes, I already read the answers to this post." CreationDate="2022-08-13T15:30:35.440" UserId="409852" />
  <row Id="12304" PostId="5976" Score="0" Text="I searched on one of the stack data dump (the one for unix.SE) and found 4709 comment that match the word (both in upper and lowercase) &quot;python&quot;. If that doesn't work, either terdon can shed some past wisdom/memory on this, or maybe one could filter by python answer for all unix's post." CreationDate="2022-08-13T15:44:32.697" UserId="409852" />
  <row Id="12305" PostId="5976" Score="0" Text="@NordineLotfi thanks for trying. &quot;python&quot; alone will produce a huge haystack of course; python+terdon (comment) should be a minimum. You are not using SEDE?" CreationDate="2022-08-13T15:52:59.277" UserId="323121" />
  <row Id="12307" PostId="5976" Score="0" Text="No, I'm not using SEDE (not to my taste and I only know one person on meta.SE who is expert at it). I'm using one of the data dump from stack, you can find them [here](https://archive.org/details/stackexchange). I only had to make my own tool for it in python to parse it." CreationDate="2022-08-13T15:57:15.360" UserId="409852" />
  <row Id="12308" PostId="5976" Score="0" Text="@Rusi re: your flag, I'm happy to move your question to Meta.SE (where there's a data-explorer tag), but I don't think it's off-topic here, given that you're looking for a U&amp;L post." CreationDate="2022-08-13T16:39:33.590" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="12309" PostId="5976" Score="0" Text="Are you trying to find the python answer or my (kind of obnoxious, sorry) comment? The comment has likely been deleted." CreationDate="2022-08-13T16:43:43.083" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12310" PostId="5976" Score="0" Text="[data.se] can help, but we can't migrate there, it isn't a site for questions, it's a site that lets you craft DB queries to find stuff on the various SE sites." CreationDate="2022-08-13T16:49:24.123" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12311" PostId="5976" Score="0" Text="I already mentioned I made a tool for myself to use the stack data dump -- so would anyone object if I recommend/mention it on an answer to this post? (it's not good or anything but it could help the OP find their wanted post)" CreationDate="2022-08-13T16:57:42.630" UserId="409852" />
  <row Id="12312" PostId="5976" Score="0" Text="@terdon &quot;Comment deleted&quot;... Oh! I wanted that comment in the context of (an especially) clunky answer " CreationDate="2022-08-13T16:59:48.827" UserId="323121" />
  <row Id="12313" PostId="5976" Score="0" Text="@terdon JFTR I don't think there was anything obnoxious in your comment... The &quot;...on earth...&quot; is (probably) my addition. If I remember it was just &quot;Why would/do you do this?&quot; I have spent time with SE search as well as google before asking..." CreationDate="2022-08-13T17:10:35.940" UserId="323121" />
  <row Id="12314" PostId="5977" Score="0" Text="Tnx I'll try it." CreationDate="2022-08-13T17:17:41.490" UserId="323121" />
  <row Id="12315" PostId="5977" Score="0" Text="btw, the command I used to get the previously mentioned 4709 matches was `grep &quot;^COMMENT:&quot; unix.stackexchange.com.md | grep python | wc -l` @Rusi Just FYI" CreationDate="2022-08-13T17:27:59.273" UserId="409852" />
  <row Id="12316" PostId="5976" Score="0" Text="Ah, glad to hear that. I've been known to be obnoxious :) I admit I do have a vague recollection of seeing a needlessly complex multi-line python script as an answer to something that could be done very simply with one-liners, but I am not sure it was only once. If you can find the answer, I can give you a screenshot of the deleted comments (mods can see deleted comments)." CreationDate="2022-08-13T17:33:32.740" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12317" PostId="5976" Score="0" Text="@terdon for my purposes any such answer will do!" CreationDate="2022-08-13T17:36:43.613" UserId="323121" />
  <row Id="12319" PostId="5977" Score="3" Text="Why on earth would you use `grep python | wc -l` when `grep -c python` exists? Sorry, I couldn't resist :P" CreationDate="2022-08-13T17:51:14.420" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12320" PostId="5977" Score="0" Text="I knew this would bait someone ;) but on a serious note, it's by habit. Sorry :) @terdon" CreationDate="2022-08-13T17:57:36.207" UserId="409852" />
  <row Id="12321" PostId="5978" Score="1" Text="Looks like the one!!!  Many Many thanks @Terdon" CreationDate="2022-08-13T17:58:18.753" UserId="323121" />
  <row Id="12322" PostId="5978" Score="0" Text="I actually found that one in the 4709 matches I mentioned, so that's nice" CreationDate="2022-08-13T18:00:19.243" UserId="409852" />
  <row Id="12323" PostId="5978" Score="0" Text="@NordineLotfi I find haystacks ok.... From a safe distance " CreationDate="2022-08-13T18:03:13.730" UserId="323121" />
  <row Id="12325" PostId="5979" Score="0" Text="If you feel the question should be closed as unclear, vote to do so and explain your reasoning in a comment on the question." CreationDate="2022-08-24T03:07:10.670" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="12327" PostId="5361" Score="0" Text="Is the answer still true after 5 years? I've seen Kali suggested as a good developer distribution and I'm giving it a try. I didn't have any problems so far, even for day to day use. The installation was really user friendly like Fedora, or Ubuntu and every application I installed is working (eg. Microsoft Teams, JetBrains tools, AnyDesk). I'm not a newbie however. I've been using Linux since around 1994." CreationDate="2022-08-25T14:34:48.823" UserId="538935" />
  <row Id="12328" PostId="5361" Score="2" Text="@filippo As far as I know, this hasn't changed. In particular, they don't really manage updates. Kali is designed to use once, briefly, for an engagement, and then you wipe the installation (and whatever client confidential data you might have accumulated there) when the engagement is finished." CreationDate="2022-08-25T15:01:12.530" UserId="885" />
  <row Id="12329" PostId="5980" Score="0" Text="Ha! OK then! Thanks! for the info. It won't solve the problem of needing 4 other honest&amp;courageous contributors to get actually closed… even if… I had recently to acknowledge that some contributors get the superpower to close irrespective of the number of voters… ;-P ! No hardfeeling anyhow ! :-)" CreationDate="2022-08-29T10:33:34.823" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="12330" PostId="5980" Score="1" Text="Close votes like this usually complete successfully here, and there’s always the possibility that a mod will insta-close. (Hammers for non-mods only apply to duplicates.)" CreationDate="2022-08-29T10:59:22.823" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="12331" PostId="5263" Score="0" Text="This implies that the average poster of Kali questions (someone who saw it on Mr. Robot etc) reads anything, or would go through a well crafted doc page. That's almost a priori excluded because if the person read docs, particularly Kali website docs, they wouldn't have installed it in most cases in the first place, or if competent, and knowing what they wanted, they wouldn't be posting newbie questions on a distro that is not meant for newbies." CreationDate="2022-09-01T18:07:58.573" UserId="141896" />
  <row Id="12332" PostId="5257" Score="0" Text="It's almost 100% Mr. Robot, as forest says. Pretending otherwise leads to confusion, the reason Kali questions are hated is because the person posting them almost always believes that using Kali will make them a l33t hacker, not grasping that penetration testing tools are tools for users who know what they are doing. There's an instinct with amateurs+computers to get very defensive very fast so I don't really think how you answer matters very much to be honest, those are things more aimed at people already on the way to tech competence." CreationDate="2022-09-01T18:11:20.187" UserId="141896" />
  <row Id="12333" PostId="5257" Score="0" Text="As an aside, I for one would love a real question from a serious Kali user, they just never seem to appear, probably because they posted them on Kali forums, the right place to post them to begin with. I can't recall ever seeing a serious Kali question here, I'm sure a few have been posted, but I haven't seen one, thus, the dislike of most Kali questions, it's really in the RTFM realm, best response is maybe: this is a distribution for experts, and your question shows you aren't an expert, so you should find a distro better suited to your abilities." CreationDate="2022-09-01T18:13:40.187" UserId="141896" />
  <row Id="12334" PostId="5981" Score="0" Text="The comments have indeed been erased and moved to [this chat room](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/138979/discussion-on-question-by-rajesh-kumar-remove-multiple-header-from-csv-file) since they were neither asking for nor providing clarity to the question which is what comments are for." CreationDate="2022-09-04T09:41:02.413" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12335" PostId="5982" Score="0" Text="Sorry but: I wrote the data yes, but the OP accepted the edit. Assuming good faith, he meant that that was he had as a file." CreationDate="2022-09-04T10:33:15.697" UserId="529738" />
  <row Id="12336" PostId="5982" Score="0" Text="Unfortunately, @QuartzCristal, it clearly wasn't since i) your answer didn't work and ii) the image the OP provided was completely different. That's why we don't do such edits." CreationDate="2022-09-04T10:35:54.590" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12337" PostId="5982" Score="0" Text="(1) How do you get to the conclusion that it was clear? (2) The data was exactly equal to the images that the OP supplied. Was it not?" CreationDate="2022-09-04T10:40:23.177" UserId="529738" />
  <row Id="12338" PostId="5982" Score="0" Text="@QuartzCristal 1) I already explained how, see the previous comment. 2) no they were not, see the OP's subsequent image also reproduced here. You recreated one possible interpretation of the original image (but not necessarily the right one for the reasons already explained above) and then the OP showed a new image demonstrating that the underlying data are completely different." CreationDate="2022-09-04T10:41:11.267" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12339" PostId="5982" Score="0" Text="Fine @terdon. Thanks for your time and effort to convince me of your opinions. Bye." CreationDate="2022-09-04T10:43:37.847" UserId="529738" />
  <row Id="12341" PostId="5981" Score="0" Text="Amazing: The comments were asking about data of the question and how the decision to remove that data was reached. How is that not **asking for ... clarity of the question** ? @terdon" CreationDate="2022-09-04T10:54:10.913" UserId="529738" />
  <row Id="12342" PostId="5981" Score="0" Text="Please _read_ the comments that were left under the question despite being moved to chat and you will see that the ones that were requesting clarification are still there. The ones deleted are your discussion with a moderator about your actions. And even those are still available in the chat room. Here's a screenshot for ease of access: https://i.stack.imgur.com/bPiwo.png" CreationDate="2022-09-04T10:56:54.143" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12343" PostId="5981" Score="0" Text="Discussing **My** actions? Was it not **His** actions?. But what I am commenting here about is about your reasoning to delete/move/remove/change the comments. My comments were **also** requesting clarification. Call it what it is: for whatever reason you didn't like my comments, so, they got removed. That part is completely clear to me. What is amazing is the reasoning used to explain it. @terdon" CreationDate="2022-09-04T11:05:21.987" UserId="529738" />
  <row Id="12344" PostId="5981" Score="0" Text="As you wish. You have been convinced the mod team have it out for you for years now, across all of your many deleted accounts. I don't really expect that to change. As we have told you so many times: if you feel you are being wronged, you can [contact SE](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/contact). I will only say that _none_ of your deleted comments were requesting clarification since _none_ of them were even addressing the OP. The one comment that was, is still there: [Remove multiple header from csv file](https://unix.stackexchange.com/posts/comments/1356836)." CreationDate="2022-09-04T11:09:24.000" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12345" PostId="5981" Score="0" Text="Ah, and thanks for undeleting in that image previous comments about other comments also erased." CreationDate="2022-09-04T11:11:01.043" UserId="529738" />
  <row Id="12347" PostId="5981" Score="0" Text="The question here is &quot;why have I been asked to come here?&quot; not the other stuff you are distracting everyone of the real point with. @terdon" CreationDate="2022-09-04T11:24:51.693" UserId="529738" />
  <row Id="12349" PostId="5986" Score="1" Text="I have to say that I find it odd that you rolled back my edits.  Your answer has multiple issues in formatting, grammar, punctuation, and Markdown that I simply tried to help correct to make it more readable." CreationDate="2022-09-08T17:35:28.233" UserId="432493" />
  <row Id="12350" PostId="5986" Score="0" Text="@NotTheDr01ds : I sincerely apologize If my rollback hurted you in any way. I do acknowledge that my &quot;contribution* exhibits many formatting issues as well as possibly grammatical errors. However, the point is that : Your edit had presented A/ as a quote when it is not actually in full and worse (IMHO) all what I had (intentionally) put in bold was reverted to normal. I of course started re-editing after our edit but, after several unsuccesful fiddlings found eaysier to simply rollback. I am getting old... and lazy.. please pardon me." CreationDate="2022-09-08T17:49:01.693" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="12351" PostId="5986" Score="1" Text="Well, I never said, &quot;hurt&quot; ;-).  And yes, that first line was challenging, as you seem to be quoting *portions* of the original question but paraphrasing other parts.  And I changed &quot;strong&quot; items (bold) to &quot;emphasis&quot; (italics), which would be more semantically appropriate for most of the words you bolded." CreationDate="2022-09-08T18:59:48.400" UserId="432493" />
  <row Id="12352" PostId="5981" Score="1" Text="@terdon Is the comment about past deleted accounts really appropriate for public consumption?  It seems to me that, if you have information that leads you to state this as &quot;fact&quot;, then that's probably something that should be kept to the Mods.  On the other hand, if it's speculation (even if strongly supported), then that should be stated, right?  Honest question here, because I'm not quite sure -- It's just something about the comment isn't sitting right with me." CreationDate="2022-09-08T20:48:10.210" UserId="432493" />
  <row Id="12353" PostId="5987" Score="0" Text="I believe now that any further discussion about &quot;data text&quot; is just distracting everyone from the actual point. I would call it a &quot;red herring&quot;. Yes, the point is IMO: why am I here?, yes, English is not my native language. Yes, my descriptions might be wrong, your answer might be misunderstood. The answer for me is: because I was asked to. All this could have been avoided by everyone by just saying: There is nothing wrong with your edit (well, nothing that require a moderator action) instead of asking me to report this in Meta." CreationDate="2022-09-08T20:50:15.843" UserId="529738" />
  <row Id="12354" PostId="5987" Score="2" Text="*&quot;All this could have been avoided by everyone by just saying: There is nothing wrong with your edit (well, nothing ...&quot;* But there *was* a problem with your edit, and any user (didn't have to be a Mod) should have rolled it back.  *&quot;asking me to report this in Meta&quot;* But you weren't asked to report this in Meta.  You were *invited* to report problems that you perceived with Kusalananda's behavior here in Meta if you wished." CreationDate="2022-09-08T20:54:49.870" UserId="432493" />
  <row Id="12355" PostId="5987" Score="0" Text="I felt that I was being asked to come here. If that is still not clear for everyone, there is no point in pursuing this any further. Thanks." CreationDate="2022-09-08T21:11:37.840" UserId="529738" />
  <row Id="12356" PostId="5987" Score="0" Text="*any user (didn't have to be a Mod) should have rolled it back* Ten, please, you should roll back this edits of an image to text (one example found on a quick search): https://unix.stackexchange.com/revisions/716127/7  Nobody did a rollback, there was no problem (And I have none, as well). No moderator asked the editor to &quot;post to meta&quot;. Why is that edit not a problem ? @NotTheDr01ds" CreationDate="2022-09-08T21:28:49.890" UserId="529738" />
  <row Id="12357" PostId="5987" Score="2" Text="@QuartzCristal Well, guess what - You're right on that topic, and I'm wrong.  I'm taking a Stack Overflow rule and applying it to U&amp;L, when it isn't the &quot;policy&quot; here.  In fact, terdon says in [this](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/a/4448/432493) post that it's welcome!  So in this case, the problem seems to *really* have been that Kusalananda felt that your transcription didn't match the original source.  I thought it was more a blanket - &quot;Never do that&quot;, but I (again) am wrong." CreationDate="2022-09-08T21:38:49.560" UserId="432493" />
  <row Id="12359" PostId="5981" Score="2" Text="@NotTheDr01ds this is at least the fourth time this user has deleted their high rep account in a huff and then created a new one pretending to be new to SE. I don't know this because of any privileged mod information, I simply recognize the style and pattern of behavior after all these years. At least one other, non mod, user has also made the connection. I will not play this game yet another time and pretend I don't know, and since no mod info is involved, I also don't see why I should help the charade." CreationDate="2022-09-09T09:12:46.493" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12360" PostId="5981" Score="0" Text="Thanks @terdon!  I do completely agree with that approach then." CreationDate="2022-09-09T12:26:23.833" UserId="432493" />
  <row Id="12361" PostId="5981" Score="0" Text="@terdon Yes, sure, you are the moderator (police), the jury, the judge and the sentence executor all in one. But your goal is to track individuals and judge not what they actually say but what your feelings about that individual (correct or not) are. Perfect, that is (and has been made) very clear to me." CreationDate="2022-09-09T13:29:44.467" UserId="529738" />
  <row Id="12362" PostId="5987" Score="0" Text="The transcription of the Excel sheet image made the assumption that the original was in CSV format and stored as such on file. This was not to my knowledge assumptions that came from the OP. Transcribing image text is otherwise fine and the correct thing to do, if the point of the question does not rely on details that may be lost in the transcription process." CreationDate="2022-09-09T13:53:50.933" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="12363" PostId="5981" Score="0" Text="@QuartzCristal Since you obviously feel strongly about your deleted comments and reverted edits, and since getting input from other users on the Meta site did not resolve any issues for you, you have the option to await further comments and answers from others here or to bring any perceived injustices to the attention of the StackExchange team. There is no need to further rant in this or any other comment section. We are all fully aware of how you feel." CreationDate="2022-09-09T13:54:28.257" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="12364" PostId="5981" Score="0" Text="@Kusalananda No, I don't feel strongly about some erased comments or edits. Those are everyday issues. It is not about edits I care about. But I do feel strongly about not understanding you. And being treated as here for asking clarifications doesn't help the least bit. No need to re-iterate, I have heard you, repeatedly." CreationDate="2022-09-09T14:00:48.043" UserId="529738" />
  <row Id="12365" PostId="5981" Score="0" Text="I am not ranting, terdon is twisting the dagger in the wound, I am answering to his (whatever you call it). @Kusalananda" CreationDate="2022-09-09T14:04:37.890" UserId="529738" />
  <row Id="12367" PostId="5987" Score="0" Text="@Kusalananda There was no assumption, the OP himself declared: **Unix csv file it is** (in this comment, which you can read: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/715975/remove-multiple-header-from-csv-file#comment1356837_715977). The meaning of such declaration may be now in dispute but it was not at the time the OP said it." CreationDate="2022-09-10T12:46:08.060" UserId="529738" />
  <row Id="12368" PostId="5989" Score="0" Text="While I can't read Kusalananda's mind, perhaps they were giving the author a chance to salvage their answer? Regardless, comments are temporary post-it notes, and shouldn't stop the community from reviewing as they see fit." CreationDate="2022-09-10T15:17:48.200" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="12369" PostId="5989" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller : Whatever Kusalananda had in mind, we can assume that they actually reviewed the answer. I mean if some mod actually closes some question, it no longer shows in the *close votes* review queue. (Irrespective of members of the community considerations) The same should IMHO happen when reviewing. If some mod actually reviews an answer it should no longer show in the review queue. BTW my point is simply to find ways to reduce the ever growing number of review tasks with limited chances left opened for a wrong decision." CreationDate="2022-09-10T15:45:07.390" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="12370" PostId="5989" Score="0" Text="In its current form, the answer does not &quot;look ok&quot; to me, which is why I commented the way I did on it.  I was hoping that the user who answered would see it and take action to improve on it.  I then promptly forgot about it.  My comment should definitely not stop any other reviewer from reviewing the answer and taking whatever action they see fit.  It is unclear if you are asking about my comment or whether you are asking about how to review this answer." CreationDate="2022-09-10T15:49:40.810" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="12371" PostId="5989" Score="0" Text="Rereading your question text here, are you saying that if an answer (or question) has a comment from a particular user, it should be taken out of the review queues?  That would be a strange mechanic." CreationDate="2022-09-10T15:58:47.557" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="12372" PostId="5989" Score="0" Text="@Kusalananda : Not whatever *particular* user. I meant whatever particular user from the moderation team. ;-)" CreationDate="2022-09-10T16:05:31.293" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="12373" PostId="5989" Score="0" Text="@MC68020 Technically still just a user of the site though." CreationDate="2022-09-10T16:15:38.570" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="12374" PostId="5990" Score="1" Text="Fair enough! I do appreciate your last^H^H^H^Hpenultimate (just kidding) paragraph highlighting the nice understanding you get of your exceptional role here. However, getting back on my point (reducing the amount of review tasks) : You (rightfully) give a chance to the author, then (as you said yourself) you forget about it (who could blame you for that ?) so we get to review the post and for the very same reason... just skip that very  task... which is therefore likely to remain for ages in the queue." CreationDate="2022-09-10T16:44:28.747" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="12375" PostId="5983" Score="0" Text="For the system to work, they should answer in a comment, since that way the person asking for clarification gets a notification (though that's assuming they want to do something with the information personally). Also answering a question directly is kinda the polite thing to do. Then again, they should also edit the information in, so it's easier to find it. Double job. All new users are never going to do that well, so the ones in the know and who care get to do that anyway, at least occasionally. In this particular case, that comment about bullying seems quite out of place." CreationDate="2022-09-10T18:38:16.063" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="12376" PostId="5990" Score="1" Text="@MC68020 the point is that mods aren't special: we're not always right or always certain our opinion is The Right One®. If I think a post should be deleted or closed I'll do it, but sometimes I might feel that it isn't such a clear cut case that a mod should get involved. In a healthy community like ours where many people are reviewing, it is often best to let the community handle it when it isn't a blatant case instead of having the mod impose their own opinion." CreationDate="2022-09-11T12:17:52.687" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12377" PostId="5989" Score="0" Text="Basically, if the mod left a comment but took no other action, that just means the mod doesn't feel the situation is clear enough to warrant mod closure and instead feels they should let the community decide." CreationDate="2022-09-11T12:19:20.443" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12378" PostId="5983" Score="2" Text="The (limited, imperfect) way I've found to deal with this is to always ask for an edit in my comments. So I'll say something like `Please [edit] your question and...`. The `[edit]` is rendered as [edit], it becomes a link to the &quot;Edit&quot; button of the question. And then, since I have already mentioned they should edit in the first comment, I can repeat and say &quot;Thank you, but please ***edit*** your question to add new information since comments are easy to miss, hard to read and can be deleted without warning&quot;. Having this rule explicitly stated somewhere would be a great help though!" CreationDate="2022-09-12T15:59:21.873" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12379" PostId="5988" Score="1" Text="&quot;I would love to see the Comment FAQ updated to be more explicit.&quot; – That MSE post is a community-maintained FAQ... So if you want it changed, you should go ahead and make the change yourself! (Or at least suggest it yourself there.)" CreationDate="2022-09-12T20:13:01.933" UserId="488802" />
  <row Id="12380" PostId="5988" Score="0" Text="@V2Blast Thanks - Done.  It just seems odd to me that a community FAQ that is supposed to be canonical can be updated by just one lone peon like me ;-).  But, nonetheless, done ..." CreationDate="2022-09-12T20:26:27.467" UserId="432493" />
  <row Id="12381" PostId="5988" Score="0" Text="Worst-case scenario, your changes will get reverted by another community member if they feel the changes are inappropriate. But it looks good to me :)" CreationDate="2022-09-13T05:36:18.757" UserId="488802" />
  <row Id="12382" PostId="5983" Score="0" Text="@terdon That is also what I usually try to do when I notice this kind of &quot;comment-flooding&quot;. Only the current situation made me wonder if there is actually a _documented_ consensus that this is, indeed, the expected behavior (i.e. whether I have a &quot;valid&quot; reason for my comments)." CreationDate="2022-09-13T07:54:53.953" UserId="377345" />
  <row Id="12383" PostId="5983" Score="3" Text="I found out it is actually explicitly mentioned in https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/privileges/create-posts. See &quot;What happens after I ask a question?&quot;" CreationDate="2022-09-13T07:57:13.640" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12384" PostId="5983" Score="0" Text="@terdon Ok, good catch! You may want to add this as an answer, as it directlly addresses the question I raised in the last phrase of my post. Still, it might be worthwile highlighting the sentence on clarification requests somewhat more prominently; I could imagine it is easy to miss as it's currently written." CreationDate="2022-09-13T08:01:00.407" UserId="377345" />
  <row Id="12385" PostId="5983" Score="1" Text="Easy to miss? It's almost designed not to be found! And not my catch, I mentioned this in the TL, the network-wide mod chat room, and someone else pointed it out." CreationDate="2022-09-13T08:11:26.513" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12387" PostId="5983" Score="0" Text="@terdon =D=D=D=D=D (sorry, somewhat mixed my emojis up)" CreationDate="2022-09-13T08:14:00.943" UserId="377345" />
  <row Id="12388" PostId="5986" Score="1" Text="Commenting is not the only way of providing notifications in the inbox. If you’re interested in a question, follow it and you’ll be notified if its author edits it, as well when a comment is added (which avoids missing comments not @-addressed to you)." CreationDate="2022-09-18T06:58:59.760" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="12389" PostId="5986" Score="0" Text="Regarding point C, post authors can comment on their own posts with no rep." CreationDate="2022-09-18T07:35:36.633" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="12391" PostId="5986" Score="0" Text="Thanks @StephenKitt for the tip ! I'll learn from it since… you appropriately refrained from telling what I *should* do… which is the most important point I wanted to make here. ;-)" CreationDate="2022-09-18T08:28:34.303" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="12393" PostId="5995" Score="0" Text="I'd rather say than accepting an answer means &quot;This is the solution **I'm happy with**&quot;. Incidentally implying that I personally switched to something else and (wouldn't it be for the sole sake of politeness) would not even read other answers. That question no longer presents any interest to myself =&gt; community is welcomed to consider identically. No need to wait for that. Adding that… I'm not used to get more than one single answer to my questions… (If any)" CreationDate="2022-09-21T16:39:39.020" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="12394" PostId="5995" Score="0" Text="@MC68020 if you're really done with that question, why even bother accepting any answer?" CreationDate="2022-09-22T04:07:16.110" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="12395" PostId="5995" Score="0" Text="@muru : That is precisely my very point against the delay : I will bother for the sole sake of politeness marking the question resolved-fixed as long as I stay on that page. That is for a short time after saving the edit of my answer. One ? Two days after… for sure… I won't bother…  for having my mind of whatever else." CreationDate="2022-09-22T21:19:52.863" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="12396" PostId="5995" Score="0" Text="@MC68020 that's OK. II think the idea is we'd rather have more answers than one, accepted one." CreationDate="2022-09-23T07:45:51.997" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12397" PostId="5995" Score="1" Text="@MC68020 I suspect that one factor is that questions with an accepted answer get much less attention in general — at least, I’ve noticed that answers that are accepted quickly tend to attract fewer views and votes than questions that spend a little while unaccepted. So an self-answered Q with a quickly-accepted answer would be less likely to get a better answer (if there is one)." CreationDate="2022-09-23T13:41:31.577" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="12398" PostId="5995" Score="0" Text="@StephenKitt : You are correct ! (As usual) I do not, myself, click on questions having an accepted answer. (That is why I find this acceptance useful since it saves time to the community). Of course, when I ask some question, what I am looking for is an answer, not earning credit. So, yes indeed, accepting an answer will lead to less views (adding the fact that the question won't give food to the sombre *community user* ;-) ) hence less possible upvotes. But… as far as I get an answer I'm happy with… who cares ?" CreationDate="2022-09-23T14:14:46.577" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="12399" PostId="5995" Score="0" Text="Not to say that I already answered two of my own questions with a solution I was not that much happy with, did not consequently accept the answers. No other answer went posted, credit on the question has not increased and number of views is not **much** different compared to those for which I accepted the answer. OK, I acknowledge, this is not worth more than my personal experience." CreationDate="2022-09-23T14:19:39.317" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="12400" PostId="5995" Score="0" Text="@MC68020 but why even bother marking it as solved?" CreationDate="2022-09-23T14:48:32.140" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="12401" PostId="5995" Score="0" Text="@muru : &lt; kidding &gt; Clever ! You actually found the ultimate way to force me accepting terdon's answer :-) &lt; /kidding &gt; Well… if your last comment gets the same meaning than the #2 then my #3 comment stands as my answer. :-P" CreationDate="2022-09-23T15:15:15.493" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="12402" PostId="5995" Score="0" Text="If it were up to me, I would remove the &quot;accept&quot; functionality entirely. It often doesn't mark the best answer and often just leads to drama and &quot;waaah, why you no accept?&quot; complaints. It's not worth the complications, IMO. Note how we have already stopped pinning the accepted answer to the top:[Would you like to have the accepted answer pinned or unpinned on UNIX &amp; Linux?](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/q/5835)" CreationDate="2022-09-23T15:23:33.057" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12403" PostId="5995" Score="1" Text="&lt; kidding &gt; OK then, I now understand how to proceed. 1/ I vote for you as U&amp;LSE dictator-in-chief 2/ I change this discussion into a feature request 3/ I come back whining &quot;waaah, why don't you accept it ! &lt;/ kidding&gt; Ha! was going to forget :  &lt;kidding&gt; Yes I do note how you work for the rich (those questions that get &gt; 2 answers) &lt; /kidding &gt;" CreationDate="2022-09-23T16:07:08.703" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="12404" PostId="5995" Score="0" Text="&lt; kidding as Michael Palin in &quot;Holy Grail&quot;&gt; &quot;Is there anybody else we could talk to ?&quot; &lt;/kidding&gt;" CreationDate="2022-09-23T16:10:16.400" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="12405" PostId="5995" Score="1" Text="Heh, I'm sure there is a feature request on MSE for this. Somewhere." CreationDate="2022-09-23T16:30:19.087" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12406" PostId="5996" Score="1" Text="Mobile now, can answer properly later if no one else does, but https://meta.stackexchange.com/posts/19177/revisions indicates that the email feature was recently removed" CreationDate="2022-09-25T12:45:33.277" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="12407" PostId="5996" Score="0" Text="Than I can I (as an upstream maintainer) monitor the tag of my own application?" CreationDate="2022-09-25T13:14:58.713" UserId="136851" />
  <row Id="12408" PostId="5997" Score="0" Text="Same here, my email alerts are still working." CreationDate="2022-09-28T08:32:58.060" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="12409" PostId="5999" Score="0" Text="ACK! I updated my question with a possibly easier way. BTW… you wrote : *&quot;It is also very, very low: 50 rep points which can be achieved through just five upvotes on your posts. It really is a low bar.&quot;* Hmmm… actually **not** regarding that particular user just getting… 0 post on U&amp;L… ;-P BTW I only insist on that since I can remember this user having post useful comments (in the time they had the privilege). I do believe the community lost something valuable (per this user self-acknowledged inadvertancy)" CreationDate="2022-09-30T11:03:11.023" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="12410" PostId="5999" Score="0" Text="@MC68020 yes, but still. It is one user, one time. This is hardly a common occurrence. And yes, 50 rep is indeed very, very low and very easy to get if you spend a bit of time here. Even the user in question had the rep, they just chose to give it away." CreationDate="2022-09-30T11:21:05.443" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12411" PostId="5999" Score="0" Text="Fair enough ! For the sole sake of the symbol (since I don't think you actually work hard for earning credits) I upvote this answer (because I acknowledge this being an edge case as well as I value the efficient work mod's achieve in dealing with exceptions (in this particular case upon some user request though ;-) )) I'll however won't accept it. My edited suggestion would have prevented the community to lose one valuable member who (please re-read their own now-comment) did **not**, as you writes it *&quot;**chose to** give it away&quot;* but more certainly ***inadvertently** gave it away*." CreationDate="2022-09-30T14:43:29.273" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="12412" PostId="5999" Score="1" Text="@MC68020 well no, not really: giving a bounty is a gamble. There is no guarantee that the bounty will result in the answer you are hoping for. In any case, I agree that it makes sense for the person who offered the bounty to have commenting rights, but that would be better posted as a focused feature request on [meta.se]." CreationDate="2022-09-30T14:57:46.150" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12413" PostId="5999" Score="0" Text="&lt; kidding &gt; Why do you absolutely want me to give away the hard earned 143 kudos I own on Meta SE ? &lt; /kidding &gt;  First time I went there, was it following some Jeff's advice (no hardfeeling Jeff) I faced a dozen downvotes and last time, I managed to avoid bankruptcy but only (I believe) thanks to the kindness of some open minded community manager… &lt; kidding &gt; Ha yes ! I remember ! You had given me the secret passphrase : &quot;Woaaaa!&quot; &lt; /kidding &gt;" CreationDate="2022-10-01T01:07:16.070" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="12414" PostId="5999" Score="0" Text="Epic Fail ! Recent (utterly disgraceful) event demonstrating that it is **actually very** efficient to trust in mods (not to say in one in particular ;-) ) for dealing with exceptions… particularly with exceptions among exceptions… then… I would feel unjust not to accept your answer. Therefore I change my mind… accept this answer and… of course… thank you personally." CreationDate="2022-10-02T17:52:49.100" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="12415" PostId="6000" Score="0" Text="First time I have seen this behavior in 10+ years on StackExchange." CreationDate="2022-10-05T17:32:30.497" UserId="353848" />
  <row Id="12416" PostId="6002" Score="1" Text="This is what the down-vote and/or comment features are for, there is no reason for you to be deleting answers based on a personal whim." CreationDate="2022-10-05T18:28:24.400" UserId="353848" />
  <row Id="12417" PostId="6002" Score="0" Text="`A moderator has deleted this post and it cannot be undeleted`" CreationDate="2022-10-05T18:31:34.247" UserId="353848" />
  <row Id="12418" PostId="6002" Score="0" Text="@JesseNickles No, if the answer had answer the question, then voting would have been the correct thing to use. Since it did not answer the question, I _could_ have put it in the low-quality post review queue. If I had found it in that queue, I would have deleted it." CreationDate="2022-10-05T18:33:19.383" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="12419" PostId="6002" Score="0" Text="@JesseNickles Good point. Then we will see what other people say here (including the other mods on the site)." CreationDate="2022-10-05T18:34:03.450" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="12420" PostId="6002" Score="1" Text="I think perma-delete actions by mods should generally be reserved for things like malware, jibberish and hentai spam, otherwise it's rather abusive use of powers and strips StackExchange of it's community aspect." CreationDate="2022-10-05T18:36:45.943" UserId="353848" />
  <row Id="12421" PostId="6000" Score="0" Text="`A moderator has deleted this post and it cannot be undeleted` not even high rep users can vote to undelete, this is anti-open web behavior." CreationDate="2022-10-05T18:38:04.800" UserId="353848" />
  <row Id="12422" PostId="6002" Score="0" Text="@JesseNickles I agree with parts of that. It's difficult to be a moderator and at the same time use the site as any other user. I can't, for example, vote, which I find very irritating. Also note that it's not a perma-delete. I'm more than happy to be convinced (by you or anybody else) that your answer is appropriate for the question you posted it to, and then to un-delete it. I'm also happy to let any other moderator un-delete it (they have been notified about this)." CreationDate="2022-10-05T18:38:26.850" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="12423" PostId="6000" Score="4" Text="Well, we're trying to create a site where there are a wealth of well-written questions that all get precise and well-written answers.  Your answer was good, but it had nothing but the word `touch` to do with the question. If answers were generally allowed to be that loosely connected with questions, then the site would gradually become utterly useless. You're totally free to update the answer so that it is in line with the question, and I'll undelete it immediately." CreationDate="2022-10-05T18:46:56.840" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="12424" PostId="6002" Score="0" Text="@JesseNickles See updated bit at the end. We'll undelete the answer ASAP, and you have the opportunity to update it, if you wish." CreationDate="2022-10-05T19:35:51.247" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="12425" PostId="6000" Score="0" Text="&quot;No reason to delete answers unless they are in extreme violation of the rules&quot; Says who?" CreationDate="2022-10-06T10:12:46.540" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="12428" PostId="6002" Score="0" Text="I've added a clarifying comment to my answer. Just because it's a rare case doesn't mean it won't help someone. Anyway I appreciate your willingness to listen to my perspective." CreationDate="2022-10-06T12:33:19.940" UserId="353848" />
  <row Id="12429" PostId="6000" Score="0" Text="Ah, if it's only you, then there's no problem deleting &quot;answers&quot; such as yours that don't answer the question." CreationDate="2022-10-06T14:10:32.697" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="12430" PostId="6002" Score="1" Text="For what it's worth, @JesseNickles, deleting answers that don't answer the question as asked (and I am not saying this is the case here, I have been traveling and have read neither the question nor your answer yet, this is a general point) is standard mod behavior across the entire network. I am very surprised you haven't seen it before, but if you haven't, then it just happened that way. It's still standard, network wide." CreationDate="2022-10-06T14:37:34.303" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12432" PostId="6002" Score="1" Text="@terdon I'm pretty sure you're referring to people who answer &quot;poopy pants!&quot; to detailed questions about Linux, not answers that deal with rare but legitimate solutions to the OP's technical issue. In 10 years on SE I've never had one of my answers perma-deleted, let alone flagged for deletion." CreationDate="2022-10-06T15:35:58.540" UserId="353848" />
  <row Id="12433" PostId="6000" Score="0" Text="@JesseNickles Pease be careful with your responses here. Maybe see muru's initial comment as a request for support for your claim, and not as a personal attack. I've deleted your replies as they break our [Code of Conduct](https://unix.stackexchange.com/conduct)." CreationDate="2022-10-06T15:59:40.343" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="12434" PostId="6002" Score="0" Text="@JesseNickles There is a wide range of &quot;not an answer&quot; material, to be sure. It's not always easy to tell when an answer doesn't apply to a question. We've seen this with `bash` questions and `zsh` answers, with `grep` questions and `awk` answers. It's my understanding that Kusalananda took the time to understand the question and your answer and made the determination that your answer didn't apply to the question. I haven't invested the same amount of time, but I respect both of you for listening to the other's points of view." CreationDate="2022-10-06T16:03:02.620" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="12435" PostId="6002" Score="0" Text="@JesseNickles no, I am referring to people who post perfectly civil, constructive and often interesting answers which do not answer the specific question asked. One of the main objectives of the SE network is to minimize noise and answers that do not directly answer the question are noise, no matter how otherwise good or interesting they may be." CreationDate="2022-10-06T17:30:04.327" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12438" PostId="6004" Score="0" Text="Apparently you have 20 questions: https://unix.stackexchange.com/users/344494/anne?tab=questions&amp;sort=newest" CreationDate="2022-10-15T16:33:19.003" UserId="529738" />
  <row Id="12439" PostId="6004" Score="0" Text="Click on your name ....==&gt; https://unix.stackexchange.com/users/344494/anne" CreationDate="2022-10-15T16:34:54.720" UserId="529738" />
  <row Id="12440" PostId="6004" Score="1" Text="Just being curious : Is it me ? you ? your system ? inverting lower and upper cases ?" CreationDate="2022-10-15T17:14:38.207" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="12441" PostId="6004" Score="1" Text="@anne this question sounds like your loosing your mind, q8ustion, is this your real troubles or is something other/different that has higher priority? no disrespect" CreationDate="2022-10-15T17:31:23.110" UserId="36440" />
  <row Id="12442" PostId="6005" Score="0" Text="There isn’t much documentation about code search on SE; for more general context, see [Can I search for a quoted word?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/247202/285232)" CreationDate="2022-10-15T19:15:38.973" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="12443" PostId="6005" Score="0" Text="More wood to the same fire: The search box needs help. @StephenKitt" CreationDate="2022-10-15T22:03:54.973" UserId="529738" />
  <row Id="12444" PostId="6005" Score="0" Text="Is the Search box a Unix &amp; Linux thing, or a StackExchange thing?  If the latter, this particular Meta might not be an effective channel to request change." CreationDate="2022-10-15T23:32:37.133" UserId="531636" />
  <row Id="12445" PostId="6005" Score="0" Text="@SottoVoce In the web page, the search box. The one up above the whole page. What would be an effective channel to request change, then ?" CreationDate="2022-10-16T01:45:18.457" UserId="529738" />
  <row Id="12446" PostId="6005" Score="0" Text="@QuartzCristal I've only been on the StackExchange sites since June, so I'm not an expert.  I merely noticed that the search box you're talking about is in the top bar (black color) with the StackExchange icon next to it, rather than in the part of the page labeled Unix&amp;Linux.  After a bit of poking around the SE site, I found https://meta.stackexchange.com/ which might be the right place (or might not).  I recall an answer in this U&amp;L Meta that pointed to an area where new features by the SE developers were announced.  Perhaps that can lead to the best place for your question." CreationDate="2022-10-16T17:17:21.990" UserId="531636" />
  <row Id="12447" PostId="6008" Score="0" Text="While 100% agreeing with you that this is bad practice from the OP. These sorts of Q/A are absolutely painful to read. But I wonder whether they would be less painful for the reader if all answers were merged. Particularly if, as the OP answered Kusa, answers are not related. Anyway, a mod covered those threads while suggesting the OP to merge, and did not authoritatively merged. So… Not to say &quot;user fishing for reputation&quot; ? Hmmm who can judge… they have got a poor 50 and would expect what ? Particularly on this SE : doubling ? Hah bha ! Should we mind ?" CreationDate="2022-10-17T21:14:24.440" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="12448" PostId="6008" Score="0" Text="Relating https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/3247/when-should-i-post-multiple-answers-to-a-question?rq=1 where the community (in 2014) as almost evenly split between &quot;multiple answers&quot; and &quot;one larger answer&quot;." CreationDate="2022-10-19T17:22:21.210" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="12449" PostId="6010" Score="2" Text="I just rolled back an edit adding the second (GRUB) question to the main question, as we don't usually allow unrelated follow-up questions like that (they should be posted as separate questions).  Once the original user posts that new question themselves, the user here, CodeAsm, is most welcome to answer it.  They may also post the question themselves and post a self-answer, unless the question is a dupe.  There was nothing wrong with the answer itself, it was just not an answer to the given question." CreationDate="2022-10-27T10:47:24.170" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="12450" PostId="6010" Score="4" Text="Thank you for your answer. I slowly start to understand the problem i was having. Its tricky to find good questions to answer, especially as a beginner. If i notice a question within a question, whats my best course of action?" CreationDate="2022-10-27T11:06:59.693" UserId="70511" />
  <row Id="12451" PostId="6010" Score="4" Text="Just flag it for mod attention, @CodeAsm. You can choose the &quot;not an answer&quot; option, and we will review and delete it. You can aso leave a comment (you need 50 rep, but you're almost there!) asking the OP to post it as a new question. You can even ask it yourself, if you find it very interesting (just use your own words) and then you can answer your own question." CreationDate="2022-10-27T11:10:51.210" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12452" PostId="6010" Score="1" Text="By the way, I read your answer and I am not at all convinced you are a &quot;beginner&quot;! :)" CreationDate="2022-10-27T11:11:19.007" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12453" PostId="6009" Score="1" Text="Regarding your last paragraph (and this is only for info, not critique in any way): There are currently [four U&amp;L moderators](https://unix.stackexchange.com/users?tab=moderators), and as all StackExchange moderators, we are individual users of the site, not employees, and we tend to do day-to-day moderation using our own individual reasoning, not as a team in close collaboration (unless there are special issues arising). More info about moderation here: https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/site-moderators" CreationDate="2022-10-27T11:12:20.833" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="12454" PostId="6010" Score="1" Text="@terdon Help remind me, but if the community flags an Answer because it's really a new question as &quot;Not An Answer&quot;, that sends it to the Low Quality review queue, which can be handled by the community. Just putting a finer point on &quot;flagging for mod attention&quot;, which is a separate flagging option and isn't the best choice for plain old NAA's." CreationDate="2022-10-27T11:44:55.157" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="12455" PostId="6010" Score="1" Text="@JeffSchaller yeah, I just meant flag it, not flag with a custom reason." CreationDate="2022-10-27T11:47:15.257" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12456" PostId="6010" Score="5" Text="@CodeAsm This advice from one of the comments is quite good: &quot;You can even ask it yourself, if you find it very interesting (just use your own words) and then you can answer your own question&quot;. I have done it at least once; see the preamble in [this question of mine on Super User](https://superuser.com/q/1328504/432690)." CreationDate="2022-11-03T10:24:06.460" UserId="108618" />
  <row Id="12457" PostId="6012" Score="1" Text="Are you aware of greasemonkey/tampermonkey ?" CreationDate="2022-11-09T16:39:03.610" UserId="12574" />
  <row Id="12458" PostId="6014" Score="1" Text="I would second this assessment and add that even asking about and weighing the merits of specific technical aspects is difficult to do objectively. We usually want to see questions about employing specific technical aspects, i.e., in this case, issues that you'd get into _after_ choosing between init systems." CreationDate="2022-11-10T09:54:37.970" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="12460" PostId="6013" Score="2" Text="I find it intriguing that you expect would-be answerers of your example question to provide reasons, but you don’t provide yours (“for various reasons”)." CreationDate="2022-11-10T14:10:12.597" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="12461" PostId="6014" Score="3" Text="In a certain way it's a shame. When asking a question, we tend to weigh *where* to ask it, based on where we could find sufficient number of people that know about the topic, the quality of answers and the time to wait for them. U&amp;L is the best place to ask about Linux (&amp;U), at least from my perspective, when weighing the _where_, irrespective of the objectivity of the question. Of course the rules of the site are there for a good reason, and my previous thoughts are not meant to complain about them." CreationDate="2022-11-10T14:31:11.487" UserId="338177" />
  <row Id="12462" PostId="6014" Score="5" Text="@schrodingerscatcuriosity U&amp;L is a good place to _ask_ about Linux but not a good place to have a _discussion_ about it. Quite apart from the rules, the interface itself is not useful for discussions since answers can move about depending on their score and user preferences.  The entire point of these sites from the very beginning was to _not_ host discussions and long back and forth messages between users." CreationDate="2022-11-10T14:44:50.187" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12463" PostId="6014" Score="0" Text="@terdon Of course. My point is that for discussions about *technical knowledge*, which is what I understand OP is seeking, U&amp;L would be the best *community* to reach for. The *platform* on the other hand, to work properly, can't allow and is not designed for that kind of exchanges. Which is perfectly fine for the reasons you mention and others. There's a loss there I think, nobody to blame an unavoidable, but a loss anyway." CreationDate="2022-11-10T16:22:11.750" UserId="338177" />
  <row Id="12464" PostId="6014" Score="2" Text="Yeah, that's fair, @schrodingerscatcuriosity. In principle, chat would be a great place for it, but [our chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/26/dev-chat) is not very active." CreationDate="2022-11-10T16:32:11.530" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12465" PostId="6013" Score="0" Text="I was simply summarizing the question since I was not going to spend excessive time writing it knowing that it most likely has no way out. Obviously, in a case of &quot;production&quot;, the question would be complete; but at present the reasons are irrelevant." CreationDate="2022-11-10T16:49:11.130" UserId="373893" />
  <row Id="12466" PostId="6013" Score="1" Text="Ah right, that makes sense. I wondered because it’s a somewhat common pattern, and it sometimes makes it harder to write a useful answer." CreationDate="2022-11-10T17:05:28.787" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="12467" PostId="6014" Score="1" Text="At least our chat is not utterly deserted though, and a few people don’t mind spending time there when there’s something to chat about (like gardening)." CreationDate="2022-11-10T17:06:08.587" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="12468" PostId="6014" Score="0" Text="I am left surprised : U&amp;L_SE actually gets some tag labeled *distribution-choice*. Could anyone tell how much more opinion-based whatever question about init systems would be ?" CreationDate="2022-11-10T17:07:35.907" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="12469" PostId="6014" Score="0" Text="I am left surprised 2 : Of course only answers can be opinion based. These can easily be downvoted or even deleted. Closing whatever question for the reason it would trigger opinion based answers is nothing but an a-priori &amp; arbitrary judgement." CreationDate="2022-11-10T17:12:47.293" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="12470" PostId="6014" Score="0" Text="@MC68020 This Meta question is not about &quot;whatever question&quot; regarding init systems. It is about a _specific_ question about init systems. And that question is opinion-based." CreationDate="2022-11-10T18:14:17.443" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="12471" PostId="6014" Score="0" Text="Also, @MC68020, distribution choice questions don't _need_ to be opinion based. If you have a specific set of requirements, then you can be given objective, data-based answers for what distribution(s) out there meet your needs. [Here's a random example I just found](https://unix.stackexchange.com/q/690441/22222). However, some questions, like the one in this meta post, are inherently opinion based and so [explicitly off topic](https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/closed-questions) (see the &quot;opinion-based&quot; section)." CreationDate="2022-11-10T19:11:16.227" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12472" PostId="6013" Score="3" Text="After having a look at https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Comparison_of_init_systems, maybe go to IRC and ask on #gentoo (Libera Chat)." CreationDate="2022-11-10T22:59:05.890" UserId="388654" />
  <row Id="12473" PostId="6014" Score="0" Text="@Kusalananda : **With all due respect**, the last statement of your last comment (&quot;*And that question is opinion-based*&quot; ) is itself opinion-based. &quot;*But I'm not sure which init to use instead. Can you tell me about your choices (runit, openrc, s6, dinit...) and why?*&quot; Who on earth can pronounce an objective judgement about the nature of that  question ? Even if, I easily acknowledge that your experience as mod could back some possible fact that 99% of the answers such a question usually triggered (in the past) are of the kind : &quot;openrc because systemd sucks&quot;… tbc…" CreationDate="2022-11-11T01:05:22.483" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="12474" PostId="6014" Score="0" Text="… stating that this very question is opinion-based is nothing but an opinion. Worse ? an a-priori judgement of value ? Even worse ? A belief !" CreationDate="2022-11-11T01:06:59.907" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="12475" PostId="6014" Score="0" Text="Therefore, my opinion is that the wording is not appropriate. This sort of questions might not be appropriate on SE sites not because they are opinion based or would likely trigger opinion based answers but more simply because they just cannot get one unique &quot;best answer&quot; (not to be understood as in the badge definition). This very factual characteristic would also justify why I can often read many members of the community complaining about questions containing more than one question." CreationDate="2022-11-11T01:25:15.183" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="12476" PostId="6014" Score="0" Text="@MC68020 Well, a question that solicit opinion can very rarely have a single best answer. This is what we generally mean by a question being &quot;opinion-based&quot;. Is it simply the word &quot;opinion&quot; you are uncomfortable with?" CreationDate="2022-11-11T06:09:51.093" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="12477" PostId="6014" Score="0" Text="@Kusalananda : good catch! Well… only when being the reason for whatever sanction (what closing a question actually is)." CreationDate="2022-11-11T17:49:14.557" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="12478" PostId="6014" Score="1" Text="Coming in late here, but I would *not* recommend the Arch forums for this, since it would also be quite off-topic there.  From my understanding, the Arch Forums are pretty particular to having the question be about Arch (like Ask Ubuntu is for Ubuntu).  I would recommend the [Artix forums](https://forum.artixlinux.org) instead." CreationDate="2022-11-17T00:41:46.000" UserId="432493" />
  <row Id="12479" PostId="6013" Score="0" Text="This is a good use case for reddit." CreationDate="2022-11-22T00:34:28.057" UserId="11840" />
  <row Id="12480" PostId="6018" Score="0" Text="That does sound like a bug. [The post timeline](https://unix.stackexchange.com/posts/727041/timeline) has a bit more info for mods, and I see 5 votes to migrate to SO, so I don't understand why it would fail." CreationDate="2022-12-02T23:55:00.433" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12481" PostId="6018" Score="1" Text="My only guess at this point is that the asker is/was Question-blocked on SO. Just a guess!" CreationDate="2022-12-03T01:29:41.623" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="12482" PostId="6018" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller that might be it. In the meantime I found the other post where I saw this happening: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/726935/why-this-program-can-not-read-text-file-in-struct" CreationDate="2022-12-03T02:14:55.550" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="12483" PostId="6018" Score="0" Text="If I'm right, https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/276407/307535 has some background. It might instead be tags? https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/318476/307535 ... but probably not, given the tags on these two questions." CreationDate="2022-12-03T03:57:24.383" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="12484" PostId="6018" Score="1" Text="More canonical reference on failed migrations: https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/10250/307535" CreationDate="2022-12-03T03:58:47.773" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="12485" PostId="6018" Score="0" Text="The latter has a detailed flowchart which recommends *not* migrating questions with good answers unless they are at risk of deletion. That’s a criterion which we tend not to apply; I’ve had a few answers migrated to SO (with their parent question) after a few days, on questions which wouldn’t have warranted deletion here. (I don’t mind particularly, it always means more rep on SO…)" CreationDate="2022-12-05T12:26:03.400" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="12491" PostId="6021" Score="6" Text="My input is: Prohibit.  Expert systems are fine when a question includes complete and accurate details, and the question is well formed.  My long experience in phone tech support for computer systems, and my experiences here since June are that U&amp;L site questions often lack sufficient/accurate info, and the question asked is unclear.  Extracting the needed details and clarity requires a question-and-answer exchange with the OP.  The percentage of questions needing this conversation is too high for expert system answers to be beneficial.  IMO" CreationDate="2022-12-06T19:57:37.340" UserId="531636" />
  <row Id="12495" PostId="6022" Score="12" Text="I agree with all of this answer except the last portion.  I strongly *oppose* a bot pushing AI-generated answers to old and unanswered questions.  Putting vinegar in a wine bottle doesn't become an acceptable thing to do just because you're sticking it on a shelf next to a dining table that nobody seems to use." CreationDate="2022-12-09T19:47:40.370" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="12496" PostId="6025" Score="1" Text="Yes, to the 30-day ban." CreationDate="2022-12-13T09:50:34.517" UserId="97255" />
  <row Id="12497" PostId="6022" Score="0" Text="I wouldn't mind if SO somehow rendered AI generated answers somewhere down the **bottom** of the page and very clearly highlighted the whole answer's background and with a little warning symbol.  But for me this would have to be done as a side agreement between SO and ChatGPT (or other).  Building on [Whildard's metaphore](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/6021/how-do-we-want-to-handle-ai-generated-answers/6026#comment12495_6022) there's nothing wrong with Vinigar when it's put in a vinagar bottle." CreationDate="2022-12-14T02:51:31.867" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="12498" PostId="6021" Score="0" Text="On this I have a point of curiosity over licensing and copyright.  I wonder about the risk of AI generated answers producing actual content scraped from uncited sources.  This would raise a very significant licensing concern if it's [then published under CC-BY-SA 4](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/333089/stack-exchange-and-stack-overflow-have-moved-to-cc-by-sa-4-0) At least with copy-paste wikipedia answers this issue is [fairly clear cut](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Copyrights)." CreationDate="2022-12-14T02:55:16.983" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="12499" PostId="6024" Score="5" Text="Ugh...  &quot;rep farming&quot; (by bot) to create high rep accounts that are then sold for real money to unscrupulous people trying to make their CV look better...  *sigh*. My worst hatred from MMO Gaming days have finally caught up with me on my favourite internet haunt." CreationDate="2022-12-14T03:03:02.453" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="12500" PostId="6021" Score="0" Text="@PhilipCouling [Something related](https://www.theverge.com/23444685/generative-ai-copyright-infringement-legal-fair-use-training-data) is going on with AI art." CreationDate="2022-12-14T12:52:35.563" UserId="338177" />
  <row Id="12501" PostId="6021" Score="1" Text="@schrodingerscatcuriosity Thanks, that's a good read.  What made me think of it was my colleague's experience with [copilot](https://github.com/features/copilot) suddenly suggesting significant blocks of code (10+ lines) which even included a comment making it clear which project it had been scraped from.  The really scary thing is what happens when you can't trace it." CreationDate="2022-12-14T13:07:30.513" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="12502" PostId="6026" Score="4" Text="If [this answer](https://ai.stackexchange.com/a/38272) is true then it's very relevant." CreationDate="2022-12-14T13:53:13.627" UserId="108618" />
  <row Id="12504" PostId="6027" Score="0" Text="You're asking about the 0, -1, -1, 0, and 4?" CreationDate="2022-12-18T23:49:06.730" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="12505" PostId="6024" Score="0" Text="What's the point of rephrasing an answer from ChatGPT if it is correct?" CreationDate="2022-12-19T04:20:18.767" UserId="16704" />
  <row Id="12506" PostId="6026" Score="0" Text="&quot;AI answers must wait until the AI actually understands what it is talking about.&quot; How can one show that the AI actually understands what it is talking about?" CreationDate="2022-12-19T04:22:44.300" UserId="16704" />
  <row Id="12508" PostId="6026" Score="0" Text="@FranckDernoncourt described one paragraph earlier.  The AI filtering linguistic knowledge with experimentation would be a good marker." CreationDate="2022-12-19T08:19:00.100" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="12509" PostId="6027" Score="0" Text="yes. --- Regards" CreationDate="2022-12-19T08:56:54.693" UserId="468501" />
  <row Id="12510" PostId="6028" Score="0" Text="Thanks. But the terms &quot;upvote&quot; and &quot;downvote&quot; are not contained in the intetnet dictionary English/German. Regards." CreationDate="2022-12-19T09:04:49.767" UserId="468501" />
  <row Id="12511" PostId="6028" Score="0" Text="Sorry about that! How about &quot;vote up&quot; or &quot;vote down&quot;? That's the result from clicking one of the gray triangles next to a post's score. The top one points upwards (click it for an upvote); the one below the score points downwards and is for a downvote." CreationDate="2022-12-19T11:52:52.373" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="12512" PostId="6032" Score="1" Text="Thanks for providing all the references Jeff, you're a better librarian that I will ever be :-)" CreationDate="2022-12-19T14:11:34.297" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="12513" PostId="6033" Score="1" Text="Also, [accepting answers](https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/someone-answers) (when appropriate) will often mean future questions attract more interested readers." CreationDate="2022-12-19T14:14:33.297" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="12514" PostId="6022" Score="4" Text="@PhilipCouling do I understand that you're saying an unvetted and potentially wrong answer is better than no answer at all, simply because it _might_ be right?" CreationDate="2022-12-20T01:10:04.613" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="12515" PostId="6024" Score="2" Text="@FranckDernoncourt what's the point of answering a question succinctly in a few words if quoting twenty pages of the relevant documentation will eventually lead a careful, meticulous reader to the right answer?" CreationDate="2022-12-20T01:30:30.893" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="12516" PostId="6024" Score="0" Text="@Wildcard ChatGPT's answers are sometimes succinct." CreationDate="2022-12-20T01:31:50.840" UserId="16704" />
  <row Id="12517" PostId="6024" Score="2" Text="@FranckDernoncourt also, note that I never used the word &quot;rephrase.&quot;  I said you need to take responsibility for every word of your answer being what YOU want to communicate.  I define the phrase &quot;in your own words&quot; to mean &quot;in words you yourself would use.&quot;  Anyway, if you think it's an absolutely perfect explanation and perfect wording that can't be improved upon, then quote it directly *and say you are doing so* and also mention that you can't say it any better yourself.  That's already what we would do with any other source of information if the explanation were perfect." CreationDate="2022-12-20T01:33:37.063" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="12519" PostId="6024" Score="0" Text="@Wildcard sounds good" CreationDate="2022-12-20T01:37:35.490" UserId="16704" />
  <row Id="12521" PostId="6022" Score="0" Text="@roaima no that's not what i meant. I wouldn't call such things answers. They should not be rendered as answers. But that's not to say that such AI is no better than a stopped clock (&quot;might be right&quot; ... it is twice a day). I think the debate about wether or not there is a place for such tools at all is much more nuanced.  We rather assume most people do a google search before coming here, yet Google's engine is ultimately no better conceptually (except it cites its sources)" CreationDate="2022-12-20T09:16:47.940" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="12522" PostId="6022" Score="0" Text="&quot;_We rather assume most people do a google search before coming here_&quot; that's optimistic of you :-(" CreationDate="2022-12-20T09:33:19.597" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="12523" PostId="6034" Score="0" Text="Thanks, thus I anderstand have to wait to become unblocked. Regards." CreationDate="2022-12-20T19:26:34.547" UserId="468501" />
  <row Id="12524" PostId="6034" Score="0" Text="@Kusalananda (or any other mod around) Could you help ? I just fail to understand. User Anton Wessel is being blocked ? (Whatever the reason, for)" CreationDate="2022-12-20T22:57:42.213" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="12526" PostId="6032" Score="0" Text="The majority of your links I did see already while searching and are referring to Questions not Answers but thanks for responding and for the other context, I will review &amp; reflect." CreationDate="2022-12-21T04:00:37.327" UserId="432846" />
  <row Id="12527" PostId="6030" Score="0" Text="Thank you for responding to my question. I will review &amp; reflect." CreationDate="2022-12-21T04:01:17.370" UserId="432846" />
  <row Id="12528" PostId="6030" Score="1" Text="With regards to &quot;I would also avoid &quot;This worked for me when solving a different issue and here's my code for that&quot; - in fact these are the answers that most frequently help me when I am myself stuck with the trickiest problems. There are so many variations in IT, coding, &amp; computing that that same or very similar symptoms can often be caused and solved by many different methods. And for the same reason, a method that previously worked may not work in an identical looking situation, hence it is very useful to have multiple answers and solutions to the same question." CreationDate="2022-12-21T04:08:31.887" UserId="432846" />
  <row Id="12529" PostId="6030" Score="0" Text="@Gostega I would still say that it would be more useful to have each possible issue as a separate question. If the issue is found to have the identical cause and solution to another issue, then the issue is a duplicate, and we can mark it as such. What we try to get is specific answers to specific questions." CreationDate="2022-12-21T04:12:55.383" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="12530" PostId="6032" Score="1" Text="FWIW, while it's not possible to require downvoters to leave comments, I still think the system should allow accompanying downvotes with a written &quot;objection&quot; tagged to the downvote itself, not just as a comment that's technically totally distinct to the downvote and can get lost within other comments or deleted at whim." CreationDate="2022-12-21T14:43:26.730" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="12531" PostId="6032" Score="0" Text="That sounds like it could be useful, @ilkkachu! I miss the (client-side) plugin that would go through my downvotes and report which had been edited after my vote was cast -- as a convenient way to see if the issues had been repaired. Your idea sounds similar -- an easy way to identify the problem with an answer and then un-do it. Sounds like it would take some coding to create that separate pipeline of: issue DV &amp; objection -&gt; edit -&gt; review -&gt; clear." CreationDate="2022-12-21T15:42:43.667" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="12532" PostId="6032" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller, I was mostly thinking of that for the sake of future users reading the answers too." CreationDate="2022-12-21T18:25:06.087" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="12533" PostId="6034" Score="1" Text="@MC68020 once a user has asked several questions in quick succession, and those questions have been downvoted, SE blocks that user from opening new questions for a while. See https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/question-bans" CreationDate="2022-12-22T10:31:30.677" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="12534" PostId="6034" Score="0" Text="Thanks @StephenKitt for the info I had missed. Well! From now on, I will think twice before downvoting a question… I just hate giving food to punishing bots." CreationDate="2022-12-22T11:04:56.357" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="12535" PostId="6034" Score="0" Text="@AntonWessel : From the reading of the page Stephen linked to in his comment above, I understand that NO! Don't just *wait&quot; or, you'll have to wait for 6 months. DO rework your questions instead." CreationDate="2022-12-22T11:19:16.250" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="12536" PostId="6035" Score="1" Text="At least for the scp one, `sftp` is already covered in at least one other answer there, so I don't see any point of having yet another answer mentioning it." CreationDate="2022-12-26T17:33:36.483" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="12537" PostId="6035" Score="0" Text="Thanks. I noticed that but there seemed to be an issue with it. I tried their sftp advice and it didn’t work on 8.8." CreationDate="2022-12-26T17:36:45.510" UserId="539604" />
  <row Id="12538" PostId="6035" Score="1" Text="What didn't work exactly? Also: why not edit it to fix it then? As it stands, I don't see how anything in your answer could be all that different from anything the answer does." CreationDate="2022-12-26T20:56:02.420" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="12539" PostId="6029" Score="4" Text="In addition to the answers you got: I reflexively downvote new answers posted on old questions unless they add significant value (90+% of them are blatant plagiarism of an existing answer). I probably would have let yours go personally, but I'm not super shocked someone else felt differently." CreationDate="2022-12-27T15:17:56.797" UserId="308460" />
  <row Id="12540" PostId="6036" Score="0" Text="I don't think I've seen such a thing; the closest I've seen are footnote numbers collected at the bottom and referred to by &quot;sup&quot; tags." CreationDate="2022-12-27T16:44:31.673" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="12541" PostId="6023" Score="0" Text="&quot;It is clear from what we've seen on the site so far that AIs are not yet at that point though&quot; what examples can you show about this? Because I haven't seen actual AI answers at all (yes, it's pedantic, but it shows how little we are knowing about the topic)." CreationDate="2022-12-27T17:01:24.950" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="12542" PostId="6036" Score="2" Text="Unfortunely not, nor any good workaround even that I know of.  [Related MSE question](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/349076/902710) along with [the original request](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/37894/902710)." CreationDate="2022-12-27T17:17:45.107" UserId="432493" />
  <row Id="12543" PostId="6022" Score="0" Text="@roaima I toyed with that idea on my answer, but as a pre-ask thing, rather than after the fact. Unanswered questions can go the way of the dodo instead." CreationDate="2022-12-27T17:26:34.537" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="12544" PostId="6026" Score="0" Text="AI will generate original research the same way other intelligent creatures do. They will observe their surroundings, gather information and make assumptions." CreationDate="2022-12-27T17:38:07.240" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="12545" PostId="6036" Score="2" Text="It isn't. But if you feel it is necessary, I suspect that is a strong indication that you should just post shorter questions." CreationDate="2022-12-27T17:47:54.037" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12546" PostId="6036" Score="0" Text="@NotTheDr01ds : Too bad. But thanks for the links and you are correct, even the *&quot;pretty fragile&quot;* workaround suggested in the last answer of the original request just cannot fit the purpose." CreationDate="2022-12-27T17:48:56.223" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="12547" PostId="6037" Score="0" Text="I hope that there's a way to integrate or embrace this new system, because I'm hearing that it's often *difficult* to spot the incorrect pieces of these generated answers -- that it can require a subject matter expert to do so, which raises the bar considerably in the review queues. I'm curious to see how this all plays out!" CreationDate="2022-12-27T18:01:44.537" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="12548" PostId="6037" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller &quot;that it's often difficult to spot the incorrect pieces of these generated answers -- that it can require a subject matter expert to do so&quot; I hope you understand how irrational that train of thought is. You need to know about the topic to be able to know when the thing is wrong. Expecting someone that doesn't know anything about a topic, to know when someone is saying something wrong is a bad start in the argument. That's why I proposed my solution, there's someone that can immediately verify this by testing: the asker." CreationDate="2022-12-27T18:06:51.260" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="12549" PostId="6036" Score="0" Text="You are dead right @terdon. However, the simplest the problem is in my mind, the shorter the question. And questions that I am likely to ask here relate to problems that are too complicated for my mind, this being most probably because… I have not even been able to word them simply… to myself at first... ;-)" CreationDate="2022-12-27T18:19:09.120" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="12550" PostId="6032" Score="0" Text="Note, that while Jon comment seems sensible, it has other results: accusations or mistreatment of the commenter by author of the post. Also, Shog own anecdote where an answerer usually selected the best action (fix or remove) to the post when no comment went with the downvote." CreationDate="2022-12-27T19:20:47.753" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="12551" PostId="6037" Score="0" Text="Ahhh, sorry for the confusion. I slipped between two ideas: (1) yours of using the program during asking, and then (2) the concern over using it to generate answers." CreationDate="2022-12-27T19:49:26.157" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="12552" PostId="6023" Score="0" Text="@Braiam There are several answers (somewhere between 10 and 20) that were clearly from ChatGPT, which are now deleted due to being inaccurate and due to the user(s) not being able to correct them or even respond when asked about them. It would not be proper of me to expose the users doing this. We have been deleting these when it's clear they are incorrect, and they have started collecting deletion votes. There is right now one not deleted answer that clearly labels itself as from ChatGPT: [$PS1 vs $PROMPT\_COMMAND in bash?](https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/728019)" CreationDate="2022-12-27T20:34:27.737" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="12553" PostId="6021" Score="2" Text="Now all we need an AI that can spot AI answers. Problem solved ^^." CreationDate="2022-12-27T20:43:09.390" UserId="338177" />
  <row Id="12554" PostId="6023" Score="0" Text="@Braiam Moderators from other sites have also tipped us off about users employing ChatGPT for answers (and, in a couple of cases, questions). These are usually from users that post a large amount of generated answers on various sites (on topics ranging from cooking to astrophysics and interpersonal relations) within a ridiculously short timespan. The answers are usually junk and, therefore, a waste of review time. Most answers follow a similar formula, making it easy to spot them." CreationDate="2022-12-27T20:43:17.867" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="12555" PostId="6023" Score="0" Text="@Kusalananda When I said &quot;I haven't seen actual AI&quot; I'm explicitly excluding chatGPT, since it isn't AI. It's machine learning. Also, the fact that it's only 20 in the worse case, and all of them wrong is very low despite being such a &quot;big problem&quot; that requires &quot;immediate&quot; attention. ChatGPT is capable of generating right and wrong answers (like humans), BTW, the answer that you linked is correct and avoids inserting personal preferences like the other answer does. Basically, it's neutral providing only the information asked (right or wrong)." CreationDate="2022-12-28T15:06:31.547" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="12556" PostId="6023" Score="0" Text="@Kusalananda &quot;The answers are usually junk and, therefore, a waste of review time&quot;, I mean, it's usually like that before if you take your time in any review queue, just that the effort to write seemly coherently them is lower. As I said in my answer, I've managed to extract actual good information, better written that I could do it. If the answer is incorrect, we expect votes to reflect that (although, from the answer you linked, it seems that humans can't see past their own pettiness :/)" CreationDate="2022-12-28T15:10:59.850" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="12557" PostId="6036" Score="1" Text="I think your `#:~:text=` workaround is [not standard yet](https://wicg.github.io/scroll-to-text-fragment/) and isn't (fully) supported in Firefox." CreationDate="2022-12-28T15:46:35.333" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="12558" PostId="6036" Score="0" Text="Thanks @muru , as usual you are correct. Nevermind it is far too laborious to implement." CreationDate="2022-12-28T17:07:24.623" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="12559" PostId="6038" Score="0" Text="&quot;machines are fundamentally unable to understand the full context of the question or answer&quot; except that this is something that the asker must provide either way. So, if a machine can me misled to provide a incomplete/wrong answer, so could a human." CreationDate="2022-12-29T19:53:18.117" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="12560" PostId="6038" Score="0" Text="@Braiam, while humans can be misled to provide an incomplete/wrong answer, other humans are able to challenge and engage with said human. Said humans can have a real discourse. Even if the machine could change its own algorithms and build new neural networks in real time, would it be true learning or would it be more mimicry and guessing?" CreationDate="2022-12-29T20:18:28.690" UserId="171409" />
  <row Id="12561" PostId="6038" Score="0" Text="Yeah, sadly chatgpt is too &quot;polite&quot; to challenge you on your assumptions, but I would argue that most humans are too &quot;sensitive&quot; when someone challenge the framing of their questions. So, having these two together while allowing everyone else to challenge/be challenged on the actual site seems like a win to me. (BTW, that would serve to train better the model, so it challenges your assumptions too, double win)." CreationDate="2022-12-30T12:35:07.980" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="12562" PostId="6038" Score="1" Text="@Braiam, in the case of ChatGPT, the model is already trained and is not going to grow from additional data. In a sense, it's frozen in time and cannot benefit from new information until a new version is released, and that's only if the ChatGPT overlords implement changes based on feedback--and on the scale of answering Internet answers, I could almost guarantee 99% of ChatGPT incorrect answers will go unaddressed. At least with sensitive humans, we can flag and downvote the nasty ones." CreationDate="2022-12-30T22:27:51.127" UserId="171409" />
  <row Id="12563" PostId="6024" Score="4" Text="I would be in favor of a complete ban. What's the point in posting AI-generated answers, or even worse, chatGPT-generated ones which don't even have an AI behind them, even with attribution? That just wastes everyone's time since we still need to check that the machine actually wrote something useful and if anyone wants to know what chatGPT would have said, they can go and ask it. So why post them here?" CreationDate="2022-12-31T17:52:04.320" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12564" PostId="6021" Score="0" Text="OpenAI is supposedly working on a statistical / cryptographic &quot;watermark&quot; for ChatGPT, so it would be possible to spot AI answers by checking for that watermark, if they give us a means to do so. Of course, it would also be possible to remove the watermark by running the output through a program to adjust it." CreationDate="2023-01-01T15:32:04.377" UserId="39281" />
  <row Id="12565" PostId="6041" Score="0" Text="&quot;is their high rate of inaccuracy disguised in a good-looking form.&quot; [citation needed]" CreationDate="2023-01-10T14:01:40.527" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="12566" PostId="6041" Score="0" Text="@Braiam Only rephrased from [the SO announcement](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/421831/5958455), the 3rd paragraph, beginning with *The primary problem*." CreationDate="2023-01-10T16:20:57.907" UserId="211239" />
  <row Id="12567" PostId="6041" Score="0" Text="Which is, as unsubstantiated from the get go. If you are going to use someone as a source, make sure that the source's source check out. BTW, the only example of ChatGPT on this site [was a mostly correct answer](https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/728019/41104)." CreationDate="2023-01-11T17:06:51.020" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="12568" PostId="6038" Score="0" Text="That presumes that a important part of chatgpt answers are wrong. And as noted elsewhere by a moderator, the only answer provided by chatGPT was [&quot;mostly correct&quot;](https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/728019/41104)" CreationDate="2023-01-11T17:10:08.693" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="12569" PostId="6021" Score="0" Text="ChatGPT is basically just predictive text, and easily wrong in detail. But its output - **NOT “generated” but _transformed_ content** - is a derivative of all of its inputs, and therefore usually illegal. I _fully_ support the blanket ban on ML (so-called “AI”) content." CreationDate="2023-01-13T20:32:13.140" UserId="43720" />
  <row Id="12570" PostId="6024" Score="1" Text="The U&amp;L community has spoken!" CreationDate="2023-01-15T15:20:30.663" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="12571" PostId="6024" Score="1" Text="@JeffSchaller : Errr ??? Could you please provide more details about the rationale leading to such statement / judgement ? (Being said that I do not necessarily disagree with this answer in particular and of course do not challenge the authority of the OP to accept one answer.)" CreationDate="2023-01-17T23:30:16.200" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="12572" PostId="6024" Score="0" Text="@MC68020 I would have thought it's obvious; just look at the vote counts." CreationDate="2023-01-17T23:32:13.647" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="12573" PostId="6024" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller : It was indeed too obvious. Hence my question since… you just cannot draw such a conclusion from that count. Fact is that 36(+1) voted for strong ban **but** ~500K-37 more or less implicitly said that… they just do not care. Beware! Once again, I would not argue against U&amp;L_SE adopting this position as a policy (my personal POV being not that far from Wildacard's one). But this would remain an arbitrary decision. Not a decision that could be presented as supported by the community." CreationDate="2023-01-18T17:16:57.680" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="12574" PostId="6024" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller : On a side (ethical) note regarding the community reduced to the users having voted… I am left disappointed by the fact that the strong answer is upvoted twice as much as the question. Thank you and +1 for having asked anyway." CreationDate="2023-01-18T17:31:30.203" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="12575" PostId="6024" Score="2" Text="@MC68020 this is just the way meta in particular, and voting in general, works: if you don't vote, your voice isn't heard. This is imperfect, but it's the best we can do. And, actually, this is among the better cases where quite a few people have voted. This is how community support has always been measured and, imperfect as it is, it's the best we have." CreationDate="2023-01-18T18:48:08.537" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12576" PostId="6024" Score="2" Text="@MC68020 After a month of this Meta question being featured, we've accumulated 9 answers/perspectives, none of which appear to me to have *any* support for allowing ChatGPT-generated answers. It's important, like you said, to keep in mind that only a small subset of active users (who are themselves a small subset of site visitors) actually vote or participate on Meta, but like terdon said, it's the best we have. I'm confused; are you seeing support for *allowing* ChatGPT-generated answers here?" CreationDate="2023-01-18T19:52:01.440" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="12577" PostId="6037" Score="1" Text="ChatGPT generates confident-sounding nonsense.  In the realm of computer programming or technical measures, its answers are wrong and usually meaningless.  I recently went through several &quot;recommendations for improvement&quot; that a colleague generated with ChatGPT for a piece of open source code; literally all of them were nonsense.  Plausible sounding, but actually meaningless when inspected.  It would be an EXTREME disservice to our users to put this sort of nonsense in front of them when they come here for help." CreationDate="2023-01-18T21:29:22.860" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="12578" PostId="6021" Score="3" Text="@mirabilos It is generated. &quot;Transform&quot; would mean that ChatGPT stores the training dataset and later draws from it when answering questions. But it doesn't do that. It learns and then later generates answers from what it has learned. If this is transformation then human answers are also transformations. But I agree that it is just a text prediction system and it can easily generate wrong answers while sounding very confident." CreationDate="2023-01-19T21:57:11.467" UserId="52091" />
  <row Id="12579" PostId="6037" Score="0" Text="@Wildcard I imagine that you have lots of examples. Because examples I've seen of chatgpt being wrong is a) because most people are actually wrong and chatgpt parrots it back, b) some strange fixation with peregrine falcons, c) not knowing how to count. Otherwise, it has demonstrated to be a powerful tool for both, IT, non-IT question I know the correct answer and to bounce ideas off." CreationDate="2023-01-20T01:02:53.417" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="12580" PostId="6024" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller what the heck? Count mine as a strong opposition towards any sort of banning. Not only because it's basically reactionary, but more importantly, every one here is taking decisions based on gut feelings and WE should be above that. I strongly recommend everyone involved to actually use the thing, and ask all sort of questions and try to gather evidence, because for me it has been a very useful tool for all sort of tasks where it can even replace google (if the servers work)." CreationDate="2023-01-20T01:06:06.967" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="12581" PostId="6021" Score="0" Text="@user31389 do you have examples of generating wrong answers?" CreationDate="2023-01-20T01:11:39.893" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="12582" PostId="6021" Score="1" Text="@Braiam See these links for examples of mistakes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ChatGPT#Negative_reactions https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/zd7l8t/nice/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/zpabrh/this_is_far_and_away_the_best_thing_ive_ever_had/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/101e454/chatgpt_cant_write_sentences_that_end_with_a/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/10g6k7u/truly_bizarre_chatgpt_mistake_it_kept/ https://www.aiweirdness.com/botsplaining/ https://www.aiweirdness.com/baltimore-orioles-effect/" CreationDate="2023-01-20T01:37:41.507" UserId="52091" />
  <row Id="12583" PostId="6024" Score="4" Text="I'm with banning chatGPT. If you want to ask that bot, go ask it directly instead of here. Forums are meant to ask human experts for help, not AI that doesn't know what it says and may write answers that sound right but are actually wrong.&#xA;&#xA;Until the AI scene changes and the AI becomes so good at answering like human experts, the ban should stay." CreationDate="2023-01-20T07:48:24.280" UserId="486053" />
  <row Id="12585" PostId="6024" Score="0" Text="@Braiam By banning generated answers, we follow in the general direction of other SE sites. See e.g. [SO](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/421831/temporary-policy-chatgpt-is-banned?cb=1), [SU](https://meta.superuser.com/questions/14862/use-of-chatgpt-is-now-banned-on-super-user), [AU](https://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/20209/announcement-ai-generated-content-temporarily-banned-on-ask-ubuntu?cb=1), and [SF](https://meta.serverfault.com/questions/9845/chatgpt-answers-not-permitted)." CreationDate="2023-01-20T15:06:37.340" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="12589" PostId="6024" Score="0" Text="@Kusalananda so, we should just blindly follow someone else path or think critically what that path we believe best. I've been using chatgpt since early the year, and most of the time it gives correct answers, maybe not the best, but generally correct." CreationDate="2023-01-20T21:43:24.220" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="12590" PostId="6021" Score="0" Text="@user31389 I expect examples of Stack Exchange questions and answers, or at least Questions and answers. Those are just conversations, not inline with the format of the sites." CreationDate="2023-01-20T21:45:41.730" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="12591" PostId="6024" Score="4" Text="@Braiam So far, what I have seen on the site, and what I have seen by directly interacting with ChatGPT, is that it gives professionally looking, convincing, wrong answers. They are wrong often enough that I'm totally ok with a blanked ban. We don't want ChatGPT-generated code in people's production environments. You may possibly personally not blindly trust ChatGPT, but you can be absolutely sure that many of our visitors here blindly trusts the code that they find on the site, no matter whether they understand the code or not." CreationDate="2023-01-20T22:08:55.320" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="12595" PostId="4151" Score="2" Text="There also has been at least one recent post where the commentator explicitly said the this was not a complete answer but he did not have time to expand on it. He gave anybody permission to poach the comment and gain the rep for the answer. Similar to what @MartyFried is suggesting." CreationDate="2023-01-21T14:11:44.707" UserId="21334" />
  <row Id="12596" PostId="6046" Score="0" Text="I rolled back your edits to the original question: https://unix.stackexchange.com/q/732625/70524 Please see https://unix.stackexchange.com/editing-help on how to format properly." CreationDate="2023-01-22T06:56:30.630" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="12598" PostId="6047" Score="1" Text="There should be a delete-link below each of your posts. Using that, you should be able to delete your [previous post](https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/732625/) and this post. Or a moderator can help you. All good." CreationDate="2023-01-22T09:42:37.347" UserId="332764" />
  <row Id="12599" PostId="6047" Score="0" Text="@ Freddy : Many Thanks!" CreationDate="2023-01-22T09:46:25.323" UserId="557471" />
  <row Id="12603" PostId="6021" Score="0" Text="@user31389 no, it’s transformed. “Transform” does not mean it stores the training dataset literally; it’s sufficient that it stores the training dataset in a transformed form (which is executed by software running on a deterministic computer). People have been able to extract sufficiently detailled traning data from these systems, which proves that this is enough." CreationDate="2023-01-23T22:11:32.843" UserId="43720" />
  <row Id="12604" PostId="6049" Score="0" Text="Synonym created, &quot;containers&quot; merged into &quot;container&quot;." CreationDate="2023-01-26T08:46:56.193" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="12605" PostId="6050" Score="1" Text="Interesting! Thanks. I discover that apparently bounties can be cancelled. In which (I imagine particularly extreme) case ?" CreationDate="2023-01-27T22:40:25.753" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="12610" PostId="6050" Score="0" Text="Indeed; https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/16067/307535 says &quot;No. Once you start a bounty, you cannot cancel it. If you feel there are exceptional circumstances, flag the question for moderator attention to explain the situation.&quot;." CreationDate="2023-01-30T20:01:27.697" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="12611" PostId="6053" Score="1" Text="For what it's worth, I have attached this tag (one of them, don't remember which) to questions where the user wants to do something as an ordinary user which usually (or which they think) requires elevated privileges. The tag could be attached to question relating to configuration or package installation questions, for example, where the user does not have root access. I definitely do see some use in keeping one of the tags around." CreationDate="2023-01-30T23:38:40.850" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="12612" PostId="6053" Score="0" Text="@Kusalananda : I of course do not blame you (or any user human being introducing the tags) Aristoteles himself acted more or less identically… for… a limited period of time. ;-)" CreationDate="2023-01-31T00:11:43.213" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="12613" PostId="6053" Score="2" Text="If I'm reading you correctly, one of your points is that the volume in the non-root-user &amp; not-root-user tags is small. It's on page 9 **of 81** of the most popular tags, so there could certainly be a good conversation about *when* we want to introduce new tags, but I believe AdminBee's suggestion here *improves* the situation by consolidating two similar tags." CreationDate="2023-01-31T12:55:45.020" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="12614" PostId="6053" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller : You indeed read correctly **one** of my **three** points. Based on this one only… I would consequently have written that at least 100*(81-9)/81 percent of the tags should be deleted, I did not, did I ? Moreover, I neither downvoted AdminBee's suggestion nor your answer. Meaning that I do as well believe this could improve the situation. But… only doing… half of the job." CreationDate="2023-02-01T18:44:04.567" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="12615" PostId="6055" Score="1" Text="For the system itsel, having an answer with a positive score is enough to mark the question as &quot;answered&quot;. Accepting an answer is just a bonus." CreationDate="2023-02-06T05:13:41.550" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="12616" PostId="6055" Score="0" Text="fair enough...." CreationDate="2023-02-06T13:43:17.150" UserId="6030" />
  <row Id="12617" PostId="6056" Score="0" Text="Dear Kusalananda, thank you for the time/effort in writing such well written and good response. Although I disagree, it let me thinking and gave me an insight on how I disagree. I do not disagree on the exposed logic, and I realize there is something missing that could improve the website. I would write another question, as such idea is completely different, but here is as good as anywhere to start a conversation. The missing part is what is called in some places &quot;editors choice&quot;, or here &quot;mods choice&quot;. We could have a dark-orange accepted answer to indicate that it's not the green &quot;OP-choice&quot;" CreationDate="2023-02-06T13:46:51.237" UserId="6030" />
  <row Id="12618" PostId="6055" Score="4" Text="Does this answer your question? [Gone user, answer accepted by the community](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5851/gone-user-answer-accepted-by-the-community)" CreationDate="2023-02-06T15:14:00.590" UserId="377345" />
  <row Id="12619" PostId="6056" Score="1" Text="@DrBeco But isn't the fact that one answer is up-voted more than the others and by default shown at the top already a sort of &quot;reader's choice&quot;?" CreationDate="2023-02-06T16:39:15.267" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="12620" PostId="6057" Score="13" Text="Aww, thanks! For obvious reasons I will not offer an opinion on whether this is on topic and will leave that to the community. No matter what the voting decides on whether posting this is appropriate, I can tell you that I, at least, appreciate the sentiment behind it :)" CreationDate="2023-02-06T18:53:27.623" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="12621" PostId="6055" Score="1" Text="Thanks @AdminBee. It was good to read a diverse opinion and different scenario with similar consequences. I clicked &quot;no&quot; just because there it asks for the community accepting the answer. In my comments in the accepted answer here, I tried to develop the idea of a &quot;mods answer&quot;. Also, there the discussion went on to &quot;readers choice&quot; by most voted, which is a bit different. But ok, no need to go forward in this, as it was just a small suggestion. Thanks a lot." CreationDate="2023-02-07T01:22:48.923" UserId="6030" />
  <row Id="12622" PostId="6058" Score="7" Text="We are not only &quot;askers&quot; and &quot;answerers&quot;, we are human in the end, a community of humans. I think it's only healthy from time to time to express that humanity, and the best of it like being thankful. (Well, except bots and AI ^^)." CreationDate="2023-02-09T17:21:49.717" UserId="338177" />
  <row Id="12623" PostId="6060" Score="1" Text="Why does it need a separate tag? Shouldn't [networking] + tag-for-the-OS be enough?" CreationDate="2023-02-15T19:49:13.030" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="12624" PostId="6064" Score="1" Text="Relating, on the main Meta: https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/251636/410681. I am also under the impression that comments saying &quot;tank you&quot; with no other relevant content are deleted automatically as soon as they are flagged." CreationDate="2023-03-01T15:17:57.640" UserId="315749" />
  <row Id="12625" PostId="6064" Score="0" Text="must resist temptation to flag fra-san's comment... :)" CreationDate="2023-03-01T21:10:13.440" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="13624" PostId="7064" Score="2" Text="Answers should not be posted in the comments. Did you post an answer in the comments?" CreationDate="2023-03-02T12:29:39.527" UserId="83513" />
  <row Id="13625" PostId="7064" Score="0" Text="@Mast looks like the issue was &quot;Link only comment&quot;, probably someone flagged. OP posted a new comment with context and it's not deleted." CreationDate="2023-03-02T12:32:32.843" UserId="62992" />
  <row Id="13626" PostId="7064" Score="0" Text="I know. I'm not sure there is an answer in the link. I think: &quot;The potential answer to the question is very complex and is out of scope&quot;. See the link and tell me. Would you accept this as an answer?" CreationDate="2023-03-02T12:36:21.397" UserId="117721" />
  <row Id="13627" PostId="7064" Score="2" Text="There are currently no deleted comments associated with that question.  There is a deleted answer with a comment from you though. The answer was not deleted by a moderator, but by the answer owner." CreationDate="2023-03-02T12:48:26.677" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="13628" PostId="7064" Score="0" Text="Thank you. I apologize if this is my mess. I added the link to the comment again." CreationDate="2023-03-02T13:15:06.840" UserId="117721" />
  <row Id="13629" PostId="7064" Score="0" Text="I have one more question. Imagine, I remember I commented on some question or answer and I can't find my comment anymore either in the questions and answers or in the lists of my comments. How should I know what happened?" CreationDate="2023-03-02T13:23:50.123" UserId="117721" />
  <row Id="13630" PostId="7064" Score="0" Text="Comments are &quot;temporary post-it notes&quot; intended to clarify the Question or Answer they're attached to. I thank that SE intends for comments to disappear; as such, there's currently no way for you to view your deleted comments." CreationDate="2023-03-02T13:51:50.407" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="13631" PostId="6065" Score="0" Text="If the comment is _new_, I may sometimes leave it simmering for a while, even if I see the flag as it is raised.  This is to ensure that all involved parties have read the comment (or at least give them a chance to do so). _Old_ comments with &quot;No longer needed&quot; flags are usually removed immediately as I see them, if apropriate." CreationDate="2023-03-02T20:07:04.493" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="13632" PostId="7066" Score="2" Text="Does this answer your question? [Appropriate action to undertake when the real problem is not related to the question](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5979/appropriate-action-to-undertake-when-the-real-problem-is-not-related-to-the-ques)" CreationDate="2023-03-06T11:59:10.957" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="13633" PostId="7066" Score="0" Text="The *question* is different, but I think my answer there applies here too." CreationDate="2023-03-06T11:59:47.167" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="13634" PostId="7065" Score="3" Text="With the caveat that “gone for good” isn’t true ;-)." CreationDate="2023-03-07T17:54:05.690" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="13635" PostId="5669" Score="1" Text="@rwarvi muru is still not a moderator." CreationDate="2023-03-13T07:31:54.453" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="13636" PostId="6024" Score="0" Text="@Kusalananda and yet the only example that I've seen on this site is precisely ChatGPT being right about everything but a specific claim. You are telling me to trust your experience with ChatGPT, sadly I cannot do that, since it also contradicts my own experience. Please, show the examples on this site. I have 10k so I can see deleted posts anyways." CreationDate="2023-03-14T18:41:38.377" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="13637" PostId="6024" Score="0" Text="@Braiam We have multiple users that have had answers deleted due to this new policy, posts are continuously being flagged for attention by users of this site as well as by moderators on other sites. A new trend is to use ChatGPT to propagate spam; This is done by generating an answer with ChatGPT and then modifying URLs in the answer to point to spam target sites. I think you agree that I would damage the trust of the community by exposing individual users and that it would arguably also break the [moderator agreement](https://unix.stackexchange.com/legal/moderator-agreement)." CreationDate="2023-03-14T18:51:43.353" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="13638" PostId="6024" Score="0" Text="@Kusalananda no, it would not. I can see [all post deleted withing the last 30 days](https://unix.stackexchange.com/tools?tab=delete&amp;daterange=last30days), which include full text. But I can't discern which are deleted for this reason. Also, post being deleted by the policy doesn't make the policy valid. Examples of the policy being applied, and whenever or not that application fulfill the overall goals of the site are required to discuss whenever the policy is fulfilling the goals. I can make a request of information to CM if you would like, but that would take more time..." CreationDate="2023-03-15T15:22:21.707" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="13639" PostId="6024" Score="0" Text="and you already have the information at hand. You are not disclosing information that isn't already available to me, and you aren't any information that would lead to violation of the moderator agreements. Ask in the teachers lounge if you do not believe me. &quot;Is showing examples of post deleted as violating a policy a moderator agreement violation?&quot; I would be surprised if the consensus answer is &quot;no, it's not&quot;." CreationDate="2023-03-15T15:24:05.207" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="13640" PostId="6024" Score="2" Text="@Braiam I will not change a policy based on your personal wants, nor will I be forced to do something that don't think is right. Please take this to the community managers." CreationDate="2023-03-15T15:26:09.163" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="13641" PostId="6024" Score="0" Text="@Braiam I think it's not constructive to go looking for posts that have been flagged and deleted under this policy. I'm happy that you've had good experiences with the ChatGPT product, but the U&amp;L community has spoken out against using it to provide answers here. If you'd like to change that policy, then I think a separate Question or Answer would be appropriate, to give the space for that discussion. If you'd like to use ChatGPT to assist with your on-site answers, that's up to you -- provided you attribute the content appropriately." CreationDate="2023-03-15T16:28:28.177" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="13642" PostId="6024" Score="0" Text="@Kusalananda I'm not asking you to change the policy, I'm asking you to provide examples of the worthiness of said policy. The entire discussion on this post was predicated on the single example of [a mostly correct answer](https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/728019/41104). I've not seen examples of either way on this site of it being flat out wrong, and I'm just asking for them." CreationDate="2023-03-15T16:32:08.957" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="13643" PostId="6024" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller and did so in the worse way possible: going with their guts! We are supposed to be a site that values correctness and facts over opinions and feelings, yet we took a decision based on the later ones. Also, if I want to challenge said policies I want to challenge them also with data, since whatever the argument would be made will have at least be objective and well supported." CreationDate="2023-03-15T16:36:40.910" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="13644" PostId="6024" Score="0" Text="@Braiam You suggested making a request to the CMs. Please go ahead with that." CreationDate="2023-03-15T16:42:21.697" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="13645" PostId="6024" Score="0" Text="@Kusalananda what annotation you add to post deleted for being chatgpt answers, so that CM's knows what to search for?" CreationDate="2023-03-15T16:50:20.883" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="13646" PostId="6024" Score="0" Text="@Braiam I tend to add a comment. When there is no reaction from the user for a couple of days, I delete the answer. The other moderators may not be so &quot;nice&quot;." CreationDate="2023-03-15T16:53:10.053" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="13647" PostId="6024" Score="2" Text="@Braiam I'm afraid we're probably looking at different aspects of this, here. The bulk of the opposition that I'm seeing in the answers here are not that the answers are necessarily *incorrect*, but are about attribution, original research, and *appearance* of authority, causing extra work for reviewers and future readers to suss out the truth. A plagiarised &quot;correct&quot; answer is still unacceptable, which -- for me -- is the source of the concern. (1/2)" CreationDate="2023-03-15T16:55:02.310" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="13648" PostId="6024" Score="5" Text="If a person can't personally explain, defend, and update their answer, then it isn't *their* answer. Having ownership of a Question and Answer is central to SE's model. (2/2)" CreationDate="2023-03-15T16:55:08.220" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="13649" PostId="6024" Score="0" Text="@Braiam to jump into the other question you posted, there's no special annotation for CGPT-deleted posts. They're usually flagged by someone in the U&amp;L community and then researched by one of us, then kept or deleted. If I was a CM looking for them, I'd hope for a way to search for recent flags that mention &quot;CGPT&quot; or &quot;ChatGPT&quot; or some other combination." CreationDate="2023-03-15T17:00:49.680" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="13650" PostId="6024" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller but the policy isn't about attribution, it's about &quot;every generated answer, with or without attribution&quot; (see this [comment here](https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/730654/syslog-application/734791#comment1394908_734791) by Kusalananda). It doesn't say anything about lacking attribution (it had attribution). So, maybe you all should clarify when are chatgpt answers acceptable, and update the policy about it." CreationDate="2023-03-15T17:12:52.047" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="13651" PostId="6024" Score="2" Text="@Braiam plagiarism isn't acceptable. Period. Whether you are presenting a machine's work or another human's work as your own makes no difference. You are still pretending that you wrote something you did not write and that isn't welcome here and never has been. Even if CGPT were 100% accurate every time, we _still_ shouldn't allow it to post answers here. If it were always right, then we would close down the site, but we wouldn't act as a frontend to CGPT. Anyone who wants to ask CGPT is free to do so, but people come here to get answers from actual human experts." CreationDate="2023-03-15T18:37:18.427" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="13652" PostId="6024" Score="0" Text="@Braiam if ChatGPT answers are so great, then you should be delighted to see them all correctly attributed up front to ChatGPT.  Then people's experience with the reliability of these answers will gradually lead them to place great confidence in ChatGPT, and to look for the ChatGPT-attributed answers by preference, or just to go ask ChatGPT directly in the first place.  That's **IF** you really believe ChatGPT answers are so great.  I don't understand how you can simultaneously (a) believe ChatGPT is highly reliable and (b) object to a ban on *unattributed* ChatGPT answers." CreationDate="2023-03-15T23:39:48.673" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="13653" PostId="6024" Score="1" Text="@Braiam if you think ChatGPT is wonderful and reliable, how about you go and find some questions that you are knowledgeable enough to answer yourself, and then answer them with the assistance of ChatGPT: carefully assess the accuracy of the answer, say that you have done so, indicate any manual tests or other validation you've done on the ChatGPT answer, and then provide in a block quote the info you received from ChatGPT that you think is so valuable that you couldn't explain it better yourself.  See (by answer vote counts) if that actually fits the needs of this community." CreationDate="2023-03-15T23:43:27.690" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="13654" PostId="6024" Score="0" Text="@terdon are you actively being misleading? The answerer disclosed from where it got the information, yet the moderator ignored that and commented. I'm not saying that plagiarism is ok, and attribute is required, but lets not kid ourselves thinking that that's what we are doing here. If the problem is attribution, then answers that disclose attribution should be ok. That comment makes it looks like it's not, and there's reason to believe that the policy is applied irrespective of disclosure." CreationDate="2023-03-16T15:46:52.207" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="13655" PostId="6024" Score="0" Text="@Wildcard &quot;then you should be delighted to see them all correctly attributed up front to ChatGPT&quot; except that the way I see this policy applied is &quot;we delete chatgpt generated answers&quot;. No matter attribution, factually correctness, etc. just if A then B. That's the kind of policy I am against as a matter of principle. If I post a ChatGPT generated correct answer with disclosure, my answer should be in good standing on this site because we value factually correct information above everything else, do we not?" CreationDate="2023-03-16T15:49:35.203" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="13656" PostId="6024" Score="3" Text="@Braiam I don't understand. You are showing a post that has not been deleted and it wasn't deleted precisely because it has attribution. Now, I would argue that it is still useless and I just don't understand why anyone would post machine-generated answers here: if you want machine generated, go ask the machine. But it isn't breaking the policy as stated and hasn't been deleted. The comment is simply suggesting that it would be _better_ to rewrite. And yes, of course it would be better to rewrite. Same as we do when using any other external source." CreationDate="2023-03-16T16:18:27.597" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="13658" PostId="7071" Score="1" Text="Might be worth looking at https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/375108/cant-post-question-on-stack-overflow-this-looks-like-spam and those links. If I had to guess, your block may be due to the number of &quot;stream&quot; words. I happen to have seen a large influx of streaming-related spam recently (on another SE site), so I wonder if there's an SE mechanism that is blocking your post for that reason." CreationDate="2023-03-20T00:31:52.350" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="13659" PostId="7071" Score="11" Text="This has to be a bug. The question is clearly fine: it's clear, detailed, well formatted and everything!" CreationDate="2023-03-20T11:23:05.217" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="13662" PostId="7071" Score="8" Text="As a temporary workaround, can you post a stub, and then try and edit the full question in? Alternatively, if you can post this as a gist on github or something and link to it, one of the mods or any high rep user can just copy it into your question. If you do this, please also raise a moderator flag, choose the &quot;needs moderator attention&quot; option and just link us to where you have put the full text of the question so we can edit it for you ." CreationDate="2023-03-20T17:00:50.050" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="13663" PostId="7071" Score="2" Text="This reminds me of a similar experience I had way back in 2016.  https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/284812/307622 I bet combination of bad keywords (camera, stream) plus new account result in the block." CreationDate="2023-03-23T22:15:22.017" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="13664" PostId="1261" Score="0" Text="The website now redirects elswhere; https://web.archive.org/web/20061022182653/http://partmaps.org/era/unix/award.html" CreationDate="2023-03-26T07:03:11.057" UserId="172800" />
  <row Id="13665" PostId="1261" Score="1" Text="@user598527 thanks for letting me know, I've updated the link." CreationDate="2023-03-26T11:43:43.267" UserId="1131" />
  <row Id="13666" PostId="7072" Score="1" Text="Maybe even combine [Luuklag's advice](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/375108/cant-post-question-on-stack-overflow-this-looks-like-spam#comment1249585_375108)  of *&quot;cutting part by part from your post until it works&quot;* and then pasting the remainder as an image?" CreationDate="2023-03-29T23:55:58.120" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="13667" PostId="7072" Score="0" Text="... or changing it so that it does not contain the offending terms, once you know what they are." CreationDate="2023-03-31T06:57:45.137" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="13668" PostId="7072" Score="0" Text="No, please don't post as an image. That really isn't helpful. Just post a stub, and then edit the code in, or flag for mod attention and ask us to add it, but posting an image is really not helpful." CreationDate="2023-04-01T16:03:38.323" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="13669" PostId="7073" Score="6" Text="To give you an idea of how welcome this is on U&amp;L, I have 3611 helpful comment flags, and counting ;-)." CreationDate="2023-04-02T19:07:59.713" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="13673" PostId="7076" Score="0" Text="I the particular instance I was discussion in my question, the comment pointed to a passage in documentation that was already linked. My edit was to add a paragraph clarifying why that passage was unhelpful... So to fully understand the mod would have needed to read the question in full, the documentation and the comment. **I guess** what you're saying here is that a custom flag starting &quot;no longer needed&quot; and an explanation might be better?" CreationDate="2023-04-04T09:21:44.273" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="13674" PostId="7076" Score="2" Text="@PhilipCouling If the comment is clearly no longer needed, use &quot;no longer needed&quot;.  If there is a need for an explanation as to why it's no longer needed, then prefer to use &quot;Something else&quot; and leave an explanation. This is if you want to be _maximally helpful_ to us." CreationDate="2023-04-04T09:27:34.387" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="13675" PostId="6024" Score="0" Text="@terdon except that the comment makes sure to not say so. It implies that it will be deleted no matter what. If what you said is correct, the comment serves no purpose." CreationDate="2023-04-04T13:36:59.743" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="13676" PostId="6024" Score="0" Text="@Braiam the comment seems quite clear. It states that there is a policy against AI answers in general, which is true, and says that it would be _better_ to rewrite in the OP's own words. Which is also true. There is no threat, no mention of deletion, no nothing. I don't see how this could possibly &quot;imply that it will be deleted&quot;." CreationDate="2023-04-04T13:46:20.840" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="13677" PostId="6024" Score="0" Text="@terdon and yet, the user used his own words to tell what chatgpt told him: to not use &quot;LOG_ODELAY&quot;. There are not many ways to do that specially if most of it is a quote. The comment serves no purpose because there's no way the user will reword the man page and keep it as a &quot;quote&quot;." CreationDate="2023-04-04T16:45:57.687" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="13678" PostId="7076" Score="1" Text="This leads to what the &quot;steady-state&quot; picture of posts &amp; comments should look like on SE. Comments should relate to the post (in the post's current state) or be incorporated into the post." CreationDate="2023-04-05T01:41:20.720" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="13679" PostId="4484" Score="0" Text="@muru in 2023, those four spaces still don't count towards the six character limit." CreationDate="2023-04-05T14:15:50.393" UserId="39069" />
  <row Id="13680" PostId="4484" Score="0" Text="@JohnMiliter what is the soft hyphen?" CreationDate="2023-04-05T14:16:15.100" UserId="39069" />
  <row Id="13683" PostId="3385" Score="0" Text="The phrase *&quot;I've spent a lot of time thinking about how SE sites should work&quot;* implies something which I think is untrue. I don't believe all SE sites should have a strictly uniform approach. The subject matter of different sites leads to different approaches on how to solve respective problems. On U&amp;L it's not so easy for us to separate an OP's specific situation from the abstract question they wish to ask. So on the topic of of OP's posting partial answers to their own question, I believe different SE sites should have different approaches." CreationDate="2023-04-10T11:29:50.437" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="13686" PostId="7079" Score="3" Text="The “obvious” quick fix doesn’t work: pasting an imgur.com link to re-add the image on SE’s instance results in “Failed to upload image; an error occurred on the server”." CreationDate="2023-04-26T07:24:13.960" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="13687" PostId="7079" Score="2" Text="We have [288 posts with links to `https://i.imgur.com` and score ≥ 1](https://unix.stackexchange.com/search?q=url%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com+score%3A1) which would also be affected." CreationDate="2023-04-26T07:38:38.107" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="13688" PostId="7080" Score="0" Text="The last bit, questions with accepted answers, is `hasaccepted:true`. See also https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/searching  Suggestion for search starting point: https://unix.stackexchange.com/search?q=%5Braid%5D+hasaccepted%3Atrue+views%3A5000+votes%3A10" CreationDate="2023-04-27T06:21:30.517" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="13689" PostId="7080" Score="0" Text="@Kusalananda thank you. However it's not possible to use the obvious filter to find these" CreationDate="2023-04-27T06:42:12.327" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="13691" PostId="7080" Score="0" Text="Mobile now, but https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/searching has some useful operators for this: `answers:1..` and `hasaccepted:yes`" CreationDate="2023-04-28T01:10:27.873" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="13692" PostId="7080" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller thanks. I've updated the text to highlight this isn't a general &quot;how to search&quot; question" CreationDate="2023-04-28T06:53:15.577" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="13693" PostId="7080" Score="0" Text="Gotcha; sorry for the misunderstanding! I should have realized with the [tag:feature-request].  Before I see myself completely out, maybe this would be an opportunity for a canonical RAID Q&amp;A, or perhaps some helpful bits on the [tag wiki](https://unix.stackexchange.com/tags/raid/info)?" CreationDate="2023-04-28T20:09:16.353" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="13695" PostId="7080" Score="0" Text="I would agree that a few extra options in the &quot;filter by&quot; dropdown would help. Particularly having &quot;accepted answers&quot; would give better search results. This is not specific to RAID Q&amp;A but for general searches." CreationDate="2023-04-29T01:36:34.503" UserId="21334" />
  <row Id="13696" PostId="3605" Score="0" Text="Wrote a man who gives users arrogant replies like that https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2068918#p2068918 ." CreationDate="2023-04-30T11:49:43.940" UserId="89346" />
  <row Id="13697" PostId="7079" Score="0" Text="I've done a couple edits. I'm wondering if we tackle the highest-scored and highest viewed posts, if that would save the most useful information. There's a debate about flooding the front page with edits, but a random sampling just now shows the front page turns over in about 7 hours, so that would be a temporary problem." CreationDate="2023-05-02T13:52:26.890" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="13701" PostId="7079" Score="0" Text="... and I forgot about Unix.Meta!" CreationDate="2023-05-04T20:29:56.457" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="13704" PostId="5861" Score="0" Text="updated link: https://www.tuhs.org/pipermail/tuhs/2021-October/024523.html" CreationDate="2023-05-05T14:46:49.143" UserId="68708" />
  <row Id="13707" PostId="7082" Score="2" Text="It would be smart to focus on images that Glorfindel's script *couldn't* re-upload, as the ones that *did* get uploaded will be there after the 15th." CreationDate="2023-05-09T21:22:59.397" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="13709" PostId="7083" Score="1" Text="I suspect Kusalananda will have written this answer a few times. Maybe one of those can be edited to be made more general." CreationDate="2023-05-11T09:44:35.523" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="13710" PostId="7083" Score="0" Text="There are Qs&amp;As like [Is there a robust command line tool for processing csv files?](https://unix.stackexchange.com/q/7425/86440) but they don’t feel like good duplicate targets." CreationDate="2023-05-11T15:13:50.180" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="13713" PostId="7083" Score="1" Text="The problem is that if there were one such canonical question+answer, it would be the duplicate of very few questions, as the only thing that would be &quot;duplicated&quot; is the explanation of why it may be better to use dedicated tools to process structured documents. The actual _issue_ that any one question may present would likely _not_ be a duplicate of that &quot;canonical&quot; question." CreationDate="2023-05-11T19:11:34.297" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="13714" PostId="7083" Score="0" Text="To continue on my previous comment: It would be the &quot;Why is Kali Linux so hard to set up? Why won't people help me?&quot; thing all over again, i.e. a QA that can't be used as a duplicate as its answer doesn't answer any real-life questions, and we should just try to help those people instead or close their questions as unclear (or as dupes of other _real_ questions), whichever is more appropriate." CreationDate="2023-05-11T22:50:51.540" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="13715" PostId="7083" Score="0" Text="@Kusalananda oh, that's an excellent point. Goal is still to *help*, indeed, so we need to address the actual question. Hm. that alone would make your answers worth an answer to this question; but I wonder whether we at least have a &quot;common denominator&quot; Q&amp;A that we could use in an answering context, e.g. &quot;*For why trying to do this with `awk`, `sed` and `grep` is not going to end up being a good investment of anyone's time, please read [[ this answer ]]. Now, regarding your question, `mlr` has the `--do-what-I-want` flag…*&quot;" CreationDate="2023-05-12T18:23:43.913" UserId="106650" />
  <row Id="13719" PostId="7084" Score="1" Text="We could still have a canonical &quot;Why is it a bad idea to parse structured documents with a naive parser?&quot; question and you could post a nice, detailed answer explaining why this is a bad idea. It might not be useful as a dupe target, but it would still be useful as a reference and something to point users to instead of just repeating the point in every answer." CreationDate="2023-05-16T17:43:03.210" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="13720" PostId="7084" Score="0" Text="@terdon This is pretty much what I propose, yes. Although I don't quite see that I would have any monopoly on answering such a question..." CreationDate="2023-05-16T22:55:47.910" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="13721" PostId="7083" Score="0" Text="Related? Seems to be the converse of:  https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2708/lets-compile-a-list-of-canonical-qas" CreationDate="2023-05-18T07:02:10.223" UserId="227738" />
  <row Id="13722" PostId="7084" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the rather comprehensive, and well-formulated, and backed with experience, answer! Fully agree, the goal is to help, and if we can keep the &quot;you shouldn't be doing what you're trying to do&quot; part short that's in everyone's interest. Focussing on *closing* a question as duplicate is wrong – it's not the desirable way to point people at &quot;canonical&quot; resources. Nice!" CreationDate="2023-05-18T11:25:23.503" UserId="106650" />
  <row Id="13723" PostId="7084" Score="1" Text="Regarding the tangent: yes. That. I try to, as often as my time allows, to explain command strings and command line options (gotten a lot of positive feedback on my ASCII-art arrow/explanation schemes), exactly because it's way less useful for future readers, and can be outright dangerous, to just drop uncommented code. Plus, if we really *had* a lot of good generalizable answers, then pointing out that a new question is really a duplicate and linking to it becomes actually more helpful then writing another specific answer." CreationDate="2023-05-18T11:28:54.967" UserId="106650" />
  <row Id="13724" PostId="7084" Score="0" Text="RE: automotive software engineers parsing critical data structures with unsuitable tools: The specific of this is no topic for polite conversation (and much less for public conversation), but having friends working in that sector will cause headaches when you hear what their average colleagues are allowed to check in as code." CreationDate="2023-05-18T11:31:17.890" UserId="106650" />
  <row Id="13728" PostId="7084" Score="0" Text="@MarcusMüller  _&quot;you should not be doing what you are trying to do&quot;_ == &quot;U S N B D W U A T T D&quot; ? Or _&quot;you should not attempt what you are trying to attempt&quot;_  ==  &quot;U S N A W U A T T A&quot; ? Definitely not useful as tag, but an acronym that could be helpful in comments (and chat)." CreationDate="2023-05-24T17:30:21.383" UserId="227738" />
  <row Id="13729" PostId="5726" Score="0" Text="Here's a link to the tag: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/chrome-os" CreationDate="2023-05-26T10:34:20.330" UserId="9041" />
  <row Id="13730" PostId="7087" Score="5" Text="What does &quot;unregistered participation&quot; mean?  I thought you needed an account to participate..." CreationDate="2023-05-29T23:33:53.777" UserId="168757" />
  <row Id="13731" PostId="7087" Score="5" Text="@StephenHarris yes, but there's a distinction; a registered account is tied to an email address (where you receive a verification email of some kind), at which point your account becomes &quot;registered&quot;. Unregistered accounts typically fill in junk for the email address, as many of them have no intention of participating positively; others may simply want anonymity." CreationDate="2023-05-29T23:40:46.383" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="13732" PostId="7087" Score="0" Text="It's been a few years since I registered, so forgive me if I'm fuzzy on the details of the registration process itself. Unregistered users (some would call accounts on each site a &quot;profile&quot;) have a badge next to their name on their profile that says &quot;Unregistered&quot;." CreationDate="2023-05-29T23:42:05.847" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="13733" PostId="7089" Score="7" Text="To paraphrase your final sentence in a pointed way, please don't assume I'm intending this as sharply as you formulated that sentence: *If you can't read the help pages on what is on-topic, on how to ask good questions, how to use tags, don't ask. It's that simple.* This site works two ways: people get good answers, actually, all over the place, for free. But sustaining such a system of volunteer answerers requires questions to be high-quality. Otherwise, potential helpers just lose interest, and good questions get lost in a repetitive/off-topic flood of questions." CreationDate="2023-05-29T23:14:09.563" UserId="106650" />
  <row Id="13734" PostId="7089" Score="0" Text="You, in this very case, asked a question that is off-topic and opinionated, and you abuse all tags (the absence of tags that describe your question would have been a hint it's off-topic here). If that is the quality of questions typically seen, then please don't be surprised the community self-moderation mechanism tends to give you negative feedback - that is intended. Both as a means of quality assurance for questions, and as a way to directly help you improve your next question. It's how this platform works! Asking for critical comments to *not* be given is against the very principle of it." CreationDate="2023-05-29T23:24:22.897" UserId="106650" />
  <row Id="13735" PostId="7089" Score="2" Text="If you see comments like &quot;just google it&quot;, please feel free to flag those as rude, or at least &quot;no longer needed&quot;, as those types of comments are not constructive in any way. Thanks!" CreationDate="2023-05-29T23:48:31.790" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="13736" PostId="7087" Score="0" Text="So in other contexts this might be called an &quot;unverified account&quot;.   I can see this acting as a barrier to entry for people who want an answer, but I can also see it avoiding a lot of low quality questions from &quot;1 point&quot; accounts who haven't bothered to do any research.  Hmmm." CreationDate="2023-05-29T23:50:40.773" UserId="168757" />
  <row Id="13737" PostId="7089" Score="4" Text="1. &quot;just ask google&quot; and other RTFM answers are rude and should be flagged.  However extremely basic questions that the asker could easily have answered themselves with man or google or whatever are also rude (and waste the time of every reader / potential answerer rather than just a few seconds of the asker's time), and should be downvoted/closed/deleted. If it's not worth YOUR time to do some minimal attempt to figure it out, then what makes you think it's worth wasting OUR time on it?" CreationDate="2023-05-30T01:11:47.700" UserId="7696" />
  <row Id="13738" PostId="7089" Score="0" Text="2. RE: &quot;alternative answers&quot; - sometimes the question that is being asked is fundamentally flawed in some way. Either the entire approach is wrong, or the tool they want to use is the wrong tool for the job, or it's yet another [XY problem](https://xyproblem.info/). And if someone asks &quot;how do I shoot myself in the foot&quot;, it's our responsibility to say &quot;you probably don't want to do that, do this instead&quot;. You're here asking experts for advice - you should at least consider that someone with many years of experience might know a thing or two and make an effort to understand what they're saying" CreationDate="2023-05-30T01:19:47.337" UserId="7696" />
  <row Id="13739" PostId="7089" Score="2" Text="3. Answers here are written not just for the person who asked the question, but for everyone who comes after with similar questions.   If an answer doesn't explain what it's doing and why, it's a bad answer.  Cargo-cult answers (i.e. &quot;just copy and paste this command into your terminal&quot; are NOT good answers, they're terrible answers." CreationDate="2023-05-30T01:23:59.333" UserId="7696" />
  <row Id="13740" PostId="7089" Score="0" Text="I'm guilty of &quot;just ask google&quot; (never as an answer, only as a comment). I do so when I type the exact title of the question into google and get answers. To me, that's NOT a good question on stackexchange as it's either a duplicate (easily searched ON stack exchange) or has answers outside of stackexchange that can be found with minimal effort" CreationDate="2023-05-30T01:34:16.917" UserId="401568" />
  <row Id="13741" PostId="7089" Score="2" Text="@JaromandaX the problem with that approach is that, especially with Google, search results are often extremely different for different users. For example, if I search for “wine” or “bash”, I get results mostly related to the corresponding programs; but someone who doesn’t search for Unix-related information gets results related to the grape-based beverage and the clothing brand. Thus especially for people who aren’t already familiar with Unix and Linux, searching for the answer in a search engine might not give them anything useful." CreationDate="2023-05-30T04:37:23.843" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="13742" PostId="7089" Score="0" Text="@StephenKitt - depends on your google-fu - but yeah, granted, I'll try to stop doing that (and mentioning googol, rather than *generic world wide web search engine of choice*, got into trouble for just suggesting googol once)" CreationDate="2023-05-30T04:54:47.827" UserId="401568" />
  <row Id="13743" PostId="7087" Score="0" Text="@StephenHarris It also avoids a lot of spam." CreationDate="2023-05-30T05:57:46.290" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="13744" PostId="7089" Score="0" Text="@JaromandaX The aim of this site is to be the site you would end up on after asking a search engine for directions, so asking users to search elsewhere for answers is counterproductive. Yes, the answer may be in a manual or in some other official documentation, but that should not prevent you from summarising it and making it relevant to the user seeking help. Note that a Unix utility's manual is a description of a tool, not an instruction on how to use the tool in any particular situation." CreationDate="2023-05-30T06:02:53.637" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="13746" PostId="7089" Score="0" Text="Nowadays there is a well known IA which does more than half the work in many situations. What would result from remember people that it exists, specially questions that are a matter of tranlate a problem from natural language to any computing language ? Also, when the answer or research was trivial, it is a good thing to teach the questioner how he could learn to use resource." CreationDate="2023-05-30T07:43:14.543" UserId="292938" />
  <row Id="13747" PostId="7089" Score="4" Text="Given that the questioner here also wrote https://mechanics.stackexchange.com/questions/42714/03-honda-accord-lx-2-4-vtech-misfires-and-stalls-when-cold#comment138718_42714, I think that we probably shouldn't be expending much of our time and effort on this." CreationDate="2023-05-30T11:58:37.373" UserId="5132" />
  <row Id="13748" PostId="7087" Score="2" Text="@StephenHarris until yesterday, when this change was activated, you could post on U&amp;L without creating an account. You have (had) the option of posting a question as a guest. See https://i.imgur.com/2Ezdrxn.png (screenshot from [bioinformatics.se] since I couldn't do it here anymore)." CreationDate="2023-05-30T12:47:50.850" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="13749" PostId="7091" Score="0" Text="Related: [We are updating our Code of Conduct and we would like your feedback](https://meta.stackexchange.com/posts/comments/1296614)" CreationDate="2023-06-01T05:59:33.330" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="13750" PostId="7091" Score="3" Text="The main argument is that since the new CoC is a complete re-write, there's no practical way to give a list of changes." CreationDate="2023-06-01T10:28:04.210" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="13751" PostId="7091" Score="0" Text="`vimdiff &lt;(elinks -no-references -no-numbering -dump https://web.archive.org/web/20230529124634/https://unix.stackexchange.com/conduct) &lt;(elinks -no-references -no-numbering -dump https://unix.stackexchange.com/conduct)` is not helping much." CreationDate="2023-06-01T15:19:35.850" UserId="22565" />
  <row Id="13752" PostId="7087" Score="0" Text="I genuinely didn't know this was an option. So users can still be &quot;anonymous&quot; to the community, just not anonymous to StackExchange, Is that correct?" CreationDate="2023-06-02T10:34:48.073" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="13753" PostId="7092" Score="15" Text="Not only moderators, by the way. All users are more than welcome to participate and abstain from their regular curation of content across the network." CreationDate="2023-06-02T19:20:41.993" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="13754" PostId="7092" Score="13" Text="For those looking for a quick summary, an ex-SE employee, Jon Ericson, has provided a far more objective one than I would have been able to: https://jlericson.com/2023/05/31/mod_strike" CreationDate="2023-06-02T19:22:29.660" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="13756" PostId="7093" Score="15" Text="I should also point out that the private policy shared with moderators (yes, they told us one thing and you another and we're not allowed to share) is much more restrictive than what can be seen here. What you have is a description of the policy, not the explanation of the &quot;strict standard&quot; we've been asked to apply." CreationDate="2023-06-02T22:18:04.507" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="13757" PostId="7093" Score="0" Text="So you can't suspend users posting AI-generated crap, but deleting that is still fine, right?" CreationDate="2023-06-03T03:27:03.077" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="13758" PostId="7093" Score="10" Text="@muru no, in private, staff have told us we can take no &quot;Moderation action&quot;, including deletion." CreationDate="2023-06-03T12:09:39.070" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="13759" PostId="7093" Score="3" Text="Ah, ok. But regular users like me can still vote to delete them, I suppose." CreationDate="2023-06-03T14:36:42.880" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="13760" PostId="7093" Score="5" Text="@muru I sure hope so." CreationDate="2023-06-03T14:37:22.870" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="13762" PostId="7092" Score="2" Text="Also related: [What has happened to lead moderators to consider striking?](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/424979)" CreationDate="2023-06-04T15:04:07.257" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="13763" PostId="7092" Score="0" Text="I have to assume posts _about_ the strike are exempt from the actions under &quot;I am not a moderator on any stack exchange site, how can I help?&quot;?" CreationDate="2023-06-04T19:08:20.670" UserId="174569" />
  <row Id="13764" PostId="7092" Score="3" Text="I don’t know about this particular SE site, but as far as I’m concerned, **SE sites are not support sites at all**." CreationDate="2023-06-05T05:07:50.413" UserId="319397" />
  <row Id="13765" PostId="7079" Score="0" Text="It's also possible to check which URLs are archived at the wayback machine https://archive.org/help/wayback_api.php and send a list of URLs to archive e.g. at https://web.archive.org/save , so the images can be recovered later and reuploaded." CreationDate="2023-06-05T06:24:22.210" UserId="59808" />
  <row Id="13766" PostId="7088" Score="0" Text="We have something similar for Android, where only the Unix-y parts of Android are on-topic, IIRC." CreationDate="2023-06-05T11:00:46.160" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="13767" PostId="7092" Score="4" Text="@Andreasdetestscensorship if by &quot;support&quot; you mean this is a place to come to ask for help when your OS isn't behaving as you expect, then yes, this site is very much a support site. As are [ubuntu.se], [apple.se], [su] and a bunch of others. Yes, we expect users to put in some effort first, and yes, we also get annoyed if the question seems to just be a brain dump of the questioner, but if someone has tried to solve it themselves (to the limits of their knowledge, we welcome newbies here) and then comes to ask for help, we are happy to give support." CreationDate="2023-06-05T23:36:34.587" UserId="56814" />
  <row Id="13768" PostId="7095" Score="7" Text="First, thank you for posting a very measured and constructive answer, as is your wont. I think you're wrong, for reasons I will explain, but it's always good to hear a different point of view, and especially when presented earnestly and politely. So thanks! [cont...]" CreationDate="2023-06-06T22:05:41.193" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="13769" PostId="7095" Score="8" Text="Now, there are a couple of misconceptions here: first, technology sucks at detecting AI, at least at the moment. In fact, that is precisely the point: SE assumed we used AI detectors, which we don't 'cause they don't work very well. At best, the AI detector would be one more data point. Next, SE has no reliable way of detecting AI posts, unfortunately. This much they have shared. So no, tech is worse than humans, at the moment, at detecting AI content. [cont...]" CreationDate="2023-06-06T22:05:46.953" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="13770" PostId="7095" Score="10" Text="And, by the way, SE have shared some data with us (finally) and there are some trends there that are worrying, but it isn't at all clear that the data actually support the conclusions they have drawn. For one thing, and this is important, *they cannot point to even a **single** example of an unfair suspension*. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there are some, humans are fallible and we all make mistakes. But SE do not have any such data. Not a single, confirmed false positive suspension or deletion for AI content." CreationDate="2023-06-06T22:05:53.430" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="13771" PostId="7095" Score="12" Text="The crux of the matter, however, is that after [the last time SE behaved really, really badly](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/333965/203101), they promised to do better. Specifically, they promised that all new policies would be reviewed by representatives of the community in the form of a group of moderators. They promised that policies would go through a period of feedback. They even told us this [in writing](https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/mod-agreement-policies). And yet, here we are again. [cont...]" CreationDate="2023-06-06T22:06:01.930" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="13772" PostId="7095" Score="7" Text="Once more, the moderators are being accused unfairly and [slandered in the press](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/389824/203101), once more the community is [treated like a product](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/389684/203101) and it feels like nothing has changed. Yes, the moderators are convinced the new AI policy is wrong, but perhaps more importantly, we feel we are being lied to again. [cont...]" CreationDate="2023-06-06T22:06:08.230" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="13773" PostId="7095" Score="7" Text="We feel, again, that the company running these sites not only takes the work we (all of us, all those who participate on these sites, not mod only) do for granted and that while it expects us to follow the rules, they are free to break the binding promises they gave us. So the AI issue is the tip of the iceberg. Had the company come in and simply _asked_ us to maybe lay off suspending for a while, we'd have been more than happy to do it. Unfortunately, they came down on us like  a ton of bricks, laying down the law and _requiring_ us to go against the community consensus of our own sites." CreationDate="2023-06-06T22:06:27.360" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="13774" PostId="7095" Score="7" Text="So this is not just about AI. It is about how the company treats the very communities that power its growth. Which is why I, personally, have indeed joined the strike. I have chosen not to post about it here, because I don't want to bring the drama myself, but this has affected me on a very personal level and it was a choice between a strike in the hope of effecting change or just walking away. Not all the U&amp;L mods are striking, and that is absolutely fine. Everyone should do what their own conscience dictates, and I have nothing but respect and affection for my fellow mods." CreationDate="2023-06-06T22:08:17.877" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="13775" PostId="7095" Score="7" Text="Oh, and for the record, this hasn't been a big deal here. Yes, we have deleted a few posts for being AI generated (and we are absolutely confident we were right, there was a pattern of posting, and not even a complaint), but we have issued a negligible number of suspensions over this. It's SO that has had to deal with AI posts in their thousands." CreationDate="2023-06-06T22:16:00.930" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="13776" PostId="7095" Score="1" Text="@terdononstrike I think you make some very important points particularly on SE corporate culture. When you have the time and emotional bandwidth, I think it'd be worth getting these into a follow up answer here. We certainly both agree that SE has a painful history of &quot;mistreating&quot; it's community. Trying to give them the benefit of the doubt they must handle a horrifying dichotomy balancing corporate goals against community stuardship. They have in my view however slipped on a number of bannana skins over the past few years which have left us all a bit frustrated." CreationDate="2023-06-06T22:18:20.260" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="13777" PostId="7095" Score="0" Text="I think where we may agree to disagree is in the lack of technology. Agreed SE is most likely is guarding an empty safe here. I remain convinced that technological solutions are achievable. Not by analysing content, any more than your credit card company really checks your signature to identify fraud. This is an issue that SE need to show some real investment and begin trying to crack the problem. It may also be a case that they can handle the problem using other means. Disincentivising bust posting BS might not hurt. Once again I'm not singing SE's praises here and I stand to be disappointed." CreationDate="2023-06-06T22:28:10.623" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="13778" PostId="7095" Score="1" Text="Something often overlooked, by mods when defending themselves, by most users, and by the company, is that the vast majority, if not all, of the posts they investigate for AI content is in response to a flag raised by a user. Some user on the site has become suspicious of the post and flagged it. Then the mods look into it. They don't have time to go hunting for AI content, there's enough work to keep them quite busy without doing so. A metric us users will never see is the number of flag for AI content which did not result in mod action. Would be interesting though." CreationDate="2023-06-06T23:33:38.320" UserId="207673" />
  <row Id="13779" PostId="7095" Score="0" Text="If the mods have chosen to keep to a higher standard, I can accept that. They've been elected partially on their character (as we can see if from interactions with them in virtual space anyway.) The post, an [answer](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/389583/777088) by the way, not an actual post as is normal, which announced the policy contains a phrase I found exceptionally rude, even if covered with PR speak: [cont.]" CreationDate="2023-06-06T23:42:29.393" UserId="207673" />
  <row Id="13780" PostId="7095" Score="2" Text="&quot;Through no fault of moderators' own, we also suspect that there have been biases for or against residents of specific countries as a potential result of the heuristics being applied to these posts. &quot; Sounds like the mods are being called bigots too unlearned as to recognize their own bigotry. Quite unacceptable from a corporate communication." CreationDate="2023-06-06T23:43:41.417" UserId="207673" />
  <row Id="13781" PostId="7095" Score="2" Text="@Chindraba no I don't accept that point at all. Actually I think this is a topic that must not be silenced but discussed much more freely. We have become too sensitive about the topic of racism to admit one terrible truth: Racial bias is a natural and very common consequence of normal human pattern matching and simply not knowing which patterns only exist in your own culture. This means everyone will naturally show racial bias and we have to take a lot of personal time and effort individually unlearn our own unhelpful stereotypes." CreationDate="2023-06-06T23:50:17.380" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="13782" PostId="7095" Score="1" Text="@Chindraba Racial bias and racism are totally different concepts. You can apply identical rules perfectly evenly and still your actions may be racially biased. One obvious example might be how and when a manager allows staff to take breaks while at work. Everybody follows the same rules. Those of the muslim faith then run into serious trouble when those rules do not accommodate time for prayer. Suddenly these equal rules applied equally to everyone hurt some much more than others based only on religion. Racial bias does NOT mean your racist or uncultured." CreationDate="2023-06-07T00:01:35.810" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="13783" PostId="7095" Score="1" Text="@PhilipCouling, I'll just note that others have already written proper posts about the points terdon mentioned there, in meta.SE and meta.SO. Including how SE hasn't actually shown any numbers about those biases or false positives, just insinuations abour racism. Also the acccusation seemed to me to be mostly about mods allegedly usung just tools to recognize AI content, not people." CreationDate="2023-06-07T05:48:47.027" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="13784" PostId="7095" Score="0" Text="@ilkkachu I've read a fair quantity on meta already before posting. Alas with such a heated topic there's rather a lot of noise to wade through. The issue as expressed by so many don't really justify the strike action (see above).  My penultimate section in this answer explains why i feel it is so important to discuss calmly here." CreationDate="2023-06-07T07:29:59.833" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="13785" PostId="7095" Score="1" Text="@PhilipCouling, well, the way your post seemed to ignore the parts about new policies being brought in in secret, without discussion, apparently against the customs that were supposed to be in place since the last time, it did appear a bit that you hadn't read the posts describing those matters. To me, it seemed like the points made in terdon's comments were essentially the same that have already been posted in other metas. (Not that I don't think they'd be able to write a good account of it if they wanted to, I just wonder what the usefulness would be.)" CreationDate="2023-06-07T07:41:51.773" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="13786" PostId="7095" Score="10" Text="As for that second-to-last section, if you really think volunteer mods should stay working for a company that doesn't care for them, for free, regardless of the treatment, just for the sake of _not annoying users_, well, I suppose I can only invite you to seriously reconsider what that sounds like. Besides, wouldn't volunteer moderators and contributors striking en masse only help SE's opportunity to try what it is they appear to want (and to fail)?" CreationDate="2023-06-07T07:42:12.123" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="13787" PostId="7095" Score="0" Text="@ilkkachu The secrecy is also something that needs frank and open discussion. There's a time and a place for it in any business, but I won't defend it's use in this instance. It's use seems wholly wrong from the outside, without knowing what's actually in the secret. It's exactly because I don't know the content of it that I cannot easily address it in this answers. Sadly I fear this may be a driver for the &quot;friction I mentioned&quot;... which brings us back to the penultimate section..." CreationDate="2023-06-07T08:38:11.177" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="13788" PostId="7095" Score="0" Text="@ilkkachu No I'm not suggesting volunteer's should do anything of the sort. The issue is that while strikes may be both morally justified and cathartic to our anger, they are also rarely effective and usually cause a lot of collateral damage. The point of that section is not to say people just put up with anything, but to urge those involved to exhaust all other options, seeking options that *work*. Again, despite reading much on meta this is a detail that seems to be lacking in people's posts. I'm very grateful to Terdon for writing about it here." CreationDate="2023-06-07T08:47:43.010" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="13789" PostId="7095" Score="3" Text="... that is I largely view strike action like a [hail mary pass](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hail_Mary_pass) trying to avoid quitting all together. My heart in writing this post is &quot;please don't quit&quot;. But at the same time I'd defend anyone's decision to do so under the circumstances." CreationDate="2023-06-07T09:02:55.253" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="13790" PostId="7093" Score="0" Text="You all would have gotten a more understanding vision if my requests for transparency on how the ban on generated content was applied and how it was evaluated was met without so much push back. This kind of SE response was the very thing I was trying to avoid. Moderated response, based on data, rather than kneejerk and inflexible responses based on rhetoric are my mojo, you all should try too." CreationDate="2023-06-07T13:57:54.633" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="13791" PostId="7095" Score="6" Text="Honestly, I do wonder why so many mods bother with trying to talk sense to/with the company (e.g. [&quot;Please follow your own policies on making new policies&quot;](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/389597/please-follow-your-own-policies-on-making-new-policies)) and all the other &quot;fuss&quot; instead of just accepting that SE doesn't want to play with them the way they'd hoped, and walking away. (Ok, the fuss might help get support for the cause and eventually get other mods and users to do the same.)" CreationDate="2023-06-07T14:12:11.660" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="13792" PostId="7095" Score="0" Text="Then again, I also wonder when SE will get the obvious idea of collecting a small monthly fee for the privilege of letting us interact with their little community and collect points here. I mean, it's gamified already, and I suppose there might be some minor addiction-type effect in keeping up with the hobby, at least for some users. Charging money for it would just be a logical step at some point, at least considering that they seem to be somewhat blind to the idea of &quot;community&quot;." CreationDate="2023-06-07T14:18:35.233" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="13793" PostId="7095" Score="2" Text="@ilkkachu I think someone tried that model, it was called &quot;experts exchange&quot; and it annoyed me so much I went into my own google settings to say don't return links from this site, ever. I wonder sometimes what happened to the website but I'll never know because google won't tell me. " CreationDate="2023-06-07T14:34:52.633" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="13794" PostId="7093" Score="3" Text="Yes, @Braiam, we are all about inflexible, knee jerk responses. If that's your takeaway after all these years, I don't know what to tell you." CreationDate="2023-06-07T14:43:17.713" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="13795" PostId="7093" Score="1" Text="It takes only one bad experience, to spoil the entire thing. What do you tell me? Here, look at the data, pour over it and analyze it. Lets make this thing better for all. That's what you should tell me. That's what I would tell you if our positions were reversed. Hell, I would not wait for this comment either. So, try again." CreationDate="2023-06-07T15:06:47.523" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="13796" PostId="7095" Score="0" Text="haha :D Indeed I don't expect it'd make for a very lively community, just that I wouldn't be surprised if wasn't beneath them to do that..." CreationDate="2023-06-07T15:25:12.897" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="13797" PostId="7093" Score="0" Text="BTW, ask physics.se mods to get the same table they got which was what I asked, that would be a starter. https://physics.meta.stackexchange.com/a/14441/30753" CreationDate="2023-06-07T15:36:01.250" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="13798" PostId="7093" Score="6" Text="I honestly have no idea what you are talking about. I remember you had posted something about AI a while back, but I don't remember the details. Nor, frankly, is this the place to discuss them. If you have something to say, open a new meta discussion." CreationDate="2023-06-07T22:22:57.883" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="13799" PostId="7095" Score="1" Text="Hello, is there a chat-room associated to unix.meta ? could all those comments be moved there? (and a link to it given in the comments, allownig an easier follow of the whole discussion ?) . Or is the comments section the appropriate place? (I have a hard time finding out the appropriate comment order, as all are &quot;2 days ago&quot;)" CreationDate="2023-06-09T11:59:35.007" UserId="27616" />
  <row Id="13800" PostId="7095" Score="0" Text="ok, I thought the comments could be reordered with votes, but they do seem to be in the chronological order. I apologize" CreationDate="2023-06-09T12:20:36.810" UserId="27616" />
  <row Id="13801" PostId="7095" Score="1" Text="@OlivierDulac usually comments should be moved to chat. I think we've been taking liberties in light of the effective strike, the moderators haven't moved it yet ;-)" CreationDate="2023-06-09T14:36:07.717" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="13802" PostId="7087" Score="0" Text="This is unlikely to be helpful. The truly harmful contributions usually come from people who will definitely bother to register (cf. [Wikipedia article creation](https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Wikipedia_article_creation))." CreationDate="2023-06-11T13:39:01.313" UserId="59808" />
  <row Id="13803" PostId="7087" Score="1" Text="@Nemo I'm not sure what kind of harm you're thinking of, but disabling this unregistered participation has definitely put a stop to this particular rash of low-quality posts." CreationDate="2023-06-12T11:50:19.007" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="13804" PostId="7097" Score="0" Text="IIRC there's also a Ubuntu and Android SE site. Facetime and Garageband AFAIK are macos specific and there's an Apple-specific site though which is the main difference. You can't ask about your WhatsApp Android app here even though it runs on a Linux system. You can ask about bash or libreoffice even though there are ports of it to non-Unix-like platforms." CreationDate="2023-06-15T19:38:23.627" UserId="22565" />
  <row Id="13805" PostId="5913" Score="1" Text="Just to put a finer point on it: closing a question means there's a (theoretical) possibility of it being edited into an answerable question. Spam doesn't fit that criteria, so just flag it towards deletion." CreationDate="2023-06-17T13:23:09.767" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="13806" PostId="7102" Score="1" Text="I found https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/234259/asking-days-badges (from 2014) that describes a formula; I don't know if it's current or not. I don't think there's a &quot;live&quot; statistic on the site; rather, the system awards you the badge when you meet the criteria. Since it's about questions, I'd suggest just scanning the [questions tab of your profile](https://unix.stackexchange.com/users/154403/nepumuk?tab=questions&amp;sort=newest) and seeing what the formula shows." CreationDate="2023-06-20T18:25:32.307" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="13807" PostId="7102" Score="0" Text="I found &quot;negative questions&quot; as deleted. Do you know whether they count twice (as deleted and as over all negatively voted)?" CreationDate="2023-06-20T18:34:36.443" UserId="154403" />
  <row Id="13808" PostId="7102" Score="1" Text="According to that post from 2014, deleted &amp; negatively-scored questions would count twice (`total questions - negative questions - closed - deleted`); if it's also closed, that'd count thrice. I'm always cautious to distinguish documentation from code. The system *probably* works like that, but I always allow for the possibility that the code is different from the documentation." CreationDate="2023-06-20T18:37:40.783" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="13809" PostId="7102" Score="0" Text="[previously (2014)](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/3085/definition-for-curious-badge), [previously (2019)](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/q/5198/117549), and [previously (2020)](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5542/why-am-i-not-being-awarded-the-curious-badge)" CreationDate="2023-06-20T18:48:19.667" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="13810" PostId="7100" Score="0" Text="If I saw that in the suggested edit queue, I might &quot;improve the edit&quot; to turn &quot;Could anybody help me?&quot; into something more specific, like &quot;how do I turn the mouse scrolling the other way?&quot; or something similar." CreationDate="2023-06-20T18:59:22.643" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="13811" PostId="7101" Score="0" Text="I personally cannot agree with the words `I strongly believe any post published as a question should contain an actual explicit question.` That seems to justify a belligerent disregard for the obvious fact the OP has expressed what they need to discover. The lack of a literal `?` in the post makes little difference to it's value." CreationDate="2023-06-20T19:15:28.563" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="13812" PostId="7101" Score="0" Text="... Now that I have a quick look, under this definition 5 out of the newest 10 questions here have no actual question sentence. YMMV but this doesn't look like a genuinely enforced rule." CreationDate="2023-06-20T20:20:09.927" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="13813" PostId="7101" Score="1" Text="@PhilipCouling if the question is otherwise implicit from the phrasing, sure. But every now and then we have a post which has no question, implied or otherwise. Basically they could be asking if this is the expected behaviour, or why something is happening, or a workaround for achieving something. And you know people have explicitly asked for each of those here in various posts, so you can't just assume one of them." CreationDate="2023-06-21T00:55:44.393" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="13815" PostId="7101" Score="2" Text="@muru I'm saying that the need for a question is redundant because the OP expressed what they need to discover without one. The instances you describe **don't** express what they need to discover and that is a problem.  But in this instance the question plainly stated &quot;`i have a problem with my install`&quot; and the word &quot;`inverted`&quot;, in english, carries the nuance of a thing being *incorrect*. &quot;please help&quot; might hypothetically demonstrate the difference between asking if it is expected vs how to change it, but I can't think of a case where this ambiguity would affect the resulting answers." CreationDate="2023-06-21T07:55:31.660" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="13816" PostId="7102" Score="0" Text="(I'm now asking this) Just to be sure with this point: the `total questions` don't need any vote up, so the net vote can also be 0 to be counted as desired (for me), right?" CreationDate="2023-06-21T15:00:00.977" UserId="154403" />
  <row Id="13817" PostId="7100" Score="4" Text="If the post makes it clear what the asker wants, then a stock phrase asking if anyone can help is just noise. Then again, if an edit suggestion on an, umm... 6 year old question at only removes a stock phrase without making the question any better, is also noise." CreationDate="2023-06-21T15:11:11.227" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="13818" PostId="7102" Score="0" Text="I'm not sure I completely understood your last comment, but: yes, I would assume that `total questions` includes any and all of your questions (negatively scored, 0 scored, and positively scored). I'm not sure what you meant by &quot;... be 0 to be counted as desired...&quot;, so let me know if I've missed something or misunderstood you." CreationDate="2023-06-21T15:13:20.123" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="13819" PostId="7102" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller a net vote of 0 would mean (for me) that as many users have voted the question up as they have voted it down. A positive net vote would mean that more users have voted the question up than down. A negative net vote would be vice versa." CreationDate="2023-06-21T15:19:05.930" UserId="154403" />
  <row Id="13820" PostId="7102" Score="0" Text="I understand what a net vote of 0 *is*; I was confused when you used the word &quot;desired&quot;  for it, in the context of a badge that looks for &quot;a positive question record&quot;. If the above equation is correct, then 5 open, non-deleted, zero-scored questions would lead to `(5-0-0-0)/5=1`, so from that point of view, a zero-scored question helps (doesn't hurt) the badge progress." CreationDate="2023-06-21T15:29:15.493" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="13821" PostId="7100" Score="2" Text="Related: [Editing other people's posts to remove &quot;thanks&quot;](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/q/5332)" CreationDate="2023-06-24T17:47:39.130" UserId="22565" />
  <row Id="13822" PostId="7108" Score="0" Text="But it's so useless, that you might as well use duckduckgo or your favourite web search engine and enter `site:unix.stackexchange.com your-search-terms-there`." CreationDate="2023-07-03T16:12:44.670" UserId="22565" />
  <row Id="13823" PostId="7107" Score="1" Text="Last I knew, as you start to ask a question, SE will suggest similar questions as potential duplicates. Additionally, if you have a specific question (and can't find an answer after your own searches, and none of the suggested questions help), go ahead and ask! Feel free to preemptively rule out potential duplicate Q/A's by explaining how you tried them or how they don't apply. A community member might find a duplicate that helps, but that's OK -- duplicates are sign posts (with different wording) with the same answer -- all guiding future searchers to a solution." CreationDate="2023-07-03T16:25:26.473" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="13824" PostId="7093" Score="0" Text="I don't know how do you not know what I was talking about, I literally posted both comments withing 30 minutes one of the other and less than an hour from yours. So, if you do not have idea what I'm talking about, maybe read [the first comment](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/7093/psa-stack-exchange-inc-have-announced-a-network-wide-policy-for-ai-content?cb=1#comment13790_7093) which is like 4 comments above yours and don't even need to be unfolded." CreationDate="2023-07-06T16:13:26.327" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="13825" PostId="7095" Score="0" Text="@PhilipCouling You say: *&quot;strikes ... are also rarely effective&quot;*. Could I ask you to cite whatever sources you base that on?" CreationDate="2023-07-07T19:24:56.727" UserId="295972" />
  <row Id="13826" PostId="7095" Score="0" Text="@AJM personal observation of various strike actions over the past 20 years. You might like to note that here in the UK there is and has been massive strike action across very many public services recently. after so many months the practical progress in resolving the various disputes has been very hit and miss with only an occasional success story. In this particular case, the moderator strike lacks the financial teeth hitting SO's bottom line. SO makes money whether or not moderators are on strike. That makes this particular strike less likely to succeed." CreationDate="2023-07-08T05:33:12.973" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="13827" PostId="7095" Score="0" Text="@AJM I should clarify that I'm not denying the awesome strides in employment law that have been brought about through strike action. Paradoxically strike action generally has been a force for change but individual strikes very frequently fail or back fire. In the UK in the 1980s the British government diversified the energy sector away from coal as a way to prevent striking coal miners bringing the country to its  knees. This resulted in closing the coal mines which is the opposite of what the miners wanted." CreationDate="2023-07-08T12:17:09.220" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="13828" PostId="7110" Score="0" Text="I didn't find anything relevant on Meta.SE, and I've never heard of an account being unable to upload an image. Just to be sure, are you using the image upload icon in the editor tool? And then you click Browse to find a local file?" CreationDate="2023-07-18T14:02:04.733" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="13829" PostId="7110" Score="0" Text="yes browse to find a local file, I choose *something.jpg* that is 100kb on my desktop.  Never works or has never worked for me." CreationDate="2023-07-18T15:47:20.947" UserId="154426" />
  <row Id="13830" PostId="7110" Score="0" Text="is it possible some admin punished me by preventing my account from uploading a picture?" CreationDate="2023-07-18T15:47:48.533" UserId="154426" />
  <row Id="13831" PostId="7110" Score="0" Text="I suppose it's *possible*, but I have no idea how it would be implemented. I don't think any of the U&amp;L moderators requested it.  If someone (staff) at SE did it, they didn't let us in on it. I'd recommend using the &quot;Contact&quot; link at the bottom of the page to explain what you're seeing, and hopefully someone can get to the bottom of it. I'd be curious to hear, myself!" CreationDate="2023-07-18T16:48:05.540" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="13832" PostId="7110" Score="1" Text="Can you try using a different browser, just in case? I've never heard of anything like this, so I suspect it might be an issue on your side." CreationDate="2023-07-18T17:23:45.103" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="13833" PostId="7087" Score="0" Text="I applaud this, but I feel compelled to ask what's the furthest time boundary on &quot;temporary&quot;? (see first word of title)  Has this become permanent yet?" CreationDate="2023-07-20T03:06:00.450" UserId="531636" />
  <row Id="13834" PostId="7087" Score="0" Text="That's a fair question, @SottoVoce. My best answer right now is to wait for the end of the moderation strike (including the Charcoal spam-fighting project), so that we have as much automated --and manual-- effort available to keep low-quality posts at bay. I'm encouraged that U&amp;L participation hasn't been drastically affected by requirement to register." CreationDate="2023-07-20T13:27:39.003" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="13835" PostId="7110" Score="0" Text="@ron have you made any progress on this, with a different browser or with a Help ticket?" CreationDate="2023-07-21T13:02:45.767" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="13837" PostId="7110" Score="0" Text="i keep forgetting to try at home, with a different browser" CreationDate="2023-07-24T17:41:18.390" UserId="154426" />
  <row Id="13838" PostId="7115" Score="7" Text="Note that new posts don't wait for anything, they are visible on the site as soon as they are posted. I mean, they _do_ go through directly, they're just also added to the new post review queue for review, but that doesn't affect the visibility of the post in any way as far as I know." CreationDate="2023-08-04T10:07:26.237" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="13839" PostId="7115" Score="0" Text="Thx for the info @terdon. I had apparently missed something. I ergo close this discussion." CreationDate="2023-08-05T08:48:14.947" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="13840" PostId="7115" Score="2" Text="I’m voting to close this question because of terdon's contribution in comments. I apologize for the noise." CreationDate="2023-08-05T08:49:38.080" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="13841" PostId="7116" Score="1" Text="The Question cannot be deleted because it has an upvoted Answer. The best post on disassociation is: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/96732/how-do-i-remove-my-name-from-a-post-in-accordance-with-cc-by-sa which steps you through a &quot;Contact&quot; link at the bottom of each page." CreationDate="2023-08-06T19:50:24.630" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="13842" PostId="7116" Score="0" Text="That's probably a bit more than I was looking for.  In this case, I'm not concerned with attribution or anonymity; I'm just looking to not be notified of activity.  It sounds like that's not possible, so I guess this is more of a feature suggestion." CreationDate="2023-08-06T19:59:14.417" UserId="72132" />
  <row Id="13843" PostId="7116" Score="1" Text="I haven't loaded your question into my brain, but I'm general, I'd encourage patience. Most of our community is interested in solving problems, so if you e done your best to make your question answerable, you may get a useful answer -- I should say, additional useful answers. Otherwise, the CM team may entertain a request to be disassociated from that post." CreationDate="2023-08-07T00:44:52.763" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="13844" PostId="7119" Score="1" Text="I probably haven’t noticed it as much because I spend most of my time on SO where I’m still using the Frisa Lank skin from April Fool’s 2022 lol. But other sites’ colours seem better for contrast than UL" CreationDate="2023-08-12T13:58:03.880" UserId="73390" />
  <row Id="13845" PostId="7119" Score="2" Text="And also I shouldn’t be surprised this was already brought up on mse but again I think this site’s colours make it more noticeable than others" CreationDate="2023-08-12T14:00:52.110" UserId="73390" />
  <row Id="13846" PostId="7119" Score="1" Text="I remember that discussion, but I don't remember that the design with high contrast was for meta sites, while the main sides stick to the pale design." CreationDate="2023-08-14T11:50:37.113" UserId="216004" />
  <row Id="13847" PostId="7115" Score="1" Text="And yet, its a nice reminder for us all to do our civic duty ;-)" CreationDate="2023-08-15T09:07:57.097" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="13848" PostId="7110" Score="0" Text="So let's remind you from time to time (-;" CreationDate="2023-08-15T11:04:02.037" UserId="216004" />
  <row Id="13849" PostId="7110" Score="0" Text="yeah, keep reminding me :)  maybe tonight" CreationDate="2023-08-15T12:02:54.280" UserId="154426" />
  <row Id="13850" PostId="7110" Score="0" Text="Could tonight be the night? :P" CreationDate="2023-08-25T17:44:27.010" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="13851" PostId="7123" Score="0" Text="Glad you (sort of?!?) got to the bottom of it. It sounds likely that a work-based firewall is blocking an important piece of the picture-upload process for you." CreationDate="2023-08-28T17:33:15.403" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="13852" PostId="7126" Score="1" Text="I'm sure there's a better tag for number 4 that isn't necessarily synonymous with locking. Is there a tag that relates to access control?" CreationDate="2023-09-01T01:39:33.180" UserId="164143" />
  <row Id="13853" PostId="7126" Score="3" Text="@forest maybe [tag:account-restrictions]?" CreationDate="2023-09-01T02:16:50.843" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="13854" PostId="5126" Score="0" Text="WSL version 2 has the Linux kernel, but some things are *still* missing or need workarounds to work the same as on a Linux system." CreationDate="2023-09-02T23:14:15.793" UserId="309759" />
  <row Id="13855" PostId="7128" Score="1" Text="I agree about leaving them open due to &quot;reasonable doubt&quot;. In my opinion, closing a question is a significant measure taken onto it, therefore closing a question should not be taken lightly. The one closing a question should be &quot;pretty sure&quot; that the question is not mainly about U&amp;L. Additionally, Windows-focused stackexchange sites may not have as many Linux users to answer questions, so &quot;Linux-related&quot; questions may be more appropriate here ayways." CreationDate="2023-09-03T16:35:18.207" UserId="462014" />
  <row Id="13856" PostId="7127" Score="0" Text="This seems to be off-topic for this particular meta StackExchange. Try https://softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/ instead." CreationDate="2023-09-03T16:52:14.077" UserId="462014" />
  <row Id="13857" PostId="7126" Score="0" Text="@muru that sounds like account management." CreationDate="2023-09-05T17:53:07.743" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="13858" PostId="7132" Score="1" Text="Recently: https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/q/7117/117549" CreationDate="2023-09-06T01:14:10.870" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="13859" PostId="7132" Score="0" Text="Thanks. Oddly, I didn't find that on a search for &quot;button contrast&quot;. Guess the search queries don't recognize plurals. I'm tempted to close my own question here as a dupe, but for the fact that I tagged it &quot;feature-request&quot;.  Maybe it doesn't matter.  Should we close this one?" CreationDate="2023-09-06T01:17:58.503" UserId="102202" />
  <row Id="13860" PostId="7127" Score="0" Text="OCR tools mostly apply to pdf files. When I last time used Google, it was easy to find websites that can convert an image to pdf, and websites that perform OCR on pdf files." CreationDate="2023-09-06T02:03:16.080" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="13861" PostId="7127" Score="0" Text="http://www.djvu.org/index.php?title=Any2DjVu+Server" CreationDate="2023-09-06T09:10:30.517" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="13862" PostId="7130" Score="0" Text="`The rule of thumb is: if in doubt, skip` I think that's the piece of advice I'm most fearful of. The best analogy I can give is this: my friend describes himself as a &quot;devout agnostic&quot; believing both atheists and evangelists have too little data to justify their own belief. He feels certain that nobody can be sure. That's how I feel about these questions: I'm not &quot;in doubt&quot;, I am certain I don't know and pretty sure the close voter didn't either. On balance I'd prefer to vote &quot;leave open&quot; unless there's a smell the close voter themselves knew something I didn't." CreationDate="2023-09-09T10:47:27.237" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="13863" PostId="7128" Score="1" Text="Not directly related, the other day I was thinking about how good would be cross site questions: those that by its nature could be answered in multiple SE sites. I guess that it would be a nightmare to implement, but could be a nice option in some advanced/niche cases such as the ones you mention." CreationDate="2023-09-11T12:21:57.620" UserId="338177" />
  <row Id="13864" PostId="7128" Score="0" Text="@schrodingerscatcuriosity for this reason I've always been sad at the splitting of SO. I realise it has benefits, but somehow it's made it harder to get answers sometimes." CreationDate="2023-09-11T13:37:42.047" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="13865" PostId="7128" Score="0" Text="FWIW, your example 1 would have failed even if you were running Linux through KVM on top of another Linux host. The fundamental problem is as @TomYan described: that WiFi client devices almost always cannot bridge. (I'd have left it open but answerable only as &quot;you can't do that&quot;)" CreationDate="2023-09-21T16:09:41.863" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="13866" PostId="7128" Score="0" Text="@roaima it's a funny one because the fundamental problem TomYan aludes to is one of MAC addresses with WPA, which are an OSI layer below IPv4 and IPv6. Therefore, the fact that IPv4 works suggests that you **can** do that (at least theoretically), and the issue is perhaps one of virtualbox implementation: IE a Windows program in this context." CreationDate="2023-09-21T19:27:40.653" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="13868" PostId="7128" Score="0" Text="@roaima indeed, thanks for the reminder, I've just checked back on my home WiFi... on MacOS with virtualbox 7.0.10 with Ubuntu 22.04 guest and IPV6 with bridge adapter over host WiFi works just fine. So I'm still in the dark as to whether the problem is Kali or Windows. My money is in the Kali user being the fault." CreationDate="2023-09-21T19:48:12.273" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="13869" PostId="7128" Score="0" Text="@PhilipCouling wow, impressed. I'll revise my opinion of WiFi client devices" CreationDate="2023-09-21T21:43:29.853" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="13871" PostId="7138" Score="1" Text="Your second point doesn't make sense to me. If you suggest that only having knowledge of the specific subject should allow you to vote, then you should really not want to allow new users with no idea about site scope or norms to vote either. Your point is arguing for making voting even more restricted, not completely open. And remember the [association bonus](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/141648/203101): if you have 200 rep on one site, which is far more than needed to vote, you will automatically get a bonus 100 rep on any new site you join." CreationDate="2023-09-23T09:37:12.990" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="13872" PostId="7138" Score="1" Text="Your third is also dubious. Do you have any evidence whatsoever to support the accusation that there are users who don't answer questions by people who don't have the rep to vote? Are you taking into account the fact that _everyone_ can accept an answer to their question and that gives more rep than an upvote? In any case, even if the OP cannot upvote. everyone else can. It would be profoundly foolish for anyone to refuse to answer based on that." CreationDate="2023-09-23T09:39:45.110" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="13873" PostId="4732" Score="0" Text="this is an excellent example of how to copy+paste from other websites. @jasonwryan here selects *some* text from another website, links to the other website, and blockquotes the selected text in the answer. i used to do that all of the time; it provides context, clarity, and proper attribution." CreationDate="2023-09-24T03:03:12.957" UserId="52934" />
  <row Id="13874" PostId="7138" Score="0" Text="@terdon : With all due respect, may I hold your last comment unfair ? A/ I never &quot;accused&quot; only suspected conditionally. B/ You are the one wording some strong value judgement (foolish) for some possible human behaviour.&#xA;BTW 1, I, of course cannot give any sort of evidence of my suspicion in the context of U&amp;L_SE only my non summarizeable experience of human beings contributing on a 150K+ members tech forum I used to administrate." CreationDate="2023-09-24T10:22:08.917" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="13875" PostId="7138" Score="0" Text="@terdon : BTW 2 : Yes I know that one can earn 15 credits when answer is accepted, but answers are not necessarily accepted, particularly by those fire&amp;forgetting questions. And of course I know that 15 + 10 = 25 &gt; 15." CreationDate="2023-09-24T10:24:41.867" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="13876" PostId="7138" Score="1" Text="It read like an accusation. You are saying people refuse to answer because they fear the OP might not upvote. Since accepting gives more rep than upvoting and since anyone can upvote, not just the OP, if anyone does indeed feel that way, then yes, it would be foolish. It just makes no sense at all. I can't rule it out, people can and do act foolishly, but it would be really odd." CreationDate="2023-09-24T10:26:05.767" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="13877" PostId="7136" Score="2" Text="You may also want to add the [featured] tag (at some point) to ensure that the discussion is more visible to the community as a whole." CreationDate="2023-09-24T21:11:25.883" UserId="488802" />
  <row Id="13878" PostId="7136" Score="0" Text="Sounds good! Done." CreationDate="2023-09-24T22:45:26.817" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="13883" PostId="7138" Score="0" Text="@ilkkachu : I hardly understand how whatever personal feeling can be qualified &quot;questionable&quot;. OK ! I'm old enough to admit that I am alone with it as well as to detect the moment when best is to stop arguing. Fair enough, let's forget it. No hardfeeling of course. !" CreationDate="2023-09-26T11:05:04.310" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="13884" PostId="7138" Score="0" Text="@MC68020, äch, sorry, I didn't mean to reject the feeling you'd got. I meant that as far as I can see, it's not really true that a new user wouldn't have ways of rewarding an answer. Aaand now I see you'd also discussed accepting an answer before, something I missed. Sorry again." CreationDate="2023-09-26T11:27:00.923" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="13885" PostId="7138" Score="2" Text="Though yeah, you have a point in that it might not be a bad idea to allow question authors to also upvote answers on their question, since even if they're not &quot;general experts&quot; on the whole wider subject (which rep tries to measure), they likely are somewhat knowledgeable on the subject they asked about... Now a different thing is how likely it is that something like that could (would) be implemented, and it'd still be quite a different idea than the one here about letting any new user upvote..." CreationDate="2023-09-26T11:38:13.683" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="13886" PostId="7141" Score="0" Text="I like the idea behind &quot;Provide two different vote values&quot; -- I think it nicely solves &quot;both&quot; &quot;problems&quot;. It's my understanding that SE collects something like this today with the [anonymous feedback](https://unix.stackexchange.com/tools/post-feedback/summary?filter=all) tool (10k users only!). I like the additional aspect of showing these new users their own feedback. We could even merge that feedback into standard votes once they reach a certain (&quot;trusted&quot;) threshold." CreationDate="2023-09-28T12:49:03.037" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="13888" PostId="7136" Score="0" Text="Do we have a decision yet?" CreationDate="2023-10-03T18:27:07.467" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="13889" PostId="7136" Score="2" Text="Thanks for the prompt, @roaima! I'll un-feature this, since we got a decent amount of feedback (5 answers as of today). It looks to me like the 4 &quot;no&quot; answers are pretty decisively upvoted while the one &quot;yes&quot; is downvoted." CreationDate="2023-10-03T18:40:55.690" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="13890" PostId="7137" Score="2" Text="1000% agree. Bad idea all the way around." CreationDate="2023-10-07T01:34:46.600" UserId="7453" />
  <row Id="13893" PostId="7143" Score="8" Text="Not sure about *poor attitude*, more a misunderstanding of the policies on your behalf. This is a Q&amp;A site, not a discussion forum. Have you considered finding a suitable subreddit for instance?" CreationDate="2023-10-08T00:59:18.073" UserId="24437" />
  <row Id="13894" PostId="7143" Score="7" Text="What Stack Exchange userid did you use to ask this question? I see no questions associated with your current ID. However, this is a Q&amp;A site, not a discussion forum, so attempts to have a discussion will get shut down." CreationDate="2023-10-08T02:49:11.297" UserId="11135" />
  <row Id="13898" PostId="7143" Score="4" Text="&quot;Dictator&quot; is a term used for politicians. It doesn't include site admins or house owners etc." CreationDate="2023-10-08T08:43:59.590" UserId="422571" />
  <row Id="13904" PostId="7145" Score="2" Text="And community moderators such as @terdon and yourself are [democratically elected](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/election)." CreationDate="2023-10-08T12:11:03.033" UserId="22565" />
  <row Id="13913" PostId="7138" Score="0" Text="@ilkkachu If anything, the &quot;reputation&quot; is a function of &quot;time on the site&quot; and &quot;contribution to the site&quot;. I would argue that a master on a particular subject, who created an account _today_, should not be able to vote until they have proved that they know what the point of the site is, how it works, and has made positive contributions to it. Getting the necessary reputation should not be too difficult for them to do. I don't think new users should be able to up/downvote answers to their questions until they have a degree of contribution to the site." CreationDate="2023-10-10T08:25:44.957" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="13920" PostId="7149" Score="0" Text="I don't see any issue with posting essentially the same question, but with a limited scope. For example, about detecting quoted strings containing a backslash followed by a certain set of characters, or finding strings occurring between paired slashes, or any other specific description of how regular expressions usually occur in a specific type of document." CreationDate="2023-10-21T14:04:10.563" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="13921" PostId="7150" Score="0" Text="It is clear that they are asking for an expression to match regular expressions. It's too broad as they don't specify in what context the expressions the want to match occurs in. It's too broad rather than unclear. Well, I could possibly agree that this is unclarity too, depending on interpretation, but it has to do with the scope of the question rather than understanding the question. The edit that you reverted did not address the scope, so that revert was all good IMHO." CreationDate="2023-10-21T14:20:03.733" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="13922" PostId="7150" Score="0" Text="@Kusalananda on that, where you and I disagree is that to me, OP wants an expression to match _something_. They have some idea of what that something is, and they think that their idea of that something matches exactly what they call regular expressions. But they and the meta-OP here haven't defined that exactly. It might be that their definition is 'any string that doesn't cause PHP's regex engine to complain'. It might be that it is instead 'any string that describes a possible DFA or NFA using the notation in a given book'. Without that definition, it is not clear what they want to match." CreationDate="2023-10-21T14:27:20.453" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="13923" PostId="7150" Score="1" Text="Well &quot;I want to find files with ANY regex patterns&quot; is clear, but too broad (to generate any useful answer other than your `.*` pattern, or indeed `test -f filename`). But, having said that, I'm agreeing with you that it's _unclear_ what it is they actually want, since they are electing to not show any real input that they want to perform the search in. I'm just echoing what your comment says: They probably have a real issue, but they are unable to present it in a way that would generate useful replies." CreationDate="2023-10-21T14:36:54.210" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="13924" PostId="7150" Score="1" Text="(cont.) Whether it's unclear or too broad is not really important; the question should be closed until it is improved upon by the original user." CreationDate="2023-10-21T14:37:04.120" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="13927" PostId="7150" Score="0" Text="@muru, what you have just presented so far, are all part of the answer itself. Therefore, they should be presented in an answer, instead of saying &quot;question is not clear&quot;. being broad is not the same thing as being unclear. and going back to your first comment on that post, you could ask the OP about this broadness but you chose to make a cryptic know-it-all comment." CreationDate="2023-10-24T12:25:11.627" UserId="525602" />
  <row Id="13928" PostId="7150" Score="0" Text="@YılmazDurmaz you can choose to interpret it that way. I disagree. I'd rather have a question with a useful answer than &quot;here's this otherwise useless thing which technically fits your question.&quot;" CreationDate="2023-10-24T12:34:29.290" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="13929" PostId="7150" Score="0" Text="@Kusalananda, thanks, &quot;question is already clear but broad&quot;. I agree if we can hear from the OP of that question. but a question being &quot;too broad&quot; can always be solved with an exemplary comment or multi-purpose answers. no comment on the post to that, and no answer towards that was given because it is closed." CreationDate="2023-10-24T12:35:27.840" UserId="525602" />
  <row Id="13932" PostId="7150" Score="1" Text="@YılmazDurmaz In this case, it's only the original user that could salvage the question. Posting multi-purpose answers would not work well for the same reasons we don't think answers to open-ended questions or questions soliciting opinions are very useful. They tend to turn into dump grounds for answers whose only common denominator is that they circle vaguely around the same keywords." CreationDate="2023-10-24T12:46:19.953" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="13933" PostId="7150" Score="1" Text="@YılmazDurmaz As I said in an earlier comment, if you have a _similar_ question but with a more specific context, including examples of real input and expected outputs, which isn't answered with `.*` (which matches anything and the empty string, because everything and the empty string are all valid regular expression), then, by all means, post that question." CreationDate="2023-10-24T12:48:41.817" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="13936" PostId="7150" Score="0" Text="@Kusalananda do you have the right to remove comments? then, can you please remove muru 's and my comments in it and add either add your comment about how to make the question clearer, or give a link here so he may see what to do. wouldn't this be more acceptable solution at the moment?" CreationDate="2023-10-24T13:02:49.823" UserId="525602" />
  <row Id="13940" PostId="7150" Score="4" Text="@Kusalananda, &quot;_It is clear that they are asking for an expression to match regular expressions_&quot; - that wasn't clear to me at all. It's one possible interpretation of the question, which I understood to mean that the OP wanted to identify the set of files containing anything that could be construed as an RE. Since literal text can be an RE that set would be the set of all files and therefore the question doesn't make sense as asked. Ultimately, the question is (correctly, IMO) closed as unclear, but even here it seems there are several ways of looking at the question meaning" CreationDate="2023-10-26T13:02:55.593" UserId="100397" />
  <row Id="13941" PostId="7150" Score="1" Text="@ChrisDavies Sorry, yes, I should have formulated that as &quot;wants to find files that contains regular expressions&quot;, which to me is the same thing as what I said (I expressed this as `test -f filename` earlier, which is an expression of sorts). I believe that we're basically all repeating each other over and over again." CreationDate="2023-10-26T14:22:50.953" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="13942" PostId="7151" Score="0" Text="Note that _a lot of people out there_ seem to think that StackOverflow is the only StackExchange site. We even have users here on U&amp;L that calls _this_ site &quot;StackOverflow&quot;.  What I'm saying is that the text you point to may not actually have received much thought.  We cater for questions regarding the use and administration of _any_ Unix system (with the usual exceptions around the applications running on top of macOS and other Apple OSes, which the askdifferent site cares more about)" CreationDate="2023-10-27T18:14:19.653" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="13943" PostId="7151" Score="0" Text="Note that this site, U&amp;L, is not SO, and it is also not the NixOS community, so it seems as if asking _here_ about issues relating to SO and the NixOS community is not really reaching the right people.  If you want to know about the moderation policies of SO, ask at SO. If you want to change a web page authored by the NixOS people, reach them in a more direct manner." CreationDate="2023-10-28T12:48:43.493" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="13944" PostId="7156" Score="0" Text="Since this is not a discussion forum, but a questions and answers site, I changed &quot;posts started by me&quot; to &quot;questions from me&quot; in the text.  If this misrepresents what you intended with your Meta question, then please clarify it." CreationDate="2023-11-05T06:29:22.753" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="13945" PostId="7157" Score="4" Text="`user:me` also works, no need to find the right user ID number." CreationDate="2023-11-05T06:31:04.743" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="13946" PostId="7159" Score="0" Text="Yes, I am talking about the &quot;featured site&quot; in the sidebar of https://stackexchange.com/." CreationDate="2023-11-07T17:07:59.810" UserId="516227" />
  <row Id="13947" PostId="7159" Score="3" Text="Oh. I didn't even know that existed, @ArunabhBhattacharya, I only found it because you mentioned it. It really doesn't mean anything at all. It doesn't make any difference to the site, there's nothing special about that day." CreationDate="2023-11-07T17:10:34.580" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="13948" PostId="7160" Score="0" Text="&quot;Could it revolutionize system administration/other work?&quot; So far all we've seen is that it can make up bullshit. Aside, there's actually been a *fight* about this between moderators of Stackoverflow and other stackexchange sites. We power-users won: We're allowed to close bullshit on grounds of it being AI-confabulated alone, because checking the texts that AI generates takes more work than the AI has saved anyone. Sadly, that work has to be done by humans, not machines. So, here's your answer. You might *really* want to read up on StackExchange's official stance on all this;" CreationDate="2023-11-09T16:13:51.700" UserId="106650" />
  <row Id="13949" PostId="7160" Score="0" Text="it's really already been discussed to exhaustion. And it's been demonstrated *at scale* (namely, through hundreds if not thousands of accounts trying to farm reputation on Stackoverflow.com and other Stackexchange sites) that at this point in time, and for the foreseeable future, as long as we don't leave the by-design-stupid-but-eloquent LLMs behind, they will not contribute a net positive to knowledge bases." CreationDate="2023-11-09T16:14:45.563" UserId="106650" />
  <row Id="13950" PostId="7160" Score="0" Text="... *and after understanding the questions* -- but this is a blocker.  Current AI bots don't understand anything, they match patterns.  When they can understand the questions (and answers), then your question will be a viable one.  Until then, it isn't viable IMO." CreationDate="2023-11-10T06:02:42.583" UserId="531636" />
  <row Id="13952" PostId="7163" Score="0" Text="Interesting link from that page. Eight users listed with 1M+ reputation - although none are on U&amp;L." CreationDate="2023-11-16T20:28:25.240" UserId="21334" />
  <row Id="13953" PostId="7166" Score="0" Text="Fair enough. Thanks to @ter^H^H^H^H… the author of this answer… ;-)" CreationDate="2023-11-17T14:06:04.660" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="13954" PostId="7164" Score="0" Text="Thanks. I don't know whether I am more happy or sad" CreationDate="2023-11-19T22:50:53.177" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="13955" PostId="7167" Score="0" Text="Do you mean *hiding communities* as it is possible under your profile &gt; settings &gt; SITE SETTINGS &gt; Hide communities ?" CreationDate="2023-11-19T23:08:45.593" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="13956" PostId="7167" Score="0" Text="I meant cross-site activities under users' network profiles" CreationDate="2023-11-19T23:09:53.067" UserId="674" />
  <row Id="13957" PostId="7163" Score="0" Text="Only SO, and somehow, TeX.SE, have the levels of traffic required for users to get enough upvotes and bonuses to hit a million points. On the rest of SE, Unix.SE does quite well, and I think Gilles is the second-highest-ranked participant anywhere outside of SO; but at current rates it will still take four or five years to reach a million." CreationDate="2023-11-20T11:22:36.383" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="13958" PostId="7169" Score="1" Text="This feels like a question for meta.stackexchange.com .. or Duck Duck Go. Also, just because a website is using http doesn't automatically mean anything bad is going on. And if you visited the link you'd see you quickly get sent to https." CreationDate="2023-11-24T22:57:40.420" UserId="40482" />
  <row Id="13959" PostId="7169" Score="0" Text="Sorry  I'm just not at a competency to not worry or worry about it yet, just thought it was a little odd. I didn't even know that duckduckgo and presumably all search engines have a stack exchange site but ok that's pretty funny" CreationDate="2023-11-24T23:22:45.783" UserId="336683" />
  <row Id="13960" PostId="7169" Score="0" Text="and also that comment could be the final touch in an elaborate plot to trick me into clicking" CreationDate="2023-11-24T23:31:33.123" UserId="336683" />
  <row Id="13961" PostId="7169" Score="0" Text="Virtually every site that has been signed by a certificate authority or CA redirects http on port 80 to https on port 443. It is highly unlikely that there is any malicious intent going on. If there were then something that blatant would have been found and removed long ago." CreationDate="2023-11-25T00:24:16.640" UserId="270732" />
  <row Id="13962" PostId="7169" Score="1" Text="@bxm « if you visited the link you'd see you quickly get sent to https » ... but it's far too late. OP fears for their security and they mention MITM. With DNS spoofing, they may be redirected to another IP that wouldn't do https. Even without DNS spoofing, the first HTTP request (before being redirected to HTTPS) is enough to steal cookies with some sites (not with stackexchange I bet)" CreationDate="2023-11-25T00:24:36.777" UserId="203203" />
  <row Id="13963" PostId="7169" Score="2" Text="@AdamLedger I can reproduce this. This is a bug on DuckDuckGo. (BTW congrats for your vigilance, I wouldn't have paid attention to this, security-wise)" CreationDate="2023-11-25T00:26:38.980" UserId="203203" />
  <row Id="13964" PostId="7169" Score="0" Text="sure i mean nothing of any real significance is on my systems at this point so its going to be a disappointing day when they find ive just been mucking around with arduino trying to build a pigeon location tracking device lol but yeah they are both working perfectly fine but i get your point about http and https i mean i only just changed the mirrors in my repository from http to https this week so yeah lol" CreationDate="2023-11-25T00:47:34.340" UserId="336683" />
  <row Id="13965" PostId="7169" Score="1" Text="@xhienne iirc SE websites have HSTS preloading done so browsers should switch to HTTPS without having to go to the HTTP site and getting a redirect." CreationDate="2023-11-25T00:57:40.980" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="13966" PostId="7169" Score="1" Text="I’m voting to close this question because this seems to be a problem with DDG and nothing to do with Unix or Linux" CreationDate="2023-11-25T00:58:31.860" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="13967" PostId="7169" Score="0" Text="Sure ok if it isn't something that is related to the stack exchange domain by all means I've just noticed it always occurs for stack overflow or unix SE, but that might just be because everything i search is related to bash scripts and linux commands" CreationDate="2023-11-25T01:20:07.007" UserId="336683" />
  <row Id="13968" PostId="7169" Score="0" Text="the thing that caught my attention is that it wasnt always doing it, one day it just started doing it and sometimes it stops, and it was that behavior that lead me down the javascript is malware trying to gas light me rabbit hole" CreationDate="2023-11-25T01:35:47.813" UserId="336683" />
  <row Id="13969" PostId="7169" Score="0" Text="Again, I am running Debian Bullseye, so if its not related to Linux at all it seems impossible that i would be writing this comment on a computer with a linux OS" CreationDate="2023-11-25T02:52:46.333" UserId="336683" />
  <row Id="13970" PostId="7169" Score="0" Text="Also i haven't even said what browser I am using, and I really don't see how you can be sure the source of the fault is the search engine" CreationDate="2023-11-25T02:56:13.393" UserId="336683" />
  <row Id="13971" PostId="7169" Score="0" Text="@muru: no, Stack sites are NOT on the preload list, though they do redirect and (then) serve the HSTS header (with max-age=180days as is very common)." CreationDate="2023-11-25T04:12:40.403" UserId="59699" />
  <row Id="13972" PostId="7169" Score="0" Text="@dave_thompson_085 hmm I was sure I saw some Meta SE announcement to that effect years ago, ... Ah well. Anyway Adam since xhienne has reproduced this, without knowing your browser, doesn't seem like a browser problem, now, does it?" CreationDate="2023-11-25T06:18:46.343" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="13973" PostId="7169" Score="0" Text="maybe but well if I go into my browsers settings set a strict https flag its not really of any concern is it really, it just clashes with how i thought computers work, because i am seeing a http and https link for the exact same page, in the same window at the same time, and then you guys started to make me pez talking about if u r preloaded or not and it having a use by date and that disturbed me more" CreationDate="2023-11-25T06:59:10.353" UserId="336683" />
  <row Id="13974" PostId="7169" Score="0" Text="I cant say until ive started working in more than one browser I don't know until firefox has the all clear, i have to use deduction here i am i am definitely not preloaded in this context" CreationDate="2023-11-25T07:19:25.617" UserId="336683" />
  <row Id="13975" PostId="7169" Score="0" Text="if its tor and the second browser that im working in is firefox the total number of browsers im working with is definitely &gt; 1 yes?" CreationDate="2023-11-25T07:21:09.810" UserId="336683" />
  <row Id="13976" PostId="7169" Score="0" Text="because sometimes when i hover over tor in the desktop the appearing info window says firefox and i just feel like its making fun of me or trying to gas light me" CreationDate="2023-11-25T07:22:49.650" UserId="336683" />
  <row Id="13977" PostId="7169" Score="2" Text="FWIW, it doesn't seem to be limited to stackexchange, a DDG search of `define hubris` brings a &quot;knowledge panel&quot; with a HTTP link to `perldoc.perl.org` (which itself for me and with curl UA redirects to HTTPS with HSTS). Whether that's a bug or intentional is a question for DDG. It could be that they prefer giving HTTP links as it still works in regions where HTTPS is blocked. Other questions we could ask them is how they choose the contents of those &quot;info boxes&quot;/&quot;knowledge panels&quot;, in particular for the SE ones." CreationDate="2023-11-25T10:30:40.400" UserId="22565" />
  <row Id="13978" PostId="7169" Score="0" Text="Sure thanks I guess the only consideration im asking for here is the fact that i am totally restricted deductive reasoning, its the only trick ive got in my hat to be honest i can only promise i can maybe keep up with so many layers of abstraction  at some point in the next ~ 40 years and i realise thats a depressing note to finish on, but its brutally honest and i prefer this" CreationDate="2023-11-25T12:08:46.670" UserId="336683" />
  <row Id="13979" PostId="7169" Score="0" Text="I’m voting to close this question because it is about the DDG page, not Unix and Linux SE" CreationDate="2023-11-25T12:30:38.977" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="13980" PostId="7170" Score="1" Text="Interesting; I'm not familiar with the details of the association bonus, but I wonder if it kept your `some_email_address` as the primary identity and thought it should award the association bonus, but a later section of that code realized you were already above 100? We'd have to ask someone on staff to look into your particular case further, I think." CreationDate="2023-11-29T13:56:41.393" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="13981" PostId="7172" Score="0" Text="Mainly because that's the way it used to be, and I framed it as a temporary change to combat a temporary problem. If the amount of trouble caused by unregistered accounts gets to be annoying again, we can always turn this flag back on." CreationDate="2023-11-29T14:38:12.750" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="13982" PostId="7172" Score="1" Text="@JeffSchaller I think muru is asking if there was a benefit in the change, in requiring registration. Not if there's a benefit in reversing it. He is pointing out that since we have required registration, more users have made multiple accounts to answer/edit their own posts created y an unregistered account. And Ask Ubuntu, which also requires registration, gets several AI posts despite this. So it looks like there's no real benefit to requiring registration. Right, muru?" CreationDate="2023-11-29T16:00:49.663" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="13983" PostId="7171" Score="6" Text="I'd personally be in favour of **keeping** the restriction, as a way of reducing the noise. It's a hassle when users who never register start to provide edits to their questions in _answers_, and when multiple identically named (but different) accounts pop up, with users wondering why they can't edit things they've written. It also makes it more probable that answers are actually _accepted_ by someone." CreationDate="2023-11-29T16:18:29.153" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="13984" PostId="7172" Score="2" Text="@terdon no, the opposite. Before we required registration, it was a fairly regular occurrence that somebody would post with an unregistered account, wish to edit it and discover they couldn't because they lost their cookie and make _another_ account to do so (sometimes multiple times). I don't think that has happened for a while. And while AU _still_ gets a few posts here and there, but I shudder to think what would happen if we let the floodgates open." CreationDate="2023-11-29T19:51:56.820" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="13985" PostId="7172" Score="4" Text="My question is: what's the benefit in further lowering the already (IMO) minimal barrier to making posts? Doing so just because that's the way things used to be doesn't make sense." CreationDate="2023-11-29T19:53:15.170" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="13986" PostId="7171" Score="5" Text="I will second the opinion of keeping the restriction. Allowing unregistered accounts to post questions encourages new users to ask questions but never check on the answers and can let users have multiple accounts asking the same or similar questions repeatedly." CreationDate="2023-11-29T21:14:11.497" UserId="21334" />
  <row Id="13987" PostId="7171" Score="5" Text="I would then second @doneal24 adding some additional disgrace : Not only unregistered users might never check on the answers but also they won't interact with our comments asking for extra details." CreationDate="2023-11-30T00:14:17.760" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="13988" PostId="7172" Score="0" Text="@muru I wouldn't have got started with Stack Exchange if I couldn't contribute, unregistered, on Stack Overflow. The people in this discussion are, by selection, not going to be the people who'd take advantage of unregistered participation." CreationDate="2023-11-30T23:42:35.707" UserId="129690" />
  <row Id="13989" PostId="7172" Score="1" Text="@wizzwizz4 that was over 8 years ago. The internet of today is a different place." CreationDate="2023-12-01T00:25:35.517" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="13990" PostId="7172" Score="0" Text="Requiring registration is not a low barrier, it is a very, very high one. It is usually enough for me to refuse to use a service, for example. So I wouldn't call it minimal at all. It is already hard enough for new users to figure out our system and participate, why make it even harder?" CreationDate="2023-12-01T13:00:04.060" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="13991" PostId="7172" Score="1" Text="@terdon really? Throwaway emails are extremely easy to make these days, Firefox even comes with a service for doing so. Password generators and managers are built-in to most browsers as well. So you can register without revealing any real personal information, without having to remember anything and possibly with just a few clicks." CreationDate="2023-12-01T13:20:08.953" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="13992" PostId="7172" Score="0" Text="Yes, really. If I don't want to keep participating and don't really need it, I will refuse to use it. It is more time than I'm willing to spend. Given how the network is dying, I figure any barrier to asking is a bad thing." CreationDate="2023-12-01T13:27:28.843" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="13993" PostId="7172" Score="2" Text="@terdon ah, but I don't really want to welcome people who post once and never come back to respond to comments for clarification, and as far as I can tell, people who do try to update their posts are more often confused by this &quot;unregistered account&quot; business than not (see aforementioned multiple accounts problem)." CreationDate="2023-12-01T13:31:36.323" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="13994" PostId="7172" Score="0" Text="Well, actually, even those questions are useful: when they really do require more details, we can close, but others are OK and can still help future visitors." CreationDate="2023-12-01T13:39:43.810" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="13995" PostId="7172" Score="0" Text="@terdon to make it easier for you and Jeff, why not provide us some numbers? How many users over the past N years (say N=2) posted a first question or answer, and came back and did something with post (edit, comment, accept anything), how many of those were unregistered, and how many over the past 6 months did that?" CreationDate="2023-12-01T13:39:53.963" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="13996" PostId="7172" Score="0" Text="Hmm, getting numbers is always good, but why would it matter whether the OP has interacted? The pertinent question is how many of those were good but even that isn't really what bothers me personally. The main issue for me is that the barrier to entry to SE is very high. We have all these weird rules and regulations, so making it even harder to ask by requiring registration seems like it only has downsides. Indeed, you yourself pointed out that AU, which does require it, you still see AI problems so it doesn't seem to matter." CreationDate="2023-12-01T14:04:51.000" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="13997" PostId="7172" Score="0" Text="@terdon if those were good, then they probably would have helped someone else, and in such cases, if the question didn't exist in the first place, that someone else may well post it instead, so it wouldn't matter. It would just be delayed instead. As for seeing AI problems, I really didn't expect such a lame argument from you, terdon. You are far too smart to go about equating occasional spam that got past basic controls with bot-driven spam flood that accompanies unrestricted posting. Seeing only an occasional drop of water from a taped-up leaky pipe doesn't justify ripping away the tape." CreationDate="2023-12-01T14:15:46.697" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="13998" PostId="7172" Score="0" Text="If we really want to argue using false equivalences, then why not remove the policy banning AI posts instead? That will definitely do far more to drive up traffic that we're apparently so desperate for than just allowing unregistered posts. Some of those posts may even be high quality." CreationDate="2023-12-01T14:37:26.747" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="13999" PostId="7172" Score="0" Text="Woah. You are the one who wrote &quot;*I still see and flag AI-generated posts once or twice a week*&quot;, which I assumed you only mentioned because it demonstrates that blocking unregistered users doesn't block this particular problem. I have no idea what false equivalency you are referring to. Anyway, let's drop this, we both made our points and you ave some perfectly valid ones I just don't personally find them convincing enough. Others might, so let's see." CreationDate="2023-12-01T15:13:21.493" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="14000" PostId="7172" Score="0" Text="Oh I see. My bad: when I wrote &quot;*you still see AI problems so it doesn't seem to matter.*&quot;, I should have written &quot;matter that much&quot; or something. I didn't mean to imply that just because you still see some that means that the whole thing is useless. Only that because you see some, registration isn't a perfect solution so I still think the downsides outweigh the upsides." CreationDate="2023-12-01T15:16:55.843" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="14001" PostId="7172" Score="1" Text="@muru I don't have a horse in this race, so my best reply is still &quot;because that's how it used to be -- and presumably is the SE default for a reason&quot;. I'm posting here simply because my previous post described it as a *temporary* change, and [there was some concern](https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/7087/temporary-blockade-on-unregistered-participation#comment13833_7087) about a timeline. Separately, please see my edit to make sure I've captured your answer's intention correctly." CreationDate="2023-12-01T17:04:23.483" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="14002" PostId="7172" Score="0" Text="@JeffSchaller noted, thanks! Yes, your edit is spot on." CreationDate="2023-12-02T10:46:43.780" UserId="70524" />
  <row Id="14003" PostId="7177" Score="0" Text="Thanks. I was going to delete in AU and post here yesterday, but then I though *&quot;I'm not that sure if it's OK&quot;* given that there's no permanent deletion. I thought of the flagging for migration but yay, as you mention it could be too much &quot;bureaucracy&quot;. The fact that I received no feedback *at all* in AU and that I need to make the thing work ASAP makes me do the moving. It's been a while since a interact in AU and frankly my intuition tells me that I won't get any help there, at least with my present issue." CreationDate="2023-12-11T14:04:10.230" UserId="338177" />
  <row Id="14004" PostId="7176" Score="0" Text="Tangentially, another option (in case you weren't aware), you could add a bounty to the AU question to gain visibility for it." CreationDate="2023-12-11T15:12:12.220" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="14005" PostId="7176" Score="1" Text="@JeffSchaller I already deleted in AU and posted here. I have the sensation that I would not get any help there (not that I'm blaming the AU community, as far as I've interacted there, I liked it), even with a bounty." CreationDate="2023-12-11T15:20:26.543" UserId="338177" />
  <row Id="14006" PostId="7178" Score="0" Text="Thanks. In this case, my opinion is that the question can be answered as being &quot;impossible at full-scale but possible in subsets&quot;. Yet, the closing without such answer, even as a single sentence in comments, is what I see as injustice. Then came the now-deleted dialog that I called as the grumpiness, and then this post to hear more voices." CreationDate="2023-12-13T00:51:59.610" UserId="525602" />
  <row Id="14007" PostId="7178" Score="1" Text="@YılmazDurmaz yeah a *response* indicating that it's impossible would be been very worthwhile. But a comment would have sufficed. On the matter of answer or not and close or not... there is a point that took me a long time to appreciate: closing is deliberately taking a question out of the mainline queue reducing readership to improve signal to noise ratio of the remaining questions. As a general rule, it's not good to leave unanswerable questions open racking up views. Personally I may have voted to close but with a descriptive comment, I feel &quot;unclear&quot; is an overused reason." CreationDate="2023-12-13T02:45:54.267" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="15006" PostId="7179" Score="0" Text="Forget the downvotes. No need to be expert to downvote and nobody can tell who downvoted. I personally did not take part in this thread but had seen it and had judged it far too broad to attempt an answer. Far too broad, I mean… like if I ask you who you are, this would be a very clear and unique question. But… certainly far too broad to be answered in a couple of lines, wouldn't it ? BTW, whoever you are… whatever your credit… welcome here :-)" CreationDate="2023-12-18T23:17:01.007" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="15007" PostId="7179" Score="0" Text="Thanks MC. I was trying to understand how NUMA awareness is important for user mode driver. It would be good for the site to ask for a reason why someone is not answering but downvoting. Anyway thats a feature ask i guess :D" CreationDate="2023-12-19T00:21:44.760" UserId="596490" />
  <row Id="15012" PostId="7182" Score="1" Text="Just a quick (side?) note: searching for non-existent tags seems to yield the same result: [foobar search](https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/windows-subsystem-for-linux+foobar) gives &quot;There are no questions tagged foobar&quot;, similar to the Q's &quot;incorrect&quot; search for [... cd](https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/windows-subsystem-for-linux+cd) saying &quot;There are no questions tagged cd&quot;, so that could be a hint that the `[cd]` portion was bogus." CreationDate="2023-12-21T18:34:33.613" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="15013" PostId="7171" Score="0" Text="Given the conflicting two answers so far, I'll leave this open through the end of the year to see if there's any other feedback or perspectives." CreationDate="2023-12-21T18:35:33.287" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="15014" PostId="7182" Score="3" Text="@JeffSchaller Ah, I hadn't noticed that! IMHO, it's a pretty subtle but valuable clue. Maybe if it stood out more it would solve this problem. For example, coloring the message in red or yellow, and/or coloring the text of the invalid tag in red or yellow." CreationDate="2023-12-21T21:43:48.400" UserId="101311" />
  <row Id="15017" PostId="7183" Score="0" Text="Your wiseness is definitely of the same level than your contributions on this site. Thank you. I was absurdly trying to help the questions' author and in the same time tidy-up Augeas' stables. These tasks cannot obviously be undertaken concurrently and I'll go with you considering helping questions' authors is the main purpose. Not to say that cheating (as, in my personal case it would have been had I upvoted the duplicated's answer) a broken system is of no help at all. And BTW : Merry Christmas to you Stephen." CreationDate="2023-12-24T17:18:28.367" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="15018" PostId="7183" Score="0" Text="Thank you, merry Christmas to you too!" CreationDate="2023-12-24T20:57:00.733" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="15021" PostId="7184" Score="0" Text="I like the idea of a title; thank you! I'm not very experienced in setting up Meta polls like this, so it's an adventure every time!" CreationDate="2024-01-05T21:11:02.293" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="15022" PostId="7184" Score="0" Text="The early/initial voting on these answers surprises me a bit, since the consensus on the previous genAI post seemed to allow for &quot;answers OK with citation&quot;, but maybe the voters there were in favor of the &quot;banned entirely&quot; portion?" CreationDate="2024-01-05T21:13:18.483" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="15025" PostId="7185" Score="0" Text="Pedantically, it's answers generated by Large Language Models. Practically, nobody knows the distinction." CreationDate="2024-01-06T19:16:28.483" UserId="65620" />
  <row Id="15026" PostId="7187" Score="2" Text="This sounds like a good plan." CreationDate="2024-01-08T19:40:32.640" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="15027" PostId="7184" Score="0" Text="If we're talking about banners, I think it should go without saying that any banner should reflect the site policy, and the question should be between adding a banner and not adding a banner. The two different phrasings shown here would represent different policies, and if we're discussing what the policy should be, then that should be clear from the post. Now the title asks &quot;do we want to enable a banner&quot;, but the text effectively means this is a policy discussion. Not that the result appears to be changing, but in any case." CreationDate="2024-01-09T10:12:25.897" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="15028" PostId="7185" Score="0" Text="@user253751 Pedantically, the policy covers all AI generated answers. Although LLMs are the current thorny problem that the policy aims to combat.  If other AI technologies become sufficiently advanced to generate answers then they remain banned until such time as the community feels specific technologies are acceptable. The primary issue with AI generated content is volume, and that will be the case for any AI for the foreseeable future." CreationDate="2024-01-09T11:38:02.393" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="15029" PostId="7187" Score="0" Text="Seems fine. I wonder if there would be a value in distinguishing spell / grammer assistants ([Grammerly](https://www.grammarly.com/)?) from AI generated.  Or do we just leave that to people's common sense?" CreationDate="2024-01-09T11:47:21.317" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="15030" PostId="7187" Score="3" Text="I could squint and say that a grammar tool did not *generate* the answer, but rather *corrected* the author's text." CreationDate="2024-01-09T11:58:40.197" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="15031" PostId="7185" Score="0" Text="@PhilipCouling I think a large language model is by definition the only kind of model that can generate language.  If someone somehow answers a question by the means of k-means clustering, it should be allowed." CreationDate="2024-01-10T04:25:23.003" UserId="65620" />
  <row Id="15033" PostId="7185" Score="0" Text="@user253751 my degree was in AI. No language generation AI has been around a long time, but it was rubbish by comparison. LLMs are a massive breakthrough, but by no means the definition of language generation. I'll stick with the idea that LLMs are the only kind of model capable of generating answers today. And no, the same problem would still exist for other models. The problem is one of easy volume of content generation. It's hard to see how any new AI would not bring the problem of volume unless that AI was bound to one specific piece of hardware. That's just the nature of software." CreationDate="2024-01-10T10:02:36.000" UserId="20140" />
  <row Id="15034" PostId="7186" Score="0" Text="do I feel some confusion here ? *if* we accept AI generated answer, of course they must be cited. if not, that point is useless." CreationDate="2024-01-12T12:10:53.933" UserId="79818" />
  <row Id="15035" PostId="7186" Score="0" Text="I agree, which is why I made the comment at https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/7184/do-we-want-to-enable-an-ai-generated-content-banner/7186?noredirect=1#comment15022_7184" CreationDate="2024-01-12T12:15:24.027" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="15040" PostId="7189" Score="0" Text="But why use `&lt;br/&gt;` at all? I think that generally, most markdown is disabled if it has another &quot;command&quot; above it, like `---` requiring an empty line in order for it to be rendered as a horizontal line, but is this a problem? If you just leave an empty line instead of the br tag doesn't it work?" CreationDate="2024-01-18T12:32:42.423" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="15041" PostId="7189" Score="1" Text="@terdon, I wouldn't do that myself, I'm just reporting a rendering bug." CreationDate="2024-01-18T12:59:38.497" UserId="22565" />
  <row Id="15042" PostId="7191" Score="0" Text="Would you mind explaining what is this *&quot;Triage&quot; queue* which I cannot see in my review queues dropdown list and does not seem to be listed in last year report ? (https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/6050/2022-a-year-in-moderation)  And BTW, thanks for sharing &amp; happy 2024 to you (and all those who participated actively to these moderation tasks.)" CreationDate="2024-01-25T13:17:50.713" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="15043" PostId="7191" Score="1" Text="@MC68020 Unix.SE doesn’t have a triage queue, you can see it [on SO](https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage)." CreationDate="2024-01-25T14:51:51.983" UserId="86440" />
  <row Id="15044" PostId="7191" Score="1" Text="As Stephen Kit pointed out, @MC68020, there is no triage queue on U&amp;L. In previous years the script would omit rows where all values were 0, and several folks have asked over time to change the script so that the output contained all rows, even if their total was 0 — with the implementation we landed on, there is no straightforwad way to exclude Triage from sites that don't use it, unfortunately." CreationDate="2024-01-25T14:56:09.657" UserId="93139" />
  <row Id="15045" PostId="7193" Score="0" Text="I did flag! I explained *why* I flagged, namely that such behavior can never be acceptable to a community (imagine how that would impress someone with less of a thick skin, maybe even an actually vulnerable person!), but my main worries do revolve around the person behaving that way – that's really not an OK change in state of mind… [for comparison, same person 4 months ago](https://interpersonal.stackexchange.com/a/28464/20658)." CreationDate="2024-01-28T20:59:44.923" UserId="106650" />
  <row Id="15046" PostId="7193" Score="1" Text="@MarcusMüller :  Mybad then. I had not seen the flag colored, indicating that someone had flagged the comment (as I was used to see in other SE_Sites) and inferred that, since you were (kindly) taking care of the obvious offenser wealth you would have wished your comments to remain. After all, that is the principal point of my answer : I trust that kind comments from some known honest &amp; respectful contributor following a personal attack can be much more profitable to the community than the removal of the whole suite of comments." CreationDate="2024-01-28T23:19:57.947" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="15047" PostId="7193" Score="0" Text="you're really flattering me there. I might have been to blunt in the comments I posted (and which are still there)" CreationDate="2024-01-29T00:46:36.907" UserId="106650" />
  <row Id="15050" PostId="7195" Score="0" Text="This is wasting time. Just auto close old threads (questions), which are inactive. Also make sure that they never will push up at the home page." CreationDate="2024-01-29T14:43:49.887" UserId="480743" />
  <row Id="15051" PostId="7196" Score="0" Text="&quot;Newest&quot; is not often the the page of interest. But it's also not of my interest to see 5 year old posts, because some mod has fixed some typos." CreationDate="2024-01-29T14:44:53.633" UserId="480743" />
  <row Id="15052" PostId="7195" Score="1" Text="People who downvote posts for no reason..." CreationDate="2024-01-29T14:54:00.593" UserId="480743" />
  <row Id="15053" PostId="7195" Score="2" Text="it actually tells in the [timeline view](https://unix.stackexchange.com/posts/245829/timeline) why the bot has popped the post: &quot;This question has answers that may be good or bad; the system has marked it active so that they can be reviewed.&quot;. It's done that, oh, maybe 20 times now. If you want to help stop it doing that, vote on the answers there." CreationDate="2024-01-29T14:55:11.830" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="15054" PostId="7195" Score="0" Text="This should stop for posts inactive for more than 2 years. In practice, it's no more point of interest. Maybe make it hidden, but don't push this nonsense to the homepage top." CreationDate="2024-01-29T14:58:22.740" UserId="480743" />
  <row Id="15055" PostId="7195" Score="3" Text="@paladin, I think saying someone downvotes &quot;for no reason&quot; is going a bit far. People often have their reasons, even though they don't state them (and sometimes might think that stating them won't do any good). If I were to guess, someone might downvote this post since it sounds a bit like venting frustration more than a genuine actionable post, and the all caps shouting often doesn't help in making a good impression. And then there's the thing that it doesn't really matter if any of us cares about old posts, SE isn't going to change the way things are, so we get to accept it or walk away..." CreationDate="2024-01-29T14:59:06.943" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="15056" PostId="7195" Score="4" Text="And also, there's the meta custom of using up/downvotes for voicing agreement/disagreement. Not that the _system_ really does anything to facilitate that, but it seems to be some sort of a custom. Shrug." CreationDate="2024-01-29T15:00:14.113" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="15057" PostId="7195" Score="0" Text="Oh so user experiences, which are frustating, using this platform are no concern of interest? People who downvote exactly my post because of that have no idea how to be constructive and should not downvote at all. I don't want to impress anybody. But the current system of pushing old nonsens posts to the top of the home page is just frustating. I just commented a 4 year old post. I invested at least 10 minutes of my life time to help the OP of the post, only to find at the end that this post is 4 year old and that OP has probably no more interest in it at all, as it's outdated." CreationDate="2024-01-29T15:02:27.280" UserId="480743" />
  <row Id="15058" PostId="7195" Score="0" Text="Yes I could be more careful, and always start reading the creation date of the post, but you know what? Who does that?" CreationDate="2024-01-29T15:03:38.580" UserId="480743" />
  <row Id="15059" PostId="7195" Score="0" Text="&quot;And also, there's the meta custom of using up/downvotes for voicing agreement/disagreement. Not that the system really does anything to facilitate that, but it seems to be some sort of a custom. Shrug.&quot; @ilkkachu thanks, I was not familiar about this. And as far as I know, this should not happen, as it was never designed as such. Instead usual polls should be used." CreationDate="2024-01-29T15:07:11.483" UserId="480743" />
  <row Id="15060" PostId="7195" Score="3" Text="Not a custom. That is the entire point of votes on meta sites. If people don't agree with a proposal, they downvote it. I think this would make the sites worse, not better, so I downvoted. Frankly, given the aggressive tone of your post, your saying that others &quot;have no idea how to be constructive&quot; is a bit rich. You're the one who came here with a rude and aggressive attitude. Don't be surprised if that isn't being well received." CreationDate="2024-01-29T15:43:13.493" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="15061" PostId="7196" Score="0" Text="@paladin then don't? Just go to the Questions page (https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions) instead of the home page and you don't need to suffer so. Some of us don't share your feelings though, so you really might want to tone it down." CreationDate="2024-01-29T15:47:13.150" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="15062" PostId="7195" Score="1" Text="@GillesQuénot it's also on topic here, there is no reason to migrate. And it would be a duplicate if we did, and would also just get downvoted to oblivion. At least here, the downvotes don't affect rep." CreationDate="2024-01-29T15:52:03.303" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="15063" PostId="7195" Score="0" Text="Relating https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4834/117549 (and others), but this Q could be a request to change something...?" CreationDate="2024-01-29T15:58:33.997" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="15064" PostId="7197" Score="1" Text="For me this (from psychological point of view) do not work. I spend few times more than hour to write the correct answer to question just to see question is &gt;10 years old. And moreover the OP is no longer member of SE so he/she can't see the answer and (eventually) mark it as accepted. Also I did not get **ANY** upvote for my answers. How do you think the web site will motivate the people to answer? Maybe such questions can be marked with different colour or some sign..." CreationDate="2024-01-29T16:46:36.073" UserId="101265" />
  <row Id="15065" PostId="7197" Score="1" Text="@RomeoNinov I... really disagree, personally. We don't answer for the OP, we answer for all future users. Sure, sometimes nobody votes, and yes, part of what makes answering fun is the votes, but that's not the only reason. Plus, old questions can and do get good answers that end up getting upvoted. In any case, you can see the date of the question right there, where you see the OP's name. If it really makes so much difference, just check the date." CreationDate="2024-01-29T16:48:31.963" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="15066" PostId="7197" Score="0" Text="Check the date is possible, but it add effort and I prefer to concentrate on the question, not on meta info. As site developers make META sites with this odd and ugly colour they for sure can make older than year (for example) questions with some colour mark." CreationDate="2024-01-29T16:52:44.513" UserId="101265" />
  <row Id="15067" PostId="7197" Score="0" Text="@RomeoNinov but that would discourage people from answering them, so it seems counter productive. If you don't want to answer old questions, just don't use the home page and go to `/Questions` instead. I personally never use the home page, actually, even though I don't mind answering old questions." CreationDate="2024-01-29T16:53:58.123" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="15068" PostId="7197" Score="0" Text="This (go to Questions) I do most of the time. But when I visit site via upper right menu it direct me to the main page where some question may catch my attention. You are right, it may decrease the amount of answers (in total) to old questions, but will keep (probably) the amount of good answers. Which is IMHO what SE want. SE do not want answers only, it search for good answers (this is the reason of voting system and tick to accept answer)" CreationDate="2024-01-29T16:57:52.813" UserId="101265" />
  <row Id="15069" PostId="7197" Score="0" Text="Eh, I wish we could remove the tick, to be honest. I think it causes far more harm than good. All it means is that one person happened to prefer the answer, and it causes all sorts of drama with people pushing the OP to accept or complaining if another answer is accepted etc. And I don't see why it would keep the number of good answers. Frankly, I only see downsides to the idea and no benefit whatsoever, but that's my opinion. If you really feel strongly about it, you can suggest the feature, maybe others will agree." CreationDate="2024-01-29T16:59:37.870" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="15070" PostId="7197" Score="0" Text="OK, let me add answer about colour schema and let see :)" CreationDate="2024-01-29T17:01:35.353" UserId="101265" />
  <row Id="15071" PostId="7197" Score="1" Text="Please post a new question instead of an answer, @RomeoNinov. You are suggesting something different and more specific than what the OP here is saying (&quot;close old posts&quot;)." CreationDate="2024-01-29T17:02:53.880" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="15072" PostId="7197" Score="0" Text="Please explain to me how pushing an 8 year old post to the top of the homepage is any helpful. &quot;If you really find it so unpleasant, I fear these might not be the sites for you.&quot;, do you really think I don't care? I'm even trying to improve this site, by showing everybody what's totally wrong at this site. If someone comes to me and says &quot;Bro, but we're doing this all the time.&quot;, I could explain in a clever way why that doesn't matter as argument. Maybe it worked when posts were not older than 4 years, but imagine a world where posts become older than 20 years, you still wanna see these?" CreationDate="2024-01-29T17:10:14.607" UserId="480743" />
  <row Id="15073" PostId="7196" Score="0" Text="The home page should only show posts of interests, and not some 8 year old garbage no one wants to see. Presenting this garbage at the most important page, the home page, daily, to the user base can be seen as insult too, so please excuse my tone." CreationDate="2024-01-29T17:13:36.100" UserId="480743" />
  <row Id="15074" PostId="7197" Score="0" Text="@paladin I have explained. If you want to have a discussion, then come back when you are ready to be civil. I have no desire to deal with anyone who uses the tone you have been using here." CreationDate="2024-01-29T17:17:20.297" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="15075" PostId="7197" Score="0" Text="@terdon, done :) https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/q/7199/101265" CreationDate="2024-01-29T17:18:55.947" UserId="101265" />
  <row Id="15076" PostId="7199" Score="0" Text="Thank you, Romeo. I really hope this will make it." CreationDate="2024-01-29T17:19:48.353" UserId="480743" />
  <row Id="15077" PostId="7199" Score="0" Text="@paladin, let see. The question is for discussion, to be deployed (if accepted) may take a long way :)" CreationDate="2024-01-29T17:21:22.973" UserId="101265" />
  <row Id="15079" PostId="7195" Score="0" Text="How would you distinguish between posts for old EOL Linux distributions and old posts about things that won't ever change, like how quoting works in `bash`?  Would it feel productive to have to rewrite or artificially bump _all_ the still-relevant posts?" CreationDate="2024-01-30T07:58:36.947" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="15080" PostId="7195" Score="0" Text="If a mod is just correcting some typos, the post should not be pushed to top of home page. If the bot find's an inactive post - inactive is a negotiable term, maybe 2 years - it should not push that post to top of home page. 2 easy fixes, which would work wonder... but hey, let's don't improve this site... I guess it's better to see 8 years old Debian posts in 2024... I guess, `&quot;never change a running system&quot;` - how about, `&quot;if it's not being fixed today, it might break tomorrow&quot;`" CreationDate="2024-01-30T11:20:28.917" UserId="480743" />
  <row Id="15081" PostId="7195" Score="0" Text="PS have fun in year 2034" CreationDate="2024-01-30T11:26:22.443" UserId="480743" />
  <row Id="15082" PostId="7200" Score="4" Text="I like the idea from StackOverflow of a _minimal_ reproducible example. Suggest to the author that they reduce the script until the problem goes away, then reintroduce one element. SO's focus on coding seems relevant for a U&amp;L question that is just one big shell script." CreationDate="2024-01-31T19:09:02.923" UserId="117549" />
  <row Id="15083" PostId="7200" Score="2" Text="Ideally, they would never write a script to completion before testing it for the first time. Apart from knowing and using correct syntax, running the script to ensure every little incremental addition to it does what you think it does is often helpful (this in turn means that you _always_ keep the script runnable, without unclosed loops or other unclosed control structures).  But this has to do with the methodology of programming in general than specifically &quot;shell scripting&quot;." CreationDate="2024-01-31T20:42:54.680" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="15084" PostId="7200" Score="0" Text="_Ideally_, it might be useful to have such instructions on what (and why!) to do before posting. But, does it matter what we think is ideal? Do you expect SE would be at all interested in implementing such features? Maybe if you could sell them an AI to do it. (And IMO, some post in meta doesn't help, the people writing those questions won't see it before posting.)" CreationDate="2024-02-02T11:10:55.010" UserId="170373" />
  <row Id="15085" PostId="7200" Score="0" Text="I would use &quot;Needs more focus&quot;. There are many issues in the script. Rework the question such that if focus in a single issue." CreationDate="2024-02-14T19:02:40.803" UserId="41104" />
  <row Id="15086" PostId="7206" Score="0" Text="That makes sense. Thanks for the explanation." CreationDate="2024-03-10T09:43:42.367" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="15087" PostId="7150" Score="1" Text="@ChrisDavies &quot;Since literal text can be an RE that set would be the set of all files...&quot;  Well, strictly speaking this is not true.  There are many possibly strings that would not be valid as regexes, for example unclosed parentheses or square brackets.  But that would be a completely different question, &quot;How can I validate that some text forms a valid regex?&quot;  It seems to me the original question is based on the misconception that regexes themselves have some identifiable pattern such that they could be searched for directly, like searching for &quot;files containing a phone number.&quot;" CreationDate="2024-03-12T22:55:06.990" UserId="135943" />
  <row Id="15088" PostId="7185" Score="3" Text="This banner has now been enabled." CreationDate="2024-03-14T18:43:59.660" UserId="560118" />
  <row Id="15089" PostId="7210" Score="1" Text="&quot;has already addressed the comment&quot;&#xA;But I have no way of seeing what was addressed to see what it was or if it really was addressed.  There's lots to learn from seeing this kind of thing.  So there *is* a reason to for these comments to be visible somewhere, even if they're not in the main body of the Q&amp;A." CreationDate="2024-03-21T02:20:25.163" UserId="42620" />
  <row Id="15090" PostId="7211" Score="1" Text="Thanks, @Kusalananda!  I'm OK with deleting them from the main page.  But they are frequently useful to understand what's really going on underneath, so I would prefer for there to be some forensic way of seeing them (as you showed), just like footnotes don't clutter up the main body of a text, but supply additional, useful information for the reader (hence, the feature-request tag).  This has happened to me many times while reading SO questions/answers.  BTW, seeing *who* has said something is frequently as important as what was said.  Without seeing the deleted comments, that info is lost." CreationDate="2024-03-21T02:27:45.317" UserId="42620" />
  <row Id="15091" PostId="7211" Score="0" Text="@jrw32982 See also &quot;When should comments be deleted?&quot; in the answer to the following Meta question on the main StackExchange site: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/19756/how-do-comments-work  (and the help text about the comment privilege https://unix.stackexchange.com/help/privileges/comment)" CreationDate="2024-03-21T07:54:00.470" UserId="116858" />
  <row Id="15092" PostId="7211" Score="0" Text="@jrw32982 comments are second class citizens here. The ideal situation is that comments are _only_ posted when requesting clarifications of a question or answer, and then the question or answer is edited to address whatever was raised in the comment, and then the comment is deleted. If something is worth keeping, then it should be edited into the post, not kept in a comment." CreationDate="2024-03-21T10:47:33.820" UserId="22222" />
  <row Id="15093" PostId="7211" Score="1" Text="I guess it boils down to a disconnect between the way I *would like* to use comments and the actual intended use of comments.  I find them useful and read a *lot* of them, not infrequently they have even more useful information than the answer itself, or in conjunction with the actual answer." CreationDate="2024-03-21T13:54:56.203" UserId="42620" />
  <row Id="15094" PostId="7210" Score="0" Text="I definitely agree that *&quot;There's no reason for these comments to remain visible** **as comments** but there are reasons for my comment to remain visible *&quot;somewhere&quot;* (See my answer). I realize (too late) that *somewhere* should have been *elsewhere* ;-) My bad." CreationDate="2024-03-22T00:30:33.543" UserId="426539" />
  <row Id="15095" PostId="6003" Score="0" Text="Any update to allow tracking of comments would be viewed favorably by me!  I think comments are useful (meta?)data and should be kept somewhere findable." CreationDate="2024-03-22T04:22:31.567" UserId="42620" />
  <row Id="15096" PostId="7212" Score="0" Text="&quot;comments help me to understand and think by myself&quot; - agreed.  History is also useful as long as it doesn't get in the way of succinct, to-the-point answers.  I'd be in favor of keeping all comments somewhere findable, along with all changes to question/answer wording, etc." CreationDate="2024-03-22T04:25:23.207" UserId="42620" />
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