Re: Freezing localtimestamp and other time function on some value - Mailing list pgsql-general

On 12.04.2016 20:50, Tom Lane wrote:
> Alex Ignatov <[email protected]> writes:
>> You always should keep in mind that your application may run in test
>> mode (future/past time) and maintain this code. While with my proposal
>> you  can always use some time function(now or localtimestamp or
>> whatever)  which you can  freeze at anytime on DB level, not operation
>> system(using some 3rd libs) or application(using wrappers and other hacks).
> We're not really in the business of being Oracle --- which in this
> particular context means not trying to duplicate tens of thousands of
> bizarre little features with very narrow use-cases.  If there's a
> reasonable way for users to provide corner-case functionality for
> themselves (and I'd say a wrapper function is a perfectly reasonable
> way for this) then we don't really want to embed it in Postgres.
>
> This particular feature seems like a seriously-poorly-thought-out
> one, too.  Time stops advancing across the whole DB?  Really?
>
> 1. That would break all manner of stuff, for example the timestamps
> in automatically-taken dumps, if you've got background jobs running
> pg_dump.  Just about everything except the session running the test
> case would be unhappy, AFAICS.
>
> 2. Would this extend to, say, preventing autovacuum from running?
> Or changing the timestamps of messages in the postmaster log, or
> timestamps appearing in places like pg_stat_activity?  Or causing
> pg_sleep() to wait forever, because time isn't passing?  If your
> answer is "yes" across the board, that makes problem #1 an order
> of magnitude worse, while if you want to be selective then you
> have a bunch of nitty-gritty (and rather arbitrary) decisions to
> make about what's frozen and what's not.  And you've weakened the
> argument that your test is actually valid, since potentially the
> app would see some of the non-frozen values and misbehave.
>
> 3. While I can see the point of wanting to, say, test weekend behavior
> on a weekday, I do not see how a value of now() that doesn't advance
> between transactions would represent a realistic test environment for
> an app with time-dependent behavior.  As an example, you might
> accidentally write code that expects two successive transactions to
> see identical values of now(), and such a testbed wouldn't detect
> the problem.
>
>             regards, tom lane
1. background jobs in pg?? cron you mean or  may be  EnterpriseDB vesion?
2. All i need is to freeze some(or may be one ) function for example
now() or smth else =). I dont want to freeze time for the whole
postmaster process!
3. In multithreaded applications it is possible that two transactions
from different sessions  started at the same time and to resolve this
issue some sort of unique id(say serial) is used while inserting some
value in some table ;)

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